This Week In Linux: Fedora 13 Alpha Gnome LiveCD First Look!

[0127012076]

hai, do you know where in the link for me to get fedora 13 dailup driver or installer..

could any body help...

im new in fedora, thank you.

[ygotcgftw]

wow this look like ubuntu 9.10

[thisweekinlinux]

@ygotcgftw well, it looks like Gnome. :P Should be a similar interface across most Gnome-based distributions.

[daeamarth]

Lightweight? LOL Go look up "daeamarth acer netbook"

[thisweekinlinux]

@daeamarth Watching it right now. :)

[mguilmot]

The final release is scheduled later this month (the 25th if all goes well).

Have to say, if you want the least problems with the install, use the full CD's or DVD's. I installed 12 first with a live CD and had a few troubles getting all to work. With the DVD all went perfect just with the install. Have no idea what is different, but there is a difference. Still love Fedora ever since the very first release years ago.

But you cannot call it light weight though :-)

[thisweekinlinux]

@mguilmot Yeah, kinda sad they had to push back again, but it's probably for the best.

I know I used the DVD when I installed my laptop with Fedora, and it was not a problem at all.

"Light weight" is sort of a relative term. Gnome is lightweight compared to KDE, but it's bloated compared to Xfce, Fluxbox, etc.

[mguilmot]

@thisweekinlinux I don't think it's sad. If you look at their release policies, you should just be happy that they postponed the release. I prefer to have the release a week or two later than having one where you will need to use workarounds to make certain things work :-)

[mguilmot]

I've never found the redhat based distro's lightweight. I've used lots of distributions in the past, including Debian and Slackware, and they looked a lot faster, but then again, they're a bit tougher to use (especially 6-7 years ago). When I compare Fedora now comparing with my Mandrake 8.2 years ago, we've come a LONG way. Nowadays everyone should be able to use linux (Fedora or Ubuntu e.g.) without any problems. Except maybe gamers who need a Win box for their games...

[thisweekinlinux]

@mguilmot Exactly. Looking back, it's amazing the amount of growth Linux distros have made in just the last few years.

[thisweekinlinux]

@mguilmot Yeah, that's a good point, but the bugs they're waiting to fix, if I understand correctly, are really specific and mostly related to NFS.

[gangstabadboy23]

Oh My Good i Just STARTED TO LOVE LINUX!!! <3

[thisweekinlinux]

@gangstabadboy23 really? awesome!

[MrSebzi]

i really want to try this (not in a virutuel box) do you think i should switch from ubuntu to this? (sorry for my crappy english) :P

[thisweekinlinux]

@MrSebzi that's entirely up to you. I would definitely suggest trying it in a virtualbox first to make sure you're comfortable with the way to install new software and configure the system, then make sure to make a backup of your existing system before you install it, if you decide to.

[MrSebzi]

@thisweekinlinux thx for replying :) and whats youre favourit linux distro? just want to know :P

[thisweekinlinux]

@MrSebzi no problem :) I like Fedora and Ubuntu pretty well, but I'm actually trying out Arch on my laptop right now, and it's sort of awesome. Very lightweight and you only get what you tell it to install, nothing more, nothing less.

[MrSebzi]

@thisweekinlinux cool thx the only thing i don't like about the arch linux is the installasjon prosses but all in all a great os :)

[thisweekinlinux]

@MrSebzi I'll admit, it's sort of difficult to get going, but if you follow the Beginner's Guide, it's not too bad. I'm actually doing that right now

[MrSebzi]

@MrSebzi cool :D

[H4x0r18]

I've been really think about switching from Ubuntu to this. Just because Fedora looks more clean and appealing for my needs. Also Fedora isn't bloated with games and such, just the important apps. What are your reasons for Fedora? And do you if its possible to upgrade from beta to latest release? Also nice Dr. Pepper pants. I have the same kind, lol I should definitely buy your t-shirt and then have my dr.pepper pants on. ;-)

[thisweekinlinux]

@H4x0r18 I actually went over my reasons in my second Ask TWIL video, if you'd like to watch it. Much easier than typing it over. :)

It's definitely possible to upgrade to the latest release from a beta.

[kaddy01980]

arghhh fuck it.... i'm gonna try out Fedora 12.... i've never really given Fedora a good run before but i've used just about every other popular distro for quite a long period of time.... wish me luck... kaboom! :P

[thisweekinlinux]

@kaddy01980 Good luck! Fedora 12 is a great distro that I've been running for a few months now, and the beta for Fedora 13 comes out today!

[VueltaAlPasado]

Your pants are awesome! Keep up the epic vids pal :D

[thisweekinlinux]

@VueltaAlPasado My pants? Thanks, I think? :)

[VueltaAlPasado]

@thisweekinlinux btw, look at your comment board, in your channel. :)

[djwela]

The Fedora 13 background is very nice? Ubuntu 10.04 or Fedora 13? hmmm

[thisweekinlinux]

@djwela yeah, there's definitely some neat artwork in Fedora (even in Fedora 12).

[Ervine4]

@djwela fedora 13, yum install FTW

[ThingsontheWeb]

I had the same issue with the bad sectors message. I had the Windows 7 swap on that drive. Once I reinstalled both of my OS on the drive, the message went away. I don't really believe it.

I'm actually debating over Fed 13 and U 10.04 ... Fedora seems a bit quicker, but Ubuntu is more widely used ... I will have some thinking to do this Spring,

[thisweekinlinux]

Hmm. now that I think about it, I haven't formatted my /home partition in a while. it's entirely possible that I do actually have that many bad sectors. I'll have to try to load the liveCD on my desktop and see if it happens there too.

[frvfilms]

what fedora is a gang? jk,

yeah fedora is just a ubuntu clone

ubuntu is just a devian clone

with different wall papers and themes

common, devs consolidate and think twice!

[thisweekinlinux]

well, they all use Gnome. not exactly clones, just the same software. just like Kubuntu and Fedora KDE. not clones really, they just use the same desktop environments.

[SmithRuel]

Hmmm... Fedora is Red Hat, who was around about 10 years before Ubuntu. Are you really this stupid?

Fedora isn't anything like Ubuntu, except that it's Linux and uses Gnome by default. And, BTW, guess who's doing the most development in Linux? You guessed it: Red Hat Linux, which is Fedora.

[frvfilms]

pwd!

[thisweekinlinux]

pwd? /home/ThisWeekInLinux/Fedora13­AlphaVideo ? :)

[De4dSpace]

Do you give out "This Week In Linux" T's? Donation?

[thisweekinlinux]

I actually set up a store through a 3rd party website. they print them on-demand and I can control the commission I get on them. haven't got it quite where I want it yet though. When I do I'll put a link on my website though.

[thisweekinlinux]

I still back Fedora mainly because of the performance I get with Kdenlive and the lag I get on Ubuntu when I record with a USB mic.

There are definitely some bugs in the F13 alpha, like that bad sectors one. Hopefully they'll take care of that before May.

[thisweekinlinux]

I've actually got a store set up, but I'm not happy with the products in it yet. I need to take some time to design some more stuff.

[SubaruSumeragiX1999]

I've been using Ubuntu since Karmic Koala came out and I'm still a linux n00b. I've tried to check out as many distros as possible but I have yet to find anything that simply works as well as ubuntu. You've mentioned that you think ubuntu is bloated, and that you now use fedora. What would you say is the biggest difference between fedora and ubuntu?

[thisweekinlinux]

Fedora is based on Red Hat (it uses RPMs for packages) where Ubuntu is based on Debian (it uses DEB files for packages).

Other than that there are a lot of similarities.

[SubaruSumeragiX1999]

I suppose RPM's are as easy to install as DEB's. Thanks for the response man, and I love your show. As a Linux newbie, I'm trying to learn any simple tips and tricks that I can to get a better grasp on the basics.

[thisweekinlinux]

RPMs are definitely just as easy to install as DEBs, it's just a little different. if you use the terminal to install, with Ubuntu you'd type "sudo apt-get install PACKAGE". with Fedora it's "sudo yum install PACKAGE". The package names are not always the same, but if nothing else you can type "yum search PACKAGE" and find it usually.

[librano]

I thought Fedora was anti-Mono... i.e. they wouldn't have Tomboy...

[thisweekinlinux]

It's entirely possible that was Gnote instead of Tomboy, now that I look back. I'll have to load up the LiveCD again and see what it actually was.

[thisweekinlinux]

loaded the live cd again, and it's definitely Gnote. Definitely my mistake, thanks for catching that, librano!

[librano]

nitpicking FTW! haha

[DarthScape]

I wonder when they will start including chromium instead of firefox lol

[TheLifeRuiner]

Why would they?

It's unstable.

[thisweekinlinux]

I haven't had a chance to use a recent build of Chromium, but I don't mind Chrome. I don't think it's quite as mature as Firefox (though Firefox is a bit bloated).

I think it'll be quite a while before they change to anything else.

[librano]

The Fedora guys are very particular about what software they use... from a philosophical/ethical POV. I don't think Chromium and its Google tracking code will make it into the default install.