"my vocal chords ache when I listen to this ahahahah ... I very much hope so, and I hope for a long time - and it serves you right ridiculing Nina Stemme, who is a marvellous singer I've heard live splendidly so many times. Shame on you - she does exactly what she wanted to do and I can hear no mistake!
Well I guess u heard her love or u just don't know dynamics. She sound fine! Ain't like she went FLAT or SCOOPED 4 the note. Become a vocal major & STOP THE IGNORANCE!!!! & if ur a vocal major u should be slapped with a theory book!
i've never heard of nina stemme, but that was really impressive. it doesn't sound like an accident at all, but rather like a very difficult but masterfully executed subito piano.
Sorry, mais si ça n'est pas du chant véritable et véritablement vécu, qu'est-ce que c'est ??? Nina Stemme sait parfaitement où elle va, elle fait de sa voix ce qu'elle veut, elle domine parfaitement l'expression, l'émission et la ligne vocale.
Mettre de tels commentaires contre une artiste n'est que petitesse envieuse, ridicule et surtout - pire - totalement inconsciente de ce qu'expression dramatique veut dire. GRRRRRRRR !!!!!
It's not anything tragic. Breaking the "technical rules" sometimes in order to express something better is in fact the rule! but this is not the case. She did not do something ugly or dangerous to the health of her voice.
This is Italian repertoire which is very different from German. If you hear Waltraud Meier sing in french or Italian you hear all the same flutters and imperfections in the voice as here, likewise with Karita Mattila. It's a very different style and technique and today we think because people could crossover in the past, everyone can. It was rarely done successfully in the past. Stemme shouldn't be judged on her 2nd repertoire (Verdi) but on her first (wagner+ Strauss).
SORRY that me intrometa, but this that donthe soprano does is not a filatto, not that IMPORTANT HAS FOR YOU filatto in his dictionary, but this as TOMPUSSINA says, IS A SUDDEN CHANGE OF MODULATION IN THE VOICE AND SONORITY... PLEASE PEOPLE, PROPERTY FOR THE COMMENTS AND PUBLICATIONS
If you are a singer (which presumably you are) you clearly have no idea what it is to put drama and theatre in the voice - to take a risk to produce something artistic and touching even though it might not be 'beautiful'. How very sad for you. I assume that's why you dedicate so much time to ripping apart young and professional singers instead of enjoying a succesful career.
Anyone who wants to chew on Nina Stemme is welcome to post a video of themselves doing better. I adore her. There is absolutely NOBODY like her anywhere.
Ma non è un filato, scusate. E' semplicemente un cambio repentino di sonorità, sicuramente voluto. Se voleva essere un filato allora sarebbe davvero un errore, ma mi sembra che tecnicamente la cantante sia sufficientemente dotata per non fare errori del genere. Quindi, per me, resta un cambio d'intensità voluto.
@tompussina Diciamo cosi: un non molto riuscito tentativo di fare un decrescendo. Come diccono i Tedeschi: "gewollt aber nicht gekonnt." Però una bravissima cantatrice.
I just saw/heard her sing the holy HELL out of Brunhilde in SF opera's ring. I am a life-long Ring addict and a professional opera singer, so I fell a bit safe in saying "OMFG!!! Do what you will with this off night from her archives, but those who have witnessed her chew up and spit out the Immolation scene will tell you to take this video down!
YOu see, if I was the greatest soprano or the tenor of the decade, I guess I could be warranted to comment on one of the best sopranos of our time. Honestly, who are you again? Lets see which major opera stage you end up on in your life. You must always strive to be humble and understanding. We are all humans and are bound to have our good and bad days. Anyway, personally I think she sounds beautiful here, singing with gusto and emotion. She deserves to be on that stage more than u ever will.
This video has 40,000 views, more than Nina's videos of opera and song. This is one of the great artists of our time, and this is what comes up when you search her on youtube. She did not deserve this, and you should be ashamed of yourself with your shadenfreude. Do you know how hard these artists work and how incredible this singer is?
MAYBE i'm crazy, but that seems and sounds like a diminuendo, done - well done, I might point out - intentionally (note the dynamics change on the orchestra), as the score marks a fortissimo on the B, followed by a diminuendo to piano (orchestra goes to pianissimo).
Of course one is entitled for his own opinion on how the interpretation would sound better for his taste, but calling that a flaw is just nonsense.
@IanMcSpain0:14 she goes for that top note, but her throat basically collapses and fails. Awful thing to happen, but she's so professional and just carries on.
I meant it as sort of a snide remark on what was actually so "distracting" about this performance is something I didn't even notice. But in all sincerity, was there supposed to be a note there and it just didn't speak?
You're right though, she's such a professional about it people like me would never have noticed.
@IanMcSpain I'm not too sure on these flashy soprano voice techniques, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she attempted to pull off some special kind of manuever with her throat (shrinking it presumably), and the sheer force of the note she was holding caused her throat to collapse. Nina Stemme is a fantastic singer, and shouldn't be overly criticised for a little mistake like that. Changing your throat shape like that is a tricky thing to pull off for any singer.
I would cut her some slack she is human after all! Plus singing a lil raw, albeit unconventional gives it an edge....and anyways I know purists may attack me, and I ain't nescarily defending or justifying a mere technically questionable moment; but should I remind this is NOT bel canto; nor is her fach really designed to deal with producing the most graceful of pianissimo dimuendos.
People shouldn't take these things too seriously. Every great singer has an off night or two or 20. They're human, not machines, and, therefore, completely vulnerable and fallible. Watching this and chuckling doesn't make me think any less of Nina Stemme. She's a wonderful singer and first rate Wagnerian.
Not really because they have the mania of wanting to smear singers, posting these videos, lyrical singing I feel sorry for whoever does this, it surely is a person who only listens to singers never sing a note, and not have no idea of the ezfuerso that is, to my taste this good piano voice, and learn well before getting into singers, in 2007 he replaced Deborah Voigt and Sieglinde was a success, Greetings
D'aww, poor thing. Thats why, unless one KNOWS their voice is in great shape, they shouldn't try anything as challenging as a dimminuendo on a high note, me thinks. :/ It can just go badly. Or is that what a "filato" is? I've never heard that term...Dx Still learning, FORGIVE ME!
@RaWrZzZz A diminuendo is exactly the effect you're admonishing her for administering. The poster of this video is implying that it is an unintentional loss of volume - a filato. But, like I said, the audio has been messed with.
It's one of the pitfalls of the modern operatic technique. The mixing of registers is taught and produced in a way alien to the centuries that preceded it. This is much closer to shouting with a non-stop wobble.
Nina is the great voice of our time. To attempt to gloat in what may or may not have been a momentary hiccup is so nasty as to make me regret the negative power of youtube when used by twisted minds. Every one of us who takes to the stage exposes ourselves to the adverse conditions of temperature, humidity, fatigue, stress and a million other vulnerabilities. And we suffer enough for it, without this kind of rubbish to add to the list.....
She does a diminuendo then another B natural before the portamento. What is your problem with it? This is really misrepresented as 'horrific'. It's dramatic, heartfelt, justified and interesting, and totally healthy. This woman sang the best Isolde I have ever heard at ROH last year. Effortless, shiny and glorious. Viva Nina!!!
hey brividokaldo....are you a singer? We like so much to listen your great voice....if you think that al those singers are horrible....what about you???? i'm a singer, I know how difficul is to sing, all singer are HUMAN, NOT WAR MACHINE!!!! if you're a war machine, you're not a singer with human emotions.....WHY DON'T YOU STUDY AND NOT LOOSE TIME MAKING ALL THOSE VIDEOS?
Such a pity! And the B is so beautiful when started. Why Nina? There is written FF
Fortissimo , yes, above this" Ah.... sventurata che disi?" A decrescendo is irrelevant and definitely not wanted by Verdi himself! Was it the conductor's idea?
wow some people are precious! The "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything" approach to life is just so naieve and immature. It's how you say things of course though.
Hey! not fair - those conductors INSIST on decrescendos even though many dramatic voices can't do it on the high note .... that was probably not her decision ....
brividokaldo, what IS your problem? Why do you spend so much time finding and posting the few bad moments of some great singers? I think you must have great difficulties of your own if you feel that you need to do this so constantly. Of course, you are free to do so, I am not trying to stop you. But what a dreadful, terrible, wasteful, small-minded thing to spend your time doing! Karma, dear silly fellow, karma. I can't wait until your own foibles are posted on Youtube.
She has a great voice and technique. She nails that high note (an A perhaps?), hitting the sound right where it should be. I think her diminuendo suffered only because she had to do it so quickly. I don't think she is suffering a technical difficulty. Maybe some crap on her cords got in the way. No matter. She is terrific.
Whoops! Well, that is definitely a tough note for it... It kind of makes me feel better when professional singers have these "oops" moments, because I certainly have plenty... Everybody does it!! :)
???? What is the point of this post? If it is to draw attention to the vocal change from 0:16-0:19 and insinuate that something disastrous happened, then I believe you're mistaken. Judging by the rest of the phrase, I think this was a dramatic effect that was fully intentional. If it doesn't suit you, go listen to Jewel.
as any muscle in the body (which may get strains & cramps), the vocal cords' minute & very delicate muscles are subject to the same problems. But notice how she regained her control over her voice quickly.
amen to that, Jaaakob! get over yourselves! such pettiness...haven't you better things to do? Like maybe focus on your own vocal shortcomings and improve yourselves?
I love it when everybody says his/her opinion and thinks he is absolutely right. The fact is that most people who like criticising are unfulfilled artists who are keeping their eyes on actual singers to proove something for themselves that they are failures as well. I have this opinion.
I have heard this area with Stemme 3 times in Vienna and she didn't make any mistake. Last time in December she was sooo fantastic at this part of the area.
I don't know if you, brividokaldo, expose yourself too every two days on a stage, but you should know that it has happened to every of our beloved singers to crack a filato or high note, even Joan. They are just human. Moreover, Stemme is a low dramatic soprano (like Flagstadt) rather than a spinto.
She puts a bit too much pressure and lifts too much the palate or tries to. Instead of swallowing the sound, of drinking the sound, so to speak, she puts it tenesly up and she cannot handle the diminuendo she intends to do. Opera history is plenty of these little accidents. Her voice sounds gorgeous so there is no room for worry. Next time she will do it better, I am sure ! Brava Stemme for your intensity and your voice !
@Greatfan Yes you are correct. and frankly she has given all she has on that High B.. that is not the way to start a note you intend to decrescendo.. and quite frankly, it is not marked either.. It is a note of frustration! All the music before it indicates great agitation. not too many sopranos were good at decrescendos on the spot.... except Callas.
I do not consider it funny... She had fabulous decrescendos and crescendos.. ... Nina, needs to stop worrying about making a big sound, and instead one that is steady... and supported.
@kgarmaker123 She indeed had. But Callas was also an example of not supporting the voice enough and making the wrong technical choices that ruin the voice. I would not start comparing singers it makes no sense.
@kgarmaker123 Thank you for posting your answer. Singers have bad days. However she did some technical mistakes. It is a mixture of an accident with a perhaps wrong approach to the note. Blessings !
brividokalo: whats the problem? Ever heard of interpretation before. I think Nina wanted it to be like that. Of course it always has the potensial to get better. Have you tried? And you call this shrinking throat?
Think that Caruso was known as the cracking tenor and my teacher show me Bjoerling cracking in Faust aria , and what????? I dont know how you and people like you can survive commenting things like you did about this singer.ENVY and marketing stupid fights.
One of the great joys of opera is that it's inconsistent! It's live, and it's fallible. All great singers have moments like this, and to put it up on YouTube, criticizing of one of the great sopranos of our time, is completely petty. You'll be missing out on a lot of beautiful art if you only want to find fault with singers like Nina Stemme.
What gets to me most is the notion that there is a "way" and a "way not" to sing things. There is no single way. Each singer can sing in their way. Some like to sing off their resources, some dont. Thats their decision. If you dont like it thats your problem. I heard her singing Isolde recently..it was wonderful and even if she was singing off her resources that night..I promise you, I didnt care.
@iskenderuna That's a very common excuse for not following the rules... "Doing it my way" isn't particularly valid when dealing with a subject like proper singing technique when we've had 500 years to perfect it... it's just another excuse.
That's a very dubious argument, Sieglinde. What you're saying is that, if I can't paint any better than a two-year old, then I ought not to compare the paintings of a two-year old with a Renoir, for example. And please don't talk about respect in the same sentence as you tell someone to fuck himself, really doesn't look too good.
Sieglinde, I couldn't care less what other people think of your ill-considered comments. But, if that's what is important to you, then I sincerely hope you enjoy your newfound popularity.
All I want to say, or need to say is listen to her singing the liebestod. If you are so quick to judge one of the greatest singers of her generation on one note, then perhaps judge her on THAT, as it is probably the finest rendition and some of the finest singing that I think i will ever hear.
on the other hand I think that Stemme didnt really shout that high note, she wanted to go from forte to piano and I think it is commendable that she tried to fix it in the spur of the moment, I dont know much of her singing but I do think that one note cant define and depict the work of as singer
No, you are the only who knows about singing. Please honour us with your enlightened views about singing. We are all sitting at your feet and waiting with subservient anticipation. No, no, go ahead, please! Educate us!
She is not singing SHE IS ARTICULATING and PUSHING THE LARYNX DOWN TO GET THE TONE and then she broked into some tones ..... absolutely horror !THIS IS NOT VERDI - this is SHRILLSHRINKY WOODEN bump!
Listen to Leontyne Price Eilen Farrell Renata Tebaldi .... and of course Birgit Nillson and Martina Arroyo or the wonderful Leonie Rysanek
THEY DID THIS WONDERFUL VERDIMUSIC correct and E L E G A N T with amber in the voice....
Big voices more than any other voices need to watch their focus and especially their passagio. She's not too good with either that's why her top spreads too wide and looses the vibrato (a steady vibrato being essentially the sign of a freely reigning voice). Be careful Nina!
PREACH IT TO THE WORLD AND MAYBE THINGS WILL CHANGE IN TIME. D'ACCORDO! How did this generation come up with "throat is better".....? The breath has to come OUT of the body or you'll die.
I HAVE to disagree. There is nothing wrong with breaking a FALSE reputation on which they base their earnings. We pay big bucks to hear that? We have a right to know what we are paying for. We have a right to ask for our money back when it is bad. Especially when they and their cronies talk down to us.
yeah but les commediens come out in the audience and fuck you up in that show, dont they, en tabernac! which was my point...so go sit down in your seat...
and what about YOUR next bad day at the office..you did not respond to this..are you prepared to have your pissy job filmed, and picked apart by the millisecond, for future generations..??
I think this artist made some choices, actually, which did not come out in the mix..this is not a crash and burn situation.
sorry, I don't understand the first half of your post. You use very strange language.
If I am PAID >$1000/hour to do something in public, I ASSUME someone will record it. And if my concert is available on DVD, I ASSUME someone will post bits of it on youtube (except for copyright infringement).
And you have not read my other posts, because they are not as negative about the singer as you ASSUME. My original point to you was: I DEFEND the right of people to express themselves.
my comments are based on observation of dozens of singers, from all ages and levels. I didn't say they were all 100% like that, but that is how their marketing is based. If you have a problem with my comments, blame the promoters.
Son giunta! Io tremo! La mia orrenda storia è nota in quell'albergo, e mio fratel narrolla!
Se scoperta m'avesse! Cielo! Ei disse naviga
vers' occaso. Don Alvaro! Nè morto cadde quella notte in cui io, io del sangue di mio padre intrisa,l'ho seguito e il perde! Ed or mi lascia, mi fugge! Ohimè, non reggo a tanta ambascia.
Well, she will sing Rusalka in Münich in 2 years...which is lyric...can you imagine she tries anything in front of a crowded audience she has not tried hundreds of times during the rehearsals? I don't think so! Decrescendo didn't work that time...that's all! I have already heard her doing Leonore in Vienna and she didn't do decrescendo and everything worked well...I am not afraid of her damaging her voice because she knows exactly what she is doing...decrescendo didn't work that day, that's all
But her problem is really the larynxdowning with to much pressure to make this dark tone... this will kill her timbre if she went on with that and all this big Hochdramtische Deutschen Fach is I think for her JUGENDLICHDRAMATISCHE VOICE to much and I would like to see her more in the right repertoire ....
By the way I love her live but all her recordings are boring and not in the right style ....
I totally agree! There is some serious pushing down of the larynx going on and such a loud attack on the high b she has no where to go from that! Besides, the score does not say anything about diminuendos...Gosh people, please, stick to Verdi's writing! Good voice, interesting, too bad going so far the wrong direction.
She is one of the great singers of our time and this is not a vocal "accident".As someone said before it´s a subito piano and something that´s only possible that high if you have perfect voice control.The smaller our real achievement in the music world is the more we seem to be urged to volunteer our opinion on others.Every little fart first semester soprano can trash Bartoli or Fleming.Every failed singer can live out his frustration through comments here on youtube.
Excuse me, but this post is ridiculous. This singing is amazing, and the mistake (if it actually is one and not just a weird choice) is small. Horrific does not describe this singing at all.
I disagree with some words. A weird choice IS a mistake. Singing the wrong note WOULD BE a mistake. Cracking is NOT a mistake, it's an accident, like sneezing.
However her voice did not crack, I think she did exactly what she was trying to do, but what she was trying to do was weird.
On the other hand, even if we ignore the strange descrendo and the bumpy portamento, I don't think the singing is amazing. This "grande vocciaccia" style doesn't suit this aria or role. Maybe Lady Macbeth.
Of course the real point being made here is this. You have time to criticise great artists like this because you simply are not of the calibre of these types of talent. Too much spare time perhaps...? When did you last sing a lead Wagner role in one of the leading houses in the world? I rest my case. Kind regards,
c'est vrai, c'est moche même sans ce subito molto decrescendo mal fait. Cet air ne lui convient pas, elle fait des sons laids depuis le début du clip.
Loved it brividokaldo and loved the way you posted it "Nina Stemme's horrific filato". LOL. This is a place to post everything and that includes flaws and mistakes of a huge and wonderful Wagnerian soprano, why not?
"my vocal chords ache when I listen to this ahahahah ... I very much hope so, and I hope for a long time - and it serves you right ridiculing Nina Stemme, who is a marvellous singer I've heard live splendidly so many times. Shame on you - she does exactly what she wanted to do and I can hear no mistake!
traxelable 3 days ago
povero VErdi
sttar1982 4 days ago
she did what she meant to lol
ImmaculateRecovery 3 weeks ago
It sounds OK to me. She never lost the control of her voice. My impression was she did exactly what she meant.
MrRoulf 3 weeks ago
Clearly it is a diminuendo for a dramatic effect you moron.
LaBartoliLover 1 month ago 4
Well I guess u heard her love or u just don't know dynamics. She sound fine! Ain't like she went FLAT or SCOOPED 4 the note. Become a vocal major & STOP THE IGNORANCE!!!! & if ur a vocal major u should be slapped with a theory book!
fmita2020 1 month ago
Horrific, my hind FOOT! Get serious.
horndiapason 1 month ago
i've never heard of nina stemme, but that was really impressive. it doesn't sound like an accident at all, but rather like a very difficult but masterfully executed subito piano.
Timrath 1 month ago 3
@Timrath It is that - and fantastic control
dziady1 1 month ago
I thought it was Dope !
MrMichaelderon 2 months ago
DIMINUENDO YOU ASS!
TyHovind 2 months ago
@TyHovind tell em man
fuckin nignogs
AeacusCanti 2 months ago
Sorry, mais si ça n'est pas du chant véritable et véritablement vécu, qu'est-ce que c'est ??? Nina Stemme sait parfaitement où elle va, elle fait de sa voix ce qu'elle veut, elle domine parfaitement l'expression, l'émission et la ligne vocale.
Mettre de tels commentaires contre une artiste n'est que petitesse envieuse, ridicule et surtout - pire - totalement inconsciente de ce qu'expression dramatique veut dire. GRRRRRRRR !!!!!
kastrafior 2 months ago
come on... thats cleary a "subito fortepiano" with "portamento". It's a very difficult vocal dynamics for dramatic intents.
lallanzinho 2 months ago
we call it - DIMINUENDO
philiphoward123 2 months ago
Jealous much? Gee. Go work on your own technique before posting such ugly titles that are untrue.
mmgmom 3 months ago 3
That was intentional and, on top of that, really, really difficult to pull off! Brava, Nina.
battletor4 3 months ago
Artiste généreuse
MrGanesh95 3 months ago
HORRID!
MrCafiero 3 months ago
Donald the Duck or Porky Pig (both in drag) would of had a better voice and range!
NEBESHIKU 3 months ago
this was ok...nothing horrific
1717PRO 3 months ago
It is correct! This is planned, a subito pianissimo!
LordHettrick 3 months ago 5
this is a subito diminuendo, what's your point ?
loerifoeki 3 months ago 3
completely intentional and for dramatic effect. subito diminuendo.
sjymusic1 4 months ago 4
It's not anything tragic. Breaking the "technical rules" sometimes in order to express something better is in fact the rule! but this is not the case. She did not do something ugly or dangerous to the health of her voice.
MedievalFairy 4 months ago
This is Italian repertoire which is very different from German. If you hear Waltraud Meier sing in french or Italian you hear all the same flutters and imperfections in the voice as here, likewise with Karita Mattila. It's a very different style and technique and today we think because people could crossover in the past, everyone can. It was rarely done successfully in the past. Stemme shouldn't be judged on her 2nd repertoire (Verdi) but on her first (wagner+ Strauss).
peteradaniel 4 months ago
SORRY that me intrometa, but this that donthe soprano does is not a filatto, not that IMPORTANT HAS FOR YOU filatto in his dictionary, but this as TOMPUSSINA says, IS A SUDDEN CHANGE OF MODULATION IN THE VOICE AND SONORITY... PLEASE PEOPLE, PROPERTY FOR THE COMMENTS AND PUBLICATIONS
GeronteDiRavoir 5 months ago
@GeronteDiRavoir Could you repeat that in clear English, please...
Randidan 4 months ago
I don't see anything wrong...
callastoujours 5 months ago 8
Puo capitare......smettetela di criticare sempre e provate a fare voi quello che fanno questi grandi artisti!!!
cherocherocoucou 5 months ago
If you are a singer (which presumably you are) you clearly have no idea what it is to put drama and theatre in the voice - to take a risk to produce something artistic and touching even though it might not be 'beautiful'. How very sad for you. I assume that's why you dedicate so much time to ripping apart young and professional singers instead of enjoying a succesful career.
Villainesse 6 months ago 35
@Villainesse puta sabihonda
viktoruschka 4 weeks ago
Anyone who wants to chew on Nina Stemme is welcome to post a video of themselves doing better. I adore her. There is absolutely NOBODY like her anywhere.
moiragreyland 6 months ago 5
Where is the accident???
AlexandreJdB 7 months ago 5
...sorry guys, this is not an accident. She is singing it completely correct.
dg6da 7 months ago 5
Ma non è un filato, scusate. E' semplicemente un cambio repentino di sonorità, sicuramente voluto. Se voleva essere un filato allora sarebbe davvero un errore, ma mi sembra che tecnicamente la cantante sia sufficientemente dotata per non fare errori del genere. Quindi, per me, resta un cambio d'intensità voluto.
tompussina 7 months ago 7
@tompussina Diciamo cosi: un non molto riuscito tentativo di fare un decrescendo. Come diccono i Tedeschi: "gewollt aber nicht gekonnt." Però una bravissima cantatrice.
assindiastignani 1 month ago
What does she do that's wrong?
archibaldvery 7 months ago
I just saw/heard her sing the holy HELL out of Brunhilde in SF opera's ring. I am a life-long Ring addict and a professional opera singer, so I fell a bit safe in saying "OMFG!!! Do what you will with this off night from her archives, but those who have witnessed her chew up and spit out the Immolation scene will tell you to take this video down!
theropodia 7 months ago
If sopranos were dismissed just because they had a bad night or two when they croaked or went off, Maria Callas would have had to get a day job.
unclealand 7 months ago 5
YOu see, if I was the greatest soprano or the tenor of the decade, I guess I could be warranted to comment on one of the best sopranos of our time. Honestly, who are you again? Lets see which major opera stage you end up on in your life. You must always strive to be humble and understanding. We are all humans and are bound to have our good and bad days. Anyway, personally I think she sounds beautiful here, singing with gusto and emotion. She deserves to be on that stage more than u ever will.
Shamsithaca 8 months ago
fake off
sallpario 8 months ago
is it at 0:18? that wasnt part of the song? the music goes down at the same time as she does
SaladinSaladin22 8 months ago
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IT IS NO MISTAKE, IT'S FAKE. EVERYBODY MAKE DIMINUENDO AND @brividokaldo DECREASED VOLUME.
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luudi1 8 months ago
I like it!!!
jimmyjimmyshortcakes 8 months ago
This video has 40,000 views, more than Nina's videos of opera and song. This is one of the great artists of our time, and this is what comes up when you search her on youtube. She did not deserve this, and you should be ashamed of yourself with your shadenfreude. Do you know how hard these artists work and how incredible this singer is?
hightenor123 8 months ago 3
MAYBE i'm crazy, but that seems and sounds like a diminuendo, done - well done, I might point out - intentionally (note the dynamics change on the orchestra), as the score marks a fortissimo on the B, followed by a diminuendo to piano (orchestra goes to pianissimo).
Of course one is entitled for his own opinion on how the interpretation would sound better for his taste, but calling that a flaw is just nonsense.
But thanks for the nice video you posted.
maferreira1984 8 months ago 4
I'm sorry, what was wrong with that performance, I must have missed it.
IanMcSpain 9 months ago
@IanMcSpain 0:14 she goes for that top note, but her throat basically collapses and fails. Awful thing to happen, but she's so professional and just carries on.
witness124 9 months ago
@witness124
I meant it as sort of a snide remark on what was actually so "distracting" about this performance is something I didn't even notice. But in all sincerity, was there supposed to be a note there and it just didn't speak?
You're right though, she's such a professional about it people like me would never have noticed.
IanMcSpain 9 months ago
@IanMcSpain I'm not too sure on these flashy soprano voice techniques, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she attempted to pull off some special kind of manuever with her throat (shrinking it presumably), and the sheer force of the note she was holding caused her throat to collapse. Nina Stemme is a fantastic singer, and shouldn't be overly criticised for a little mistake like that. Changing your throat shape like that is a tricky thing to pull off for any singer.
witness124 9 months ago
where is this aria from???
GreekOperaLover 9 months ago
Not my cup of tea but an amazing voice - wish I had a hint of her talent .
Think the bad note being poster on youtube says more about the poster than the singer -
dishywinnie 10 months ago 2
I would cut her some slack she is human after all! Plus singing a lil raw, albeit unconventional gives it an edge....and anyways I know purists may attack me, and I ain't nescarily defending or justifying a mere technically questionable moment; but should I remind this is NOT bel canto; nor is her fach really designed to deal with producing the most graceful of pianissimo dimuendos.
whistlenotelover 10 months ago
People shouldn't take these things too seriously. Every great singer has an off night or two or 20. They're human, not machines, and, therefore, completely vulnerable and fallible. Watching this and chuckling doesn't make me think any less of Nina Stemme. She's a wonderful singer and first rate Wagnerian.
wolfgang731 1 year ago
Not really because they have the mania of wanting to smear singers, posting these videos, lyrical singing I feel sorry for whoever does this, it surely is a person who only listens to singers never sing a note, and not have no idea of the ezfuerso that is, to my taste this good piano voice, and learn well before getting into singers, in 2007 he replaced Deborah Voigt and Sieglinde was a success, Greetings
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OPERAFAN1986 1 year ago
The audio sounds a bit tampered with - the volume of the entire recording diminishes, not just her voice.
gustopheles 1 year ago
@gustopheles true!
RusSoprano 9 months ago
D'aww, poor thing. Thats why, unless one KNOWS their voice is in great shape, they shouldn't try anything as challenging as a dimminuendo on a high note, me thinks. :/ It can just go badly. Or is that what a "filato" is? I've never heard that term...Dx Still learning, FORGIVE ME!
RaWrZzZz 1 year ago
@RaWrZzZz A diminuendo is exactly the effect you're admonishing her for administering. The poster of this video is implying that it is an unintentional loss of volume - a filato. But, like I said, the audio has been messed with.
gustopheles 9 months ago 4
It's one of the pitfalls of the modern operatic technique. The mixing of registers is taught and produced in a way alien to the centuries that preceded it. This is much closer to shouting with a non-stop wobble.
Svatopluk 1 year ago
Improper technique.
imPathogenic 1 year ago
Nina is the great voice of our time. To attempt to gloat in what may or may not have been a momentary hiccup is so nasty as to make me regret the negative power of youtube when used by twisted minds. Every one of us who takes to the stage exposes ourselves to the adverse conditions of temperature, humidity, fatigue, stress and a million other vulnerabilities. And we suffer enough for it, without this kind of rubbish to add to the list.....
paddyswok 1 year ago
Why dont you post a video of yourself singing... Nina is a goddess...
johnb340 1 year ago
She does a diminuendo then another B natural before the portamento. What is your problem with it? This is really misrepresented as 'horrific'. It's dramatic, heartfelt, justified and interesting, and totally healthy. This woman sang the best Isolde I have ever heard at ROH last year. Effortless, shiny and glorious. Viva Nina!!!
jibbyjane 1 year ago 5
I always thought she had a great throat and pushes like hell
JasminaH79 1 year ago
hey brividokaldo....are you a singer? We like so much to listen your great voice....if you think that al those singers are horrible....what about you???? i'm a singer, I know how difficul is to sing, all singer are HUMAN, NOT WAR MACHINE!!!! if you're a war machine, you're not a singer with human emotions.....WHY DON'T YOU STUDY AND NOT LOOSE TIME MAKING ALL THOSE VIDEOS?
monzettaCanterina 1 year ago 2
Such a pity! And the B is so beautiful when started. Why Nina? There is written FF
Fortissimo , yes, above this" Ah.... sventurata che disi?" A decrescendo is irrelevant and definitely not wanted by Verdi himself! Was it the conductor's idea?
Chrissie19242 1 year ago
@Chrissie19242
This is "La forza del destino", not "Aida"!
liszt80 10 months ago
@liszt80 Shame on me! Of course.
Chrissie19242 10 months ago
Thats the problem when Fantastic Wagner singer are not good in Italian repertory
Kachureo62 1 year ago
Stemme is great!
MarcusHolly 1 year ago
Nina Stemme is a great singer, it's a shame to show that kind of accident, by posting this you just show us that you don't what singing means!
tidaliumpelo 1 year ago 2
wow some people are precious! The "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything" approach to life is just so naieve and immature. It's how you say things of course though.
donerlich 1 year ago
must be a try-out
enzerinckful 1 year ago
Hey! not fair - those conductors INSIST on decrescendos even though many dramatic voices can't do it on the high note .... that was probably not her decision ....
CrowneLeah 1 year ago
brividokaldo, what IS your problem? Why do you spend so much time finding and posting the few bad moments of some great singers? I think you must have great difficulties of your own if you feel that you need to do this so constantly. Of course, you are free to do so, I am not trying to stop you. But what a dreadful, terrible, wasteful, small-minded thing to spend your time doing! Karma, dear silly fellow, karma. I can't wait until your own foibles are posted on Youtube.
Richiesutherland 1 year ago 3
@Richiesutherland You Again! I suppose you were pissed off when he posted a disastrous Traviata Of Joan Sutherland.
kgarmaker123 1 year ago
She has a great voice and technique. She nails that high note (an A perhaps?), hitting the sound right where it should be. I think her diminuendo suffered only because she had to do it so quickly. I don't think she is suffering a technical difficulty. Maybe some crap on her cords got in the way. No matter. She is terrific.
sopranosd 1 year ago
@sopranosd The note is a B natural and she attacks it brilliantly!
Richiesutherland 1 year ago 2
Whoops! Well, that is definitely a tough note for it... It kind of makes me feel better when professional singers have these "oops" moments, because I certainly have plenty... Everybody does it!! :)
classictomatosoup 1 year ago
???? What is the point of this post? If it is to draw attention to the vocal change from 0:16-0:19 and insinuate that something disastrous happened, then I believe you're mistaken. Judging by the rest of the phrase, I think this was a dramatic effect that was fully intentional. If it doesn't suit you, go listen to Jewel.
gimmeachallenge 1 year ago 27
@gimmeachallenge I totally agree with you, I didn't listen to anything wrong at that, just something fully intentional to add more drama to it.
starbreez3 3 months ago
what was the intent? to point out the imperfections possible in live performance or to humiliate?
SFOtter 1 year ago
LOLOLOLOL
miuzefreak 1 year ago
If only all 'mistakes' could sound like that. She's simply wonderful.
kmez33 1 year ago
Stemme is the ONLY super Isolde today!
rumpwrestler 1 year ago
the best in town
enzerinckful 1 year ago
this might be because this is the first time i listen to both this particular soprano and this aria but.....technically, there are no flaws!
killerbunny123123 1 year ago
as any muscle in the body (which may get strains & cramps), the vocal cords' minute & very delicate muscles are subject to the same problems. But notice how she regained her control over her voice quickly.
fayz44awad 1 year ago
I heard Nina Stemme as Isolde in Bayreuth in 2006, and she was incredible!
Thomasdada 1 year ago
haha... opera listeners can start a bitch fight like no other kind of fans.
It's as if they think that diminishing one artist will strenghten their own favourite's position.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
amen to that, Jaaakob! get over yourselves! such pettiness...haven't you better things to do? Like maybe focus on your own vocal shortcomings and improve yourselves?
nuclearphyllis 1 year ago
I love it when everybody says his/her opinion and thinks he is absolutely right. The fact is that most people who like criticising are unfulfilled artists who are keeping their eyes on actual singers to proove something for themselves that they are failures as well. I have this opinion.
angelmanrobi 1 year ago 2
hi, does anyone knows what she was singing here?
please, the namo of the aria
littlechildren01 1 year ago
La Forza del Destino: Son giunta (2nd act)
angelmanrobi 1 year ago
ey, thanks so much!!!
i´ve never heard it, and now ihave with the tebaldi! WOW, WHAT A FORCE OF NATURE!!!
littlechildren01 1 year ago
I have heard this area with Stemme 3 times in Vienna and she didn't make any mistake. Last time in December she was sooo fantastic at this part of the area.
angelmanrobi 1 year ago
it is so incredibly stupid to post ONE error by an otherwise remarkable artist which happens to have been on TV!
operalover23 1 year ago
I don't know if you, brividokaldo, expose yourself too every two days on a stage, but you should know that it has happened to every of our beloved singers to crack a filato or high note, even Joan. They are just human. Moreover, Stemme is a low dramatic soprano (like Flagstadt) rather than a spinto.
foropera 1 year ago
What's wrong here?
slaraffenlandia 1 year ago
She puts a bit too much pressure and lifts too much the palate or tries to. Instead of swallowing the sound, of drinking the sound, so to speak, she puts it tenesly up and she cannot handle the diminuendo she intends to do. Opera history is plenty of these little accidents. Her voice sounds gorgeous so there is no room for worry. Next time she will do it better, I am sure ! Brava Stemme for your intensity and your voice !
Greatfan 2 years ago
@Greatfan Yes you are correct. and frankly she has given all she has on that High B.. that is not the way to start a note you intend to decrescendo.. and quite frankly, it is not marked either.. It is a note of frustration! All the music before it indicates great agitation. not too many sopranos were good at decrescendos on the spot.... except Callas.
kgarmaker123 1 year ago
@kgarmaker123 Very funny to mention Callas in this respect......
martello79 1 year ago
I do not consider it funny... She had fabulous decrescendos and crescendos.. ... Nina, needs to stop worrying about making a big sound, and instead one that is steady... and supported.
kgarmaker123 1 year ago
@kgarmaker123 She indeed had. But Callas was also an example of not supporting the voice enough and making the wrong technical choices that ruin the voice. I would not start comparing singers it makes no sense.
martello79 1 year ago
@kgarmaker123 Thank you for posting your answer. Singers have bad days. However she did some technical mistakes. It is a mixture of an accident with a perhaps wrong approach to the note. Blessings !
Greatfan 1 year ago 2
0:16
mezzoemperatris 2 years ago
Nothing sounds wrong. What's wrong with YOU?
o0BeriiShirayuki0o 2 years ago
It's only a note not her career.
profgv 2 years ago 3
brividokalo: whats the problem? Ever heard of interpretation before. I think Nina wanted it to be like that. Of course it always has the potensial to get better. Have you tried? And you call this shrinking throat?
bloydaage 2 years ago 4
@bloydaage True - I think she meant it like this too - dramatically excellent.
Englishtenor2 2 years ago 3
Think that Caruso was known as the cracking tenor and my teacher show me Bjoerling cracking in Faust aria , and what????? I dont know how you and people like you can survive commenting things like you did about this singer.ENVY and marketing stupid fights.
sanfranciscosoprano 2 years ago
One of the great joys of opera is that it's inconsistent! It's live, and it's fallible. All great singers have moments like this, and to put it up on YouTube, criticizing of one of the great sopranos of our time, is completely petty. You'll be missing out on a lot of beautiful art if you only want to find fault with singers like Nina Stemme.
SpotliteGirl88 2 years ago 83
Yeah but for years record companies have controlled what we have access to. This is just showing that every coin has 2 sides.
jrynz 2 years ago
@SpotliteGirl88 I agree most heartily!!! BRAVO for saying so SpotlteGirl!! I bet you're a fine singer yourself....one can always tell class!
MezzoDiva 11 months ago
What gets to me most is the notion that there is a "way" and a "way not" to sing things. There is no single way. Each singer can sing in their way. Some like to sing off their resources, some dont. Thats their decision. If you dont like it thats your problem. I heard her singing Isolde recently..it was wonderful and even if she was singing off her resources that night..I promise you, I didnt care.
iskenderuna 2 years ago 17
@iskenderuna That's a very common excuse for not following the rules... "Doing it my way" isn't particularly valid when dealing with a subject like proper singing technique when we've had 500 years to perfect it... it's just another excuse.
Randidan 4 months ago
Fuck yourself and learn to talk with respect about her. And before you talk like this, TRY DOING IT BETTER, asshole.
Sieglinde84 2 years ago 7
That's a very dubious argument, Sieglinde. What you're saying is that, if I can't paint any better than a two-year old, then I ought not to compare the paintings of a two-year old with a Renoir, for example. And please don't talk about respect in the same sentence as you tell someone to fuck himself, really doesn't look too good.
33blueberries 2 years ago
Apparently people think I'm right. *points at rating*
Sieglinde84 2 years ago
Sieglinde, I couldn't care less what other people think of your ill-considered comments. But, if that's what is important to you, then I sincerely hope you enjoy your newfound popularity.
33blueberries 2 years ago
All I want to say, or need to say is listen to her singing the liebestod. If you are so quick to judge one of the greatest singers of her generation on one note, then perhaps judge her on THAT, as it is probably the finest rendition and some of the finest singing that I think i will ever hear.
hyphboy 2 years ago 5
on the other hand I think that Stemme didnt really shout that high note, she wanted to go from forte to piano and I think it is commendable that she tried to fix it in the spur of the moment, I dont know much of her singing but I do think that one note cant define and depict the work of as singer
Federicopera 2 years ago 2
anybody have footage of linda roark-strummer? LOL
wattever333 2 years ago
I love you because u are dreadful, I agree with you, Linda sang or shouted Nabucco in Buenos Aires
Federicopera 2 years ago
and I'm the only one here who didn't write an explicit criticism.
wattever333 2 years ago
until the last 15 minutes.
wattever333 2 years ago
Hahaha..
33blueberries 2 years ago
The voice is being pushed to increase the sound. She does not know how to sing on the interest.
796824 2 years ago
she terrible..9 out of ten times...but like a car wreck i cant stop looking!!!!
trufiend138 2 years ago
no, seriously, do any of you guys really think you know what you are talking about??
sirjohnfalstaff1 2 years ago
No, you are the only who knows about singing. Please honour us with your enlightened views about singing. We are all sitting at your feet and waiting with subservient anticipation. No, no, go ahead, please! Educate us!
wattever333 2 years ago
I'm certain that I don't know what I'm talking about, but I have listened to an awful lot of opera. Sung a little bit of it too, actually.
33blueberries 2 years ago
She is not singing SHE IS ARTICULATING and PUSHING THE LARYNX DOWN TO GET THE TONE and then she broked into some tones ..... absolutely horror !THIS IS NOT VERDI - this is SHRILLSHRINKY WOODEN bump!
Listen to Leontyne Price Eilen Farrell Renata Tebaldi .... and of course Birgit Nillson and Martina Arroyo or the wonderful Leonie Rysanek
THEY DID THIS WONDERFUL VERDIMUSIC correct and E L E G A N T with amber in the voice....
lamusicahera 2 years ago
are you kidding.. she had to do that.. her voice was falling apart there... if she didn't it would have screeched or just stopped completely.
operawhore64 2 years ago
This ruins the voice!
lyghdha 2 years ago
Not for her voice!!!
cleanears 2 years ago
hi, does anypne knows the name of this aria?
littlechildren01 2 years ago
Big voices more than any other voices need to watch their focus and especially their passagio. She's not too good with either that's why her top spreads too wide and looses the vibrato (a steady vibrato being essentially the sign of a freely reigning voice). Be careful Nina!
Lindow 2 years ago
PREACH IT TO THE WORLD AND MAYBE THINGS WILL CHANGE IN TIME. D'ACCORDO! How did this generation come up with "throat is better".....? The breath has to come OUT of the body or you'll die.
CreaturaDura 2 years ago
this is inappropriate..and not what Youtube was intended for..
gives singers a bad name to post faults of others, percieved or otherwise..
dxhtz 2 years ago
I HAVE to disagree. There is nothing wrong with breaking a FALSE reputation on which they base their earnings. We pay big bucks to hear that? We have a right to know what we are paying for. We have a right to ask for our money back when it is bad. Especially when they and their cronies talk down to us.
wattever333 2 years ago
I am speaking generally.
wattever333 2 years ago
''So think then, not of our poor
theatrical costumes
but of our souls,
for we are men of flesh and blood.
Breathing the air of this lonely world
Just like you! ''
Prologue aria, Pagliacci..
no-one deserves to have a bad day at the office up on the web in perpetuity..
The Opera House is the right place to complain, if standards are slipping, or are unacceptable..not here..
Again..Inappropriate..
dxhtz 2 years ago 4
HA! The last people on earth to admit that they are flesh and blood are opera singers.
Secondly, if we complain to the opera house, we will see very clearly my previous statement be confirmed.
And your quote of I Pagliacci is soooo pedantic. And it's about comedians, not opera stingers.
wattever333 2 years ago
yeah but les commediens come out in the audience and fuck you up in that show, dont they, en tabernac! which was my point...so go sit down in your seat...
and what about YOUR next bad day at the office..you did not respond to this..are you prepared to have your pissy job filmed, and picked apart by the millisecond, for future generations..??
I think this artist made some choices, actually, which did not come out in the mix..this is not a crash and burn situation.
dxhtz 2 years ago
sorry, I don't understand the first half of your post. You use very strange language.
If I am PAID >$1000/hour to do something in public, I ASSUME someone will record it. And if my concert is available on DVD, I ASSUME someone will post bits of it on youtube (except for copyright infringement).
And you have not read my other posts, because they are not as negative about the singer as you ASSUME. My original point to you was: I DEFEND the right of people to express themselves.
wattever333 2 years ago
you seem to live on a collection of poor clichés my dear friend.
miu5423 2 years ago
prove me wrong. :P
wattever333 2 years ago
my comments are based on observation of dozens of singers, from all ages and levels. I didn't say they were all 100% like that, but that is how their marketing is based. If you have a problem with my comments, blame the promoters.
wattever333 2 years ago
it sounded more like a recording problem. The quality of the sound was different after the high passage
tenormcgee 2 years ago
What is the name of this aria?
sour7lemon 2 years ago
I think it from Verdi's Forza
rrgallo 2 years ago
LA FORZA DEL DESTINO ATTO IV
Sono giunta! Grazie, o Dio!
Estremo asil guesto è per me!
Son giunta! Io tremo! La mia orrenda storia è nota in quell'albergo, e mio fratel narrolla!
Se scoperta m'avesse! Cielo! Ei disse naviga
vers' occaso. Don Alvaro! Nè morto cadde quella notte in cui io, io del sangue di mio padre intrisa,l'ho seguito e il perde! Ed or mi lascia, mi fugge! Ohimè, non reggo a tanta ambascia.
camilla0690 2 years ago
CORRECTION: ACT II of LA FORZA DEL DESTINO
veracura 2 years ago
Madre, pietosa Vergine,
Perdona al mio peccato, M'aita quel ingrato
Dal core a cancellar. In queste solitudini
Espierò l'errore, Pietà di me, Signore.
Deh, non m'abbandonar!
camilla0690 2 years ago
Not shure if Stemme will last this long, her voice seems top dry up in a way!
Seems to be doing to much dramatic soprano.
There is no way back, and thats what she tries here...doing something she did few years ago.
We need to be prepared,and not do tricky stuff.
Maybe just a bad day for Nina?
Love her anyway!
andreasscholl 2 years ago 2
Well, she will sing Rusalka in Münich in 2 years...which is lyric...can you imagine she tries anything in front of a crowded audience she has not tried hundreds of times during the rehearsals? I don't think so! Decrescendo didn't work that time...that's all! I have already heard her doing Leonore in Vienna and she didn't do decrescendo and everything worked well...I am not afraid of her damaging her voice because she knows exactly what she is doing...decrescendo didn't work that day, that's all
angelmanrobi 2 years ago 2
I think that she had a bad day....
But her problem is really the larynxdowning with to much pressure to make this dark tone... this will kill her timbre if she went on with that and all this big Hochdramtische Deutschen Fach is I think for her JUGENDLICHDRAMATISCHE VOICE to much and I would like to see her more in the right repertoire ....
By the way I love her live but all her recordings are boring and not in the right style ....
lamusicahera 2 years ago 2
I totally agree! There is some serious pushing down of the larynx going on and such a loud attack on the high b she has no where to go from that! Besides, the score does not say anything about diminuendos...Gosh people, please, stick to Verdi's writing! Good voice, interesting, too bad going so far the wrong direction.
veracura 2 years ago
Can you imagine she tries anything in front of a crowded audience without having signed a fool-proof contract?
wattever333 2 years ago
She is one of the great singers of our time and this is not a vocal "accident".As someone said before it´s a subito piano and something that´s only possible that high if you have perfect voice control.The smaller our real achievement in the music world is the more we seem to be urged to volunteer our opinion on others.Every little fart first semester soprano can trash Bartoli or Fleming.Every failed singer can live out his frustration through comments here on youtube.
templarCH 2 years ago 4
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templarCH 2 years ago
Oh my...
Laeliapurpurata 2 years ago
Excuse me, but this post is ridiculous. This singing is amazing, and the mistake (if it actually is one and not just a weird choice) is small. Horrific does not describe this singing at all.
hightenor123 2 years ago 21
I disagree with some words. A weird choice IS a mistake. Singing the wrong note WOULD BE a mistake. Cracking is NOT a mistake, it's an accident, like sneezing.
However her voice did not crack, I think she did exactly what she was trying to do, but what she was trying to do was weird.
On the other hand, even if we ignore the strange descrendo and the bumpy portamento, I don't think the singing is amazing. This "grande vocciaccia" style doesn't suit this aria or role. Maybe Lady Macbeth.
wattever333 2 years ago
I am agree, I think that it is amazing!
PaulaVanegas81 1 year ago
Of course the real point being made here is this. You have time to criticise great artists like this because you simply are not of the calibre of these types of talent. Too much spare time perhaps...? When did you last sing a lead Wagner role in one of the leading houses in the world? I rest my case. Kind regards,
ImTreibhaus 2 years ago 3
Now we all know that brividokaldo is totally a raving maniac .
liebestod11 2 years ago 6
C'est moche comme tout, même sans la comparer à Leontyne Price !
levieuxpiano 2 years ago
c'est vrai, c'est moche même sans ce subito molto decrescendo mal fait. Cet air ne lui convient pas, elle fait des sons laids depuis le début du clip.
wattever333 2 years ago
Loved it brividokaldo and loved the way you posted it "Nina Stemme's horrific filato". LOL. This is a place to post everything and that includes flaws and mistakes of a huge and wonderful Wagnerian soprano, why not?
SerchWagnerianBear 2 years ago
:-)
brividokaldo 2 years ago