I expose this trash science agenda for what it really is. Dogs are getting needlessly medicated and destroyed as a result of the type of weak and permissive psychology which aligns with those who exploit learning theory for the sake of an agenda. When you put guys like Dunbar on the spot regarding conditioning, influence, learning theory and behavior they can't answer them.
I find it amusing how people trumpet research and science as being the basis for how dogs should be trained now...cause science says it's bad. Cause research says it's unhealthy.
Makes me wonder if some of you even know how skewed science and research tests are, or how a particular test can be designed to fit a particular hypothesis.
Funny how dogs have been domesticated, trained and handled for centuries but suddenly this new breed of trainers seems to think they have found the right way...
@Ghune You think he does it in two hours? Prime time TV is cut alot so you only get the 'action' it takes him longer than two hours.
Besides if your being aggressive towards me and I stand there for two hours with a rope around your neck and kick you every time you do something I don't like.
Pretty soon you'de behave for me aswel.
Doesn't mean i've trained you. Just bullied you into submission.
Someone put this pompous gasbag into a cage with two aggressive male rots and lets see if he can calm them down by feeding them treats or repeating, "Rover Sit...Sit...Sit".
All this academic, quasi intellectual hogwash is fine when you're in a lecture hall but it doesn't cut the mustard when you're actually dealing with difficult cases.
@Quivver77 Why would any educated animal behavior expert put themselves in a cage with two dogs that are both aggressive? The point of any good training is to set the animal up for success. Creating the canine version of ultimate fighting would be ridiculous. Police, military, protection, and ring sport trainers use the methods Dr. Dunbar is promoting. Your attitude makes it clear why you would have a dog that turned aggressive in the first place.
@bluvillain: Actually Police, military, protection and ring sports trainers use a variety of methods. Reward and positive training being one of them. There is still a case to be made for using aversive methods in difficult cases when you need to help the animal or have it destroyed. See...Dunbars methods are fine for normal cases, and for puppies which you might get to eat snacks and behave. But try it with animals that are traumatized or abused...
@Quivver77 Punishment on a traumatized or abused animal is counterproductive. Think about what you are saying: Hey dog, you were physically abused before and are now traumatized, so to, "cure" you of that, we're going to use more physical punishment. That doesn't even make a tiny bit of sense. Nobody would treat an abused and traumatized child by smacking it around when it makes a mistake. Why would you think that would work on any other animal?
I can't stand it when people don't understand dog training
EX: A lady had a choke chain on her Doberman (I don't really like them but I prefer them over other training collars)
But here's the problem, the dog was doing a PERFECT heel and she continued to "snap" the collar so the dog would continue behaving. So she was punishing the dog for behaving well. Really makes you think.
nice examples. Is this an effective dog training or and effective training for dog owners what to change to get an obedieny dog? Great to hear an other story. I use this video for my website meandmydogtips. Thank you for sharing!
Blablabla. I would like to see him take care of dangerous dogs in 2 hours like Cesar Millan. Perhaps he would change his mind about these ways of education.
Most of the time, those dogs would have been put down...
No, I´m not offended. Not at all. I simply responded to your comment because you responded to mine. But you are correct in that Cesar is the closest thing I have to an idol. (I think I should stop posting now, I have said enough)
Can't say enough about Dr. Dunbar! He is AMAZING! No one can convince me otherwise. I've seen him in action, heard him speak at conferences, and seen him outside the professional arena. He's an all around amazing man.
I liked the way most of the comments are half favorable to both Ian and Cesar. But I wanted to add my two cents about getting bit. If a dog bites and has a history of it, until the problem is worked on, the dog will bite. Its not a leap that a person who addresses the biting will also get bitten. Even a dog who never or rarely bites can bite. Even the cutest baby has spit up. Shaamex1
@Caninefan999 I disagree - why should people be quiet? If you believed something being done was inhumane or cruel, would you stand up and say something or would you just 'keep quiet'? Change was brought about by people speaking out against what they thought was wrong. Why should dog training be any different?
@Caninefan999 Hi Caninefan, Ian Dunbarr does not have a channel. He has written many fabulous books though, and I highly recommend reading them if you are interested in animal behaviour.
@truthaboutforever7 Actually, he does. It's "DogStarDaily." He owns a website of the same name as well. It's a dog publishing company, and there are many great guest writers who write articles each week. Most of the videos are from the Sirious Dog Training facility in San Francisco. However, you do see a lot of videos of Dr. Dunbar talking. And then there's the "America's Dog Trainer" show.
@truthaboutforever7 You're welcome. BTW, have you ever ordered from Tawzer Dog Videos? They have a Black Friday Sale this weekend - 50% off all DVDs. They have a lot of Ian Dunbar's stuff. I was thinking of maybe getting one of his. Do you have any? I like the looks of "Raising The Bar In Dog Training".
@ShelterDogs I can't say I have ever ordered from Tawzer Dog Videos, sorry. I have not seen his DVDs, only read the books. If his DVDs are anything like his books though, I am sure they would be fabulous. I can't imagine you can go wrong with any of Ian Dunbar's stuff :)
@truthaboutforever7 Trust me, nothing beats a good seminar. It's better than a book, and I have read almost all the classics (The Culture Clash, Both Ends of the Leash, Power of Positive Dog Training, etc). I've seen a lot of Dunbar here on YouTube and watched a couple of his official videos on cassette, but never ordered an actual seminar. I'm sure it would be good. Was just curious if you had seen any, and apparently you haven't. Thanks for replying.
"Obviously, any book with Cesar’s name on it is destined to be a best seller, no matter what the content. Since any content is guaranteed enormous exposure, we thought, why not have reward-based training techniques get the exposure...Ian Dunbar"
So much for principles, morals and ethics.
Caesar is not a "dog trainer"...Say what you want about his "methods"...he is not attempting to teach basic obedience...he is dealing with problem behaviors resulting from well intentioned, but inept humans.....
@backinblack629 I disagree. Ian Dunbar doesn't NEED anymore exposure. He is very well respected and very well known, and has been around much much longer then Cesar. He decided to be in the book with Cesar in the hopes that Cesar fans will read his section, and will consider different (more effective/humane) techniques. It has nothing to do with marketing, and everything to do with the welfare of dogs. He is hoping to change a few minds, and if ANYONE changes their mind, then it was worth it.
Maybe it's his use of the "hand nip" which actually hurts the animal?
Oh wait a minute, maybe it was the several instances where he cut off the dogs air supply by hanging the dog with his leash to get him to comply with his commands. Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc.
@dogdefender1 Choke collars don´t actually harm the dog if they are used properly. In my opinion, they are so that the collar doesn´t slip over the head, without you aving to make the collar incredibly tight. The dogs aren´t even pulling in the first place, so it doesn´t choke them either.
There is nothing wrong with being leader. A proper leader doesn´t need to use force because the followers trust his judgement.
@dogdefender1 The "hand nip" doesn´t actually hurt the dogs, that´s why it´s so effective. It is a quick, light touch that takes them by surprise. I´ve never seen any episode where he hurt any of te animals, however, you are correct in that, if you misunderstand his methods and try them, you can really do a lot of damage by doing it wrong. In my experience, it is A LOT harder to teach anything to an animal that is scared.
@animalobsessed1 I think either way, the point is that Negative reinforcement and punishment is a very poor training technique and is much more detrimental than it is helpful. You wouldn't punch a toddler for drawing on the walls. So why punish a dog for being a dog? Otherwise you only make your dog "obedient" out of fear. The whole "alpha dog" bullshit that Cesar uses is based on the behaviors of certain feral pack animals. Domesticated canines are not pack animals.
@DrTrevelyan Where did you get "fear" from? That´s exactly why I like Cesar so much, because he doesn´t use fear. The dogs don´t fear him, why do you think the ones from his pack act so relaxed around him? And don´t even try to make it look any different than it is by saying that the problem dogs he visits are not relaxed around him. That´s why their owners call him! They have behavior problems. Those dogs simly aren´t used to him. None of the dogs that actually know him show any sign of fear.
@DrTrevelyan About the toddler comment; it´s not like Cesar punches the dogs. he doesn´t even hurt them when they bite him! I have seen way too many "dog trainers" who told people to hit their nine week old puppy in the face when it nips them during a game.
I´m sorry, I´ve never seen any episode where he punishes a dog. I don´t believe such an episode exists. he redirects them (I know this sounds like I´m just reciting what he says, but I can´t help it if it´s the truth).
@SophiaRoseThePuppy So what do you suggest somebody should do when their dog is busy trying to attack somebody? Do you think luring the dog away with a treat would work?
@animalobsessed1 If your dog is busy trying to attack, you probably already tried other methods beside positive reinforcement because aggressive trainers generally have more aggressive dogs. A dog that is attacking should be immediately removed by as humane method as possible. It could be noise, water, blanket over the dog, whatever. When you finally set about to modify that dog's behavior so that it does not continue to behave in that manner, you are better off with science-based t raining.
If you're dog is attacking you screwed up...most owners do screw up and its only the higher energy dogs that become real trouble... In that case the owner needs professional help.. And as we know there are very few "trainers" who deal with dangerous dogs.. Enter Cesar Millan...
NEWS FLASH: Cesar does use Science = empirical knowledge re the subject that he has gleaned from observing animal behavior and he is always working to improve his approach..
@trondyne News flash - if Cesar uses science, then why are so many veterinarian and PhD behavior professionals unimpressed by his theories and practices??? You have drunk the Kool Aid my friend. Why don't you continue to learn?
@sequoyahbean sorry, no, you´re wrong. We rescued her from a shelter because we are good people who´d rather save a life than BUYING a living creature from a "breeder". She already had this habit when we got her. However, she only attacks certain dogs. It seems to me that I am not completely clueless when it comes to reading the body language of dogs. I can look at the other dog and say "she´s going to attack this one" or "she´ll be best friends with this dog"
@sequoyahbean If I notice that she´s about to attack another dog I can stop her, and then make her walk past the other dog without even needing a leash. I only use a leash in extreme cases because I don´t believe in using force to control animals.
The problem is that normal people are completely clueless, so when I am at school and my dad tries to walk her, that´s when things get out of hand.
@animalobsessed1 well... yes, sort-of... It should be done before the dog even reacts. If the dog is already lunging then it is to late to do anything but drag the dog away, which of course is not the ideal situation. If the dog is focused on trying to "attack" someone or another dog, 90% no matter what you do you can not get their attention, and adding a physical correction, the dog will more than likely associate it to the thing it is trying to get to and will raise the aggression level
@DrTrevelyan Oh and another thing, the word "alpha" is just a word. A word that seems to upset so many people. Basically, what it means is that you tell the dog what to do, and the dog does it (without any "fear"), and not the other way around. You won´t find a single dog trainer who is not tryng to achieve this goal, even if they don´t use "The Word". If someone is trying to make their dog obey them using physical force, (or make the dog afraid in any other way,) then that person is not "alpha"
@animalobsessed1 But the word Alpha implies leading through force and aggression- dominating an individual. This happens in packs of unrelated wolves and may sometimes occur in packs of unrelated dogs, but very rarely and the pack needs to be large and have minimal contact with humans. So, whilst a real leader is a dog that is cool and calm and does not need to use force to lead, as the other dogs naturally respect his/her age, Alpha implies leading through force. This is why it is not liked.
Being the Alpha means being calm and assertive... Police, pilots, and really any leadership role requires one to keep cool and in control while commanding or performing... The most effective leaders be they in a pack or landing a plane in trouble, managing a crisis or the daily hunt will be calm, in control and assertive. because anything less shows weakness and nature attacks weakness because survival requires inner strength not inner weakness.
@trondyne You have described what a pack leader is- a good one. Usually the oldest dogs and those that don't need to use force of physical discipline because they are already respected, naturally, by all other members. But the word Alpha was coined by Mech (1970) and was applied to aggressive displays of dominance and leading through force. Luckily, in 1991, Mech recanted what he said and advised against the term in natural settings. An aggressive dog is the hallmark of a mid-ranking male
@trondyne If it's good to be calm and assertive when dealing with dogs, then why does Cesar Millan always degenerate into being *authoritarian* instead????
Degenerate into authoritarian? This just shows me you have no understanding of this material.. Pack Leader IS the authority figure in the pack... Nothing else need be said and the fact that you don't see that speaks volumes and explains why you parrot what you read but fail to understand... If you don't see PL as the key role then argue with mother nature.
Let's see the opposing POV people (whatever they advocate) deal with the extreme cases instead of symptoms....
@trondyne - One still doesn't have to use force when dealing with extreme cases. People, please read the Position Statement on Dominance at the AVSAB web page. One of the first things you learn in Psych 101 is the difference between authoritarian, authoritative, and indulgent.. Positive trainers, contrary to Cesar's psychobabble, do not indulge their dogs. They teach them how to learn. It's the Cesar minions who parrot him, because they've neither read nor understood the real research.
No that's NOT what Alpha means, This tells us that you don't understand the term. In nature the alpha leads with a calm assertive demeanor and even when a correction (bite) is used it's not to "hurt" it is used to communicate dominance--mother does this as well--DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE--they don't use words, they use their bodies to communicate.
The opposition wants dogs to be people..and Cesar has shown that this is actually what causes most problems in the first place.
@trondyne Oh come on, the world of canine behaviour is a lot bigger and more complex than Cesar Millan. 95% of what he says is old-style theory, most of which has been proven to be incredibly simplistic and not accurate. The other 5 % (exercise, discipline and affection) is obvious: dogs need exercise, and any affection should be given at calm times or as a reward for specific behaviours. Sorry, that's not what Alpha means. Canines don't form dominance hierarchies. I have proof- do you? No.
So wild dogs don't have a pack leader? No dominance? You have proof of this? Well let's see it... The world of canine behavior is bigger than Cesar Millan? I'd comment if I knew what it meant--it's meaningless
You have no idea what leadership is, calm assertive is primal, in animals and in humans. Cesar uses canine language.. His read on dogs is one of the best in the business. Many pros like him, most wont go off the deep end saying PL doesn't exist, its utter BS.
@trondyne Wild dogs may have a canine in command, but it is the parents. There is no jostling for power, no fighting for 'pack leadership'. Two wolves have an offspring, by the time that offspring are nearing sexual maturity, they have left the pack, with some females staying to help raise the new offspring. But we're talking about domestic dogs, whose behaviour is very different. They are primarily scavengers, who form very loose aggregations, only grouping for mating. (continued)
It's the parents? And when there are no parents? This happens all over the place where dogs run in packs in addition to actual wild dogs, there is most certainly a pack leader... Dogs have this hard wired direct from their ancestors for anyone with eyes to see.. Dogs are constantly challenging each other to find their "number" in the pack to see who is more dominant.. The communication that Cesar reads and uses in his work is spot on for anyone with eyes to see.
You are ascribing a theoretical norm to what you term "domestic" dogs. Dogs in the wild are hunters--you can watch them. Dogs like any social predator they have a pack leader who is dominant. The conversations that Cesar has with dogs can be seen in action. Bottom line is that Cesar's way is valid to the extent that he is consistently getting dogs to do what he wants through communication that is based on how the dog's brain is wired. If you are not the PL your dog is.
Respond to this video...Pet dogs seldom form groups as they are living on their own with humans. Whenever they do its fleeting groups- at the dog park, at someone's house, on holiday. For dogs that are in a group (say a group of 12 pet dogs in one home) there is a hierarchy- but that doesn't make it dominance. Dominance is a specific term used in ethology to describe groups that fight for resources e.g. walruses or impala for mating rights. They are not families but unrelated groups.
Put your money where your mouth is buddy. Cesar puts himself out there dealing with dangerous dogs and helping them. There are better ways? Ok. So show us all the videos out there where folks are helping DANGEROUS dogs using the "enlightened" approach.. Let's see the videos... Site specific examples of Cesar's way and the "better" way.. There must be lots of them out there right? BS... Lots of examples of "experts" telling people there is "no fix".
They are applying their own human experience onto dog psychology--ignoring what happens naturally in the wild and how dogs have been genetically programmed in favor of their own personal and arbitrary human world-views about how the world *should* work...
@Caninefan999 Fair enough, Cesar may not go away easily. But hopefully his methods will. They cause a lot more bad than good, especially when people at home try to do them. What needs to be followed is a simple, clear and effective method of training, so that all owners can train their dogs effectively...not to go around trying to alpha roll their dog if it barks at another dog. Dunbar has relevant research to back his methods, whereas Cesar only has old, mostly admonished, research.
@mydogkanskidrums honestly..if youve let your dog get to the point where attempting "cesars methods" are dangerous and cause bad..then youve already done the most damage of all...your logic on dog behavior seems a bit cloudy
@zaklukebillkate He actually is not arrogant at all, and I don't believe he got him kicked off. He has written some fabulous books on dog behaviour and is very highly qualified.
Geez. What an offensive video. If you want the humans to learn from you maybe you should stop barking insults. Not much difference between training humans and training dogs. Snapping at them doesn't make them learn faster. If there's a failure in trust or communication try another method until something works. Like dogs, humans won't accept your instruction unless you establish trust first. If a trainer insulted me when I started asking questions I'd stop listening too. Step 1: Establish trust!
@wiredwabbit I'm not sure that Ian Dunbar actually SAID any of those things to the trainer he was working for. He probably just politely explained why their past attempts had failed, what he was going to teach them, and why it would work. I think the anecdote is just included at this seminar for the sake of humor and making a point.
I loved this! I just listened to another one of his clips and thought he's more boring than any of my collecge professors. This video was spot on and he's entertaining in it. Now if he'd just lose all the training babble (industry jargon) he'd stand more apart from all the psycho babblers he references! But the ending of this is worth twice the price of admission. Great job, Doc!
The point he is trying to make is that bad dog behavior originates in uninformed training. He is trying to illustrate the damage done by misinformed people.
I hear what you are saying. I think he is probably frustrated by what he sees with all the "bad dogs" (that, as a vet, he probably has to euthanize) that could have been great dogs if not for the stupidity of their human owners. Probably where he gets his negativity. I don't blame him.
ive trained my dog to eat diarrhea perfectly... now how do i get him to eat his own diarrhea composed of diarrhea he has already eaten and shit out. should i try rubbing calamine lotion on his testicals again? I mean ive gone as far as to follow the urban myths about shaving the dog. or maybe i should beat him into submission? if not im putting him down, pls message me back i need to know,
@AnonymousSnack MAYBE U SHOULD BE FORCED INTO SUBMISSION, HAVE UR LIL BALLS SHAVED WITH A BOX CUTTER, BE FORCED TO EAT UR OWN SH*T, BEATIN AND THEN SLOWLY PUT DOWN. WASTED ENOUGH TIME ON IGNORANCE...OUT.
@gentlegiants1 leave him alone he asked an honest question and power to him for not being afraid like most people would, kudos to him for being brave and stepping up to the plate to ask questions people like him will be very successful in life while people like you will die from drinking bath tub water, maybe you should take a hard look at yourself before you criticize others. just because of what happened to your dad ryan in the car accident last summer doesnt make it ok to be unkind to others.
If they are alive they LIKE FOOD. If you free feed your dog then expect him to be motivated for training by cheerios it may not be as easy but I dont care if u just dumped the whole bag of food on the floor if u grab a steak ur dog will be motivated. If u had fed ur dog on schedule an trained around that an ur dog still lacks motivation its not the dog but something in the training that causes lack of motivation The reward for getting it right is not worth the consequence for being wrong usually
personally i think this guy is a pompas A@#....If you can't keep a dog close? how do you expect to keep a family together? Whatever!!......if i wanted this, i would have listened to Dr. Phil. He makes all the obvious statements. Pet owners understands what to do. They just decide not to do what has been proven. I wonder how much this guy gets paid for that Cr#%. Sorry
@AlanJStain Then thats your first training session. Simply stand with treat ignoring your dog completely an let your dog jump and bark. As soon as your dog gives up and sits or just looks up at you give the treat. Do it over and over adding the cue "calm" or "relax" before you know it you will have your dogs full attention in a calm manor. It may take 3 min or even longer the first few times before your dog stops barking an jumping but I promise if your patient and just wait he will stop.
@soxfox - thank you! Nice to read a cogent comment that is not just a boast. Ian's best help for me is that dog's good behavior is different from just good training. We live with the behaviors and I for one have benefited from the logic and sequence of which he reminds me to be observant.
Sorry, gotta disagree. Barkbusters is by far the best. My dogs are NOT motivated by ANYTHING and they aren't the only ones. I have used everything. I'm sorry to see you are giving advise yet so little knowledge about dogs. Other trainers have NO idea what to do, and either does Dunbar!
@RawFedDog Food is not the only form of reward. Find out what your dog finds motivating -toys, praise? If your dog won't motivate for anything he has a seriou problem and I would see a behavior expert, not a framchise trainer.
I really really need help. My dog is the sweetest dog in the world. I mean he is playfull with kids, he loves everyone and everything. And he is obedient and walk next to me at all times
But whenever during the walk, if he sees another dog up the street, he will start barking like crazy, and try to pull the leash and stuff to go and start a fighy or someething, I cant do anything about it and at that moment whatever i do, he doesnt listen. Just continues. HELP ME.
It would probably help if you went to a training class and learned some techniques to help your dog. We're not born knowing how to train dogs, just as dogs aren't born knowing how to behave politely. :)
I can't help you with the barking but the pulling might be solved by the method i got from zak george. watch?v=vIdeT5S9u4Y. He also might need to be socialized with more dogs in a neutral environment. But I'm new at this so maybe a pro trainer would be more help
@jimmy202500 for barking issues put it on cue. Every time the dog parks click treat and say speak. Once the dog barks on cue add the cue quiet. cue speak, dog barks, click an treat, as soon as dog swallows treat give the cue "quiet" and immediately click and treat. Before long the dog learns the cue quiet means no speaking. any unwanted behavior can also be put on cue and followed by a cue to stop the behavior.
Ian saves lives: he saves families and pets. I am so glad Cesar is not on AP anymore. Cesar is a joke; he leaves out critical elements so the viewers drool over him, not helping dogs. Ian calls the humans on their behavior; it's a learning curve for us, the dogs will be dogs.
Though I do think a lot of what Cesar says shouldn't just be thrown off as BS, I do agree that he leaves our a lot of great training elements, such as positive reinforcement obedience training, and the like. Cesar mostly works on getting humans to understand how dogs basically see the world, he dehumanizes the dogs, and shows the humans how to fulfill dog's basic needs. But he doesn't show how powerful positive reinforcement training is.
@S0XF0X Ceasar is not a dog trainer. He says so himself. He is a self taught, charismatic reality show star. He tries to explain "how a dog thinks", but he gets it wrong, especially with dominance theory. To his defense, he does get owners to control thier emotions and give direction to thier dogs. This does get the dogs on his (edited, pre selected) show under better control.
@k9trainer30 Your right! Cesar is not a dog trainer, hes a dog psychologist. Theres a difference between a dog trainer and a dog psychologist. Ian only uses band aid solutions that you have to do everytime you want the dog to do something. Cesar nips the problem in the bud and you dont have to repeat nothing to get a perfect dog. People (who usulally who has done no research and have nothin to back up their claim) say cesars method dont work. Well with nothing but success stories........
Tell me the difference between a dog 'psychologist', 'trainer' and 'behaviourist'. In order to be good at just one of those apparently separate professions, you need to be good at all of them. To train you need to understand psychology. Cesar is a sensationalist, using out of date methods that flood the dog into never doing anything 'wrong', as the dog is too scared to. Postive trainers, guide the dog in understanding the desired behaviour and make it fun for the dog. There's a huge difference.
@riverapr861 And people who haven't done their research ONLY believe Cesar Millan is correct. Read any pulished piece of writing on modern dog behaviour training, nearly all of Cesar's concepts are proven wrong. This is what annoys me the most- people claim to have seen Cesar and think they know about dogs, when in actuality, they know zero about dog behaviour themselves. Trust me and many others, Cesar is a sensationalist and his time is quickly running out.
@mydogkanskidrums Huge difference btwn what your taught in the academy and what you experience out there in the real world...thats the truth with many things....apparently i havent done my research and my business and passion is destined to fail just like Cesars..hes doing everything wrong it seems...LOL
@riverapr861 You only see success stories on tv, why would a tv show so a failing story? His methods do not work in the long term. As a trainer that only uses positive reinforcement I have never had any of my clients upset in the long run. There is no reason you have to hit or use a choke chain on a dog to get them to listen. Consistency is the key. If you lack it you will have no luck. With clicker training and positive training you do not always have to have treats or a clicker.
@riverapr861 Also, Cesar has gotten bit many times by a dog while training, if you are bit then you are doing something wrong. I don't know of a positive reinforcement training getting bit by a dog. Please do some more research.
Cesar isn't a dog it's just his method is different. When you have 30+ really badly behaved dogs to a point they will kill or attack another dog or person that is now very well behaved he's doing something right.
Every trainer has a different method. Cesar may be more hands on in terms of physical but it ain't hurting the dog. No point hating when his method does work.
A lot of what Ian says is very compatible and in line with Cesar's way. It all comes down to results. Many owners will find simple fixes are easier to manage because of their own limitations--not everyone can pull off being the pack leader.
Cesar is known for dealing with extreme cases where a simple solution isn't possible. There is no simple fix for red zone cases and many accepted good guy trainers will say these cases can't be helped--and this is when Cesar's way shines..
Actually, Ian Dunbar works with very very aggressive dogs. You should look up the bite scale that doctors use to evaluate dog bite cases. You will see that Ian Dunbar made the scale. SO if anyone knows about aggression in dogs, and we mean severe aggression, it would Ian Dunbar.
@trondyne Sorry, I don't buy it. While there are some things on which the two men might agree, from what I've seen on the TV show, most of the dogs that Cesar deals with are fearful. In fact, the aggression that arises out of fear is the most common, since 80% of all aggression is rooted in fear. To label dogs "red zone" is just a marketing tool to make him seem more powerful than he is. Truly, good behavior modification is as boring as watching paint dry, so he has to use hype for ratings.
WOW crucial video !!!! hold tight the dog training crew !!! big up the doggy massive!!! respect the k9 posse !!!! did any dogs have to be humanely drowned during the making of this video ?
Yes fixing a dog is like fixing a car, you follow these instructions to the letter everything will be great? You don't train a dog you learn how to be a dog owner and think like a dog. Once you get the part about thinking like a dog you understand why things work and do not work. Then you can move on to conditioning and rewarding the good behavior. You redirect inappropriate behavior and reward the good stuff. There are merits to the crap in this video but not much.
One must realize that all "experts" have good points and bad points. It is necessary to take all and glean the information/training that will help you be a better dog trainer.
Love how he acknowledges that there are more than one way to train a dog and that the be all and end of all training is the effectiveness of owners in following through.
Great video, as a trainer it is SO irritating to work with people who hire you, then don't want to listen to you, then expect you to train their dog to be perfect in one hour. I enjoy watching the training shows on animal planet and NatGeo in my spare time, but I've seriously had owners say things like "well (insert famous trainer name here) fixed a dog like mine in one episode on their show..." People get dog's and don't realize it takes time to train them.
I see what you mean. I want to be a trainer myself but I know that there will be times when they will not listen, and not be happy when you inform them that they are doing it wrong and advise how to do it right.
Hey um, sounds interesting. Hey is there a college major in that? I'm not interested in much at college, except ones that lead to a nature or animal job.
Yes! There are animal behavior degrees, it is a form of psychology. Look into programs offered at different colleges. I am having a hard time finding a program in my state. Arg!
No, I am an old lady (23) hahaha. Just recently started moving towards the degree and getting my APDT certification. A local trainer is certified and is helping me along. Job shadowing is a great way to get some insight into the job (menial paperwork, arrrg!) and watching obedience classes is helpful too! I am having so much fun learning! I'll have to break soon because our first baby is coming in May. Dogs or baby...? hmmm...;-)
Aw ahaha, well both grow up to be ur big kids. oh yeah see that's what I want, like on the job training! I don't care about money yet, I'd like to find something that teaches more to the point. And may be more one on one. (there's not even any tutors at our campus)
I am so excited that you are pursuing an interest in this ever growing field! I am having such a great time learning! Dog training is all about experience. I started as a dog walker and now I am slowly working my way up. Dare I use the phrase "street cred"? lol. Life is so much more fun with animals, good for you for wanting to help them!=)
For being a dog trainer, look into becoming certified by the APDT. It takes a LOT of time and experience under your belt for the certification, and you need to pass a 250 question exam. It is worth it though if training is what you want to do=)
put him on a leash, and watch his reaction to the other dog. ignore his bad behaviour, take distance from your dog, step back or something to show him. or even turn your back to him. your dog is provoking the dog, thats fine but you have nothing to do with it. so step away. as soon as he doensnt react to the other dog, ignoring it or watching at you, you reward him with 'good boy' or something, or a treat.
when she is offleash,she charges at other dogs and kind of scares them,but she puts her front paws down in a playing mood,but she runs way to fast up to other dogs
Oke, i saw this kind of behaviour before with other dogs. It's likely your dog had a bad expirience (probably with your trainer, who's incompetent to teach). Keep rewarding good behaviour as i told. But you really have to 'read' your dogs bodylanguage. If she's not actively showing wrong behaviour but only with bodylanguage, you dont want to reward that either. She really has to show good behaviour for the reward.
Also, try to get in touch with owners of stable, slighty dominant, social, secure dogs. You definitely want to practice with dogs like that. I think she doesnt know how to play anymore, cause of traumatic expirience. She should get lots of practice with stable social dogs to show her not allz dogs are bad. She should learn to ignore dogs when she's on leash, and play with them of leash. Might take weeks or months before it starts to show effect thow. Dont give up.
Why are you asking for dog training advice from people you don't even know? You have no way of knowing if someone is giving good advice or bad. Before I hired a dog trainer to teach me how to teach my dog, I spent time researching the credentials, experience, and training philosophies of several trainers. My dog is too important to be entrusted to just anyone.
I had my gsd pup for 3 weeks with a professionell trainer,qualified and certified,but the outcome was really bad,so what can it hurt to ask others for advice,thanks to the trainer,my dog is now agressive towards other dogs
Its better to visit a good dogforum to ask questions. Or buy some books about raising dogs and training dogs. But you should be carefull with that too, cause there are still lots of people trying to teach you the wrong way. Books about positive training methodes works the best. Its based on rewarding instead of punishment. 9 out of 10 times the dog gets agressive cause he's scared or insecure. Did my tip helped your dog so far? And how does your dog react to other dogs when he's of leash?
ignore your puppy when he is barking. dont even look at him. reward him when he is quiet. dont tell him to stop barking, cause negative attention is attention too so its rewarding for the dog if you talk to him. works 100% just ignore.
Hang on. Why is your puppy barking? Boredom? Dogs bark for so many reasons, what is your puppy trying to tell you? When and where does he bark? Is he/she getting enough exercise? A tired puppy is a good puppy. A stuffed kong can also keep him/her busy.
I expose this trash science agenda for what it really is. Dogs are getting needlessly medicated and destroyed as a result of the type of weak and permissive psychology which aligns with those who exploit learning theory for the sake of an agenda. When you put guys like Dunbar on the spot regarding conditioning, influence, learning theory and behavior they can't answer them.
dalemk90 3 weeks ago
I find it amusing how people trumpet research and science as being the basis for how dogs should be trained now...cause science says it's bad. Cause research says it's unhealthy.
Makes me wonder if some of you even know how skewed science and research tests are, or how a particular test can be designed to fit a particular hypothesis.
Funny how dogs have been domesticated, trained and handled for centuries but suddenly this new breed of trainers seems to think they have found the right way...
Quivver77 2 months ago
@Ghune You think he does it in two hours? Prime time TV is cut alot so you only get the 'action' it takes him longer than two hours.
Besides if your being aggressive towards me and I stand there for two hours with a rope around your neck and kick you every time you do something I don't like.
Pretty soon you'de behave for me aswel.
Doesn't mean i've trained you. Just bullied you into submission.
Spidersandguns 2 months ago
Someone put this pompous gasbag into a cage with two aggressive male rots and lets see if he can calm them down by feeding them treats or repeating, "Rover Sit...Sit...Sit".
All this academic, quasi intellectual hogwash is fine when you're in a lecture hall but it doesn't cut the mustard when you're actually dealing with difficult cases.
Quivver77 2 months ago
@Quivver77 Why would any educated animal behavior expert put themselves in a cage with two dogs that are both aggressive? The point of any good training is to set the animal up for success. Creating the canine version of ultimate fighting would be ridiculous. Police, military, protection, and ring sport trainers use the methods Dr. Dunbar is promoting. Your attitude makes it clear why you would have a dog that turned aggressive in the first place.
bluvillain 2 months ago
@bluvillain: Actually Police, military, protection and ring sports trainers use a variety of methods. Reward and positive training being one of them. There is still a case to be made for using aversive methods in difficult cases when you need to help the animal or have it destroyed. See...Dunbars methods are fine for normal cases, and for puppies which you might get to eat snacks and behave. But try it with animals that are traumatized or abused...
Quivver77 2 months ago
@Quivver77 Punishment on a traumatized or abused animal is counterproductive. Think about what you are saying: Hey dog, you were physically abused before and are now traumatized, so to, "cure" you of that, we're going to use more physical punishment. That doesn't even make a tiny bit of sense. Nobody would treat an abused and traumatized child by smacking it around when it makes a mistake. Why would you think that would work on any other animal?
bluvillain 2 months ago
This video clip was HILARIOUS!! :) Thanks for posting it! :)
aspiringdogtrainer84 2 months ago
You are amazing!
I can't stand it when people don't understand dog training
EX: A lady had a choke chain on her Doberman (I don't really like them but I prefer them over other training collars)
But here's the problem, the dog was doing a PERFECT heel and she continued to "snap" the collar so the dog would continue behaving. So she was punishing the dog for behaving well. Really makes you think.
BlackMist301 3 months ago
nice examples. Is this an effective dog training or and effective training for dog owners what to change to get an obedieny dog? Great to hear an other story. I use this video for my website meandmydogtips. Thank you for sharing!
Toppertje06 4 months ago
"and then it gets woooooors." haha this guy is so funny!!
tredub91 5 months ago
Blablabla. I would like to see him take care of dangerous dogs in 2 hours like Cesar Millan. Perhaps he would change his mind about these ways of education.
Most of the time, those dogs would have been put down...
ghune 6 months ago
Very good video. Interesting guy.
omfgitsgambit 8 months ago
see my dog video
MEGAGRAHAMCRACKER 9 months ago
Best video on youtube! I watch it several times just to remind myself! Thanks you so much Mr. Dunbar!
iglooworkshop 10 months ago
No, I´m not offended. Not at all. I simply responded to your comment because you responded to mine. But you are correct in that Cesar is the closest thing I have to an idol. (I think I should stop posting now, I have said enough)
animalobsessed1 10 months ago
You need to kick the shit out of your dog. They respect this.
John27346 11 months ago
Can't say enough about Dr. Dunbar! He is AMAZING! No one can convince me otherwise. I've seen him in action, heard him speak at conferences, and seen him outside the professional arena. He's an all around amazing man.
Mewsaphine 11 months ago
I liked the way most of the comments are half favorable to both Ian and Cesar. But I wanted to add my two cents about getting bit. If a dog bites and has a history of it, until the problem is worked on, the dog will bite. Its not a leap that a person who addresses the biting will also get bitten. Even a dog who never or rarely bites can bite. Even the cutest baby has spit up. Shaamex1
shaamex2 11 months ago
thank you very much - love your pet friendly choice. I gotta go take mine for a walk, and I love it!
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MrJennifersusan 1 year ago
Awesome video
Harleyfats 1 year ago
lmfao, I didnt expect this man to actually say, "COME HERE! COME HERE YOU SON OF A BITCH!" lol
xXKhaoticRinoXx 1 year ago 2
Great training video. Try dogsblogtoday com
Another good site with lots of training tips for dogs!
BigPetLover 1 year ago
@Caninefan999 I disagree - why should people be quiet? If you believed something being done was inhumane or cruel, would you stand up and say something or would you just 'keep quiet'? Change was brought about by people speaking out against what they thought was wrong. Why should dog training be any different?
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@Caninefan999 Hi Caninefan, Ian Dunbarr does not have a channel. He has written many fabulous books though, and I highly recommend reading them if you are interested in animal behaviour.
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@truthaboutforever7 Actually, he does. It's "DogStarDaily." He owns a website of the same name as well. It's a dog publishing company, and there are many great guest writers who write articles each week. Most of the videos are from the Sirious Dog Training facility in San Francisco. However, you do see a lot of videos of Dr. Dunbar talking. And then there's the "America's Dog Trainer" show.
ShelterDogs 1 year ago
@ShelterDogs I stand corrected! Thanks, I am going to check out his website :)
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@truthaboutforever7 You're welcome. BTW, have you ever ordered from Tawzer Dog Videos? They have a Black Friday Sale this weekend - 50% off all DVDs. They have a lot of Ian Dunbar's stuff. I was thinking of maybe getting one of his. Do you have any? I like the looks of "Raising The Bar In Dog Training".
ShelterDogs 1 year ago
@ShelterDogs I can't say I have ever ordered from Tawzer Dog Videos, sorry. I have not seen his DVDs, only read the books. If his DVDs are anything like his books though, I am sure they would be fabulous. I can't imagine you can go wrong with any of Ian Dunbar's stuff :)
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@truthaboutforever7 Trust me, nothing beats a good seminar. It's better than a book, and I have read almost all the classics (The Culture Clash, Both Ends of the Leash, Power of Positive Dog Training, etc). I've seen a lot of Dunbar here on YouTube and watched a couple of his official videos on cassette, but never ordered an actual seminar. I'm sure it would be good. Was just curious if you had seen any, and apparently you haven't. Thanks for replying.
ShelterDogs 1 year ago
@Caninefan999 Can you show some scientific evidence to back this claim up?
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@dapperdan4ever Well i already put him down, but im about to get a new dog so ill have to check that out. thanks man.
AnonymousSnack 1 year ago
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backinblack629 1 year ago
"Obviously, any book with Cesar’s name on it is destined to be a best seller, no matter what the content. Since any content is guaranteed enormous exposure, we thought, why not have reward-based training techniques get the exposure...Ian Dunbar"
So much for principles, morals and ethics.
Caesar is not a "dog trainer"...Say what you want about his "methods"...he is not attempting to teach basic obedience...he is dealing with problem behaviors resulting from well intentioned, but inept humans.....
backinblack629 1 year ago
@backinblack629 I disagree. Ian Dunbar doesn't NEED anymore exposure. He is very well respected and very well known, and has been around much much longer then Cesar. He decided to be in the book with Cesar in the hopes that Cesar fans will read his section, and will consider different (more effective/humane) techniques. It has nothing to do with marketing, and everything to do with the welfare of dogs. He is hoping to change a few minds, and if ANYONE changes their mind, then it was worth it.
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@truthaboutforever7 Can you please tell me what´s inhumane about Cesar Millan?
Is it the part where you walk the dogs so that they´re not bored?
Or where you give a confused dog instructions on how not to be confused?
Really, I don´t get it.
animalobsessed1 1 year ago
@animalobsessed1 What's inhumane about Cesar?
Maybe it's his use of choke and shock collars?
Maybe it's his use of the Alpha Roll?
Maybe it's his use of the "hand nip" which actually hurts the animal?
Oh wait a minute, maybe it was the several instances where he cut off the dogs air supply by hanging the dog with his leash to get him to comply with his commands. Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc.
Really, I don't get it.
dogdefender1 11 months ago
@dogdefender1 Choke collars don´t actually harm the dog if they are used properly. In my opinion, they are so that the collar doesn´t slip over the head, without you aving to make the collar incredibly tight. The dogs aren´t even pulling in the first place, so it doesn´t choke them either.
There is nothing wrong with being leader. A proper leader doesn´t need to use force because the followers trust his judgement.
animalobsessed1 11 months ago
@dogdefender1 The "hand nip" doesn´t actually hurt the dogs, that´s why it´s so effective. It is a quick, light touch that takes them by surprise. I´ve never seen any episode where he hurt any of te animals, however, you are correct in that, if you misunderstand his methods and try them, you can really do a lot of damage by doing it wrong. In my experience, it is A LOT harder to teach anything to an animal that is scared.
animalobsessed1 11 months ago
@animalobsessed1 I think either way, the point is that Negative reinforcement and punishment is a very poor training technique and is much more detrimental than it is helpful. You wouldn't punch a toddler for drawing on the walls. So why punish a dog for being a dog? Otherwise you only make your dog "obedient" out of fear. The whole "alpha dog" bullshit that Cesar uses is based on the behaviors of certain feral pack animals. Domesticated canines are not pack animals.
DrTrevelyan 11 months ago
@DrTrevelyan Where did you get "fear" from? That´s exactly why I like Cesar so much, because he doesn´t use fear. The dogs don´t fear him, why do you think the ones from his pack act so relaxed around him? And don´t even try to make it look any different than it is by saying that the problem dogs he visits are not relaxed around him. That´s why their owners call him! They have behavior problems. Those dogs simly aren´t used to him. None of the dogs that actually know him show any sign of fear.
animalobsessed1 11 months ago
@DrTrevelyan About the toddler comment; it´s not like Cesar punches the dogs. he doesn´t even hurt them when they bite him! I have seen way too many "dog trainers" who told people to hit their nine week old puppy in the face when it nips them during a game.
I´m sorry, I´ve never seen any episode where he punishes a dog. I don´t believe such an episode exists. he redirects them (I know this sounds like I´m just reciting what he says, but I can´t help it if it´s the truth).
animalobsessed1 11 months ago
@animalobsessed1 Cesar uses mental intimidation, which can sometimes be just as bad as physical punishment
SophiaRoseThePuppy 9 months ago
@SophiaRoseThePuppy So what do you suggest somebody should do when their dog is busy trying to attack somebody? Do you think luring the dog away with a treat would work?
animalobsessed1 9 months ago
@animalobsessed1 If your dog is busy trying to attack, you probably already tried other methods beside positive reinforcement because aggressive trainers generally have more aggressive dogs. A dog that is attacking should be immediately removed by as humane method as possible. It could be noise, water, blanket over the dog, whatever. When you finally set about to modify that dog's behavior so that it does not continue to behave in that manner, you are better off with science-based t raining.
sequoyahbean 9 months ago
@sequoyahbean
If you're dog is attacking you screwed up...most owners do screw up and its only the higher energy dogs that become real trouble... In that case the owner needs professional help.. And as we know there are very few "trainers" who deal with dangerous dogs.. Enter Cesar Millan...
NEWS FLASH: Cesar does use Science = empirical knowledge re the subject that he has gleaned from observing animal behavior and he is always working to improve his approach..
trondyne 8 months ago
@trondyne News flash - if Cesar uses science, then why are so many veterinarian and PhD behavior professionals unimpressed by his theories and practices??? You have drunk the Kool Aid my friend. Why don't you continue to learn?
sequoyahbean 8 months ago
@sequoyahbean sorry, no, you´re wrong. We rescued her from a shelter because we are good people who´d rather save a life than BUYING a living creature from a "breeder". She already had this habit when we got her. However, she only attacks certain dogs. It seems to me that I am not completely clueless when it comes to reading the body language of dogs. I can look at the other dog and say "she´s going to attack this one" or "she´ll be best friends with this dog"
animalobsessed1 8 months ago
@sequoyahbean If I notice that she´s about to attack another dog I can stop her, and then make her walk past the other dog without even needing a leash. I only use a leash in extreme cases because I don´t believe in using force to control animals.
The problem is that normal people are completely clueless, so when I am at school and my dad tries to walk her, that´s when things get out of hand.
animalobsessed1 8 months ago
@animalobsessed1 well... yes, sort-of... It should be done before the dog even reacts. If the dog is already lunging then it is to late to do anything but drag the dog away, which of course is not the ideal situation. If the dog is focused on trying to "attack" someone or another dog, 90% no matter what you do you can not get their attention, and adding a physical correction, the dog will more than likely associate it to the thing it is trying to get to and will raise the aggression level
SophiaRoseThePuppy 8 months ago
@DrTrevelyan Oh and another thing, the word "alpha" is just a word. A word that seems to upset so many people. Basically, what it means is that you tell the dog what to do, and the dog does it (without any "fear"), and not the other way around. You won´t find a single dog trainer who is not tryng to achieve this goal, even if they don´t use "The Word". If someone is trying to make their dog obey them using physical force, (or make the dog afraid in any other way,) then that person is not "alpha"
animalobsessed1 11 months ago
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DrTrevelyan 11 months ago
@animalobsessed1 But the word Alpha implies leading through force and aggression- dominating an individual. This happens in packs of unrelated wolves and may sometimes occur in packs of unrelated dogs, but very rarely and the pack needs to be large and have minimal contact with humans. So, whilst a real leader is a dog that is cool and calm and does not need to use force to lead, as the other dogs naturally respect his/her age, Alpha implies leading through force. This is why it is not liked.
mydogkanskidrums 10 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums
Being the Alpha means being calm and assertive... Police, pilots, and really any leadership role requires one to keep cool and in control while commanding or performing... The most effective leaders be they in a pack or landing a plane in trouble, managing a crisis or the daily hunt will be calm, in control and assertive. because anything less shows weakness and nature attacks weakness because survival requires inner strength not inner weakness.
trondyne 10 months ago
@trondyne You have described what a pack leader is- a good one. Usually the oldest dogs and those that don't need to use force of physical discipline because they are already respected, naturally, by all other members. But the word Alpha was coined by Mech (1970) and was applied to aggressive displays of dominance and leading through force. Luckily, in 1991, Mech recanted what he said and advised against the term in natural settings. An aggressive dog is the hallmark of a mid-ranking male
mydogkanskidrums 10 months ago 3
@trondyne I've never seen a "calm and assertive" police man in my whole life. ACAB.
iglooworkshop 10 months ago
@trondyne If it's good to be calm and assertive when dealing with dogs, then why does Cesar Millan always degenerate into being *authoritarian* instead????
sequoyahbean 9 months ago
@sequoyahbean
Degenerate into authoritarian? This just shows me you have no understanding of this material.. Pack Leader IS the authority figure in the pack... Nothing else need be said and the fact that you don't see that speaks volumes and explains why you parrot what you read but fail to understand... If you don't see PL as the key role then argue with mother nature.
Let's see the opposing POV people (whatever they advocate) deal with the extreme cases instead of symptoms....
trondyne 9 months ago
@trondyne - One still doesn't have to use force when dealing with extreme cases. People, please read the Position Statement on Dominance at the AVSAB web page. One of the first things you learn in Psych 101 is the difference between authoritarian, authoritative, and indulgent.. Positive trainers, contrary to Cesar's psychobabble, do not indulge their dogs. They teach them how to learn. It's the Cesar minions who parrot him, because they've neither read nor understood the real research.
sequoyahbean 8 months ago 3
@mydogkanskidrums
No that's NOT what Alpha means, This tells us that you don't understand the term. In nature the alpha leads with a calm assertive demeanor and even when a correction (bite) is used it's not to "hurt" it is used to communicate dominance--mother does this as well--DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE--they don't use words, they use their bodies to communicate.
The opposition wants dogs to be people..and Cesar has shown that this is actually what causes most problems in the first place.
trondyne 8 months ago
@trondyne Oh come on, the world of canine behaviour is a lot bigger and more complex than Cesar Millan. 95% of what he says is old-style theory, most of which has been proven to be incredibly simplistic and not accurate. The other 5 % (exercise, discipline and affection) is obvious: dogs need exercise, and any affection should be given at calm times or as a reward for specific behaviours. Sorry, that's not what Alpha means. Canines don't form dominance hierarchies. I have proof- do you? No.
mydogkanskidrums 8 months ago 2
@mydogkanskidrums
So wild dogs don't have a pack leader? No dominance? You have proof of this? Well let's see it... The world of canine behavior is bigger than Cesar Millan? I'd comment if I knew what it meant--it's meaningless
You have no idea what leadership is, calm assertive is primal, in animals and in humans. Cesar uses canine language.. His read on dogs is one of the best in the business. Many pros like him, most wont go off the deep end saying PL doesn't exist, its utter BS.
trondyne 8 months ago
@trondyne Wild dogs may have a canine in command, but it is the parents. There is no jostling for power, no fighting for 'pack leadership'. Two wolves have an offspring, by the time that offspring are nearing sexual maturity, they have left the pack, with some females staying to help raise the new offspring. But we're talking about domestic dogs, whose behaviour is very different. They are primarily scavengers, who form very loose aggregations, only grouping for mating. (continued)
mydogkanskidrums 8 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums
It's the parents? And when there are no parents? This happens all over the place where dogs run in packs in addition to actual wild dogs, there is most certainly a pack leader... Dogs have this hard wired direct from their ancestors for anyone with eyes to see.. Dogs are constantly challenging each other to find their "number" in the pack to see who is more dominant.. The communication that Cesar reads and uses in his work is spot on for anyone with eyes to see.
trondyne 8 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums
You are ascribing a theoretical norm to what you term "domestic" dogs. Dogs in the wild are hunters--you can watch them. Dogs like any social predator they have a pack leader who is dominant. The conversations that Cesar has with dogs can be seen in action. Bottom line is that Cesar's way is valid to the extent that he is consistently getting dogs to do what he wants through communication that is based on how the dog's brain is wired. If you are not the PL your dog is.
trondyne 8 months ago
@trondyne domestic dogs in the wild are scavengers, not hunters, and are fairly solitary, like most scavengers. You're thinking of wolves.
bjmensz 6 months ago
Respond to this video...Pet dogs seldom form groups as they are living on their own with humans. Whenever they do its fleeting groups- at the dog park, at someone's house, on holiday. For dogs that are in a group (say a group of 12 pet dogs in one home) there is a hierarchy- but that doesn't make it dominance. Dominance is a specific term used in ethology to describe groups that fight for resources e.g. walruses or impala for mating rights. They are not families but unrelated groups.
mydogkanskidrums 8 months ago
@mydogkanskidrums
Put your money where your mouth is buddy. Cesar puts himself out there dealing with dangerous dogs and helping them. There are better ways? Ok. So show us all the videos out there where folks are helping DANGEROUS dogs using the "enlightened" approach.. Let's see the videos... Site specific examples of Cesar's way and the "better" way.. There must be lots of them out there right? BS... Lots of examples of "experts" telling people there is "no fix".
trondyne 8 months ago
@animalobsessed1
They are applying their own human experience onto dog psychology--ignoring what happens naturally in the wild and how dogs have been genetically programmed in favor of their own personal and arbitrary human world-views about how the world *should* work...
trondyne 9 months ago
@Caninefan999 Fair enough, Cesar may not go away easily. But hopefully his methods will. They cause a lot more bad than good, especially when people at home try to do them. What needs to be followed is a simple, clear and effective method of training, so that all owners can train their dogs effectively...not to go around trying to alpha roll their dog if it barks at another dog. Dunbar has relevant research to back his methods, whereas Cesar only has old, mostly admonished, research.
mydogkanskidrums 1 year ago
@mydogkanskidrums honestly..if youve let your dog get to the point where attempting "cesars methods" are dangerous and cause bad..then youve already done the most damage of all...your logic on dog behavior seems a bit cloudy
DreamComeTrueK9 1 year ago
Is it true this guy got Cesar kicked off Animal Planet? He is so arrogant.
zaklukebillkate 1 year ago
@zaklukebillkate He actually is not arrogant at all, and I don't believe he got him kicked off. He has written some fabulous books on dog behaviour and is very highly qualified.
truthaboutforever7 1 year ago
@zaklukebillkate lol really...hes on NAT GEO not animal planet..and they are run by the same people
DreamComeTrueK9 1 year ago
Nice
tionghoe 1 year ago
Geez. What an offensive video. If you want the humans to learn from you maybe you should stop barking insults. Not much difference between training humans and training dogs. Snapping at them doesn't make them learn faster. If there's a failure in trust or communication try another method until something works. Like dogs, humans won't accept your instruction unless you establish trust first. If a trainer insulted me when I started asking questions I'd stop listening too. Step 1: Establish trust!
wiredwabbit 1 year ago 3
@wiredwabbit I'm not sure that Ian Dunbar actually SAID any of those things to the trainer he was working for. He probably just politely explained why their past attempts had failed, what he was going to teach them, and why it would work. I think the anecdote is just included at this seminar for the sake of humor and making a point.
ZanyZoey411 1 year ago 6
This was an excellent humorous yet very informative talk. Thank you Ian. It laid out some extremely import information that dog owner need to know.
jochris262 1 year ago
I loved this! I just listened to another one of his clips and thought he's more boring than any of my collecge professors. This video was spot on and he's entertaining in it. Now if he'd just lose all the training babble (industry jargon) he'd stand more apart from all the psycho babblers he references! But the ending of this is worth twice the price of admission. Great job, Doc!
doctordoolittle2800 1 year ago
Thank you for saying what I have always known..there are a lot of similarities in effective dog training and teaching. Dr. Ian Dunbar is a pioneer.
kilroywashere123 1 year ago
He has some good points but he's kinda Mr. Negative.
UltimateDQ 1 year ago
@UltimateDQ
The point he is trying to make is that bad dog behavior originates in uninformed training. He is trying to illustrate the damage done by misinformed people.
kilroywashere123 1 year ago
@kilroywashere123 Right, that's why I said he has some good points. He's right, he just kinda seems like a douche.
UltimateDQ 1 year ago
@UltimateDQ
I hear what you are saying. I think he is probably frustrated by what he sees with all the "bad dogs" (that, as a vet, he probably has to euthanize) that could have been great dogs if not for the stupidity of their human owners. Probably where he gets his negativity. I don't blame him.
kilroywashere123 1 year ago
ive trained my dog to eat diarrhea perfectly... now how do i get him to eat his own diarrhea composed of diarrhea he has already eaten and shit out. should i try rubbing calamine lotion on his testicals again? I mean ive gone as far as to follow the urban myths about shaving the dog. or maybe i should beat him into submission? if not im putting him down, pls message me back i need to know,
AnonymousSnack 1 year ago 2
@AnonymousSnack MAYBE U SHOULD BE FORCED INTO SUBMISSION, HAVE UR LIL BALLS SHAVED WITH A BOX CUTTER, BE FORCED TO EAT UR OWN SH*T, BEATIN AND THEN SLOWLY PUT DOWN. WASTED ENOUGH TIME ON IGNORANCE...OUT.
gentlegiants1 1 year ago
@gentlegiants1 leave him alone he asked an honest question and power to him for not being afraid like most people would, kudos to him for being brave and stepping up to the plate to ask questions people like him will be very successful in life while people like you will die from drinking bath tub water, maybe you should take a hard look at yourself before you criticize others. just because of what happened to your dad ryan in the car accident last summer doesnt make it ok to be unkind to others.
dvssk8er3 1 year ago 7
@dvssk8er3 LIKE I SAID I WASTED ENOUGH TIME ON IGNORANCE. DONT KNOW YOU SO HAVE FUN BUT I WONT RESPOND ANYMORE SORRY
gentlegiants1 1 year ago
i bet you have a big penis dont you sexy
dvssk8er3 1 year ago
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dog10crazy 1 year ago
If they are alive they LIKE FOOD. If you free feed your dog then expect him to be motivated for training by cheerios it may not be as easy but I dont care if u just dumped the whole bag of food on the floor if u grab a steak ur dog will be motivated. If u had fed ur dog on schedule an trained around that an ur dog still lacks motivation its not the dog but something in the training that causes lack of motivation The reward for getting it right is not worth the consequence for being wrong usually
gentlegiants1 1 year ago
good stuff, thank you for posting it.
FuneralFragz 1 year ago
personally i think this guy is a pompas A@#....If you can't keep a dog close? how do you expect to keep a family together? Whatever!!......if i wanted this, i would have listened to Dr. Phil. He makes all the obvious statements. Pet owners understands what to do. They just decide not to do what has been proven. I wonder how much this guy gets paid for that Cr#%. Sorry
RcNickster 1 year ago
whenever i give my dog a treat she goes hiper and she doesnt really listen. She only jumps and barks
AlanJStain 1 year ago
@AlanJStain Then thats your first training session. Simply stand with treat ignoring your dog completely an let your dog jump and bark. As soon as your dog gives up and sits or just looks up at you give the treat. Do it over and over adding the cue "calm" or "relax" before you know it you will have your dogs full attention in a calm manor. It may take 3 min or even longer the first few times before your dog stops barking an jumping but I promise if your patient and just wait he will stop.
gentlegiants1 1 year ago
@soxfox - thank you! Nice to read a cogent comment that is not just a boast. Ian's best help for me is that dog's good behavior is different from just good training. We live with the behaviors and I for one have benefited from the logic and sequence of which he reminds me to be observant.
cinejan 1 year ago
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this guy is gay i wanna slap him and so does my dog my dog is a trained rescue dog she doesnt need this guy
22cookiegirl 1 year ago
Fabulous! Thank you.
datachip 1 year ago
Sorry, gotta disagree. Barkbusters is by far the best. My dogs are NOT motivated by ANYTHING and they aren't the only ones. I have used everything. I'm sorry to see you are giving advise yet so little knowledge about dogs. Other trainers have NO idea what to do, and either does Dunbar!
RawFedDog 1 year ago
if your dog likes food, but what about dogs that aren't food motivated at all, these technques do not work!
He's got some good ideas, read some of his books and watched videos. Found barkbusters works far better! LOVE them.
RawFedDog 1 year ago
@RawFedDog Food is not the only form of reward. Find out what your dog finds motivating -toys, praise? If your dog won't motivate for anything he has a seriou problem and I would see a behavior expert, not a framchise trainer.
k9trainer30 1 year ago
wow
markdk 1 year ago
Very interesting video. Couldn't have said it any better!
wingsNpaws 1 year ago
I really really need help. My dog is the sweetest dog in the world. I mean he is playfull with kids, he loves everyone and everything. And he is obedient and walk next to me at all times
StopReadingThisXP 1 year ago
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CrueLoaf 1 year ago
But whenever during the walk, if he sees another dog up the street, he will start barking like crazy, and try to pull the leash and stuff to go and start a fighy or someething, I cant do anything about it and at that moment whatever i do, he doesnt listen. Just continues. HELP ME.
StopReadingThisXP 1 year ago
@StopReadingThisXP Try a lose lead and get his attention using a food lure and work on a 'watch me' exercise. Look for a book called Feisty Fido.
CrueLoaf 1 year ago
It would probably help if you went to a training class and learned some techniques to help your dog. We're not born knowing how to train dogs, just as dogs aren't born knowing how to behave politely. :)
Archer5219 1 year ago
I can't help you with the barking but the pulling might be solved by the method i got from zak george. watch?v=vIdeT5S9u4Y. He also might need to be socialized with more dogs in a neutral environment. But I'm new at this so maybe a pro trainer would be more help
jimmy202500 1 year ago
@jimmy202500 for barking issues put it on cue. Every time the dog parks click treat and say speak. Once the dog barks on cue add the cue quiet. cue speak, dog barks, click an treat, as soon as dog swallows treat give the cue "quiet" and immediately click and treat. Before long the dog learns the cue quiet means no speaking. any unwanted behavior can also be put on cue and followed by a cue to stop the behavior.
gentlegiants1 1 year ago
Ian saves lives: he saves families and pets. I am so glad Cesar is not on AP anymore. Cesar is a joke; he leaves out critical elements so the viewers drool over him, not helping dogs. Ian calls the humans on their behavior; it's a learning curve for us, the dogs will be dogs.
cinejan 1 year ago 12
Though I do think a lot of what Cesar says shouldn't just be thrown off as BS, I do agree that he leaves our a lot of great training elements, such as positive reinforcement obedience training, and the like. Cesar mostly works on getting humans to understand how dogs basically see the world, he dehumanizes the dogs, and shows the humans how to fulfill dog's basic needs. But he doesn't show how powerful positive reinforcement training is.
S0XF0X 1 year ago
@S0XF0X Ceasar is not a dog trainer. He says so himself. He is a self taught, charismatic reality show star. He tries to explain "how a dog thinks", but he gets it wrong, especially with dominance theory. To his defense, he does get owners to control thier emotions and give direction to thier dogs. This does get the dogs on his (edited, pre selected) show under better control.
k9trainer30 1 year ago 3
@k9trainer30 Your right! Cesar is not a dog trainer, hes a dog psychologist. Theres a difference between a dog trainer and a dog psychologist. Ian only uses band aid solutions that you have to do everytime you want the dog to do something. Cesar nips the problem in the bud and you dont have to repeat nothing to get a perfect dog. People (who usulally who has done no research and have nothin to back up their claim) say cesars method dont work. Well with nothing but success stories........
riverapr861 1 year ago
Tell me the difference between a dog 'psychologist', 'trainer' and 'behaviourist'. In order to be good at just one of those apparently separate professions, you need to be good at all of them. To train you need to understand psychology. Cesar is a sensationalist, using out of date methods that flood the dog into never doing anything 'wrong', as the dog is too scared to. Postive trainers, guide the dog in understanding the desired behaviour and make it fun for the dog. There's a huge difference.
mydogkanskidrums 1 year ago
@riverapr861 And people who haven't done their research ONLY believe Cesar Millan is correct. Read any pulished piece of writing on modern dog behaviour training, nearly all of Cesar's concepts are proven wrong. This is what annoys me the most- people claim to have seen Cesar and think they know about dogs, when in actuality, they know zero about dog behaviour themselves. Trust me and many others, Cesar is a sensationalist and his time is quickly running out.
mydogkanskidrums 1 year ago
@mydogkanskidrums Huge difference btwn what your taught in the academy and what you experience out there in the real world...thats the truth with many things....apparently i havent done my research and my business and passion is destined to fail just like Cesars..hes doing everything wrong it seems...LOL
DreamComeTrueK9 1 year ago
@riverapr861 You only see success stories on tv, why would a tv show so a failing story? His methods do not work in the long term. As a trainer that only uses positive reinforcement I have never had any of my clients upset in the long run. There is no reason you have to hit or use a choke chain on a dog to get them to listen. Consistency is the key. If you lack it you will have no luck. With clicker training and positive training you do not always have to have treats or a clicker.
LoefflerHeather 1 year ago
@riverapr861 Also, Cesar has gotten bit many times by a dog while training, if you are bit then you are doing something wrong. I don't know of a positive reinforcement training getting bit by a dog. Please do some more research.
LoefflerHeather 1 year ago
@LoefflerHeather its u that needs to do the research my friend
DreamComeTrueK9 1 year ago
@cinejan
Cesar isn't a dog it's just his method is different. When you have 30+ really badly behaved dogs to a point they will kill or attack another dog or person that is now very well behaved he's doing something right.
Every trainer has a different method. Cesar may be more hands on in terms of physical but it ain't hurting the dog. No point hating when his method does work.
boon111 1 year ago
@cinejan Yeah, and Cesar does the exact same thing in every episode. You can basically just watch one episode and know his entire technique.
dadiddlydooda 1 year ago
@cinejan
A lot of what Ian says is very compatible and in line with Cesar's way. It all comes down to results. Many owners will find simple fixes are easier to manage because of their own limitations--not everyone can pull off being the pack leader.
Cesar is known for dealing with extreme cases where a simple solution isn't possible. There is no simple fix for red zone cases and many accepted good guy trainers will say these cases can't be helped--and this is when Cesar's way shines..
trondyne 10 months ago
@trondyne
Actually, Ian Dunbar works with very very aggressive dogs. You should look up the bite scale that doctors use to evaluate dog bite cases. You will see that Ian Dunbar made the scale. SO if anyone knows about aggression in dogs, and we mean severe aggression, it would Ian Dunbar.
braeraphael 9 months ago
@trondyne Sorry, I don't buy it. While there are some things on which the two men might agree, from what I've seen on the TV show, most of the dogs that Cesar deals with are fearful. In fact, the aggression that arises out of fear is the most common, since 80% of all aggression is rooted in fear. To label dogs "red zone" is just a marketing tool to make him seem more powerful than he is. Truly, good behavior modification is as boring as watching paint dry, so he has to use hype for ratings.
sequoyahbean 9 months ago
WOW crucial video !!!! hold tight the dog training crew !!! big up the doggy massive!!! respect the k9 posse !!!! did any dogs have to be humanely drowned during the making of this video ?
umbongosidboatang 2 years ago
i like it
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MrDeckard1138 2 years ago
Yes fixing a dog is like fixing a car, you follow these instructions to the letter everything will be great? You don't train a dog you learn how to be a dog owner and think like a dog. Once you get the part about thinking like a dog you understand why things work and do not work. Then you can move on to conditioning and rewarding the good behavior. You redirect inappropriate behavior and reward the good stuff. There are merits to the crap in this video but not much.
CALLMECRAZY69 2 years ago
One must realize that all "experts" have good points and bad points. It is necessary to take all and glean the information/training that will help you be a better dog trainer.
bslbeachbum 2 years ago
Disappointed in Dunbar for having a hand in removing Cesar's show from animals planet over jealousy of the whispers success and his lack of.
jam1037 2 years ago
Love how he acknowledges that there are more than one way to train a dog and that the be all and end of all training is the effectiveness of owners in following through.
Lifewhisperer 2 years ago 3
he is kind of saying just fix the problem and dont worry about why the problem is starting
GDL188 2 years ago
gfff
steoyea 2 years ago
Great video, as a trainer it is SO irritating to work with people who hire you, then don't want to listen to you, then expect you to train their dog to be perfect in one hour. I enjoy watching the training shows on animal planet and NatGeo in my spare time, but I've seriously had owners say things like "well (insert famous trainer name here) fixed a dog like mine in one episode on their show..." People get dog's and don't realize it takes time to train them.
tabbycat05 2 years ago 26
I see what you mean. I want to be a trainer myself but I know that there will be times when they will not listen, and not be happy when you inform them that they are doing it wrong and advise how to do it right.
eryberrie 2 years ago
Hey um, sounds interesting. Hey is there a college major in that? I'm not interested in much at college, except ones that lead to a nature or animal job.
FangnclawX 2 years ago
Yes! There are animal behavior degrees, it is a form of psychology. Look into programs offered at different colleges. I am having a hard time finding a program in my state. Arg!
chelseaeryn 2 years ago
Oh, you're a teen too? I thought u were already past all this, darn. lol
FangnclawX 2 years ago
No, I am an old lady (23) hahaha. Just recently started moving towards the degree and getting my APDT certification. A local trainer is certified and is helping me along. Job shadowing is a great way to get some insight into the job (menial paperwork, arrrg!) and watching obedience classes is helpful too! I am having so much fun learning! I'll have to break soon because our first baby is coming in May. Dogs or baby...? hmmm...;-)
chelseaeryn 2 years ago
Aw ahaha, well both grow up to be ur big kids. oh yeah see that's what I want, like on the job training! I don't care about money yet, I'd like to find something that teaches more to the point. And may be more one on one. (there's not even any tutors at our campus)
FangnclawX 2 years ago
I am so excited that you are pursuing an interest in this ever growing field! I am having such a great time learning! Dog training is all about experience. I started as a dog walker and now I am slowly working my way up. Dare I use the phrase "street cred"? lol. Life is so much more fun with animals, good for you for wanting to help them!=)
chelseaeryn 2 years ago
For being a dog trainer, look into becoming certified by the APDT. It takes a LOT of time and experience under your belt for the certification, and you need to pass a 250 question exam. It is worth it though if training is what you want to do=)
chelseaeryn 2 years ago
That was a really great speach,it had slot of good points.
matilda44441 2 years ago
Well said. Fixing unwanted behavior doesn't need to be/ shouldn't be painfull.
darrelhager 2 years ago 2
Haha! Some Owners are harder than others.
darrelhager 2 years ago
Great stuff Dr. Dunbar.
Been a great fan of yours
anaknyasibeng 2 years ago
Wow, this is great stuff and so true!
ThePawPad 2 years ago
Well said but chill out with the sarcasm dude.
speedyweasle 2 years ago
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chiongki06 2 years ago
this works really well
karl536 2 years ago
my 5 month old german shepherd is
agressive with other dogs,any advice
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dronningmaud 2 years ago
put him on a leash, and watch his reaction to the other dog. ignore his bad behaviour, take distance from your dog, step back or something to show him. or even turn your back to him. your dog is provoking the dog, thats fine but you have nothing to do with it. so step away. as soon as he doensnt react to the other dog, ignoring it or watching at you, you reward him with 'good boy' or something, or a treat.
GuitarFreakBashing 2 years ago
thanks for the great tip,I will try that
gameiohfreak 2 years ago
when she is offleash,she charges at other dogs and kind of scares them,but she puts her front paws down in a playing mood,but she runs way to fast up to other dogs
gameiohfreak 2 years ago
Oke, i saw this kind of behaviour before with other dogs. It's likely your dog had a bad expirience (probably with your trainer, who's incompetent to teach). Keep rewarding good behaviour as i told. But you really have to 'read' your dogs bodylanguage. If she's not actively showing wrong behaviour but only with bodylanguage, you dont want to reward that either. She really has to show good behaviour for the reward.
GuitarFreakBashing 2 years ago
Also, try to get in touch with owners of stable, slighty dominant, social, secure dogs. You definitely want to practice with dogs like that. I think she doesnt know how to play anymore, cause of traumatic expirience. She should get lots of practice with stable social dogs to show her not allz dogs are bad. She should learn to ignore dogs when she's on leash, and play with them of leash. Might take weeks or months before it starts to show effect thow. Dont give up.
GuitarFreakBashing 2 years ago
Why are you asking for dog training advice from people you don't even know? You have no way of knowing if someone is giving good advice or bad. Before I hired a dog trainer to teach me how to teach my dog, I spent time researching the credentials, experience, and training philosophies of several trainers. My dog is too important to be entrusted to just anyone.
DianeDogma 2 years ago 2
I had my gsd pup for 3 weeks with a professionell trainer,qualified and certified,but the outcome was really bad,so what can it hurt to ask others for advice,thanks to the trainer,my dog is now agressive towards other dogs
gameiohfreak 2 years ago
Its better to visit a good dogforum to ask questions. Or buy some books about raising dogs and training dogs. But you should be carefull with that too, cause there are still lots of people trying to teach you the wrong way. Books about positive training methodes works the best. Its based on rewarding instead of punishment. 9 out of 10 times the dog gets agressive cause he's scared or insecure. Did my tip helped your dog so far? And how does your dog react to other dogs when he's of leash?
GuitarFreakBashing 2 years ago
@DianeDogma Great advice!!!
k9trainer30 1 year ago
how can i et my puppy to stop barking?
nat100887 2 years ago
ignore your puppy when he is barking. dont even look at him. reward him when he is quiet. dont tell him to stop barking, cause negative attention is attention too so its rewarding for the dog if you talk to him. works 100% just ignore.
GuitarFreakBashing 2 years ago 2
Hang on. Why is your puppy barking? Boredom? Dogs bark for so many reasons, what is your puppy trying to tell you? When and where does he bark? Is he/she getting enough exercise? A tired puppy is a good puppy. A stuffed kong can also keep him/her busy.
DianeDogma 2 years ago