This is ridiculous topic. Meshuggah invented all these "djent" bands that get born 1000 a day. Simply put - no Meshuggah, no Periphery. Whew that was easy. And all this djent hype resembles the nu metal one from a decade ago. Relax, wait a year or two and the djent kids with 100000-string guitars all sounding the same, will disappear faster than they've popped. While Meshuggah make timeless music, not related to any genre hype, so they are here to stay.
@snupcho Well it's ridiculous to turn Djent into a genre to be honest. Good thing Periphery isn't a "Djent" band, at least not self proclaimed, they deny that djent is a genre and have never called themselves as such. Periphery is making new, interesting music, Meshuggah is great but it isn't really that different from most other metal, other than maybe being better. I'm getting a little tired of both sides with their polorised views, wish I'd never asked which "the winner" was.
@WTFDSDT Oh man, be honest. Don't try to tell me Periphery are not Meshuggah heavily influenced, just like AAL, Vidjharta and tones of other followers of the 8-string sound and syncopated 4/4 beat...which was brought to mainstream by Meshuggah. Where were all these band in 2005, or even in 2002? Because Meshuggah was already making 8-string albums by that time. Periphery is just having the Meshuggah sound developed in a more melodic way, that's all. Nothing that much genial or special.
@snupcho Please, I would not deny that, periphery don't they admit they're influenced by them, but as a meshuggah fan to be all entitled about it almost to the degree where it's almost like you think they might as well have produced periphery's work and claim it's basically the same thing is like claiming that birds existence comes from horses and are basically the same animal.
@snupcho Everyone knows periphery are meshuggah influenced the words Djent came from Misha Mansoor Describing frederiks Tone and he said it was Djent'y loads of people just took the words as something eles. and before you start talking about bands with 10000 strings remember meshuggah use 8 periphery use 7.
@Cruentus903 Oh right you mean whiny as in the subjective tone of his voice, fair enough but you didn't really need to come here to say that.
But at somepoints i sympathise with the overproduced side of your comments, this year the two albums they're recording will use no tuning so that should be helped. I saw them live, spencer was okay (he had a chest infection and diarreha, so props to him.) but the microphone was half broken.
Im one of those who only listens to the instrumentals. Ill always give him another shot on the new album, but whiny vocals are not purely subjective. Metal as an ever changing genre goes through changes to be sure, but whining as a verb is something that is generally considered annoying by most. Metal was known to have something of a tough additude to it, and it a whiny frontman just wrecks that. Unfortunatly it seems to be more prevolent in modern metal.
I wouldn't pin this on modern metal personally, and how someone defines whiny vocals is pretty subjective. In my opinion Megadeth vocals sound whiny. To each their own my friend, sorry they're not making what you want to hear but I'm sure there's plenty of other bands out there doing just that. :)
@WTFDSDT No, I am insisting that there is an adjective known as whining, and that it applies to music as well. Whining has a certain connotation that I did not invent. I wouldnt argue with you about megadeath. It's a nasal sound. Periphery has a poor vocalist from what I've seen. Hands down. He just doesnt seem to be a very good singer, or growler for that matter. Im not saying all nasal vocalists suck, but it is often frowned upon, and for a legitimate reason.
@Cruentus903 Yeah of course I would, I've heard him demonstrate vocals in person, (as in not on stage) Remarkable talent. But you're not going to slay it every show when you were touring as hard as they have toured most of their young career, spence is inexperienced and through almost the entire first UK tour they were all ill, pretty sure they had overstrained themselves for most of their touring.
I dont care how good a singer he is in person if he cant pull it off either on stage OR in the studio. While clean it's almost like hes trying to mimic an autotuner ALL the time, judging by the several live performances I just watched, I think he must be using one quite a lot in the studio. Good versatile vocalists, Freddie Mercury, Mikael Akerfeldt, Gray Maynard, Marco Hietala. They adjust to the music behind them. Spence doesnt seem to be able to do that.
funny video.Periphery=awesome.Spencer ruins nothing.Some people only think you can have sreaming growling shit with this style of music. They can't see how much more amazing good vocals like HIS really makes it. i would rather listen to Periphery than pretty much any other metal/djent group because of his style and range. You can enjoy the intense crazy metal + just chill out and listen to it without annoying monontonous growly shit. Anyone who dislikes his vox.. please show me something better.
@deadneck69 Amen brother! I mean, i like gowls and stuff alot. But Spencer fits so perfect to the sound of Periphery. It sound kinda fresh. It's not that he sings and screams like every Metalcore/whateverthefuck-Band. He just sound different and got an amazing range. Also he can scream very well!
@draugsvoll01 oh hell yea but periphery is EXTREMELY young they've got a long way to go. im really just talking about each one of them as artists but we'll see how far they go as a band
Not at all. I love Meshuggah, that's why I said it. People don't seem to realize just how much of an influence that band has had on all the new shit coming out.
While both bands presented relevant arguments, it is my personal opinion that Meshuggah stuck to the facts while Periphery tended to appeal to emotion to prove some of their points.
...i like both... i dont really care if anyone disagrees with me, cause thats their opinion, and if they dont like spencer, it doesnt matter, cause it doesnt look like he's leaving, and the opinion of someone on youtube probably wont get him to leave either
I must say, Spencer ruins the entire mood of their songs. Every time I hear they're Instumentals, I'm just sooo in to it, and then they're emo-sounding singer kicks in and ruins it. Fuck Periphery, They'd be better off as an instrumental band.
Listen to the instrumental release, I'm not talking about ignoring his vocals.
And I didn't say that because I'm butthurt but because It makes you a pissy little ingrate to insult a band because they're not making music you like, especially when they HAVE made music you like.
@WTFDSDT Lol... whatever you say man... I do have the instumental.... Just saying, they need to kick that guy out... so they can start ACTUALLY releasing good shit.
@AndyDrew003 I believe he does match the mood, and his voice is very good. You have to realize the talent in this band, each and every member brings a major part of Periphery together. My favorite members has got to be
Matt, because his sound is just amazing and he's so fluid, Misha and the others are equally as good and bring their own talents to the table, like the interludes that Jake does between the songs, Misha and Alex/Mark's creativity. Tom's grooves that will be missed. It's all there
@AndyDrew003 And I believe Spencer adds the last bit of expression that the songs, in my opinion need. Music can only do so much on it's own, but the lyrics add a whole other layer of interpretation to the music. Technically, Spencer has a range that compliments the bands music very much, that's why I don't think Casey would have been a good fit. Like during the end of Buttersnips when he's singing the really high note at the end, there's so much sound coming out but Spence holds his own.
@AndyDrew003 To simply call Spencer an Emo sounding singer is extremely degrading more than anything else. The dude has talent and that's something you can't deny. Misha has said this before to people like you saying that, they're not an instrumental band, if you want instrumental look somewhere else and deal with it.
@Kenji20022 ignorant? lmao. listen to hawthorn heights or some shit like that and the vocals are pretty much the same. Degrading? you bet your ass its degrading! probably the most degrading thing to happen to metal in a long time. so glad you see my point. Ignorance would mean I didn't even listen to it AND THEN said he sounds like a sing for some emo band.
@AndyDrew003 Find another singer that would fit Periphery, because they've never been an instrumental band. Bulb may have had his ideas, but Periphery was always supposed to have a singer. I mean besides Devin Townsend I don't think anyone else could really fit the mood to these songs, and you're the reason the metal scene is dying, not like I care really. Last conversation I had with a metal head involved Dying Fetus, and me walking away from the conversation with less faith in humanity.
@Kenji20022 Devin Townsend is an amazing vocalist... simply amazing, The metal scene is dying due to the over population of hyper-mass-cloned "core" bands. one copy after another after another after another. these bands need to find their own sound. Periphery does have a good sound, (I was just trying to get a rise out of the periphery fans) put toooo many are trying this so called "djent" style. hey people... meshuggah did that already, its time to try something new.
@AndyDrew003 I agree with you in that sense, and yeah man Devin is the man! Love everything he even graces. And Djent is a joke, it's just progressive metal with a certain tone, and people act like it's the sound of the heavens when it's clearly not. The fact that I was listening to Meshuggah on campus the other day at my college, and some kid asked me if I listen to Djent. I humored him, and he got a bit excited and asked if I listen to Attack Attack, and Asking Alexandria. I walked away haha
@Kenji20022 Definitely hate Attack attack, and asking alexandria. but if your opinion still stands that I'm the reason for metal dying...whatever. but in my opinion, as long as there's people still listening to "old school" bands, then metal will always have something to base itself off of. without that original sound, metal would never head in any direction at all. if that older sound disappears, then we'd only have the new trends to work off of and we'd be screwed.
@AndyDrew003 I just don't like the crusader like attitude of cutting down everything in your wake if it doesn't sound the way you want them to. And we'll never lose old influences, perhaps future generations might because modern metal is becoming more prominent. Kids of the next generation will look at bands like Metallica, and Megadeth, with the same type of feeling kids of this generation apply to bands like steely dan, and allan holds worth. Hold on to your influences is all I gotta say
@Kenji20022 Uh....the singer they had before? Chris Barreto had some badass growls and really gave some depth to the heavy parts of their songs. Spencer's just too monotone for me during his screaming, and his singing is pretty whiny. They could easily improve.
@AndyDrew003 First off...there, their, and they're all have different meanings. Use correct grammar if you want your opinions to be credible. Second..."emo-sounding singer.." What does that even mean? Do you consider any vocalist that actually SINGS emo?
they were an instrumental band at first. but they felt it didn't feel complete without vocals. they released an album with spencer and released it instrumentally to because indeed that's what people were most used to. Spencer is an amazing vocalist and i snowhere near bad. live he had some difficulties but that's normal, the level of diffiulty of the singing parts is incredible but he is getting better and better. stop complaining.
@DontPieceMe221 Is it weird then that I like his voice..? I mean, they could do a hell of a lot worse. They could get that whiny fucker who does the clean vocals in every single post-hardcore band ever. That would be a lot worse.
@851852093114208513 Not weird, we just have different tastes. And I agree that they could do a lot worse. I'm sure he'll improve too, but until that happens I'll stick to the instrumental versions.
Well, obviously I don't speak for the band but it would seem to me like they realeased the instrumental because at that point that's what Periphery fans were most used to and well, to be fair Spencer was essentially at the begining of his career then and I've heard them say that "he's got SO much potential" and that "he's improved SO much" over this last year or so and I would agree, I still argue he could not be considered bad in the first place.
@WTFDSDT His voice is really annoying, sounds choked/nose/too high for cleans and sounds like he has shitloads of snot in his throat for growls (if you can call them that). I know it sounds like hate, but it isn't, he gets to sing with periphery, koodos to him. That being said, they could ahve a MUCH better vocalist, maybe something along the lines of The Contortionist's singer who has very nice, smooth cleans and Scarry fuckin' growls.
@WTFDSDT Me too! I'm not a huge fan of his vocals for aesthetic reasons (IMO they're a little "screamo" sounding in places, I guess?). But I still think he's *really* talented anyway.
i like both bands, not gonna lie, but i quite like Periphery because its one of very few bands that i can show to anyone, read it, ANYONE, and they will enjoy it. the clean vocals make it more acceptable in the mainstream; normally people are super tight-assed and close minded about any music with screaming in it. basically it's a lot easier to get your girlfriend into Periphery then Meshuggah, so i find myself listening to way less 'Shuggah and way more Periphery nowadays.. :/
lmao!!..there is no argument...shuggah is WAY better than pussy ass sounding periphery...the drums are better..the guitars...lol//pleaze.....singer..lmao..shuggahs hardcore raw screams and deep vocals vs. peripherys ladylike singer.....SHUGGAH STOMPS RIPHERY ALL FUCKING DAY LONG!!!!!..MESHUGGAH IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD BITCH!!!!!!!!..THEN COMES VILDHJARTA!!!!!
@MyNutsAreCold Do you think I can honestly take any of your statement(s) seriously with your username? What's wrong with Oasis? This music was hardly even around when Oasis were, ya dickhead.
@2PlayDead it's "kill it with fire", and periphery is amazing, you can't deny how groovy they are. just because they have singing doesn't make them any less talented that Meshuggah.
@Element115fl Goddamn it, why is it SOOOOOO hard to accept another person's opposite opinion? Periphery's instrumental work is good, yeah, but the vocals are god-awful. I mean, I don't understand why Periphery have him in the band- that pisses me off. There's no way you can't tell me that Meshuggah is less talented. Anyways, my point is that I'm not pissed because you say that my opinion is "wrong", I'm pissed because you think you are able to change it.
@2PlayDead ..periphery tries to MIMIC shuggah...agree w/ bout the vocalist...if they changed the singer from a lil bitch to a real wicked hard vocalist they would shut up.....i cant bring my self to listen to a full song..the singer ruins it every time.....if your in the usa its your constitutional right to your opinion...if someone else doesnt like it..they can go fuck themselfs or go back to their pos communistic country.
@Deadnsd the best thing about periphery is that they issued an instrumental version of their album :D personally i find the singing unbearable, so instrumental makes it all better!
I can accept "The singing isn't to my taste" but to find it unbearable? guy's a fucking incredibly talented vocalist.
But I admit it took me time to warm to it, when I first heard the demos with vocals i was like "It's good, but ehhh i'm not sure..." at that point I did prefer the instrumentals.
I love both, Meshuggah started the movement, and others are inspired.. thus more fucking incredible riffs for all of us... fucking love it... Got Djent?
Genre Description: Various bands who have emerged in the past 3-6 years seeing who can be the best at ripping off what Meshuggah's been doing for 15 years.
@SprayXcheesE They definitely had Metallica influence but they didn't sound that much like them (where as with most Djent bands you can listen to just about any of their songs and hear some riffs directly lifted from songs off of Nothing).
If you listen to something like War you can hear how unique Meshuggah was even in their early days, as that song was written back in 1989 if I remember correctly, and yet put bands like Death and Slayer to shame in terms of heaviness.
All I know is there is a huge difference from the old to new. The old just sounds very thrashey metallicaey. lol I agree most Djent that kids are trying to pass today is pretty lame. Anyone can play the same string skip shape hundreds of times in a row and it bums me out. Most music genres are doing that anymore. The pool has become stagnant and its really bumming me out.
As far as being unique, Meshuggah is one of the most that have emerged in the metal world and my hat is off.
Spencer gets super pissed at the end, losing the melody and submitting to the RAGEEE. Lmao xD
CarpeNoctem12 4 days ago
thall up the djent-o-sphere music sucks
SplashOfVomit 5 days ago
I feel like Periphery are the trolls here, and Meshuggah is mad, bro.
xChemicalSerenity 2 weeks ago
This is ridiculous topic. Meshuggah invented all these "djent" bands that get born 1000 a day. Simply put - no Meshuggah, no Periphery. Whew that was easy. And all this djent hype resembles the nu metal one from a decade ago. Relax, wait a year or two and the djent kids with 100000-string guitars all sounding the same, will disappear faster than they've popped. While Meshuggah make timeless music, not related to any genre hype, so they are here to stay.
snupcho 1 month ago 4
@snupcho Well it's ridiculous to turn Djent into a genre to be honest. Good thing Periphery isn't a "Djent" band, at least not self proclaimed, they deny that djent is a genre and have never called themselves as such. Periphery is making new, interesting music, Meshuggah is great but it isn't really that different from most other metal, other than maybe being better. I'm getting a little tired of both sides with their polorised views, wish I'd never asked which "the winner" was.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
@WTFDSDT Oh man, be honest. Don't try to tell me Periphery are not Meshuggah heavily influenced, just like AAL, Vidjharta and tones of other followers of the 8-string sound and syncopated 4/4 beat...which was brought to mainstream by Meshuggah. Where were all these band in 2005, or even in 2002? Because Meshuggah was already making 8-string albums by that time. Periphery is just having the Meshuggah sound developed in a more melodic way, that's all. Nothing that much genial or special.
snupcho 1 month ago
@snupcho Please, I would not deny that, periphery don't they admit they're influenced by them, but as a meshuggah fan to be all entitled about it almost to the degree where it's almost like you think they might as well have produced periphery's work and claim it's basically the same thing is like claiming that birds existence comes from horses and are basically the same animal.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
@snupcho Everyone knows periphery are meshuggah influenced the words Djent came from Misha Mansoor Describing frederiks Tone and he said it was Djent'y loads of people just took the words as something eles. and before you start talking about bands with 10000 strings remember meshuggah use 8 periphery use 7.
barret707 2 weeks ago
Reality>Dreams
Dreams are fun, though.
MercilessShred 1 month ago
@MercilessShred lol
SuperStevebarnes 1 month ago
i love the end... DREAM!
phreestylesk8r 1 month ago
I favor reality(Meshuggah). lol
Sikthkid 1 month ago
Djreams
ScreamoRules96 1 month ago
How do the comments on this fucking awesome (on so many levels) video get so self-righteous and opinionated? Im still laughing.
perfecteye18 1 month ago
@perfecteye18 Hey thanks man.
I try and delete all the ones that are pure BS.
But I don't like deleting any of the more bullshit ones if they've been remotly reasonable about it. maybe I should delete more comments, not sure.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
Why do people hate him? Because he whines, and bitches whine. And metalheads arent bitches.
Cruentus903 1 month ago
@Cruentus903
What are you talking about?
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
@WTFDSDT I dont like his voice because it's whiny and overproduced. Also I saw them live and he was pretty bad....
Cruentus903 1 month ago
@Cruentus903 Oh right you mean whiny as in the subjective tone of his voice, fair enough but you didn't really need to come here to say that.
But at somepoints i sympathise with the overproduced side of your comments, this year the two albums they're recording will use no tuning so that should be helped. I saw them live, spencer was okay (he had a chest infection and diarreha, so props to him.) but the microphone was half broken.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
Im one of those who only listens to the instrumentals. Ill always give him another shot on the new album, but whiny vocals are not purely subjective. Metal as an ever changing genre goes through changes to be sure, but whining as a verb is something that is generally considered annoying by most. Metal was known to have something of a tough additude to it, and it a whiny frontman just wrecks that. Unfortunatly it seems to be more prevolent in modern metal.
Cruentus903 1 month ago
@Cruentus903
I wouldn't pin this on modern metal personally, and how someone defines whiny vocals is pretty subjective. In my opinion Megadeth vocals sound whiny. To each their own my friend, sorry they're not making what you want to hear but I'm sure there's plenty of other bands out there doing just that. :)
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
@WTFDSDT No, I am insisting that there is an adjective known as whining, and that it applies to music as well. Whining has a certain connotation that I did not invent. I wouldnt argue with you about megadeath. It's a nasal sound. Periphery has a poor vocalist from what I've seen. Hands down. He just doesnt seem to be a very good singer, or growler for that matter. Im not saying all nasal vocalists suck, but it is often frowned upon, and for a legitimate reason.
Cruentus903 1 month ago
@Cruentus903
Well again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
@WTFDSDT You'd consider him a good singer? Really? I got high standards, Ill admit, but the guy couldnt even hit pitches on stage.
Cruentus903 1 month ago
@Cruentus903 Yeah of course I would, I've heard him demonstrate vocals in person, (as in not on stage) Remarkable talent. But you're not going to slay it every show when you were touring as hard as they have toured most of their young career, spence is inexperienced and through almost the entire first UK tour they were all ill, pretty sure they had overstrained themselves for most of their touring.
WTFDSDT 1 month ago
I dont care how good a singer he is in person if he cant pull it off either on stage OR in the studio. While clean it's almost like hes trying to mimic an autotuner ALL the time, judging by the several live performances I just watched, I think he must be using one quite a lot in the studio. Good versatile vocalists, Freddie Mercury, Mikael Akerfeldt, Gray Maynard, Marco Hietala. They adjust to the music behind them. Spence doesnt seem to be able to do that.
Cruentus903 1 month ago
THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS
ShreddinThrash 1 month ago
LMFAO!!
5etherial 2 months ago
Meshuggah destroys all... dreams and reality aside... fuck the world!
siclysatisfied 2 months ago
lol
chronicriffer 2 months ago
funny video.Periphery=awesome.Spencer ruins nothing.Some people only think you can have sreaming growling shit with this style of music. They can't see how much more amazing good vocals like HIS really makes it. i would rather listen to Periphery than pretty much any other metal/djent group because of his style and range. You can enjoy the intense crazy metal + just chill out and listen to it without annoying monontonous growly shit. Anyone who dislikes his vox.. please show me something better.
deadneck69 2 months ago 4
@deadneck69 thanks, man.
WTFDSDT 2 months ago
@deadneck69 Amen brother! I mean, i like gowls and stuff alot. But Spencer fits so perfect to the sound of Periphery. It sound kinda fresh. It's not that he sings and screams like every Metalcore/whateverthefuck-Band. He just sound different and got an amazing range. Also he can scream very well!
HeavyDude3000 2 months ago
Spencer FTW
ravenFF32 2 months ago
I like Meshuggah. They keep it real.
Gio2009 2 months ago 5
LOL @ Periphery apologists.
largemoose 2 months ago
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largemoose 2 months ago
i dont understand...why does everybody hate Spencer's vocals?! Best fucking vocals ive ever heard!
TheColon3Face 2 months ago 8
@TheColon3Face And he's only getting better. :)
WTFDSDT 2 months ago 2
WIN WIN!
goatencopyrighted 2 months ago
Both bands are awesome. Meshuggah is far more technically skilled though, I think we all can agree on that.
draugsvoll01 2 months ago
@draugsvoll01 oh hell yea but periphery is EXTREMELY young they've got a long way to go. im really just talking about each one of them as artists but we'll see how far they go as a band
a7xbfmv23 2 months ago
REALITY!
AcidSh33tz 2 months ago 2
@AcidSh33tz DREAMS!
MyxHarnett 2 months ago 2
Meshuggah seems like the prototype for modern metal these days.
Trippinhighman 2 months ago
@Trippinhighman Not really a bad thing, ain't it?
Eukatheude 2 months ago
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@Eukatheude
Not at all. I love Meshuggah, that's why I said it. People don't seem to realize just how much of an influence that band has had on all the new shit coming out.
Trippinhighman 2 months ago
@Eukatheude It is considering the majority of the bands coming out now are literally copying Meshuggah and Periphery.
Tyrantarmy 2 months ago
dang how many times does he say that periphery only has one album ha
phreestylesk8r 2 months ago
meshuggah wins. flawless victory
haproductions01 3 months ago
While both bands presented relevant arguments, it is my personal opinion that Meshuggah stuck to the facts while Periphery tended to appeal to emotion to prove some of their points.
Reality wins.
Odieandgarfield 3 months ago 4
WE ARE THE TEA
walrussalad 3 months ago
I'd go with Dreams, but Meshuggah is the better band.
paddymoep 3 months ago
Boys vs Men
Andrexthor 3 months ago
Dreality.
MitchReitmanOnDrums 3 months ago 29
@MitchReitmanOnDrums Mind=Blown
Cardandvidyagaems 2 months ago
spencer is fucking amazing. period.
djentlekat 3 months ago 5
lololololololzzz!
totaluntruth 3 months ago
I love Periphery and Meshuggah and i enjoyed the vid.
DanShusterCM 3 months ago 5
...i like both... i dont really care if anyone disagrees with me, cause thats their opinion, and if they dont like spencer, it doesnt matter, cause it doesnt look like he's leaving, and the opinion of someone on youtube probably wont get him to leave either
leetsmithownsu 3 months ago
I must say, Spencer ruins the entire mood of their songs. Every time I hear they're Instumentals, I'm just sooo in to it, and then they're emo-sounding singer kicks in and ruins it. Fuck Periphery, They'd be better off as an instrumental band.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 Fuck Periphery? Fuck you. Just listen to the instrumentals and stop hating if that's the case.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
@WTFDSDT Kinda hard when spencer is "singing" over it. Lol, butthurt Periphery fan.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 You completly missed my point.
Listen to the instrumental release, I'm not talking about ignoring his vocals.
And I didn't say that because I'm butthurt but because It makes you a pissy little ingrate to insult a band because they're not making music you like, especially when they HAVE made music you like.
Lol, misinformed person.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago 24
@WTFDSDT Lol... whatever you say man... I do have the instumental.... Just saying, they need to kick that guy out... so they can start ACTUALLY releasing good shit.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 I feel the same way about Meshuggah :P
TheTyrynir 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 I believe he does match the mood, and his voice is very good. You have to realize the talent in this band, each and every member brings a major part of Periphery together. My favorite members has got to be
Matt, because his sound is just amazing and he's so fluid, Misha and the others are equally as good and bring their own talents to the table, like the interludes that Jake does between the songs, Misha and Alex/Mark's creativity. Tom's grooves that will be missed. It's all there
Kenji20022 3 months ago 2
@AndyDrew003 And I believe Spencer adds the last bit of expression that the songs, in my opinion need. Music can only do so much on it's own, but the lyrics add a whole other layer of interpretation to the music. Technically, Spencer has a range that compliments the bands music very much, that's why I don't think Casey would have been a good fit. Like during the end of Buttersnips when he's singing the really high note at the end, there's so much sound coming out but Spence holds his own.
Kenji20022 3 months ago 2
@AndyDrew003 To simply call Spencer an Emo sounding singer is extremely degrading more than anything else. The dude has talent and that's something you can't deny. Misha has said this before to people like you saying that, they're not an instrumental band, if you want instrumental look somewhere else and deal with it.
Oh and fuck you for your ignorant opinion.
Kenji20022 3 months ago 2
@Kenji20022 ignorant? lmao. listen to hawthorn heights or some shit like that and the vocals are pretty much the same. Degrading? you bet your ass its degrading! probably the most degrading thing to happen to metal in a long time. so glad you see my point. Ignorance would mean I didn't even listen to it AND THEN said he sounds like a sing for some emo band.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 Find another singer that would fit Periphery, because they've never been an instrumental band. Bulb may have had his ideas, but Periphery was always supposed to have a singer. I mean besides Devin Townsend I don't think anyone else could really fit the mood to these songs, and you're the reason the metal scene is dying, not like I care really. Last conversation I had with a metal head involved Dying Fetus, and me walking away from the conversation with less faith in humanity.
Kenji20022 3 months ago
@Kenji20022 Devin Townsend is an amazing vocalist... simply amazing, The metal scene is dying due to the over population of hyper-mass-cloned "core" bands. one copy after another after another after another. these bands need to find their own sound. Periphery does have a good sound, (I was just trying to get a rise out of the periphery fans) put toooo many are trying this so called "djent" style. hey people... meshuggah did that already, its time to try something new.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 I agree with you in that sense, and yeah man Devin is the man! Love everything he even graces. And Djent is a joke, it's just progressive metal with a certain tone, and people act like it's the sound of the heavens when it's clearly not. The fact that I was listening to Meshuggah on campus the other day at my college, and some kid asked me if I listen to Djent. I humored him, and he got a bit excited and asked if I listen to Attack Attack, and Asking Alexandria. I walked away haha
Kenji20022 3 months ago
@Kenji20022 Definitely hate Attack attack, and asking alexandria. but if your opinion still stands that I'm the reason for metal dying...whatever. but in my opinion, as long as there's people still listening to "old school" bands, then metal will always have something to base itself off of. without that original sound, metal would never head in any direction at all. if that older sound disappears, then we'd only have the new trends to work off of and we'd be screwed.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 I just don't like the crusader like attitude of cutting down everything in your wake if it doesn't sound the way you want them to. And we'll never lose old influences, perhaps future generations might because modern metal is becoming more prominent. Kids of the next generation will look at bands like Metallica, and Megadeth, with the same type of feeling kids of this generation apply to bands like steely dan, and allan holds worth. Hold on to your influences is all I gotta say
Kenji20022 3 months ago
@Kenji20022 Agreed. Completely.
AndyDrew003 3 months ago
@Kenji20022 Uh....the singer they had before? Chris Barreto had some badass growls and really gave some depth to the heavy parts of their songs. Spencer's just too monotone for me during his screaming, and his singing is pretty whiny. They could easily improve.
whizafriz 2 months ago
@AndyDrew003 Fuck you, I love spencer
DrummerX77 3 months ago
@AndyDrew003 First off...there, their, and they're all have different meanings. Use correct grammar if you want your opinions to be credible. Second..."emo-sounding singer.." What does that even mean? Do you consider any vocalist that actually SINGS emo?
CFis22 2 months ago 2
@DontPieceMe221
they were an instrumental band at first. but they felt it didn't feel complete without vocals. they released an album with spencer and released it instrumentally to because indeed that's what people were most used to. Spencer is an amazing vocalist and i snowhere near bad. live he had some difficulties but that's normal, the level of diffiulty of the singing parts is incredible but he is getting better and better. stop complaining.
alexAENESIDEManders 3 months ago
wow fuck the spencer haters
senchro 3 months ago
reality untouchable
acidbath32 3 months ago
@DontPieceMe221 Is it weird then that I like his voice..? I mean, they could do a hell of a lot worse. They could get that whiny fucker who does the clean vocals in every single post-hardcore band ever. That would be a lot worse.
851852093114208513 3 months ago
@851852093114208513 Not weird, we just have different tastes. And I agree that they could do a lot worse. I'm sure he'll improve too, but until that happens I'll stick to the instrumental versions.
DontPieceMe221 3 months ago
@DontPieceMe221
Well, obviously I don't speak for the band but it would seem to me like they realeased the instrumental because at that point that's what Periphery fans were most used to and well, to be fair Spencer was essentially at the begining of his career then and I've heard them say that "he's got SO much potential" and that "he's improved SO much" over this last year or so and I would agree, I still argue he could not be considered bad in the first place.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
picball39 3 months ago
Lolololol guyzzz I'm a misunderstood 13 year old teenager and singing doesn't belong in metal and it's gay.
There's nothing wrong with singing so stop being so close minded. Spencer fuckin' rocks it too.
HadsRocks 3 months ago 2
Jens Kidman > other dude
antonio610 3 months ago 2
spencer isfucking good, because he actuallysingstoo
gotdjerking 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
vampirebuster666 3 months ago
REALITY...
dreeeeeeeams...
Awesome.
mikuspalmis 3 months ago
Meshuggah is the winner, simply because they are perhaps Periphery's main inspiration.
No Meshuggah, no Periphery as we know them.
No Meshuggah, no tonnesofotherbands as we knoe them.
No Meshuggah, no djent.
pinguferrari 3 months ago
Periphery: Musicians = Win, Spencer = FAIL! FUCKING FAIL!
Meshuggah: Musicians = Win, Jens = Win + Badass + Plays guitar
Feel free to add and defend Spencer if you must. MUAHAHA!
Freezaen 3 months ago
@Freezaen
I'm interested to know why you think spencer fails.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago 17
@WTFDSDT His voice is really annoying, sounds choked/nose/too high for cleans and sounds like he has shitloads of snot in his throat for growls (if you can call them that). I know it sounds like hate, but it isn't, he gets to sing with periphery, koodos to him. That being said, they could ahve a MUCH better vocalist, maybe something along the lines of The Contortionist's singer who has very nice, smooth cleans and Scarry fuckin' growls.
Freezaen 3 months ago
@Freezaen Listen to him in Passenger by Haunted Shores.
ARKAEA33 3 months ago
@Freezaen Truth is, I really like Spencer, but now I'm intrigued to hear Periphery with The Contortionist's vocalist, because yes, he's also awesome!
YocoN 3 months ago
@WTFDSDT Me too! I'm not a huge fan of his vocals for aesthetic reasons (IMO they're a little "screamo" sounding in places, I guess?). But I still think he's *really* talented anyway.
AeonsOfFrost 3 months ago
@WTFDSDT Because he sings. Attn Djent bands: STOP SINGING.
worldsbiggestjosh 3 months ago
@WTFDSDT Because he's in Periphery.
BeDjentleAZ 3 months ago
@BeDjentleAZ Derp?
WTFDSDT 3 months ago 3
@WTFDSDT Well I can see that you're obviously 13 years old so I'm gonna go and be an dult somewhere else.
BeDjentleAZ 3 months ago
@BeDjentleAZ Actually I'm 19.
Maturity is knowing when immaturity is acceptable. Grow up.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
@WTFDSDT Yes I need to grow up when you're the one quoting internet memes at a total stranger. Game. Set. Match. Later bro.
BeDjentleAZ 3 months ago
@BeDjentleAZ Obviously you do, since you apparently cannot read.
Oh and to adopt your tactic FULL STOP, END OF STORY LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING. :')
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
@Freezaen Spencer doesn't fail. His voice goes up like an angel and down like a wounded ox! D:
bloodfang100 3 months ago
@Freezaen I don't care much for either of their vocalists haha
TheIndignation 3 months ago
@Freezaen Spencer puts more emphasis on melody than Jens. That means Spencer wins.
JeffroTheMan1 3 months ago
@Freezaen Agreed. Spencer = Can't sing, can't scream. Meshuggah = Constant win!
defeiticeira 3 months ago
@Freezaen Impying Spencer isn't a musician.
HeWhoAbides2011 3 months ago
Damn you didnt get it..
Meshuggah doesn't care about dreams cuz:
THEY ARE THE TEA!
GalaxyB666 3 months ago
Lmao awesome
Hheawy 3 months ago
i like both bands, not gonna lie, but i quite like Periphery because its one of very few bands that i can show to anyone, read it, ANYONE, and they will enjoy it. the clean vocals make it more acceptable in the mainstream; normally people are super tight-assed and close minded about any music with screaming in it. basically it's a lot easier to get your girlfriend into Periphery then Meshuggah, so i find myself listening to way less 'Shuggah and way more Periphery nowadays.. :/
MrFoxtrot898 3 months ago
@MrFoxtrot898 dont take the easy path dude! go listen to some Brain Drill or something!
petecairns6 3 months ago
lmao!!..there is no argument...shuggah is WAY better than pussy ass sounding periphery...the drums are better..the guitars...lol//pleaze.....singer..lmao..shuggahs hardcore raw screams and deep vocals vs. peripherys ladylike singer.....SHUGGAH STOMPS RIPHERY ALL FUCKING DAY LONG!!!!!..MESHUGGAH IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD BITCH!!!!!!!!..THEN COMES VILDHJARTA!!!!!
Deadnsd 3 months ago
REALITY!!!
horriblequin 3 months ago
dreams are reality. derp.
thedearpsychonaut 3 months ago
hahaha
blondninja100 3 months ago
i think Dreams wins. It's much better than Reality
Element115fl 3 months ago
MESHUGGAH!! Periphery does not belong here! BURN IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!!
2PlayDead 3 months ago
@2PlayDead You listen to Oasis. Therefore, you are not allowed an opinion.
MyNutsAreCold 3 months ago
@MyNutsAreCold
I don't know man, I wouldn't usually deny anyone their right to an opinion.
Maybe I'd make an exception for Korn or System of a Down fans.... oh and Nickleback fans...
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
@MyNutsAreCold Do you think I can honestly take any of your statement(s) seriously with your username? What's wrong with Oasis? This music was hardly even around when Oasis were, ya dickhead.
2PlayDead 3 months ago
@2PlayDead it's "kill it with fire", and periphery is amazing, you can't deny how groovy they are. just because they have singing doesn't make them any less talented that Meshuggah.
Element115fl 3 months ago
@Element115fl Goddamn it, why is it SOOOOOO hard to accept another person's opposite opinion? Periphery's instrumental work is good, yeah, but the vocals are god-awful. I mean, I don't understand why Periphery have him in the band- that pisses me off. There's no way you can't tell me that Meshuggah is less talented. Anyways, my point is that I'm not pissed because you say that my opinion is "wrong", I'm pissed because you think you are able to change it.
2PlayDead 3 months ago
@2PlayDead Well if it isn't Mr. Close-minded! <3
YocoN 3 months ago
@2PlayDead ..periphery tries to MIMIC shuggah...agree w/ bout the vocalist...if they changed the singer from a lil bitch to a real wicked hard vocalist they would shut up.....i cant bring my self to listen to a full song..the singer ruins it every time.....if your in the usa its your constitutional right to your opinion...if someone else doesnt like it..they can go fuck themselfs or go back to their pos communistic country.
Deadnsd 3 months ago
@Deadnsd You nailed it right on the head! :P
2PlayDead 3 months ago
@Deadnsd the best thing about periphery is that they issued an instrumental version of their album :D personally i find the singing unbearable, so instrumental makes it all better!
petecairns6 3 months ago
@petecairns6
I can accept "The singing isn't to my taste" but to find it unbearable? guy's a fucking incredibly talented vocalist.
But I admit it took me time to warm to it, when I first heard the demos with vocals i was like "It's good, but ehhh i'm not sure..." at that point I did prefer the instrumentals.
WTFDSDT 3 months ago
@petecairns6 mmm really??? could you point me in that direction...thnx
Deadnsd 3 months ago
@Element115fl Btw..... Where did he get those singing lessons that allow him to sing and suck at the same time?
2PlayDead 3 months ago
@2PlayDead its you opinion. he's actually a great singer. i happen to think Messhugah's screamer sucks ass. by thats my personal opinion too.
Element115fl 3 months ago
I love both, Meshuggah started the movement, and others are inspired.. thus more fucking incredible riffs for all of us... fucking love it... Got Djent?
jimmylanier 4 months ago
@contractortwobitz rational gaze ftw
musicguitarlessons 4 months ago
Most people don't know how to djent right.
YourZabbas 4 months ago
Reality FTW!
madderbass 4 months ago 2
I like juice
Finish your juice
Filtered Vitamin substance
ContractorTwobitz 4 months ago
Maybe Periphery is like Freddy Krueger and Meshuggah is like Jason Voorhees? There is your Dreams vs Reality. lol
SprayXcheesE 4 months ago
So who won?
faselblaDer3te 4 months ago
@faselblaDer3te
I like to think they both won.
WTFDSDT 4 months ago 21
@faselblaDer3te We did. We get the awesome music. DUH!
helios5868 3 months ago
Genre: "Djent"
Genre Description: Various bands who have emerged in the past 3-6 years seeing who can be the best at ripping off what Meshuggah's been doing for 15 years.
Nubnut 4 months ago
@Nubnut
Didnt meshuggah start as a thrashey band that sounded almost exactly like metallica? No offense by that I love meshuggah to death.
SprayXcheesE 4 months ago
@SprayXcheesE They definitely had Metallica influence but they didn't sound that much like them (where as with most Djent bands you can listen to just about any of their songs and hear some riffs directly lifted from songs off of Nothing).
If you listen to something like War you can hear how unique Meshuggah was even in their early days, as that song was written back in 1989 if I remember correctly, and yet put bands like Death and Slayer to shame in terms of heaviness.
Nubnut 4 months ago
@Nubnut
All I know is there is a huge difference from the old to new. The old just sounds very thrashey metallicaey. lol I agree most Djent that kids are trying to pass today is pretty lame. Anyone can play the same string skip shape hundreds of times in a row and it bums me out. Most music genres are doing that anymore. The pool has become stagnant and its really bumming me out.
As far as being unique, Meshuggah is one of the most that have emerged in the metal world and my hat is off.
SprayXcheesE 4 months ago
reality :D
daviddaimary7734 4 months ago
This made me laugh so much :')))
mysteriousfantasy24 4 months ago
What an interesting argudjent. Yes, I went there.
JaketheSnakeESP 4 months ago 19
compared to meshuggah, periphery is a cock sucking faggot. Word.
mcufre 4 months ago 3
Reality.
planetpiss17 4 months ago
reality!
kirkpazdzioch 4 months ago
whats the meshuggah song at 0:11
CORNP00 4 months ago
@CORNP00 'Elastic' on Chaosphere.
klojinum 4 months ago
they represent both sides of a drug trip. First vivid dreaming then harsh painful reality
EuMilo 4 months ago
meshuggah song at 0:07?
MrDudeface23 4 months ago
meshuggah won lol
SchecterDimondSeries 4 months ago
They needed the last "reality" from War (Rare Trax)!!!
Aidan6496 4 months ago
Reminds me of Romantism/Baroco VS Classicism
AzafreakSM 4 months ago
What are the names of the meshuggah songs?
Sludgeg0re 4 months ago
WE ALL LIKE TEA!
ParagonofReality 4 months ago 3
Reality will always concuer, sooner or later you will have to face it >:)
BenjaminKuruga 4 months ago
@BenjaminKuruga DREAMS
Sidepiece2 4 months ago
@Sidepiece2 REALITY
BenjaminKuruga 4 months ago
@BenjaminKuruga I heart u.
Sidepiece2 4 months ago
@Sidepiece2 <3
BenjaminKuruga 4 months ago
I always wondered how a periphery and meshuggah tour would be....
StaulkHolm 4 months ago
@StaulkHolm A dream within a dream. Dreamception or reality within reality. Realityception.
DrTabarnak 4 months ago
Meshuggah is swedish.. They win.
Galendramatik 4 months ago