Lulz, gotta love propaganda. The fact of the matter is if you're Russian, the Sukhoi is the best fighter in the world. If you're American, the Raptor is the best fighter in the world. Its all perspective at this point since they've never actually been in combat against each other (that we know of). And if either side tries to use simulations as some sort of "proof" of superiority its all biased bullshit since both sides say their fighter would win and you cant simulate a pilots skill.
@BlakenBits Really i think all this stuff is pointless,Each side taunts each others fighters even though neither have seen or been in combat.But all that matters is when the F-22 and SU-35 meet in the skies then the victor will rise between the two.
@gypsykingg this planes cute... and the F-22 is a comedy show with wings... it might actually match the capabilities of the MiG-29, sorry USA u guys ain't funny ;)
@sukhoisown Funny how ever time the US has had engagements with russian aircraft, it has been no contest with the US pilots. In the gulf war US pilots were going up against iraqi pilots with countless combat hours and shot them out of the sky and they were so scared they refused to fly. And while russia is developing these jets to do these impractical maneuvers, all the US pilots have to do it turn their head and fire with the JHMCS. Russia is shit, so is there "good" cold war technology, haha
@sukhoisown and seeing that no sukhoi has BVR they will all be shot down before they know what hit them, and also seeing that there is only 5 su-35's because russia is too poor to build a cheap toy called a fighter, they could never win a war. the radar on this plane is only good up to 150 nmi, f-22 is good up to 250 nmi, and with a RCS the size of a marble, it doesn't matter how close you are, the radar will never see it.
@gypsykingg Interesting... last time i checked the R-27, the R-33, the R-37 and the R-77 are BVR missiles. the F-22 doesn't even have rear radars... so while its running away it won't even see whats coming at it. The T-50 Su-PAKFA is built on the concept of BVR warfare. Its not like the US AIM-120D can even catch a Su-35BM as it has jammers for this and is far too maneuverable.
@sukhoisown funny how all of those were designed in the 80's and have terrible RADAR tracking. No fighter has rear facing RADAR, and the f-22 has more advanced radar jamming equipment than any sukhoi. I understand that this is your first BVR fighter, but it's not the US first. and all those pretty aerobatics you see in a demo, are useless in combat, doing those will get you shot down in a second.
@sukhoisown also to help with the raptors incredible BVR is the AWACS. it can lock on a target from hundreds of miles away, fire and the sukhoi wont even know its locked until the last few seconds when the missiles RADAR becomes activated.It's obvious you get all your information from wiki and youtube because you don't have the slightest clue on how engagements work.
@gypsykingg are u illeterate by any chance? The Russians invented the HMD system, and JHMCS. American planes were told never to engage a MiG unless the numbers were in favor of the americans. doing a cobra creates a thermal vortex throwing off a AIM-9X. radar isn't an abbreviation. the MiG-25 was russia's first BVR fighter, before USA's first. the f-22 isn't armed with advanced jammers. the IRBIS-E is superior to the APG-77. australia trains pilots to combat the rear radar. russia has AEW&CS too
@sukhoisown haha you are ridiculous. Radar stands for RAdio Detection And Ranging dummy. During the gulf war most american pilots were outnumbered and facing opponents that have flown many combat missions and most of the Americans had not. The Americans dominated the sky. Same with the korean war and vietnam war against migs. But it was the SAAF was the first country to create any sort of HMCS. Also doing a cobra just creats a bigger slower moving target for a missile to hit
@sukhoisown Also the Russians only have one flying Awacs, with terrible range with its Radar. The russian Air force is inferior to the US, And the new PAK FA, what a joke, the US has nearly 30 years of stealth design experience on the Russians. BTW the f22 has multiple jamming systems. It is the most advanced aircraft in the sky today. If the su 35 was so great I don't know why russia would rush to build a brand new fighter.
@sukhoisown How do you know the F-22 doesnt have jammers most of the jet is still classified. You dont know what kind of avionics are on it all you know is what you read and see.
There is no evidence to suggest the AN/APG-77 is inferior to the Irbis-E. Both have around 1,500 transmit/receive modules. It is prudent to note however that the Irbis-E is a passive electronically scanned array not an AESA. Thus, the Raptor's radar is harder to jam. This point is irrelevant as an F-22A has an rcs of -40 dBSM (.0001m^2). while the Su-35S (domestic version of SU-35BM) has an rcs of 2m^2. Even the Pak Fa's rcs is estimated at .01m^2 (source: Air Power Australia)
@gypsykingg It's funny that the Americans thinks that the F-22 is the best plane ever, The Eurofighter Typhoon went head to head with the F-22 RAF Vs US Air Force, in 3 trainingtest, after the second test the US Air Force gave up it was completly outmanuvert by the Eurofighter......so i guess the Eurofighter is the only plane that can take down the SU 35... Greetings from Denmark
@sukhoisown I wouldn't strap this shit on me if it was free. Poorly constructed and cheap. Every American combat jet that you mention out of your nasty mouth has never backed down or dodged anything from the ANTIQUATED, but BARBARIC Russia. The USA and the Israeli Air Forces can't hardly wait to test anything that you send down to IRAN. And we would prefer that your pilots do the flying since it angries your leaders to lose so bad when ever we meet. (smile friend).
@MrAbhishekricky ahha are you kidding?? an f-86 has shot down a mig 21. never has an f 16 been shot down by any migs and f16's have multiple kills against mig 29's. the F-15 has never been shot down in air-to-air combat and has plucked many different types of migs out of the sky, including the 21 and 29. you need to update yourself dumbass
@deadmanshand2010 well,why not?Soviet/Russian air defence systems are combat-proven machines.If there is something that Russians should be known for,that's their Air Defence systems
@gypsykingg its ranked the second best jet in the world so yea. It is hell alot better than the F-15SE.
If I was a air force commander, I would want these fighter on my side. and upgrade them with faster engine and maybe redesign the jet a little. but other than that, this jet is cool!!
Sukhoi make wonderful aircraft. Eventhough im pro Western (US) aircraft id have to think hard on my purchase of combat aircraft. The Su-35BM is not your dads sukhoi. Its very advanced.
thers alot of shit talk but no war to prove any thing witch in its self renders it useless ....... any way dont you all want peace? ..... let me answer that, fuck no we want to rip each others throats out ... but wen it comes down to it we will never see the day wen the f22 and the su35/47/37s have to dog fight because the countrys they belong to dont have the balls to fight in open war , why ?? ......... Nukes .....and HAARP type wepons and americas partical beam tech .
A great video of one of the best aircraft families. The Indian Su-30MKI was the pinnacle till the Su-35BM. The only aircraft that robustly outperforms the 35 is the F-22. Other aircraft including advanced teen, eurocanard and F-35 series are outclassed completely. The Su-35 at long range can out turn an Aim120D and of course Su-35BM has IR tracking as well. With 12-14 missiles with a diversity of seeker heads, it is a very difficult opponent. A great upload.
It outperforms the Su-35 robustly in RCS as you rightly pointed out. Other than that the Raptor is capable of supercruise and has very good supersonic energy bleed characteristics in a turn. The trans-sonic optimized Su-35 is not as efficient in this regime. The upcoming Sukhoi PAK-FA would at least equal the F-22 across the board though.
The PAK-FA is still in testing and if its projected capabilities are reliable, I agree that it will robustly outperform the F-22 in cardinal parameters
Russians make amazing fighters. This has been proved multiple times since 1960s. By producing the MiG-25, Soviets managed to overpass Americans in aviation. Th F-4 Phantom turned into useless aircraft. Then Soviets produced Su-27. The next generation of fighters appeared. Till nowadays they continuously upgrade the prototype Su-27. And here we are! The Su-35. The absolute fighter killer! Who would doubt that future generations aircraft produced in Russia would not face success? I mean PAK FA...
@vendetta007mike LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL @ MiG-25 overpassing US aviation. Omg the F-4 Phantom useless? LoL again at the PAK-FA. Omg man stop im gona piss my pants.
@vendetta007mike Look man i dont care if you bad mouth the West. Just please state facts or something. All you said was this is shit thats better. Anyone can say what you said even without any aviation knowledge. Your speaking like the MiG-25 is the equal of the F-15 or something. Are you for real dude? Takes a country the size of Russia to turn the Foxbat around in combat.
@TuAFFalcon Operation desert storm.. Cmdr Scott Speicher in his F/A-18 was shot down by an R-27 fired by a MiG-25. The hornet is the replacement for the F-14 which is the replacement for the F-4. An Iraqi MiG-25 fired on 2 bombers, then was intercepted by 4 F-15s, which we're accompanied by F-16s, over 20 AA missiles were fired, the MiG escaped unscathed. same war, a USAF casualty was infilced by a -25 when it lead an unfriendly into AAA and SAM fire
@sukhoisown Correct me if im wrong but didnt the Iraqi Air Force get owned? Russian aircraft won 1 fight out of 1000. Ye those are some good odds man. You made a whole story out of it.
@TuAFFalcon correct me if im wrong, but in iraq was there ANY fight where the Iraqis actually had numbers on their side? Like I mean fair 1v1s or 2v2s... rather than 6v2?
@sukhoisown If you want fairness watch the olimpics man even there they take roids. This is war nothings fair. Your in it for the win not to make new friends and parade.
@TuAFFalcon we're talking about whos the better plane.. therefore we'd need a fair test. In pearl harbor, everyone took a THRASHING from the Japanese... tho that doesn't mean that the planes that got a thrashing we're necessarily worse than that of the Japs
@TuAFFalcon Iraqis were dumb asses , they had the poorest tactical planning and pilot training , even then one F-18 was downed by a Mig-25 foxbat , that same type of plane on multiple occasions evaded F-15 missiles , at one point a Mig-25 was being chased by 16 or so F-15s and evaded every single missile , it wasn't technological inferiority it was the people who didn't know how to use what they had , also they were outnumbered
@Elfulcrum777 The MiG-25 had good qualities to it however the F-15C was much superior man make any list you want from any credible website. Yes i agree with you on the inferior training of the Iraqi pilots however they were still combat experienced from the Iran-Iraq wars, the US pilots were not. But of course they were still no were near the level of a well trained pilot.
@TuAFFalcon But still they had no combat experience but had superior training , The Iraqis on the other hand had combat experience but against a foe which had just as poor training as they did
@TuAFFalcon Exactly with their terrible training its not the technology its the pilot , and besides look at it this way , say an F-22 were to go head to head with a MIg-29SMT guns only a little mismatch i know , but say the F-22 pilot was a rookie and the MiG pilot was an Ace despite the F-22 being more advanced if the pilot sucks it means nothing , same thing with the Iraqis they could have fought back the attack , but were to poorly trained to do it
@TuAFFalcon exactly , it wasn't the technology and a good example of man over machine is the Falklands war , Argentine A4 skyhawks managed to sink 4 or 5 (cant remember) modern British battle ships and damaged the HMS invincible remember these were 60s Era planes against ships armed with SAMS and high tech AA cannons not an easy mark but they did it , they lost the war , but they put up a hell of a fight , the Arabs on the other hand not so much
@sukhoisown the flight of F/A-18s with Cmdr Scott Speicher were flying into iraq on a bombing mission and a Hornet pilot saw a flash didnt know what it was until he got back to the carrier and found out "Spike" didnt return or go to a diversion base. key words "didnt know what it was" which could only mean that the MiG shooting down a hornet was a cheap shot. the MiG-25 is capable of outrunning A-A missiles Sidewinders and Sparrows. AMRAAMs didnt arrive until after the war
@sukhoisown F-14's were replaced by F-18 Super Hornets which are much better than the older F-18C Hornets which you are talking about..the Mig-25 was fast but it had a turning rate the Size of Russia.it wasnt pretty in a dogfight.The F-15's downed a few Mig-25's.Speed is groovy,but Speed combined with Agility & Firepower such as what the F-15 had,is as good as it gets apart from having stealth.
maybe, but the planes in the MRCA are hardly old. JAS-39, Rafale, MiG-35 are nice planes... though ur right that the Su-35 is better.
I think that is cuz the IAF already has a heavy fighter; the Su-30MKI which is the most deadly and potent flanker to date.
So the IAF needs a medium combat aircraft - the Su-35 is not i guess. The MiG-35 is more than a match for the Pakistani Airforce and virtually any other 4th gen in the sky, so i guess its a good alternative... if not a bit expensive
Dude Su-35 AESA radar the IRBIS-E can't track F-22 Raptor. There is not evidence the IRBIS-E could track stealth aircraft. Also Su-35 can't jammed AIM-9X. If you tried to fire chaff or flares the AIM-9X could avoid it. The pilot flied F-22 used JHMCS. The pilot could turn his head anywhere without had to turn aircraft nose then fire missiles. Su-35 can't dodge AIM-120D AMRAAM. AIM-120D is GPS guided to hit its target. The AIM-120D maybe upgraded to FMRAAM.
true enough. but there is no proof that the IRBIS-E cannot track an F-22.
In the same way, AA-11s (R-73) are not fooled by flares, AA-10 and AA-12 are not fooled by chaff respectively, it is proven. Don't forget that Helmet mounted sight was incorporated on Sukhois as well. Also AA-12 has twice the speed of an AIM-120D. True enough u are right in some of your aspects.
the AIM-120 and the R-77 travel about the same speed, and the D model has a range of about 130 miles(209km)...still I think the AMRAAM is junk and should be scrapped, if the pentagon wants their missiles to be able to keep pace with Russia's missiles they're going to need to develop a TRUE long-range missile from scratch instead of just adjusting the AMRAAM 's design - just my thoughts, great english BTW :)
Russians had the JHMCS display since Mig 29(Luftwaffe pwned you at a daily basis) while you achieved it only in 2002 genious.
In the same manner the R-77 is faster has more range and better manuverability than the amraam + it can pull turns up to 12G's ( There is no manned fighter that can pull more than 9 )
Besides raptor got canceled so why the dissagreement? =)
Russian's and Americans both employed helmet-mounted cuing systems in the 80's, and there's no solid info available as to whom deployed theirs first. Secondly the R-77 and the AMRAAM travel at the same speed(about Mach 4)and now they have virtually the same range(since the D model replaced all previous models early this year)...the Raptor was only canceled because they couldn't justify the cost of the plane since there's simply no one that can(currently)compete with the Raptor...nice try though
Although, the AIM-120D is equivalent to the R-77, i have to agree with Yes4HumanRace. The MiG-29 has it first. But I have to differ to the G thing that he said, there are occasions where fighters have pulled Gs way over their limit such as the incident where a MiG-25 (max G is 2.8) managed to pull 11.5Gs though it heavily damaged the aircraft. An F-15 in Iraq pulled 12Gs, Sukhoi Su-27 Flankers (and derivatives) have also done this.
The J-XX, MCA, PAK FA T-50, FGFA and ATD-X, all rival the F-22
Well then I should have been more specific: nothing "currently" in existence...The PAK FA, of course, is the one that's closest to being put into production though...when I was talking about helmet-mounted cuing systems I was referring to it in general(in any aircraft), the AH-64 Apache used it in the early 80's, and it was tested in the 70's...
yea look on wikipedia, type in HMD and go to history,
in the last paragraph it sayd that "The first successful non-Soviet HMD was with the israeli air force" that would imply that the 1st sucessful HMDs were Soviet... i dunno
wtf... lots of armchair generals arround here argueing about who beats who and djeaba djeaba.What you fail to understand is that different countries have different needs in warfare.Lets take for example the U.S.A,they need planes like F-22 Raptor because they may have to fight against powerfull foes one day,but countries from africa or asia dont need such expensive gear to establish superiority in regional wars so they buy these slightly inferior but still great warbirds from Russia at 1/10price
...but countries from africa or asia dont need such expensive gear to establish superiority in regional wars so they buy these slightly inferior but still great warbirds from Russia at 1/10 price.
You're on the right track. A most probable possibility. The Su-35BM Flanker-E is the next best fighter after the Raptor (thanks to the Obey Amendment), at less than half the flyaway price but sacrificing the all-aspect stealth.
Just curious why you think the Su 35 BM is a better fighter than the EF, especially if they update it w/ AESA? I would agree that in a slow turn and burn dogfight that the Su would have the advantage, but at higher speeds the EF s/b able to out turn its foe.
Indra Dhuanseh, the pilots on both sides agreed that the Su-30MKI was superior however the Indian pilots were impressed with the EF-2000. Since the BM is a later model (though not really tested yet) we can assume that it could beat or equal the MKI. The IRBIS E is supposed to be better than the APG-77 which beats the CAPTOR. you can read it on most websites
I did a Google search of "Indra Dhuanseh" but couldn't find anything about ""the pilots on both sides agreed that the Su-30MKI was superior " Do you have a link that you can share? Thanks.
Thanks for the link. Ffor future reference I learned that you only need to put a space after each period, or you can send the unedited version of the link by PM. Take care.
ANd that is why they have capped F-22 procurement to 187 jets? This aircraft is better than any American or European aircraft out there including the F-35 JSF, except the F-22. Please consider that the US allies in the pac rim are especially concerned about the deployment of large numbers of advanced flankers in the region.
What's the big deal about this bird? The F14 , which is now retired, had comparable features when engaging targets :"A maximum of 24 targets can be tracked simultaneously, and six can be engaged in TWS mode up to around 60 miles (100 km). Pulse-only STT mode has a maximum range of around 96 statute miles (150 km). The maximum search range can exceed 120 statute miles (190 km) and even a fighter can be locked onto at around 72 - 90 statute miles (120140 km). "
Hi Sukhoiown, dont waste ur time to reply useless US "F" serious shit metal lovers. I US never beat Mig 21 even for next 50 yrs. if we upgrade Migs with latest avionics, MMR etc., they dont know the old metals power... so be happy that ur doing proud Indian. Jaihind.. (attn US shit metal lovrs. US will never transfr technlgy to maintain that dipshit metals to u)
See, when we talk about the manuverbility and dogfight then Mig and Sukois are the best in the world; it has its own Great History., but non of the F series US fighters will not stand for long time at stability in dogfight; rerer to the US-IAF joint AF excersie; Indian pilots locked US fighters in that game many times as US itself agreed that;; now tell me what u need????
Migs have been shown to be very manuevealbe especially at lower speeds. That's why US pilots try to avoid turning wars and keep their energy up by doing rolls when in pursuit. In the most recent Red Flag exercises F15's did very well against the Su30MKI's in 1v1. In fact after 3 days the Indians didn't want to have those engagments any more.
Nevertheless, dogfights are happening less frequently. Even in the Gulf Wars two thirds of the kills were at BVR, which is where the F22 really excells.
I would also like to add that US pilots have done well in dogfights. In Iraq, Serbia F15's and 16's were dominant, even at WVR. Vietnam the kill ratio was at it's lowest but it was still in the positive.
Your right. That's how in WWII, Korea, and Nam the US prevailed. In the war in Serbia there was a WVR engagment betweeen an F-15 and a mig-29 that was a turning war. The advantage was so slight to the the Mig 29 that they both went in in circles all the way to the deck b4 the Mig had to pull out first. The mig died.
Nice comment. I recall an interview with an US pilot that said that on average todays dogfights average Mach 1.2.
Another factor is that planes today don't necessarily need to turn inside the other. With today's high off boresight missiles and HMS it's not necessary to get on the opponents six to get a kill.
I think I understand what you mean. If you're referring to turning into the missile that has been at times successful in the past. It takes great timing otherwise you're dead. The problem is that many missiles today have vectored thrust, which permits them to turn at much greater angles and pull many more g's than they used to.
I guess ur right. But still, supermanoeuvrability still has its advantages, otherwise why don't they just make all planes like the Tu-160 or the XB-70.
Ur right that manoeuvrability is less useful now but still, the missile is travelling at mach 2-4 while ur at mach 0.4. U can take more Gs than the missile (I'm not sure though) so u have a good chance of evasion with a yoyo or a immellan if the missile is a radar guided or a cobra if its IR. Flares can fool some missiles then u can maneuver away
I don't know. I think a missile can pull more g's than an a/c. "Such weapons will be capable of sustaining 60 to 90 G in the endgame, and will be resistant to most
countermeasures, ...."
ausairpower. net/DT-AAM-Evolution-March-2009. pdf
Also i remember that the radars can only see you if ur at a 60 degree angle from the nose. since they'd require AWE&CS to see 360 degrees and sometimes the AWE&CS can get shot down.
But don't get me wrong ur perfectly right, I'm just saying that its better to be able to launch a few flares and then turn away then to just hope that it won't hit you. manoeuvrability gives you the chance to escape. lol
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and BTW... IDIOT! EVERYONE BEATS F-16'S AND f-15's @ Redflag INCLUDING the USAF's own F-16's and 15's THEIR CALLED AGRESSOR SQUADRONS....When you do your job right , you defeat F-15's and 16's flying RUSSIAN TACTICS
Dude. Understand this. The F-15 is for gay people!!
The Sukhoi 35 will own it. It can detect the F-22 at 100 km. It is armed with AA-11 that cannot be dodged. Carries AA-10Ds that move at 2x the speed of a stupid AIM-120D
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Yeah, right. At no time in history has Soviet/Russian made planes dominate U.S. made planes. Flaming Suckoys will light up the sky, as they fall to Earth to crash and burn.
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"Ayayayayay
Lord help me, that's cause the USA pilots were trained against MiGs"
Dude, back in the early eighties over the Gulf of Sidra, F-14's shot down 2 Libyan Sukhoi's. That's just off the top of my head without researching. I got a funny feeling that if I research further, there may be more, especially from Israeli pilots flying American planes.
But if you remember in the Gulf war a MiG 25 shot down an F/A 18. and in some other war a F-117 was shot down by a AA-11 missile, that was carried only by MiGs
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Dude, the Su-33, which is a carrier modified Su-27, has no combat record. YOU, are talking out of your ass now.
And when talking about the Sukhoi's combat recored, don't forget to include the KAL007, Boeing 747, that was shot down by an SU-22 back in the early eighties.
And idiot, a crop duster can do a cobra manouver, so what?
No F-15 has ever been shot down in aerial combat, but the F-15 has shot down well over a hundred enemy planes.
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You are smoking BATSHIT, No nighthawk was downed by a Mig.. There is a littile known asset called AWACS and the second any MIG puts his wheels up , he soon impacts the ground because he's been blown out of the sky BY AN AMERICAN AIRCRAFT
Airborne Early Warning and Countermeasure Systems thats AEWACS. It is a very well known system. A MiG-25 has snot down an F/A-18. An AEWACS is easily countered by a sophisticated AG Radar.
American Aircraft suck shit. MiGs and Sukhois would whoop their asses anyday.
Plus if you 2 retards hate Russian weapons so much, why do you watch my vid.
Your the idiot. Big fucking deal if one F18 got shot down. F teen fighters have shot down many more migs than visa versa. The mig 29 is crap. It can barely get 2000 flight hours. COmpare that to F15's and 16 that are getting over 6000. U talk shit.
And, yes, nore than a handful of mig 29's have been shot down. by F15's. I watch your vid becauseyou are a LIAR
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The USAF/Lockheed has been banned by Congress from selling the F-22.. WHY WOULD THEY DEMONSTRATE IT TO SUKHOI, esp when anyone witha brain knows that the F-22 would eat ANY Sukhoi for a mid-morning snack
F-15 is a great aircraft, but it's not a great choice against even a modern Typhoon. This aircraft is for me one of the convincent demonstrations of the quality of american aircraft with the F-14 too. But they are a superior choice if you're attacking against a Mig-21 or even an old Su-27. The Su-35 is a new fighter level and the only fighter in the world that is significant is the good F-22, and even with this, we never have seen a real situation.
the old and outdated F-15c was whooped in the red flag 2008 by the sukhoi su-30MKI.
The stupid eagle divers and their F-16 wing left the dogfight with their tails between their legs dude. Probably laughed out of the room by the Sukhoi and Rafale pilots. lol.
The F22 declined a challenge from the Sukhoi OKB design bureau. The F22 against the Sukhoi Su-37. The F22 left cowardly. If they are the best... they could have thrashed the sukhoi before we knew it... yet they backed off, wonder why???
1) F-15c won 13 of 15 1v1 at red flag 2008. IAF actually stopped after the 3rd day of a 5 day excercise. Was a glorious victory for the F-15c knowing a 30 yr. old US plane beat russia best plane. ;)
2) F-15 did not fight against the shitty SU's but aling side of the su's in the agressor squadron. ;)
3) SU-37 was a technology demonstrator. It does not carry any combat avionics, or internal cannon. No challenge was ever made.
Russia planes are old out dated. F-22 is far superior... ;)
There is no 1 victory, the blue squad won most of the engagements. The MKI, Rafale and F-15Ks were on blue and the F-15c and the F-16s were on blue.
The Sukhoi 30 MKI's new ASEA radar; the Irbis E can detect the F22.
BTW there was a challenge from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, smewhere on the news
Also, this dude called colonel fornoff who was saying that the IAF pilots lacked experience, said that the MKI can defeat F-15s, even experienced pilots.
"When these IAF jocks get some more experience they should be able to defeat F-15s with even the most experienced pilots on a regular basis. But judging by these pilots' experience, they can't beat the F-15s."
The MKIs were tasked against the F-15cs the Rafales were against the F-16s and the F-15Ks were ground attack. Blue squad won, = MKI whooped the F-15s.
We were outnumbered BTW, incl red SAMs. Stupid F-15c crap
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First off shitkoi, The F-15 blue prints were submitted in 1969.. secondly, the first Eagle rolled out of St.Louis in 1972.. Thirdly, why in the heck would the USAF accept such a rediculous and utterly stupid challenge of flying/demonstrating the F-22 infront a bunch of Sukhoi designers? are you that stupid and nieve to believe that the USAF would do that? Typical bluffing from typical Russians. He knew the USAF would never do such a thing (thank God for him because the raptor would eat that Su)
This is a very "spotty" video. =p
damianfloyd1129 1 month ago
The best, Sukhoi 35, undefeatable...
kaiseralcor 3 months ago
LoL.., love the argument at the top
I am an Australian and we're not all so ignorant., Russian technology was always more advanced and I absolutely love the Mig and the Sukhoi's
The F22 is spacejunk if it ever confronts a Sukhoi
mysty0 3 months ago
Simply, The best in the world
MrSage334 4 months ago
forget stealth....its a whack technology....doesn't really work in a real world...just ask pierre sprey (creator of the f-16 / A10)
farizshj 4 months ago
I fly this plane for Russia
Cerberus957 10 months ago
@Cerberus957 In your channel it says you fly Tu-154s
gtamodman122 9 months ago
@Cerberus957 I use to fly Tu-154, but I went to the Air Force
Cerberus957 9 months ago
splendido aereo, bel video anche se la qualità delle immagini potrebbe essere migliore, e musica stupenda!!! complimenti...
gppctp 10 months ago
Lulz, gotta love propaganda. The fact of the matter is if you're Russian, the Sukhoi is the best fighter in the world. If you're American, the Raptor is the best fighter in the world. Its all perspective at this point since they've never actually been in combat against each other (that we know of). And if either side tries to use simulations as some sort of "proof" of superiority its all biased bullshit since both sides say their fighter would win and you cant simulate a pilots skill.
BlakenBits 11 months ago
@BlakenBits Really i think all this stuff is pointless,Each side taunts each others fighters even though neither have seen or been in combat.But all that matters is when the F-22 and SU-35 meet in the skies then the victor will rise between the two.
1bearcatf8f 11 months ago
aahahahahahahahahahaha detect the F-22? LMFAO!
Juantonomobay 1 year ago
sukhoi rules!
SPARTANsenator7 1 year ago
it is best the world
su37k 1 year ago
aww that plane is cute, It might actually match the capability of the f-15, sorry russia, you're a little late
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@gypsykingg this planes cute... and the F-22 is a comedy show with wings... it might actually match the capabilities of the MiG-29, sorry USA u guys ain't funny ;)
sukhoisown 1 year ago 20
@sukhoisown Funny how ever time the US has had engagements with russian aircraft, it has been no contest with the US pilots. In the gulf war US pilots were going up against iraqi pilots with countless combat hours and shot them out of the sky and they were so scared they refused to fly. And while russia is developing these jets to do these impractical maneuvers, all the US pilots have to do it turn their head and fire with the JHMCS. Russia is shit, so is there "good" cold war technology, haha
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@sukhoisown and seeing that no sukhoi has BVR they will all be shot down before they know what hit them, and also seeing that there is only 5 su-35's because russia is too poor to build a cheap toy called a fighter, they could never win a war. the radar on this plane is only good up to 150 nmi, f-22 is good up to 250 nmi, and with a RCS the size of a marble, it doesn't matter how close you are, the radar will never see it.
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@gypsykingg Interesting... last time i checked the R-27, the R-33, the R-37 and the R-77 are BVR missiles. the F-22 doesn't even have rear radars... so while its running away it won't even see whats coming at it. The T-50 Su-PAKFA is built on the concept of BVR warfare. Its not like the US AIM-120D can even catch a Su-35BM as it has jammers for this and is far too maneuverable.
sukhoisown 1 year ago 3
@sukhoisown funny how all of those were designed in the 80's and have terrible RADAR tracking. No fighter has rear facing RADAR, and the f-22 has more advanced radar jamming equipment than any sukhoi. I understand that this is your first BVR fighter, but it's not the US first. and all those pretty aerobatics you see in a demo, are useless in combat, doing those will get you shot down in a second.
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@sukhoisown also to help with the raptors incredible BVR is the AWACS. it can lock on a target from hundreds of miles away, fire and the sukhoi wont even know its locked until the last few seconds when the missiles RADAR becomes activated.It's obvious you get all your information from wiki and youtube because you don't have the slightest clue on how engagements work.
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@gypsykingg are u illeterate by any chance? The Russians invented the HMD system, and JHMCS. American planes were told never to engage a MiG unless the numbers were in favor of the americans. doing a cobra creates a thermal vortex throwing off a AIM-9X. radar isn't an abbreviation. the MiG-25 was russia's first BVR fighter, before USA's first. the f-22 isn't armed with advanced jammers. the IRBIS-E is superior to the APG-77. australia trains pilots to combat the rear radar. russia has AEW&CS too
sukhoisown 1 year ago 16
@sukhoisown haha you are ridiculous. Radar stands for RAdio Detection And Ranging dummy. During the gulf war most american pilots were outnumbered and facing opponents that have flown many combat missions and most of the Americans had not. The Americans dominated the sky. Same with the korean war and vietnam war against migs. But it was the SAAF was the first country to create any sort of HMCS. Also doing a cobra just creats a bigger slower moving target for a missile to hit
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@sukhoisown Also the Russians only have one flying Awacs, with terrible range with its Radar. The russian Air force is inferior to the US, And the new PAK FA, what a joke, the US has nearly 30 years of stealth design experience on the Russians. BTW the f22 has multiple jamming systems. It is the most advanced aircraft in the sky today. If the su 35 was so great I don't know why russia would rush to build a brand new fighter.
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@sukhoisown How do you know the F-22 doesnt have jammers most of the jet is still classified. You dont know what kind of avionics are on it all you know is what you read and see.
ShinerROCKS 10 months ago
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GrenMoyo 7 months ago
@sukhoisown
There is no evidence to suggest the AN/APG-77 is inferior to the Irbis-E. Both have around 1,500 transmit/receive modules. It is prudent to note however that the Irbis-E is a passive electronically scanned array not an AESA. Thus, the Raptor's radar is harder to jam. This point is irrelevant as an F-22A has an rcs of -40 dBSM (.0001m^2). while the Su-35S (domestic version of SU-35BM) has an rcs of 2m^2. Even the Pak Fa's rcs is estimated at .01m^2 (source: Air Power Australia)
mangler117 7 months ago
@sukhoisown aim-120d can cath it
nick74178ify 3 months ago
@gypsykingg It's funny that the Americans thinks that the F-22 is the best plane ever, The Eurofighter Typhoon went head to head with the F-22 RAF Vs US Air Force, in 3 trainingtest, after the second test the US Air Force gave up it was completly outmanuvert by the Eurofighter......so i guess the Eurofighter is the only plane that can take down the SU 35... Greetings from Denmark
Kejsermichael 1 month ago
@gypsykingg lol you need to stop suckign your dads dick you dumb american!
DoYouEvenLiftBro 4 weeks ago
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1bearcatf8f 11 months ago
@sukhoisown yup
TheMickyGMan1 9 months ago
@sukhoisown I wouldn't strap this shit on me if it was free. Poorly constructed and cheap. Every American combat jet that you mention out of your nasty mouth has never backed down or dodged anything from the ANTIQUATED, but BARBARIC Russia. The USA and the Israeli Air Forces can't hardly wait to test anything that you send down to IRAN. And we would prefer that your pilots do the flying since it angries your leaders to lose so bad when ever we meet. (smile friend).
bodacious2109 7 months ago
@gypsykingg f-15 u really need to upgrade ur self a MIG 21 can take down ur F-15 and su -29 can take down F16 AND 18 BELIEVE THAT ...
MrAbhishekricky 1 year ago
@MrAbhishekricky ahha are you kidding?? an f-86 has shot down a mig 21. never has an f 16 been shot down by any migs and f16's have multiple kills against mig 29's. the F-15 has never been shot down in air-to-air combat and has plucked many different types of migs out of the sky, including the 21 and 29. you need to update yourself dumbass
gypsykingg 1 year ago
@gypsykingg u are dumbass gypsykinggshit........
MrAbhishekricky 1 year ago
@gypsykingg
s-400 will shoot down anything .........
deadmanshand2010 10 months ago
@deadmanshand2010 well,why not?Soviet/Russian air defence systems are combat-proven machines.If there is something that Russians should be known for,that's their Air Defence systems
gtamodman122 9 months ago
@gtamodman122
I agree .
deadmanshand2010 9 months ago
@gypsykingg -lol
ChuckyDoll10 10 months ago
@gypsykingg ye NO the su-35 is better than the f-22 /watch?v=_VOFdXO929Q
TheMickyGMan1 9 months ago
@gypsykingg its ranked the second best jet in the world so yea. It is hell alot better than the F-15SE.
If I was a air force commander, I would want these fighter on my side. and upgrade them with faster engine and maybe redesign the jet a little. but other than that, this jet is cool!!
Recon071 9 months ago
@gypsykingg it already has tech of 5th generation f-15 no.
DeathSetler 5 months ago
Sukhoi make wonderful aircraft. Eventhough im pro Western (US) aircraft id have to think hard on my purchase of combat aircraft. The Su-35BM is not your dads sukhoi. Its very advanced.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
in greek airforce i hope. SOON
tasosfragos 1 year ago
Australia and other countries probably need to start looking to the East, the F 35 fails in the ass and the F 22 is not up for export.
ausaskar 1 year ago
This kinda makes me wonder what marvel the USA and Russia could make if they worked together instead of against each other.
TheMilitaryTactics 1 year ago
thers alot of shit talk but no war to prove any thing witch in its self renders it useless ....... any way dont you all want peace? ..... let me answer that, fuck no we want to rip each others throats out ... but wen it comes down to it we will never see the day wen the f22 and the su35/47/37s have to dog fight because the countrys they belong to dont have the balls to fight in open war , why ?? ......... Nukes .....and HAARP type wepons and americas partical beam tech .
MRxSM33 1 year ago
For christ's sake do they seriously mean "turbojet"?
killchicken123 1 year ago
the unique adavantage of f-22 than su-35 is the stealth, nothing more
hospitalerknight 2 years ago 2
Russian radar>American stealth
Amateur country pilots with superior Russian aircraft= American target practice
We all know who got the spoils of war from whom after WW2, well this is the result. Two ideologically opposite nations going parallel.
SZ9000 2 years ago
A great video of one of the best aircraft families. The Indian Su-30MKI was the pinnacle till the Su-35BM. The only aircraft that robustly outperforms the 35 is the F-22. Other aircraft including advanced teen, eurocanard and F-35 series are outclassed completely. The Su-35 at long range can out turn an Aim120D and of course Su-35BM has IR tracking as well. With 12-14 missiles with a diversity of seeker heads, it is a very difficult opponent. A great upload.
22slither 2 years ago 2
in what way do you think the F-22 outperforms the Su-35 other then having a lower RCS?
Suyamu 2 years ago 5
@Suyamu
It outperforms the Su-35 robustly in RCS as you rightly pointed out. Other than that the Raptor is capable of supercruise and has very good supersonic energy bleed characteristics in a turn. The trans-sonic optimized Su-35 is not as efficient in this regime. The upcoming Sukhoi PAK-FA would at least equal the F-22 across the board though.
22slither 2 years ago
New Su-35 models supposedly are able to supercruise.
Suyamu 2 years ago
Suyamu is correct, the new flankers have the albility to supercruise.
sukhoisown 2 years ago
@22slither Oh at least! Oh Brother!
sakoshooter48 1 year ago
@sakoshooter48 I personally think that the PAKFA outperforms the F-22, at least by 22slither was an understatement
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@sukhoisown
The PAK-FA is still in testing and if its projected capabilities are reliable, I agree that it will robustly outperform the F-22 in cardinal parameters
22slither 1 year ago
@22slither this is true
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@22slither A US 4++ fighter has a lower frontal RCS
1990PatMorrison 1 year ago
@1990PatMorrison which 4++ gen fighter? is it a concept or in production
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@sukhoisown F-15SE in development for export
1990PatMorrison 1 year ago
@22slither and russian gear is much more cheaper
Eclipsepoland 1 year ago
Russians make amazing fighters. This has been proved multiple times since 1960s. By producing the MiG-25, Soviets managed to overpass Americans in aviation. Th F-4 Phantom turned into useless aircraft. Then Soviets produced Su-27. The next generation of fighters appeared. Till nowadays they continuously upgrade the prototype Su-27. And here we are! The Su-35. The absolute fighter killer! Who would doubt that future generations aircraft produced in Russia would not face success? I mean PAK FA...
vendetta007mike 2 years ago 11
I agree 100%
sukhoisown 2 years ago
@vendetta007mike LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL @ MiG-25 overpassing US aviation. Omg the F-4 Phantom useless? LoL again at the PAK-FA. Omg man stop im gona piss my pants.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon Yeah...use your vagina this way.
vendetta007mike 1 year ago
@vendetta007mike Look man i dont care if you bad mouth the West. Just please state facts or something. All you said was this is shit thats better. Anyone can say what you said even without any aviation knowledge. Your speaking like the MiG-25 is the equal of the F-15 or something. Are you for real dude? Takes a country the size of Russia to turn the Foxbat around in combat.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon Operation desert storm.. Cmdr Scott Speicher in his F/A-18 was shot down by an R-27 fired by a MiG-25. The hornet is the replacement for the F-14 which is the replacement for the F-4. An Iraqi MiG-25 fired on 2 bombers, then was intercepted by 4 F-15s, which we're accompanied by F-16s, over 20 AA missiles were fired, the MiG escaped unscathed. same war, a USAF casualty was infilced by a -25 when it lead an unfriendly into AAA and SAM fire
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@sukhoisown Correct me if im wrong but didnt the Iraqi Air Force get owned? Russian aircraft won 1 fight out of 1000. Ye those are some good odds man. You made a whole story out of it.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon correct me if im wrong, but in iraq was there ANY fight where the Iraqis actually had numbers on their side? Like I mean fair 1v1s or 2v2s... rather than 6v2?
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@sukhoisown If you want fairness watch the olimpics man even there they take roids. This is war nothings fair. Your in it for the win not to make new friends and parade.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon we're talking about whos the better plane.. therefore we'd need a fair test. In pearl harbor, everyone took a THRASHING from the Japanese... tho that doesn't mean that the planes that got a thrashing we're necessarily worse than that of the Japs
sukhoisown 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon Iraqis were dumb asses , they had the poorest tactical planning and pilot training , even then one F-18 was downed by a Mig-25 foxbat , that same type of plane on multiple occasions evaded F-15 missiles , at one point a Mig-25 was being chased by 16 or so F-15s and evaded every single missile , it wasn't technological inferiority it was the people who didn't know how to use what they had , also they were outnumbered
Elfulcrum777 1 year ago
@Elfulcrum777 The MiG-25 had good qualities to it however the F-15C was much superior man make any list you want from any credible website. Yes i agree with you on the inferior training of the Iraqi pilots however they were still combat experienced from the Iran-Iraq wars, the US pilots were not. But of course they were still no were near the level of a well trained pilot.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon But still they had no combat experience but had superior training , The Iraqis on the other hand had combat experience but against a foe which had just as poor training as they did
Elfulcrum777 1 year ago
@Elfulcrum777 Ye the Iranian Air Force training would be terrible compared with Western training.
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon Exactly with their terrible training its not the technology its the pilot , and besides look at it this way , say an F-22 were to go head to head with a MIg-29SMT guns only a little mismatch i know , but say the F-22 pilot was a rookie and the MiG pilot was an Ace despite the F-22 being more advanced if the pilot sucks it means nothing , same thing with the Iraqis they could have fought back the attack , but were to poorly trained to do it
Elfulcrum777 1 year ago
@Elfulcrum777 Its the same with their tank crews. Terrible training. Got owned...
TuAFFalcon 1 year ago
@TuAFFalcon exactly , it wasn't the technology and a good example of man over machine is the Falklands war , Argentine A4 skyhawks managed to sink 4 or 5 (cant remember) modern British battle ships and damaged the HMS invincible remember these were 60s Era planes against ships armed with SAMS and high tech AA cannons not an easy mark but they did it , they lost the war , but they put up a hell of a fight , the Arabs on the other hand not so much
Elfulcrum777 1 year ago
@sukhoisown the flight of F/A-18s with Cmdr Scott Speicher were flying into iraq on a bombing mission and a Hornet pilot saw a flash didnt know what it was until he got back to the carrier and found out "Spike" didnt return or go to a diversion base. key words "didnt know what it was" which could only mean that the MiG shooting down a hornet was a cheap shot. the MiG-25 is capable of outrunning A-A missiles Sidewinders and Sparrows. AMRAAMs didnt arrive until after the war
BRIANROX1 1 year ago
@sukhoisown the Hornet is a navy jet not air force.
BRIANROX1 1 year ago
@sukhoisown F-14's were replaced by F-18 Super Hornets which are much better than the older F-18C Hornets which you are talking about..the Mig-25 was fast but it had a turning rate the Size of Russia.it wasnt pretty in a dogfight.The F-15's downed a few Mig-25's.Speed is groovy,but Speed combined with Agility & Firepower such as what the F-15 had,is as good as it gets apart from having stealth.
f39eagle2 1 year ago
@vendetta007mike if by amazing you mean getting shot down then yes you are most indeed correct.
gypsykingg 1 year ago
Indian Air force should acquire 200 Su 35s than those other old relics in its MRCA deal.
vedg007 2 years ago
maybe, but the planes in the MRCA are hardly old. JAS-39, Rafale, MiG-35 are nice planes... though ur right that the Su-35 is better.
I think that is cuz the IAF already has a heavy fighter; the Su-30MKI which is the most deadly and potent flanker to date.
So the IAF needs a medium combat aircraft - the Su-35 is not i guess. The MiG-35 is more than a match for the Pakistani Airforce and virtually any other 4th gen in the sky, so i guess its a good alternative... if not a bit expensive
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Dude Su-35 AESA radar the IRBIS-E can't track F-22 Raptor. There is not evidence the IRBIS-E could track stealth aircraft. Also Su-35 can't jammed AIM-9X. If you tried to fire chaff or flares the AIM-9X could avoid it. The pilot flied F-22 used JHMCS. The pilot could turn his head anywhere without had to turn aircraft nose then fire missiles. Su-35 can't dodge AIM-120D AMRAAM. AIM-120D is GPS guided to hit its target. The AIM-120D maybe upgraded to FMRAAM.
USAAIRPOWER 2 years ago
true enough. but there is no proof that the IRBIS-E cannot track an F-22.
In the same way, AA-11s (R-73) are not fooled by flares, AA-10 and AA-12 are not fooled by chaff respectively, it is proven. Don't forget that Helmet mounted sight was incorporated on Sukhois as well. Also AA-12 has twice the speed of an AIM-120D. True enough u are right in some of your aspects.
sukhoisown 2 years ago
but also isnt india and russia joining together in making another one , which is equal to the F22 raptor
kunalchanna 2 years ago
that is true... that fighter is called the Sukhoi OKB/HAL PAKFA.
sukhoisown 2 years ago
the AIM-120 and the R-77 travel about the same speed, and the D model has a range of about 130 miles(209km)...still I think the AMRAAM is junk and should be scrapped, if the pentagon wants their missiles to be able to keep pace with Russia's missiles they're going to need to develop a TRUE long-range missile from scratch instead of just adjusting the AMRAAM 's design - just my thoughts, great english BTW :)
tommytmt 2 years ago
Wow pal that was some solid arguments !
Russians had the JHMCS display since Mig 29(Luftwaffe pwned you at a daily basis) while you achieved it only in 2002 genious.
In the same manner the R-77 is faster has more range and better manuverability than the amraam + it can pull turns up to 12G's ( There is no manned fighter that can pull more than 9 )
Besides raptor got canceled so why the dissagreement? =)
Yes4HumanRace 2 years ago
Russian's and Americans both employed helmet-mounted cuing systems in the 80's, and there's no solid info available as to whom deployed theirs first. Secondly the R-77 and the AMRAAM travel at the same speed(about Mach 4)and now they have virtually the same range(since the D model replaced all previous models early this year)...the Raptor was only canceled because they couldn't justify the cost of the plane since there's simply no one that can(currently)compete with the Raptor...nice try though
tommytmt 2 years ago
Although, the AIM-120D is equivalent to the R-77, i have to agree with Yes4HumanRace. The MiG-29 has it first. But I have to differ to the G thing that he said, there are occasions where fighters have pulled Gs way over their limit such as the incident where a MiG-25 (max G is 2.8) managed to pull 11.5Gs though it heavily damaged the aircraft. An F-15 in Iraq pulled 12Gs, Sukhoi Su-27 Flankers (and derivatives) have also done this.
The J-XX, MCA, PAK FA T-50, FGFA and ATD-X, all rival the F-22
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Well then I should have been more specific: nothing "currently" in existence...The PAK FA, of course, is the one that's closest to being put into production though...when I was talking about helmet-mounted cuing systems I was referring to it in general(in any aircraft), the AH-64 Apache used it in the early 80's, and it was tested in the 70's...
tommytmt 2 years ago
yea look on wikipedia, type in HMD and go to history,
in the last paragraph it sayd that "The first successful non-Soviet HMD was with the israeli air force" that would imply that the 1st sucessful HMDs were Soviet... i dunno
sukhoisown 2 years ago
wtf... lots of armchair generals arround here argueing about who beats who and djeaba djeaba.What you fail to understand is that different countries have different needs in warfare.Lets take for example the U.S.A,they need planes like F-22 Raptor because they may have to fight against powerfull foes one day,but countries from africa or asia dont need such expensive gear to establish superiority in regional wars so they buy these slightly inferior but still great warbirds from Russia at 1/10price
tanasexu 2 years ago
...but countries from africa or asia dont need such expensive gear to establish superiority in regional wars so they buy these slightly inferior but still great warbirds from Russia at 1/10 price.
You're on the right track. A most probable possibility. The Su-35BM Flanker-E is the next best fighter after the Raptor (thanks to the Obey Amendment), at less than half the flyaway price but sacrificing the all-aspect stealth.
ironfalcon100 2 years ago
Just curious why you think the Su 35 BM is a better fighter than the EF, especially if they update it w/ AESA? I would agree that in a slow turn and burn dogfight that the Su would have the advantage, but at higher speeds the EF s/b able to out turn its foe.
asusucks 2 years ago
Indra Dhuanseh, the pilots on both sides agreed that the Su-30MKI was superior however the Indian pilots were impressed with the EF-2000. Since the BM is a later model (though not really tested yet) we can assume that it could beat or equal the MKI. The IRBIS E is supposed to be better than the APG-77 which beats the CAPTOR. you can read it on most websites
sukhoisown 2 years ago
I did a Google search of "Indra Dhuanseh" but couldn't find anything about ""the pilots on both sides agreed that the Su-30MKI was superior " Do you have a link that you can share? Thanks.
asusucks 2 years ago
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There, i spelt the name wrong read this article (take out the spaces in the URL. they didn't let me post a link so i had to put in the spaces)
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Thanks for the link. Ffor future reference I learned that you only need to put a space after each period, or you can send the unedited version of the link by PM. Take care.
asusucks 2 years ago
@tanasexu
ANd that is why they have capped F-22 procurement to 187 jets? This aircraft is better than any American or European aircraft out there including the F-35 JSF, except the F-22. Please consider that the US allies in the pac rim are especially concerned about the deployment of large numbers of advanced flankers in the region.
22slither 2 years ago
F-22 Raptor eats suhkois for lunch
topnotchgene 2 years ago
Thanx ! ! ! =)
TMZlifestyle 2 years ago
Does the su-47 have a better performance?
TMZlifestyle 2 years ago
yep. but the radar on this baby is much more powerful and can't as of now be integrated on the Su-47.
the 47 is faster, more maneuverable but in general the avionics are better aboard the 35BM
sukhoisown 2 years ago
The Irbis-E radar set may surpass the APG-77(V1&2) in maximum detection range and gain parity in processing power and simultaneous target engagement.
ironfalcon100 2 years ago
I do belive this is the best no-stealth aircraft of the world.
ASHRAM2800 2 years ago
agree 100%
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Best Gen 4.5 fighter in the world, in my opinion.
ironfalcon100 2 years ago
Nureyev of the skies
BillyVax 2 years ago
What's the big deal about this bird? The F14 , which is now retired, had comparable features when engaging targets :"A maximum of 24 targets can be tracked simultaneously, and six can be engaged in TWS mode up to around 60 miles (100 km). Pulse-only STT mode has a maximum range of around 96 statute miles (150 km). The maximum search range can exceed 120 statute miles (190 km) and even a fighter can be locked onto at around 72 - 90 statute miles (120140 km). "
asusucks 2 years ago
And you have no way to prove one's superiority, because there are no winners)
SuperZveruga 2 years ago
Great video,loved the song!
RiseOfShadowEmpire 2 years ago
thanks its called Roll Tide from the Movie Crimson Tide
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Hi Sukhoiown, dont waste ur time to reply useless US "F" serious shit metal lovers. I US never beat Mig 21 even for next 50 yrs. if we upgrade Migs with latest avionics, MMR etc., they dont know the old metals power... so be happy that ur doing proud Indian. Jaihind.. (attn US shit metal lovrs. US will never transfr technlgy to maintain that dipshit metals to u)
opsbalajin 2 years ago
thanks
sukhoisown 2 years ago
LOL, the US doesn't have to shoot down Mig 21's, they fall out of the sky by themselves. Why else would your country call them the flying coffins.
asusucks 2 years ago
See, when we talk about the manuverbility and dogfight then Mig and Sukois are the best in the world; it has its own Great History., but non of the F series US fighters will not stand for long time at stability in dogfight; rerer to the US-IAF joint AF excersie; Indian pilots locked US fighters in that game many times as US itself agreed that;; now tell me what u need????
opsbalajin 2 years ago
Migs have been shown to be very manuevealbe especially at lower speeds. That's why US pilots try to avoid turning wars and keep their energy up by doing rolls when in pursuit. In the most recent Red Flag exercises F15's did very well against the Su30MKI's in 1v1. In fact after 3 days the Indians didn't want to have those engagments any more.
Nevertheless, dogfights are happening less frequently. Even in the Gulf Wars two thirds of the kills were at BVR, which is where the F22 really excells.
asusucks 2 years ago
I would also like to add that US pilots have done well in dogfights. In Iraq, Serbia F15's and 16's were dominant, even at WVR. Vietnam the kill ratio was at it's lowest but it was still in the positive.
asusucks 2 years ago
But one day, there will again be WVR dogfights as long as manned fighters continue to exist and to roam the skies at will.
That's why US pilots try to avoid turning wars and keep their energy up by doing rolls when in pursuit.
Correct. They know how to use their plane's strengths, where a U.S. fighter can typically turn tighter at higher speeds.
ironfalcon100 2 years ago
Your right. That's how in WWII, Korea, and Nam the US prevailed. In the war in Serbia there was a WVR engagment betweeen an F-15 and a mig-29 that was a turning war. The advantage was so slight to the the Mig 29 that they both went in in circles all the way to the deck b4 the Mig had to pull out first. The mig died.
asusucks 2 years ago
Nice comment. I recall an interview with an US pilot that said that on average todays dogfights average Mach 1.2.
Another factor is that planes today don't necessarily need to turn inside the other. With today's high off boresight missiles and HMS it's not necessary to get on the opponents six to get a kill.
asusucks 2 years ago
But the missile still might miss as the target can move out. If you can turn into the opponent you can pick the missile and gain an upper hand
sukhoisown 2 years ago
I think I understand what you mean. If you're referring to turning into the missile that has been at times successful in the past. It takes great timing otherwise you're dead. The problem is that many missiles today have vectored thrust, which permits them to turn at much greater angles and pull many more g's than they used to.
asusucks 2 years ago
I guess ur right. But still, supermanoeuvrability still has its advantages, otherwise why don't they just make all planes like the Tu-160 or the XB-70.
Ur right that manoeuvrability is less useful now but still, the missile is travelling at mach 2-4 while ur at mach 0.4. U can take more Gs than the missile (I'm not sure though) so u have a good chance of evasion with a yoyo or a immellan if the missile is a radar guided or a cobra if its IR. Flares can fool some missiles then u can maneuver away
sukhoisown 2 years ago
I don't know. I think a missile can pull more g's than an a/c. "Such weapons will be capable of sustaining 60 to 90 G in the endgame, and will be resistant to most
countermeasures, ...."
ausairpower. net/DT-AAM-Evolution-March-2009. pdf
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asusucks 2 years ago
Also i remember that the radars can only see you if ur at a 60 degree angle from the nose. since they'd require AWE&CS to see 360 degrees and sometimes the AWE&CS can get shot down.
But don't get me wrong ur perfectly right, I'm just saying that its better to be able to launch a few flares and then turn away then to just hope that it won't hit you. manoeuvrability gives you the chance to escape. lol
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Just curious, have you seen this?
watch?v=jNie0HzPmaY&feature=channel
asusucks 2 years ago
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and BTW... IDIOT! EVERYONE BEATS F-16'S AND f-15's @ Redflag INCLUDING the USAF's own F-16's and 15's THEIR CALLED AGRESSOR SQUADRONS....When you do your job right , you defeat F-15's and 16's flying RUSSIAN TACTICS
1z1q 2 years ago
Dude. Understand this. The F-15 is for gay people!!
The Sukhoi 35 will own it. It can detect the F-22 at 100 km. It is armed with AA-11 that cannot be dodged. Carries AA-10Ds that move at 2x the speed of a stupid AIM-120D
sukhoisown 2 years ago
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hOOORRRRRAH! You finally can beat the F-15...I dont argue that the Su-35 will beat the F-15..How many 35's are in service? I bet it's less that 50..
1z1q 2 years ago
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Yeah, right. At no time in history has Soviet/Russian made planes dominate U.S. made planes. Flaming Suckoys will light up the sky, as they fall to Earth to crash and burn.
Get serious !
THUD086 2 years ago
Soviet beats USA through the ages...
1940- the Il
1950- the MiG 15
1960- the MiG 21
1970- the MiG 25
1980- the MiG 29
1990- the Su 35
2000- the Su 30 MKI
2010- the MiG 35 and Su 47
sukhoisown 2 years ago
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No stupid, American made planes have shot down more Soviet planes, than Soviet planes have shot down American.
Do your homework, or you will forever remain stupid for the rest of your life.
THUD086 2 years ago
Ayayayayay.
Lord help me, thats cause the USA pilots were trained agaisnt MiGs
sukhoisown 2 years ago
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"Ayayayayay
Lord help me, that's cause the USA pilots were trained against MiGs"
Dude, back in the early eighties over the Gulf of Sidra, F-14's shot down 2 Libyan Sukhoi's. That's just off the top of my head without researching. I got a funny feeling that if I research further, there may be more, especially from Israeli pilots flying American planes.
Research, sukhoisown, research.
Good luck.
THUD086 2 years ago
I know dude.
But if you remember in the Gulf war a MiG 25 shot down an F/A 18. and in some other war a F-117 was shot down by a AA-11 missile, that was carried only by MiGs
sukhoisown 2 years ago
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You're changing the subject. That's a LOSERS trick. We're talking about American planes shooting down Sukhoi's, which they have done, not just MiG's.
THUD086 2 years ago
The Sukhoi 33 or something has seen combat.
5-0, thats good... for a plane thats seen only 5 combats, ur warmonger planes can just keep on attacking, thus you locate the many flaws.
Please, can the F-15 do a cobra, or a kilbut, or dodge a AA-11 or anything that good
sukhoisown 2 years ago
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Dude, the Su-33, which is a carrier modified Su-27, has no combat record. YOU, are talking out of your ass now.
And when talking about the Sukhoi's combat recored, don't forget to include the KAL007, Boeing 747, that was shot down by an SU-22 back in the early eighties.
And idiot, a crop duster can do a cobra manouver, so what?
No F-15 has ever been shot down in aerial combat, but the F-15 has shot down well over a hundred enemy planes.
Boy, you've got some learning to do.
Good-bye !
THUD086 2 years ago
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You are smoking BATSHIT, No nighthawk was downed by a Mig.. There is a littile known asset called AWACS and the second any MIG puts his wheels up , he soon impacts the ground because he's been blown out of the sky BY AN AMERICAN AIRCRAFT
1z1q 2 years ago
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After checking out his bio, it turns out that this is just a young kid, who has very much to learn about the subject. He's been brainwashed.
THUD086 2 years ago
there is.
Airborne Early Warning and Countermeasure Systems thats AEWACS. It is a very well known system. A MiG-25 has snot down an F/A-18. An AEWACS is easily countered by a sophisticated AG Radar.
American Aircraft suck shit. MiGs and Sukhois would whoop their asses anyday.
Plus if you 2 retards hate Russian weapons so much, why do you watch my vid.
idiots
sukhoisown 2 years ago
Your the idiot. Big fucking deal if one F18 got shot down. F teen fighters have shot down many more migs than visa versa. The mig 29 is crap. It can barely get 2000 flight hours. COmpare that to F15's and 16 that are getting over 6000. U talk shit.
And, yes, nore than a handful of mig 29's have been shot down. by F15's. I watch your vid becauseyou are a LIAR
asusucks 2 years ago
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The USAF/Lockheed has been banned by Congress from selling the F-22.. WHY WOULD THEY DEMONSTRATE IT TO SUKHOI, esp when anyone witha brain knows that the F-22 would eat ANY Sukhoi for a mid-morning snack
1z1q 2 years ago
I think that only way to F-15 be a reasonable choice to face more modern and stealth foes would be give right them
be done more stealth,as being tried with
hiding weapons inside the Conformal
Fuel Tanks.
LeoAndRas 2 years ago
F-15 is a great aircraft, but it's not a great choice against even a modern Typhoon. This aircraft is for me one of the convincent demonstrations of the quality of american aircraft with the F-14 too. But they are a superior choice if you're attacking against a Mig-21 or even an old Su-27. The Su-35 is a new fighter level and the only fighter in the world that is significant is the good F-22, and even with this, we never have seen a real situation.
LordWolf2007 2 years ago
lol i got that plane in my backyard =) nah really nice plane bought it for 100 dollars =)
AIeexx 2 years ago
the old and outdated F-15c was whooped in the red flag 2008 by the sukhoi su-30MKI.
The stupid eagle divers and their F-16 wing left the dogfight with their tails between their legs dude. Probably laughed out of the room by the Sukhoi and Rafale pilots. lol.
The F22 declined a challenge from the Sukhoi OKB design bureau. The F22 against the Sukhoi Su-37. The F22 left cowardly. If they are the best... they could have thrashed the sukhoi before we knew it... yet they backed off, wonder why???
sukhoisown 3 years ago
1) F-15c won 13 of 15 1v1 at red flag 2008. IAF actually stopped after the 3rd day of a 5 day excercise. Was a glorious victory for the F-15c knowing a 30 yr. old US plane beat russia best plane. ;)
2) F-15 did not fight against the shitty SU's but aling side of the su's in the agressor squadron. ;)
3) SU-37 was a technology demonstrator. It does not carry any combat avionics, or internal cannon. No challenge was ever made.
Russia planes are old out dated. F-22 is far superior... ;)
Rip1969 3 years ago
Shows how much you know.
There is no 1 victory, the blue squad won most of the engagements. The MKI, Rafale and F-15Ks were on blue and the F-15c and the F-16s were on blue.
The Sukhoi 30 MKI's new ASEA radar; the Irbis E can detect the F22.
BTW there was a challenge from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, smewhere on the news
Also, this dude called colonel fornoff who was saying that the IAF pilots lacked experience, said that the MKI can defeat F-15s, even experienced pilots.
sukhoisown 3 years ago
Well his actual words were...
"When these IAF jocks get some more experience they should be able to defeat F-15s with even the most experienced pilots on a regular basis. But judging by these pilots' experience, they can't beat the F-15s."
The MKIs were tasked against the F-15cs the Rafales were against the F-16s and the F-15Ks were ground attack. Blue squad won, = MKI whooped the F-15s.
We were outnumbered BTW, incl red SAMs. Stupid F-15c crap
sukhoisown 3 years ago
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First off shitkoi, The F-15 blue prints were submitted in 1969.. secondly, the first Eagle rolled out of St.Louis in 1972.. Thirdly, why in the heck would the USAF accept such a rediculous and utterly stupid challenge of flying/demonstrating the F-22 infront a bunch of Sukhoi designers? are you that stupid and nieve to believe that the USAF would do that? Typical bluffing from typical Russians. He knew the USAF would never do such a thing (thank God for him because the raptor would eat that Su)
1z1q 2 years ago