They do get hurt. When you move weight around ballistically, you can easily generate forces that can exceed your structural capability. I've seen seasoned weighlifters snap bones like twigs. If you know your limitations and perform correct technique, it's low risk, but if done wihout proper training and with a competent coach, it's just asking to get hurt..
@EddygPS3 athletes are athletes. stop using basketball as an example, noone outside of the united states gives a shit about basketball. given you clearly only have an understanding of one sport and what they taught you at community college biomechanics 101, i think its best you don't voice you'r inept opinion. jump squats are small fry for track and field athletes, its a staple plyometric exercise. If your incapable of doing jump squats properly thats not my problem, thats yours.
@EddygPS3 they're not athletes, they're basketball players. I'm talking actual elite athletes. finely tuned track and field ones. I dont care that any nfl or nba player doesnt do it, their bodies probably couldn't handle it. and their sports don't demand it.
@EddygPS3 umm, yeah. basketball players arent athletes. im glad you're not a coach, you'd limit your athletes pretty substantially. everything in the gym isnt ideal for the human body, its weights we're not meant to carry. we're talking elite athletes, not personal trainers coaching fat people
I can only laugh at everyone that doesnt understand how your spine copes with this.
people, when he lands all the energy is absorbed by his legs. Hence why he bends his legs when he lands. With proper form and body mechanics all the energy is transferred into the ground via the feet. With improper form it could be absorbed by his knees. and if he landed with straight legs THAN his spine would absorb all that energy.
@dookization .... it's only 210lbs... if you are an experienced athlete and your weight coach tells you to never do these... then find a new fucking strength coach!
@dookization I know what Im talking about, its called physics and I'm pretty good at it (kind of my job actually). On top of that is Dynamics (another form of physics past physics 101) and whether its good for your spine or not what I explained is how the physics works.
Yes the spine still experiences stress but as long as the deceleration of the weight is substantial (via bending his knees when he lands) the stress his back experiences is no more than a 300lb squat.
@dookization Fine, MOST of the energy in his legs are absorbed. Yeesh.
Sorry professor I didn't know this exam was pass/fail.
I've done these once, with much lower weight, about 1.75 times less than body weight which for me is 95 lbs, which is all I'd ever recommend anyone to do (the factor, not the weight). I'd also never recommend anyone with less than a 4 or so years of lifting experience to do these. If someone wants to improve explosive strength, Cleans are just as good and a lot safer.
jump squats are actually really good for training.especially for throwers.yes it is risky sometimes but if you have control over the bar,weight,and your body you should be fine.
@cownuttz70 LOL you realize that Nate Robinson who is the highest jumper in the NBA has a 36 in vert? No WAY is yours even close. Mines 28 and that's considered WAY above average for a white male. I'd have to agree with 4 inches.
@dookization ps... if you think 36in verticle is the best jump in the NBA then you need to re-educate your self. My verticle normally is 28 and when I peak out for competition it has gone 34-36 inches. The verticle jumps in the NBA are in the 40+ inch range. If 36 is the best jump in the NBA then I am trying out for the fuking NBA! But I can't play a lick of B-ball.
@cownuttz70 There are tons of athletes that have over a 40" vertical. Just cause a NBA player has 36 doesn't mean thats the highest out there. Jacob Tucker for example has almost a 50" vertical jump at 5"10.
@dookization haha youran idiot i'm a 17 220 pound WHITE runningback and i have a 28 inch verticle and its considered above average for high school. I know kids who are in high school who have 37-38 inch verticles.
@dookization You can find average weight lifters on YouTube with 50 inch verticals... I lift with my legs about 3 times a week and I have a standing 30-34 inch vertical.... there's nothing spectacular about that.
@dookization wtf are you talking about? 36 in is not much, most NBA guys have that, and to be above average over 40+ is needed. Nate's is actually 43.5. So tired of stupid Americans speaking on anything from a volume of ignorance.
@1badmonster Ummmmm...... Nate's running vert is 43.5... standing is 36. Average NBA vert is 28. Moron. Use your brain before you make a stupid comment. And I'm Romanian Btw. So once again, your poor assumption makes you look even more pathetic.
@dookization nate robinson's standing vertical jump is 43.5 inches and it is not the highest in the nba. The highest vert basketball players are in the d-league and 28 is very average for an athletic white male stupid this guy has a lot of weight on him for his weight 28-36 in is very good.
This type of training is lunacy! Just because you can DO it, does not mean that it is good for you or that it will translate to better athletic or sports performances. You will get nothing but impact force trauma from your feet all the way to your neck! The ONLY thing you're doing right is the BODYWEIGHT jumps AFTER your squats.
@Next50On You ever here of Dr. Bundarchuk? Google him. This is his program. He also trains Dylan Armstrong with a pr of 70.4feet and my pr is 66.3ft. Our performance is the result of this training.
@tyronebiggim10 Never had any true knee pain or tendinitis. Now getting chop blocked in high school was a different story. Lifting is a controlled environment with my workouts being carefully planned out. If there is any issue with tenderness I will warm-up longer and ice after.
Before you go and do these I suggest doing a year of plyo work. Standing long jumps, double leg triple hops, hurdle jumps etc. Be careful and listen to your body.
@tyronebiggim10 Never had any true knee pain or tendinitis. Now getting chop blocked in high school was a different story. Lifting is a controlled environment with my workouts being carefully planned out. If there is any issue with tenderness I will warm-up longer and ice after.
Before you go and do these I suggest doing a year of plyo work. Standing long jumps, double leg triple hops, hurdle jumps etc. Be careful and listen to your body.
@cownuttz70 , those people are whinner and college history majors, lol, I had bad knee injury playing basketball literally all my ligaments are gone, but I still train with heavy squat ( btw 2 ~ 3 times body weight ) and my knee never feel better, your jump squat video is simply inspiring.
BEST VIDEO DESCRIPTION EVER. It made me chuckle. I wanna try to implement this into my workouts because I never do any weighted plyos, but at this point in the season it's probably not worth it to try.... thats what summer is for.
For those who would like to see how you actually measure this movement, search the YouTube video "Myotest Martin Reader", this is a Pro Beach Volleyball player that does this same Jump Squat to maximize power & explosiveness
As usual, there is a lot of mis-information (reading posts), but in this case...Squat Jumps are how you turn the strength work into Explosiveness & Power! To be fast, you need to move the barbell as fast as possible when training (referred to often as "speed training") . Granted that is a BIG load, but the point is well made!
im a hockey player and i do squats only 15 times a day with my weight 228 n use 126lbs total, bending all the way down till my knees are strb8, do u think dats good enuff? or what do u suggest for explosive and long endurance? plus i need to get in shape sometimes a weeks or 3 weeks b4 tournys, and do you know bout hamstring training? tell me something bout it...it would be gr8. tnx
It does a great job actually. I run track and we use this to develop our ROD (rate of force developement) in effect making us more powerfull. a bit like olympic lifting would.
As for the part about him not gaining any muscles, quite on the contrary hes developing verry powerfull muscles doing this movement
I rock the jump squats 3 times a week. not that much weight but i haven't felt any pain in my knees or back either. Good workout. I recommend it to anyone looking for explosiveness
i'd like to see what happens to this guy after doing this type of workout for 2-3 years...what happens 5 years down the road...i am sure his back and knees are destroyed... that would make a good video for youtube
@destine4hope Weight is 215lbs.. It gets heavy as the weeks go on... I do a 2 day on 1 day off routine for 4-5 weeks before the workout changes (can't wait to hear people complain about this approach!!LOL!). Before I did all type of training I started with a 28in vert and with 5 week program of sparking the nervous system I hit 34.5 inch vert and 2 weeks after that I hit 36.5 vert at 245lbs body weight. This was back in 05 at the NFL Scouting Combines.
I wouldn't suggest doing jump squats unless you can full squat 2x your body weight. What would be beneficial to you right now would be body weight jump squats, or holding a weight tucked at your chest jump squats, box jumps, standing long jumps, and olympic lifts. These will help develop power as you are gaining strength in the weight room.
I'm a 155 sprinter and ive gone up to 315lbs on the jump squats.
i think that jump squats just like plyos should not be done if you cant squat twice your weight, so i would wait untill you squat 310 to parallel before you start jump squats
balistics allows the athlete to go through the full range of motion without the opposing muscles activateing to slow the movement down at the end of the exercise
My exercises are used Depending on the time of year (cleans, jump squats, snatches, jumps, full squats, half squats etc). The Phase prior to peak phase is a jump squat routine.... It's only 215lbs in the bar. I don't consider it being dangerous or causing vertebral compression, injury etc. I have been doing this type of training since I was 14 and it has helped me get to where I am today in my sport.
@Wreckless64 I do cleans of all range of motions and dead Lifts. The videos you see of me are training at the Elite Level. These exercises are not for everyone. My body is conditioned to do this type of lifting. I have been lifting for 15 years with the last 8 being focused on my true potential. that is why this lifting is now incorporated.
@Wreckless64 It has no effects If you have a strong back. My chiropractor even told me. Deadlifts are pointless. Ballistics are what will make you powerful.
This exercise is efficient and directly relates to my best throws. 15 years of training, 8 years with a world ranking... I think I know what I am doing and got to a level where most don't question my training. US Nationals in Oregon This week. I will post what stations will be covering it. It' is usually ESPN & CBS.
Efficiency is how I got where I am.
ps... Don't squat anymore, Have not done an olympic lift over 225 pounds. All speed work w/ sport specific throws
Holy Hell. Thanks for the response. I just never got much out of this exercise myself and none of the throwers or highland game athletes I know ever do Jump Squats. But then again none of them are the same caliber athlete as you.
When you say you Don't Squat anymore, do you just mean you don't squat to parallel anymore, you don't squat with a normal bar, or just no squatting motion period?
when you leave the earth (jump squats, jumps, sprints,etc) or something leaves you (med ball throws, explosive bench- leaving your hands) you are working power. Power is strength + Speed. Power does not increase unless the object leaves your person. For instance, when someone benches they say your powerful but the bar is actually slowing down/decelerating when you get at the top. Only when the bar leaves the hands is it power. Jump squats are power, full range of motion squats are not power...
I use all types of lifting but once I get to the point of the year where I need to throw my furthest that is where Jump Squats come into play or clap push ups etc. It takes your over all strength and transforms it into something that is elastic, powerful and athletic. My actual strength decreases but by throws increase.
Power is Force over time. When an object leaves the body it becomes void of power. YOU are the power. The distance it travels is a byproduct of that power and that energy is ever decreasing against the force of gravity. It does not increase. I'm very shocked to learn that you mentioned an explosive bench press - leaving the hands. Truly shocking stuff.
exactly. You are producing a force that extends beyond the body. So your telling me that if I stood there and did med ball twists as fast as i could without throwing it and if I did med ball throws as fast as I could with throwing it that they are both the same thing? No, when full range of movement is completed its either staying with you or leavin you and this depends on how much energy you are putting out.
tell me then, what are the need for box jumps, med ball throws, sprints etc?
THROWING a med ball or even using the twist alone (without the throw). Now there's an idea! There's actually some movement replication going on now - with both.
Box jumps naturally carryover into the vertical jump utlising abs and hip flexors to bring the legsnto flexion.
You still haven't explained the need for leaving the floor. All this finishing jump is doing is proving that there's margin for greater ROM and or / poundage to work a proper conventional explosive squat.
Leaving the floor creates a further accleration. Just as box jumps carry over, so does the jump squat...hell, even more so. Also, it has much more to do with the nervous system. Certain methods of training are metabolic, other methods stimulate the nervous system...this particular method of training lights up the nervous system, accelerates through the entire ROM and produces coordination in the leg muscles that is needed to connect on a big throw (shot put), or a fast start, etc...
Bench press throws have been used for years by anyone stimulating their nervous system. Most bench press movements actually decelerate through the range of motion...a bench press throw actually accelerates. The faster you move something, the more power you can generate. It is more effective to bench throw 225 at 8+ meters per second than 315 at .75 meters per second...figure out that power equation.
power is force over time but in order to leave the ground with this amount of weight on the bar, a lot of force must be applied in a short amount of time. hes trying to increase the numerator(force) while keeping the denominator(time) as small as possible. thus he is working on his power.
to propel the mass into the air requires explosive strength all the way to lock out.that doesnt happen optimally with dynamic benches unless theyre with band resistance.The bench throw with a bar is dangerous I,wouldnt risk it.
the object doesnt have to leave your hands for max power to be developed,what about olympic lifts and variations,also you could use bands with the bar to allow accomodating resistance at the top of the bench.Full squats can be done for power if explosive intent is used,its just that it lacks acceleration at the very top.
Trains you to extend the hip, knee, and ankle joint explosively. The purpose isn't that much different from a hang clean, vertical jump, box jump, or broad jump.
In my opinion, Squat Jumps Kind of Suck. You're supposed to use very light weights for obvious safety reasons, so you can't exactly go heavy, set PRs, and try to break them.
This guy's success probably has a lot more to do with stuff like cleaning 410lbs and diligently practicing his throws than this lame exercise.
If you want to work explosive extension of the legs then you work the squat with a greater tempo. Leaving the floor is pointless and just places more emphasis on the calves. It's all about working with the squat at different speed.
Having X success in a sport doesn't warrant adopting stupid barbell training principles.
This "squat jump" is an irresponsible fad which doesn't relate to throwing in the slightest.
i respect your knowlege and am sorry if i sounded arrogant but i think we just have a disagreement of philosiphies. i am a sprinter. i believe that the work done in the weightroom is only to increase power. if i want to increase my quickness i will go on the track and do some explosive sprints. mixing the two is unnessesary and less effective in my opinion
what u say sounds great. but im sorry, your just wrong. u gain explosiveness in the weightroom through heavy weights. it trains the type B fast twitch muscles. the most explosive ones. the reason bball players can jump higher is because they weigh alot less and jumping has to do with genetic knee springiness and other factors
any type of heavy lifting is fast twitch. In other words, you're 100% wrong on this.You can do your squats as fast as you want, it makes ZERO difference, under heavy resistance it's fast twitch B fibers contracting. By squatting slowly, you are increasing strength and this allows greater force application while in the drive phase as well as greater force application overall.
In fact if you are squatting really fast, you are using too light weight and wont develop the necessary strength.
too much heavy lifting will make you slow, you need a combo of speed strength and strength speed. example you do heavy lifting all the time it's like press on glass you keep pushing and pushing but the glass won't break, you do speed strength acceleration x mass or jump squat you will explode through the glass like a punch.
i understand. since im a sprinter, id o my speed work on the track
also, i as i previously stated, squats and jump squats work the same type of muscle fibers. even if i just lifted heavy, i would increase my explosiveness as much as if i did jump squats. actually probally more
all resonably heavy squatting increases power. by the way, i dont only do really heavy lifting, but mostly heavy for maximum explosiveness and power
if u guys think im wrong. them how come an olympic sprinter(forgot his name, the best american 110 hurdler) does leg extensions in 25 seconds!!!!!! thats one rep. u guys are fooled by the false logic
now ,everybody knows that because pro athletes do something is no proof for its effectiveness,most of them are genetically gifted and doing a few leg extensions slowly isnt going to make them slower runners.
Dude, do you not know the definition of explosive? I know squats are good being done slow and controlled, but SLOW AND CONTROLLED is NOT explosive. Yes I know olympic sprinters squat... that doesn't make it an explosive exercise... if may help increase explosiveness power in the legs, but nevertheless, it's a power/strength exercise.
wrong, sprinters do slow and controlled lifts. they also do snatches and what not but u are completely wrong. all weightlifting works purely fast twitch muscles if its not really high reps. this is basic lifting knowlege. and what makes people explosive? fast twich muscles
Slow and controlled is the OPPOSITE of explosive. Maxing out on the squat is not "explosive." And there are two types of fast twitch fibers. Not all fast twitch muscles will make you explosive. Ronnie Coleman is full of fast twitch muscles, but he's VERY slow.
actually, a bodybuilder raced dwain chambers and ran extremely fast for his weight. the thing is, bodybuilders get different type of muscles but not because of the slow and controlled exercses. anyway, coleman could be very fast if he could run a mile without collapsing
bodybuilders do acquire more ft type 1 fibre due to the length of their sets and lack of explosive intent.Not sure what youre trying to say here.Running a mile has nothing to do with being explosive.Have actually studied exercise physiology?
i never said anything about running a mile. average and steady sets are just as explosive. this is a new trend that sounds good, but isnt at all scientifically backed up.
you must try to push the weight as fast as possible regardless of movement speed.Youll be doing this on max effort lifts anyway.Submax weights pushed without explosive intent dont build strength as efficiently.Have a look at pubmed.
the only reason a sprinter does deliberately slow moves is as a base for max strength and power.Of course lifting close to 1 rep max uses fast twitch muscles, nobody is arguing that.
michael jordan had 48 inch vertical.. a little more then 36, if my math is correct
colind547 2 months ago
@colind547 and nate robinsins IS way more then 36
colind547 2 months ago
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They do get hurt. When you move weight around ballistically, you can easily generate forces that can exceed your structural capability. I've seen seasoned weighlifters snap bones like twigs. If you know your limitations and perform correct technique, it's low risk, but if done wihout proper training and with a competent coach, it's just asking to get hurt..
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dnj86 5 months ago
you could fuck up ur lower back and be handecap for ur rest of ur life. be safe dumbass
Rebara 6 months ago
To EddygPs3 that's the same damn thing that bodybuilders say about snatch and power clean so let him be.
iKrackeD 6 months ago
@EddygPS3 so why does a top Soviet hammer coach who's athletes swept 4 non boycotted Olympics reccomend jump squats?
TheBruiser012 7 months ago
@EddygPS3 athletes are athletes. stop using basketball as an example, noone outside of the united states gives a shit about basketball. given you clearly only have an understanding of one sport and what they taught you at community college biomechanics 101, i think its best you don't voice you'r inept opinion. jump squats are small fry for track and field athletes, its a staple plyometric exercise. If your incapable of doing jump squats properly thats not my problem, thats yours.
triplestep1829 7 months ago
@EddygPS3 they're not athletes, they're basketball players. I'm talking actual elite athletes. finely tuned track and field ones. I dont care that any nfl or nba player doesnt do it, their bodies probably couldn't handle it. and their sports don't demand it.
triplestep1829 7 months ago
@EddygPS3 umm, yeah. basketball players arent athletes. im glad you're not a coach, you'd limit your athletes pretty substantially. everything in the gym isnt ideal for the human body, its weights we're not meant to carry. we're talking elite athletes, not personal trainers coaching fat people
triplestep1829 7 months ago
@EddygPS3 if you're an elite athlete you can do stuff like this though
triplestep1829 7 months ago
@EddygPS3 unless you're an elite athlete
triplestep1829 7 months ago
FEELING FROGGY?
pellepellecorps 7 months ago
umm iam pretty sure this is bad for you ..
KrazyPeepProductionz 8 months ago
i dont think people realise that bodybuilders and those kind of people have really high verts, averaging about 35 inches
chooseit2 10 months ago
I can only laugh at everyone that doesnt understand how your spine copes with this.
people, when he lands all the energy is absorbed by his legs. Hence why he bends his legs when he lands. With proper form and body mechanics all the energy is transferred into the ground via the feet. With improper form it could be absorbed by his knees. and if he landed with straight legs THAN his spine would absorb all that energy.
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization .... it's only 210lbs... if you are an experienced athlete and your weight coach tells you to never do these... then find a new fucking strength coach!
cownuttz70 11 months ago
@dookization I know what Im talking about, its called physics and I'm pretty good at it (kind of my job actually). On top of that is Dynamics (another form of physics past physics 101) and whether its good for your spine or not what I explained is how the physics works.
Yes the spine still experiences stress but as long as the deceleration of the weight is substantial (via bending his knees when he lands) the stress his back experiences is no more than a 300lb squat.
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization Fine, MOST of the energy in his legs are absorbed. Yeesh.
Sorry professor I didn't know this exam was pass/fail.
I've done these once, with much lower weight, about 1.75 times less than body weight which for me is 95 lbs, which is all I'd ever recommend anyone to do (the factor, not the weight). I'd also never recommend anyone with less than a 4 or so years of lifting experience to do these. If someone wants to improve explosive strength, Cleans are just as good and a lot safer.
HazenMire 11 months ago
Great video!
papeluso 1 year ago
Just painful knowing what this exercise did for a close friend of mine. Yikes!
jumba146 1 year ago
Try to hold two plates from both sides and squat jump for 10 times.
jukcoder 1 year ago
Luke 1:37
For nothing is impossible with God."
PreachersOfChrist 1 year ago
shit how do you do that without fucking up your back ? still awesome grate job
reapersnake878 1 year ago
And i was wondering if you have ever checked your vertical..but i checked the comment below! Really great work sir! Lots of respect!! Keep it strong!
freaknick250 1 year ago
How much is on the bar? Nice smooth jump
cheapdieseler 1 year ago
wow, that looks scary =o
OpaSann0 1 year ago
jump squats are actually really good for training.especially for throwers.yes it is risky sometimes but if you have control over the bar,weight,and your body you should be fine.
lukewiggy13 1 year ago
that cant be smart
888promaster 1 year ago
wth squat lower!
DawnIncognito 1 year ago
@DawnIncognito only working 1/4 range of motion here then full range of motion jumps following the jump squats.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@cownuttz70
dont worry about him, hes a hater
CRizzle75 4 months ago
@DawnIncognito I think 1/4 range jump squats are better for vertical jump training because you wouldn't do a full squat before jumping
MrOdsplut 7 months ago
Sweet jump squats dude I bet your vertical is like 4 inches
cmaggiulli 1 year ago
@cmaggiulli at peak 36-37 at regular training post and pre season 28
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@cownuttz70 LOL you realize that Nate Robinson who is the highest jumper in the NBA has a 36 in vert? No WAY is yours even close. Mines 28 and that's considered WAY above average for a white male. I'd have to agree with 4 inches.
dookization 11 months ago
@dookization ps... if you think 36in verticle is the best jump in the NBA then you need to re-educate your self. My verticle normally is 28 and when I peak out for competition it has gone 34-36 inches. The verticle jumps in the NBA are in the 40+ inch range. If 36 is the best jump in the NBA then I am trying out for the fuking NBA! But I can't play a lick of B-ball.
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dookization 11 months ago
@cownuttz70 let him say his bullshit, he thinks he's smart. don't listen to him keep trainig hard dude. very nice jumps btw
psolarhidi 11 months ago
@cownuttz70 There are tons of athletes that have over a 40" vertical. Just cause a NBA player has 36 doesn't mean thats the highest out there. Jacob Tucker for example has almost a 50" vertical jump at 5"10.
Thanhphong 5 months ago
@dookization
You, sir, are an idiot.
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization I'm being serious about how funny your comments are.
viperscout 11 months ago
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization Because you're dishing out more comments than the owner of the video.
viperscout 11 months ago
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dookization 11 months ago
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K? Good for me. And I should care because?
viperscout 11 months ago
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be replying to my comments. And I'm no "scrub." :\
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dookization 11 months ago
@dookization
Keep telling yourself that. ;)
viperscout 11 months ago
@dookization haha youran idiot i'm a 17 220 pound WHITE runningback and i have a 28 inch verticle and its considered above average for high school. I know kids who are in high school who have 37-38 inch verticles.
studfullback 10 months ago
@dookization your an idiot haha I have a 28 inch verticle and i'm a 17 year old white male... and its considered average among athletes...
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dookization 10 months ago
@dookization nate robinson's vertical is above 40
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dookization 9 months ago
@dookization Dude, the highest vert in the NBA is like 4 feet, and it's NOT Nate Robinson.
RandomStevie 9 months ago
@dookization You can find average weight lifters on YouTube with 50 inch verticals... I lift with my legs about 3 times a week and I have a standing 30-34 inch vertical.... there's nothing spectacular about that.
meyerlifts 9 months ago
@dookization wtf are you talking about? 36 in is not much, most NBA guys have that, and to be above average over 40+ is needed. Nate's is actually 43.5. So tired of stupid Americans speaking on anything from a volume of ignorance.
1badmonster 6 months ago
@1badmonster Ummmmm...... Nate's running vert is 43.5... standing is 36. Average NBA vert is 28. Moron. Use your brain before you make a stupid comment. And I'm Romanian Btw. So once again, your poor assumption makes you look even more pathetic.
dookization 6 months ago
@dookization 36??? Dude, I'm sure it's probably around 40-42 inches
5till13lazin 5 months ago
@5till13lazin 36 standing, 43 running.
dookization 5 months ago
@dookization nate robinson's standing vertical jump is 43.5 inches and it is not the highest in the nba. The highest vert basketball players are in the d-league and 28 is very average for an athletic white male stupid this guy has a lot of weight on him for his weight 28-36 in is very good.
TheDTNOVA 2 months ago
@dookization nate robinson is definitely not the highest jumper in the nba
DoDgErAmSrBeAsT94 3 weeks ago
salute to my hero
poidsfi 1 year ago
idiot, idiot, idiot!
P3TI100 1 year ago
This type of training is lunacy! Just because you can DO it, does not mean that it is good for you or that it will translate to better athletic or sports performances. You will get nothing but impact force trauma from your feet all the way to your neck! The ONLY thing you're doing right is the BODYWEIGHT jumps AFTER your squats.
Next50On 1 year ago
@Next50On You ever here of Dr. Bundarchuk? Google him. This is his program. He also trains Dylan Armstrong with a pr of 70.4feet and my pr is 66.3ft. Our performance is the result of this training.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
i do it with 315lbs, but when i jump i sit down in a 90 degree angle. feels kinda good haha
T3hTroll 1 year ago
this is a correct jump squat?? O.o
christian85roma 1 year ago
thanks for sharing
fuckabledude 1 year ago
Does this hurt your knees in anyway? I have been doing squats for years now, but havent had the guts to try jump squats because of my sore knees.
Care to indulge your thoughts or experiences on this?
tyronebiggim10 1 year ago
@tyronebiggim10 Never had any true knee pain or tendinitis. Now getting chop blocked in high school was a different story. Lifting is a controlled environment with my workouts being carefully planned out. If there is any issue with tenderness I will warm-up longer and ice after.
Before you go and do these I suggest doing a year of plyo work. Standing long jumps, double leg triple hops, hurdle jumps etc. Be careful and listen to your body.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@tyronebiggim10 Never had any true knee pain or tendinitis. Now getting chop blocked in high school was a different story. Lifting is a controlled environment with my workouts being carefully planned out. If there is any issue with tenderness I will warm-up longer and ice after.
Before you go and do these I suggest doing a year of plyo work. Standing long jumps, double leg triple hops, hurdle jumps etc. Be careful and listen to your body.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@cownuttz70 , those people are whinner and college history majors, lol, I had bad knee injury playing basketball literally all my ligaments are gone, but I still train with heavy squat ( btw 2 ~ 3 times body weight ) and my knee never feel better, your jump squat video is simply inspiring.
poidsfi 1 year ago
BEST VIDEO DESCRIPTION EVER. It made me chuckle. I wanna try to implement this into my workouts because I never do any weighted plyos, but at this point in the season it's probably not worth it to try.... thats what summer is for.
bigjoshscherer 1 year ago
@bigjoshscherer Thanks! Yeah no knee injury here either.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
For those who would like to see how you actually measure this movement, search the YouTube video "Myotest Martin Reader", this is a Pro Beach Volleyball player that does this same Jump Squat to maximize power & explosiveness
srdamman 1 year ago
FYI, it's the Canadian Sports Centre video
srdamman 1 year ago
@srdamman
Typically want to use 20-30% of 1 rep max and only use it with advanced athletes in low reps.
SadegoGG 1 year ago
As usual, there is a lot of mis-information (reading posts), but in this case...Squat Jumps are how you turn the strength work into Explosiveness & Power! To be fast, you need to move the barbell as fast as possible when training (referred to often as "speed training") . Granted that is a BIG load, but the point is well made!
srdamman 1 year ago
im a hockey player and i do squats only 15 times a day with my weight 228 n use 126lbs total, bending all the way down till my knees are strb8, do u think dats good enuff? or what do u suggest for explosive and long endurance? plus i need to get in shape sometimes a weeks or 3 weeks b4 tournys, and do you know bout hamstring training? tell me something bout it...it would be gr8. tnx
cowlerzz 1 year ago
What's that song?
saprykin4 1 year ago
it's four none blondes
cownuttz70 1 year ago
thx :)
saprykin4 1 year ago
i dnt care if it hurts you or not.but what the hell is this spose to do for you?i dnt see it making you gaining any musscels
EG2ReMpTiOn10 1 year ago
@EG2ReMpTiOn10
It does a great job actually. I run track and we use this to develop our ROD (rate of force developement) in effect making us more powerfull. a bit like olympic lifting would.
As for the part about him not gaining any muscles, quite on the contrary hes developing verry powerfull muscles doing this movement
11clemmi 1 year ago
Not about gaining muscle. It's about making the muscle efficient as possible.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
its for power not muscle.
turnbacktime 1 year ago
It's always weird to see a thick muscular man that is able to jump. Usually it's those slender athletes who can hop.
Impressive!
destine4hope 1 year ago
I rock the jump squats 3 times a week. not that much weight but i haven't felt any pain in my knees or back either. Good workout. I recommend it to anyone looking for explosiveness
cbouts519 2 years ago
i'd like to see what happens to this guy after doing this type of workout for 2-3 years...what happens 5 years down the road...i am sure his back and knees are destroyed... that would make a good video for youtube
jackandcokeyummy 2 years ago
@jackandcokeyummy been doing these workouts for 10+ years. I am just fine... no injuries
cownuttz70 2 years ago
liar
jackandcokeyummy 2 years ago
@cownuttz70
That's awesome man. How much weight is that?
Have you ever measured your vertical?
destine4hope 1 year ago
@destine4hope Weight is 215lbs.. It gets heavy as the weeks go on... I do a 2 day on 1 day off routine for 4-5 weeks before the workout changes (can't wait to hear people complain about this approach!!LOL!). Before I did all type of training I started with a 28in vert and with 5 week program of sparking the nervous system I hit 34.5 inch vert and 2 weeks after that I hit 36.5 vert at 245lbs body weight. This was back in 05 at the NFL Scouting Combines.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
That's crazy man! I admire your hard work.
destine4hope 1 year ago
@cownuttz70
what would you recommend for a 155 sprinter who only does about 180lb squat atm?
pwwnsaucedat 1 year ago
I wouldn't suggest doing jump squats unless you can full squat 2x your body weight. What would be beneficial to you right now would be body weight jump squats, or holding a weight tucked at your chest jump squats, box jumps, standing long jumps, and olympic lifts. These will help develop power as you are gaining strength in the weight room.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@pwwnsaucedat
I'm a 155 sprinter and ive gone up to 315lbs on the jump squats.
i think that jump squats just like plyos should not be done if you cant squat twice your weight, so i would wait untill you squat 310 to parallel before you start jump squats
11clemmi 1 year ago
nice lift, and way to understand what your doing and why your doing it!
OperationMachinima 2 years ago
that shit looks like it would make you fast but must be so hard on ur knees, i only do plyos 2 times a week for that reason
naraku127 2 years ago
balistics allows the athlete to go through the full range of motion without the opposing muscles activateing to slow the movement down at the end of the exercise
superman0951 2 years ago
this is a stupid and dangerous exercise. Why not do cleans instead?
Or explosive deadlifts even?
Can you imagine the pressure the spine will have to endure?
Wreckless64 2 years ago
Check my page.. .I do do cleans
cownuttz70 2 years ago
Good for you, but that's not the point.
The question is, why would you risk hurting your spine with this exercise when there are others, like the clean, with less risk and greater benefit?
Wreckless64 2 years ago
My exercises are used Depending on the time of year (cleans, jump squats, snatches, jumps, full squats, half squats etc). The Phase prior to peak phase is a jump squat routine.... It's only 215lbs in the bar. I don't consider it being dangerous or causing vertebral compression, injury etc. I have been doing this type of training since I was 14 and it has helped me get to where I am today in my sport.
cownuttz70 2 years ago
@Wreckless64 I do cleans of all range of motions and dead Lifts. The videos you see of me are training at the Elite Level. These exercises are not for everyone. My body is conditioned to do this type of lifting. I have been lifting for 15 years with the last 8 being focused on my true potential. that is why this lifting is now incorporated.
cownuttz70 1 year ago
@Wreckless64 It has no effects If you have a strong back. My chiropractor even told me. Deadlifts are pointless. Ballistics are what will make you powerful.
7tylerjb 1 year ago
@Wreckless64 you need to study fisiology
fogonabomba2 1 year ago
@fogonabomba2 you need to learn how to spell the word.
Wreckless64 1 year ago
@Wreckless64
It can be that he is an olympic weightlifter.
GrinderFX 1 year ago
he can jump good, as samurai jack would say
DemonosZXZ 2 years ago
wake in the morning and i step outside take a deep breath and i get real high, whats going o
ssssssspps 2 years ago
can u dunk?
Lolercopterz 2 years ago
Of course! That weight is equal to less than pounds of force he generate at vertical. Just jumping 1 inches with that is great!
VaginaTastesLikeWine 2 years ago
this can dangerous though if not done right
Monmorter 2 years ago
its an amazing lift but it must kill your spine.
Shadapaga 2 years ago
shouldn't you go lower when you squat? I heard your legs should be below parrallel
Mattashi 2 years ago
its not a full squat for this lift
tyleronni 2 years ago
It's an excercise used by throwing atheletes, not bodybuilders or comp. lifters. The point is to increase explosiveness.
drquads 2 years ago
oh alright
Mattashi 2 years ago
brilliant
marxistsoldier 2 years ago
This exercise is efficient and directly relates to my best throws. 15 years of training, 8 years with a world ranking... I think I know what I am doing and got to a level where most don't question my training. US Nationals in Oregon This week. I will post what stations will be covering it. It' is usually ESPN & CBS.
Efficiency is how I got where I am.
ps... Don't squat anymore, Have not done an olympic lift over 225 pounds. All speed work w/ sport specific throws
cownuttz70 2 years ago
Holy Hell. Thanks for the response. I just never got much out of this exercise myself and none of the throwers or highland game athletes I know ever do Jump Squats. But then again none of them are the same caliber athlete as you.
When you say you Don't Squat anymore, do you just mean you don't squat to parallel anymore, you don't squat with a normal bar, or just no squatting motion period?
ptarleton 2 years ago
Please explain how this movement carries over to throwing.
thefrequencykenneth 2 years ago
when you leave the earth (jump squats, jumps, sprints,etc) or something leaves you (med ball throws, explosive bench- leaving your hands) you are working power. Power is strength + Speed. Power does not increase unless the object leaves your person. For instance, when someone benches they say your powerful but the bar is actually slowing down/decelerating when you get at the top. Only when the bar leaves the hands is it power. Jump squats are power, full range of motion squats are not power...
cownuttz70 2 years ago
I use all types of lifting but once I get to the point of the year where I need to throw my furthest that is where Jump Squats come into play or clap push ups etc. It takes your over all strength and transforms it into something that is elastic, powerful and athletic. My actual strength decreases but by throws increase.
cownuttz70 2 years ago
Power is Force over time. When an object leaves the body it becomes void of power. YOU are the power. The distance it travels is a byproduct of that power and that energy is ever decreasing against the force of gravity. It does not increase. I'm very shocked to learn that you mentioned an explosive bench press - leaving the hands. Truly shocking stuff.
thefrequencykenneth 2 years ago
exactly. You are producing a force that extends beyond the body. So your telling me that if I stood there and did med ball twists as fast as i could without throwing it and if I did med ball throws as fast as I could with throwing it that they are both the same thing? No, when full range of movement is completed its either staying with you or leavin you and this depends on how much energy you are putting out.
tell me then, what are the need for box jumps, med ball throws, sprints etc?
cownuttz70 2 years ago
THROWING a med ball or even using the twist alone (without the throw). Now there's an idea! There's actually some movement replication going on now - with both.
Box jumps naturally carryover into the vertical jump utlising abs and hip flexors to bring the legsnto flexion.
You still haven't explained the need for leaving the floor. All this finishing jump is doing is proving that there's margin for greater ROM and or / poundage to work a proper conventional explosive squat.
thefrequencykenneth 2 years ago
Leaving the floor creates a further accleration. Just as box jumps carry over, so does the jump squat...hell, even more so. Also, it has much more to do with the nervous system. Certain methods of training are metabolic, other methods stimulate the nervous system...this particular method of training lights up the nervous system, accelerates through the entire ROM and produces coordination in the leg muscles that is needed to connect on a big throw (shot put), or a fast start, etc...
chiyodiz 2 years ago
Bench press throws have been used for years by anyone stimulating their nervous system. Most bench press movements actually decelerate through the range of motion...a bench press throw actually accelerates. The faster you move something, the more power you can generate. It is more effective to bench throw 225 at 8+ meters per second than 315 at .75 meters per second...figure out that power equation.
chiyodiz 2 years ago
power is force over time but in order to leave the ground with this amount of weight on the bar, a lot of force must be applied in a short amount of time. hes trying to increase the numerator(force) while keeping the denominator(time) as small as possible. thus he is working on his power.
bsktballaz 2 years ago
to propel the mass into the air requires explosive strength all the way to lock out.that doesnt happen optimally with dynamic benches unless theyre with band resistance.The bench throw with a bar is dangerous I,wouldnt risk it.
billysue2 2 years ago
omg! u r powerful!
fukyeah89 2 years ago
the object doesnt have to leave your hands for max power to be developed,what about olympic lifts and variations,also you could use bands with the bar to allow accomodating resistance at the top of the bench.Full squats can be done for power if explosive intent is used,its just that it lacks acceleration at the very top.
billysue2 2 years ago
what does this do for the body?
dominicanballer717 2 years ago
Trains you to extend the hip, knee, and ankle joint explosively. The purpose isn't that much different from a hang clean, vertical jump, box jump, or broad jump.
In my opinion, Squat Jumps Kind of Suck. You're supposed to use very light weights for obvious safety reasons, so you can't exactly go heavy, set PRs, and try to break them.
This guy's success probably has a lot more to do with stuff like cleaning 410lbs and diligently practicing his throws than this lame exercise.
ptarleton 2 years ago
Agreed.
DE squats do that through a greater ROM.
If you want to work explosive extension of the legs then you work the squat with a greater tempo. Leaving the floor is pointless and just places more emphasis on the calves. It's all about working with the squat at different speed.
Having X success in a sport doesn't warrant adopting stupid barbell training principles.
This "squat jump" is an irresponsible fad which doesn't relate to throwing in the slightest.
thefrequencykenneth 2 years ago
Legs speed and power
AlexCoC3 2 years ago
i respect your knowlege and am sorry if i sounded arrogant but i think we just have a disagreement of philosiphies. i am a sprinter. i believe that the work done in the weightroom is only to increase power. if i want to increase my quickness i will go on the track and do some explosive sprints. mixing the two is unnessesary and less effective in my opinion
joecandito 2 years ago
feel free to ask questions
joecandito 2 years ago
hello,
what u say sounds great. but im sorry, your just wrong. u gain explosiveness in the weightroom through heavy weights. it trains the type B fast twitch muscles. the most explosive ones. the reason bball players can jump higher is because they weigh alot less and jumping has to do with genetic knee springiness and other factors
joecandito 2 years ago
wow....thats incredible man thats alot of weight!
john3047X 2 years ago
any type of heavy lifting is fast twitch. In other words, you're 100% wrong on this.You can do your squats as fast as you want, it makes ZERO difference, under heavy resistance it's fast twitch B fibers contracting. By squatting slowly, you are increasing strength and this allows greater force application while in the drive phase as well as greater force application overall.
In fact if you are squatting really fast, you are using too light weight and wont develop the necessary strength.
joecandito 2 years ago
man stop posting your information. You are giving people bad info...
Do this simple test. Squat heavy for 4 weeks then test your verticle
Squat for speed for 4 weeks then test your verticle
results don't lie
cownuttz70 2 years ago
listen man, here's what it comes down to.
yur a freakin beast genetically
you work extremely hard
thats why you are such a beast. im sayin this excercise is unneccessary and less efficent.
if i squated regular for 4 weeks my vert would go up alot.
joecandito 2 years ago
great jumps
speedstrengthathlete 2 years ago
too much heavy lifting will make you slow, you need a combo of speed strength and strength speed. example you do heavy lifting all the time it's like press on glass you keep pushing and pushing but the glass won't break, you do speed strength acceleration x mass or jump squat you will explode through the glass like a punch.
speedstrengthathlete 2 years ago
i understand. since im a sprinter, id o my speed work on the track
also, i as i previously stated, squats and jump squats work the same type of muscle fibers. even if i just lifted heavy, i would increase my explosiveness as much as if i did jump squats. actually probally more
all resonably heavy squatting increases power. by the way, i dont only do really heavy lifting, but mostly heavy for maximum explosiveness and power
joecandito 2 years ago
wow jaja but the bar hurts doesnt it?¿
CEJMeduardo 2 years ago
How much weight? I'm not familiar with olympic colors nor can i see how many plates.
I do these too except with a dumbbell in each hand because I'd probably fall with a bar!
Good form and jump height btw.
elixirnova 2 years ago
about 210 25% of my max squat
cownuttz70 2 years ago
if u guys think im wrong. them how come an olympic sprinter(forgot his name, the best american 110 hurdler) does leg extensions in 25 seconds!!!!!! thats one rep. u guys are fooled by the false logic
joecandito 2 years ago
We never said the exercise wouldn't increase sprint speed, but an exercise that takes 25 seconds is in no way explosive.
GosuTricks 2 years ago
now ,everybody knows that because pro athletes do something is no proof for its effectiveness,most of them are genetically gifted and doing a few leg extensions slowly isnt going to make them slower runners.
billysue2 2 years ago
Dude, do you not know the definition of explosive? I know squats are good being done slow and controlled, but SLOW AND CONTROLLED is NOT explosive. Yes I know olympic sprinters squat... that doesn't make it an explosive exercise... if may help increase explosiveness power in the legs, but nevertheless, it's a power/strength exercise.
GosuTricks 2 years ago
wrong, sprinters do slow and controlled lifts. they also do snatches and what not but u are completely wrong. all weightlifting works purely fast twitch muscles if its not really high reps. this is basic lifting knowlege. and what makes people explosive? fast twich muscles
joecandito 2 years ago
Slow and controlled is the OPPOSITE of explosive. Maxing out on the squat is not "explosive." And there are two types of fast twitch fibers. Not all fast twitch muscles will make you explosive. Ronnie Coleman is full of fast twitch muscles, but he's VERY slow.
GosuTricks 2 years ago
actually, a bodybuilder raced dwain chambers and ran extremely fast for his weight. the thing is, bodybuilders get different type of muscles but not because of the slow and controlled exercses. anyway, coleman could be very fast if he could run a mile without collapsing
joecandito 2 years ago
There's a video of him losing a race to an out of shape guy somewhere... the race is like 1/8 of a mile.
GosuTricks 2 years ago
bodybuilders do acquire more ft type 1 fibre due to the length of their sets and lack of explosive intent.Not sure what youre trying to say here.Running a mile has nothing to do with being explosive.Have actually studied exercise physiology?
billysue2 2 years ago
i never said anything about running a mile. average and steady sets are just as explosive. this is a new trend that sounds good, but isnt at all scientifically backed up.
joecandito 2 years ago
you must try to push the weight as fast as possible regardless of movement speed.Youll be doing this on max effort lifts anyway.Submax weights pushed without explosive intent dont build strength as efficiently.Have a look at pubmed.
billysue2 2 years ago
that sounds good what you just said...
but sadly that theory is scientifically way off.
nice try though
joecandito 2 years ago
it was 60 yards
joecandito 2 years ago
@joecandito mate, Dwain Chambers lost to a white guy - and Dwain was the one on the juice
TheBruiser012 6 months ago
@TheBruiser012 Dwain Chambers is a lad shup.
spt439 6 months ago
@spt439 yeah, but he lost to the white guy, a French white guy.
TheBruiser012 6 months ago
the only reason a sprinter does deliberately slow moves is as a base for max strength and power.Of course lifting close to 1 rep max uses fast twitch muscles, nobody is arguing that.
billysue2 2 years ago 2
by close to 1 rep max, i mean under 30 reps. that the truth whether u want to believe it or not
joecandito 2 years ago
close to 1 rep max would be just that,30 rep max is a long way from that and would produce very different training effects
billysue2 2 years ago
DUDE STOP DOING THAT.
that is the dumbest thing to do. ur fonna injure yourself.jump squats dont help more than regular squats
joecandito 2 years ago
It's an explosive exercise. Squat's aren't the same.
GosuTricks 2 years ago
wrong. squats are explosive. all weightlifting is explosive. all work the ast twitch muscles
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