@ixijmackixi If we count crotches/ quarter notes, the 4-count has triplet subdivisions, whereas the 3-count has semiquaver subdivisions. There are 12 subdivisions pr. cycle (measure). Both counts are initiated at the first beat, at the 12 o'clock position and merge again at the 13th, 25th, 37th, .. etc. subbeat, which all represent the first beat of a new cycle.
It's true that basic polyrhythms played together create their own rhythmic "sound pattern". It is also true that if you do this on a drum or a table you will be playing 3 and 4 at the same time. ( you can do it with any of them 5&4-3&2-7&4 even 11) However YOU the musician are not hearing it as a polyrhythm until you can separate the rhythms in your head. In order to do this you need to be able to count each rhythm separately while both are playing at the same time. Then you are in a polyrhythm.
@drumsstop Thanks for your comment and, well, that may all be correct, it is a matter of definition. I didn't necessarily offer the presentation in order to live up to the that understanding of polyrhythm, but I did supply the counts as well at the palm of the hands.
@skyelof Yes and you did a fine job. This is a very interesting visual concept of a basic polyrhythmic structure .Yours of course is: 3over4 = 3/4 to 1. (1to1= 4/4) There are actually four more "consonant" , basic, poly-metric structures. (including this one) the others are: 3over2 = 1&1/2 to1- 5over4 = 1&1/4 to1 - 7over4= 1&3/4 to1 and 8over4 = 2 to1 ( or double the original tempo) Like yours above, they all have their own unique rhythmic "sound pattern" when both are played at the same time.
@drumsstop Thanks! Whether it is 3 over 4 or 4 over 3 in this context depends on which of the counting bases you chose.
Apparently what you call 'consonant' are the meters with the 2- or 4-division as the base, but one of the reasons to present polyrhythms (-meter) this way is that our notation is somewhat deficient. In the tonal range the ratio 3:5 is more consonant than 4:7 but the notation and reading becomes rather obscure.
So far I have animated more of the various types in Danish.
It is not exactly a metronome but a very simple animation composed by a number of normal image files put together in Windows Moviemaker and accompagnied by a sound track of saw tooth wawes generated in the sound editing program Audacity.
@rstueckle Yes, there are many word strings which may lead you into polyrhythm. Your example and the more commonly used "pass the golden butter" (and "what atrocious weather") have in common that they emphasize the 3-layer. The advantage of the presentation above is that you can freely shift from one feeling to the other. And do feel free to substitute my strings! I have made a broader variety for other polyrhythms in danish. If you come up with good strings, do let me know!
I'm confused...I thought they match up back together at the 12 measure, not at the end of each one...
ixijmackixi 5 days ago
@ixijmackixi If we count crotches/ quarter notes, the 4-count has triplet subdivisions, whereas the 3-count has semiquaver subdivisions. There are 12 subdivisions pr. cycle (measure). Both counts are initiated at the first beat, at the 12 o'clock position and merge again at the 13th, 25th, 37th, .. etc. subbeat, which all represent the first beat of a new cycle.
skyelof 5 days ago
Nice work mate. I look forward to more
diamondtreez 3 weeks ago
Pass the God damn butter.
JackEgan24 1 month ago 3
Famous example of polyrhythm: Thela Hun Ginjeet, by King Crimson. 7/8 time played against 4/4 time.
progrockcoffee 2 months ago
cool i got it down
equallyeasilyfuqyou 2 months ago
thank you so much for this! Helped me so much with my polyrhythym tapping practice. Hard stuff, but it'll be worth it when I get it down.
clanbigger4 3 months ago
It's true that basic polyrhythms played together create their own rhythmic "sound pattern". It is also true that if you do this on a drum or a table you will be playing 3 and 4 at the same time. ( you can do it with any of them 5&4-3&2-7&4 even 11) However YOU the musician are not hearing it as a polyrhythm until you can separate the rhythms in your head. In order to do this you need to be able to count each rhythm separately while both are playing at the same time. Then you are in a polyrhythm.
drumsstop 3 months ago 2
@drumsstop Thanks for your comment and, well, that may all be correct, it is a matter of definition. I didn't necessarily offer the presentation in order to live up to the that understanding of polyrhythm, but I did supply the counts as well at the palm of the hands.
skyelof 3 months ago
@skyelof Yes and you did a fine job. This is a very interesting visual concept of a basic polyrhythmic structure .Yours of course is: 3over4 = 3/4 to 1. (1to1= 4/4) There are actually four more "consonant" , basic, poly-metric structures. (including this one) the others are: 3over2 = 1&1/2 to1- 5over4 = 1&1/4 to1 - 7over4= 1&3/4 to1 and 8over4 = 2 to1 ( or double the original tempo) Like yours above, they all have their own unique rhythmic "sound pattern" when both are played at the same time.
drumsstop 3 months ago
@drumsstop Thanks! Whether it is 3 over 4 or 4 over 3 in this context depends on which of the counting bases you chose.
Apparently what you call 'consonant' are the meters with the 2- or 4-division as the base, but one of the reasons to present polyrhythms (-meter) this way is that our notation is somewhat deficient. In the tonal range the ratio 3:5 is more consonant than 4:7 but the notation and reading becomes rather obscure.
So far I have animated more of the various types in Danish.
skyelof 3 months ago
Cool, it would've been better if each rhythm had a different sound though
TheNuncFluens 5 months ago 6
where did you get this polyrhythm metronome?? looks like the best one ive seen yet
shredrix 9 months ago
@shredrix Thanks for your appreciation!
It is not exactly a metronome but a very simple animation composed by a number of normal image files put together in Windows Moviemaker and accompagnied by a sound track of saw tooth wawes generated in the sound editing program Audacity.
skyelof 9 months ago 3
@skyelof damn ahaha im horrible with computers :P, just got into polyrhythms not too long ago and this is an excellent tool:D
shredrix 9 months ago
@shredrix Welcome!
skyelof 9 months ago
This is virtually hypnosis. "Brain Training" at it's fundamental level. I'll be watching this a few times a day :D
boswell255 9 months ago
awesome, thanks so much, i have been struggling with this for years !!!!!
futebol13 1 year ago
"Eat the goddamn spinach"
rstueckle 1 year ago 8
@rstueckle Yes, there are many word strings which may lead you into polyrhythm. Your example and the more commonly used "pass the golden butter" (and "what atrocious weather") have in common that they emphasize the 3-layer. The advantage of the presentation above is that you can freely shift from one feeling to the other. And do feel free to substitute my strings! I have made a broader variety for other polyrhythms in danish. If you come up with good strings, do let me know!
skyelof 1 year ago
Yes,this is realy good for those who have no idia what the polytythm is! Very good demonstation
Neversinging 1 year ago
Real cool way to train polyrythms, thanks for uploading!
MaxwellMurderx7 1 year ago