Ferneyhough writes of "creating a dynamically fertile perspectival multiplicity which would both intensify momentary expression and negate any tendency to dissociate the fragile contingency of local events and larger-scale formal organization from the effortful work involved in traversing (rather, that is, than leaping over) the disturbingly unstable and eruptive landscape of middleground speculation."
Pffffhh!! - and there was me thinking his music was just contrived shite.
As mathematician I can construct a work so complex, it'd make Brian sound like phone jingles: eg repeated fast notes, where the right hand is slightly faster than the left, where the left and right collide, or drift apart again: to create ultra-low frequency oscillations, of shifting density (am I already sounding like Ferneyhough?) Add complex multi-level nested tuplets and a special graph notation: the duration of one note to the next is obtained by integrating the graph between the notes. etc
Brian Ferneyhough - the king of "Darmstädter Ferienkurse":
Overflowing with uptight singles who desperately try to give the "new-music" cause (and themselves) a sense of worth, by indulging in unbiased "self congratulatory" flattery for all things extreme...
(while wishing to get a place in a course with one of the big names)
...we have among them the supreme king Ferneyhough, who shows talent is not needed -just package your constructions with pretentious philosophical spice & academic-speak.
Brilliant comment. Of course he's just stacking numbers. He says about software "I do tend to use it in terms of the rhythmic structure" and goes on "on the local scale, it's very much a sort of mechanistic procedure".
@ JonathonNotely - the rhythms Ferneyhough explains in the first part of the clip aren't at all "unrelated", they're just those of the top line of the music, without the (admittedly much more complicated) bottom line
By discussing the RHYTHMS of HIS OWN COMPOSITION he probably thinks he is the COMPOSER. Oh, wait a second, I have the score to Bone Alphabet right here and guess what? He is the composer!!! What he is doing is explaining how he would count his own music. He's not an asshole about it, either. If you follow the score with this video, it's really amazing that Ferneyhough knows exactly how to count these irrational rhythms. He truely understands what he is composing. It's not just arbitrary.
Who does he think he is?Discussing rhythm with percussionists!
I wonder if he even understands the tuplets-notation that he uses... seeing how he is here busy trying to explain the rhythm, but ends up showing unrelated, simple linear beats.
So Ferneyhough's FIDELITY to himself: absolute zero.Complete Fail.
But.. even if Ferneyhough were capable of giving (not a literal, but a) "fidelious" performance of the rhythm; it's still not my def.of music - click on my channel to see why
@JonathonNotely By the way, I read your poorly written channel. You suck at criticism (if your blather can be called as such). You don't present (or demonstrate) a valid viewpoint on either music, aesthetics or art (or philosophy for that matter). You just demonstrate your complete ignorance of music composition(much less XXc music) I am not sure if your ignorance is due to your stupidity or just another of your features.
@JonathonNotely True. The rhythms that Ferneyhough sings in the video, can be notated with a quarter note, an eighth note and perhaps the odd sixteenth and dotted note.
By the way: I wonder if he's someone's grandpa? He sounds so lovable when he's explaining things.
@JonathonNotely why wouldnt he explain the rhythm to the precussionists if they are doing it wrong.... and also... if you see that the musicians arent able to do what u want... then you have no other choise than to simplify things for them....
@JonathonNotely if that is the definition of music and composing (as seen on your channel), then I am happy to not compose. I am happy to be anti-intuitive (though I would beg to differ). I am happy to be anti-artistic. The music before the 20th century is fantastic—among my favorite—but to dismiss 20th centruy music on 19th century conceptual grounds is irrational. This is our world, and those ancient people are dead.
I appreciate hearing his thoughts on the dissonance of the rhythms and the disjunction of irrational numbers, especially when they do not share a common downbeat. Reminds me of the conversation between Boulez and Cage in their correspondence from the 50s on the topic of chance and discrete notation. Is it important to control the "random effect" or to let it happen?
He knows what he wants and can demonstrate what he wants. Impressive. Thank you for posting this, pprommel.
these rythms are pretty easy compared to lemma-icon-epigram or parts of transcendentals . He knows exactly what he wants. what school is he that wants such things. Toovey is easy in comparison . comparable to Xenakis' engineering stochastic masses.
I heard a similar piece played by drainage workmen on assorted hammers and shovels while stuck in roadworks on the A27 Chichester bypass on 22 July 2005. They appeared to be playing without sheet music, having committed the piece to memory - a staggering achievement - though at one point the foreman shouted to a young lad "Keep up, ye fookin slacker!!", indicative of the immense challenges faced by even these seasoned Ferneyhoughian contrapuntalists.
@fremsley001 Do you have the slightest inking of how utterly stupid this remark is? You reveal nothing other than the poverty of your musical experience.
It makes me wonder how much of this piece was just a random combination of notes and overlapping tuplets just for the sake of fucking with the performer...
It seems fairly obvious that it is absolutely not random in the slightest as the composer is explaining what is wanted from the performer to quite a great degree.
I believe that the composer has a good idea what he is headed for, nonetheless the working experimentation can become the part of any sound exploration. If every composer knew precisely what they were going to get right from the start would there actually be any point in doing something.
A very similar effect could be achieved by improvising, but this is obviously a tremendous exercise in rhythm. If ýou can play this, the world is open for you, rhythmically speaking
i love how he asks the player, who as obviously learned the piece, if he's aware the the rhythm in the upper part of bar 1 is on the beat. you know, as if someone who had grappled with the complexities of the score was somehow unaware of this. thanks, brian!!!!!!
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Ok, so how does the melody he sings at 1:09 sound anything like the thing that the percussionist plays immediately afterword at 1:20? Worst composer ever.
Ferneyhough is boss. Haters are just mad cause they're confused.
AfroDeezeeYak 1 month ago 3
"Ok guys, Tumpty tum tum-pty tum tum-ty tum tum. Yes, it is 3/4 but just keep schtum, my academic tenure depends on this being hyper complex."
egapnala65 2 months ago
Mr. FraudyHuff's singing won't get him on X-Factor.
ukdavepianoman 3 months ago
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restringking 6 months ago
Ferneyhough writes of "creating a dynamically fertile perspectival multiplicity which would both intensify momentary expression and negate any tendency to dissociate the fragile contingency of local events and larger-scale formal organization from the effortful work involved in traversing (rather, that is, than leaping over) the disturbingly unstable and eruptive landscape of middleground speculation."
Pffffhh!! - and there was me thinking his music was just contrived shite.
fremsley001 7 months ago 6
@fremsley001 It's this kind of verbal diarrhoea that makes me very suspicious of Ferneyhuffandputf. I think "contrived shite" sums it up rather well.
ukdavepianoman 3 months ago
As mathematician I can construct a work so complex, it'd make Brian sound like phone jingles: eg repeated fast notes, where the right hand is slightly faster than the left, where the left and right collide, or drift apart again: to create ultra-low frequency oscillations, of shifting density (am I already sounding like Ferneyhough?) Add complex multi-level nested tuplets and a special graph notation: the duration of one note to the next is obtained by integrating the graph between the notes. etc
redlanhaley4 8 months ago 9
Brian Ferneyhough - the king of "Darmstädter Ferienkurse":
Overflowing with uptight singles who desperately try to give the "new-music" cause (and themselves) a sense of worth, by indulging in unbiased "self congratulatory" flattery for all things extreme...
(while wishing to get a place in a course with one of the big names)
...we have among them the supreme king Ferneyhough, who shows talent is not needed -just package your constructions with pretentious philosophical spice & academic-speak.
redlanhaley4 8 months ago 11
4:17 are the percussionists saying "oh fuck"??
mrbbartok 9 months ago
I wonder if Ferneyhough has a true haptic grasp of these polyrhythms, otherwise he's just stacking numbers
OriginellerUserName 9 months ago 4
@OriginellerUserName "Ferneyhough ... he's just stacking numbers"
Brilliant comment. Of course he's just stacking numbers. He says about software "I do tend to use it in terms of the rhythmic structure" and goes on "on the local scale, it's very much a sort of mechanistic procedure".
redlanhaley4 8 months ago 10
This is a dry form of slapstick.
evesfilm 10 months ago
What pretentious bullshit. 21st Century Classical Music is worthless!
CrackSnortingSailor 10 months ago
@ JonathonNotely - the rhythms Ferneyhough explains in the first part of the clip aren't at all "unrelated", they're just those of the top line of the music, without the (admittedly much more complicated) bottom line
domlash 1 year ago
By discussing the RHYTHMS of HIS OWN COMPOSITION he probably thinks he is the COMPOSER. Oh, wait a second, I have the score to Bone Alphabet right here and guess what? He is the composer!!! What he is doing is explaining how he would count his own music. He's not an asshole about it, either. If you follow the score with this video, it's really amazing that Ferneyhough knows exactly how to count these irrational rhythms. He truely understands what he is composing. It's not just arbitrary.
bodyslut666 1 year ago 3
Ah Ferneyhough
Who does he think he is?Discussing rhythm with percussionists!
I wonder if he even understands the tuplets-notation that he uses... seeing how he is here busy trying to explain the rhythm, but ends up showing unrelated, simple linear beats.
So Ferneyhough's FIDELITY to himself: absolute zero.Complete Fail.
But.. even if Ferneyhough were capable of giving (not a literal, but a) "fidelious" performance of the rhythm; it's still not my def.of music - click on my channel to see why
JonathonNotely 1 year ago 51
@JonathonNotely You're so full of shit.
LutenistDeMari 1 year ago
@JonathonNotely You created an entire channel devoted to insulting Ferneyhough. What a waste of time.
LutenistDeMari 1 year ago
@JonathonNotely He is not discussing you blathering twit, he is giving a lecture on how to perform this piece.
rtascon 11 months ago
@JonathonNotely By the way, I read your poorly written channel. You suck at criticism (if your blather can be called as such). You don't present (or demonstrate) a valid viewpoint on either music, aesthetics or art (or philosophy for that matter). You just demonstrate your complete ignorance of music composition(much less XXc music) I am not sure if your ignorance is due to your stupidity or just another of your features.
rtascon 11 months ago 5
@JonathonNotely You proclaim to despise his music, yet you seem somewhat obsessed.... .Curious.
QueenCeleste2 10 months ago
@JonathonNotely True. The rhythms that Ferneyhough sings in the video, can be notated with a quarter note, an eighth note and perhaps the odd sixteenth and dotted note.
By the way: I wonder if he's someone's grandpa? He sounds so lovable when he's explaining things.
;)
redlanhaley4 8 months ago 8
@JonathonNotely why wouldnt he explain the rhythm to the precussionists if they are doing it wrong.... and also... if you see that the musicians arent able to do what u want... then you have no other choise than to simplify things for them....
RodrigusVI 3 months ago
@JonathonNotely if that is the definition of music and composing (as seen on your channel), then I am happy to not compose. I am happy to be anti-intuitive (though I would beg to differ). I am happy to be anti-artistic. The music before the 20th century is fantastic—among my favorite—but to dismiss 20th centruy music on 19th century conceptual grounds is irrational. This is our world, and those ancient people are dead.
hairdressershusband 1 week ago 2
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Unless I am mistaken, no recordings of Ferneyhough's music are listed in the Penguin Guide to Recorded Classical Music 2010. Discuss.
MisterSimnock 1 year ago
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Unless I am mistaken, no recordings of Ferneyhough's music are listed in the Penguin Guide to Recorded Classical Music 2010. Discuss.
MisterSimnock 1 year ago
shut the fuk up
jamieariss 1 year ago
I appreciate hearing his thoughts on the dissonance of the rhythms and the disjunction of irrational numbers, especially when they do not share a common downbeat. Reminds me of the conversation between Boulez and Cage in their correspondence from the 50s on the topic of chance and discrete notation. Is it important to control the "random effect" or to let it happen?
He knows what he wants and can demonstrate what he wants. Impressive. Thank you for posting this, pprommel.
shilohmsp 1 year ago 2
these rythms are pretty easy compared to lemma-icon-epigram or parts of transcendentals . He knows exactly what he wants. what school is he that wants such things. Toovey is easy in comparison . comparable to Xenakis' engineering stochastic masses.
lovesGenet 1 year ago
I heard a similar piece played by drainage workmen on assorted hammers and shovels while stuck in roadworks on the A27 Chichester bypass on 22 July 2005. They appeared to be playing without sheet music, having committed the piece to memory - a staggering achievement - though at one point the foreman shouted to a young lad "Keep up, ye fookin slacker!!", indicative of the immense challenges faced by even these seasoned Ferneyhoughian contrapuntalists.
fremsley001 1 year ago 40
@fremsley001 Do you have the slightest inking of how utterly stupid this remark is? You reveal nothing other than the poverty of your musical experience.
bickymcq 1 year ago 3
@bickymcq So why did you make it then?
egapnala65 2 months ago
@fremsley001 possibly the most lolworthy thing i have seen today
businessgoop 7 months ago
@fremsley001
fuck y'all hatin ass bitches mang y'all ain't got this level of swag.
groalerable 2 months ago
It makes me wonder how much of this piece was just a random combination of notes and overlapping tuplets just for the sake of fucking with the performer...
beaverteeth92 2 years ago
It seems fairly obvious that it is absolutely not random in the slightest as the composer is explaining what is wanted from the performer to quite a great degree.
radioslashmusicmixer 2 years ago 2
You've got to wonder with something as outrageously complex as this if the composer even knows what the heck it's going to sound like.
criver135 2 years ago
I believe that the composer has a good idea what he is headed for, nonetheless the working experimentation can become the part of any sound exploration. If every composer knew precisely what they were going to get right from the start would there actually be any point in doing something.
radioslashmusicmixer 2 years ago
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GreggaryPeccary 2 years ago
at one point i used to not like the taste of coffee and didn't understand why anyone would drink it.
scootilybootily 2 years ago
A very similar effect could be achieved by improvising, but this is obviously a tremendous exercise in rhythm. If ýou can play this, the world is open for you, rhythmically speaking
GreggaryPeccary 2 years ago
i love how he asks the player, who as obviously learned the piece, if he's aware the the rhythm in the upper part of bar 1 is on the beat. you know, as if someone who had grappled with the complexities of the score was somehow unaware of this. thanks, brian!!!!!!
notananalogy 2 years ago 2
Very interesting music.
cancunhunt 2 years ago 4
the worst composer ever??? really??????
dsmendesds 2 years ago
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Ok, so how does the melody he sings at 1:09 sound anything like the thing that the percussionist plays immediately afterword at 1:20? Worst composer ever.
metallica2289 2 years ago
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flammesombres 2 years ago
There are seven music staves, each is assigned a percussion instrument. He is singing an approximate version of this "imaginary" melodic line
GreggaryPeccary 2 years ago
wooow, that was amazing... could spend all day listening to what he has to say...
andrepilla 2 years ago
a delightful man.
japanesesweet 2 years ago
Hey! That is my nose! Where are the royalties?
urisala 2 years ago 2
Great stuff! Thank a lot for this video!
Please upload more if you can...
klo1777 2 years ago
Nice Peter, it's the future of education to share knowledge with everyone in such a fast and direct way!
gidts 2 years ago 2
this is fantastic, rehearsal,Vielen Dank
herma57 2 years ago 2