conspiracy, sabatoge.. human rights in question fear of moving on paranoia hurt accompanied to healing carrying a grudge, it didnt go your way deadlocked lacking a goal rem of dream from the subconcious giving conscious warnings sulking stagnantly not succeeding in order to learn
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE TAROT VIDEOS AVAILABLE IN YOU-TUBE AND BY FARE THIS LADY IS THE ONLY PRO, AROUND! THE MEANINGS ARE ACCURATE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PERSONAL CLASSES WITH HER AND WHY NOT SOME READINGS, I WISH SHE MAKE A VIDEO NOW ABOUT SPREADS , GOSH! SHE IS GOOD!
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE TAROT VIDEOS AVAILABLE IN YOU-TUBE AND BY FARE THIS LADY IS THE ONLY PRO, AROUND! THE MEANINGS ARE ACCURATE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PERSONAL CLASSES WITH HER AND WHY NOT SOME READINGS, I WISH SHE MAKE A VIDEO NOW ABOUT SPREADS , GOSH! SHE IS GOOD! I WANT MORE VIDEOS AND LEARNING MORE FROM HER!
why do people who dislike tarot divination post here? go ventilate your skeptical, frustrated, narrow-minded issues elsewhere jerks. Thanks for the lesson!!
Thank you for posting this lesson. It really helps people like me who are starting to use the tarot cards. In my case, I'm using an angel version of the tarot but the basic symbolism is the same.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
"This could be mean this" These are pretty vague meanings and I can see why people are easily fooled by pieces of paper that tell your future. Do a reading, repeat, different cards? totally random outcome. Humans are the most naive species on the planet.
Sorry Genesimmons8, but you don't know what you're talking about. These cards are used to trigger conversations and explore the soul. They are not magical.
Of course they are not magical, that's what I am saying. This video is implying that tarot is real and works. You say it's used to " explore the soul". That statement, as ridiculous as it sounds, implies that you are a believer in this nonsense as well.
I am a pretty black and white type of guy, facts, figures, the real world etc...I am on a quest to learn this stuff because along time ago I went to someone, as a favor for someone else, to have a reading. The peculiar thing about it was when I shuffled the deck and when she grabbed the cards to start the reading, some tingling sensation flooded my fingers and I never forgot it. The reading was accurate but I can't help to believe that there is something to this. Maybe there isn't.
@jonjon121724 i know what you mean. its funny that moment of sensation or experience is like whoa no way is this happening? and ur in shock. and u pay attention in the moment. i had one single acupuncture needle put in between my eyebrows to treat sinus congestion and beforehand i was completely skeptical but it WORKED and i thought oh my god what does this mean? reiki had a similair effect on me. i don't care if its placebo at all. its amazing
I am siting a physically reproduceable phenomena of which is documented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby, and also further in "The History and Practice of Magic" by Paul Christian. A beam of light into a 'ben ben' or pyramid capstone will reproduce 'Lamed' and the shadows cast from this produce the 22 glyphs or 'letter's of light' the Taro or ROTA as in rotation or evolution, comes from. I stand correct, and this is well documented, and physically reproduceable.
Why look for videos or watch videos of tarot if it doesn't interest you. No matter if it is catholic church or pagan beliefs. What ever your interests are, if you believe it, it works. If you do not, it does not. We all know this, at least some of us do. So take your hate comments elsewhere.
Well I believe if we can point out in clear terms that there is absolutely no basis to believe tarot cards work then perhaps people will discover the real world, and perhaps take responsibility for their actions.
In the real world it is normal to prove something works, not prove something doesn't work. You can't prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. But you sure as hell can't prove it does exist. The onus is on people making silly claims to back them up when challenged. Telling people there destiny lies in cards or the stars is an outright falsehood.
ZoeMarks, what is your idea of the real world? Spirituallity is an experience, not a science, it cannot be measured, it can not be seen, touched, heard, or tasted. The spiritual world is just as diverse as this (physical) world. You would have to go into it, and see for yourself.
¬.¬ ...So... the guy asked for advice, not for you to tell him what he alredy know, are you kidding me or did you do another good reading, cuz if that's a real reading am not buying it ¬_¬
I mean everything was about what and how he feels, not any advice or choices at all... x.x i don't like it at all. the guy is better of speaking to his wife XD there should be a good REAL advice ^_^
johngy18: No, because the cards have no real power. The are used only as a focus for the reading. Like most cold readings you can use a soup can label as a substitute.
You know, in the card game (what Tarot is intended for originally) the common version usually omits a number of the cards. If you're missing a Trump card I - XXI and the Fool you're out of luck! With the suits... the court cards are all used... but amidst swords and wands you use only 10, 9, 8, and 7 (with 10 being the highest card)... with cups and pentacles it's Ace, 2, 3, and 4 (with Ace being the highest)!
I have a Rider-Waite deck, and recently i bought a book explaining all the cards, however at the begining it explains the some decks have a blank card (just like runes, i have a bag of runes and it does have a blank stone). My deck doesnt have a blank card, should i buy another?
No honest tarot reader tells you what you 'should do'. the most tarot can do is connect you via intuition to the character of situations and events; probailities based on elements of situational and atitude factores and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do YOU lose the ultimate choice. Tarot is your friend...not your Mommy. (:
Hey zz/zm...."Who saids standards of education were falling?" Saids???? Falling indeed! You know nothing of Tarot. Go bother the evangelist hucksters.
Got me there on the typo. Wow I should hang my head in shame. Read your post - I counted 3 such errors.
I know nothing of Tarot? I've perused about half a dozen websites in the last few weeks - so you are wrong AGAIN. But in some ways you are right, because I found nothing to explain the paranormal aspects. Why?
There is nothing paranormal about tarot. It offers archetypes and metaphors to be considered and pondered by the individual. It's a creative process not unlike art.
So if there is nothing paranormal about tarot, and it is merely an "art" (whatever that means) then the claims about describing a persons future (albeit qualified that a person still has choices!) are really flaky. I have read that the cards have no power, then pray tell what is the purpose of the whole exercise?
I don't speak for other Tarot readers, but I personally don't describe anyone's future. What I do with Tarot is use the imagery of the cards to consider various perspectives on my situation. For example I draw a daily focus card. I consider that card and its strengths and weaknesses as I pass through the day. I find it adds meaning to my life. That's what art is, to me at least. It's a reflective and creative way of looking at life. Give it a twirl sometime, it's a nice way to lighten up.
A creative process!!! That is not what is claimed by most tarot readers. Isn't there a union or association of tarot readers who can describe exactly what it is?
You've researched a whopping six or so opinions on something that's been around for centuries. You won't understand anything you refuse to understand, i.e., the value and process of self discovery, which as I said is what Tarot is for me.
Wrong. I have spent the last 30 or so years with more than a passing interest in astrology, tarot, psychic phenomena, divining, religion etc. I'm looking for the truth behind this stuff along with many other aspects of world.
Based on the numerous explanations of what Tarot is I still am unconvinced that it has any substance.
I apologize. I thought when you said "I know nothing of Tarot? I've perused about half a dozen websites in the last few weeks - so you are wrong AGAIN." You meant half a dozen resources over a few weeks, not 30 years of diligent research.
Wrong again. I have done both. You are choosing to be selective in your interpretation. As I said I perused a few in the last few weeks to look for any changes since I last looked, nothing has changed, same old same old.
And yes, of course there's a Tarot union that sets the rules for everyone. It's located between the art union and the meditation union, give them a call. The whole thing begs the question, if you think it's all such a load of crap why do you waste your time picking arguments about it? Is your life so completely devoid of things that make you happy? Or are you only happy when you think you're tearing others down?
Please allow me to point out that coming to a thread where hobbyists (in this case Tarot, not astrology btw) share an interest and then stating they are all dishonest and lacking in education is not exactly polite.
What's with the "astrology btw". You trying to have a go?
Just once I'd like someone to explain what tarot delivers by reading cards dealt at random that can't be gained by just sitting down and having say a cold reading done?
>>What's with the "astrology btw". You trying to have a go?>>
No, dear. If I were trying to have a go I'd have pointed out your glaring inconsistency (a less kind person would call it a lie), which I have not done. I was responding directly to what you said, which was that astrologers had been rude to you because of your questions.
As to your question, again, I have offered to give you something to work with on a private basis, if you can keep the hostility out of it. It seems like you want to argue rather than discuss, and I'm not the right person for that. Again, if you'd really like to have your question answered, message me privately without ad hominem attacks.
...err now I'm confused. You imply I'm a lier and then say I should not make with the ad hominem attacks.
All I want is an explanation of the logic and reason behind the claims of tarot because I have not seen any. I am not arguing, you seem to be trying to make me sound that way.
I tried the private message stuff before and on a range of subjects (astrology mostly) and got only lengthy preaching and no substance. I prefer to stick in the public arena.
What inconsistency are you referring to? I assume it is to the reference about 30 years of research AND looking at a few websites in the previous weeks. If you can demonstrate how you think I'm lying I won't post again.
I figure if my questions (which are never meant to be personal or rude) solicit a rude response it must mean I have hit a raw nerve, or the person is insulted that someone has the audacity to question them.
This is a public forum and a great way to learn about people and their beliefs. No place for peaux minces apparently. :-)
If we're having polite discourse as opposed to argument, why do we need thick skins? As a firefighter paramedic I think my skin is thick enough. I thought you wanted questions answered, not a debate?
Interesting. Apparently politely discussing things with people who hold differing beliefs is an idiom you don't use. I assure you it's possible when people reach a certain maturity level.
Also please note that you don't really know what I believe; I offered to tell you if you could remain polite, and you rejected that offer.
When religious people come to your door and knock so they can tell you all about their beliefs and how you're going to hell unless you change your ways to see it their way, that's rude in my opinion, arrogant and antagonistic. Even more so if they select your house specifically because they see symbols of a religion they disapprove of. They don't get that it's bullying because they really do believe that what they know is superior, without knowing at all what the target knows.
I wouldn't call it bullying. Selling any belief system is a concern. Believing in the spiritual is taken as a right. But what differentiates that from a belief in say aliens? I see a flawed society that thinks the thing that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is for example our belief in gods and the supernatural. It is stopping humans from truly developing.
Is this comment directed at me? I'm the one who said there's nothing paranormal or supernatural about Tarot. And yes, those who engage in bullying seldom identify it as such. It seems that your concern is that the human race is somehow hindered by a belief in spirituality so you feel compelled to confront those who [seem to you to] believe in spiritual things, is that accurate?
You take such a defensive stance. Don't you know how to take dialogue forward? I see why zoemarks said you had a thin skin attitude. Lighten up it is only a forum. Rather than jump for the jugular, take a Bex and a lie down then try and come back with a meaningful response. Sheesh, what a grouch.
Speaking of defensive... LOL I'm not stressing at all, what I'm doing is called active listening, making sure I'm reading what you wanted to communicate correctly. What you wrote didn't seem to match up with what I said, so I clarified my position. And I have to laugh at the thin skinned concept, I guess it's because I think of dialogue as conversation and you think of it as debate.
The religious people who come to your door believe that their understanding is superior to yours, though they have no idea what you understand. So they come to let you know what's wrong with the way you live. Their attitude is, "Hey you over there, I don't like the way you mind your own business! Do it my way!" What's the difference between this attitude and yours?
It is you who have not responded to the clear, direct question posed to you. Again: what is the difference between religious people I mentioned below and your own attitude?
Why is it about attitude? Religious people promote their views. I do the same. I ask them for a basis to their belief and they stand on a pulpit and mostly rant. I query Tarot bods and I get really vague new age babble about how it all works. When I really push to try to get a few facts they get snarly.
Once again your response is more about the methods of questioning than getting the answers.
You see dear, Tarot is about self-discovery. And that's what I'm helping you with here, some self-awareness and perspective. You wish to promote your views -- and actually I don't see you promoting your views, just attacking the views of others. So again, how are you different from religious zealots? Please be specific. Show me what makes you superior.
I am: (a) not silly; (b) not young; (c) not a man; and (d) not projecting. And now that I'm giving you a further refined answer to the question I've already answered twice, I'd still like you to answer my question, which I'm asking for the third time. What is the qualitative difference between what you do and religious doorknockers?
Religious door knockers are promoting superstitious bunk. They are blinded by faith; facts to back up their mystical claims, and science, play no in their reasoning.
Me, I want to know how things work and can't be fooled by vague new age answers and will persist till I work out what substance there is.
Regarding the wanting to know and persisting part of your statement, it comes down to this, IMO. You seek to use logic to the exclusion of feeling and imagination. There are parts of the human experience that just won't fit into logical analysis. So your frustration with that will continue to rise, just as it would trying to eat a sandwich with your ear. The food would keep contacting your body, but you'd get hungrier and hungrier. There is no science in Tarot.
"You seek to use logic to the exclusion of feeling and imagination." Wrong wrong wrong. You have no idea of my relationship with feeling and imagination for things. You are one of those who believe anyone who uses a scientific approach has no heart. What a myth. Where on earth is the evidence?
The core of the argument is if Tarot is predictive...you have jumped the gun a bit. If Tarot is not predictive and is used as a conversation piece I don't know if you could test for anything.
Love exists as supported by indirect evidence. Engagements, weddings, long relationships etc. If you poll enough people who are in love you'll get a statistically valid data set to swing the argument for there being an interaction that can be defined as love. And all that without using Google!
Wow... so agreed-upon experience constitutes airtight science when it comes to love, but not to Tarot. I tell you Zoe, you've really rocked my world. It will probably take me several decades to process the profound insight and wisdom you've laid on me here. Good luck with everything, I'm sure Dulcinea will appreciate your efforts.
Sarcasm as expected. If you interpret my response that way you don't understand.
Tarot is not science and yet you claim that it works. So it must be measurable but all you have is anecdotal evidence. You are hardly going to read something into the cards that isn't valid. Self fulling prophecies at best. One too many snipes though.
So Let's start with your stop sign question, because it's spot on. A stop sign "works" because people assign a value to it. So for example, to a tribesman from a stone age tribe, it's a metal tree with a flat red and white flower. As they say, it's the map, not the territory. And that's exactly what Tarot is.
So the reason to use a Tarot deck as opposed to a raisin is that Tarot is quite well thought out and rich in nuance; it covers the gamut of life experience quite well, thereby giving much fodder for thought, especially when combining and recombining. You could also glean a huge amount of meaning from a raisin; a study in impermanence, the interplay between water and the sun, the phases of human life, etc. But Tarot gives you more to work with IMHO.
One other thing I'd like to point out about you and your alter ego Zoe's responses -- it's a case study in projection. You accuse others of doing exactly what you're doing, while you're doing it. Astrologers are rude to you when you pick fights with them. Tarot readers are dishonest while you lie to them. Your only input is to say mine isn't salient...
I read all of zoemarks responses and can't see where he is lying. I'll let that slide because that yours/his issue.
This dialogue can go on forever like this because you'll avoid responding to the core questions. If you don't have the answers just say so. Belief without knowledge is common.
Yeah, I'm actually not getting specific with the lie because my intention isn't to publicly humiliate people, like pull down their pants and spank them. I haven't responded to the core question because first it was "people are so rude when I just want a simple question answered" and then it's by definition a debate where we must be thick skinned. Which is it? Do you really want to know something? Or is it just more bullying?
OK, I guess we can pretend you and Zoe are different people. Meanwhile, you haven't asked me a specific question. I've asked you more than one specific question and you won't answer them. You're looking kinda... thin skinned.
As I told you before, the cards represent different common aspects of the life experience. The role they play is that of focal points. They give you some metaphors to observe for in your own life experience. Now will you answer my question?
How utterly bizarre. I gave you a very specific answer. So is it that unless you get a very silly answer you can tear to shreds the answer doesn't count? Pray tell what would constitute a "factual" answer?
Maybe I should ask the questions in a different way. What are the specific mechanisms at play when the cards are dealt? ie do they have to be randomly dealt, is so why? Can you use half a deck to draw from?
You see I not after the vague wordy answer, just the hard facts. I know you think that is tedious but it cuts out the waffle etc.
Ah, see? It's not so hard to discuss without being argumentative. Just when I was ready to give up on you altogether, you finally hit the nail on the head.
Please note (again) that I have made the significant concession of discussing this in this limited and public forum because you insisted on that :) However I don't allow people to abuse me any way they want to. So I do set boundaries in my interactions, yes. People who do not maintain proper boundaries tend to be very unhappy in their lives. Your boundary was using this limited forum, I agreed to that. My boundary is mutual respect, I'm not sure if you are committed to that or not.
You like having the snipe don't you? I'm losing count.
Using the limited forum means I am unhappy in my life. Wow! You know sweet fanny adams about me and you make those judgments. I'll make a few judgments to balance the books if you like. Sheesh!
Holy crap, where did that come from? Please re-read what I wrote. Maybe you don't understand what I mean by setting boundaries? You set a boundary and maintained it. I respected that, because it wasn't a terribly important point to me.
You have some ideas about linear thinking that don't really apply here; i.e., there should be some Tarot governing body, and the rules about how things have to be dealt or which ones you have to use, etc. Granted there are as many ways to read Tarot as there are Tarot readers, and there probably are others who have way more rules than I do.
So yes, you can use half a deck to draw from if you want to. You can place them all in order and go one by one. You can deal them randomly, or choose only one to focus on for the rest of your life if you want to. You could choose to use a raisin as a metaphoric focus point.
So the cards play no real part and there is no "grand plan" in the cards. Why not then just write down a topic and use that as a focal point. The "cards" do not in anyway tell the future as implied by many readers.
In this very video that we're ostensibly discussing, she talks about doing a reading using only half the deck. I would say more, but you rejected my request to have a private discussion (which would have been more polite to the other viewers IMO), so I'm limited by the maximum comment length etc.
The specific mechanism at play when the cards are dealt: Like beauty, meaning is in the eye of the beholder. You could take an assortment of items, i.e., a raisin, a paperclip, a penny and a shell, arrange and contemplate them for a similar result. You'd just have to work harder at it, which would probably be good for a lot of readers.
So people "read into" the cards what they are feeling at the time. That is where the reader (to a customer) merely uses cold reading techniques in exchange for money? That is that part that annoys us mere skeptics.
Well, that assumes you're reading someone for money. Most people who use Tarot do so for themselves, as I have for approximately 26 years. (And that's a conservative estimate, not rounded up :) But to answer your question, no. It's not just whatever you are feeling at the time. You assign some minimum value to each card, just as you would with my random assortment method.
So you assign some meaning to each card, some meaning to each position in the layout, and formulate a question. You then consider the whole thing in context. I know there are some who use Tarot to do cold reading; however there are others who use cold reading when selling cars. That doesn't mean we should discontinue the practice of selling cars IMO.
The car selling analogy? This disjointed forum doesn't allow for good tracking of what we're talking about. I guess you could call contemplation of overview life processes "talking to yourself and justifying it all." It's also the road to maturity.
And yes, anyone who thinks they can predict the future in any way is a fraud, because the future changes moment to moment.
You are one of the few to admit the cards do not predict the future. If you assign no paranormal properties to the cards then I have no debate or argument.
As to whether or not they have to be random, etc.:
You could contemplate the symbolism of each item and arrange them deliberately and contemplate their interplay, or you could just randomly arrange them in a way that was pleasing and then begin to contemplate. Or you can do both. I use Tarot both ways.
Seems to me you are not a nice person by your own definition. I have watched the discussion for a while, why is it that people who believe can never answer a simple question and get all huffy at the drop of a hat.
As far as your questions, I would be happy to have a discussion with you about it given certain guidelines. Basically I would insist on mutual respect. If you'd like to be truly open minded, as opposed to angry and demanding to be "convinced," then perhaps I can give you something to work with.
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
I agree. It never reaveals what the outcome is. Only more on what he feels and fears, but I do think she revealed that earlier in the reading kind of what is to come, or what he should look out for.
thank you
annacoribioanna 5 months ago
ImcallingJapan 9 months ago
i really appreciate this woman's lessons. of all the lessons on this site her's the most clear and succinct.
lisalisa842 1 year ago 2
This has been flagged as spam show
3 hours ago
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE TAROT VIDEOS AVAILABLE IN YOU-TUBE AND BY FARE THIS LADY IS THE ONLY PRO, AROUND! THE MEANINGS ARE ACCURATE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PERSONAL CLASSES WITH HER AND WHY NOT SOME READINGS, I WISH SHE MAKE A VIDEO NOW ABOUT SPREADS , GOSH! SHE IS GOOD!
RANCHERITA58 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL THE TAROT VIDEOS AVAILABLE IN YOU-TUBE AND BY FARE THIS LADY IS THE ONLY PRO, AROUND! THE MEANINGS ARE ACCURATE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PERSONAL CLASSES WITH HER AND WHY NOT SOME READINGS, I WISH SHE MAKE A VIDEO NOW ABOUT SPREADS , GOSH! SHE IS GOOD! I WANT MORE VIDEOS AND LEARNING MORE FROM HER!
RANCHERITA58 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
If you want to know the truth of this life check my channel
silafca 1 year ago
Thanks fer posting these lessons. Though the minor arcana lessons arnt doin much fer me the major arcanan is a HUGE help! Thanks.
MrJennyV1 2 years ago
why do people who dislike tarot divination post here? go ventilate your skeptical, frustrated, narrow-minded issues elsewhere jerks. Thanks for the lesson!!
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
you are believable
dithbmine1 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this lesson. It really helps people like me who are starting to use the tarot cards. In my case, I'm using an angel version of the tarot but the basic symbolism is the same.
I really appreciate your effort.
Love and light,
George.
englishleisure29 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"This could be mean this" These are pretty vague meanings and I can see why people are easily fooled by pieces of paper that tell your future. Do a reading, repeat, different cards? totally random outcome. Humans are the most naive species on the planet.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
Sorry Genesimmons8, but you don't know what you're talking about. These cards are used to trigger conversations and explore the soul. They are not magical.
mathieuplasse1 2 years ago
Of course they are not magical, that's what I am saying. This video is implying that tarot is real and works. You say it's used to " explore the soul". That statement, as ridiculous as it sounds, implies that you are a believer in this nonsense as well.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
Maybe existence is more complicated than you think.
mathieuplasse1 2 years ago
Then again, maybe it's not.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
I am a pretty black and white type of guy, facts, figures, the real world etc...I am on a quest to learn this stuff because along time ago I went to someone, as a favor for someone else, to have a reading. The peculiar thing about it was when I shuffled the deck and when she grabbed the cards to start the reading, some tingling sensation flooded my fingers and I never forgot it. The reading was accurate but I can't help to believe that there is something to this. Maybe there isn't.
jonjon121724 2 years ago
@jonjon121724 i know what you mean. its funny that moment of sensation or experience is like whoa no way is this happening? and ur in shock. and u pay attention in the moment. i had one single acupuncture needle put in between my eyebrows to treat sinus congestion and beforehand i was completely skeptical but it WORKED and i thought oh my god what does this mean? reiki had a similair effect on me. i don't care if its placebo at all. its amazing
Bizdet 1 year ago
I am Wiccan, I believe in doing "whatever" you "believe" in. I go to the cards many times in my life and use them in ritual and workings!
Karmasoul85 2 years ago 3
Thanks for posting and thanks .
Curiousquest2 3 years ago 8
Amazing lesson!
derekwilliams1982 3 years ago 5
This has been flagged as spam show
I am siting a physically reproduceable phenomena of which is documented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby, and also further in "The History and Practice of Magic" by Paul Christian. A beam of light into a 'ben ben' or pyramid capstone will reproduce 'Lamed' and the shadows cast from this produce the 22 glyphs or 'letter's of light' the Taro or ROTA as in rotation or evolution, comes from. I stand correct, and this is well documented, and physically reproduceable.
tigr7170 4 years ago
If you thought it was "hogwash" why did you look it up- come on now be real
erin517 4 years ago
I give readings but i highly respect yours thanks on posting this
erin517 4 years ago
this is helpful and with this i don't have to keep loking in a book
cardud365 4 years ago
Why look for videos or watch videos of tarot if it doesn't interest you. No matter if it is catholic church or pagan beliefs. What ever your interests are, if you believe it, it works. If you do not, it does not. We all know this, at least some of us do. So take your hate comments elsewhere.
PriestessAnann 4 years ago
Well I believe if we can point out in clear terms that there is absolutely no basis to believe tarot cards work then perhaps people will discover the real world, and perhaps take responsibility for their actions.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Well where is the basis that they don't work. Most people argue one way and fail to realize that their way has no argument either.
shaicapone 4 years ago
In the real world it is normal to prove something works, not prove something doesn't work. You can't prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. But you sure as hell can't prove it does exist. The onus is on people making silly claims to back them up when challenged. Telling people there destiny lies in cards or the stars is an outright falsehood.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
ZoeMarks, what is your idea of the real world? Spirituallity is an experience, not a science, it cannot be measured, it can not be seen, touched, heard, or tasted. The spiritual world is just as diverse as this (physical) world. You would have to go into it, and see for yourself.
dayron25 3 years ago
¬.¬ ...So... the guy asked for advice, not for you to tell him what he alredy know, are you kidding me or did you do another good reading, cuz if that's a real reading am not buying it ¬_¬
I mean everything was about what and how he feels, not any advice or choices at all... x.x i don't like it at all. the guy is better of speaking to his wife XD there should be a good REAL advice ^_^
nanfesii 4 years ago
i want to have a reading done
where do i go
mskerripa 4 years ago
To a close friend, not a tarot card reader that's for sure.
Tarot is all hocus pocus and cold readings. You may as well go see an astrologer.
zzytrewq 4 years ago 3
This is such hogwash.
Visit PsychicDeals dot com
SillySweetPea69 4 years ago
Will it effect my readings if a card is missing from the deck?
johngy18 4 years ago
johngy18: No, because the cards have no real power. The are used only as a focus for the reading. Like most cold readings you can use a soup can label as a substitute.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
You know, in the card game (what Tarot is intended for originally) the common version usually omits a number of the cards. If you're missing a Trump card I - XXI and the Fool you're out of luck! With the suits... the court cards are all used... but amidst swords and wands you use only 10, 9, 8, and 7 (with 10 being the highest card)... with cups and pentacles it's Ace, 2, 3, and 4 (with Ace being the highest)!
Duckhugger 4 years ago
Yes
shuhanmiah 4 years ago
If a card is missing from your deck you should get a new deck
erin517 4 years ago 17
I have a Rider-Waite deck, and recently i bought a book explaining all the cards, however at the begining it explains the some decks have a blank card (just like runes, i have a bag of runes and it does have a blank stone). My deck doesnt have a blank card, should i buy another?
wayneg91 3 years ago
I think the blank card pertains to Card 0 - The Fool. Absolute trust and faith in life, just like what the blank rune says - trust in the unknown.
TurboTite 2 years ago
No honest tarot reader tells you what you 'should do'. the most tarot can do is connect you via intuition to the character of situations and events; probailities based on elements of situational and atitude factores and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do YOU lose the ultimate choice. Tarot is your friend...not your Mommy. (:
astralninja 4 years ago
...honest tarot reader - an oxymoron
...intuition - guesswork based on experience and coincidence
And people actually believe this! Who saids standards of education were falling?
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Hey zz/zm...."Who saids standards of education were falling?" Saids???? Falling indeed! You know nothing of Tarot. Go bother the evangelist hucksters.
astralninja 4 years ago
Got me there on the typo. Wow I should hang my head in shame. Read your post - I counted 3 such errors.
I know nothing of Tarot? I've perused about half a dozen websites in the last few weeks - so you are wrong AGAIN. But in some ways you are right, because I found nothing to explain the paranormal aspects. Why?
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
There is nothing paranormal about tarot. It offers archetypes and metaphors to be considered and pondered by the individual. It's a creative process not unlike art.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So if there is nothing paranormal about tarot, and it is merely an "art" (whatever that means) then the claims about describing a persons future (albeit qualified that a person still has choices!) are really flaky. I have read that the cards have no power, then pray tell what is the purpose of the whole exercise?
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I don't speak for other Tarot readers, but I personally don't describe anyone's future. What I do with Tarot is use the imagery of the cards to consider various perspectives on my situation. For example I draw a daily focus card. I consider that card and its strengths and weaknesses as I pass through the day. I find it adds meaning to my life. That's what art is, to me at least. It's a reflective and creative way of looking at life. Give it a twirl sometime, it's a nice way to lighten up.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
A creative process!!! That is not what is claimed by most tarot readers. Isn't there a union or association of tarot readers who can describe exactly what it is?
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
You've researched a whopping six or so opinions on something that's been around for centuries. You won't understand anything you refuse to understand, i.e., the value and process of self discovery, which as I said is what Tarot is for me.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Wrong. I have spent the last 30 or so years with more than a passing interest in astrology, tarot, psychic phenomena, divining, religion etc. I'm looking for the truth behind this stuff along with many other aspects of world.
Based on the numerous explanations of what Tarot is I still am unconvinced that it has any substance.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I apologize. I thought when you said "I know nothing of Tarot? I've perused about half a dozen websites in the last few weeks - so you are wrong AGAIN." You meant half a dozen resources over a few weeks, not 30 years of diligent research.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Wrong again. I have done both. You are choosing to be selective in your interpretation. As I said I perused a few in the last few weeks to look for any changes since I last looked, nothing has changed, same old same old.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
And yes, of course there's a Tarot union that sets the rules for everyone. It's located between the art union and the meditation union, give them a call. The whole thing begs the question, if you think it's all such a load of crap why do you waste your time picking arguments about it? Is your life so completely devoid of things that make you happy? Or are you only happy when you think you're tearing others down?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
You miss the point a bit. I question the claims made by astrologers in the hope that one day someone will tell me how it works.
But all I get is a belief system and descriptions of the supposed effects, but nothing on the mechanics of it.
My life is full of questions...and apparently astrologers can't answer them, so they get rude. Typical.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Please allow me to point out that coming to a thread where hobbyists (in this case Tarot, not astrology btw) share an interest and then stating they are all dishonest and lacking in education is not exactly polite.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
What's with the "astrology btw". You trying to have a go?
Just once I'd like someone to explain what tarot delivers by reading cards dealt at random that can't be gained by just sitting down and having say a cold reading done?
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
>>What's with the "astrology btw". You trying to have a go?>>
No, dear. If I were trying to have a go I'd have pointed out your glaring inconsistency (a less kind person would call it a lie), which I have not done. I was responding directly to what you said, which was that astrologers had been rude to you because of your questions.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
As to your question, again, I have offered to give you something to work with on a private basis, if you can keep the hostility out of it. It seems like you want to argue rather than discuss, and I'm not the right person for that. Again, if you'd really like to have your question answered, message me privately without ad hominem attacks.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
...err now I'm confused. You imply I'm a lier and then say I should not make with the ad hominem attacks.
All I want is an explanation of the logic and reason behind the claims of tarot because I have not seen any. I am not arguing, you seem to be trying to make me sound that way.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I tried the private message stuff before and on a range of subjects (astrology mostly) and got only lengthy preaching and no substance. I prefer to stick in the public arena.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
What inconsistency are you referring to? I assume it is to the reference about 30 years of research AND looking at a few websites in the previous weeks. If you can demonstrate how you think I'm lying I won't post again.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
I figure if my questions (which are never meant to be personal or rude) solicit a rude response it must mean I have hit a raw nerve, or the person is insulted that someone has the audacity to question them.
This is a public forum and a great way to learn about people and their beliefs. No place for peaux minces apparently. :-)
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Don't know what a peaux mince is. Still not interested in arguing with you, and you're not interested in my answer to your questions, so best wishes.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Thin skins.
I'm interested in your answers...but you choose to leave early in the debate.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
If we're having polite discourse as opposed to argument, why do we need thick skins? As a firefighter paramedic I think my skin is thick enough. I thought you wanted questions answered, not a debate?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
If you and I agreed on everything it would be a discussion. We disagree on a few things so it is most likely a debate.
As for the thin skin reference it is obviously not an idiom you use.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Interesting. Apparently politely discussing things with people who hold differing beliefs is an idiom you don't use. I assure you it's possible when people reach a certain maturity level.
Also please note that you don't really know what I believe; I offered to tell you if you could remain polite, and you rejected that offer.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
When religious people come to your door and knock so they can tell you all about their beliefs and how you're going to hell unless you change your ways to see it their way, that's rude in my opinion, arrogant and antagonistic. Even more so if they select your house specifically because they see symbols of a religion they disapprove of. They don't get that it's bullying because they really do believe that what they know is superior, without knowing at all what the target knows.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
I wouldn't call it bullying. Selling any belief system is a concern. Believing in the spiritual is taken as a right. But what differentiates that from a belief in say aliens? I see a flawed society that thinks the thing that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom is for example our belief in gods and the supernatural. It is stopping humans from truly developing.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Is this comment directed at me? I'm the one who said there's nothing paranormal or supernatural about Tarot. And yes, those who engage in bullying seldom identify it as such. It seems that your concern is that the human race is somehow hindered by a belief in spirituality so you feel compelled to confront those who [seem to you to] believe in spiritual things, is that accurate?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
You take such a defensive stance. Don't you know how to take dialogue forward? I see why zoemarks said you had a thin skin attitude. Lighten up it is only a forum. Rather than jump for the jugular, take a Bex and a lie down then try and come back with a meaningful response. Sheesh, what a grouch.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Speaking of defensive... LOL I'm not stressing at all, what I'm doing is called active listening, making sure I'm reading what you wanted to communicate correctly. What you wrote didn't seem to match up with what I said, so I clarified my position. And I have to laugh at the thin skinned concept, I guess it's because I think of dialogue as conversation and you think of it as debate.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
The religious people who come to your door believe that their understanding is superior to yours, though they have no idea what you understand. So they come to let you know what's wrong with the way you live. Their attitude is, "Hey you over there, I don't like the way you mind your own business! Do it my way!" What's the difference between this attitude and yours?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
..missing the point there. It is about the basis of belief system not its content.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
It is you who have not responded to the clear, direct question posed to you. Again: what is the difference between religious people I mentioned below and your own attitude?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Why is it about attitude? Religious people promote their views. I do the same. I ask them for a basis to their belief and they stand on a pulpit and mostly rant. I query Tarot bods and I get really vague new age babble about how it all works. When I really push to try to get a few facts they get snarly.
Once again your response is more about the methods of questioning than getting the answers.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
You see dear, Tarot is about self-discovery. And that's what I'm helping you with here, some self-awareness and perspective. You wish to promote your views -- and actually I don't see you promoting your views, just attacking the views of others. So again, how are you different from religious zealots? Please be specific. Show me what makes you superior.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
I'm not promoting my views. Trying to get answers though. You don't like my style: live with it.
From the outburst of aggression I take it you have issues. Sorry if I caught you at a bad time in your life. :-(
I'm not interested in what you claim Tarot is about. I'm only interested in the mechanisms by which it is supposed to work.
You think I attack. Got a mirror handy?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Quite the silly young man, projecting and projecting. What is the mechanism by which art works?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Art doesn't work. Trick question. How does a stop sign work?
So you calling me a silly young man is not projecting and projecting? Grab that mirror.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
I am: (a) not silly; (b) not young; (c) not a man; and (d) not projecting. And now that I'm giving you a further refined answer to the question I've already answered twice, I'd still like you to answer my question, which I'm asking for the third time. What is the qualitative difference between what you do and religious doorknockers?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Religious door knockers are promoting superstitious bunk. They are blinded by faith; facts to back up their mystical claims, and science, play no in their reasoning.
Me, I want to know how things work and can't be fooled by vague new age answers and will persist till I work out what substance there is.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Regarding the wanting to know and persisting part of your statement, it comes down to this, IMO. You seek to use logic to the exclusion of feeling and imagination. There are parts of the human experience that just won't fit into logical analysis. So your frustration with that will continue to rise, just as it would trying to eat a sandwich with your ear. The food would keep contacting your body, but you'd get hungrier and hungrier. There is no science in Tarot.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
"There is no science in Tarot." Therefore it uses the paranormal? Or is the exclusion of science meant to shield Tarot from examination?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
"You seek to use logic to the exclusion of feeling and imagination." Wrong wrong wrong. You have no idea of my relationship with feeling and imagination for things. You are one of those who believe anyone who uses a scientific approach has no heart. What a myth. Where on earth is the evidence?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
LOL Where is the evidence for Tarot? Why should there be evidence for Tarot? Is there evidence for art? Can you prove empirically that love exists?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
The core of the argument is if Tarot is predictive...you have jumped the gun a bit. If Tarot is not predictive and is used as a conversation piece I don't know if you could test for anything.
Love exists as supported by indirect evidence. Engagements, weddings, long relationships etc. If you poll enough people who are in love you'll get a statistically valid data set to swing the argument for there being an interaction that can be defined as love. And all that without using Google!
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Wow... so agreed-upon experience constitutes airtight science when it comes to love, but not to Tarot. I tell you Zoe, you've really rocked my world. It will probably take me several decades to process the profound insight and wisdom you've laid on me here. Good luck with everything, I'm sure Dulcinea will appreciate your efforts.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Sarcasm as expected. If you interpret my response that way you don't understand.
Tarot is not science and yet you claim that it works. So it must be measurable but all you have is anecdotal evidence. You are hardly going to read something into the cards that isn't valid. Self fulling prophecies at best. One too many snipes though.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Here's a cold reading on you (I don't need Tarot)
-You are in your late 30's & carry a few extra pounds
-Your favorite color is probably green or purple
-You believe in "life forces" or "crystal energy"
-Your schooling in the sciences/maths was very limited
-Relationships don't happen because men are so shallow etc
-You carry baggage from some event in your teens that still really hurts.
How about a score out of ten?
-
zzytrewq 4 years ago
...err, nine point five it would seem.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
So Let's start with your stop sign question, because it's spot on. A stop sign "works" because people assign a value to it. So for example, to a tribesman from a stone age tribe, it's a metal tree with a flat red and white flower. As they say, it's the map, not the territory. And that's exactly what Tarot is.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So the reason to use a Tarot deck as opposed to a raisin is that Tarot is quite well thought out and rich in nuance; it covers the gamut of life experience quite well, thereby giving much fodder for thought, especially when combining and recombining. You could also glean a huge amount of meaning from a raisin; a study in impermanence, the interplay between water and the sun, the phases of human life, etc. But Tarot gives you more to work with IMHO.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
One other thing I'd like to point out about you and your alter ego Zoe's responses -- it's a case study in projection. You accuse others of doing exactly what you're doing, while you're doing it. Astrologers are rude to you when you pick fights with them. Tarot readers are dishonest while you lie to them. Your only input is to say mine isn't salient...
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
I read all of zoemarks responses and can't see where he is lying. I'll let that slide because that yours/his issue.
This dialogue can go on forever like this because you'll avoid responding to the core questions. If you don't have the answers just say so. Belief without knowledge is common.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Yeah, I'm actually not getting specific with the lie because my intention isn't to publicly humiliate people, like pull down their pants and spank them. I haven't responded to the core question because first it was "people are so rude when I just want a simple question answered" and then it's by definition a debate where we must be thick skinned. Which is it? Do you really want to know something? Or is it just more bullying?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
..more of the same. Buss zoemark and tell him you problems, nothing to do with me.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
OK, I guess we can pretend you and Zoe are different people. Meanwhile, you haven't asked me a specific question. I've asked you more than one specific question and you won't answer them. You're looking kinda... thin skinned.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Here is a specific question: What role do the cards play?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
As I told you before, the cards represent different common aspects of the life experience. The role they play is that of focal points. They give you some metaphors to observe for in your own life experience. Now will you answer my question?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
That is a factless new age answer. What I expected. You should know that I wanted some substance in the answer.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
How utterly bizarre. I gave you a very specific answer. So is it that unless you get a very silly answer you can tear to shreds the answer doesn't count? Pray tell what would constitute a "factual" answer?
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Maybe I should ask the questions in a different way. What are the specific mechanisms at play when the cards are dealt? ie do they have to be randomly dealt, is so why? Can you use half a deck to draw from?
You see I not after the vague wordy answer, just the hard facts. I know you think that is tedious but it cuts out the waffle etc.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Ah, see? It's not so hard to discuss without being argumentative. Just when I was ready to give up on you altogether, you finally hit the nail on the head.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Do you feel you have to control each conversation?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Please note (again) that I have made the significant concession of discussing this in this limited and public forum because you insisted on that :) However I don't allow people to abuse me any way they want to. So I do set boundaries in my interactions, yes. People who do not maintain proper boundaries tend to be very unhappy in their lives. Your boundary was using this limited forum, I agreed to that. My boundary is mutual respect, I'm not sure if you are committed to that or not.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
I take it the answer is yes.
You like having the snipe don't you? I'm losing count.
Using the limited forum means I am unhappy in my life. Wow! You know sweet fanny adams about me and you make those judgments. I'll make a few judgments to balance the books if you like. Sheesh!
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Holy crap, where did that come from? Please re-read what I wrote. Maybe you don't understand what I mean by setting boundaries? You set a boundary and maintained it. I respected that, because it wasn't a terribly important point to me.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
I did understand...re-read your previous note, you took numerous snipes at me. It is not about what is said, it is about what is heard.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
You have some ideas about linear thinking that don't really apply here; i.e., there should be some Tarot governing body, and the rules about how things have to be dealt or which ones you have to use, etc. Granted there are as many ways to read Tarot as there are Tarot readers, and there probably are others who have way more rules than I do.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So yes, you can use half a deck to draw from if you want to. You can place them all in order and go one by one. You can deal them randomly, or choose only one to focus on for the rest of your life if you want to. You could choose to use a raisin as a metaphoric focus point.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So the cards play no real part and there is no "grand plan" in the cards. Why not then just write down a topic and use that as a focal point. The "cards" do not in anyway tell the future as implied by many readers.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
In this very video that we're ostensibly discussing, she talks about doing a reading using only half the deck. I would say more, but you rejected my request to have a private discussion (which would have been more polite to the other viewers IMO), so I'm limited by the maximum comment length etc.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
The specific mechanism at play when the cards are dealt: Like beauty, meaning is in the eye of the beholder. You could take an assortment of items, i.e., a raisin, a paperclip, a penny and a shell, arrange and contemplate them for a similar result. You'd just have to work harder at it, which would probably be good for a lot of readers.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So people "read into" the cards what they are feeling at the time. That is where the reader (to a customer) merely uses cold reading techniques in exchange for money? That is that part that annoys us mere skeptics.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Well, that assumes you're reading someone for money. Most people who use Tarot do so for themselves, as I have for approximately 26 years. (And that's a conservative estimate, not rounded up :) But to answer your question, no. It's not just whatever you are feeling at the time. You assign some minimum value to each card, just as you would with my random assortment method.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
So you assign some meaning to each card, some meaning to each position in the layout, and formulate a question. You then consider the whole thing in context. I know there are some who use Tarot to do cold reading; however there are others who use cold reading when selling cars. That doesn't mean we should discontinue the practice of selling cars IMO.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Bad analogy there to avoid the issue. In essence you talk about things to yourself and justify it all. The cards a just a distraction.
So are people who claim to read the future in the cards are frauds?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
The car selling analogy? This disjointed forum doesn't allow for good tracking of what we're talking about. I guess you could call contemplation of overview life processes "talking to yourself and justifying it all." It's also the road to maturity.
And yes, anyone who thinks they can predict the future in any way is a fraud, because the future changes moment to moment.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
You are one of the few to admit the cards do not predict the future. If you assign no paranormal properties to the cards then I have no debate or argument.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
As to whether or not they have to be random, etc.:
You could contemplate the symbolism of each item and arrange them deliberately and contemplate their interplay, or you could just randomly arrange them in a way that was pleasing and then begin to contemplate. Or you can do both. I use Tarot both ways.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Seems to me you are not a nice person by your own definition. I have watched the discussion for a while, why is it that people who believe can never answer a simple question and get all huffy at the drop of a hat.
Strange bunch you "believers".
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Okay, if you say so! Best wishes to you, too.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
As far as your questions, I would be happy to have a discussion with you about it given certain guidelines. Basically I would insist on mutual respect. If you'd like to be truly open minded, as opposed to angry and demanding to be "convinced," then perhaps I can give you something to work with.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Message me privately if you are interested in polite discourse. I won't respond to hostility.
Tanfeliz 4 years ago
Great video! Very interesting. abbeyofthelemafilmDOTcom
vincentjennings 4 years ago
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
tarot4games 4 years ago
I agree. It never reaveals what the outcome is. Only more on what he feels and fears, but I do think she revealed that earlier in the reading kind of what is to come, or what he should look out for.
luckiemoongypsy 4 years ago
A contiunation of simple and clear instruction. I like how simple presented your Celtic Cross reading is. Great Work
bellalorigagnon 5 years ago