I allways have problems sequencing drums. I find it almost tedious to get them sound good and tight. And this guy only needs about 2 minutes to make a nice decsent song.
Truly a badass technician and musician...Vince Clarke was always at the forefront of every new wave of music technology. This man is definitely a genius...
I often recognise synth sounds from individual groups in certain periods, and often never from other groups. Is this because groups wish to use their own sound and not be accused of copying? If 2 people buy identical synths will they produce the same sounds? Or can you manipulate a synth to produce unique sound? Can an artist "own" the rights to a sound, like a lyric - ie if my record ends up with the same bleeping sound as your's can you sue me for plagiarism?
There's a ton of duplicated sounds. I hear that one sound all the time...I think they call it a piano? How unoriginal to play the piano when millions have played that similar sound so many times :) [I hope you see my point]
Very interesting. As a non-musician I would like to ask the following:
Will he still use this old equipment today? I have seen pictures of Clarke's studio full of contemporary equipment, but as these machines obviously did a perfectly good job, would it be common practise to continue to incorporate them? For instance, I am a poet and although I generally write in modern free verse, I still make use of the old, traditional styles of verse from time to time.
depeche mode , yazoo , erasure , thx to vince ! ( spent nights to program & sequenzing my casio cz 5000 , it had an 8 track sequenzer ,combined with a roland 08 synthesizer , real futuristic , lol!)
@BoogieWithStew 25 years? sequencing's been a part of hip-hop from the day 1. the introduction of the sp12 in the 80's as a sampler/sequencer/drum machine made this technology widely available to the average mainstream consumer.
whether or not the music sounds good to you is your opinion and matter of taste (and an opinion i don't to debate as you are entitled to it), but there's no reason to discredit the use of technology within the genre.
This is the boot camp of recording synthesizers. To firmly appreciate modern technology of Logic Pro & ProTools, you have to know where it all began. Right here in videos like this. Today's "producers" don't know just how easy they've got it.
i was born in the 80's when all this was out shame i only lived the last 3 years of the 80's. That casio keyboard sounds great similar sounds in the Nintendo NES.
I think I saw a dinosaur inside that Synclavier. Briefly. And to think this was the hi-tech stuff these days. Amazing but a pain to create even a simple loop.
@MrJhonnyjulian No creo que tenga un trabajo a tiempo parcial habiendo vendido con Erasure más de 25 millones de discos. Encima se ahorró lo que tuvo que aguantar Alan Wilder en los 90 y al ser el compositor principal del grupo puedo hacer lo que más le gustaba
@MrJhonnyjulian Yo también pienso que Alan Wilder era el talento de DM, pero sin Vince Clarke Depeche Mode habría sido una banda de rock británica más.
Cada miembro de Depeche Mode ha tenido un papel muy distinto:
Martin Gore es la composición pura, no era un genio musical pero compone cosas pegadizas.
Vince Clarke era el experto en tecnologías
Alan Wilder sabía como debían sonar las cosas que componía Martin.
Las composiciones propias de Alan Wilder son demasiado complejas para mi gusto.
I think Vince Clark is trying to demonstrate 'just that' po531don......indeed, it is great to see the #old machines' in operation....the past remains with the future....there's no escaping that....
i rember those pc'c when i was about 5 but then back in 1994 they were near to an end but this is where music synths all started and now look at it today great. Well done vince.
@audiotrax2000 Or, you are programming the sequenser to play what you want using master keyboard instead of feeding in parameters into synth/sequenser....
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@maccagrabme He used the Sequential Circuits Pro One extensively for bass etc. The Keyboard used in this video is the Casio CZ1000. I think he was also a fan of the Casio
@Zhorellski actually they are lol, u can do that sequencing 100 times better on FL studio, u can do 16 quantasizing, and screw this guy he sucks, lex luger clowns on him.
I notice a lot of people are going on about how Depeche turned out to be so great without Vince, yet I personally believe Yazoo sounded better than anything Depeche ever did. I think he made the right move to break away and work with Allison. Depeche is great, no doubt about that, but Yazoo was so much more expressive. Depeche was dark. Yazoo was dark too yet much more expressive and the songs had more variety. This is all my opinion though, I understand many will disagree.
WHY ARE YOU GLAD VINCE LEFT???/.......DM made it anyway .....with top song writing and top music by martin and alan.... but dont forget vince went on to write some excellent material with Yazoo, The Assembly and then Erasure......
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Not trying to be a hater or rude, but i'm so glad Vince left.... DM wouldn't be the legends they are now if he stayed, and that's the god honest truth.
Cool. A sequencer like the Yamaha QX-3, there is the echo back function which allows you to hear synths that have no sound engine or other devices that you are sequencing to be heard.
My Word, I never knew that olde BBC Computer (and not a Fairlight) could be used as a sequencer!! Last time I used one was back in 1985, to play a round of Frogger, haha, top stuff!
it is not so different from recording with Logic if you are a "one man band", only things that changed are the gui of the software and stuff like vst/au-plugins and softsynths
It's not,. I used to work with two MC500 Roland linked to a A880 midi patch bay sending to various synths. It's basically the same process, it's just hardware vs software. One of the problems you get when you use cpus all the time is that you get the same sound. Old synths have character, that's why so many pros continue to use them.
The thing is alot of these synths where cheap stuff that werent so impressive when it first came. But today some machines that where flops back then like the TB303 is very highly priced. The thing is for a bass imitating machine the 303 is not very good, but who doesn't know that sound today?
But I guess Moog and Oberheims stuff where expensive in the start back then, but not all. But today if anything is analoge it's expensive as hell or at least if you want it to have some voices.
This is brilliant news, thanks so much for your help. I have a MIDI-to-USB cable which worked fine. Only problem was with echoing - for some reason when I input a note on the keyboard, it echo's it, playing it twice. I'll get there in the end! Thanks again for your help
Hi, the reason you are getting an echo with midi is you still have the local keyboard switched on in the global settings. What happens is you will hear the keyboard play the sound and then the midi sent back to the keyboard plays it again. Switch local off when using it with the computer.. ;)
I understand that it's a 'language', and it only sends signals, but what I don't understand is that when he was playing there, he was playing notes through the keyboard. Yet when they came though on his Computer, he could quantize them to the time frame... How is this possible if MIDI is only data and not audio?
The sequencer program running on the BBC B computer is the one that came with a 3rd party device - UMI 2B if i recall does the timing/quantization work. You are correct in saying that MIDI sends note & patch information amongst other things , but NOT timing information.
The sequencer sends the MIDI signals to both play the notes & change the patch of the sound being played.
When quantizing, the sequencer program "moves" the note on/off timing data so it is dead-on ...just how Vince likes it!
When you first press a key on a keyboard, a MIDI message is sent that essentially says "some note (for example C#), at some volume (called 'velocity')"
When you let go of the key, it sends a message that says (some note, turn off). Those are the only two messages that travel down the MIDI cable in the process of playing a note. No information is being sent AT ALL while a note is being held.
The computer records these messages and keeps track of when they happened. It can play them back exactly as they came in, or the sequence information can be edited before it is played back (fixing timing, deleting notes, transposing, changing the lengths of notes, etc).
When the computer plays back, it sends MIDI messages (note on, note off, etc) at specific times (just as if it were a musician reading sheet music). These messages are interpreted by whatever MIDI instrument he has hooked up.
The actual audio is created by whatever synthesizer is recieving the MIDI messages from the computer as it plays back the sequence.
Remember, the synthesizer recieves a message that only says something like 'play C# at full volume'. The synth will play a C# on whatever sound it is set up to play. It holds that note until it recieves another message to stop.
Other messages can be sent over MIDI like pitch bend, patch changes, or 'controller data' (to control a filter, etc).
GreyThing - You're a life saver, thanks so much for your trouble. I feel stupid for being confused, I just found the whole data/audio contrast strange.
Final question (I promise!) can modern DAW's like Logic send this MIDI data to synths? I have a MicroKorg and, after hooking it up via MIDI, it will only 'send' data, not receive it.
You will have to create a channel that is designated as a midi instrument. In Logic 8, called an 'external midi track'. If you make a new track from the 'Arrange' window, it gives you that option. Software instrument tracks can also be used.
Then, in the track information on the left of the Arrange window, set 'port' to your midi interface and 'channel' to 1 (or whatever you microkorg is set to receive)
Garage Band can do it if you download a plug in called midiO - 1.2 (google it)
The PC, i believe it was a BBC Micro, was quite long for sale at EBay Germany for about 500 or more Euros. It was the original one of the two Micros he had, including the original Sequencing Software.
yeah mister yazoo, depeche mode and lucky bastard as he say from is akai collection sample lol i love the way he use a very cheap computer to controle the analogue stuff it's priceless, a lot of guy use amiga to in the 80's like art of noise or suzumu hirasawa.
This was done with the Casio cz1000 as his "master" synth to input via midi.How far things have come since then.However some of the best music is done by this method and still remain "Classics 80`s".
Well,most of the 80`s and most probably into the 90`s too.Before the fairlight,there was only really clunky,huge analog machines that took a Phd from Oxford to try to program.What i was saying was how easy it is to program stuff today with grooveboxes and vst "ready to go" beats versus the time consuming step input of the 80`s :D
That was cool to watch... I wondered how all of those synthpop bands from the '80s made their music. Question, though: does anyone know the song Vince is recording?
Vince always inspired me 2 push sounds 2 nu shoes? Synth Pilot + Roccit sounds = Styles Lee.
space77spice 3 days ago
you have some great stuff here
ericajjful 4 days ago
very interesting video thanks
sprattysy 4 days ago
can you imagine if he did a modern day version of this. even though he has all that gear in his maine studio, he'd be able to do this on a laptop :P
kingofkeyboards 2 months ago
I allways have problems sequencing drums. I find it almost tedious to get them sound good and tight. And this guy only needs about 2 minutes to make a nice decsent song.
But what the heck...It´s Vince Clarke.....
grimlund 2 months ago
The "King of Synth" Vince Clarke !
TheItalodancers 3 months ago 2
@audiotrax2000, who cares? He knows what he's doing and it sounds good, that's why i listened to it.
Ashley19721 3 months ago
very tight studio for the 80's ! I love the 707 lying in the foreground !
Bronstibock 3 months ago
Truly a badass technician and musician...Vince Clarke was always at the forefront of every new wave of music technology. This man is definitely a genius...
DarkBeats00 4 months ago
I am sorry to post twice, but...
I often recognise synth sounds from individual groups in certain periods, and often never from other groups. Is this because groups wish to use their own sound and not be accused of copying? If 2 people buy identical synths will they produce the same sounds? Or can you manipulate a synth to produce unique sound? Can an artist "own" the rights to a sound, like a lyric - ie if my record ends up with the same bleeping sound as your's can you sue me for plagiarism?
simonzon 4 months ago
@simonzon Nope...can't be sued for that...but far worse is being branded unoriginal or boring for using the same sounds as someone else.
Sounds like you might want to pick up some older vintage synth and have some fun messing around with sound creating...
DarkBeats00 4 months ago
@simonzon
There's a ton of duplicated sounds. I hear that one sound all the time...I think they call it a piano? How unoriginal to play the piano when millions have played that similar sound so many times :) [I hope you see my point]
MichaelJHuman 2 months ago
Very interesting. As a non-musician I would like to ask the following:
Will he still use this old equipment today? I have seen pictures of Clarke's studio full of contemporary equipment, but as these machines obviously did a perfectly good job, would it be common practise to continue to incorporate them? For instance, I am a poet and although I generally write in modern free verse, I still make use of the old, traditional styles of verse from time to time.
simonzon 4 months ago
BBC Micro B and the software was UMI-4M. Still have an article on it somewhere in an old Music Technology edition...
hallowedsound 4 months ago
Casio was the afordable choise for us whith an ST512.
tallfot 4 months ago
what computer (and/or sequencer) are that thing?
SrNutritivo 4 months ago
"master cable"? huh? oh, KEYboard. jesus, dude, speak english!
blueshifter 5 months ago
I remember my old casio keytar. Better sounds come out of a birthday card, believe me!
360Freakoutkid 5 months ago 2
vince is a legend
steviecfc1 5 months ago
My first synth was a CZ1000 - you could hear aliasing artifacts at high frequencies through headphones.
xesionprince 6 months ago 2
vince is a total legend xx
4444yoohoo 7 months ago
depeche mode , yazoo , erasure , thx to vince ! ( spent nights to program & sequenzing my casio cz 5000 , it had an 8 track sequenzer ,combined with a roland 08 synthesizer , real futuristic , lol!)
fexfreppl 7 months ago
The 'numeric/digital' period of Vince Clark., not the best....
gododinou 8 months ago
@gododinou yeah but doesnt this sound good for it being over a quarter of a century old?vince is just a pure genius.dm, yaz, erasure.ummm. duh.
russelli1 8 months ago
because they're all c*nts
fantismo 8 months ago
I didn't even know the BBC Micro had sequencing software, impressive..
adze1969 8 months ago
Vince Clark is a god. that is all.
fartinhaler777 8 months ago 2
fucking genius
lambie22 9 months ago
Rockschool! This show was great. Why cant there be a show on tv like this now?
mindstormsabrewin 9 months ago
Dope!
religion 9 months ago
Vince makes it look easy!
CartoonsAndGameShows 9 months ago
Gawwwwd...rock school ! LOL
LeonardRockstein 11 months ago
wow, sequencing with a commodore, brilliance
Redliner500 11 months ago
@Redliner500 Its a BBC Micro, I used to use one myself back in the day with the Hybrid music system which was way ahead of its time.
tfavio1 11 months ago
flippin awesome! i like the music he's making i'd jam that even now!!!! gotta love vince, he's pure brilliance.
0hglory 11 months ago
flippin awesome!
0hglory 11 months ago
today's hip-hop producers are doing EXACTLY what Vince Clarke is doing with their MPC's. this is simple sequencing...
descry1 1 year ago 2
@descry1 You mean it took them 25+ years to catch on to something so "simple"?
BoogieWithStew 10 months ago
@BoogieWithStew 25 years? sequencing's been a part of hip-hop from the day 1. the introduction of the sp12 in the 80's as a sampler/sequencer/drum machine made this technology widely available to the average mainstream consumer.
whether or not the music sounds good to you is your opinion and matter of taste (and an opinion i don't to debate as you are entitled to it), but there's no reason to discredit the use of technology within the genre.
descry1 8 months ago
is that one of those early usb coffee heaters?
SaltyJK 1 year ago
Now I open Live and start making stuff like that in a couple of minutes, that's the kind of shit I love about tech....
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He's using an Acorn BBC computer, can this guy get more British? I love it!
zeijedatnietnetookal 1 year ago
He's using an Acorn BBC computer, can this guy get more British? I love it!
zeijedatnietnetookal 1 year ago 11
casio as a master keyboard xD
Synthdude13 1 year ago 6
@Synthdude13 The legendary casio cz 1000
fmsynths83 3 weeks ago
I know ;-) but my comment was from a year ago so I forgot I posted it xD
Synthdude13 3 weeks ago
Vince clarke is a genius. Nightbird was his best work EVER!!!
otterboi26 1 year ago
This is the boot camp of recording synthesizers. To firmly appreciate modern technology of Logic Pro & ProTools, you have to know where it all began. Right here in videos like this. Today's "producers" don't know just how easy they've got it.
coreystuart 1 year ago
I thought he only used presets....
risteard01 1 year ago
This is the original masterclass!! Reminds me of all the CM specials, except there's no Vengeance samples or Logic DAW in sight. Great stuff!
boldequation 1 year ago
i was born in the 80's when all this was out shame i only lived the last 3 years of the 80's. That casio keyboard sounds great similar sounds in the Nintendo NES.
jaggass 1 year ago
Only way is Essex
ybot1983 1 year ago
Eraysier?
ybot1983 1 year ago
Check out that BBC Computer
Kotowboy 1 year ago
thanks for this lesson...although it might be "old school", the same principles for composing with the computer, are still used today 2010.
Burqua12 1 year ago
It's still all about volume, pitch, and duration. :)
mfnickster 1 year ago
cool story.
Yazoo and Erasure were great in 80s. :) Love both groups.
And Depeche Mode without Vince is as Yello without Carlos Peron.
SvensonC 1 year ago
Vince Clarke was in Depeche Mode which makes him cool...
80sfaan 1 year ago
2 fingers for play keys?
I prefer DJANGO REINHARDT!!!
pimperlpom 1 year ago
No need for berklee college of music Vince has taught everyone how it's done. Man's a genius!
JRHartly1984 1 year ago
I think I saw a dinosaur inside that Synclavier. Briefly. And to think this was the hi-tech stuff these days. Amazing but a pain to create even a simple loop.
mtsn 1 year ago
amazing
necroexmortis 1 year ago
El tipo sabe; más la cago al largarse de Depeche Mode :(
MrJhonnyjulian 1 year ago
@MrJhonnyjulian No la cagó, simplemente se largó de Depeche Mode para eso, para seguir experimentando por su cuenta.
Lgw1984 1 year ago
@Lgw1984 aunque monetariamente no le haya ido tan bien digo ,no :)
MrJhonnyjulian 1 year ago
@MrJhonnyjulian No creo que tenga un trabajo a tiempo parcial habiendo vendido con Erasure más de 25 millones de discos. Encima se ahorró lo que tuvo que aguantar Alan Wilder en los 90 y al ser el compositor principal del grupo puedo hacer lo que más le gustaba
Lgw1984 1 year ago
@Lgw1984 pues si pero Alan es Alan y en pinta se lo lleva incluso hasta a Dave Gahan; dime creo que Vince y Alan son contemporáneos (1959)?
MrJhonnyjulian 1 year ago
@MrJhonnyjulian Yo también pienso que Alan Wilder era el talento de DM, pero sin Vince Clarke Depeche Mode habría sido una banda de rock británica más.
Cada miembro de Depeche Mode ha tenido un papel muy distinto:
Martin Gore es la composición pura, no era un genio musical pero compone cosas pegadizas.
Vince Clarke era el experto en tecnologías
Alan Wilder sabía como debían sonar las cosas que componía Martin.
Las composiciones propias de Alan Wilder son demasiado complejas para mi gusto.
Lgw1984 1 year ago
@Lgw1984 y Fletcher mmm bien gracias, el hombre ha sido como el papa de los pollitos siempre muy seriesito y sin escándalos
MrJhonnyjulian 1 year ago
@MrJhonnyjulian ¿Sin escándalos? El tío es depresivo clínico
Lgw1984 1 year ago
@Lgw1984 Eso si con las gafitas tiene la pinta de unos de esos asesinos seriales , si te pones a pensar :O
MrJhonnyjulian 1 year ago
He has the notes written over the keys... WTF?
Babyblue57 1 year ago
Famed for using the Casio CZ 101 during the early days of Erasure.
JonMcElectro 1 year ago
I think Vince Clark is trying to demonstrate 'just that' po531don......indeed, it is great to see the #old machines' in operation....the past remains with the future....there's no escaping that....
bullet77fh 1 year ago
My goodness... how much work to create a single pattern on that computer :) Today, this is soooooo easier... We're freakin' lucky, I must say.
p0531d0n 1 year ago
i rember those pc'c when i was about 5 but then back in 1994 they were near to an end but this is where music synths all started and now look at it today great. Well done vince.
djrm2k7 1 year ago
Vince IS a Synth god!!! ;-)
The man IS a LIVING LEGEND. Xx
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ferg303 1 year ago
This is sequencing NOT synthesizer programming. Why do people always get the most basic things wrong on You Tube?
audiotrax2000 1 year ago 46
@audiotrax2000 Or, you are programming the sequenser to play what you want using master keyboard instead of feeding in parameters into synth/sequenser....
konked 1 year ago
@audiotrax2000 What is it then? If you critisize u must have an answer
johnyboy6405 4 months ago
pure talent !!.......should never leave DM
All members of DM are geniuses !!
wislard 1 year ago
Is that a BBC! lol!
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killer3x5 1 year ago
Vince Clark Vs Alan Wilder = Ultimate Showdown
darkriver29 1 year ago
Wow a BBC B contolling all that :)
crompton33001 1 year ago
What is the sequencer?
The only green on black display associated with a sequencer that I know of is the Fairlight.
neolojism 1 year ago
I believe it's the UMI computer program which is basically a 16 channel MIDI recorder.
randomeddie 1 year ago
Catchy, if almost simple. But there's great creativity in the simplicity here.
zenmachinefilms 1 year ago
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Vince Clarke way overrated, what instrument can he actually play to any degree?
LordArsehat 1 year ago
Vince Clarke is a god amongst man
wasteyelo1 1 year ago
@wasteyelo1 yes, he is
1970pepis 1 year ago
What synth does he use for basslines? Great sound.
maccagrabme 1 year ago
@maccagrabme He used the Sequential Circuits Pro One extensively for bass etc. The Keyboard used in this video is the Casio CZ1000. I think he was also a fan of the Casio
SyntheticsUK 1 year ago
This is incredible.. I just couldn't do this at home in the early 80's due to the lack of availability of software/hardware to the average joe..
This gear must have cost a fair amount of money
motormusic1 1 year ago
I remember watching this in the 80s. I had it recorded on VHS and watched it over and over.
LAnonHubbard 1 year ago
bloody amazing! he is pure legend
12321qwa 1 year ago
its a CASIO cz 1000 THe master key
SQUARENOISE 1 year ago
x depeche mode! great....love this guy
djwicaksono 1 year ago
Do you have some form of time transporter?
No LCD monitors in 1985, sport.
lineswine 1 year ago
Did he turn that tune into a full length song? The guy is a genius to mix that up in 2 minutes.
alex871uk 1 year ago 4
Todays Hip-Hop so-called Producers are not even close to what this Guy is doin'..
Zhorellski 1 year ago 76
oh really? watch?v=jzA7UjkkWf8
blunted215 1 year ago
@Zhorellski i wouldn't call them "producers"
accaddedrone 1 year ago
@Zhorellski Not true. Some hip hop producers are very talented. Not all though...
DrMBA28 1 year ago
@Zhorellski great and very true comment
MrGziss 1 year ago
@Zhorellski I am very glad people like you pont these things out! What you just sayed is so sad and at the same time so true...lol
DjAdam16 1 year ago
@Zhorellski TRULY
djuri0612 1 year ago
@Zhorellski actually they are lol, u can do that sequencing 100 times better on FL studio, u can do 16 quantasizing, and screw this guy he sucks, lex luger clowns on him.
ClassicCult 10 months ago
@ClassicCult shame on you...
TheRealAndyBenzon 9 months ago
I notice a lot of people are going on about how Depeche turned out to be so great without Vince, yet I personally believe Yazoo sounded better than anything Depeche ever did. I think he made the right move to break away and work with Allison. Depeche is great, no doubt about that, but Yazoo was so much more expressive. Depeche was dark. Yazoo was dark too yet much more expressive and the songs had more variety. This is all my opinion though, I understand many will disagree.
HighRiseChateau 2 years ago 3
what kind of software he was using?
rays130226 1 year ago
It's a BBC B microcomputer, with a software/hardware add-on called a UMI-2B.
lineswine 1 year ago
WHY ARE YOU GLAD VINCE LEFT???/.......DM made it anyway .....with top song writing and top music by martin and alan.... but dont forget vince went on to write some excellent material with Yazoo, The Assembly and then Erasure......
2508col 2 years ago 4
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Not trying to be a hater or rude, but i'm so glad Vince left.... DM wouldn't be the legends they are now if he stayed, and that's the god honest truth.
Rw7451 2 years ago
LCD monitors aren't that popular in 80s.
Raura0rz 2 years ago
He's got his CASIO hooked up to the WOPR. Professor Falken is going to help him out with some tic tac toe and hella 80's beatz!
I predict we'll reach DEFCON 5 in no time!
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@DJPeteJames
"Bloody hell Vince, get an LCD "
I'm sure that setup already cost him an arm and a leg when it came out. It's amazing he managed to do something musical with it ;)
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 years ago
See? I'm not the only one who wears white shorts after Labour Day in the studio!
johnvonahlen 2 years ago
can you get your frammistats to co-ongulate with your nimini pimini converters?
oakesy68 2 years ago
Hey Vince..thanks for showing us!
I love your music.
mcaly 2 years ago
Cool. A sequencer like the Yamaha QX-3, there is the echo back function which allows you to hear synths that have no sound engine or other devices that you are sequencing to be heard.
Cool computer he used.
TheSynthFreq 2 years ago
nearly sure it's a bbc micro running umi software
spookyomansions1 2 years ago
wow that's some OG quantizing!
OZilla612 2 years ago
what's the song? :)
thats cool
AndromedaRock 2 years ago
My Word, I never knew that olde BBC Computer (and not a Fairlight) could be used as a sequencer!! Last time I used one was back in 1985, to play a round of Frogger, haha, top stuff!
israagoldsmith 2 years ago 3
wow, that sounds so complicated. thank god for Reason 4 and Logic 9
studiologos619 2 years ago
it is not so different from recording with Logic if you are a "one man band", only things that changed are the gui of the software and stuff like vst/au-plugins and softsynths
EFKA526 2 years ago
It's not,. I used to work with two MC500 Roland linked to a A880 midi patch bay sending to various synths. It's basically the same process, it's just hardware vs software. One of the problems you get when you use cpus all the time is that you get the same sound. Old synths have character, that's why so many pros continue to use them.
GuiR3X 2 years ago
MTV's Sifl & Olly must have ripped this tune off for their song "prostitute laundry." check video K8Hn11aPZyM seriously.
clantogw 2 years ago 3
that looks so much easier than on a modern computer nowadays !
Only too bad that he couldn't hear the sounds realtime. It's hard to make a spontaneous groove that way.
Keybern 2 years ago
CLARKE RULES
WolfgangAmadeusF 2 years ago 4
Oj teraz jest to o wiele bardziej proste.
Technika idzie naprzód, co będzie za 10 lat !!!
bkroz9000 2 years ago
Wow so old school... I can only imagine how much that stuff would cost in the 80's
Appleye 2 years ago 26
The thing is alot of these synths where cheap stuff that werent so impressive when it first came. But today some machines that where flops back then like the TB303 is very highly priced. The thing is for a bass imitating machine the 303 is not very good, but who doesn't know that sound today?
But I guess Moog and Oberheims stuff where expensive in the start back then, but not all. But today if anything is analoge it's expensive as hell or at least if you want it to have some voices.
M3sslah 2 years ago
That computer comes probably from a CMI Fairlight ($30000). Add $30000 for the other things... Very expensive...
VictorFleur 2 years ago
@Appleye
and how much it cost nowdays:):)
happyendy 1 year ago
@Appleye how much does it cost now?
presidentevil 1 year ago
I get you - thats brilliant thanks so much!
miniroll32 2 years ago
This is brilliant news, thanks so much for your help. I have a MIDI-to-USB cable which worked fine. Only problem was with echoing - for some reason when I input a note on the keyboard, it echo's it, playing it twice. I'll get there in the end! Thanks again for your help
miniroll32 2 years ago
Hi, the reason you are getting an echo with midi is you still have the local keyboard switched on in the global settings. What happens is you will hear the keyboard play the sound and then the midi sent back to the keyboard plays it again. Switch local off when using it with the computer.. ;)
kaine180 2 years ago
Fantastic! Thanks :P
miniroll32 2 years ago
Forgot to mention just in case,
You need to have the synth hooked up to MIDI cables that go into the computer through some sort of interface. It sounds like you already have that.
Computer IN connects to MicroKorg MIDI OUT
Computer OUT connects to MicroKorg MIDI IN
(that confused me when I first learned it)
And then set your interface to be used in your DAW MIDI preferences.
GreyThing 2 years ago
Hey there! Can someone help me with MIDI...
I understand that it's a 'language', and it only sends signals, but what I don't understand is that when he was playing there, he was playing notes through the keyboard. Yet when they came though on his Computer, he could quantize them to the time frame... How is this possible if MIDI is only data and not audio?
Thanks! :)
miniroll32 2 years ago
The sequencer program running on the BBC B computer is the one that came with a 3rd party device - UMI 2B if i recall does the timing/quantization work. You are correct in saying that MIDI sends note & patch information amongst other things , but NOT timing information.
The sequencer sends the MIDI signals to both play the notes & change the patch of the sound being played.
When quantizing, the sequencer program "moves" the note on/off timing data so it is dead-on ...just how Vince likes it!
lineswine 2 years ago
Ahh I see. But if you say MIDI only sends on/off data, how does also send that Patch information from the keyboard?
miniroll32 2 years ago
When you first press a key on a keyboard, a MIDI message is sent that essentially says "some note (for example C#), at some volume (called 'velocity')"
When you let go of the key, it sends a message that says (some note, turn off). Those are the only two messages that travel down the MIDI cable in the process of playing a note. No information is being sent AT ALL while a note is being held.
GreyThing 2 years ago
The computer records these messages and keeps track of when they happened. It can play them back exactly as they came in, or the sequence information can be edited before it is played back (fixing timing, deleting notes, transposing, changing the lengths of notes, etc).
When the computer plays back, it sends MIDI messages (note on, note off, etc) at specific times (just as if it were a musician reading sheet music). These messages are interpreted by whatever MIDI instrument he has hooked up.
GreyThing 2 years ago
The actual audio is created by whatever synthesizer is recieving the MIDI messages from the computer as it plays back the sequence.
Remember, the synthesizer recieves a message that only says something like 'play C# at full volume'. The synth will play a C# on whatever sound it is set up to play. It holds that note until it recieves another message to stop.
Other messages can be sent over MIDI like pitch bend, patch changes, or 'controller data' (to control a filter, etc).
Hope this helps!
GreyThing 2 years ago
GreyThing - You're a life saver, thanks so much for your trouble. I feel stupid for being confused, I just found the whole data/audio contrast strange.
Final question (I promise!) can modern DAW's like Logic send this MIDI data to synths? I have a MicroKorg and, after hooking it up via MIDI, it will only 'send' data, not receive it.
miniroll32 2 years ago
Yes,
You will have to create a channel that is designated as a midi instrument. In Logic 8, called an 'external midi track'. If you make a new track from the 'Arrange' window, it gives you that option. Software instrument tracks can also be used.
Then, in the track information on the left of the Arrange window, set 'port' to your midi interface and 'channel' to 1 (or whatever you microkorg is set to receive)
Garage Band can do it if you download a plug in called midiO - 1.2 (google it)
GreyThing 2 years ago
The midi sends and returns from the Keyboard.
The midi is just re-triggering what he played on the keyboard...for example he would still have to record that to make it into audio.
farfletched 2 years ago
Vince Clarke is a musical and synth genius, truly gifted, i mean, NEW LIFE! what better track, other than Situation
TrainmasterCurt 2 years ago
the man is a legend.
njhollender 2 years ago 2
Look at the Pc it's ancient
damopro20 2 years ago
The PC, i believe it was a BBC Micro, was quite long for sale at EBay Germany for about 500 or more Euros. It was the original one of the two Micros he had, including the original Sequencing Software.
stef546 2 years ago
*Sequencer* programming, perhaps.
trylonperisphere 2 years ago
that is a prehistoric version of Fuity Loops Studio!
AburameFifox 2 years ago 3
are you an idiot or something?
obviously its an old Midi Sequencer.
kords1 2 years ago
Sorry O_o!
AburameFifox 2 years ago 2
hehe its cool.
kords1 2 years ago
I'm agree!
AburameFifox 2 years ago
AburameFixFox: You are an idiot. You have no idea about electronic music and think that with a Apple and Cubase you are a genius.
Electronic music is a hardware sequencer and a rack modules sintetizers.
You are the kind of "musicians" that the only can make is "copy paste". VINCE FOREVER! NOBEL PRICE FOR VINCE!!!
TheRetroDark 2 years ago
Take it easy bro!
my totally respect to Vince.
I never thought that my commentary could provoke bad impressions! anyway, sorry if I make you feel ofended.
AburameFifox 2 years ago 2
we are "susceptible". ;)
TheRetroDark 2 years ago
yeah mister yazoo, depeche mode and lucky bastard as he say from is akai collection sample lol i love the way he use a very cheap computer to controle the analogue stuff it's priceless, a lot of guy use amiga to in the 80's like art of noise or suzumu hirasawa.
Meteotrance 2 years ago
man where do i get that copy of reason?! or is it cubase!? those VST's he's got are amazing! that is some serious production skills!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
boldswede 2 years ago
Ay Máma,es Vince "el genio".
Asteriscorec 2 years ago
In the days when you had to know DOS in order for your computer to perform basic tasks.
ChasBeauregarde 2 years ago
Each drum is a note on the keyboard, mmm-kay? j/k
I love Vince's work
MichaelJHuman 2 years ago
this is fking braindance! :D
gomesbascoy 2 years ago
This was done with the Casio cz1000 as his "master" synth to input via midi.How far things have come since then.However some of the best music is done by this method and still remain "Classics 80`s".
A great video!
fezufo 2 years ago
"best" music! phhhhhhh get a grip! give me an example!?
boldswede 2 years ago
Well,most of the 80`s and most probably into the 90`s too.Before the fairlight,there was only really clunky,huge analog machines that took a Phd from Oxford to try to program.What i was saying was how easy it is to program stuff today with grooveboxes and vst "ready to go" beats versus the time consuming step input of the 80`s :D
fezufo 2 years ago
those shorts are fresh
dasystem 2 years ago 2
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juliochoper 2 years ago
Seems easy!. but try! ... what an old pc!
coro71 3 years ago
It's a bbc B . a great machine for the job
watchmanuk 2 years ago
That was cool to watch... I wondered how all of those synthpop bands from the '80s made their music. Question, though: does anyone know the song Vince is recording?
Shyyrn 3 years ago