@metalheadnick555 If it is done with taste, yes. It will only make classical music more appealing to new listeners, and that's a very important thing!
I'm pretty sure this particular version was played by Quartetto Italiano, not Vegh's Quartet. I've listened to this dozens of times so I do recognize their style.
puede que yo sea joven con 15 años encima pero aun asi amo este tipo de musica me gusta muchoo pero aun asi tambn me gustan otros tipos pero adoro ese sonido tan hermozo de un violín
This is so unlike most of his other work... What a strange piece. I don't think Beethoven was all that great at Counterpoint, especially compared to Bach. There were other things he was much better at imo.
bach and beethoven are my favorite composers, bach music is sublime, and beethoven is glory, different styles, different feelings, same level godlike...
@plagueofangels666 there was more after this--as a matter of fact, he actually wrote an alternative last movement in his 13th string quartet to replace the Grosse Fuge.
You can't compare Beethoven with Bach, because they lived in totally diferent eras...
I personally love Bach's barroque music, but i also love Beethoven. Mozart died when Beethoven was is in twenties, so they are all different, but all genius, and i love their music, like Vivaldi for example, Another barroque composer, beutiful compositions. To whom i listen to, depends on my mood. That's how i put it...
There is something in this piece that feels to me like it contains within it every emotion we are capable of, all entangled and swirling in a mad funneling, twisting mass and it's only his genius that prevents it from disintegrating into vicious shards of lunacy falling into a lake of suffocating nothingness.
the immortal musician i will allways love beethovens music and of course i will allways respect him he was the greatest musician against all the odds!
I love this fugue. All his life he was plagued with the idea to write a "good" fugue. In the end I think he gave up and wrote what HE deemed good, not knowing it was better than anything he had ever done before in counterpoint.
Beethoven never fails to thrill and chill me with his complexity and beauty. Mozart and Bach were wonderful and ingenius, but Beethoven captures fully the kaleidascope of human passions and the diamond-hard brilliance of the unfettered mind. I can't find the words to express what his music is.
@shakanunu "... the diamond-hard brilliance of the unfettered mind." I couldn't have said it better myself. I personally find myself coming back to both Beethoven and Brahms for the same thing: satisfaction at both, and at once, the highest abstractive and primal artiistic levels.
I dont know why you calling it jazz... but anyways... is a unique and superv masterpiece. Beethoven again expores the "fractalistic" and old structure of fugues, with all the complex mathematical-harmonical constructions... this is sacred music, he explodes all potentials of baroque and older sacred music but with so much new elements, as disonances, difffrent sincopes, etc... Many didn't understand this in its moment... Contemporary, yet with the old sacred structures as a basis
You can tell Beethoven poured his heart and soul into this piece. It's so intricate and magnificent, a miracle in itself. Reason being... Well, this amazing piece was written when he was deaf. I think it sounds amazing. xP
Beethoven is one of the greatest composers of all time! And this perticular piece is indeed briliant because it is so real and close to people's hearts. Life not always turns out in the way we want it but try to find beauty in all of it! I can feel the tears running down from my eyes while listening to this. Thanks for posting it...
Comparing Bach and Beethoven is like comparing Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. It just doesn't make sense to me. One guy is from the Baroque era, the other, Classical/Romantic. I understand people will have their own preferences/taste, but to say one is better than the other is more than pushing it.
I agree with you, we can't compare those Men... but if i had to chose one to listen all day long, it would be my Dear Ludwig van Beethoven! I can't stand Bach, i really can't! But in fact it's a great composer and a great man. WIth all my respect...
@daemongrip You obviously don't see the true beauty in this peice, it's highly considered to be one of the greatest musical compositions ever written, if not the greatest.
@Lity10 Perhaps he doesn't but this is not one of beethoven's most accessible pieces, it's not very easy to follow or comprehend for the untrained ear. Maybe you should enlighten us instead of branding your musical knowledge as an object of stature.
@warcax23 lol, what exactly is your problem? You want me to sit here and teach some random guy, who doesn't give a shit anyway? No thanks. Instead I suggest that he (as well as you) go the Grosse Fugue video with the animated score by smalin. It's easy to follow, and could be useful for you too maybe.
People always say Bach's music is "mathematical" and "a computer could have written it." But they are just repeating what they hear other people say. None of Bach's works are written according to "a formula." Yes, his works are very structured, but also beautiful. That takes incredible HUMAN skill and effort.
Bach is my favourite composer. However, I think Beethoven is as good, or better.
People always say Bach's music is "mathematical" and "a computer could have written it." But they are just repeating what they hear other people say. None of Bach's works are written according to "a formula." Yes, his works are very structured, but also beuatiful. That takes incredible HUMAN skill and effort.
Bach is my favourite composer. However, I think Beethoven is as good, or better.
Beethoven and Bach are entirely different composers. They're uncomparable. Besides that, on such an artificial level the two are moving nobody here should dare to prefer one. That's just personal taste.
@Hyperventilacion Yes, Bach is the greatest composer of all times. But Beethoven is not far behind, he is the second greatest, in my opinion at least.
any one who has the need to dress up his songs with meaning full names, and symbolishms, surely has written a song that is not that great.. really great composers are sure of them selves and they dont have to do so.
Seriously, comments, not your hand in marriage. Its beautiful and artistic. Not life. (ya, that was a lame way for me to get protection from the poor comment button)
Here lad stop being an arsehole and clogging up this video with your stupid comments. Nobody cares about the stupid discussion you had with some other randomer off the Internet. You'd think I was watching a bloody rap video with 12 year olds arguing over Jay-Z or Eminem.
Oh, and btw here's a little tip, (especially for you :P), you can't use shut the f off its wither f off or shut the f up, not both. Might just help you come across as a little less slow when you're trying to insult people ;)
@ilkinond They both have their purposes - Dancing Queen is far more effective at fulfilling the expectations of the genre it is a member of and to which it refers; Grosse Fuge in turn surpasses Dancing Queen on the same grounds. What are a genre's "expectations"? It would be tempting to confine them to the most blunt musical characteristics of its examples - shared motivic, rhythmic, harmonic, instrumentational & orchestrational patterns...
@ilkinond (continuing from before)...But these characteristics loose importance without the - admittedly vague and perhaps even mutable - analogy they comprise in relation to some other world of references in life. The glamor, the spinning ecstasy of the obligato horn and satisfaction of the rhythm locking into place with one's proud strut as he gazes out over the sea of lights when the final cadence of the ABBA chorus resolves. In turn, the larger analogies that these conjured images pose...
@musicalidea (cont.) "...images pose" in the realm of culture - th spectacle, unchained from th social body, th rhythm of infrastructure pounding on beyond th scope or control of any individual theme, any Dancing Queen. Th analogical circle continues upward until we see th musical work capturing a subject's cultural moment, entailing its struggle or satiation & prescribing possible resolutions. Contrastingly, music nt only refers 2 culture but culture 2 it, such that they R, at times, each othr.
@ilkinond To be honest I consider both Beethoven and the composers of the ABBA songs (Björn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson) to be geniuses in every sense of the word. I always think that if Benny lived 100 or 200 years ago we would be studying his compositions much like we study Bach, Mozart, Beethoven etc today.
@mozpiano2 cuouldnt agree more with you, it would be interesting to know what kind of music the kurt cobains or thom yorkes would do in the beethoven eras
@abluesman100 Actually it's a matter of taste versus judgment. For most people, including me, making the distinction can be hard at times. In general, I LIKE Bach more than Beethoven. Does that mean that Bach was better? When I come across people who insist that Beethoven was better, I do tend to go there: enter polarization:). Still, this is a great work from Beethoven, and I suspect I'm going to like it at least as much as his Kreutzer sonata.
@voxhunden I would say that as far as raw musical ability goes, there is no one that surpasses Bach. His use of counterpoint and the logic and mathematics behind his music will attest to that. Beethoven's genius lies in his instrumentation and his channeling of emotion. Bach's music is so flawless that it seems to have written itself, whereas listening to Beethoven is like looking directly into someone's soul. Personally, I like Tchaikovsky
Bach's music was so technical that computers have been made that can write music that is identical to his. I never really feel anything when I listen to Bach.
@abluesman100 I agree. All comparisons are odious. How can we listen and compare at the same time? Let us merely listen and enjoy and be a little enlightened by the masters.
You can't really "rank" them and say which one is better. For one thing, they're all so different, AND they influenced each other in many ways. Yeah, without Bach, the music today wouldn't be the same...but you can say the exact same thing about Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt, Schumann, Tchaikovsky, Dvořak Rachmaninoff, Schöenberg, Stravinsky, etc.
They all influenced each other...so it's kind of silly to rank them objectively.
i respect your point of view, but what i mean is that bethoven is a great composeur and interpreteur,his compositions were in deed master-pieces,it represents his wild mind and furious passion, he wanted to change things using his music. i know about
LV Bethoven, but JS BaCh was an artist, i mean he was professionel, he was so brillant. he is a scientific composer, if you have noticed
bach has a large amount of great compositions, and all of them are complicated, hard to listen, to play also.
i agree that when it comes to consistency and delicacy, nobody beats bach but what makes him the greatest?? everybody has different oppinions and to me the greatest musicion is my violin teacher.
The first time I heard the Grosse Fugue I thought it was a 21st century composition. I was literally scared shitless when I found out it was Beethoven. I play in a Symphony Orchestra that performs works by a living composer every concert. Hows that for perspective?
Mozart`s music is "perfect" in the score, Beethoven's music is a great change in the western musical thinking...maybe just in the musical thinking but that is more than only a "beautiful" score
One of the most beatiful song i ever hear, it takes my breath away, the interpretation in this case is terrible, do your self a favour and look better one, but the composition is an master piece.
hahaha..I know...even i love the guy, but he probably had some advantage like perfect pitch or something. how am i supposed to compete with someone who's depressed, smart, hard-working, lonely AND has PERFECT pitch? I think Beethoven was an accident...bunch of random factors collided and helped create something that happens once in a millennium.
@af796 actually, him havinf perfect pitch wouldnt help much. i have it and im nowhere near as beautiful as him, id die to be this perfect. im not saying he didnt have perfect pitch. i bet he did, but thats not why hes the eargasmic
Beethoven certainly is in the topmost circle of musical geniuses the Western World has ever seen.... but one really must not put him so far above others who changed the course of Music As We Know It in a major way - Bach, Mozart, Brahms (the Duetches Requiem is surely on an equal footing with Beethoven's work!!). He is great, but "once in a millenium" seems to me to be going just a BIT overboard.
er.... Mozart fans would disagree. That said, i guess that in the sense of CHANGING the flow of western music, Bach and Beethoven do stand head and shoulders above the rest. In earlier times, Leonin & Perotin similarly transformed pre-medaeval music into polyphony, and in the 20th century Stravinsky was instrumental in ushering in a new era of musical expression. That said, many would argue that much of Mozart, and the BEST of Brahms, Wagner and a few others, is on par with Beethoven's works.
No, I see what you are getting at, but no. As far as revolutionary genius is concerned, you must understand that no other composer compares to Beethoven. As far as skill is concerned, the very best of Brahms may be on par with some of Beethoven's music, But the very best of Brahms is NOT on par with the very best of Beethoven. In fact, the only romantic composer who even comes remotely close to matching the skill of Bach and Beethoven is Wagner.
Alas, that is all, he only comes remotely close, he does not actually equal the two titans. Finaly, to be Avant Gaurde in Stravinsky's time was not unusual, to be so in Beethoven's time, however, was to be mad.
This seems like a self-portrait of Beethoven (I don't mean this in a bad way!) It reflects his lifelong strife, his physical and emotional appearance in the eyes of others.
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."--Thoreau
Not Beethoven, he wasn't quiet and he left us this great music. I love this interpretation and when I first heard the Great Fugue, I thought the composer must be taking great liberties--turns out it was Furtwangler.
just listen carefully the music and you will see what everybody means.... all these great musicians were jazzists.... from bach with all the fuges and the Ricercare a 6 ... to Beethoven with Grosse Fuge.... it is just a great begining to jazz....
maybe, but this doesn't mean that classical music is developing to be jazz ... becuase as u said from bach as it also starts the classical music (approximatly)..
if classical music has a jazz taste ,and the jazz have a classical taste then this doesn't make sense coz there exist in each kind of music a common taste, or else u ,must say classical is the begining of oriental music also
Thats the thing man.... that all musics have connection... from baroque to jazz u are absoloutely right btw... and baroque music is the begining of everything i think... jazz, rock .....
No, there was plenty of music that came before Baroque music. Besides, what these composers did was innovative, but it only seems 'jazzy' to us because we have jazz. There's nothing inherently 'jazzy' about them. In fact, it's more like jazz is influenced by classical music.
It's the first time I listen to that piece after having read so much about it. I don't find it that dissonant maybe this is due to the fact tham I so used to the dissonance of the Hammerklavier fugue.There is something hyptnotizing with the main theme. This piece definitely is the product of a tourmented soul, and this is why I believe so much people love Beethoven: not only was he a genius above all others, but also, we can all at our scale relate to a man that was above all a great human being
1:09!!! :)
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deafornot7 4 months ago
Am I the only person that kinda wants to hear a version of this with rock instruments?
metalheadnick555 5 months ago
@metalheadnick555 Yes, you are.
pchancin7840 4 months ago
@metalheadnick555 I hope so ^_^
Gofaia 3 months ago
@metalheadnick555 If it is done with taste, yes. It will only make classical music more appealing to new listeners, and that's a very important thing!
titusbeertsen 3 months ago
This piece is beautiful, it gives such remarkable expressions of the soul. It is truly a beautiful piece
DamnShoe 5 months ago
I'm pretty sure this particular version was played by Quartetto Italiano, not Vegh's Quartet. I've listened to this dozens of times so I do recognize their style.
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Como el gran maestro dijo, esta pieza no es para el presente sino que para el futuro, para mi es hermosa, tiene gran complejidad, pero me encanta
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deafornot6 5 months ago
es increible esta es la pieza q el mas amo y la q menos gusto al publico de la epoca
dartanag 6 months ago
puede que yo sea joven con 15 años encima pero aun asi amo este tipo de musica me gusta muchoo pero aun asi tambn me gustan otros tipos pero adoro ese sonido tan hermozo de un violín
felip951013 7 months ago
the music equivalent of a Picasso piece.
MRsuperSexyNumberOne 7 months ago
@MRsuperSexyNumberOne indeed.
mastercdz1 6 months ago
@MRsuperSexyNumberOne Picasso is overrated, a fly in comparison to Beethoven. Kandinskiy is a real giant.
vinciano 6 months ago 4
volao
hotiixuertah 7 months ago
jazz????????????????????'
ARGENTINATANGO1 7 months ago
apparently 11 people were high or something!!!!!!
jjndnp08 7 months ago
Can you tell me which quartet this is? It is such a great-sounding recording I would like to try to find it for myself.
limedzez 8 months ago
This is the direct bridge to classical period to contemporary music.
mackbox123 8 months ago 5
This is so unlike most of his other work... What a strange piece. I don't think Beethoven was all that great at Counterpoint, especially compared to Bach. There were other things he was much better at imo.
MERTx123 9 months ago
someone will have the score of this work for piano
MrOieni 9 months ago
@MrOieni look at imlsp . org
they have just about every interpretation of any piece you can think of
mrtakout 7 months ago
@mrtakout thanks thank you very much
MrOieni 7 months ago
@TheKaestner I beg to differ, it makes you think how beautiful the vibrations of those molecules are...
joselondono 9 months ago 2
this is quite a slow tempo
sumiye31red 10 months ago
All the right notes, but not in the right order :)
ebutemetube 10 months ago
bach and beethoven are my favorite composers, bach music is sublime, and beethoven is glory, different styles, different feelings, same level godlike...
vladnek 11 months ago
is this THE last work he made or was there another after this?
plagueofangels666 11 months ago
@plagueofangels666 there was more after this--as a matter of fact, he actually wrote an alternative last movement in his 13th string quartet to replace the Grosse Fuge.
rimonino 11 months ago
genialidad...
videoweb1 11 months ago
Ludwig Van was the boi Bach is just a tree!
animalanimalanimal14 1 year ago
@animalanimalanimal14 You're stupid and immature. They were both magnificent, and different.
InYourGrave 1 year ago
who are the performers?
semigod 1 year ago
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NimbleTurtle13 1 year ago
oh grande grande beethoven, grosse fuge my favorite beethoven piece. is god's joke to the world
vladnek 1 year ago
If Beethoven read all this, he would undoubtedly kick your asses.
TheSoulOfGenius 1 year ago 4
You can't compare Beethoven with Bach, because they lived in totally diferent eras...
I personally love Bach's barroque music, but i also love Beethoven. Mozart died when Beethoven was is in twenties, so they are all different, but all genius, and i love their music, like Vivaldi for example, Another barroque composer, beutiful compositions. To whom i listen to, depends on my mood. That's how i put it...
petruz1993 1 year ago 16
@petruz1993 U put it well young padawan :D
ivansimosimic 4 months ago
@ivansimosimic hehe xD I gess i do ^^
petruz1993 4 months ago
@petruz1993 You can compare Beethoven with Bach in the sense that they both changed the classical music scene forever with their music.
borskyviolin 2 months ago
@petruz1993 I agree completely with you, my only qualm is that it's merely "to whom i listen" (only trying to help!)
doomsday1216 1 month ago
There is something in this piece that feels to me like it contains within it every emotion we are capable of, all entangled and swirling in a mad funneling, twisting mass and it's only his genius that prevents it from disintegrating into vicious shards of lunacy falling into a lake of suffocating nothingness.
shakanunu 1 year ago 4
the immortal musician i will allways love beethovens music and of course i will allways respect him he was the greatest musician against all the odds!
infirmusisdrums 1 year ago
How to make paradise with shit....
HenriNioto 1 year ago
Music like this make me think life is more than a structure of molecules.
TheKaestner 1 year ago 36
@TheKaestner The key word here is "think".
BlodOgTorden 8 months ago
This is one of my favorite compositions, but it's not a god damn jazz composition.
Lumiinex 1 year ago
I love this fugue. All his life he was plagued with the idea to write a "good" fugue. In the end I think he gave up and wrote what HE deemed good, not knowing it was better than anything he had ever done before in counterpoint.
AndyMajia 1 year ago 3
Beethoven never fails to thrill and chill me with his complexity and beauty. Mozart and Bach were wonderful and ingenius, but Beethoven captures fully the kaleidascope of human passions and the diamond-hard brilliance of the unfettered mind. I can't find the words to express what his music is.
shakanunu 1 year ago
@shakanunu "... the diamond-hard brilliance of the unfettered mind." I couldn't have said it better myself. I personally find myself coming back to both Beethoven and Brahms for the same thing: satisfaction at both, and at once, the highest abstractive and primal artiistic levels.
HungrySamurai1 1 year ago
@shakanunu Nicely put. If music could be expressed adequately in words, we wouldn't need music.
smalin 1 year ago
I dont know why you calling it jazz... but anyways... is a unique and superv masterpiece. Beethoven again expores the "fractalistic" and old structure of fugues, with all the complex mathematical-harmonical constructions... this is sacred music, he explodes all potentials of baroque and older sacred music but with so much new elements, as disonances, difffrent sincopes, etc... Many didn't understand this in its moment... Contemporary, yet with the old sacred structures as a basis
Quetzalcuetlachtli 1 year ago 3
i think his last piano sonata was the first jazz piece and that this was the first avant garde piece.
noiseinthevoid 1 year ago 4
@noiseinthevoid
Really!
mirrors1 1 year ago
The clashing of the strings and the abnormal sounds drive me insane. I love it.
1Lisztener1 1 year ago 4
You can tell Beethoven poured his heart and soul into this piece. It's so intricate and magnificent, a miracle in itself. Reason being... Well, this amazing piece was written when he was deaf. I think it sounds amazing. xP
Cagedand3nRaged 1 year ago
Fantastico. Amazing piece of art
Erikk91 1 year ago
Fucking great Fuge!
TuranianDominator 1 year ago
Beethoven is one of the greatest composers of all time! And this perticular piece is indeed briliant because it is so real and close to people's hearts. Life not always turns out in the way we want it but try to find beauty in all of it! I can feel the tears running down from my eyes while listening to this. Thanks for posting it...
kellybundy1000 1 year ago
Anyone who thinks Beethoven is the best is baching up the wrong tree...
dom0s 1 year ago
Ludwig
PINKFLOYDPIG2 1 year ago
Comparing Bach and Beethoven is like comparing Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. It just doesn't make sense to me. One guy is from the Baroque era, the other, Classical/Romantic. I understand people will have their own preferences/taste, but to say one is better than the other is more than pushing it.
keetner 1 year ago 7
@keetner
Hi,
I agree with you, we can't compare those Men... but if i had to chose one to listen all day long, it would be my Dear Ludwig van Beethoven! I can't stand Bach, i really can't! But in fact it's a great composer and a great man. WIth all my respect...
Vega2rck 1 year ago
sounds like a cat being murdered
daemongrip 1 year ago
@daemongrip You obviously don't see the true beauty in this peice, it's highly considered to be one of the greatest musical compositions ever written, if not the greatest.
Eorzat 1 year ago
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how the hell can you call this music?
daemongrip 1 year ago
@daemongrip
Well, in my opinion this is one of Van Beethoven's better works.
maxsiem77 1 year ago
@maxsiem77 this piece shows how everyone can have a different opinion on stuff..
daemongrip 1 year ago
@daemongrip this piece shows how you don't understand music. At all. Do you even know what a fugue is?
Lity10 1 year ago
@Lity10 Perhaps he doesn't but this is not one of beethoven's most accessible pieces, it's not very easy to follow or comprehend for the untrained ear. Maybe you should enlighten us instead of branding your musical knowledge as an object of stature.
warcax23 1 year ago
@warcax23 lol, what exactly is your problem? You want me to sit here and teach some random guy, who doesn't give a shit anyway? No thanks. Instead I suggest that he (as well as you) go the Grosse Fugue video with the animated score by smalin. It's easy to follow, and could be useful for you too maybe.
Lity10 1 year ago
This music reminds us that Beethoven would have been very interested in atonal music. It is astonishingly close to atonal. sanjosemike
sanjosemike 1 year ago
1. Beethoven
2. Bach
3. Ives
4. Schoenberg
5. Debussy
EMPERORMIKI 1 year ago
the best composition ever created in the musical world :)
LanSiscariote 1 year ago 3
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People always say Bach's music is "mathematical" and "a computer could have written it." But they are just repeating what they hear other people say. None of Bach's works are written according to "a formula." Yes, his works are very structured, but also beautiful. That takes incredible HUMAN skill and effort.
Bach is my favourite composer. However, I think Beethoven is as good, or better.
alienalienss 1 year ago
People always say Bach's music is "mathematical" and "a computer could have written it." But they are just repeating what they hear other people say. None of Bach's works are written according to "a formula." Yes, his works are very structured, but also beuatiful. That takes incredible HUMAN skill and effort.
Bach is my favourite composer. However, I think Beethoven is as good, or better.
alienalienss 1 year ago
Beethoven and Bach are entirely different composers. They're uncomparable. Besides that, on such an artificial level the two are moving nobody here should dare to prefer one. That's just personal taste.
moltopassionato90 1 year ago 3
This picture is insane! This could not be drawn from a sitting. If it was, the ARTIST who created it is who we should be celebrating.
lithjimmy 1 year ago 2
My favorite is Bach, honestly.
Hyperventilacion 1 year ago
@Hyperventilacion Yes, Bach is the greatest composer of all times. But Beethoven is not far behind, he is the second greatest, in my opinion at least.
Nuker1337 1 year ago
@Nuker1337 How can you draw an analogy of Baroque period and romantisism??!!
TheStonCollector 1 year ago 4
Arguing between Bach and Beethoven is anything but immature.
HammerOvThor 1 year ago 5
magno
salvadorallende73 1 year ago
I agree that it is one of the greatest compositions ever. Its beauty is mind shattering.
LittleRedKing 1 year ago
any one who has the need to dress up his songs with meaning full names, and symbolishms, surely has written a song that is not that great.. really great composers are sure of them selves and they dont have to do so.
nursien 1 year ago
stop fighting....
god is embedded in this video.
beethoven is god.
just listen to the music
TheImpromptuChef 1 year ago
wtf r u talkin about? shush : \
iXaier 1 year ago
love this piece. beethoven was such a baller.
Paradise737 1 year ago 42
This is a work of genius. I suppose some people do not see the beauty within the beast when comes to the Grosse Fuge
lisany749 1 year ago
feels like i'm listening to an orchestra
MAGNIFICENT :)
fernViolin 1 year ago
Can someone tell me which quartet is playing this ? Im looking for the exact same version as none of those that I own satisfy me fully like this one
wukillah 1 year ago
Quartetto Italiano. & yes, I agree, this is one of the most beautiful interpetations I've heard of this piece.
00Rotem00 1 year ago
Thank you very much
wukillah 1 year ago
Seriously, comments, not your hand in marriage. Its beautiful and artistic. Not life. (ya, that was a lame way for me to get protection from the poor comment button)
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chopinandliszt 1 year ago
Here lad stop being an arsehole and clogging up this video with your stupid comments. Nobody cares about the stupid discussion you had with some other randomer off the Internet. You'd think I was watching a bloody rap video with 12 year olds arguing over Jay-Z or Eminem.
Oh, and btw here's a little tip, (especially for you :P), you can't use shut the f off its wither f off or shut the f up, not both. Might just help you come across as a little less slow when you're trying to insult people ;)
Crochuir 1 year ago
Whoops should've been *either* there not wither. Ah well, can't blame a fella for mistakes can you ;)
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chopinandliszt 1 year ago
Calm down.
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chopinandliszt 1 year ago
I think all this Bach vs. Beethoven arguing is really ridiculous and immature.
abluesman100 1 year ago 108
@ abluesman100 ~ You're right!
LindseyGW 1 year ago
@abluesman100 I agree. Beethoven Vs. Abba is the defining comparison. Grosse Fuge or Dancing Queen?Which would you less like to hear?
ilkinond 1 year ago 3
@ilkinond They both have their purposes - Dancing Queen is far more effective at fulfilling the expectations of the genre it is a member of and to which it refers; Grosse Fuge in turn surpasses Dancing Queen on the same grounds. What are a genre's "expectations"? It would be tempting to confine them to the most blunt musical characteristics of its examples - shared motivic, rhythmic, harmonic, instrumentational & orchestrational patterns...
musicalidea 1 year ago
@ilkinond (continuing from before)...But these characteristics loose importance without the - admittedly vague and perhaps even mutable - analogy they comprise in relation to some other world of references in life. The glamor, the spinning ecstasy of the obligato horn and satisfaction of the rhythm locking into place with one's proud strut as he gazes out over the sea of lights when the final cadence of the ABBA chorus resolves. In turn, the larger analogies that these conjured images pose...
musicalidea 1 year ago
@musicalidea (cont.) "...images pose" in the realm of culture - th spectacle, unchained from th social body, th rhythm of infrastructure pounding on beyond th scope or control of any individual theme, any Dancing Queen. Th analogical circle continues upward until we see th musical work capturing a subject's cultural moment, entailing its struggle or satiation & prescribing possible resolutions. Contrastingly, music nt only refers 2 culture but culture 2 it, such that they R, at times, each othr.
musicalidea 1 year ago
@ilkinond To be honest I consider both Beethoven and the composers of the ABBA songs (Björn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson) to be geniuses in every sense of the word. I always think that if Benny lived 100 or 200 years ago we would be studying his compositions much like we study Bach, Mozart, Beethoven etc today.
mozpiano2 1 year ago 2
@mozpiano2 cuouldnt agree more with you, it would be interesting to know what kind of music the kurt cobains or thom yorkes would do in the beethoven eras
vladnek 11 months ago
@abluesman100 Actually it's a matter of taste versus judgment. For most people, including me, making the distinction can be hard at times. In general, I LIKE Bach more than Beethoven. Does that mean that Bach was better? When I come across people who insist that Beethoven was better, I do tend to go there: enter polarization:). Still, this is a great work from Beethoven, and I suspect I'm going to like it at least as much as his Kreutzer sonata.
voxhunden 1 year ago
@voxhunden I appreciate your balanced comment - finally a bit of perspicacity.
musicalidea 1 year ago
@voxhunden I would say that as far as raw musical ability goes, there is no one that surpasses Bach. His use of counterpoint and the logic and mathematics behind his music will attest to that. Beethoven's genius lies in his instrumentation and his channeling of emotion. Bach's music is so flawless that it seems to have written itself, whereas listening to Beethoven is like looking directly into someone's soul. Personally, I like Tchaikovsky
purplehaze0120 1 year ago
@purplehaze0120
Bach's music was so technical that computers have been made that can write music that is identical to his. I never really feel anything when I listen to Bach.
Tharumus 1 year ago
@Tharumus
Beethoven could. Maybe its because you don't understand the music. What program would that be by the way? I'd like to have that =D
gr0mithtimon 1 year ago
@gr0mithtimon
Beethoven could what?
I read of the computer in an article once, I can't seem to find it again though.
Tharumus 1 year ago
@Tharumus
He liked Bach. But this conversation is going to get boring now.
gr0mithtimon 1 year ago
@abluesman100 i agree...because mozart blows them both outta the water
shroomingnewman 1 year ago
@abluesman100 I agree. All comparisons are odious. How can we listen and compare at the same time? Let us merely listen and enjoy and be a little enlightened by the masters.
roman1akid 1 year ago 4
@abluesman100 Yeah...it really is.
You can't really "rank" them and say which one is better. For one thing, they're all so different, AND they influenced each other in many ways. Yeah, without Bach, the music today wouldn't be the same...but you can say the exact same thing about Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, Chopin, Brahms, Liszt, Schumann, Tchaikovsky, Dvořak Rachmaninoff, Schöenberg, Stravinsky, etc.
They all influenced each other...so it's kind of silly to rank them objectively.
mario54671 11 months ago
i respect your point of view, but what i mean is that bethoven is a great composeur and interpreteur,his compositions were in deed master-pieces,it represents his wild mind and furious passion, he wanted to change things using his music. i know about
LV Bethoven, but JS BaCh was an artist, i mean he was professionel, he was so brillant. he is a scientific composer, if you have noticed
bach has a large amount of great compositions, and all of them are complicated, hard to listen, to play also.
aarib120 1 year ago
@randombackwash
I would never, ever remove the well-tempered clavier.
MrAlexKeaton 1 year ago
Beethoven was a master, but the two greatest composers were Bach and Mozart.
I would put Beethoven at 3rd.
However, my FAVORITE composers include Wagner, Rachmaninoff, Brahms, etc.
MrAlexKeaton 1 year ago
I think Beethoven deserves the first place
UltraStarGod20 1 year ago
@randombackwash
sorry to shock you, but the greatest composer ever walk on earth was BaCH, he was a genious.
bethoven is a master too, but if you are looking for both sophistication and kindness, you should try BaCH
aarib120 1 year ago
i agree that when it comes to consistency and delicacy, nobody beats bach but what makes him the greatest?? everybody has different oppinions and to me the greatest musicion is my violin teacher.
lsheen87 1 year ago
¡¡ Violenta,violenta !!!!! ¡¡¡¡¡ aaahhhhhhhh !!!!!
LeonBeethoven 1 year ago
Bach composing came from the spirit of God
Mozart composing came from the heart of God
Beethoven composing came from the literal conversations with God and his soul.
onyxreddragon 2 years ago 3
The first time I heard the Grosse Fugue I thought it was a 21st century composition. I was literally scared shitless when I found out it was Beethoven. I play in a Symphony Orchestra that performs works by a living composer every concert. Hows that for perspective?
henzwang 2 years ago
Mozart`s music is "perfect" in the score, Beethoven's music is a great change in the western musical thinking...maybe just in the musical thinking but that is more than only a "beautiful" score
drmth59 2 years ago
b is the idea of god and i love all of u that adore this man that was/is the highest expression of humanity there ever was.
fsharpminor63 2 years ago
I love you beethoven
teubigfoot 2 years ago
Absolutely mindblowing...it's perfectness just lures you in and never lets you go...
kancaras77 2 years ago
Finally.
If God was to speak with Beethoven's music.
This piece explains why he forgives us.
NetworkHaze 2 years ago
This is not ugly. This is not beautiful. This is both of them.
This is how the world is created and connected with an unbreakable bound.
Cause:
*You can't be really beautiful if you don't feel ugly and humble.
*You can't be rich if you don't see yourself as a poor man.
*You can't be the greatest composer of all time if you are not deaf!
Every piece is carefully added in a way that can't be replaced.
Simply... Perfect.
NetworkHaze 2 years ago
i hope you realise you have become a taoist
thebloads 1 year ago
I dont undestand your comment as it was good or bad.
Wikipedia enlightened me about what taoist means.
So by your point of view is being a taoist a bad thing ?
I dont try to make theories out of nothing no one does
that. I just say the obvious.
NetworkHaze 1 year ago
- "Oh my god you are deafer than i thought"
If he could only imagine..
NetworkHaze 2 years ago
If god existed, i would have licked his balls/her ovaries for having created this man.
af796 2 years ago 4
One of the most beatiful song i ever hear, it takes my breath away, the interpretation in this case is terrible, do your self a favour and look better one, but the composition is an master piece.
proferthofh 2 years ago
I think the interpretation is fine. Which one do you think is better?
AEFic 2 years ago
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abluesman100 2 years ago
so beautiful
janiepish 2 years ago
he was deaf, guys, DEAF when he composed this. Amazing. No words.
filopaa1990 2 years ago 13
Apparently, he had perfect pitch though. It would definitely help.
AEFic 2 years ago
hahaha..I know...even i love the guy, but he probably had some advantage like perfect pitch or something. how am i supposed to compete with someone who's depressed, smart, hard-working, lonely AND has PERFECT pitch? I think Beethoven was an accident...bunch of random factors collided and helped create something that happens once in a millennium.
af796 2 years ago
@af796 actually, him havinf perfect pitch wouldnt help much. i have it and im nowhere near as beautiful as him, id die to be this perfect. im not saying he didnt have perfect pitch. i bet he did, but thats not why hes the eargasmic
TaylorTCOfficial 2 years ago
Beethoven certainly is in the topmost circle of musical geniuses the Western World has ever seen.... but one really must not put him so far above others who changed the course of Music As We Know It in a major way - Bach, Mozart, Brahms (the Duetches Requiem is surely on an equal footing with Beethoven's work!!). He is great, but "once in a millenium" seems to me to be going just a BIT overboard.
HolyMotherofGrid 2 years ago
No, no, no, it really isn't. Beethoven's only serious rival is Bach.
sstuddert 2 years ago
er.... Mozart fans would disagree. That said, i guess that in the sense of CHANGING the flow of western music, Bach and Beethoven do stand head and shoulders above the rest. In earlier times, Leonin & Perotin similarly transformed pre-medaeval music into polyphony, and in the 20th century Stravinsky was instrumental in ushering in a new era of musical expression. That said, many would argue that much of Mozart, and the BEST of Brahms, Wagner and a few others, is on par with Beethoven's works.
HolyMotherofGrid 2 years ago
No, I see what you are getting at, but no. As far as revolutionary genius is concerned, you must understand that no other composer compares to Beethoven. As far as skill is concerned, the very best of Brahms may be on par with some of Beethoven's music, But the very best of Brahms is NOT on par with the very best of Beethoven. In fact, the only romantic composer who even comes remotely close to matching the skill of Bach and Beethoven is Wagner.
sstuddert 1 year ago
Alas, that is all, he only comes remotely close, he does not actually equal the two titans. Finaly, to be Avant Gaurde in Stravinsky's time was not unusual, to be so in Beethoven's time, however, was to be mad.
sstuddert 1 year ago
@filopaa1990 no kiddin
Lity10 1 year ago
the ending always struck me as sort of proto-jazzy, too
dddilly 2 years ago
i think i remember jwn sullivan calling this (I'm paraphrasing) a synthesis of personal assertion and surrender
dddilly 2 years ago
Oh, please!! He's a romantic composer. His music, obviously, reflects a dramatic emotion.
LunnariamGoth 2 years ago 3
u r really right! i'm just sharing your opinion!
BalazsDeak666 2 years ago
Thank you. The first time I heard the Fuge I felt dizzy but I think is the feeling Beethoven want to show you.
LunnariamGoth 1 year ago
who says this music is ugly???
your mind must be ugly to think so...!
tubechi1 2 years ago
This seems like a self-portrait of Beethoven (I don't mean this in a bad way!) It reflects his lifelong strife, his physical and emotional appearance in the eyes of others.
revorrah 2 years ago 2
This is one of my favorite pieces. Happy birthday, Beethoven!
l3r0ii 2 years ago 18
such beauty its magnificent!
jay2rocks 2 years ago
Can anyone give me a good analogy of this?
MrBeethoven333 2 years ago
Splendide! Bien articulé et très sensible!
RICPOIRIER1 2 years ago
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."--Thoreau
Not Beethoven, he wasn't quiet and he left us this great music. I love this interpretation and when I first heard the Great Fugue, I thought the composer must be taking great liberties--turns out it was Furtwangler.
deepfugue 2 years ago 8
why he talks about jazz ... and why in the tags it's jazz ...what jazz classical beethoven ahhhhh... anybody explain plz
costellopianist 2 years ago
just listen carefully the music and you will see what everybody means.... all these great musicians were jazzists.... from bach with all the fuges and the Ricercare a 6 ... to Beethoven with Grosse Fuge.... it is just a great begining to jazz....
adriathan1994 2 years ago
maybe, but this doesn't mean that classical music is developing to be jazz ... becuase as u said from bach as it also starts the classical music (approximatly)..
if classical music has a jazz taste ,and the jazz have a classical taste then this doesn't make sense coz there exist in each kind of music a common taste, or else u ,must say classical is the begining of oriental music also
costellopianist 2 years ago
Thats the thing man.... that all musics have connection... from baroque to jazz u are absoloutely right btw... and baroque music is the begining of everything i think... jazz, rock .....
adriathan1994 2 years ago
No, there was plenty of music that came before Baroque music. Besides, what these composers did was innovative, but it only seems 'jazzy' to us because we have jazz. There's nothing inherently 'jazzy' about them. In fact, it's more like jazz is influenced by classical music.
AEFic 2 years ago
It's the first time I listen to that piece after having read so much about it. I don't find it that dissonant maybe this is due to the fact tham I so used to the dissonance of the Hammerklavier fugue.There is something hyptnotizing with the main theme. This piece definitely is the product of a tourmented soul, and this is why I believe so much people love Beethoven: not only was he a genius above all others, but also, we can all at our scale relate to a man that was above all a great human being
wukillah 2 years ago
I loved it
pcma1970 2 years ago
Reply to Fuliginosus: You don't judge beethoven, Beethoven judges you.