We're doing a Tran SIberian Tribute at the Christmas Concert I'm organizing .... If it's even a tenth of their ability I'll be happy :-) We have lights too :D
@murlove7 Honey, if you cut off your arm you wouldn't be able to do the lighting LOL.. have seen them many times and the light shows are fantastic. Don't blame you for wanting to do it... Wouldn't be the TSO without the retina burn..lol
I went to their concert in Houston on 12-5-10 and they were freakin awesome!!!!
The light show was fantastic!!! When they played Wizards of Winter and Carol of the Bells, me and my friend went CRAZY!! Well, AT LEAST I DID!!
At the very begining of Carol Of The Bells, right before the real music started, me and my freind were the only ones cheering besides like 2 or 3 other people, IT WAS A BLAST!!! And it was my first concert!
@murlove7 if u cut off ur arm then u would need to hire an assistant and that would mean they would have to pay 2 ppl to do one persons job, unless you worked for free, but then how would you pay for your meals and accommodation? I don't think you have thought this through properly. Go to your corner now and re-evaluate what you said.
I love the new narrator guy, he so reminds me of James Earl Jones for some reason. XD I got to see the band in Houston earlier this month-they are awesome! XD
I love TSO! every since my parents showed them to me when i was 11 i have fell in love! I wanted to learn the guitar so i could play this stuff!!!! Im 15 now and im still loving it! Rock on TSO!!!
i saw these guys and gals in birmingham, al back in 2008 on new year's eve. got the tickets for christmas that year.
when they were about to play "wizards in winter", the leader asked the audience, "have you guys seen that video on youtube of the house with the lights that are synced to one of our songs?" we all screamed, "yes!" and he said, "y'all ain't seen shit."
and he was right.
that was the most amazing show of lights I've ever seen.
seeing these guys live at the prudential center in Newark NJ on dec 18th. this will b my first time seeing them and i hope im not dissapointed.. which i know i wont b just by watching this video
These guys are INCREDIBLE!! I will be seeing them for the 7th this Sunday time and they never disappoint!! This show is unlike anything you've ever seen; they REALLY give you a show and the musicianship is absolutely phenomenal!!
aaronator: all floor seats are chairs (at least that i know of)
techlink: all shows are set up by each individual locations local union of stagehands. also, the lighting displays and all effects are, im sure, done using a lighting console connected via dmx &/or wireless dmx.... and would require nowhere near 120 people.... the entire show is pre-programmed into that board
The lighting and screen effects are pre programmed. But Bryan Hartley can override of make changes during the show. Movable truss is a DMX board. Pyro is a whole other story I wont go into.
Local unions are used, but each tour does take about 120 people out with them. So whoever said 120 is close. Most of them just set up, eat, sleep, tear down, transport. Some of them actually work the show.
@aaronator235 This is a concert where you can stand up and rock out! I've been to one. It is amazing!!! If you ever get the opportunity, I definitely recommend it! I've been addicted to this group for years, in fact my senior year of high school, which was two years btw, my concert orchestra did a rendition of Wizards of Winter. Talk about awesome!!!
@aaronator235 it's a little of both. People go to see an orchestra, but the rockers immediately start encouraging you to ignore them. They don't talk about the orchestra at all other than to say they just met them yesterday, and talk mostly of these old failed bands they were in. Not one of the rockers ever escaped the 80's, that's for sure. Basically they want you to rock out and pretend that they got there without the help of the orchestra half of their show
I love the bass part at 1:57....i don't really like the light though...i can't really see the musicians but i guess it's suppose to make it even cooler
I LOVE TSO! my parents were shocked that i did bc im only 13, but i think they are just amazing! love the songs, and my most favorite song is Christmas eve sarajevo. haha its my ringtone on my fone durring christmas time!
@101XBeccaX101 its mine too! im excited because i might go see them again this year. my mom got me liking them when i was like 6 and ive liked them ever since!
Seen them 5 years in a row, but missed the last two as tix are just impossible to get for me and the family. They are truly the start of my Christmas season every year. Epic
This was the first TSO song I ever saw live. I'd never heard WIW before. I saw it in Washington DC, and after this little number I was Hooked! Seen them 3 times since!
My Ochertra teacher is bad ass he played with them on Wensday I didn't get to go though *:(* but I can't wait to see them The day after Christmas. =DDD
I saw them two years ago and it was great. They just came through town yesterday but I couldn't go. The show is about two- closer to three hours long.
I need some info here,please...I am going to see them in December and people are telling me that all they be playing is stuff from their new album..is this true..surely they will be kicking out their christmas stuff as well-right??
First part is Christmas, which is really good. Second part is there new stuff they have made, even better. I cant complain about any of it. Saw them November 28 in Charlotte NC
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GDrummerProductions 1 month ago
I just see my first live TSO concert last weekend and i must say these videos dont even begin to showcase the lighting and talent. IT was amazing
DBiggDaddy 1 month ago
I have a signed guitar from the message me if you want to buy it.
MW2SEXYboi 1 month ago in playlist Trans Siberian Orchestra
I lose my virginity next week. My first live TSO show! I am so excited!
igoape 1 month ago
31 people forgot their sunglasses.
CapricornKids 1 month ago
LOVE LOVE!!!!!
tammymc65 1 month ago
Gearing up to see TSO tomorrow, can't wait...This will be my 5th time and it alway's get's better!!! Love TSO.... <3
Tammy9280 1 month ago
one of the best songs i have EVER heard
MSCmaster100 1 month ago
My dad and brother went to see TSO last year around this time. I'M SO FRIGGIN MAD I DIDN'T GET TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
reuter51 1 month ago
i feel so bad for the orchestra having to read the music in such bright lighting!!
ILoveOrchestra101 2 months ago 2
We're doing a Tran SIberian Tribute at the Christmas Concert I'm organizing .... If it's even a tenth of their ability I'll be happy :-) We have lights too :D
LessonsFromGeorgia 2 months ago
I feel sorry for any one who is seizures prone and cant see their concerts
600bri 2 months ago
crazy light set up. wow
liebengood24 2 months ago
It's even better live.
Patsfan6290 2 months ago
theyre just asking for someone in the audience to have a seizure
LockAndL0ad 2 months ago 9
that guitar <3
001batmanjau 3 months ago
@murlove7 Haha good point!! It'd be cool doing pyro or lighting for both. TSO's laser lights look amazing
soundtech1500 5 months ago
@murlove7 Same here. My new goal is to either work for TSO or Disney someday. haha I can't decide.
soundtech1500 5 months ago
@murlove7 I feel your pain!! I run sound and lights and I was blown away when I saw this. Their pyro is amazing too!!
soundtech1500 5 months ago 2
is this hsbc?
lilredsoxfan4455 7 months ago
is this hsbc
lilredsoxfan4455 7 months ago
This is epic. This is probably the only good song they have. Screw jinggle bells!!!!!!!!!!!
Indestrutiblex 8 months ago
Haven't had the honor of seeing them yet. They are on my "bucket list".
thatpat 8 months ago
i saw them yesterday, and oh my god they are so fucking amazing!
JohannesBoi 10 months ago
yayyy im seeing these guyz in april :)
snake7565 10 months ago
:O wow.... Hope these guys come to the UK sometime soon
Chicklo11 11 months ago
this is not a tso vid..cheaply done
williampierce1000 11 months ago
@murlove7 Honey, if you cut off your arm you wouldn't be able to do the lighting LOL.. have seen them many times and the light shows are fantastic. Don't blame you for wanting to do it... Wouldn't be the TSO without the retina burn..lol
goblinonacloud 11 months ago 14
my brain just exploded, then went to buy tickets for their next show
TheGenieMan5000 1 year ago
I went to their concert in Houston on 12-5-10 and they were freakin awesome!!!!
The light show was fantastic!!! When they played Wizards of Winter and Carol of the Bells, me and my friend went CRAZY!! Well, AT LEAST I DID!!
At the very begining of Carol Of The Bells, right before the real music started, me and my freind were the only ones cheering besides like 2 or 3 other people, IT WAS A BLAST!!! And it was my first concert!
hnypny 1 year ago
this is awesome!!!! -does the head banging thing- lol
yuyuichan1 1 year ago
very well done
SirWalkerCrazz 1 year ago 3
@murlove7 if u cut off ur arm then u would need to hire an assistant and that would mean they would have to pay 2 ppl to do one persons job, unless you worked for free, but then how would you pay for your meals and accommodation? I don't think you have thought this through properly. Go to your corner now and re-evaluate what you said.
destined2sleep 1 year ago
@destined2sleep my god its a damn comment and you have to go all smart-ass because someone likes a band that u apparently don't
nickaf1990 10 months ago
Saw them in Detroit for the first time today, and WOW.
I loved their music before, but this completely blew me away.
They are fantastic musicians, and truly gifted.
irkenzimxoxo 1 year ago
Whoo, seizure :D
ui264 1 year ago
I am seeing them today at 730. I'm pumped!
daniellenave94 1 year ago
I love the new narrator guy, he so reminds me of James Earl Jones for some reason. XD I got to see the band in Houston earlier this month-they are awesome! XD
NodDisciple1 1 year ago
@NodDisciple1 Ya, i so them in Dallas last week. Always a great show. Never dissapoints
linkwakeroftime 1 year ago
they rock .. thanks for posting
gypsygirl731 1 year ago
I seen Pink Floyd back in 1995 and they have quite the laser show but TSO (and this is hard for me to say)Tso beat's out Floyd.
TheE1961 1 year ago
I would truly like to see them in my home town of London Ont. for next year if @ all possible.
TheE1961 1 year ago
Just seen TSO last night again in Toronto,this being the third time and WOW.They are magnificent musicians,truly gifted.
TheE1961 1 year ago
O_O I can't wait to see them with my brother on the 26th~
HitsugiFan13 1 year ago
OMG SIEZURE WHAAAAAAAT!
5p4rk13r 1 year ago
most awesome band ive ever herd
DBPRODUCTIONS101 1 year ago
TSO has the perfect amount of loud music + lasers + pyrotechnics = Sensory overloadgasm!
chaos190708 1 year ago
I've gone to a couple of their concerts and loved them! I just wish they'd change their programs once in awhile so the audience can get a variety.
merrywhiterose 1 year ago
I love TSO! every since my parents showed them to me when i was 11 i have fell in love! I wanted to learn the guitar so i could play this stuff!!!! Im 15 now and im still loving it! Rock on TSO!!!
ttdog109 1 year ago
IM GOING TONIGHT!!! ITS GOING TO BE SICK!
therealwhitecastle 1 year ago
@therealwhitecastle Prudential Center, Newark NJ!!!
therealwhitecastle 1 year ago
ABOSUTELY BADASS!!!
13916 1 year ago
30 people are deaf
Caike42u 1 year ago 2
I had the pleasure of seeing them about four years ago. It was "moving".
IAmMissSam1 1 year ago
just amazing!!
epictide2 1 year ago
how the hell do u not like this
tojofan 1 year ago
when they play the bass part it gives me chills
xxxmidnightpoolxxx 1 year ago
reminds me of Dragonforce
Zacharysharkhazard 1 year ago
@Zacharysharkhazard oh no you fucking didn't...
Overture2152 1 year ago
@murlove7 I wouldnt do that... Cuz you'd probably need both arms and a leg to run the light board - programmed or not. :)
ArielsPhotog 1 year ago
i saw these guys and gals in birmingham, al back in 2008 on new year's eve. got the tickets for christmas that year.
when they were about to play "wizards in winter", the leader asked the audience, "have you guys seen that video on youtube of the house with the lights that are synced to one of our songs?" we all screamed, "yes!" and he said, "y'all ain't seen shit."
and he was right.
that was the most amazing show of lights I've ever seen.
absolutely phenomenal. wish i could go this year.
skeeter0jones 1 year ago 2
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The69Envy 1 year ago
Seeing them today
The69Envy 1 year ago
Just saw the show in Raleigh, NC!! it was their BEST performance!! Recommend to everyone!!
o2bnca 1 year ago
@o2bnca Had front-row seats in Raleigh, loved them so much, I'm going to Greensboro's show tomorrow night.. LOVE LOVE LOVE me some TSO!
davidd2172 1 year ago
Woo Hoo!!! I'm going to see them next Saturday 12/11/2010.......I can't wait:)
I am glad that I don't have light induced seizures:)
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thecoolhatdude 1 year ago
@thecoolhatdude aaah hello yes it is
shabaaazz 1 year ago 2
@thecoolhatdude it is - it starts at 1:03.
westonite 1 year ago
TWO FREAKING DAYS FROM RIGHT NOW I WILL BE HEADED TO THE VENUE! I WANT TO CRY OF HAPPINESS!
sexyispatrick 1 year ago
im seeing them in Orlando December 12! I can't wait!
101girlscouts 1 year ago
@101girlscouts Me too!
NimrodOnElmStreet 1 year ago
Show #4 in OKC on Dec 2!
mystyklchyk 1 year ago
Awesome song
EtroTheHedgehog 1 year ago 2
good thing im not epileptic
dieall37 1 year ago
Who would have thought you could mix metal and Christmas music?
onionofdeath 1 year ago
@onionofdeath - " You got Metal in my Christmas music ! ", " You got Christmas music in my Metal ! " - 2 great tastes that taste great together ? ;)
I'm 52, not particularly a Heavy Metal fan, but I like this combo.
knoxvilleguy2 1 year ago
seeing these guys live at the prudential center in Newark NJ on dec 18th. this will b my first time seeing them and i hope im not dissapointed.. which i know i wont b just by watching this video
Brainfreeze56 1 year ago
@Brainfreeze56 Nah bro, I just saw them last night, I would've came in my seat, if I was capable of staying in it. They're fucking epic.
Icebane42 1 year ago
haha the lights arent in sync with the music..
BGSXboxx 1 year ago
me too!!! there BEAST!!!! but i am 14
Fernanda2b1 1 year ago
We went to see them last night and it was freaking amazing! There was fire and lazers and really bright lights!!
JMoe2016 1 year ago
Instant seizure if u aren't careful...
1thq 1 year ago
soo i went to the show a week ago in charleston wv, n i LOVED it but the guy that told a story pissed me off
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if these guys shook hands with chuck norris the universe wound inplode with awesomeness
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TheRockClassicfan 1 year ago
These guys are INCREDIBLE!! I will be seeing them for the 7th this Sunday time and they never disappoint!! This show is unlike anything you've ever seen; they REALLY give you a show and the musicianship is absolutely phenomenal!!
amadeus1756 1 year ago
I've been to the show 5 times...this year will make 6...and it NEVER gets old!
bowlingangel99 1 year ago
i wanta see them when they come to toronto. . . im a huge metal head but this show would rock my socks
kmcintyre87 1 year ago
aaronator: all floor seats are chairs (at least that i know of)
techlink: all shows are set up by each individual locations local union of stagehands. also, the lighting displays and all effects are, im sure, done using a lighting console connected via dmx &/or wireless dmx.... and would require nowhere near 120 people.... the entire show is pre-programmed into that board
jic12251989 1 year ago
@jic12251989 correct and wrong.
The lighting and screen effects are pre programmed. But Bryan Hartley can override of make changes during the show. Movable truss is a DMX board. Pyro is a whole other story I wont go into.
Local unions are used, but each tour does take about 120 people out with them. So whoever said 120 is close. Most of them just set up, eat, sleep, tear down, transport. Some of them actually work the show.
TSOGuru 1 year ago
got tickets for dec 26th!
only999pandas 1 year ago
i cant even imagine how awesome that'd be in person.
grAffitiMUSIC16 1 year ago
@grAffitiMUSIC16 its amazing in person.
skittlesboy39 1 year ago
AMAZING! love these dudes
421laurene 1 year ago
Omg looks like everybody here is 13 lol well im 12 lol sorry just had to say that :)
But tso freaking rocks!
idontgiveacare3333 1 year ago
Is this a formal concert? or can u stand up and rock out?
aaronator235 1 year ago
@aaronator235 This is a concert where you can stand up and rock out! I've been to one. It is amazing!!! If you ever get the opportunity, I definitely recommend it! I've been addicted to this group for years, in fact my senior year of high school, which was two years btw, my concert orchestra did a rendition of Wizards of Winter. Talk about awesome!!!
MissBecca1990 1 year ago
@aaronator235 it's a little of both. People go to see an orchestra, but the rockers immediately start encouraging you to ignore them. They don't talk about the orchestra at all other than to say they just met them yesterday, and talk mostly of these old failed bands they were in. Not one of the rockers ever escaped the 80's, that's for sure. Basically they want you to rock out and pretend that they got there without the help of the orchestra half of their show
wolf11971 1 year ago
Quite a show! they have like 120 techs that go along with them to run it.
TechLinkOnline 1 year ago
@OldManPoopOrgy
Some of these guys virtually invented metal
hazegood 1 year ago
i was 13 when i got into em as well. i cant NOT listen to them
DeathNDecay1 1 year ago
l love is music win i was 11 i went tow hes performes
EL2741 1 year ago
met all of em from both west and east group
tornadochaser14 1 year ago
such a cool song i like it
Fanarik101 1 year ago
here it is in february 2010 and i want christmas again now does dat bring a tear
Suziq1231 1 year ago 2
wats that poping sound on 3:09 - 3:12
slipknotchris203 1 year ago
@slipknotchris203 it was the camera opperator ajusting their grip on camera...
angelbrook2 1 year ago
@slipknotchris203 SODA :)
israelitaman 1 year ago
epic
atomicbombish 2 years ago
W. O. W that is all i have to say. I think that they should come where i am. I just love this song!!!!!!
bubedog 2 years ago
Wow that is great
desmondmisfit97 2 years ago 2
i only founf out about them 1 minute ago
mrwwefan612 2 years ago 2
these guys are good saw them last weekend i would RECOMMEND them any day.
crazytaw1 2 years ago 2
seizeure warning much? lol
awesome sauce
dragonfang231 2 years ago 2
LOL i just saw them tonight i saw a sigh saying no video recordeing
xflamingxsoulx 2 years ago
I fucking LOVE them. They come to Okc On x-mas almost every year.
fujisysuke1901 2 years ago
i bet the people up front couldn't see anything after the show lol
devilhead124 2 years ago
I love the bass part at 1:57....i don't really like the light though...i can't really see the musicians but i guess it's suppose to make it even cooler
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ipod14202 2 years ago
OUAI ca déménage cool !!!!!!!!!!!
FALCO5960 2 years ago
This video doesnt do it justice for when they perform (as good as it is). I was on the floor at this show. Blew my mind man
Z28KR 2 years ago 3
i love the guy with his guitar head banging :P
beatle112 2 years ago 3
I LOVE TSO! my parents were shocked that i did bc im only 13, but i think they are just amazing! love the songs, and my most favorite song is Christmas eve sarajevo. haha its my ringtone on my fone durring christmas time!
101XBeccaX101 2 years ago 26
@101XBeccaX101 I've been addicted to them for almost 3 years now (btw, Im 13 too)
MrNerd314159 1 year ago 2
@101XBeccaX101 xd christmas eve sarajevo is ukranian bell carol. Just take half the notes out.
MrTrainFan3985 1 year ago
@101XBeccaX101 its mine too! im excited because i might go see them again this year. my mom got me liking them when i was like 6 and ive liked them ever since!
TSOROCKS123 1 year ago
@101XBeccaX101 I get to see them live the 23rd
awesomeness413 1 year ago
my favorite part starts at 1:36
gunnyzmith 2 years ago
wow, thats blinding!
kilrdude14 2 years ago 2
i know it look really cool! i want to go see them so much!!!
jas137atyahoocom 2 years ago
Seen them 5 years in a row, but missed the last two as tix are just impossible to get for me and the family. They are truly the start of my Christmas season every year. Epic
CrashMcAdams 2 years ago
This was the first TSO song I ever saw live. I'd never heard WIW before. I saw it in Washington DC, and after this little number I was Hooked! Seen them 3 times since!
Magus59 2 years ago
I got to see TSO in Tulsa Dec. 11th. Incredible show, and I hope I get a chance to catch their Spring tour.
Suraht 2 years ago
i saw them on long island on 12/11/09 it was my frist time seeing them and i cant wait 2 c them agan
yanksman44 2 years ago
Saw them today. AWESOME!
MuskiePat 2 years ago
SEEING THEM TOMORROW! Go to my youtube after tomorrow and there will be HD videos of there whole concert!!!
xLlamaOverlordx 2 years ago
My Ochertra teacher is bad ass he played with them on Wensday I didn't get to go though *:(* but I can't wait to see them The day after Christmas. =DDD
JRoedling13 2 years ago
i hope i can go for my birthday! i love tso!
LOLFOBATLFAN 2 years ago
I'm seeing them the day after Christmas at the Allstate Arena at 2pm! This will be my second TSO concert!! They are truly EPIC!!!! *head bang*
fanilow427 2 years ago
ENVY!!!
EverydayAdventures 2 years ago
Do they do this tour every winter? I can't make it on wednesday *sad*
CaitlinMarsVengeance 2 years ago
Seeing them at 8 pm in PHX - can't wait!
Gourmetwineaux 2 years ago
seeing them in 3 hours!
blackoasischannel 2 years ago
Im goin to go see them in January
JFMDKR09 2 years ago
I am going to seee them next saturday!!!!(:
melanie350 2 years ago 2
i saw them last week :D
sadistxx666xx 2 years ago 3
has anybody seen this performance live? I am going in a few weeks and I'm curious as to how long the show lasts..
drpst11 2 years ago
I saw them two years ago and it was great. They just came through town yesterday but I couldn't go. The show is about two- closer to three hours long.
Have fun
Airchallenged 2 years ago
I just went yesterday and the show was about 2 hours and 30 minutes. But its WAAAY worth it! :D
ZzSilentLegendzZ 2 years ago
i might yea! go cats!
Bendigo4444 2 years ago
going to see these guys December 17 at Rupp!! im excited
aguy4141 2 years ago
lucky
Blondesarecute417 2 years ago
Love the song..
jmcgurl1994 2 years ago
i seen this with the christmas light display it's cool
anko8aug 2 years ago
Their concert is 2 parts. One is the Christmas set, the other is newer stuff...
Enjoy, I saw it a couple of weeks ago and it was great!
mwils24 2 years ago
Thanks!!
Groove4evah 2 years ago
I need some info here,please...I am going to see them in December and people are telling me that all they be playing is stuff from their new album..is this true..surely they will be kicking out their christmas stuff as well-right??
Groove4evah 2 years ago
First part is Christmas, which is really good. Second part is there new stuff they have made, even better. I cant complain about any of it. Saw them November 28 in Charlotte NC
gotogta 2 years ago
I was there too. Awesome show! I thought it got a bit slow right before their break.
cushoeless 2 years ago
Thank you so much!! Peace!
Groove4evah 2 years ago
i went to see them a few years ago in Grand Rapids Mich and it was the best concert i have ever been too. i would luv to see them again.
mydixiedog1 2 years ago
i went to the Vancouver Canada concert. best concert ive seen
dragondrake135 2 years ago
december 9th. DC baby. heck yeah.
MeLrOb1994 2 years ago
I'm going to there concert in December it's gonna be amazing!!
MrCarl98345 2 years ago
So am I.
jonathandaniels13 2 years ago
were playing this in my orchestra class it so fast
Daxxism 2 years ago
Me too my class orchestra is playing for a concert i love this song! :-)
Fishmon90210 2 years ago
that was freakin awesome
zenapoena 2 years ago
Just bought tickets for 12/4. Going to be my 4th time seeing them and love it every time. Theres 8 of us going this time.
oceang1 2 years ago
at the st.pete times forum?????
WhammyMike 2 years ago
I get to see them live November 28 2009, in Charlotte, North Carolina......
gotogta 2 years ago
They give me goosebumps. Lol. They make it so cool and looks like they sound great live.
ChristinaMagma 2 years ago
Seeing these guys in december at toledo!
MrsXCleanXNikki 2 years ago
my gutiar teacher is best freinds with them go check out his his vids eric kluksdahl hes great go trans sibarian orcasta woo
MrMcdive 2 years ago
I remember seeing this show when it came through to atlanta. good stuff
skage 2 years ago
OMG.awesomeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!.Im only 10.I might go see them in december!:))
kamkamXX 2 years ago
i saw them last year, if i could go again id piss my pants i would be so happy
megz613 2 years ago 2
I saw them last night in Providence, RI. They were AWESOME!!
SueAlJen 2 years ago
I get to see them this saturday the 28t, its going to be my first time.
gotogta 2 years ago
ive been to it 2 times u will have a ton of fun
Sabresfan81 2 years ago