Ok, I'm not an expert or anything, but why would you use something other then a protectivcath? Whatever they were using was dangerous, and that comment about combat medics, trust me, you guys are not any better then civilian medics. I know, I have been there and done both. As a matter of fact, combat medics aren't trained to as high a level as civilian medics, hence the reason they can't get reciprocity when they get out. So, know what you are talking about first, before you say something.
with severe dehydration that was the only choice for an iv for me. . . . your petrified to move. Once they are done they tell you that you can move your head, but i was so scared i didnt want to! i hope i NEVER have to get this done again
@jamesdove1987 you are absolutely correct. I am talking only interference to this situation where it was a small needle there for a very small embolus that would prob be only large enough to restrict a resp bronchiole at most. For this especially there is definately no ultrasound needed, that gein be poplin
I have been a paramedic for some time now & I can assure you that an air embolus is the least of my worries. I have a GIANT pet peeve when it comes to threading catheters. There was more of an opportunity for catheter shear in this instance than an air embolus, as the syringe was maintaining the pressure balance externally. As a preceptor myself, I do not allow my students to "play around" with any IV like this. But kudos 4 getting it in the neck!
@guitarmaniac927 you have to pull back on the plunger of the syringe at the same time as you advance because ej is low pressure and you might not get a big flashback
@doccriss Wow, your answer belies your ignorance. That is a major vein and can very well lead to air embolism and stroke, as jamesdove posted. I know you don't want to think that, but it's true. And those of us who have actually been medics for awhile know this. While it is true that the EJ is a GREAT place for an IV, it is absolutely NOT the best place for someone to be practicing on you. And god forbid you blow an EJ...ever seen that? Not pretty.
@jamesdove1987 no actually it venous so it would be a pulmonary embolism (same as you would get if you injected blood into your arm vein. A stroke is an occlusion of the arterial system in the brain. Even if it did happen, he is young and has plenty of residual lung volume so it would be of little consequence. Within a few hours - day the air would diffuse out. This is similar to if you had a small pneumothorax (not tension). give O2 and your fine in a few hrs
@asatishchandran , "plenty of residule lung volume", interesting as i have seen many a young adult die of a PE, "fine in a few hours" no not really. And venous, with the lack of Ultra sounded guidence how would you be sure? You must remember there are risks of removing the cannula as well as its insertion, and actually you can suffer a stroke in the venous system as a CVA . I have seen a patient who developed a right hemi after removal of his central line due to this, his life was ruined.
@jamesdove1987 You're really, really stupid like 'doccriss' said: ' This procedure is no different than pulling blood out of any other vein in the body.'
Have you ever performed this procedure before? If not, I stongly advice you to shut up.
Great training! Great video we "talk about it" and see photos of it. In the field when you really need to gain IV access that is NOT the time to learn how to. In my 10 years I have only done 2 EJ's my first was in a hospital er under the watchful eyes of the er doc. he takes the time to teach those that are willing to listen, watch, ask questions and learn. Keep up the good work
Neat. I cant wait to start my paramedic training. I'm only 21 and at the EMT-Basic level. While taking other classes in college everything seemed boring. Then I took classes for EMS and it grabbed my attention like no other. I knew then this is what I wanted to do with my life.
This is incredible. Incredibly stupid, that is. First offf, we see absolutely zero infection control. No alcohol used, nothing. Not to mention the fact that this procedure has serious complications. Doing this on people who don't require it is dangerous and stupid. Wow.
@vamedic4 This training is overseen by one of the best military trauma doctors in the business. His instructors or some of the best special forces medics there are. Alcohol was applied to my neck before the video started, I assure you. This procedure has no more serious complications than hitting any other vein in the body. I wouldn't expect you to understand as you practice civilian pre-hospital medicine. Things are much different in my world.
Great training! Great video we "talk about it" and see photos of it. In the field when you really need to gain IV access that is NOT the time to learn how to. In my 10 years I have only done 2 EJ's my first was in a hospital er under the watchful eyes of the er doc. he takes the time to teach those that are willing to listen, watch, ask questions and learn. Keep up the good work
@Salsacrazy1989 i think that that guy who inserted the IV hit the vein, got an initial bank flow BUT did not get a back flow in the end. am i right? good thing that didn't burst or had through and through.
Wow this is me lol. This was for an OEMS class and this is my best friend Dennis giving me the IV, I went next so we both had some trust for eachother and it was amazing training. I can't believe I stumbled across this years later, thank you to the OEMS guys. The jugular is the last vein to give out, if the man is alive he you will be able to find the juglar, despite the loss of all limbs if that's what it comes to.
So wrong, most patients I've stuck EJ's in say they're amazed that an iv in the neck didn't hurt much at all, and without lido. It's not that bad and your patient that is a tough iv start will appreciate you getting your iv in the fewest attempts possible. If they say that always get an EJ, I just put them in. They're just too easy.
Ok, I'm not an expert or anything, but why would you use something other then a protectivcath? Whatever they were using was dangerous, and that comment about combat medics, trust me, you guys are not any better then civilian medics. I know, I have been there and done both. As a matter of fact, combat medics aren't trained to as high a level as civilian medics, hence the reason they can't get reciprocity when they get out. So, know what you are talking about first, before you say something.
chuckbowman1983 2 months ago
go i cant wait to become a paramedic
AshweeElauraDannon 1 year ago
that looks like it would hurt!
Maggie3039 1 year ago
Where are the gloves ??? I see the instructor putting his c-diff nubs all over the sterile field. Flag.
Fail !! I wouldn't send my dead neighbors dog to that chop shop.
spin1now 1 year ago
with severe dehydration that was the only choice for an iv for me. . . . your petrified to move. Once they are done they tell you that you can move your head, but i was so scared i didnt want to! i hope i NEVER have to get this done again
kellina84 1 year ago
Ps, how did that hemi happen from the removal?...very very sad to hear.
asatishchandran 1 year ago
@jamesdove1987 you are absolutely correct. I am talking only interference to this situation where it was a small needle there for a very small embolus that would prob be only large enough to restrict a resp bronchiole at most. For this especially there is definately no ultrasound needed, that gein be poplin
asatishchandran 1 year ago
I had thoracic spinal fusion (most pain I have ever experienced) and this makes me cringe
ChristewieTV 1 year ago
I have been a paramedic for some time now & I can assure you that an air embolus is the least of my worries. I have a GIANT pet peeve when it comes to threading catheters. There was more of an opportunity for catheter shear in this instance than an air embolus, as the syringe was maintaining the pressure balance externally. As a preceptor myself, I do not allow my students to "play around" with any IV like this. But kudos 4 getting it in the neck!
BiGmEg1983 1 year ago
wow!! haha great work guys.. you really do have guts :) most people would never allow this to be done to them for practice
purpleglow18 1 year ago
How bad did it hurt?
lollipopleahh123 1 year ago
@lollipopleahh123 Didn't hurt at all. We used lidocaine to numb the area first.
doccriss 1 year ago
@doccriss well then thats why haha
lollipopleahh123 1 year ago
@doccriss Oh damn!!! It seemed like you were scared XD
lee16pc 1 year ago
the only danger here is that they were doing the procedure with a syringe because of the risk of emboli
guitarmaniac927 1 year ago
@guitarmaniac927 you have to pull back on the plunger of the syringe at the same time as you advance because ej is low pressure and you might not get a big flashback
demerssol 1 year ago
i agree with salsacrazy1989, air embolis, stroke anyone!
jamesdove1987 1 year ago
@jamesdove1987 You're stupid. This procedure is no different than pulling blood out of any other vein in the body.
doccriss 1 year ago 9
@doccriss Wow, your answer belies your ignorance. That is a major vein and can very well lead to air embolism and stroke, as jamesdove posted. I know you don't want to think that, but it's true. And those of us who have actually been medics for awhile know this. While it is true that the EJ is a GREAT place for an IV, it is absolutely NOT the best place for someone to be practicing on you. And god forbid you blow an EJ...ever seen that? Not pretty.
thewinecooler123 1 year ago
@jamesdove1987 no actually it venous so it would be a pulmonary embolism (same as you would get if you injected blood into your arm vein. A stroke is an occlusion of the arterial system in the brain. Even if it did happen, he is young and has plenty of residual lung volume so it would be of little consequence. Within a few hours - day the air would diffuse out. This is similar to if you had a small pneumothorax (not tension). give O2 and your fine in a few hrs
@vamedic4 you are a complete idiot
asatishchandran 1 year ago
@asatishchandran , "plenty of residule lung volume", interesting as i have seen many a young adult die of a PE, "fine in a few hours" no not really. And venous, with the lack of Ultra sounded guidence how would you be sure? You must remember there are risks of removing the cannula as well as its insertion, and actually you can suffer a stroke in the venous system as a CVA . I have seen a patient who developed a right hemi after removal of his central line due to this, his life was ruined.
jamesdove1987 1 year ago
@jamesdove1987 You mad bro? Do you know how much
naxps 1 year ago
@jamesdove1987 You're really, really stupid like 'doccriss' said: ' This procedure is no different than pulling blood out of any other vein in the body.'
Have you ever performed this procedure before? If not, I stongly advice you to shut up.
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blkteg95 1 year ago
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blkteg95 1 year ago
Dude BRAVE MAN to stay there Your in the army stay brave and fight for your country
habbohackers171 1 year ago
Great training! Great video we "talk about it" and see photos of it. In the field when you really need to gain IV access that is NOT the time to learn how to. In my 10 years I have only done 2 EJ's my first was in a hospital er under the watchful eyes of the er doc. he takes the time to teach those that are willing to listen, watch, ask questions and learn. Keep up the good work
toddwright29055 1 year ago
man this would be a weird feeling!
towerrigger 1 year ago
i dont think id be able to do that! im glad i just stick with setting IVC's in dogs and cats lol..man yall are a doin a good job
afccapt07 1 year ago
Neat. I cant wait to start my paramedic training. I'm only 21 and at the EMT-Basic level. While taking other classes in college everything seemed boring. Then I took classes for EMS and it grabbed my attention like no other. I knew then this is what I wanted to do with my life.
BloodLust1121 1 year ago
This is incredible. Incredibly stupid, that is. First offf, we see absolutely zero infection control. No alcohol used, nothing. Not to mention the fact that this procedure has serious complications. Doing this on people who don't require it is dangerous and stupid. Wow.
vamedic4 1 year ago
@vamedic4 This training is overseen by one of the best military trauma doctors in the business. His instructors or some of the best special forces medics there are. Alcohol was applied to my neck before the video started, I assure you. This procedure has no more serious complications than hitting any other vein in the body. I wouldn't expect you to understand as you practice civilian pre-hospital medicine. Things are much different in my world.
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Great training! Great video we "talk about it" and see photos of it. In the field when you really need to gain IV access that is NOT the time to learn how to. In my 10 years I have only done 2 EJ's my first was in a hospital er under the watchful eyes of the er doc. he takes the time to teach those that are willing to listen, watch, ask questions and learn. Keep up the good work
toddwright29055 1 year ago
@doccriss What do you mean no more serious complications? What about the carotid artery??
Salsacrazy1989 1 year ago
@Salsacrazy1989 If you can't tell the difference between the EJ and the carotid, then you don't need to be in medicine.
doccriss 1 year ago 3
@doccriss Agreed, however it is still a valid complication, especially as there is some weird anatomical variations around. Just a point.
Salsacrazy1989 1 year ago
@Salsacrazy1989 i think that that guy who inserted the IV hit the vein, got an initial bank flow BUT did not get a back flow in the end. am i right? good thing that didn't burst or had through and through.
gramtear2003 1 year ago
@gramtear2003 I think you're right....i guess it's not the best demonstration for teaching purposes. And yeah, lucky it didn't all go wrong!
Salsacrazy1989 1 year ago
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blkteg95 1 year ago
@vamedic4
stfu fag
JMFL22 1 year ago
On a scale fron 1 - 10 how much does this hurt? And does getting this done on your hand or arm hurt more?
rhylovesjb 2 years ago
@rhylovesjb gettin stuck in your hand hurts WAY more...
mrwildwildwest 1 year ago
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hurley326 2 years ago
Wow this is me lol. This was for an OEMS class and this is my best friend Dennis giving me the IV, I went next so we both had some trust for eachother and it was amazing training. I can't believe I stumbled across this years later, thank you to the OEMS guys. The jugular is the last vein to give out, if the man is alive he you will be able to find the juglar, despite the loss of all limbs if that's what it comes to.
hurley326 2 years ago
This is not you, you tool!!! It's me, the owner of the video.
doccriss 2 years ago
You think he fished enough?
EKUSoldierMedic 2 years ago
So wrong, most patients I've stuck EJ's in say they're amazed that an iv in the neck didn't hurt much at all, and without lido. It's not that bad and your patient that is a tough iv start will appreciate you getting your iv in the fewest attempts possible. If they say that always get an EJ, I just put them in. They're just too easy.
Scotchtwin18 2 years ago
what a good sport for letting you do this. I thnk more and more peopple shold learn this way.
chefd907 2 years ago
That is probably one of the worst things I have seen...I would NEVER let someone give start an EJ while I am concious!
johnjay318 2 years ago
Didn't hurt a bit. We put lidocaine wheels in before we do it.
doccriss 2 years ago
I just passed out.
Britlee43 2 years ago 3