@palatiality just b/c u don't smoke doesn't mean that u are sitting pretty. soon the government will decide to ban what u enjoy the most. u really going w/ that? fuck no, u will go cry to your mother and suck on her fake plastic boobs. then u realize how smokers feel. there is no health triumph, only fraud triumph disguising as health.
and ps the nonsmoker is not the common man, the oppressed american is. and you're one of them buddy.
@8lig neither do u so shut the fuck up about this clean air bullshit. there's more than enough car fumes and chemical fumes to pollute the air to do a lot more damage than second hand smoke. stop being an antismoke follower and realize after all the smokers are extinct, you will never inhale any clean air b/c the second hand smoke is a bunch of bullshit those antismoke bullies have brainwashed u with. they don't give a shit about our wellbeing, they just want to suck us dry.
Awww your business of giving people lung cancer and promoting second hand smoke is going down the drain? I'm SO sorry. Not really. Go fuck up somebody elses lungs asshole.
about a month ago I visited a few relatives in Florida and I found a bar about a quarter mile away from their house. I walked there and it feels like going back in time. The bar sells drinks and food and allows smoking! Enjoying that would be illegal in more than 30 states.
this is yet ANOTHER example where the govt creates a problem through legislation and then tries to solve it with more legislation. the initial problem is all the licensing which artificially restricts the supply of bars. remove that, and you'll naturally have smoking AND non smoking bars as bar owners compete to satisfy the varying preferences of consumers. believe it or not the "solution" for everything doesn't have to be govt "laws" combined with threats of guns and cages.
how many bars in an area where smoking in bars is still legal do you know of that actually chose to ban smoking on its own without the government forcing it?
How about liberty from smokers? If you are is addicted to nicotine, buy some gum or get a patch but don't force me to deal with the side-effects and health consequences of your nasty habits in public. You have to go to a firing range to shoot guns, you should have to go to a smoking lounge to smoke tobacco. I'd like to go to a bar to have a drink and not have to suffer for habits I don't have.
@AynRKey This is why I patronize bars in Illinois: People are 'invited' to go outside to smoke, and (usually) the bar owner provides a heated and sheltered outdoor space for this activity; patrons welcomed back in when they are done. I have no problems associating with fellow patrons in the bar, as long as they are not actively smoking. Likewise, urinating, spitting and defecating -- there is an appropriate time and a place for everything that causes a health hazard to others.
@kokoru42 THANK YOU! Seriously, there should be like... smoking hubs built so smokers can go sit in their nicotine sauna environments like they want and us non-smokers can have our air simultaneously.
We both win. Sound like a reasonable compromise, smokers?
@Asalieri2 the smoking hubs would be air tight vaults or some shit, so that nasty, poisonous, toxic, noxious smoke doesn't creep into non-smoker territory.
@palatiality No some of us are business owners that provide jobs for other people that have dependants relying on them . Responsibility to self and family is a lesson you have not learned yet grasshopper.
Well! It's about time we ban our entire government! But, what then? The goons in government will just round us all up and put us into their nearby FEMA camp on most Military bases, and chop our heads off! Don't you just love our elected government?
Nothing is being banned. The percent who want to kill themselves still can; they just can't kill the 80 percent of us smart enough not to smoke anynmore. The 20 percent must be the richest people in Michigan because they have such a huge effect on business.
Ah, so if no one owns the air we breath, why do you feel the need to own the air and tell the owners of these establishments that it has to be smoke free? And do you know what you also have the right to do? Not visit a bar that allows smoking. You could also request to go to the non-smoking section of a restaurant, which are pretty good areas to go to, if one wishes to not smell cigarettes.
@8lig I don't smoke moron. But I sure do respect the right to do so. Just because it's something you don't agree with, doesn't mean you have to support banning it. Because maybe next time it will be a ban on something you enjoy...
This is what I've been talking about. Banning all the crooked govs from EVERY aspect of life!
To include but not limited to banks,communication,insurance,technology,utilities, and especially gov. surcharges,impact fees,axillary taxes . ALL THE CROOKS!
Best way to deal with a capitalistic world is to reverse it!! Level the playing field.
@a2zhandi all these bans will continue to develop until every single american is so full of rage towards the govt. crooks who robbed us of our freedom. anarchy will be the future to save our sanity, then we need to restore the REAL AMERICA.
@a2zhandi what ever happened to being your own person w/ your own set of thoughts and opinions? is not standing up for yourself now the new hip thing to do? i just hope people are putting a real good fight to protect their own rights. also the nonsmokers should open their eyes and realize their freedom is serious danger after the smokers are all gone for good.
Well some bar owners don't mind that you smoke inside their establishment, it would then be your problem. Sure, you can argue that it is not a big deal to simply smoke outside for a minute but it is equally no problem for you to go to another place.
this isnt just new york or liberal states. this is worldwide. u cant smoke in bars in canada, new zealand, australia, england,ireland, france, spain, germany, italy, hong kong, japan, mexico, or anywhere anymore.
To think that there are still states left in america where you can still smoke in bars and restaurants makes me think america is like a 3rd world country.
@8lig Fact: Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.
No one in a bar is being FORCED to do anything. They may choose to not enter the bar, or to find a bar which privately chooses to be a non-smoking establishment.
As free people we should have the right to choose to enter such premises if we so desire.
And as a capitalist economy, bar owners should have the right to either allow or ban smoking in their bars themselves, if they think the decision will improve business.
@palatiality Your poorly thought out since you don't have to go to a smoking bar you don't have to work at a smoking bar you don't have to have the smoking bar inpact you in anyway if you don't want it to . If they open up a beheading bar anytime soon you don't have to go there either .
@palatiality By that reasoning, loud music should be banned for damaging ears, all drugs (including alcohol) which may impair the ability to drive, cell phones, radio, eating, drinking, texting, and talking should all be banned from cars as well because they can all lead to reckless driving. Where do you draw the line? The easiest and most fair thing is to let people choose where they want to go-smoke free places, or smoker's places.
@ramv36 That will 100% never happen. The reason smoking is banned is because it is PUBLIC places where others, like workers and guests, are forced to breathe in the smoke filled air.
@chri5784 None of the bars and restaurants mentioned could be considered public spaces. They are all private, which is why they can bar lawmakers from patronizing them, just like they could bar any other non-protected class, such as left-handed people. These bars/restaurants are private property where smoking is banned, ergo smoking could be banned in private places, such as your home. Not saying it WILL happen, but these days I hesitate to speculate where things will be banned next.
Who in the hell goes to a bar to AVOID smoking? They did this in Iowa too. A pox on every pol who votes to ban smoking in businesses that are owned by private citizens. Let the owner decide!
@UTubekookdetector I go into a bar and I don't smoke, nor do I like smoke. I also don' t drink, but I go for the networking. However, I would NEVER expect anyone to not drink or smoke in a BAR!!!! Now if it were my dinner table, that is another story.
@UTubekookdetector If you want to own a private club that allows smoking and serves alcohol to it's patrons, by all means open one and sign up members -- but don't call it "open to the public," in a state that bans smoking in public businesses.
@kokoru42 That is a good point. I was thinking that I was fine with people smoking in bars because I have a choice not to go...but then I was wondering what would stop most business owners from allowing smoking to boost their own profits. That really would suck for those of us who don't want to be around it as it's not like the health risks are any secret. So yeah, I think the "private" thing is a good alternative. Hopefully it would be doable, affordable, etc.
KRIP: Nice try. Most people don't knowingly eat poisoned food, but everyone who's smoking a cig can read the label that says, "this can kill you." Of course, one's definition ot "poisoned" or "bad" might vary, remember when the govt was shutting down businesses in NY for selling raw milk because it's "bad." If you don't like 2nd hand smoke, go to businesses that don't allow smoking or get partrons together and convince the owner to not allow smoking. You sound like an idiot and you probably are
if u dont like gong to a business that allows cyanide, dont go there! If you dont like child porn, dont look at it!. If you dont want to drink gasoline or antifreeze dont go to a restaurant that serves it!
dont you care about the workers? Why should they have to breathe in that deadly 2nd hand smoke? Its worse than smoking. If you wanna smoke, why dont you do it outside or at home and let me eat my food without you stinkiing up the place.
KRIP: I care about the workers, but I care about the owner too and it should be his/her decision to outlaw smoking or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
Michigan is a POLICE STATE...We are held hostage by Corruption from the ground up...Our police are big dumb thugs who do what they are told because they are paid well and if they like how things are they will keep on doing what they are told...We need police to protect us from the police and protection from the crooked judges that terrorize the citizens of this fine state...We the people are just a pay check to these Tyrannical power loving idiots ...Thats why we have a 2 nd amendment ......
@palatiality If you support a libertarian like Ventura wouldn't you want everyone to make their own decisions and not be dictated to by the government ? Shouldn't the bar owners be able to decide if they want a smoking or non smoking bar and then you have a choice to patronize their bar or not . I don't go to bars that play rap music because i don't like rap but i don't think the government should ban rap music .
common sense says if smoking is banned in a bar, the people that "step out" to smoke, a portion of them will smoke and dash. a bar can make up its own mind if it wants to ban smoking.. there needs to be NO law stating it..
Aren't the bar owners nannies for banning lawmakers? Afterall, the politicians are just representatives of the public. And you'd think that if their businesses are struggling, banning potential customers is a really dumb idea. Maybe their recent struggles have more to do with the economy and their poor business decisions than a smoking ban that most people supported.
@skepticinsunglasses Good point, the daily exercise bureau programs will be piped into every home at regular intervals. I also forgot skin cancer, so everyone should be required to wear wide brimmed hats and long sleeved shirts during daylight hours...except that people require Vitamin D so scheduled sunlight exposure schedules will be issued. Man, the future is going to be great! No more worrying about taking care of ourselves or making choices, someone in a govt office will do it for us!
We need to ban BIG government and ban the democratic (Socialist) party for good. The democrats here in california say there is not enough money in the budget to keep state parks open or to clean the restrooms at the beach, but then they just passed a law that allows illegal immigrants the right to use sate funded tuition!! WTF? No money for a clean shitter at the beach, but enough money for Paco to go to college on a free ride of tax money when technically he is a (illegal) criminal?
Its the democrats who are out to ban everything.They want everyone to be a tree hugging, puppy loving, energy saving, veggie eating, fitness guru. Problem is, real people like big fancy cars, fattening foods, paper and wood products, and eating meat. Michelle Obama runs around promoting healthy eating, all the while she is 50 lbs overweight and all we ever see is her and Barack eating hamburgers and hot dogs. Plus Obama is a smoker!! Whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander, huh?
Smoking is disgusting. The business bars lose when they allow smoking is all the non-smokers, and smokers alike, who don't like smoking indoors. I would never go to an establishment that allowed smoking indoors. Thank Thor, we've had a smoking ban in Ontario since 2005. Smokers have no idea how they REEK! There are places in Japan that you're not even allowed to walk down the street and smoke. I don't want to breathe your filth! Can't wait until they do it in apartment buildings, too.
It should be up to bar owners whether or not they'll allow smoking, it shouldn't be up to lawmakers. And if you don't like being around smoking, then stay the fuck away from bars that allow it. The world doesn't revolve around YOU
@VisioneerLevel3Tunt Along with banning smoking in apartments, they should mandate everyone shower twice a day, for that reduces "filth" too. They should also ban handshakes, which spread germs. Kissing certainly serves no purpose and can spread the flu, which can be fatal. All coughing people should be placed in quarantine. In fact face masks ought to be mandated, along with latex gloves. Violators should be imprisoned. Just imagine how much healthier everyone would be!
The bars/restaurants in my area are booming. When they smelled of smoke
responsible people would NOT subject their families to that atmosphere. A license to serve alcohol is just that...it's not a license to subject others to a PROVEN health risk.
@hackley111 #1 a business owner should be allowed to control what happens in their own premises. If smoking is legal in their state, they should be allowed to decide if they wish to allow smoking in their establishment. If they want allow smoking, so be it. You don't like it? Don't go there.
#2 You said "A license to serve alcohol is just that...it's not a license to subject others to a PROVEN health risk." It's proven that more than one alcoholic drink per day is a health risk.
@hackley111 The bars aren't subjecting people to anything. It is the smokers who are subjecting others to their smoke. But the smokers are also customers. If a customer subjects another customer to smoking, that is a matter between those two people and maybe the bar - not the state. The offended person should complain to the smoker, complain to the staff, and if they are unsatisfied, leave.
What the hell sort of responsible people take their family to bars anyway? Are you mad?
I'm split on the smoking ban. It's private property so I think the owner should be able to decide what happens in their own property. But the health risks are very high for passive smoking, especially if you spend a lot of time in bars or pubs and as a non-smoker I never appreciated coming home smelling of smoke and my skin feeling sticky with tobacco, yuck.
Lastly however, the customers will come back to the pubs eventually. What has happened in the UK is we have more people smoking outside.
great ... go ahead with this !!! WE ARE ALSO humans !! and we also have our rights.. and if anybody is worrying about smoking .. well than he is not obliged to enter .. so easy is this ...
The only reason this away business is because smokers are fuckin' stupid in the first place. If you can't go to pub without lighting a fag every hour that's your problem.
there are no non smoking bars in areas where smoking in bars is still legal. The government has to force them to ban smoking in order for me to enjoy a few beers and breathe clean air.
Not my problem. Alcohol is stupid drug too. But smoking is just an obnoxious habit and screws other people over. When you drink, you don't harm others around(depend if you're drunk and do something stupid). The whole point of smoking is just to exhale smoke for no reason. Go die outside instead of ruining my lungs. I'm not a "all drugs are bad listen to all TV" person. Free the weed!
@mariotaz So smoking weed is A-okay but cigs are taboo? This is the the astounding hubris of the nanny staters. You assume your lifestyle is right and everyone else's is wrong. I don't drink, or smoke or touch drugs, but you know what? I have the choice to avoid those things. If you don't like your lungs breathing second hand smoke, don't go to where the smokers are! How difficult is this concept for people to grasp? Never leave to the state what you should do for yourself.
@mariotaz You should leave only if you wish to leave and find a non-smoking pub or restaurant or whatever. What gives you the right to dictate how a private company should run? If I prefer Jazz and dislike Hip Hop, I avoid the Hip Hop clubs and go to Jazz clubs, I do not bitch and moan that any place that doesn't play "my" kind of music ought to Private businesses have the right to cater to whatever clientele they wish just as you have the right to patronize or reject them.
No. My point is the effects of smoking on others. See, I have a problem as is so when some wanker comes in and smokes that just pisses me off. Listening to shitty music doesn't cause an early death or harm others. I'm pretty sure you get annoyed you're walking outside and someone blows smoke that goes in your face. Considerate?
@mariotaz You know what also pisses people off? Being told what they can and cannot do by some government agency inside a private establishment. So how about you patronize the smoke free joints, and the smokers can patronize the smoker's joints. But that isn't enough for you, everyone has to do what YOU insist because heaven forbid that people take their lives into their own hands. Your example of smoke outside (Public vs Private) is a false dichotomy.
No I'm not into that "government ruling" even if it's your own establishment. I have a problem with smoking in doors. I mean, you want to stay to myself but it's cool for others have a habbit affect others? This also shows smokers are too stupid to lay off for an hour in a pub? "Ah you smoke 40 a day congrats". I get the difference between private and public environment. Also you took what I said about weed out of context.
@mariotaz I don't give a damn if someone has a habit that affects others because one has to voluntarily enter one of these establishments which are known for allowing smoking. It is their life and therefore not my business nor the business of the government. Some people like to smoke while they drink with their friends, some people smoke in pubs BECAUSE they don't want to smoke at home, in the car or outdoors. You are assuming your lifestyle should trump others, even in private settings.
I just read some of the pansy assed comments about banning smoking from bars is a good thing b/c if you dont smoke you dont come out smelling like smoke.....Why I oughtta.....Why I outgjtta....Why I oughtta..Dang, I cant finish my sentence b/c they banned me from saying that too...I LOVE YOU BAR OWNERS...You ROCK....and I don't smoke, but I do go to casinos, and most people just don't smoke or are careful not to blow it your way I have found...Very thoughtful ppl mostly....
In Brazil we have a similar law that in the state of São Paulo you can't smoke inside any establishments. In the beggining was kinda bad for bussiness, but now, the people just love it. Now you dont go to a restaurant or a bar and go out smelling nicotine if you dont smoke.
because, come on, even separating the areas we breathe the smoke of other people, cuz most part of the time its a "virtual" division between them.
@agaigreen It's not about smelling like nicotine. It's about FREEDOM TO CHOOSE - I don't smoke, in fact I hate smoking because I consider it to be of Satan but just as I have freedoms to worship and choose what I believe, smokers should be able to associate freely. If they want to be a fool and smoke, let them - let them kill themselves but don't tell people what to do. Nobody needs your guidance.
@agaigreen "In Brazil we have a similar law ... the people just love it" I didn't know that Brazilian people are forced to go to places where people smoke. Here in the US of A we can choose NOT to go to places. That way we can also choose to go TO places we want as well.
Is this why strawberry icecream in Europe tastes like strawberries, but in the US it tastes like the strawberry-smelling chemical we synthesized in O-chem? Real strawberries are dangerous and our gov't is protecting us?
careful,... nicecream is begging to get swat teammed like them rawfooders and amish reprobates that dont follow good public policy. next thing you know theyll be importing tropical hardwoods to make guitars or something else illicit out of
In my town of Tallahassee (capital of Florida) they just passed a law that requires you to bring your garbage can in from the road within 24 hours or face a fine and automatic enrollment of curbside service.
@BanditoWalrusGames i would say exile, i would have them banned from establishments or those that work for them (i.e. their personal staff) from getting goods and services. Restrict their ability to choose and see how they like it when the the only place that can shop is big chain stores. See Obama & Boehner shop at Wal-Mart.
I live in Michigan and I can tell you exactly how bad this is. The average person does not want smoking banned. Bars are often completely empty. The other day I went into the Post Bar, a place I hadn't been to since the ban, and my family and I were literally one of just 3 groups of customers there.
@1danyol1 I went to a bar in New York right after they banned smoking, I had the place to myself. Looked for an ashtray and realized right away what was up. I said to the bartender "so they finally did it?" he said "Yup, and business totally sucks!" I went into a bar in Illinois I used to go to, about 1/3 the people. I went to a bar in Wisonsin after they did it, place used to be packed. There were like 6-7 ppl in there. Of course, the nannies lied "it won't affect business", I say BS.
The thing to understand--the thing I resisted for years--is that legislators don't do this kind of anti-liberty, anti-free enterprise thing for the reasons they say, health and safety, etc.
The reason--I am now forced to admit--is that they are globalist traitors who hate liberty, America, and Americans.
The bar owners are the nannies? Don't you libertarians cheer on free associations and the right of any private business to refuse service to anyone they see fit? Since a nanny is not strictly a government official or employee imposing an unreasonable regulation (that's my definition), how do you libertarians define "nanny" because this video just confused the supposed definition at best or widened the definition to anyone who chooses not to associate with anyone else at worst.
@MaxxTheMerciless yeah,fuck the firefighters and (good,redeemable) cops who are employed by the city in which they live!fuck them for not doing anything wrong and being associated with people who they have no interactions with whatsoever!because clearly,since a few people are assholes,they're ALL ASSHOLES!
@warpedwiselegoman It's gotta hurt. You have to do something in order to get their attention. Banning law enforcement, firemen, and others who work for the state must be made to suffer for their mistakes.
Think about it. When govt. does such things it hurts everyone. So, punish them back. All of them. Treat them all as their leaders and lawmakers treat you. Or, charge them more more money. They have to pay triple.
@MaxxTheMerciless really?you think the government is going to give two flying shits about a few cops and firemen?this will accomplish nothing but alienate people in the community and turn them against each other!you'd be doing the government's job for them!or at the very least Fox New's job!
@warpedwiselegoman Wow, guess I'll have to do your thinking for you, since you are obviously handicapped. Must be from all that time sucking Obama's dick.
If most businesses did that in a community, especially grocers, you'll see police and firemen complain about that up the chain of command. Sheriff's offices have a lot of clout with lawmakers - and what's more the press would get involved.
@MaxxTheMerciless so what you're saying is...we need to screw over a bunch of people to change the smoking laws,instead of just pushing for the change WITHOUT screwing people over?why are we banning civil servants from restaurants and grocery stores again?to change the smoking laws?all i see it doing is screwing a bunch of people who don't deserve to be screwed.and gee,i never knew the fire marshal had so much sway in the political world,we should swap out the congress with firemen...
@warpedwiselegoman You have to understand that most of these civil servants, who are generally unaffected by the laws the legislators impose on others, are members of public unions who routinely donate money to politicians. If you show first hand what bad laws do by imposing a similar ban on them as well as the legislators, that would be a bit more effective because money talks louder than votes.
If you do it right, you can get the press on your side too.
@warpedwiselegoman hang out with and take jobs from criminal scum, get treated like your criminal scum pals. Don't like that? Don't hang out with and work for criminal scum. Get a real job, get some decent friends. Pretty straighforward stuff. Doesn't change at all when the scum give themselves titles and uniforms and start acting like they have the right to engage in criminal behavior.
@Nphyx "get a real job"?"get some decent friends"?mother fucker,point me to one fire fighter who hangs around with the town mayor to plot the downfall of the working class.fire fighters and (most) cops work to protect the goddamned public,how the hell does treating them like scum bags through association with other scum bags even begin to make sense?
@warpedwiselegoman protects them from what, a life without having experienced the inside of a jail cell? Cops don't, typically, protect people (nor do they even have a legal duty to intervene, according to the supreme court). On guilt: it's guilt by association with other police, who in the course of their jobs, do horrible things to innocent people under the theory of "victimless crime". And typically direct guilt. Before you pull the nuremberg defense, just don't. Doesn't fly with me.
And charge the Health Department cowards, who only fine BAR OWNERS, with trespassing! These gutless government bean counters in Ohio have publicly stated that they are too afraid to approach smokers!
@palatiality just b/c u don't smoke doesn't mean that u are sitting pretty. soon the government will decide to ban what u enjoy the most. u really going w/ that? fuck no, u will go cry to your mother and suck on her fake plastic boobs. then u realize how smokers feel. there is no health triumph, only fraud triumph disguising as health.
and ps the nonsmoker is not the common man, the oppressed american is. and you're one of them buddy.
BonishkaFromTexas 2 months ago
@8lig neither do u so shut the fuck up about this clean air bullshit. there's more than enough car fumes and chemical fumes to pollute the air to do a lot more damage than second hand smoke. stop being an antismoke follower and realize after all the smokers are extinct, you will never inhale any clean air b/c the second hand smoke is a bunch of bullshit those antismoke bullies have brainwashed u with. they don't give a shit about our wellbeing, they just want to suck us dry.
BonishkaFromTexas 2 months ago
the 8 dislikes are the state lawmakers
Zaxxon2008 2 months ago in playlist Reason.tv's Nanny of the Month
Awww your business of giving people lung cancer and promoting second hand smoke is going down the drain? I'm SO sorry. Not really. Go fuck up somebody elses lungs asshole.
TheChickenRiceBowl 3 months ago
There are 2 kinds of people: 1) People who want to be left alone (citizens) 2) People who WON'T LEAVE YOU ALONE (GOVT)
slvrizgold 5 months ago
about a month ago I visited a few relatives in Florida and I found a bar about a quarter mile away from their house. I walked there and it feels like going back in time. The bar sells drinks and food and allows smoking! Enjoying that would be illegal in more than 30 states.
KripDrip 5 months ago
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Fuckk yeah, showem the door!.....if I don't like the smoke I...uh..I don't know.....LEAVE
Chronos127 5 months ago
Let the free market decide if smoking should be allowed in bars. If the bars that don't allow smoking, go out of business, then we have our answer.
vote4freedom 6 months ago
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szymanml 6 months ago
this is yet ANOTHER example where the govt creates a problem through legislation and then tries to solve it with more legislation. the initial problem is all the licensing which artificially restricts the supply of bars. remove that, and you'll naturally have smoking AND non smoking bars as bar owners compete to satisfy the varying preferences of consumers. believe it or not the "solution" for everything doesn't have to be govt "laws" combined with threats of guns and cages.
BillandMikeShow 6 months ago 5
how many bars in an area where smoking in bars is still legal do you know of that actually chose to ban smoking on its own without the government forcing it?
KripDrip 5 months ago
IF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REALLY CARDED ABOUT THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH ... IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE DETROIT CASINO'S ... IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY !!!!
MegaRschultz 6 months ago
How about liberty from smokers? If you are is addicted to nicotine, buy some gum or get a patch but don't force me to deal with the side-effects and health consequences of your nasty habits in public. You have to go to a firing range to shoot guns, you should have to go to a smoking lounge to smoke tobacco. I'd like to go to a bar to have a drink and not have to suffer for habits I don't have.
kokoru42 6 months ago
@kokoru42 You are free to patronize bars that the owner bans smoking.
AynRKey 6 months ago 2
@AynRKey This is why I patronize bars in Illinois: People are 'invited' to go outside to smoke, and (usually) the bar owner provides a heated and sheltered outdoor space for this activity; patrons welcomed back in when they are done. I have no problems associating with fellow patrons in the bar, as long as they are not actively smoking. Likewise, urinating, spitting and defecating -- there is an appropriate time and a place for everything that causes a health hazard to others.
kokoru42 6 months ago
all bars should be smoke free. Cleaner air is better.
KripDrip 5 months ago
@kokoru42 THANK YOU! Seriously, there should be like... smoking hubs built so smokers can go sit in their nicotine sauna environments like they want and us non-smokers can have our air simultaneously.
We both win. Sound like a reasonable compromise, smokers?
Asalieri2 6 months ago
@Asalieri2 the smoking hubs would be air tight vaults or some shit, so that nasty, poisonous, toxic, noxious smoke doesn't creep into non-smoker territory.
Asalieri2 6 months ago
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@8lig Maybe you are thinking about your sister from another Father, as I have no brothers.
ladylordess 6 months ago
@8lig Maybe you are thinking about your sister from another Father, as I have no brothers.
ladylordess 6 months ago
@palatiality Hey knob gobbler you forgot i don't smoke
hanksnow82 6 months ago
@8lig R U talking to your brother? That is so rude.
ladylordess 6 months ago
Lawmakers should be banned from more than just bars.
freedom5008 6 months ago 9
I don't smoke but I can't see this bill sticking around in AZ where you can see dozens of pubs boarded up.
Liberty, people. It is always about you Liberty.
the82spartans 6 months ago
@palatiality No some of us are business owners that provide jobs for other people that have dependants relying on them . Responsibility to self and family is a lesson you have not learned yet grasshopper.
hanksnow82 6 months ago
I like the idea of this reversed ban.
Ebareebaveebeedee 6 months ago 2
they have all of their masonic lodges to go to anyway. they don't really give a shit.
cilcannonvryce 6 months ago
Ban all "law makers" and all similar criminals.
Coffeeandasmoke 6 months ago 2
Well! It's about time we ban our entire government! But, what then? The goons in government will just round us all up and put us into their nearby FEMA camp on most Military bases, and chop our heads off! Don't you just love our elected government?
claudius2u 6 months ago 2
@palatiality I didn't relize you were a little kid .
hanksnow82 6 months ago
Nothing is being banned. The percent who want to kill themselves still can; they just can't kill the 80 percent of us smart enough not to smoke anynmore. The 20 percent must be the richest people in Michigan because they have such a huge effect on business.
kjbas1958 6 months ago 3
@8lig Oh a mom joke! zing.
azis1100 6 months ago
@8lig
I dunno, I find the air to be normal in the non-smoking section. Normal, as in not smelling like cigarettes.
Also, it's hard to choose going to a smoking or non-smoking bar, when the government only allows for non-smoking.
Numguk 6 months ago
@8lig
Ah, so if no one owns the air we breath, why do you feel the need to own the air and tell the owners of these establishments that it has to be smoke free? And do you know what you also have the right to do? Not visit a bar that allows smoking. You could also request to go to the non-smoking section of a restaurant, which are pretty good areas to go to, if one wishes to not smell cigarettes.
Numguk 6 months ago
@8lig I don't smoke moron. But I sure do respect the right to do so. Just because it's something you don't agree with, doesn't mean you have to support banning it. Because maybe next time it will be a ban on something you enjoy...
yevinketman 6 months ago
@8lig It's the bar and restaurant owner's air. They can foul it with as much cigs as they want.
Numguk 6 months ago
@8lig your tears feed me.
azis1100 6 months ago
This is what I've been talking about. Banning all the crooked govs from EVERY aspect of life!
To include but not limited to banks,communication,insurance,technology,utilities, and especially gov. surcharges,impact fees,axillary taxes . ALL THE CROOKS!
Best way to deal with a capitalistic world is to reverse it!! Level the playing field.
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a2zhandi 6 months ago
@a2zhandi all these bans will continue to develop until every single american is so full of rage towards the govt. crooks who robbed us of our freedom. anarchy will be the future to save our sanity, then we need to restore the REAL AMERICA.
BonishkaFromTexas 2 months ago
@BonishkaFromTexas all crooked deeds must come to an end.
Thanks
a2zhandi 2 months ago
@a2zhandi what ever happened to being your own person w/ your own set of thoughts and opinions? is not standing up for yourself now the new hip thing to do? i just hope people are putting a real good fight to protect their own rights. also the nonsmokers should open their eyes and realize their freedom is serious danger after the smokers are all gone for good.
BonishkaFromTexas 2 months ago
Well some bar owners don't mind that you smoke inside their establishment, it would then be your problem. Sure, you can argue that it is not a big deal to simply smoke outside for a minute but it is equally no problem for you to go to another place.
Seiku 6 months ago
@8lig commie
jx14aby 6 months ago
Banning smoking in bars? Where's the freakin' Tea Party when you need 'em?
jx14aby 6 months ago
this isnt just new york or liberal states. this is worldwide. u cant smoke in bars in canada, new zealand, australia, england,ireland, france, spain, germany, italy, hong kong, japan, mexico, or anywhere anymore.
To think that there are still states left in america where you can still smoke in bars and restaurants makes me think america is like a 3rd world country.
KripDrip 5 months ago
@KripDrip
Socialism is worldwide. That doesn't make it a good thing.
jx14aby 5 months ago
@8lig Fact: Everyone knows smoking is bad for you.
No one in a bar is being FORCED to do anything. They may choose to not enter the bar, or to find a bar which privately chooses to be a non-smoking establishment.
As free people we should have the right to choose to enter such premises if we so desire.
And as a capitalist economy, bar owners should have the right to either allow or ban smoking in their bars themselves, if they think the decision will improve business.
yevinketman 6 months ago
Awesome...bar owners ban politicians.
davids11131113 6 months ago
@davids11131113 it's a good start, but every fed up american will have to be onboard 100% to protect our freedoms.
BonishkaFromTexas 2 months ago
@8lig No one is forced to go in any bar.
davids11131113 6 months ago
@8lig cry more emo kid, don't like it, you don't have to be there.
azis1100 6 months ago
@palatiality Your poorly thought out since you don't have to go to a smoking bar you don't have to work at a smoking bar you don't have to have the smoking bar inpact you in anyway if you don't want it to . If they open up a beheading bar anytime soon you don't have to go there either .
hanksnow82 6 months ago
@palatiality Yes, and the line is drawn at voluntary action at privately owned establishments. This is extremely simple.
kev3d 6 months ago
@palatiality By that reasoning, loud music should be banned for damaging ears, all drugs (including alcohol) which may impair the ability to drive, cell phones, radio, eating, drinking, texting, and talking should all be banned from cars as well because they can all lead to reckless driving. Where do you draw the line? The easiest and most fair thing is to let people choose where they want to go-smoke free places, or smoker's places.
kev3d 6 months ago
The only choice liberals want is the choice to rip a baby from the womb.
Everything else they want momma to take care of it.
octopibingo 6 months ago
so does this mean conservatives are pro tobacco and support it?
KripDrip 5 months ago
The logical next slippery step down this slope is, of course, lawmakers banning smoking in your own home.
ramv36 6 months ago
@ramv36 That will 100% never happen. The reason smoking is banned is because it is PUBLIC places where others, like workers and guests, are forced to breathe in the smoke filled air.
chri5784 6 months ago
@chri5784 None of the bars and restaurants mentioned could be considered public spaces. They are all private, which is why they can bar lawmakers from patronizing them, just like they could bar any other non-protected class, such as left-handed people. These bars/restaurants are private property where smoking is banned, ergo smoking could be banned in private places, such as your home. Not saying it WILL happen, but these days I hesitate to speculate where things will be banned next.
ramv36 6 months ago
@ramv36 They are trying to ban smoking in the home here in Australia. Of course we all know how well prohibition works.
kev3d 6 months ago
Who in the hell goes to a bar to AVOID smoking? They did this in Iowa too. A pox on every pol who votes to ban smoking in businesses that are owned by private citizens. Let the owner decide!
UTubekookdetector 6 months ago 16
@UTubekookdetector They wanted people to be able to get drunk in a healthy environment.
dlucas90 6 months ago 3
DLU: You made me LOL, I needed that, thanks! ;)
UTubekookdetector 6 months ago
@UTubekookdetector I go into a bar and I don't smoke, nor do I like smoke. I also don' t drink, but I go for the networking. However, I would NEVER expect anyone to not drink or smoke in a BAR!!!! Now if it were my dinner table, that is another story.
ladylordess 6 months ago
this is a bar!!
come on this is a bar!!
you cant smoke,... in a bar???
bar
bar bar
SO WHAT!! SO WHAT IF "THIS IS A BAR"? That dont mean smoking should be allowed.
KripDrip 5 months ago
@KripDrip It kinda does!! : )
ladylordess 5 months ago
@UTubekookdetector If you want to own a private club that allows smoking and serves alcohol to it's patrons, by all means open one and sign up members -- but don't call it "open to the public," in a state that bans smoking in public businesses.
kokoru42 6 months ago
@kokoru42 That is a good point. I was thinking that I was fine with people smoking in bars because I have a choice not to go...but then I was wondering what would stop most business owners from allowing smoking to boost their own profits. That really would suck for those of us who don't want to be around it as it's not like the health risks are any secret. So yeah, I think the "private" thing is a good alternative. Hopefully it would be doable, affordable, etc.
agrv8ion 6 months ago
should they let the owner decide to sell spoiled or poisoned food? whats the difference. Its a health hazard just like 2nd hand smoke.
KripDrip 5 months ago
KRIP: Nice try. Most people don't knowingly eat poisoned food, but everyone who's smoking a cig can read the label that says, "this can kill you." Of course, one's definition ot "poisoned" or "bad" might vary, remember when the govt was shutting down businesses in NY for selling raw milk because it's "bad." If you don't like 2nd hand smoke, go to businesses that don't allow smoking or get partrons together and convince the owner to not allow smoking. You sound like an idiot and you probably are
UTubekookdetector 5 months ago
if u dont like gong to a business that allows cyanide, dont go there! If you dont like child porn, dont look at it!. If you dont want to drink gasoline or antifreeze dont go to a restaurant that serves it!
KripDrip 5 months ago
dont you care about the workers? Why should they have to breathe in that deadly 2nd hand smoke? Its worse than smoking. If you wanna smoke, why dont you do it outside or at home and let me eat my food without you stinkiing up the place.
KripDrip 5 months ago
KRIP: I care about the workers, but I care about the owner too and it should be his/her decision to outlaw smoking or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
UTubekookdetector 5 months ago
its not fair to the employees that work there. they shouldnt have to choose between a job and not breathing 2nd hand smoke.
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joshua1auhsoj 6 months ago
drinking & smoking legislators might even have to stay home, stay off the streets.
yurianne07 6 months ago
Michigan is a POLICE STATE...We are held hostage by Corruption from the ground up...Our police are big dumb thugs who do what they are told because they are paid well and if they like how things are they will keep on doing what they are told...We need police to protect us from the police and protection from the crooked judges that terrorize the citizens of this fine state...We the people are just a pay check to these Tyrannical power loving idiots ...Thats why we have a 2 nd amendment ......
dmhappy2777 6 months ago
@palatiality If you support a libertarian like Ventura wouldn't you want everyone to make their own decisions and not be dictated to by the government ? Shouldn't the bar owners be able to decide if they want a smoking or non smoking bar and then you have a choice to patronize their bar or not . I don't go to bars that play rap music because i don't like rap but i don't think the government should ban rap music .
imN0Ttheone 6 months ago
common sense says if smoking is banned in a bar, the people that "step out" to smoke, a portion of them will smoke and dash. a bar can make up its own mind if it wants to ban smoking.. there needs to be NO law stating it..
brandoncotten 6 months ago
I love it when these bans get a backlash.
FatherTime89 6 months ago
Aren't the bar owners nannies for banning lawmakers? Afterall, the politicians are just representatives of the public. And you'd think that if their businesses are struggling, banning potential customers is a really dumb idea. Maybe their recent struggles have more to do with the economy and their poor business decisions than a smoking ban that most people supported.
mikebee02 6 months ago
@skepticinsunglasses Good point, the daily exercise bureau programs will be piped into every home at regular intervals. I also forgot skin cancer, so everyone should be required to wear wide brimmed hats and long sleeved shirts during daylight hours...except that people require Vitamin D so scheduled sunlight exposure schedules will be issued. Man, the future is going to be great! No more worrying about taking care of ourselves or making choices, someone in a govt office will do it for us!
kev3d 6 months ago
All businesses should do it.
lushfauna 6 months ago
We need to ban BIG government and ban the democratic (Socialist) party for good. The democrats here in california say there is not enough money in the budget to keep state parks open or to clean the restrooms at the beach, but then they just passed a law that allows illegal immigrants the right to use sate funded tuition!! WTF? No money for a clean shitter at the beach, but enough money for Paco to go to college on a free ride of tax money when technically he is a (illegal) criminal?
TheExecutiveDecision 6 months ago
Its the democrats who are out to ban everything.They want everyone to be a tree hugging, puppy loving, energy saving, veggie eating, fitness guru. Problem is, real people like big fancy cars, fattening foods, paper and wood products, and eating meat. Michelle Obama runs around promoting healthy eating, all the while she is 50 lbs overweight and all we ever see is her and Barack eating hamburgers and hot dogs. Plus Obama is a smoker!! Whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander, huh?
TheExecutiveDecision 6 months ago
The nanny of the month is always the government anyone else is just a runner up.
warfossil 6 months ago
Ban all big-government-loving liberal assholes.
JimboVids 6 months ago 2
Smoking is disgusting. The business bars lose when they allow smoking is all the non-smokers, and smokers alike, who don't like smoking indoors. I would never go to an establishment that allowed smoking indoors. Thank Thor, we've had a smoking ban in Ontario since 2005. Smokers have no idea how they REEK! There are places in Japan that you're not even allowed to walk down the street and smoke. I don't want to breathe your filth! Can't wait until they do it in apartment buildings, too.
VisioneerLevel3Tunt 6 months ago
@VisioneerLevel3Tunt
It should be up to bar owners whether or not they'll allow smoking, it shouldn't be up to lawmakers. And if you don't like being around smoking, then stay the fuck away from bars that allow it. The world doesn't revolve around YOU
JimboVids 6 months ago
@VisioneerLevel3Tunt Along with banning smoking in apartments, they should mandate everyone shower twice a day, for that reduces "filth" too. They should also ban handshakes, which spread germs. Kissing certainly serves no purpose and can spread the flu, which can be fatal. All coughing people should be placed in quarantine. In fact face masks ought to be mandated, along with latex gloves. Violators should be imprisoned. Just imagine how much healthier everyone would be!
kev3d 6 months ago
Best news ive heard all day!!
WarVideo 6 months ago 2
Way to strike back, guys! Social preferencing & ostracism ftw.
Nphyx 6 months ago 2
All these people go to the bar and then drive home drunk anyway.
shitthrowingmonkey1 6 months ago
Sorry, I just don't have a whole lot of sympathy here. They've banned smoking here in CA and the bars are doing fine.
jackdav34 6 months ago
The bars/restaurants in my area are booming. When they smelled of smoke
responsible people would NOT subject their families to that atmosphere. A license to serve alcohol is just that...it's not a license to subject others to a PROVEN health risk.
hackley111 6 months ago
@hackley111 #1 a business owner should be allowed to control what happens in their own premises. If smoking is legal in their state, they should be allowed to decide if they wish to allow smoking in their establishment. If they want allow smoking, so be it. You don't like it? Don't go there.
#2 You said "A license to serve alcohol is just that...it's not a license to subject others to a PROVEN health risk." It's proven that more than one alcoholic drink per day is a health risk.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@hackley111 The bars aren't subjecting people to anything. It is the smokers who are subjecting others to their smoke. But the smokers are also customers. If a customer subjects another customer to smoking, that is a matter between those two people and maybe the bar - not the state. The offended person should complain to the smoker, complain to the staff, and if they are unsatisfied, leave.
What the hell sort of responsible people take their family to bars anyway? Are you mad?
zyodei 6 months ago 2
I'm split on the smoking ban. It's private property so I think the owner should be able to decide what happens in their own property. But the health risks are very high for passive smoking, especially if you spend a lot of time in bars or pubs and as a non-smoker I never appreciated coming home smelling of smoke and my skin feeling sticky with tobacco, yuck.
Lastly however, the customers will come back to the pubs eventually. What has happened in the UK is we have more people smoking outside.
LeJimster 6 months ago
great ... go ahead with this !!! WE ARE ALSO humans !! and we also have our rights.. and if anybody is worrying about smoking .. well than he is not obliged to enter .. so easy is this ...
odysseetheater 6 months ago
Great job. You should not only not let them on your property, but kick them in the nuts when they come by.
chrisjstone1975 6 months ago
The only reason this away business is because smokers are fuckin' stupid in the first place. If you can't go to pub without lighting a fag every hour that's your problem.
mariotaz 6 months ago
@mariotaz
It's not your bar,
If you don't like it you can go do a Non-Smoking bar
RogueSwordThesco 6 months ago 11
there are no non smoking bars in areas where smoking in bars is still legal. The government has to force them to ban smoking in order for me to enjoy a few beers and breathe clean air.
KripDrip 5 months ago
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RogueSwordThesco 5 months ago
@KripDrip You're Delusional, that ban caused many bars to go out of business in the first place, limiting your choice.
And the reason why there aren't any non smoking bars in areas where it's still legal is because of the ban in the first place.
If it weren't for the ban, the few bars that didn't allow it could have every jackoff like yourself go there and enjoy a niche market.
Instead we've screwed over the smokers, the bar owners, and the economy.
RogueSwordThesco 5 months ago
@mariotaz And what happens when they ban drinking in pubs for the "public nuisance"?
kev3d 6 months ago
@kev3d
Not my problem. Alcohol is stupid drug too. But smoking is just an obnoxious habit and screws other people over. When you drink, you don't harm others around(depend if you're drunk and do something stupid). The whole point of smoking is just to exhale smoke for no reason. Go die outside instead of ruining my lungs. I'm not a "all drugs are bad listen to all TV" person. Free the weed!
mariotaz 6 months ago
@mariotaz So smoking weed is A-okay but cigs are taboo? This is the the astounding hubris of the nanny staters. You assume your lifestyle is right and everyone else's is wrong. I don't drink, or smoke or touch drugs, but you know what? I have the choice to avoid those things. If you don't like your lungs breathing second hand smoke, don't go to where the smokers are! How difficult is this concept for people to grasp? Never leave to the state what you should do for yourself.
kev3d 6 months ago
@kev3d
So if I'm in a pub and people behind me light up a fag I should move. YEHEHEHEAH-no! Smokers can fuck off. Retarded habbit
mariotaz 6 months ago
@mariotaz You should leave only if you wish to leave and find a non-smoking pub or restaurant or whatever. What gives you the right to dictate how a private company should run? If I prefer Jazz and dislike Hip Hop, I avoid the Hip Hop clubs and go to Jazz clubs, I do not bitch and moan that any place that doesn't play "my" kind of music ought to Private businesses have the right to cater to whatever clientele they wish just as you have the right to patronize or reject them.
kev3d 6 months ago
@kev3d
No. My point is the effects of smoking on others. See, I have a problem as is so when some wanker comes in and smokes that just pisses me off. Listening to shitty music doesn't cause an early death or harm others. I'm pretty sure you get annoyed you're walking outside and someone blows smoke that goes in your face. Considerate?
mariotaz 6 months ago
@mariotaz You know what also pisses people off? Being told what they can and cannot do by some government agency inside a private establishment. So how about you patronize the smoke free joints, and the smokers can patronize the smoker's joints. But that isn't enough for you, everyone has to do what YOU insist because heaven forbid that people take their lives into their own hands. Your example of smoke outside (Public vs Private) is a false dichotomy.
kev3d 6 months ago
@kev3d
No I'm not into that "government ruling" even if it's your own establishment. I have a problem with smoking in doors. I mean, you want to stay to myself but it's cool for others have a habbit affect others? This also shows smokers are too stupid to lay off for an hour in a pub? "Ah you smoke 40 a day congrats". I get the difference between private and public environment. Also you took what I said about weed out of context.
mariotaz 6 months ago
@mariotaz I don't give a damn if someone has a habit that affects others because one has to voluntarily enter one of these establishments which are known for allowing smoking. It is their life and therefore not my business nor the business of the government. Some people like to smoke while they drink with their friends, some people smoke in pubs BECAUSE they don't want to smoke at home, in the car or outdoors. You are assuming your lifestyle should trump others, even in private settings.
kev3d 6 months ago
I just read some of the pansy assed comments about banning smoking from bars is a good thing b/c if you dont smoke you dont come out smelling like smoke.....Why I oughtta.....Why I outgjtta....Why I oughtta..Dang, I cant finish my sentence b/c they banned me from saying that too...I LOVE YOU BAR OWNERS...You ROCK....and I don't smoke, but I do go to casinos, and most people just don't smoke or are careful not to blow it your way I have found...Very thoughtful ppl mostly....
lonestarskywatcher 6 months ago 2
God I love this video. . . keep it up!
GuyEndore 6 months ago
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END THE EMPIRE
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Sounds4theInfowar 6 months ago 12
This is priceless! Now if we could just ban the majority of lawmakers from passing laws.
9971explorer 6 months ago
In Brazil we have a similar law that in the state of São Paulo you can't smoke inside any establishments. In the beggining was kinda bad for bussiness, but now, the people just love it. Now you dont go to a restaurant or a bar and go out smelling nicotine if you dont smoke.
because, come on, even separating the areas we breathe the smoke of other people, cuz most part of the time its a "virtual" division between them.
agaigreen 6 months ago
@agaigreen It's not about smelling like nicotine. It's about FREEDOM TO CHOOSE - I don't smoke, in fact I hate smoking because I consider it to be of Satan but just as I have freedoms to worship and choose what I believe, smokers should be able to associate freely. If they want to be a fool and smoke, let them - let them kill themselves but don't tell people what to do. Nobody needs your guidance.
llopisblai 6 months ago
@agaigreen "In Brazil we have a similar law ... the people just love it" I didn't know that Brazilian people are forced to go to places where people smoke. Here in the US of A we can choose NOT to go to places. That way we can also choose to go TO places we want as well.
bsabruzzo 6 months ago
@agaigreen
>>>>> Assuming "the public" owns private business
RogueSwordThesco 6 months ago 2
HOT DAMN!!! I hoped something like this would happen! It's about time the politicians and bureaurats who threaten business owners get boycotted!
brucevbracken 6 months ago
Is this why strawberry icecream in Europe tastes like strawberries, but in the US it tastes like the strawberry-smelling chemical we synthesized in O-chem? Real strawberries are dangerous and our gov't is protecting us?
ghuegel 6 months ago
careful,... nicecream is begging to get swat teammed like them rawfooders and amish reprobates that dont follow good public policy. next thing you know theyll be importing tropical hardwoods to make guitars or something else illicit out of
DanielShaysRebellion 6 months ago
Ban smoking outright. Problem solved.
hunkgod 6 months ago
@hunkgod Fuck you
luke34578 6 months ago
@hunkgod We should also ban alcohol, and guns, and personal responsibility, because the Gov knows what's best for you.
Nationofhonor 6 months ago
Yo dawg, I heard you like bans.
tehsuperepicpwnzor 6 months ago 2
In my town of Tallahassee (capital of Florida) they just passed a law that requires you to bring your garbage can in from the road within 24 hours or face a fine and automatic enrollment of curbside service.
franzyland 6 months ago
These "lawmakers" should be banned when they are out of office as well!
pettyofficer30 6 months ago
I wonder if they'll get the message.
Probably not.
hannas1234 6 months ago
Wow, no fresh strawberries in the ice cream?
Drake3209 6 months ago
@Drake3209 I know, god forbid something in our food isn't genetically fucked and processed.
smiledammit24 6 months ago
Banning Politicians! I rarely ask this, but can we get a law to back this policy up? Ban Politicians from the country, perhaps?
BanditoWalrusGames 6 months ago 3
@BanditoWalrusGames i would say exile, i would have them banned from establishments or those that work for them (i.e. their personal staff) from getting goods and services. Restrict their ability to choose and see how they like it when the the only place that can shop is big chain stores. See Obama & Boehner shop at Wal-Mart.
MRLarkin 6 months ago
coming soon: lawmakers ban bar owners from banning lawmakers for banning smoking
1danyol1 6 months ago 29
@1danyol1 That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.
minervalion72 6 months ago
We just need to ban politician from ALL private property.
qtutoringhelps 6 months ago 24
bout time ppl take ACTION IN TO THEIR FUCKING OWN HANDS! FUCKING SHIT! TRIED OF THIS BULLSHIT NATION WE CALL "amerikkka"!
hiphopsocnroc 6 months ago 2
I live in Michigan and I can tell you exactly how bad this is. The average person does not want smoking banned. Bars are often completely empty. The other day I went into the Post Bar, a place I hadn't been to since the ban, and my family and I were literally one of just 3 groups of customers there.
1danyol1 6 months ago
@1danyol1 I went to a bar in New York right after they banned smoking, I had the place to myself. Looked for an ashtray and realized right away what was up. I said to the bartender "so they finally did it?" he said "Yup, and business totally sucks!" I went into a bar in Illinois I used to go to, about 1/3 the people. I went to a bar in Wisonsin after they did it, place used to be packed. There were like 6-7 ppl in there. Of course, the nannies lied "it won't affect business", I say BS.
opacid 6 months ago
cant the smokers just smoke outside??
KripDrip 5 months ago
@KripDrip Who wants to go to a bar and then take smoking breaks? Yes there are usually some people outside smoking, but most smokers just stay home.
1danyol1 5 months ago
The thing to understand--the thing I resisted for years--is that legislators don't do this kind of anti-liberty, anti-free enterprise thing for the reasons they say, health and safety, etc.
The reason--I am now forced to admit--is that they are globalist traitors who hate liberty, America, and Americans.
JesusDillinger 6 months ago 2
The bar owners are the nannies? Don't you libertarians cheer on free associations and the right of any private business to refuse service to anyone they see fit? Since a nanny is not strictly a government official or employee imposing an unreasonable regulation (that's my definition), how do you libertarians define "nanny" because this video just confused the supposed definition at best or widened the definition to anyone who chooses not to associate with anyone else at worst.
MrConservative608 6 months ago
@MrConservative608 It's a joke. Sheesh.
safewaysecurity 6 months ago
Minnesota bar owners should have done this also!
TheMerks1 6 months ago
Hmm. A ban war!
TravistheHuman 6 months ago
They not only need to ban lawmakers, but all state employees. Ban anyone who works for civic government too.
MaxxTheMerciless 6 months ago 2
@MaxxTheMerciless yeah,fuck the firefighters and (good,redeemable) cops who are employed by the city in which they live!fuck them for not doing anything wrong and being associated with people who they have no interactions with whatsoever!because clearly,since a few people are assholes,they're ALL ASSHOLES!
warpedwiselegoman 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman It's gotta hurt. You have to do something in order to get their attention. Banning law enforcement, firemen, and others who work for the state must be made to suffer for their mistakes.
Think about it. When govt. does such things it hurts everyone. So, punish them back. All of them. Treat them all as their leaders and lawmakers treat you. Or, charge them more more money. They have to pay triple.
MaxxTheMerciless 6 months ago
@MaxxTheMerciless really?you think the government is going to give two flying shits about a few cops and firemen?this will accomplish nothing but alienate people in the community and turn them against each other!you'd be doing the government's job for them!or at the very least Fox New's job!
warpedwiselegoman 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman Wow, guess I'll have to do your thinking for you, since you are obviously handicapped. Must be from all that time sucking Obama's dick.
If most businesses did that in a community, especially grocers, you'll see police and firemen complain about that up the chain of command. Sheriff's offices have a lot of clout with lawmakers - and what's more the press would get involved.
MaxxTheMerciless 6 months ago
@MaxxTheMerciless so what you're saying is...we need to screw over a bunch of people to change the smoking laws,instead of just pushing for the change WITHOUT screwing people over?why are we banning civil servants from restaurants and grocery stores again?to change the smoking laws?all i see it doing is screwing a bunch of people who don't deserve to be screwed.and gee,i never knew the fire marshal had so much sway in the political world,we should swap out the congress with firemen...
warpedwiselegoman 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman You have to understand that most of these civil servants, who are generally unaffected by the laws the legislators impose on others, are members of public unions who routinely donate money to politicians. If you show first hand what bad laws do by imposing a similar ban on them as well as the legislators, that would be a bit more effective because money talks louder than votes.
If you do it right, you can get the press on your side too.
MaxxTheMerciless 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman
The Public sector survives on the money taken from the taxpayer
They're lucky to get anything.
RogueSwordThesco 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman hang out with and take jobs from criminal scum, get treated like your criminal scum pals. Don't like that? Don't hang out with and work for criminal scum. Get a real job, get some decent friends. Pretty straighforward stuff. Doesn't change at all when the scum give themselves titles and uniforms and start acting like they have the right to engage in criminal behavior.
Nphyx 6 months ago
@Nphyx "get a real job"?"get some decent friends"?mother fucker,point me to one fire fighter who hangs around with the town mayor to plot the downfall of the working class.fire fighters and (most) cops work to protect the goddamned public,how the hell does treating them like scum bags through association with other scum bags even begin to make sense?
warpedwiselegoman 6 months ago
@warpedwiselegoman protects them from what, a life without having experienced the inside of a jail cell? Cops don't, typically, protect people (nor do they even have a legal duty to intervene, according to the supreme court). On guilt: it's guilt by association with other police, who in the course of their jobs, do horrible things to innocent people under the theory of "victimless crime". And typically direct guilt. Before you pull the nuremberg defense, just don't. Doesn't fly with me.
Nphyx 6 months ago
That. was. AWESOME! Cheers to the bar owners of MI!
GOPsithlord 6 months ago 3
Awesome. Don't go running to mommy and daddy to fix it; give them the finger instead!
FishofMuu 6 months ago
a small victory but a victory none the less
wmarcus1203 6 months ago
next on the michigan agenda: State legislatures can go wherever the fuck they want and if you stop them you'll get thrown in jail act.
VonHOG 6 months ago
Yes Yes and Yes
buckiemohawk 6 months ago
And charge the Health Department cowards, who only fine BAR OWNERS, with trespassing! These gutless government bean counters in Ohio have publicly stated that they are too afraid to approach smokers!
smartinist 6 months ago