US Iraq troop deal "crushing defeat" for Bush

[wrldeye12]

the "REEL" news

[1chichimec1]

now he IS a "lame duck!"

[albti]

Bush is great man.

[jaheira2016]

yeah, for puting the US in the shit-hole and affecting other countries while hes added

~~Very worried Canadian

[Lingus4]

Another left wing wank-fest news? I think this has been done already. Try the msm.

[mogilny89p]

This is a brillant opportunity to get these cowards and murderers out of your country. Do not make deals with the devil. Do not fear him either. Nothing could be worse than their influence. They are death itself.

[ubuibiok]

Why, because the Cheney Oil Deal is more important and it will fall apart if the US Government pulls back to soon.

[thomasst2]

I agree. The Bush administration had 3 objectives. 1) Iraq oil sales reverted from Euros back to dollars, 2) An oil deal for our oil companies to take over part of the oil industry to profit from and control Iraq's oil, and 3) continued US presence to establish control of Iraq and contingency for overthrow of the Iranian Govt to enact objectives 1 and 2.

[Plutonwolf]

Don't forget the coldly calculated re-election strategy. He saw what happened to daddy Bush when the Iraq war wrapped up too quick and he saw that Afghanistan was moving along way too quick so he needed a nice long conflict. He knew American voters never vote out a war Pres. What a cold blooded cunt he is, dead soldiers equaled electoral votes. And he had no problem with that math.

[GreatSatan1]

I always love these totally bogus videos.

All the people who come here to comment are so transparently rehearsed.

It is funny.

[Eudoxio80]

How is killing innocent people making the world safer? Wouldn't it generate more anger against the USA and help the uprise of more terrorism? Why are people so afraid of people 5,000 miles away? Did you know that in the USA more than 40,000 people die in car accidents each year? Does that mean that people should be scare of driving or riding in cars?

"Do not do onto others that which you would not have them do onto you"

How can any Christian support wars? Jesus said "Love your enemies".

[thomasst2]

This has nothing to do with making the world safer or religion. The US/UK are merely trying to duplicate what it did from 1909 to 1979 when the Anglo-Iranian Oil and Standard Oil companies controlled 90% of Iran's and Iraq's oil and 50% of Saudi Arabia's. Saudi Arabia proved to be a reliable client state, so we relinquished control in the 70's. However GEN Qassem in 61 and Saddam in 1972 took back control and the Iranians also in 1979. The US/UK have been trying to retake the oil ever since.

[abram730]

What Eudoxio80 doesn't understand is that it is those who profit from wars are those who terrorise and scare Americans.

Presuppose you want control of the oil in Iraq.

Now think of the question "How do you get a Democracy to go to war?"

now watch this with the question in mind

watch?v=d3xlb6_0OEs

If China didn't need dollars for oil outsourcing is harder. thus Eminent threat, because how many would lay down their life for oil corp profits and to outsource American Jobs?

[thomasst2]

Since the 1890's, under expansions of the Monroe and Roosevelt doctrines, the US has taken steps to monopolize the world's resources thru bank/corporate invasion into foreign markets. The CIA/MI6/military support dictators, who allow access and overthrow those who don't. In addition, oil sales in only dollars protects it as the world reserve currency and ensures the world buys our debt, invests in our companies or sells goods to get dollars to fund our consumption without using our resources.

[thomasst2]

Control of global resources (particularly energy) ensures massive corporate profits, cheap and continued US public consumption, constant support of our currency and economy (no matter how bad it gets) and geopolitical dominance through extortion for favorable UN/IC votes and "coalitions". It all adds up to attempting to maintain the US as the lone dominant power for years to come (UK gets some on the side too).

[crosshillchris]

I hope we have learned our lesson regarding the limits of military power and the appetite of the world for our brand of democracy. We were so naive and stupid in our view of the world to think people would forget their ethnic differences that are thousands of years old to embrace our world view. How stupid we must seem to the world. The verdict is in, war is not the answer.

[DillonX]

The surge did not work.

It's intent was to get the Iraq Parliment to go along w/ what Bush/Cheney wanted.

And it's failing even though I understand many millions have been paid in bribes.

[Toxxic88]

Great video!

[2PacChopra]

GOOD MORNING!!!!

The NWO system is so greatly compromised currently

that the truth will become known on many fronts.

A new generation shines light on fallacious regimes

[dolsdc]

I think it's an insult to soldiers to believe they can't be on their best behavior while outside the base. Just don't f up and you won't have to worry about being judged in the Iraq judicial system. It's about time Iraq take their country's welfare into their own hands.

[Novactic]

Obama WILL take out the american soldiers as long as the economy crise in NY are regular again..

[Bredac]

Obama is not the answer, he will make problems worse

[RobBryan206]

Get American troop's out-of-Iraq NOW!

[josejloayza]

También le manifiesto que en este momento los Estados Unidos con todos los BILLONES QUE FABRICARON están en capacidad de comprar 3 veces más que hace 3 días en cualquier País del mundo, es decir pagando la misma cantidad de dólares se pueden llevar 3 veces más productos. Al Ecuador esto no afecta, no sólo por la Soberanía Alimentaria que tenemos sino porque nosotros gracias al DÓLAR somos igualmente más ricos como los Estados Unidos, pero ASI NO ME DA MUCHA FELICIDAD.

[ManufacturedThoughts]

Black Water = Corporate Terrorism

[letsjom]

bank=jews

[Ariji86]

Bad news is, you, americans, will pay the debts and interest, which comes from the war.

war = profit for the banks.

[Bredac]

and those very banks are orchestrated the downfall of the global economy...stop blaming america and shift blame towards the Banksters.

[Trollmaster21]

So much for McCain wanting to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

And when asked if Iraq asked America to leave his answer was "they won't". Straight talk my butt.

[MooseOfReason]

This is good news!

Of course, when governments don't do what we tell them, we don't seem to mind taking them over.

Let's see what happens after the next election.

[blackiron60]

The United States has failed, but I doubt they possess the prudence to publicly recognize it and come to terms with it. The War on Terror will go on until they run themselves into the ground.

[pongman]

Thank goodness the Iraqi people can finally determine their own destiny. I say bring the troops home now. Why wait three more years? Mission accomplished and the Iraqi people got their country back and the US doesn't have to shed any more blood and waste any more money. Now we can fight the war on healthcare, pollution, education, jobs, energy, economy and infrastructure

[ls1z28chris]

Anyone who thinks the $10,000,000,000 a month we are spending in Iraq needs to be redirected back to America is unfamiliar with how we are financing this war. When I hear someone say, "That is money we could be spending on something else," that person instantly loses credibility.

[DICKcheneyMASTER]

If I was there right now, I would attack Israel with Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

[altfseven]

so you would hit them with a rope...? wear a helmet bro, i hear they throw rocks...

[squigglesy]

good luck finding those WMD's, the USA couldn't even be bothered to plant any

[danoking69]

TRUTH!! SHARE!! EXPOSE!!!

[dellsprospects22]

omg let them run their own country if they wanta go radical bonkers they'll suffer all on their own..bring the boys home NOW

[wcarlpdrysdale]

bring the boys back home

[klard]

wcarlpdrysdale: People who truly support the troops don't want the troops having their limbs and faces blown and killed for absolutely nothing. This war benefits only a small group of people who are just using it to screw the rest of the people.

[wcarlpdrysdale]

I'm with you

p.s. wont to see me drive a ((ron paul)) bumper sticker in to a water spout

check the Chanel

[charlessmyth]

Thousands of the Iraqi military were bombed who also happened to have cynically embedded themselves, under orders from Saddam, within the civilian population as a tactic to get the UN suitably panicked to demand a cease to hostilities after about 10 days. I suppose it could be argued the UN deserved to get blown up after the war. Iraq is deemed important as part of the ongoing Eurasian strategy, as per Zbigniew Brzezinski's 'Grand Chessboard' ponderings of 1997.

[DonkeyofHeaven]

"can you imagine what the confederates would do?"

I wish people would try to imagine just that! not even counting the number of dead, the magnitude of the displacement of the population is mind boggling. Imagine that half the people of the US South from Texas to Florida moved North or West or to Canada.

[Diganiga]

You guys should get an interview with Susan Modaress. She's a very intelligent and pretty well-known Iranian reporter.

[teddymarvelle]

if i had more than the meager $1.98 (my actual balance) in the bank i would donate money... if however there is anything else i can give let me know.. i have time and services to offer. t e d d y g u n 6 9 @ g m a i l . c o m

[wdcsucks1]

this is not an "administration", it is a gang of crooks!!!pure criminals and terrorists, not less then that!!!

[Felix1085]

A defeat for Bush is a victory for freedom loving people worldwide.

[itachi155]

amen

[titokawaru]

unpopular in USA and Iraq... who does want this war?

[charlessmyth]

Argument abounds about the wisdom or otherwise of invading Iraq. However, the Iraqi's were never prevented from using the opportunities presented by their liberation in order to improve their lives by way of the elected government and their own efforts. So far, their efforts have focused on killing each other including others stupid enough to offer assistance of blood and treasure.

[klard]

charlessmyth: I guess all of the millions of tons of bobs dropped on their country would be no impediment to just picking up where they were before they got bombed back to the stoneage.

[charlessmyth]

Prior to the so-called invasion, most Iraqis lived in near stone-age conditions, so were insignificantly worse off. Post liberation, many Iraqis seized the opportunity to loot government and private properties, which worsened matters. Millions of tons of bombs were not dropped, but that which was, was in accordance with international legislation, as you well know., Klard. And attempts to improve power and water were promptly sabotaged and contractors killed and their bodies hung from bridges.

[klard]

charlessmyth: You really believe those contractors who were killed were building contractors? They were military contractor from outfits like Blackwater who were working security and murdering people. Your comment has serious credibility problems.

[random0815]

absurd of course, they could leave the iraqis to their "own ineptitude" - just after they payed them the massive reparations for the destruction of the country in the illegal aggression, the earlier sanctions aso.

the us helped saddam against his own people, and what you leave behind now is simply a destroyed country, the us of course prevented all the efforts for an independent, democratic iraq because it would be a nightmare for its strategical interests

[charlessmyth]

Coalition force destroyed nothing of consequence, but constrained any destruction to that which is permitted by international obligations. Thus no power stations, water or water treatment infrastructure was destroyed, so no reparations were incurred. Saddam destroyed Iraq all by himself as part of an ongoing turf war, which he could have had the foresight and good sense to avoid. The US have to work with what they have to work with, and do not prevent the likes of Saddam from doing better.

[Warnomore50]

The interim government took all the oil profits that were being held up because of the sanctions and pissed it away with no accounting whatsoever. They might have had a better chance to make something of their opportunities if they did not start out broke.

[charlessmyth]

Saddam and his cohort cashed Iraq out and fled with billions in suitcases, so there was not much to fritter away by the interim government, and that which there was, was your tax money, not Iraq's earnings. Since then, any capable Iraqis have been driven out of Iraq to seek their fortunes elsewhere in the region, Europe and the US.

[Warnomore50]

Dead wrong. The UN was holding billions of Iraqi oil money which they turned over to the interim government.

[charlessmyth]

So what? Like the (mis)underestinmation of the impact of ethnic diversity, there was a bigger job to tackle than had been estimated. Too big for Iraqis to tackle, so outside consultants and contractors had to be paid at full western rates. And anything which was done, was promptly destroyed and/or stolen by Iraqis-cum-Ali Babas. Get over it, Warnomore50.

[Warnomore50]

Look at the receipts for that money and prove that is what happened. Oops there are no receipts.

[Warnomore50]

According to the United Nations web site they turned over 23 billion to the interim government.

[charlessmyth]

Given a population of 28,221,180 (July 2008 est.) for Iraq, $23-billion is $815.0 per head of pop. Hardly a princely sum, all things considered. A sense of proportion, please, even though $23-billion is a substrantial sum of money.

[Warnomore50]

Lets see first no money from the UN at all. Then it went to pay contractors. Now it was not enough to matter. Uniformed opinions are best kept around the water cooler at work if you express them on the internet you are likely to run across someone who actually knows what the fuck they are talking about.

[charlessmyth]

$23-billion is a lot of money to be concerned about. Iceland would be very grateful for it, right now. However, within the context of rebuilding Iraq which was, to all and intents and purposes bankrupt, it is not enough money to make into an issue. If you see what I mean. For Iraq to have a meaningful economy, even to the extent of Romania and/or Bulgaria, which are ranked highly impoverished, the money would have had to be at least $300-billion GDP.

[Linsteadite]

Its a good thing Iran starts to exert it's influence to end the illegal occupation.

[charlessmyth]

Ahmadinejad has dropped out of sight, feigning exhaustion, and Iran is almost bankrupt with no more than $7-billion in foreign reserves. Iran's influence is limited to fomenting subversion and instigating the undermining of Saudi Arabia via terrorism in alliance with Hamas and Hezbollah in order to claim preeminence for radical Islam.

[klard]

charlessmyth: How large is the United States foreign reserves? How many tens of trillions dollars in the red?

[charlessmyth]

On that basis the contractors got their comeuppance, I suppose. Is your easy sleep supported by any evidence of your assertions? Our right wing is more synonymous with not being in the wrong wing. Irrespective of the level of US foreign reserves, Iran has almost none, which is more relevant to your comment about Iran's ability to cause mischief.

[Webins]

THis is just a fancy way of blaming the victims.

Besides, look at it this way: here in the Uited States, people are relatively well of, free, and politically empowered, yet despite all that still vote for liars and puppets who have greatly damaged the nation.

If the free and wealthy American people can do this, how can you expect so much higher for the Iraqis who never had this advantages, and who in addition suffered 12 of continuous war ending in unprovoked invasion?

[charlessmyth]

The Iraqis have so much more to gain by taking the opportunity to be at least as free as their American counterparts and are not being aided in this endeavour by foreign provocateurs who divert the Iraqis' and others' attention from what must be done. Iraq is an opportunity for everyone to gain, including Americans. But demonising their liberators and lionising Iraqi failure is unhelpful and an opportunity lost. The bar is not set that high and Iraq was once the cradle of civilisation.

[Webins]

Well, I question your use of the term "liberators".

Everything you wrote can be used to justify aggression against anyone.

The U.S. can invade Nigeria, causing massive death and destruiction, then state "well, they should use this chance to be free".

[charlessmyth]

The hole in any argument about Iraq being liberated by foreign powers is that the foreign powers assumed the responsibility of liberating Iraq. Even so, it is entirely the case that Iraqis only have themselves to blame for the quality of the outcome of their liberation. Nigeria is not a comparative issue, its leadership knows which side its bread is lavishly buttered on, and are not threatening the sovereignty of their neighbours because they do not have an army to do so, beyond Abuja.

[Webins]

Your problem is, besides a strong and not-so-hidden contempt for the Iraqis, is that you seem overly dismissive of the social/psychological effects of 12-17 years of continuous war, economic hardship, and invasion and occupation.

To you it's just like getting some rough weather or suffering a flu, no big deal keep going on.

There's today an entire generation of young poeple there who have known nothing but war.

As for Nigeria, it was just an analogy for the justification you imply.

[charlessmyth]

After Desert Storm there was possible US help to overthrow Saddam, but Bush 1 was warned off, as Iraq would have deteriorated into what it is today. Thus, no war Trauma as an excuse. Furthermore, no foreign power prevented Saddam from doing the right thing or taking exile. Again, Iraqis are not prevented from doing better by their own choices. Same applies to other countries including the US & EU member-states. Left to their own fate, IN IRAQ, Iraqis will prevail or perish as is their choice.

[Webins]

Your post has added yet two more wrong assumptions: that the U.S. had a right to over-throw Saddam back in 1991, and that anyone (U.S. or otherwise) had a right to force Saddam to take exile. Both without merit.

And again this ridiculous idea that the U.S. can invade another country and the people there should just be grateful.

But then, I'm sure if your country suffered the same thing, you'd be alright and come otgether in constructive harmony, being a superior people.

[charlessmyth]

Without the invasions which were a consequence of WW1 Iraq wouldn't even exist. Yes it would be better if Iraqis did their own overthrowing, but this doesn't happen as it should do, because we accept the refugees/exiles who would do so, if not presented with another choice, such as sanctuary in the US and EU, for example, and secured Iraq against the influence of other actors who would act detrimentally towards US and EU interests in the region including Eurasia.

[random0815]

well charless rampant nonsense start to finish of course, would be funny if you didnt know the sad realities and that this kind of delusional apologism is shared by many..

[charlessmyth]

Could you be more specific?

[RgSchmitt]

The United States will do the same thing that they did with Panama to Iraq.

[toosinbeymen]

It's up to the Iraqis to manage themselves in their own country. Duh! I think they're up the to job. There will be some rough spots especially as the government does nothing for the poor which is a huge majority of the country and very activist against the government.

God bless. This is a good outcome for the long suffering Iraqis.

[charlessmyth]

Pull back to bases in the region and Georgia and let the Iraqi government suffer the consequences of its own ineptitude.

[klard]

charlessmyth: I never realized that the radical right wing in the United Kingdom were even crazier and more gung-ho for all this war than the Neconservative radicals we have in the United States.

[McOath]

So you're suggesting that US policy will be changed or affected by Iraqi or International law? How did this war start again?

[blackxavior]

This report is so contrived.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Nice term for it, contrived. It is contrives, since the English capitalists have a hegemony over ideological production in the media. They have all the outlets. Its disgusting really.