he saw the gold that pompey´s men took from the republic. Pullo wanted to get the girl, but he ended up finding that huge treasure, i just love the expression on his face, he is like... who did just became a rich man??? Titus Pullo!!!
The sad thing is...Starz and HBO cancel all the good shows--Camelot, Rome--and the majority of Americans don't care. Who wants great drama, period pieces when we can have Keeping Up with the Kardashians and Jersey Shore?
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@RomaInvicta1 Most people in Europe have at least some Roman gene if we define Roman as those that lived within the Empire than its obvious that nearly all of Europeans and those that emirgated from Europe have Roman ancestry
@CaptainGrimes1 That may be so but seeing as it would be such a minuscule part of our DNA nobody should brag about it lol... especially as it's just as likely that we have some barbarian settler's genes aswell.
Nevertheless our Roman Heritage, rather than genes, is something we can all be proud of.
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I don't even know why there's this talk of real Romans still living in Italy...It's been almost two thousand years since it has collapsed, in that time there were the barbarians settling in Rome, after, of course, massacring most of Rome's population that was there, then hundreds upon hundreds of years of migrations and mixing. If there is any Roman blood left, it's been mixed to a point of an unnoticeable mut!
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@Danorowski Not to mention that Rome itself has been founded upon migration, for over two-thousand years it has been growing and has been dependent on migrants from Spain, Gaul, Judea, Greece, Carthage (or the field of nothing that was once Carthage), Syria...You get the picture.
Besides the original Romans of the city of Rome.. There are many kinds of Romans through out Europe, and many nations that lay claim to the Roman legacy. The only nation that has a solid connection and continuation to ancient Rome are not the Holy Roman Empire of the Germans, neither the Franks of Charlemagne, but the Byzantine Greeks and their Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium).
@WolfsAngel43 I agree with you 100% and many just don't understand what you said. I wish people stopped looking for the differences of the eastern and western Roman Empires and realized that they were in essence the same. They are incomparable because no one can apply what is and isnt Roman. The reason for this is because the median for whatever is Roman is not clearly defined when speaking from the perspective of either Empires.
@mynoon1999 It would be good to of had some Italians in it as actors - I have been really interested in a crime series called Romanzo Criminal thats about a small narco-firm that tries to take over Rome in the 1970's-1980's that runs into established crime factions - the Italian actors & actresses are really good - it would a salute by HBO to them if they had modern Romans playing Romans but the English cast in this was excellent - are they making any more?
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@infokemp Italian actors are good, but there is really no connection between modern day Italians and the ancient Romans. Italians today are the descendents of Visigoths, Vandels and Huns, not the Romans of old. Well maybe 5% blood line,
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@bob32dt Well to my knowledge of ethnology the Romans like most people of Western & Northern Europe are Nordic-Celtic in origin including the Etruscans & Romans - the Visigoths & Vandels too where Nordic-Celtic but although Romanized in many ways they had a different brand of Christianity to the Romans when they came to dominance - the Asier & Vanir religions of the Scandinavian peoples such as the English-Saxons Almani etc also have a kinship with Roman gods just different names.
@superhornet69 Thanks for posting this to the discussion you really raise the tone of the discussion by pointing out my one letter spelling mistake - I am sure you will go down in history as the greatest Historian the world has ever seen!
Now please go back to living under the rock you peep out of to troll the internet for the attention you crave - you stupid little boy!
@bob32dt The only Asiatic group you mentioned was the Huns - which where a confederation of Germanic-Slavic-Mongolian peoples from North West China who migrated through out the Eurasian land mass. The Romans like all great civilzations of course attracted in many diverse religions & racial groups but the key was they imposed Western rationalism - epicurean & stoic philosophy based on reason & citizenship - sometimes by force but more often through cultural attraction - the good life!
@bob32dt In terms of the ruling families blood lines you are probably right - because the semi-legitimate use of force to support the state & rule of law in the end became - a crime family style enterprise - Sulla was the first since the kings & after the social war; spartacus rebellion, you had the triumvra & Julius Ceaser's epicurean faction came out top - but from then on it was the decline into the chaos of Monarchy (Marcus Aurelius being the exception).
@bob32dt - check out a video called Caesar - de Bello Gallico. Liber Secundus (IV/V) - by ThePrinceStirling its from Julius Caesers books the Gaullic war - it is in Latin but there is an automatic subtitle translation - I will also send you a series on Roman engineering - if you are interested by Yale University - do you know they had an automated system & machine for carving statues as well as double glazed windows - amazing people.
@bob32dt Alot of the Romans moved in the Eastern portions of the Empire (Greece and Asia Minor) where after the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Germanic Barbarians they admixed with the Greeks to continue the Roman Empire (known as the Byzantine Empire), the Romans became Hellenized in language and names, and the Greeks took up the name Romans ( they still call them selves Romans). Historians call them Eastern Romans or Byzantines to distinguish. Alot of Roman blood in Greece today.
@WolfsAngel43 There is also a huge time gap between the eastern and western Roman Empires, which renders any difference obsolete in regards to "being Roman". I often say that comparing the Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire is like comparing 18th century America to 21 century America. This is why, modern Greeks may yet be more "Roman" than modern Italians, Spanish Portuguese Romanians or French.
@bob32dt I wouldnt say only a mere 5% of the Italian genome is Roman, unless you are a geneticist, then my hat goes off to you. But I will agree that very few Roman genes were passed down to Italians in comparison to Germanic and Northern African. Lets not forget that 1/3 of Roman Italy were slaves of which the majority were from all corners of the Empire. The ethnicity of Italians is a mix of a this cluster of different people, much like the rest of Roman occupied Europe.
Talking about "Roman Genes" is extremely foolish in my opinion. Rome was a city, not an Empire. Before it became what it's know for, they first had to conquer or merge with the other populations of Italy, which includes the Latins and the Etruscans. So the genes were very mixed from the start.
Saying that Germanic and Northern African people have more of these "genes" is also quite odd, since the people of those countries were subjected at even more cultural changes than Italy.
@Zeghart I meant Italians have more Germanic and northern African genes than Roman. But I agree with almost everything you said, except with your view that out of all countries who claim Roman lineage be it cultural or linguistic, Italy wins. Italian culture is vastly different from Roman culture + each European country inherited and preserves something different from the Romans that Italy might not and vice versa. Measuring which country is more Roman in this sense is also foolish
My bad then, definitely read that in the wrong way. :P
But yeah, don't get me wrong. I don't mean that Italy has the same culture of Ancient Rome, nor that Roman Culture hasn't also majorly affected all the other countries. That would be insane.
I simply meant that Italy is most probably the country that preserved most of the Ancient Roman culture. Be that language, as I said, or Monuments, Ruins, entire Cities, mere Objects and in a very minor way, even lifestyle.
(Cont.) All things found plentiful all around Europe and beyond of course, just maybe not in the same major way.
And by the way, there's nothing to win here, it's not a contest. :P Roman Cultural Heritage is something that belongs to a good chunk of the World, and is so mixed that talking about descendants or genes is pretty pointless, as I said.
All I mean when I talk about Italy is that, as to be expected, is the country that has the most to show about those times.
In the end, "Roman Genes" are obviously part of pretty much every country of Europe and beyond, with hardly any "direct descendants".
I guess that looking back at those times, we could pretty much call each other "cousins".
Culturally speaking though, Italy is definitely the country that maintained the most of the Roman culture, as to be expected, starting from the Language. Goes without saying that parts of it still influenced in a major way the rest of the world, obviously.
@3dwardcullen69 I would put it differently and say this. Italians today are "essentially" the descendants of ALL the people who lived in the Italian peninsula in antiquity. Romans, Etruscans, Greeks etc. The ancient Roman civilization was an accumulation of those cultures anyway. Some new peoples entered Italy later on, but that did not alter the essential genetic makeup of the who Italian peninsula.
@Dianatomia And I'd say, you'd be wrong. The impact of not only the Germanic occupations but the huge influx of northern Africans in the southern part of Italy drastically changed the genome of the population living in Italy since the western Roman Empire collapsed. Modern Italians inherited very little genes from the ancient Romans, but that is not to say, that they did not inherit anything at all. Italians are mixed.
@3dwardcullen69 There is no reason to equate Italians with Romans, since even in antiquity many peoples inhabited the Italian peninsula. So to me the only appropriate question is, are the people of the Italian peninsula the descendants of the ancients? The answer to that is "essentially" yes. Indeed, there have been other settlements in Italy, but they did not alter their gene pool considerably. South Italians cluster with modern Greeks, so the influx of N Africans had a moderate impact.
@Dianatomia There is no reason to equate modern Italians to the people living on the Italian peninsula in ancient times. Samnites, Etruscan, Umbrians ect. The link between modern Italians and these people is small. Thus, the link between the Romans and Italians is long gone. Modern Italians do not descend from these people and likely descend from people which inhabited the Italian region in the centuries after the Western Roman Empire fell.
@3dwardcullen69 Anthropologists and geneticists would disagree with you. Your statement does not have a scientific basis. Rather a more biased one. All of those people left their mark on the modern Italian population. Cheers
@Dianatomia I dont know where you got that but, geneticists have discovered that modern Italians are more related to Germans, Northern Africans and Greeks. Only 30% of the Italian genome is found to be ancient Italian. It seems that your opinion is the one that is biased, as mine is based on DNA evidence.
@3dwardcullen69 Is it possible that the distribution of genes is among different segments of the populations rather than uniformly among all people? That is, the few peoples descended from the ancients are mostly intact except in small quantities in those mountain villages/ republics while the majority are different people outside but overall mixing is low?
@initvesa The issue isnt whether what you said is possible or not, its whether its probable. When they do DNA tests they usually use a sample population of 1000. And they get varying results. In Italy they've discovered that in the northern part of Italy, people share common genes with Germanic ethnicities. Southern Italians are more complicated. But generally most Italians share some genes that they think date back to ancient Italy, a relatively small proportion of genes though.
@3dwardcullen69 Taking a 1000 persons sample of a population for an extremely diverse people is a terrible standard of sampling. I guess the concern here is whether there is *any* group of pure bloods left dating back from the ancient time after thousands of years and it is very likely, despite that they may not be very representative or numerous. I agree that this idea of determining who is or isn't a Roman by genome is difficult even in ancient times.
@initvesa Since ancient "Romans" constitued any citizen in the empire so strictly speaking the people not round Rome probably were as diverse back then as they are today. ROME long ceased to be a mono-ethnic entity (was it ever of a single, closed tribe?) and so overall it feels like this debating "who is and who is not a Roman" genetically was pointless to begin with. Perhaps the analogy is like saying it makes some sense to say who is "English" but useless to say who is a "Brit."
@initvesa Not really anyone was a citizen. Only some provinces were senatorial, thus granted its inhabitants citizenship. Roman citizens constituted of men predominantly from ancient Greek, Iberian, and ancient Italian ethnicities. Roman citizenship was later extended to all free and freed men throughout the empire in 230AD. Mainly to collect more taxes, and to recruit more legionaries. But I agree with your analogy and your point. Being Roman, was definitely not a uniform ethnicity
Samnites, Volsci, Aurunci, Picenes etc. were all Osco-Umbrian Italics. Its like saying Alamanni, Marcomannni, Vandals, Quadi arent Germans or that Spartans, Athenians, Thebans etc. are not Greeks, that is absurd.
If you want to see the physical appearance of A. Romans(Italics) take a look at Pompeii's Frescoes: were Classic and Atlanto-Mediterraneans
@3dwardcullen69 And, last but not least I'm going to debunk that "slave influx" myth.
"In fact, SLAVES LOOKED SO SIMILAR TO ROMAN CITIZENS that the Senate once considered a plan to make them wear special clothing so that they could be identified at a glance. The idea was rejected because the Senate feared that, if slaves saw how many of them were working in Rome, they might be tempted to join forces and rebel."
@Ailorification True, and 1600 years later the west decided to just use color coding of the skin. Much more efficient. Didn't last long through same problem slaves make for lazy masters.
@3dwardcullen69 What I wrote are not fantasious speculations, its SCIENCE.
Its scientifically proved that Italians have the same blood from the Neolithic, there are TWO GENETIC BARRIERS within Europe. One is between the Finns and other Euro. The other is between Italians and the rest. And this reflects the role of the Alps impeding free flow of people between Italy and the rest of Europe.
The inhabitants of Italy have been isolated due to the Alpine barrier that made very difficult admixtures.
@3dwardcullen69 Ah the classic ignorant envious nordicist... there wasn't any "huge influx" of "north african" blood, its proved.
The Arab/Northern African sub-clade E-V65, is completely ABSENT in Italy.
Cruciani et al.(2007) calculate the contribute of northern african lineages to the entire gene pool of Italy and they show how it's trifling especially in continental Southern Italy.
Average (White) Berber DNA + Average Arab DNA = 1,3% = Insignificant
And this lie is debunked.
Another wishful myth is that of a suppose "germanic" influence in North Italy which is a complete non-sense since the only germans that invaded Italy were of insignificant number: 300.000 Ostrogots(exterminated and slaughtered by E. Romans in the Gothic Wars) and 180.000 Longobards
@3dwardcullen69 The continuity of the Italian greatness in any time and in any field of knowledge is striking: PETRARCA, DANTE, CARAVAGGIO, MICHELANGELO, LEONARDO, MACHIAVELLI, COLUMBUS, BRUNO,GALILEO,BERNINI, VIVALDI,VERDI ETC.ETC.The fact that Italy have always been the civilizing core of Europe collimate with the fact that ITALIANS ARE THE EUROPEANS WITH THE HIGHEST IQ.
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@Ailorification The only wishful myth is the one that you present. Modern Italians have little to do with ancient Romans and Roman greatness. It is only Italians like you who desperately try to find glory in another civilizations history. Your sources have nothing to do with your argument (IQ?) and the one that does cannot be confirmed. Also your 'dismemberment' of the slave influx argument is not even an argument. So I dont get where you went with that. Nice try though "Roman"
@mynoon1999 If they get to the era of Claudius they will be stepping on the toes of I Claudius but then again we will see the Roman invasion of Britain & Battle of watling street - 1 Roman legion vs 250,000 Britons = Roman losses 115 - Britons 85,0000 to 100,000 estimated KIA. Sad but true to history & archeology.
If you guys ever get the chance try to get "Spartacus" it was on Starz.com with Andy Whitfield...who later died in real life of cancer. A newer version should be coming out this spring...Andy was phenomenal ....a must see..more brutal than Rome
@hollywoodwerewolf the 13th at this time was like the navy seals of our time... they had just been in constant battle for 10 years, conquered large parts of europe, and were personally commanded by caesar, the general elect of rome... there was literally no better organised or experienced soldiers in the world at time time
Not only is this one of the best series ever on TV, the music is simply breathtaking. Everyone I've talked to that has listened to this wants to know how to get it.
@Huganis there are something you cant use money to buy, pillage, steal, loot, swindle, tax, take as tribute, and murder your rivals for. For everthing else theres mastercard
@Pace9000 Yeah I found out what it was eventually. 'Riot In The Senate, Pullo Finds The Gold' is the name of the music. But the horns and Ceasar's music comes in half way through that track. It's amazing to listen to on Surround Sound, 5.1. Woo!
thes movies on rome are about as fictitious as it gets and the producers are full of shit.think about this. did they wear sandals and light clothing in northern italy ,alpine regions and milano verona,parma etc northern areas or did they just never cross the alps?it gets very cold in the north in winter. they still find roman coins and relics in northern europe to this day.hollywood and film producers put 8 centurys of roman histry into a few hrs of crap on tv.
@0311RFLMN Actually. This is how the Roman army looked before 1AD. They wore light armor; light clothing; the sandals you are talking about are called Caligae which are sandal like. Just google roman uniforms and you should find some info on it.
this girl, Chiara, was on my my cousin classroom when i was in the elementary school in rome! i felt in love with her in a school journey in Cortina, a mountain place in Italy, but was bigger than me... and now... she is in the rome series... the life
@artacania "Gracchus", not drakkas, which is not even a roman name ;) I know, with the english accent... it's not easy. Agreed with the epicness, though. Definitely! One of the best moments in the series.
the oxes at 1:50 just rock! It's great and extraordinary that such animals still roam the planet
gandalf117 5 days ago
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he saw the gold that pompey´s men took from the republic. Pullo wanted to get the girl, but he ended up finding that huge treasure, i just love the expression on his face, he is like... who did just became a rich man??? Titus Pullo!!!
FullEd2011 1 week ago
what did he see in the chests?
bachiboy18 1 week ago
@bachiboy18 Gold. The entire Roman Treasury, in fact.
bachthoven1685 1 week ago
@bachiboy18 Probably gold. And lots of it.
PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD 1 week ago
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The sad thing is...Starz and HBO cancel all the good shows--Camelot, Rome--and the majority of Americans don't care. Who wants great drama, period pieces when we can have Keeping Up with the Kardashians and Jersey Shore?
SyrenniaLestrange 2 weeks ago
Hail, Caesar! Hail, John Milius !! Fantastic Series. Great Damn Story!
TheMasterRhyme 2 weeks ago
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Was the Roman Empire and ancient China both great civilizations?
VanillaSnow23 3 weeks ago
Anyone know the name of the soundtrack at the end? It's epic.
TheDiego1255 3 weeks ago
@TheDiego1255 its in the score album ;)
Draggis92 3 weeks ago
@Draggis92 What you mean?
TheDiego1255 2 weeks ago
What he just find? Weapons? Drugs? Both?
alukard0808 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
@alukard0808 A shit load of Denarii. Enough to buy half the Republic and a large stack of Roman porn.
Trialbystone17 3 weeks ago
@Trialbystone17 I'd hit that!
alukard0808 3 weeks ago
History and good story telling, this show had it all!
ABdadaSURD 3 weeks ago
Looked at the comments and saw the phrase "Roman Genes", didn't read anymore. If anybody is trying to claim Roman ancestry just stop.
RomaInvicta1 3 weeks ago
@RomaInvicta1 lol, agreed!!
3dwardcullen69 3 weeks ago
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@RomaInvicta1 Most people in Europe have at least some Roman gene if we define Roman as those that lived within the Empire than its obvious that nearly all of Europeans and those that emirgated from Europe have Roman ancestry
CaptainGrimes1 2 weeks ago
@CaptainGrimes1 That may be so but seeing as it would be such a minuscule part of our DNA nobody should brag about it lol... especially as it's just as likely that we have some barbarian settler's genes aswell.
Nevertheless our Roman Heritage, rather than genes, is something we can all be proud of.
RomaInvicta1 2 weeks ago
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Ailorification 1 week ago 7
What did Romans think of the Chinese? Comparing Romans and Chinese?
VanillaSnow23 4 weeks ago
@VanillaSnow23
The Romans never saw a Chinese
Miauriceful 4 weeks ago
@dannydong3000 You're right, there was nothing in my comment that stated otherwise.
Danorowski 1 month ago
It was meant to be a longer with more seasons but they were forced to close it off in the second season :(
klasco1991 1 month ago
@klasco1991 Whaaat? Where did you get that?
RomaInvicta1 3 weeks ago
@RomaInvicta1 /watch?v=O6aTBwciF8I
klasco1991 3 weeks ago
First box...oh shit
Second box....oh shit
Third box...ok, finders keepers.
JC approaching and cant get the oxen to move....oh shit, not again
Perfect symmetry.
181stTIE 1 month ago
What's in the box?
pekau 1 month ago
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I don't even know why there's this talk of real Romans still living in Italy...It's been almost two thousand years since it has collapsed, in that time there were the barbarians settling in Rome, after, of course, massacring most of Rome's population that was there, then hundreds upon hundreds of years of migrations and mixing. If there is any Roman blood left, it's been mixed to a point of an unnoticeable mut!
Danorowski 1 month ago
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@Danorowski Not to mention that Rome itself has been founded upon migration, for over two-thousand years it has been growing and has been dependent on migrants from Spain, Gaul, Judea, Greece, Carthage (or the field of nothing that was once Carthage), Syria...You get the picture.
Danorowski 1 month ago
Amazing that the Roman Empire was conquered by 12 Jewish outcasts and their teacher!
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 month ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight Still nothing compared to Persia being conquered by a bisexual playboy with mommy issues in a matter of 11 years.
Danorowski 1 month ago
@Danorowski lol, that's a good one too!
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 month ago
Gracchus! Something more cheerful.
CharlesShawRules 1 month ago
pretty good, would be better if it was in Latin.
chepe371 1 month ago
/wiki/Byzantine_empire
/wiki/Byzantine_Greeks
/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks
Besides the original Romans of the city of Rome.. There are many kinds of Romans through out Europe, and many nations that lay claim to the Roman legacy. The only nation that has a solid connection and continuation to ancient Rome are not the Holy Roman Empire of the Germans, neither the Franks of Charlemagne, but the Byzantine Greeks and their Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium).
WolfsAngel43 1 month ago
@WolfsAngel43 I agree with you 100% and many just don't understand what you said. I wish people stopped looking for the differences of the eastern and western Roman Empires and realized that they were in essence the same. They are incomparable because no one can apply what is and isnt Roman. The reason for this is because the median for whatever is Roman is not clearly defined when speaking from the perspective of either Empires.
3dwardcullen69 1 month ago
2:48-2:50 FIRST NAZI BASTARD
kenkaish 1 month ago
This was good show,but it was toooo expensive
lodhol 1 month ago
is that "cheerful" music in Rome's soundtrack?
Nosondakar 1 month ago
Random scene more like.
maggots4u 1 month ago
If he is caught by the Army he is either a dead man or the next consul!
infokemp 1 month ago
@infokemp They must make more series. A all British cast and 3 of my favourite actors. Plus lots and lots of killing.
mynoon1999 1 month ago
@mynoon1999 It would be good to of had some Italians in it as actors - I have been really interested in a crime series called Romanzo Criminal thats about a small narco-firm that tries to take over Rome in the 1970's-1980's that runs into established crime factions - the Italian actors & actresses are really good - it would a salute by HBO to them if they had modern Romans playing Romans but the English cast in this was excellent - are they making any more?
infokemp 1 month ago
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@infokemp Italian actors are good, but there is really no connection between modern day Italians and the ancient Romans. Italians today are the descendents of Visigoths, Vandels and Huns, not the Romans of old. Well maybe 5% blood line,
Bob.
bob32dt 1 month ago
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@bob32dt Well to my knowledge of ethnology the Romans like most people of Western & Northern Europe are Nordic-Celtic in origin including the Etruscans & Romans - the Visigoths & Vandels too where Nordic-Celtic but although Romanized in many ways they had a different brand of Christianity to the Romans when they came to dominance - the Asier & Vanir religions of the Scandinavian peoples such as the English-Saxons Almani etc also have a kinship with Roman gods just different names.
infokemp 1 month ago
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superhornet69 1 month ago
@superhornet69 Thanks for posting this to the discussion you really raise the tone of the discussion by pointing out my one letter spelling mistake - I am sure you will go down in history as the greatest Historian the world has ever seen!
Now please go back to living under the rock you peep out of to troll the internet for the attention you crave - you stupid little boy!
infokemp 1 month ago
@bob32dt The only Asiatic group you mentioned was the Huns - which where a confederation of Germanic-Slavic-Mongolian peoples from North West China who migrated through out the Eurasian land mass. The Romans like all great civilzations of course attracted in many diverse religions & racial groups but the key was they imposed Western rationalism - epicurean & stoic philosophy based on reason & citizenship - sometimes by force but more often through cultural attraction - the good life!
infokemp 1 month ago
@bob32dt In terms of the ruling families blood lines you are probably right - because the semi-legitimate use of force to support the state & rule of law in the end became - a crime family style enterprise - Sulla was the first since the kings & after the social war; spartacus rebellion, you had the triumvra & Julius Ceaser's epicurean faction came out top - but from then on it was the decline into the chaos of Monarchy (Marcus Aurelius being the exception).
infokemp 1 month ago
@bob32dt - check out a video called Caesar - de Bello Gallico. Liber Secundus (IV/V) - by ThePrinceStirling its from Julius Caesers books the Gaullic war - it is in Latin but there is an automatic subtitle translation - I will also send you a series on Roman engineering - if you are interested by Yale University - do you know they had an automated system & machine for carving statues as well as double glazed windows - amazing people.
All the best
David
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superhornet69 1 month ago
@bob32dt Alot of the Romans moved in the Eastern portions of the Empire (Greece and Asia Minor) where after the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Germanic Barbarians they admixed with the Greeks to continue the Roman Empire (known as the Byzantine Empire), the Romans became Hellenized in language and names, and the Greeks took up the name Romans ( they still call them selves Romans). Historians call them Eastern Romans or Byzantines to distinguish. Alot of Roman blood in Greece today.
WolfsAngel43 1 month ago
@WolfsAngel43 There is also a huge time gap between the eastern and western Roman Empires, which renders any difference obsolete in regards to "being Roman". I often say that comparing the Eastern Roman Empire and Western Roman Empire is like comparing 18th century America to 21 century America. This is why, modern Greeks may yet be more "Roman" than modern Italians, Spanish Portuguese Romanians or French.
3dwardcullen69 1 month ago
@bob32dt I wouldnt say only a mere 5% of the Italian genome is Roman, unless you are a geneticist, then my hat goes off to you. But I will agree that very few Roman genes were passed down to Italians in comparison to Germanic and Northern African. Lets not forget that 1/3 of Roman Italy were slaves of which the majority were from all corners of the Empire. The ethnicity of Italians is a mix of a this cluster of different people, much like the rest of Roman occupied Europe.
3dwardcullen69 1 month ago 2
@3dwardcullen69
Talking about "Roman Genes" is extremely foolish in my opinion. Rome was a city, not an Empire. Before it became what it's know for, they first had to conquer or merge with the other populations of Italy, which includes the Latins and the Etruscans. So the genes were very mixed from the start.
Saying that Germanic and Northern African people have more of these "genes" is also quite odd, since the people of those countries were subjected at even more cultural changes than Italy.
Zeghart 4 weeks ago
@Zeghart I meant Italians have more Germanic and northern African genes than Roman. But I agree with almost everything you said, except with your view that out of all countries who claim Roman lineage be it cultural or linguistic, Italy wins. Italian culture is vastly different from Roman culture + each European country inherited and preserves something different from the Romans that Italy might not and vice versa. Measuring which country is more Roman in this sense is also foolish
3dwardcullen69 3 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69
My bad then, definitely read that in the wrong way. :P
But yeah, don't get me wrong. I don't mean that Italy has the same culture of Ancient Rome, nor that Roman Culture hasn't also majorly affected all the other countries. That would be insane.
I simply meant that Italy is most probably the country that preserved most of the Ancient Roman culture. Be that language, as I said, or Monuments, Ruins, entire Cities, mere Objects and in a very minor way, even lifestyle.
Zeghart 3 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69
(Cont.) All things found plentiful all around Europe and beyond of course, just maybe not in the same major way.
And by the way, there's nothing to win here, it's not a contest. :P Roman Cultural Heritage is something that belongs to a good chunk of the World, and is so mixed that talking about descendants or genes is pretty pointless, as I said.
All I mean when I talk about Italy is that, as to be expected, is the country that has the most to show about those times.
Zeghart 3 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69
In the end, "Roman Genes" are obviously part of pretty much every country of Europe and beyond, with hardly any "direct descendants".
I guess that looking back at those times, we could pretty much call each other "cousins".
Culturally speaking though, Italy is definitely the country that maintained the most of the Roman culture, as to be expected, starting from the Language. Goes without saying that parts of it still influenced in a major way the rest of the world, obviously.
Zeghart 4 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69 I would put it differently and say this. Italians today are "essentially" the descendants of ALL the people who lived in the Italian peninsula in antiquity. Romans, Etruscans, Greeks etc. The ancient Roman civilization was an accumulation of those cultures anyway. Some new peoples entered Italy later on, but that did not alter the essential genetic makeup of the who Italian peninsula.
Dianatomia 2 weeks ago
@Dianatomia And I'd say, you'd be wrong. The impact of not only the Germanic occupations but the huge influx of northern Africans in the southern part of Italy drastically changed the genome of the population living in Italy since the western Roman Empire collapsed. Modern Italians inherited very little genes from the ancient Romans, but that is not to say, that they did not inherit anything at all. Italians are mixed.
3dwardcullen69 2 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69 There is no reason to equate Italians with Romans, since even in antiquity many peoples inhabited the Italian peninsula. So to me the only appropriate question is, are the people of the Italian peninsula the descendants of the ancients? The answer to that is "essentially" yes. Indeed, there have been other settlements in Italy, but they did not alter their gene pool considerably. South Italians cluster with modern Greeks, so the influx of N Africans had a moderate impact.
Dianatomia 2 weeks ago
@Dianatomia There is no reason to equate modern Italians to the people living on the Italian peninsula in ancient times. Samnites, Etruscan, Umbrians ect. The link between modern Italians and these people is small. Thus, the link between the Romans and Italians is long gone. Modern Italians do not descend from these people and likely descend from people which inhabited the Italian region in the centuries after the Western Roman Empire fell.
3dwardcullen69 2 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69 Anthropologists and geneticists would disagree with you. Your statement does not have a scientific basis. Rather a more biased one. All of those people left their mark on the modern Italian population. Cheers
Dianatomia 2 weeks ago
@Dianatomia I dont know where you got that but, geneticists have discovered that modern Italians are more related to Germans, Northern Africans and Greeks. Only 30% of the Italian genome is found to be ancient Italian. It seems that your opinion is the one that is biased, as mine is based on DNA evidence.
3dwardcullen69 2 weeks ago
@3dwardcullen69 Is it possible that the distribution of genes is among different segments of the populations rather than uniformly among all people? That is, the few peoples descended from the ancients are mostly intact except in small quantities in those mountain villages/ republics while the majority are different people outside but overall mixing is low?
initvesa 2 weeks ago
@initvesa The issue isnt whether what you said is possible or not, its whether its probable. When they do DNA tests they usually use a sample population of 1000. And they get varying results. In Italy they've discovered that in the northern part of Italy, people share common genes with Germanic ethnicities. Southern Italians are more complicated. But generally most Italians share some genes that they think date back to ancient Italy, a relatively small proportion of genes though.
3dwardcullen69 1 week ago
@3dwardcullen69 Taking a 1000 persons sample of a population for an extremely diverse people is a terrible standard of sampling. I guess the concern here is whether there is *any* group of pure bloods left dating back from the ancient time after thousands of years and it is very likely, despite that they may not be very representative or numerous. I agree that this idea of determining who is or isn't a Roman by genome is difficult even in ancient times.
initvesa 1 week ago
@initvesa Since ancient "Romans" constitued any citizen in the empire so strictly speaking the people not round Rome probably were as diverse back then as they are today. ROME long ceased to be a mono-ethnic entity (was it ever of a single, closed tribe?) and so overall it feels like this debating "who is and who is not a Roman" genetically was pointless to begin with. Perhaps the analogy is like saying it makes some sense to say who is "English" but useless to say who is a "Brit."
initvesa 1 week ago
@initvesa Not really anyone was a citizen. Only some provinces were senatorial, thus granted its inhabitants citizenship. Roman citizens constituted of men predominantly from ancient Greek, Iberian, and ancient Italian ethnicities. Roman citizenship was later extended to all free and freed men throughout the empire in 230AD. Mainly to collect more taxes, and to recruit more legionaries. But I agree with your analogy and your point. Being Roman, was definitely not a uniform ethnicity
3dwardcullen69 1 week ago
@3dwardcullen69 Romans were nothing more than Italics.
Rome was founded by three Italic stocks:
Latins, Sabines (Osco-Umbrians), and Etruscans.
Samnites, Volsci, Aurunci, Picenes etc. were all Osco-Umbrian Italics. Its like saying Alamanni, Marcomannni, Vandals, Quadi arent Germans or that Spartans, Athenians, Thebans etc. are not Greeks, that is absurd.
If you want to see the physical appearance of A. Romans(Italics) take a look at Pompeii's Frescoes: were Classic and Atlanto-Mediterraneans
Ailorification 1 week ago 10
@3dwardcullen69 And, last but not least I'm going to debunk that "slave influx" myth.
"In fact, SLAVES LOOKED SO SIMILAR TO ROMAN CITIZENS that the Senate once considered a plan to make them wear special clothing so that they could be identified at a glance. The idea was rejected because the Senate feared that, if slaves saw how many of them were working in Rome, they might be tempted to join forces and rebel."
/empires/romans/empire/slaves_freemen.html
Ailorification 1 week ago 9
@Ailorification True, and 1600 years later the west decided to just use color coding of the skin. Much more efficient. Didn't last long through same problem slaves make for lazy masters.
paul4opus 4 days ago 7
@3dwardcullen69 What I wrote are not fantasious speculations, its SCIENCE.
Its scientifically proved that Italians have the same blood from the Neolithic, there are TWO GENETIC BARRIERS within Europe. One is between the Finns and other Euro. The other is between Italians and the rest. And this reflects the role of the Alps impeding free flow of people between Italy and the rest of Europe.
The inhabitants of Italy have been isolated due to the Alpine barrier that made very difficult admixtures.
Ailorification 1 week ago 10
@3dwardcullen69 Ah the classic ignorant envious nordicist... there wasn't any "huge influx" of "north african" blood, its proved.
The Arab/Northern African sub-clade E-V65, is completely ABSENT in Italy.
Cruciani et al.(2007) calculate the contribute of northern african lineages to the entire gene pool of Italy and they show how it's trifling especially in continental Southern Italy.
E-M81(Berber) frequencies amongst Italians:
North: 1,5%
Center: 2,2%
South: 0%
Sicilians: 0,7%
AVERAGE: 1,1%
Ailorification 1 week ago 10
@3dwardcullen69 E-V65 (Arab), frequencies in Italy:
NORTH: 0%
CENTER: 0,2%
SOUTH: 0%
SICILY: 0,6%
AVERAGE: 0,2% (lol)
Average (White) Berber DNA + Average Arab DNA = 1,3% = Insignificant
And this lie is debunked.
Another wishful myth is that of a suppose "germanic" influence in North Italy which is a complete non-sense since the only germans that invaded Italy were of insignificant number: 300.000 Ostrogots(exterminated and slaughtered by E. Romans in the Gothic Wars) and 180.000 Longobards
Ailorification 1 week ago 9
@3dwardcullen69 The continuity of the Italian greatness in any time and in any field of knowledge is striking: PETRARCA, DANTE, CARAVAGGIO, MICHELANGELO, LEONARDO, MACHIAVELLI, COLUMBUS, BRUNO,GALILEO,BERNINI, VIVALDI,VERDI ETC.ETC.The fact that Italy have always been the civilizing core of Europe collimate with the fact that ITALIANS ARE THE EUROPEANS WITH THE HIGHEST IQ.
EUROPEAN IQ CHART:
ITALY 102
GERMANY 99
SWEDEN 99
DENMARK 98
TUNISIA 83
/averageiqbycountry.html
/doc/23358146/IQ-By-Country
Ailorification 1 week ago 11
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@Ailorification The only wishful myth is the one that you present. Modern Italians have little to do with ancient Romans and Roman greatness. It is only Italians like you who desperately try to find glory in another civilizations history. Your sources have nothing to do with your argument (IQ?) and the one that does cannot be confirmed. Also your 'dismemberment' of the slave influx argument is not even an argument. So I dont get where you went with that. Nice try though "Roman"
Tavi13 6 days ago
@Tavi13
Don't you like italians?
Miauriceful 4 days ago 7
@mynoon1999 If they get to the era of Claudius they will be stepping on the toes of I Claudius but then again we will see the Roman invasion of Britain & Battle of watling street - 1 Roman legion vs 250,000 Britons = Roman losses 115 - Britons 85,0000 to 100,000 estimated KIA. Sad but true to history & archeology.
infokemp 1 month ago
If you guys ever get the chance try to get "Spartacus" it was on Starz.com with Andy Whitfield...who later died in real life of cancer. A newer version should be coming out this spring...Andy was phenomenal ....a must see..more brutal than Rome
Pace9000 1 month ago
@Pace9000 That show is lousy. It's basically just softcore porn with more beheadings and CGI blood.
ninjast4r 3 weeks ago
I wish that they could continue with the series instead of only 2seasons :( Rome is absolutaly the best show ever!
Attisss 1 month ago
@freshkonradore In the box is the eagle, a highly revered symbol of rome that was stolen by the french barbarians.
soldatheero 1 month ago
Brilliant simply because the music is so fitting. My compliments to the score composer and the director.
TheApoorvkhurasia 1 month ago
sex slave and gold coins what a lucky day
MrBlingMonkey 2 months ago
was he fucking bruno? lol if anyone gets that
TheUkaners 2 months ago
WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!
FreshKonradore 2 months ago
I was angry that it was cancelled. I still am.
amazingdany 2 months ago
That music
one2one2v2 2 months ago
He did what any good soldier would have done, take the money and QUIT
puffydcat 2 months ago
What did he ever do with the gold can anyone please tell me ive been trying to figure that out the whole show
MIXEDHUSTLA 2 months ago
@MIXEDHUSTLA he gave it back to caesar
chronic24 2 months ago
Titus Pullo does his best Hercules impersonation there.
hollywoodwerewolf 2 months ago
Caesar entered Italy with one legion and all his enemies skedaddled.
hollywoodwerewolf 2 months ago
@hollywoodwerewolf the 13th at this time was like the navy seals of our time... they had just been in constant battle for 10 years, conquered large parts of europe, and were personally commanded by caesar, the general elect of rome... there was literally no better organised or experienced soldiers in the world at time time
101andrewj 2 months ago
does anyone know the name of the endingmusic? :)
Draggis92 2 months ago
By Jupiter's cock! Much coin and c*nt.
westy636R 2 months ago
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les russes sont etrusques
paienne14 2 months ago
Did he just do a hitler salute?
ZombieSlayer918 2 months ago
@ZombieSlayer918 Hitler took that salute from the holy roman empire (1st reich) who had taken it from the romans.
TheSpurs825 2 months ago
@TheSpurs825 Actually it was Mussolini who took it from old Rome then Hitler took not only took the Salute but the color of Italy's uniforms...
Pace9000 1 month ago
@ZombieSlayer918 that was how they hail caesar
ColdRicki 2 months ago
I forget: how did the gold end up there and what happened to it?
squamish4244 2 months ago
Not only is this one of the best series ever on TV, the music is simply breathtaking. Everyone I've talked to that has listened to this wants to know how to get it.
menelith1 3 months ago
An Ox and cart: 2 gold coins.
A slave girl: 20 gold coins.
The look on Titus Pullo's face when he sees whats in the boxes: Priceless.
Huganis 3 months ago 58
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Justin054J54 2 months ago
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@Huganis there are something you cant use money to buy, pillage, steal, loot, swindle, tax, take as tribute, and murder your rivals for. For everthing else theres mastercard
Justin054J54 2 months ago
@Huganis Best series ever made about the Romans
Pace9000 1 month ago 2
@Pace9000 Amen to that.
Huganis 1 month ago
Aw man, how I want the music at the end of this video, it's amazing!
I could listen to it all day. *Dreams about it..*
AlmightyMoso 3 months ago
@AlmightyMoso Go to I tunes....they must have it
Pace9000 1 month ago
@Pace9000 Yeah I found out what it was eventually. 'Riot In The Senate, Pullo Finds The Gold' is the name of the music. But the horns and Ceasar's music comes in half way through that track. It's amazing to listen to on Surround Sound, 5.1. Woo!
AlmightyMoso 1 month ago
@rnanderson23 do you know what the ending music is called :) ???
Draggis92 3 months ago
@Draggis92 Jeff Beal - Riot in the Senate / Pullo finds the gold
IrianZamJaya 2 months ago
what is the ending music called :) ?
Draggis92 3 months ago
At first I though there were severed heads of Roman soldiers in those chests. Then I read the comments.
SanFranGirl1982 3 months ago
Where can I find the song at the end??? If it's on the soundtrack what is it called?
gnav17 3 months ago
@gnav17 The song is called Riot in the Senate. Pullo found the gold. It's on the soundtrack aswell but also here on youtube.
555roc 1 month ago
2:47 Heil Hitler
TheFifanacho 3 months ago
@TheFifanacho AVE CESARE!!
strategistFranco 3 months ago
thes movies on rome are about as fictitious as it gets and the producers are full of shit.think about this. did they wear sandals and light clothing in northern italy ,alpine regions and milano verona,parma etc northern areas or did they just never cross the alps?it gets very cold in the north in winter. they still find roman coins and relics in northern europe to this day.hollywood and film producers put 8 centurys of roman histry into a few hrs of crap on tv.
0311RFLMN 3 months ago
@0311RFLMN it's all for the money...
Alex545418 3 months ago
@0311RFLMN Actually. This is how the Roman army looked before 1AD. They wore light armor; light clothing; the sandals you are talking about are called Caligae which are sandal like. Just google roman uniforms and you should find some info on it.
Ty032392 3 months ago
he is one of my favor actor.
hungryhamsters 3 months ago
I love the way the Writers of Rome weave dramatic stories into History
Gommerell 4 months ago
HA!HA!...
He found a woman and a mountain of gold in one swoop!... Lucky bastard! :)
2serveand2protect 4 months ago 35
@2serveand2protect every mans dreem
Vutxzzn2 1 month ago
@Vutxzzn2 :D
2serveand2protect 1 month ago
Caesar was the best dictator of em.
And I don't mean Octavian
killerrj8 4 months ago
@killerrj8 Octavian did what Caesar couldn't.
Cable3999 3 months ago
@Cable3999 I mean he was the nicest of all
killerrj8 3 months ago
this girl, Chiara, was on my my cousin classroom when i was in the elementary school in rome! i felt in love with her in a school journey in Cortina, a mountain place in Italy, but was bigger than me... and now... she is in the rome series... the life
dakalecapbon 4 months ago
Wow, not bad... find a wagon full of gold and pretty girl.
DensterNY 4 months ago
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Talk about wish fulfillment. Who doesn't want to find a hot slave girl tied up to a cart filled with a metric shit-tonne of gold all for the taking?
captjc 4 months ago
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captjc 4 months ago
drakkas something more cheerfull 1 sec later scene becomes pretty epic :)
artacania 4 months ago
@artacania "Gracchus", not drakkas, which is not even a roman name ;) I know, with the english accent... it's not easy. Agreed with the epicness, though. Definitely! One of the best moments in the series.
cathar1209 3 months ago
what was in those chests ? gold ?
Oesterreich1156 4 months ago
@Oesterreich1156 Shitloads of gold
Jouhanimou 4 months ago
i laugh every tim i see pullos face in that scene, hes like WHAT THE FAAAAAARK?!?
FaakedLillebror 4 months ago
What a thrill to imagine living the same thing in those days.. :D With the music to make the walk easier
yenicep 7 months ago
Thanks for posting this ending.
AresBrutus 7 months ago
@AresBrutus
sure np, I wanted to post it in HD but the program I used to cut the scene wouldn't load the mkv file..
rnanderson23 7 months ago