Ion based electric heat compression jet engine cad

[seinankhan1]

its good to c how far we lack behind..

[AA18F]

well this idea is going in my book, :P if that okay with you. ps its gonna be an a fighter jet :D a new kind

[Islamfromallah]

thenoblequran (Ctrl+Enter)

[largebutsmall]

im doin sometin for the science fair and this would be great!!!

[vaj99]

wud it be battery powered?

[Heathh49008]

The goal in your design seems to be driving the ducted fan. You can do that with a more conventional electric motor with higher efficiency... converting electricity to hot gas, and then using the expansion to drive blades, wasting all that energy as heat...

Not to be a downer, it would work... but not well.

[cerebrate]

" passes the air through a fan, which blows it into a compression chamber"

Fan is powered by electric motor. Already got your idea covered.

[boxa888]

did tesla have something like that?? he made the first jet engine called a tesla turbine. then he made it electrical. he said if the airplane didnt get the gas engine up fast as it did, he was going to unvail a all electric jet engine, ionized air probably would have been the fuel. great job, i think in the 50s they made ion engines that have a anode and cathode lik what you have.

[koerky74]

radabTV

[Kimble275]

Your source possibly needs at a least of 30,000 volts or greater.

I know what your trying to do. ;)

I wouldn't share these ideas.

[diverse2020inc]

i think your on to a good concept keep thinking on it and maybe build a rough model

[slavetotheblues]

Electrics is not my strong point but i do love the idea. Except as commented before unless i'm mistaken, you can't compress electricity only air and you would need to create a difference in air pressure to create a jet effect. Either way I say build it. We need more inventors and solutions. Maybe a video with more detailed explanations of how things work would help novices like myself.

[hellkid94]

i have a much simpler idea for an electric engine

[theinsane101]

you should look up lifters. they fly by ionizing the air.

[cerebrate]

it's where I originally got the idea

[tescouilles]

Africans didn't have the wheel 600 years ago when the Portuguese showed up on the Dark Continent.

They did however have the electric jet engine.

[CadetBailey]

yo i see how this works see the electricity is compressed behind the fan blade

[samthekingyo]

cool idea- but does it work?

[FilmPA]

looks like a real advanced pepper shaker.

[PieLordPdRocks4]

then paten the idea but becareful the chinese will try to take it if its good

[cerebrate]

well, the only problem is patenting takes a lot of money, and i really don't know how well this design will work (nor do I know if it's patented already).

And it doesn't really matter though, because as long as this stays on youtube, I have prior art (which I'd be fine if someone went and made this, cause heck, it could be awesome, I'd just make them give me a bit of their money if they made any).

[luketrashtalker]

It wouldn't work as well as a fuel powered jet engine because of the way the air molecules are heated. In a jet engine, fuel is nebulized, injected into and mixed with the air stream where it is ignited. The ignition heats the entire air stream to around 1500 - 1800 degrees celsius. However, an electrical heating element will only heat those air molecules that come into contact with it.

[luketrashtalker]

Also, I believe there might even be a potential for increased turbulence within the engine due to uneven heating of the air stream. That could mean increased vibration which could shake the engine apart.

[SirNails]

The only problem with this is getting a higher efficency than standard electric engines have (0.8 to 0.95 or 80 to 95%)

[narlzp]

@cerebrate I had similar ideas but soon realised that to convert electrical energy to heat would be a waste of heat. Most anodes need a bit of heat to start up. I soon gave up and started looking elsewhere like composite blades arrrgg!! taken by GE thats alright its just that when doing uni research you have to update your knowledge too.

[narlzp]

@cerebrate Oh and I would like to add you cannot really patent an idea. You can however patent unique aspects of your idea like shape, size the parts made and used and to what order things like that. A engineering firm may have a similar idea but may have a design differing slightly as to make you original claims of originality insufficient over theirs.

[nguyentuan1990]

i agreed, dam chinese, they steal everything.

[LuckeWent]

True

[roidroid]

i'm glad to see other people interested in air-based electric propulsion too :).

my idea is to make VASIMR rockets air-augmented, and perhaps even air-fueled like in your idea - but instead of just ionizing the air it will superheat it to a Plasma state (as is done in traditional VASIMR designs - which will allow magnetic nozzles to be used).

It could perhaps be capable of single-stage-to-orbit and beyond.

[fitshuck]

@roidroid

far, FAR beyond.. using a magnetic field to direct plasma flow is exactly what i've had dwelling in my mind since last semester. sooo much electrically charged energy! you should message me man, i'll share some designs i come up with in solidworks and we can collab or somethin?

[roidroid]

@fitshuck will do :)

[Zeglr]

Hmmm... Air ionization produces large quantities of ozone (a toxic gas). Might this make any atmospheric ion craft very environmentally unfriendly?

[cerebrate]

This is true. Ozone is harmful for humans, and is a corrosive. However, it also acts as UV shield in the upper atmosphere. Currently, our ozone's depleted, so I don't think it'd be a problem for a while

[nonarKitten]

NASA's already working on this :) To spin the turbine with electricity you'd need to use super conducting magnets to reduce the weight, and replace the combustion phase with fins using diaelectric fields. Something the size of a 747 would need a mini fission reactor to power the thing, even with super-conductors.

[nurbsenvi]

So no crude oil means the end of air travel...

shit.

[ant2190]

how do they get the blades off while its still spinning!?

[cerebrate]

This is to merely show how it works, and all the inner parts, while it is still moving. It's not to show how to take it apart.

[ant2190]

I know :P

[nurbsenvi]

The comment wasn't dumbed down enough to appear sarcastic.

[ags911]

solidworks is a good program, it can do this too.

[cerebrate]

yes, yes it can. Except I don't have solidworks, as it costs a bucketload of money. Just blender.

[Mapanatl]

Where is the theory or narration??

without it, this assembly makes no sense.

[Elevationary]

Can any one please tell me what is the name of this CAD application,i would love to get my hands on it

[KAPORALDANGER]

NICE JOB !!!

[mathmyster]

well done, you can do cad!!!

but where is your thermodynamics? this looks like BS

[chronos1137]

good idea man i bet it will work, iv thought about desining one myself but i havent got around to it iv been to busy desining other types of the so called e.h.d thrusters with e.m.p.'s to eccelerate the ions

[lsucowboy]

So when are you going to build one?

[cerebrate]

hah! when I get money. I've got too many things that require money before this though. SO possibly never.

Oh, and samuel. Like I do with everything else: Blender.

[Samuelgames]

Awesome, what program you used for simulate the Fan?

[rapax7474]

most likely an AUTOCAD program

[daveythewavey19]

Its already been invented, its called an ion engine, it was built like 50 years ago and they only work in space because the thrust is miniscule

[cerebrate]

I realize that there's already such a thing...

The funny thing is is how *efficient* said engine is.

So I got the idea to add a bunch of other stuff, such as a preheater and compressor, in order to increase the thrust.

[rapax7474]

EXACTLY my point. please look at the above post. the reason the thrust is so miniscule is because of the lack of air flow.

[cerebrate]

fan disk? Are you talking about say, the turbine blades? One of the main ideas is that it can be entirely fanless, as it's using an EHD thruster. I opted a fan in there to increase the pressure of the compression.

[rapax7474]

i think ollylewin is talking about the Jets turbine air intake blades. I do not think this will work either. you have very little opening for intake of air. jet engine works on the basic momentum principle p=mass of air * velocity. in case of jets, mass of air is smaller but the velocity of air is high (F-16 engine for example) as opposed to 747 turbofan.

[ollylewin]

It wont work. Wheres the actual fan disc? If its the blue thing in the middle, how is it going to propel?

Stick to the normal jet design, with the fan disc at the front, and high bypass air around your new design. See how that sounds. Im no aviation engineer, but i do know how jet engines work. It is the fan disc at the front that gives the main part of thrust, the turbine just keeps it spinning. It is ONLY the turbine that we need to replace.