Fuck cyclists. Roads were built for cars. What is this re surge in popularity with cycling nowadays? Everywhere I go people keep talking about it and how far they go and where they go. I just tell them in the words of Kenny Powers "I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising."
@ForgiveTremor, you're a funny guy. If you knew the slightest bit about cycling and motor vehicles, you'd know that roads were built for bicyclists, but I'm sure that was well before your time and certainly out of the range of your intelligence, based on your foul language skills.
The statement "Cyclists who complain the loudest about having the right to use the road are often the ones who break laws, clearly shown in this video" is NOT clearly shown in this video - yes you show cyclists ignoring stop signs, HOWEVER there is no evidence that these are the same cyclists who 'complain the loudest' These cyclists appear 2 B very quiet!
Sometimes i am out at 5AM - no cars around for miles & I also roll through red-lights & stop signs - after slowing down and looking 1st.
@thomastimlen, good for you that you can justify violating traffic laws. Certainly since you have this justification, there's no reason for you to obey traffic laws.
It's much simpler in the UK, more road paint = more danger. A stop sign would also have a solid white line painted across the junction, as opposed to a broken line which simply signifies priority. Stop signs are used relatively sparingly as opposed to Yield signs, and must be obeyed as you may miss hidden on-coming traffic.
From what i was told No matter where your at. Every bicyclist is required to stop at ever stop sign, or where ever a Vehicle would have to stop even red lights. The bicyclist has the same rules and restrictions as you were driving a car. but on a bike. All bicyclist are suppose to have an LED head light & Tail light and be scene when riding on the streets. For information on how to ride the correct way Please contact your Local Police department, or contact your local bike shop for details.
While I don't agree that it's necessary to COMPLETELY stop if you see and hear no motorists approaching, it is wise to at slow down to glance around corners and ensure that it's safe for you to continue. For example -- I'm a unicyclist. I cruise around 13-14mph, and do not have brakes (Even if I did, they're dangerous.) Because of my forward momentum, it's not always safest to completely stop. I slow down, to acommodate traffic and perhaps find a big hole to ride through, and stop if necessary.
As a unicyclist, you are not a vehicle, and are not bound by laws specific to vehicles. Riders who create excuses for violating laws are not doing anyone a favor. "If you see and hear no motorists approaching" does not mean one is not approaching. You can't see the headphones in the ears of some of these riders. Electric vehicle make very little noise. People often do not see what is there.
If rider does not feel the need to obey traffic laws, that rider should stick to off-road riding.
@freddotu In some states unicyclists are considered a vehicle and are bound by the same laws. Georgia is a good example - Look up Atlanta Unicycle Club - Bad Boys. In WI, a uni is not a vehicle. I do agree that you may not always be able to detect a vehicle approaching the intersection, but slowing to a pace where you or the motorist would be able to react to one another is wise and should be treated as such. I don't think bikes should be free of law because of toe clips, that's silly.
I stopped at a four way stop today with clipless pedals. I allowed two motorized vehicles to go before me, even though it may have been my right of way. One guy applauded at me as he went by. Not sure what he meant but seems to me maybe he has encountered more non stopping cyclist or he was amazed I could stop without unclipping...who knows.
Like I tell everyone else, do you know how hard it is to have to constantly get in and out of your clips like that. If the rule applies for cyclists as it does for motorcylcists we have to stop and place one foot flat on the ground. We would screw up traffic even more by slowing down to get out of the clips then speeding up slow to get back into them
yes, of course, it is inconvenient to obey traffic laws while operating on the roadways. If it is too inconvenient to obey the laws, do not operate on the roadways. Simple enough.
These riders are not "not stopping" in the manner you suggest. These riders are barely slowing.
It's a big difference. Not shown in this video is a near-crash caused by a bike rider who blew through a stop sign and didn't see the car he had to avoid.
ok not even slowing down or at least looking is another story. I at least glace around corners before going through.
I am just so against stopping because I was at a rail crossing as the lights activated. I should have gone but I tried to be good and stop but I went to far and then couldnt get off my pedals. I fell sideways onto and active railroad track with a train coming. luckily he was coming out of the station and saw me so he stopped to let me get off.
@Flamingchickenvideos learn to trackstand then you wont have that problem and wont make all cyclists disobeying asses on bicycles in motorists eyes..... simple enough.
if a bike stops at a four way intersection and a car arrives at the same time the bike did wich one has the rid a way i need to know and is it the same way with cars
when a motor vehicle and a human powered vehicle arrive at a four-way stop, it is the same as if all were motor vehicles, the vehicle to the right goes first, unless otherwise signaled. I will usually wave on any other driver, especially if they would are going the same direction as I.
Critical Mass is not an activity which promotes safe cycling and safe interaction with other road users. Critical Mass is not something which benefits cycling in general.
The one you don't see will either be a cop who knows the law, or the car that strikes you. On another ride, a group didn't stop for a stop sign and the lead rider didn't see the car. The rider had to perform what the LAB calls a quick turn, in order to avoid being struck.
@Beehaven Even at night? Even when that drunk driver or that idiot driving without his/her lights on blows the stop sign at well over the speed limit? By law all cars have to vehicles have to stop at all stop lights/signs no matter if there is or is not other vehicles, a bicycle is a vehicle.
On the rare occasion when I have to drive a motor vehicle, I don't think I've seen but one cyclist use a hand signal in the last year. Since the velomobile has turn signals, it's a simple matter to extend them and activate them, plus it gets the appropriate response from the other vehicle operators.
I applaud you for setting an example by doing the right thing, and following traffic laws, even when others around you don't As a velo/cyclist myself, I don't like to see other cyclsts running 'the red' be it stop sign, or stoplight. and too many cyclists don't use hand-signals.
Perhaps you can understand the need to stop, because it's the law. There are far too many people on bicycles who believe that they don't need to obey the law because of various reasons. Great. Wrong.
I didn't see a problem, most of the folks slowed down and looked both ways.. yeah, its the law, but you do have a better feel for your surroundings on a bike. I don't see a problem if there aren't any cars waiting at a 4 way.. if there are, yeah, stop and take your turn. The yellow bike, being closer to the ground, you don't have that SUV type view, so I can understand needing to stop for safety purposes.
It's the law and it is for your safety and that of motorists around you. It's sad to think that it will only take a bicycle vs. auto accident to change your mind about stopping when the law states you must.
This sounds like you're saying "its OK as long as you don't get caught"
Say for example you blew through a 4 way with no one at it and were stopped and ticketed by the cops and decided to fight the ticket in court.
What would you argue to get out of the ticket? (suppose there is no arguement about the evidence and the cop's following procedure, constitutional rights, etc.)
yup, pretty much.. Although, I wouldn't fight the ticket in court, I knew what I was doing and took the risk. I speed too when I drive my truck, but I do it in a safe way.. and of course slow down in speed trap areas. The bottom line, bikes running stop signs is bad, I typically don't do it, but if I do and "hit" a car, I will get hurt, the person in the car won't.. If a car runs a stop sign and hits me on a bike, big difference, I'm dead.
I've learned a group ride should break into ten-bike groups. This allows traffic to pass safely and maintains a group. Ten riders can stop at a stop sign and go as a group, with little impact on traffic and obeying traffic laws in the process. Such information does not appear to be widespread.
I'm working on my LCI instructor certification so I can offer vehicular cycling instruction in my area.
If you attend another group ride and the question is asked, you might offer the platoon solution.
That's one of my pet peeves on group rides as well. In a discussion about group rides and ride leaders one person asked do you mean to tell me that in a large group ride that you expect each and every rider to stop at a stop sign/light one at a time and then continue on with the ride? They were told that it wasn't just expected it was the law, they said there's no way we're going to do that.
I agree 100 percent. Large crowds blowing the stop signs does no cyclist good. Worse yet was the two riders making an illegal pass to run the stop sign, while I was waving on a motorist!
I can't say that a motorist won't roll through a stop sign, it's more common than not, but all those cyclists cruising right through like that puts us us all in a very bad light.
Fuck cyclists. Roads were built for cars. What is this re surge in popularity with cycling nowadays? Everywhere I go people keep talking about it and how far they go and where they go. I just tell them in the words of Kenny Powers "I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising."
ForgiveTremor 5 months ago
@ForgiveTremor, you're a funny guy. If you knew the slightest bit about cycling and motor vehicles, you'd know that roads were built for bicyclists, but I'm sure that was well before your time and certainly out of the range of your intelligence, based on your foul language skills.
freddotu 5 months ago
The statement "Cyclists who complain the loudest about having the right to use the road are often the ones who break laws, clearly shown in this video" is NOT clearly shown in this video - yes you show cyclists ignoring stop signs, HOWEVER there is no evidence that these are the same cyclists who 'complain the loudest' These cyclists appear 2 B very quiet!
Sometimes i am out at 5AM - no cars around for miles & I also roll through red-lights & stop signs - after slowing down and looking 1st.
thomastimlen 8 months ago
@thomastimlen, good for you that you can justify violating traffic laws. Certainly since you have this justification, there's no reason for you to obey traffic laws.
freddotu 8 months ago
It's much simpler in the UK, more road paint = more danger. A stop sign would also have a solid white line painted across the junction, as opposed to a broken line which simply signifies priority. Stop signs are used relatively sparingly as opposed to Yield signs, and must be obeyed as you may miss hidden on-coming traffic.
tobstv 9 months ago
From what i was told No matter where your at. Every bicyclist is required to stop at ever stop sign, or where ever a Vehicle would have to stop even red lights. The bicyclist has the same rules and restrictions as you were driving a car. but on a bike. All bicyclist are suppose to have an LED head light & Tail light and be scene when riding on the streets. For information on how to ride the correct way Please contact your Local Police department, or contact your local bike shop for details.
3034893118 10 months ago
Where do you live? Great vids
tcw00 11 months ago
Stop means stop. For everyone operating a vehicle, motorized or not. Period.
greenjeansmjr 11 months ago
love to see a bunch of these losers get run over by a semi.
kingoftyranni 1 year ago
@kingoftyranni Hahaha..thats what I'm hoping to see as I skim through these cyclist group ride videos.
futboleroR10 10 months ago
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reuntes 1 year ago
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SecondClassyCitizen 1 year ago
While I don't agree that it's necessary to COMPLETELY stop if you see and hear no motorists approaching, it is wise to at slow down to glance around corners and ensure that it's safe for you to continue. For example -- I'm a unicyclist. I cruise around 13-14mph, and do not have brakes (Even if I did, they're dangerous.) Because of my forward momentum, it's not always safest to completely stop. I slow down, to acommodate traffic and perhaps find a big hole to ride through, and stop if necessary.
Unicyclist90210 1 year ago
As a unicyclist, you are not a vehicle, and are not bound by laws specific to vehicles. Riders who create excuses for violating laws are not doing anyone a favor. "If you see and hear no motorists approaching" does not mean one is not approaching. You can't see the headphones in the ears of some of these riders. Electric vehicle make very little noise. People often do not see what is there.
If rider does not feel the need to obey traffic laws, that rider should stick to off-road riding.
freddotu 1 year ago 4
@freddotu In some states unicyclists are considered a vehicle and are bound by the same laws. Georgia is a good example - Look up Atlanta Unicycle Club - Bad Boys. In WI, a uni is not a vehicle. I do agree that you may not always be able to detect a vehicle approaching the intersection, but slowing to a pace where you or the motorist would be able to react to one another is wise and should be treated as such. I don't think bikes should be free of law because of toe clips, that's silly.
Unicyclist90210 1 year ago
I stopped at a four way stop today with clipless pedals. I allowed two motorized vehicles to go before me, even though it may have been my right of way. One guy applauded at me as he went by. Not sure what he meant but seems to me maybe he has encountered more non stopping cyclist or he was amazed I could stop without unclipping...who knows.
misterbeefenator 1 year ago
Like I tell everyone else, do you know how hard it is to have to constantly get in and out of your clips like that. If the rule applies for cyclists as it does for motorcylcists we have to stop and place one foot flat on the ground. We would screw up traffic even more by slowing down to get out of the clips then speeding up slow to get back into them
Flamingchickenvideos 2 years ago
yes, of course, it is inconvenient to obey traffic laws while operating on the roadways. If it is too inconvenient to obey the laws, do not operate on the roadways. Simple enough.
These riders are not "not stopping" in the manner you suggest. These riders are barely slowing.
It's a big difference. Not shown in this video is a near-crash caused by a bike rider who blew through a stop sign and didn't see the car he had to avoid.
freddotu 2 years ago 4
ok not even slowing down or at least looking is another story. I at least glace around corners before going through.
I am just so against stopping because I was at a rail crossing as the lights activated. I should have gone but I tried to be good and stop but I went to far and then couldnt get off my pedals. I fell sideways onto and active railroad track with a train coming. luckily he was coming out of the station and saw me so he stopped to let me get off.
Flamingchickenvideos 2 years ago
@Flamingchickenvideos Sounds like you should probably ditch clipless pedals....
fxdrdnme 1 year ago
@Flamingchickenvideos learn to trackstand then you wont have that problem and wont make all cyclists disobeying asses on bicycles in motorists eyes..... simple enough.
fxdrdnme 1 year ago
@Flamingchickenvideos Then what you are saying is that your vehicle is not road worthy. THAT BEING THE CASE, STAY OFF THE ROAD.
ardvarkkkkk 1 year ago
if a bike stops at a four way intersection and a car arrives at the same time the bike did wich one has the rid a way i need to know and is it the same way with cars
ryan2554 2 years ago
when a motor vehicle and a human powered vehicle arrive at a four-way stop, it is the same as if all were motor vehicles, the vehicle to the right goes first, unless otherwise signaled. I will usually wave on any other driver, especially if they would are going the same direction as I.
freddotu 2 years ago
Critical Mass is not an activity which promotes safe cycling and safe interaction with other road users. Critical Mass is not something which benefits cycling in general.
freddotu 2 years ago
Thats wrong, CM is also a gravitational place to prepare ourselves for battle for safer roads.
Road rules are thought for car users especially in countries such US, New Zealand and Australia.
A bike has to stop red lights but cannot go in the motorway. To go to work with my bike I face 15 street lights, and only one if I drive my car.
So, if rule ARE NOT the same, why should I care.
Even more, the street lights doesnt recognise me, I have to wait until a car comes to have green.
ramtes1971 1 year ago
I stop if there are cars present, I don't if there are not.
Beehaven 2 years ago
The one you don't see will either be a cop who knows the law, or the car that strikes you. On another ride, a group didn't stop for a stop sign and the lead rider didn't see the car. The rider had to perform what the LAB calls a quick turn, in order to avoid being struck.
Good luck with your traffic violations.
freddotu 2 years ago
Nope, I see 'em all.
Beehaven 2 years ago
@Beehaven Even at night? Even when that drunk driver or that idiot driving without his/her lights on blows the stop sign at well over the speed limit? By law all cars have to vehicles have to stop at all stop lights/signs no matter if there is or is not other vehicles, a bicycle is a vehicle.
fxdrdnme 1 year ago
dittoe....ps: so critical mass is....illegal?
RoseWhiteRoseRed 2 years ago
dude what the hell are you driving ...what is that think ?
Zlaja16 2 years ago
It's a velomobile, specifically the WAW model. YouTube prevents web link posting, but a google search will return plenty of links.
freddotu 2 years ago
On the rare occasion when I have to drive a motor vehicle, I don't think I've seen but one cyclist use a hand signal in the last year. Since the velomobile has turn signals, it's a simple matter to extend them and activate them, plus it gets the appropriate response from the other vehicle operators.
freddotu 3 years ago
I applaud you for setting an example by doing the right thing, and following traffic laws, even when others around you don't As a velo/cyclist myself, I don't like to see other cyclsts running 'the red' be it stop sign, or stoplight. and too many cyclists don't use hand-signals.
tomcatfranks 3 years ago 2
Perhaps you can understand the need to stop, because it's the law. There are far too many people on bicycles who believe that they don't need to obey the law because of various reasons. Great. Wrong.
freddotu 3 years ago
I didn't see a problem, most of the folks slowed down and looked both ways.. yeah, its the law, but you do have a better feel for your surroundings on a bike. I don't see a problem if there aren't any cars waiting at a 4 way.. if there are, yeah, stop and take your turn. The yellow bike, being closer to the ground, you don't have that SUV type view, so I can understand needing to stop for safety purposes.
austincyclist 3 years ago
"yeah, it's the law, but......"
It's the law and it is for your safety and that of motorists around you. It's sad to think that it will only take a bicycle vs. auto accident to change your mind about stopping when the law states you must.
Kennedale01 3 years ago 2
This sounds like you're saying "its OK as long as you don't get caught"
Say for example you blew through a 4 way with no one at it and were stopped and ticketed by the cops and decided to fight the ticket in court.
What would you argue to get out of the ticket? (suppose there is no arguement about the evidence and the cop's following procedure, constitutional rights, etc.)
wihargo 3 years ago
yup, pretty much.. Although, I wouldn't fight the ticket in court, I knew what I was doing and took the risk. I speed too when I drive my truck, but I do it in a safe way.. and of course slow down in speed trap areas. The bottom line, bikes running stop signs is bad, I typically don't do it, but if I do and "hit" a car, I will get hurt, the person in the car won't.. If a car runs a stop sign and hits me on a bike, big difference, I'm dead.
austincyclist 3 years ago
hey, what you're saying is rational.
wihargo 3 years ago
I've learned a group ride should break into ten-bike groups. This allows traffic to pass safely and maintains a group. Ten riders can stop at a stop sign and go as a group, with little impact on traffic and obeying traffic laws in the process. Such information does not appear to be widespread.
I'm working on my LCI instructor certification so I can offer vehicular cycling instruction in my area.
If you attend another group ride and the question is asked, you might offer the platoon solution.
freddotu 3 years ago
That's one of my pet peeves on group rides as well. In a discussion about group rides and ride leaders one person asked do you mean to tell me that in a large group ride that you expect each and every rider to stop at a stop sign/light one at a time and then continue on with the ride? They were told that it wasn't just expected it was the law, they said there's no way we're going to do that.
nightmare9761 3 years ago
I agree 100 percent. Large crowds blowing the stop signs does no cyclist good. Worse yet was the two riders making an illegal pass to run the stop sign, while I was waving on a motorist!
freddotu 3 years ago
I can't say that a motorist won't roll through a stop sign, it's more common than not, but all those cyclists cruising right through like that puts us us all in a very bad light.
MewFushisDad 3 years ago 7
I agree, well said!
tomcatfranks 3 years ago