amazing!!! What all dressage should be like bitted or bitless - FEI should introduce a catagory for the minority who ride like this or add it as a sub section - most of the riders going for the 2012 would not be able to ride like this - compression free!
@Elquequeriaquerer non ce n'est pas ce qu'il y a de plus dur, je ne saurais pas te le prouvver de moi meme, mais en cherchant sur ggogle ca rjke me posait la meme question , j'avais trouvé des gens qui avaient prouvé que ca n'avais rien de mauvais.
@ninoush007 c'est vrai, il ya plus dur que ca...mais ce n'est pas "doux" comme le prétendent beaucoup ! mes chevaux les plus difficiles je les manie avec ce licol. plus dur, pour moi, c'est les cavecons espagnols. je trouve qu'un mors simple bien utilisé est ce qu'il y a de plus doux. en tous cas c'est intéressant de pouvoir échanger. vous travaillez avec les chevaux? b soiree
@Elquequeriaquerer Eh bien je monte chaque mercredi parce que je possède pas encore mon cheval mais la ou je monte on est tous au licol donc la premeire fois que j'etias a cheval c'etait au licol, donc j'ai jamais vraiment approché d'autres méthodes sauf grace a des conaissances mais c'etit tres . bref ^^
It looks to me like she could ride the horse better than this. He isn't putting most of his weight to his hind legs like he should. But considering it's bitless riding, it's surprisingly well ridden.
And just wondering. Why is there no walk in this dressage? I would like have seen how the horse walks.
I wish I could reach such a person......Spirit Bridle creates 'Supreme Performance Through Supreme Freedom'.....if only the dressage world and FEI would wake up to the simple fact that the bit impedes the horse.
Dragonharte, if you'd ridden dressage for over 20 years, you should be better than you are.
If you HAVE improved, where are YOUR videos?
Doesn't matter if she's schooled the horse previously in a bit. She's doing a lovely job in a halter, although IMHO, she's look better and be more effective by correcting the behind-the-vertical posture in the upper body.
But, hey, it's Catherine Henriquet -- she doesn't care about (or need) my two cents.
> I can state unequivially that this horse appears to have been previously schooled bitted.
Yes of course. And that's what I explained in the video information and in some comments. Actually Catherine Henriquet trains her horse in rope halter on a regular basis (twice a week if I remember well) but the main training is done with a bit.
Humm, Catherine Henriquet's work is exceptional, but, DON'T COMPARE! Totilas, Salinero, Parzival... good horses, no, the BEST horses, using a double bit briddle, what's the matter? For compare the different works, Catherine Henriquet has to ride a Totilas or a Salinero! , Michel, is , in my opinion, a good , but ordinary, horse.
@hipicalasentiu loool : Michel is the name of her husband ! not the name of the horse ! Catherine Durand (Olympic rider - fyi) married Michel Henriquet, former student of Nuno de Oliveira....
Not perfect, but he moves freely and isn't crammed between the bit and spur, so much more pleasant to watch than a horse trying to cope with bits and spurs. Now if she'd just lose the spurs and settle for what she can get without upping the pressure.
Actually, it's not really that collected. It is a little lazy behind and you can clearly see that the back is hollow. Also, the horse jumps together behind in the canter work and he loses rhythm in the pirouette.
It is a lovely idea, yes, but not entirely correct dressage.
A horse has to be mentally, emotionally, and physically collected before they are collected.
Have you seen how the horse's look if they've been trained the high level moves with Rolkur? They are all strung out and that's not collection at all.
Whether or not it's considered true physical collection in your book, the horse is at least mentally and emotionally collected, and that's the two hardest stage to achieve and alot of normal dressage riders do not achieve that.
'Mental' and 'emotional' collection does not exist. How can a horse be 'mentally' or 'emotionally' carrying weight on the hind leg??
What you are describing is covered in the term 'losgelassenheit', known as suppleness in English. Suppleness not only relates to physical relaxation and flexability, but also the calm and focused mental state you are trying to describe.
Although, this horse does appear tense in some moments, but this is from the (rather scary) environment, not the training.
Also, many correct dressage riders can achieve not only 'losgelassenheit', but true collection (versammlung) as well.
Considering that one must first achieve rhythm, suppleness, contact, impulsion and straightness before they can achieve collection, ANY truely collected horse is relaxed.
And it doesn't matter if a horse is not correct because of hyperflexion or by some other means; the horse is STILL not correct.
just to say that the horse is young in Dressage, he has just started Piaffer and Passage for example, the movements are still shy and not perfect. C. Henriquet thinks she can now go to perform a "St George". It's not yet the "Grand Prix". Patience... :)
Yes, but relaxed and free only gets one so far. I would rather see relaxed, free, expressive, straight, forward, cadenced AND collected.
Any rider can have a horse relaxed and free, all they have to do is give them the buckle. To ride with TRUE collection, now that is an art. And one can ride like this regardless of the horse's age, breed, height or experience.
However, it seems that everyone only wants to ride on the buckle for the rest of their lives?
He's not really lazy behind, he is more than active enough, and far more so than almost anything else you see that passes for dressage these days...he's actually carrying himself. He looks llovely, if a little bit spooky.
and you want to know what's sad? If this was shown in a test, she would probably be told by the judges "not round enough", "horse coming above the bit"
WOW! Thank you for showing what it's supposed to look like!
Rollkurites, take note! this is a natural head position! Slightly in front of the vertical is the NATURAL position and the the posture that the horse chooses!
And such lovely, active steps in the trot, still with all the expression of many of the top combinations while using his hind end. And I just love that he he so nicely before the vertical yet the neck is still arched because his head is there through self carrige. Not held there. Be nice if I could do this ;)
The idea was to proove that working with a bridle doesn't mean using strength but precision as the bridle brings a clearer signal to the horse ; plus the hands are not the only part in communication: seat, balance and legs too.
If the rider did a good job, the horse can be ridden in bridle as in hlater...as bridleless.
To let people know about dressage in rope halter here : Catherine Henriquet usually trains her horses in bridle. She just demonstrated in rope halter during this annual event in France (former "Savvy days" related to PNH, now called "Rencontres éthologiques").
Previously, I'd only seen Karen Rolf, "Dressage Naturally" instructor and author, perform brilliant dressage routines with only a rope halter or neck string. Note the relaxation of the horse in this video and his quiet tail. This is what dressage is supposed to look like!
Sauf qu'elle est obligée d'avoir une action de main beaucoup plus ferme avec le licol (avec tout l'avant bras) alors qu'avec une bride elle pourrait garder les mains à leur place et avoir une action beaucoup plus subtile uniquement avec les doigts. A part ça, super beau boulot, une grande dame et un cheval magnifique !
amazing!!! What all dressage should be like bitted or bitless - FEI should introduce a catagory for the minority who ride like this or add it as a sub section - most of the riders going for the 2012 would not be able to ride like this - compression free!
pandorawarrior1 3 weeks ago
Wow!
MissRaspberry88 6 months ago
mais...c'est mauvais ! et le licol en corde, c'est ce qu'il y a de plus dur sur le chanfrein d'un cheval ! (presque)
Elquequeriaquerer 8 months ago
@Elquequeriaquerer non ce n'est pas ce qu'il y a de plus dur, je ne saurais pas te le prouvver de moi meme, mais en cherchant sur ggogle ca rjke me posait la meme question , j'avais trouvé des gens qui avaient prouvé que ca n'avais rien de mauvais.
ninoush007 7 months ago
@ninoush007 c'est vrai, il ya plus dur que ca...mais ce n'est pas "doux" comme le prétendent beaucoup ! mes chevaux les plus difficiles je les manie avec ce licol. plus dur, pour moi, c'est les cavecons espagnols. je trouve qu'un mors simple bien utilisé est ce qu'il y a de plus doux. en tous cas c'est intéressant de pouvoir échanger. vous travaillez avec les chevaux? b soiree
Elquequeriaquerer 7 months ago
@Elquequeriaquerer Eh bien je monte chaque mercredi parce que je possède pas encore mon cheval mais la ou je monte on est tous au licol donc la premeire fois que j'etias a cheval c'etait au licol, donc j'ai jamais vraiment approché d'autres méthodes sauf grace a des conaissances mais c'etit tres . bref ^^
ninoush007 7 months ago
Wow! Fabulous display of horsemanship.. and dressage done correctly with harmony.
savvygirl19 8 months ago
It looks to me like she could ride the horse better than this. He isn't putting most of his weight to his hind legs like he should. But considering it's bitless riding, it's surprisingly well ridden.
And just wondering. Why is there no walk in this dressage? I would like have seen how the horse walks.
shierrinflame 11 months ago
@shierrinflame Clearly this is more of an exhibition than a test...and I imagine the walk occured after the video shut off
kara2lucy 9 months ago
Trop Génial :) Exceptionnelle :) ♥
thegodot08430 11 months ago
waouh quel beau travail, bravo
liequartz 11 months ago
c'est vraiment magnifique
Eldia1505 1 year ago
Fabulous...loved every second of it.!
shelbyco5 1 year ago
I agree. This horse already knew his job.
PinkBelle2006 1 year ago
I wish I could reach such a person......Spirit Bridle creates 'Supreme Performance Through Supreme Freedom'.....if only the dressage world and FEI would wake up to the simple fact that the bit impedes the horse.
dragonharte8 1 year ago
Dragonharte, if you'd ridden dressage for over 20 years, you should be better than you are.
If you HAVE improved, where are YOUR videos?
Doesn't matter if she's schooled the horse previously in a bit. She's doing a lovely job in a halter, although IMHO, she's look better and be more effective by correcting the behind-the-vertical posture in the upper body.
But, hey, it's Catherine Henriquet -- she doesn't care about (or need) my two cents.
aniranch 1 year ago
ah ca fait plaisir a voir !! une belle reprise de dress sans un gros arnachement
cesancy 1 year ago
Having ridden dressage for over twenty years bitless, I can state unequivially that this horse appears to have been previously schooled bitted.
That being said, FEI and USEF should 'immediately' change the rules to allow bitless v. bitted in the same competiton.
dragonharte8 1 year ago 3
@dragonharte8
> I can state unequivially that this horse appears to have been previously schooled bitted.
Yes of course. And that's what I explained in the video information and in some comments. Actually Catherine Henriquet trains her horse in rope halter on a regular basis (twice a week if I remember well) but the main training is done with a bit.
faenix73 1 year ago
de plus il est en licol ce qui complique un peu les aides
crazymangas 1 year ago
Wow, love this! :D
juliacelin 2 years ago
THIS is what we should be seeing in Dressage.
Anky, EG and the rest go get some lessons from Catherine Henriquet !!!
Superb !
BanRollkur 2 years ago 2
Humm, Catherine Henriquet's work is exceptional, but, DON'T COMPARE! Totilas, Salinero, Parzival... good horses, no, the BEST horses, using a double bit briddle, what's the matter? For compare the different works, Catherine Henriquet has to ride a Totilas or a Salinero! , Michel, is , in my opinion, a good , but ordinary, horse.
hipicalasentiu 2 years ago
Oh yes! I quite agree, let's not compare her or her horse to Totilas, Salinero etc... there is JUST no comparison !!!
This is DRESSAGE, the rest are just yanking and kicking their horses until they give in.
Couldn't agree more !
BanRollkur 2 years ago
I'm 100% in agreement with you and loved this vid too :)
zrx110099 2 years ago
@hipicalasentiu loool : Michel is the name of her husband ! not the name of the horse ! Catherine Durand (Olympic rider - fyi) married Michel Henriquet, former student of Nuno de Oliveira....
nomadebm 1 year ago
trés joli cheval, et joli représentation !
shiinami 2 years ago
Not perfect, but he moves freely and isn't crammed between the bit and spur, so much more pleasant to watch than a horse trying to cope with bits and spurs. Now if she'd just lose the spurs and settle for what she can get without upping the pressure.
kande50 2 years ago
Awesome but it looks like she threw the barn halter on him. We need to get some beautiful halters to show in
linustheferret 2 years ago
Just downright amazing! Thank you for showing that dressage CAN be done without force, cruelty and abuse.
That horse is perfectly collected mentally, emotionally, and physically!
Bravo!
SonnyWimps 2 years ago 5
Actually, it's not really that collected. It is a little lazy behind and you can clearly see that the back is hollow. Also, the horse jumps together behind in the canter work and he loses rhythm in the pirouette.
It is a lovely idea, yes, but not entirely correct dressage.
MzEmz307 2 years ago
A horse has to be mentally, emotionally, and physically collected before they are collected.
Have you seen how the horse's look if they've been trained the high level moves with Rolkur? They are all strung out and that's not collection at all.
Whether or not it's considered true physical collection in your book, the horse is at least mentally and emotionally collected, and that's the two hardest stage to achieve and alot of normal dressage riders do not achieve that.
SonnyWimps 2 years ago
'Mental' and 'emotional' collection does not exist. How can a horse be 'mentally' or 'emotionally' carrying weight on the hind leg??
What you are describing is covered in the term 'losgelassenheit', known as suppleness in English. Suppleness not only relates to physical relaxation and flexability, but also the calm and focused mental state you are trying to describe.
Although, this horse does appear tense in some moments, but this is from the (rather scary) environment, not the training.
MzEmz307 2 years ago
Also, many correct dressage riders can achieve not only 'losgelassenheit', but true collection (versammlung) as well.
Considering that one must first achieve rhythm, suppleness, contact, impulsion and straightness before they can achieve collection, ANY truely collected horse is relaxed.
And it doesn't matter if a horse is not correct because of hyperflexion or by some other means; the horse is STILL not correct.
MzEmz307 2 years ago
Hi,
just to say that the horse is young in Dressage, he has just started Piaffer and Passage for example, the movements are still shy and not perfect. C. Henriquet thinks she can now go to perform a "St George". It's not yet the "Grand Prix". Patience... :)
faenix73 2 years ago
He is a lovely horse. I hope he continues to improve as he gets older and stronger and more confident with all the 'tricks'.
MzEmz307 2 years ago
true, but i would much rather see relaxed free movement at this stage of training than using the bit to force him.
this can evolve better and better over time.... forced riding never results in beauty, as some very famous people have shown us over and over.... :P
bettylion 2 years ago
Yes, but relaxed and free only gets one so far. I would rather see relaxed, free, expressive, straight, forward, cadenced AND collected.
Any rider can have a horse relaxed and free, all they have to do is give them the buckle. To ride with TRUE collection, now that is an art. And one can ride like this regardless of the horse's age, breed, height or experience.
However, it seems that everyone only wants to ride on the buckle for the rest of their lives?
MzEmz307 2 years ago
He's not really lazy behind, he is more than active enough, and far more so than almost anything else you see that passes for dressage these days...he's actually carrying himself. He looks llovely, if a little bit spooky.
thecrazydolls 2 years ago
Totally superb to watch. Wow! :O
Brackentheboy 2 years ago
and you want to know what's sad? If this was shown in a test, she would probably be told by the judges "not round enough", "horse coming above the bit"
bettylion 2 years ago 2
WOW! Thank you for showing what it's supposed to look like!
Rollkurites, take note! this is a natural head position! Slightly in front of the vertical is the NATURAL position and the the posture that the horse chooses!
bettylion 2 years ago
FEI and Judges TAKE NOTE, this is correct dressage ...can you please stick to the rules of dressage and award tests such as this one.
Now is the time to Ban Rollkur from Competition venues !!
BanRollkur 2 years ago 9
genial! einfach wunderschön:)
Doniiii95 2 years ago
She is a real breath of fresh air!!!!
canterpir0uette 2 years ago
And such lovely, active steps in the trot, still with all the expression of many of the top combinations while using his hind end. And I just love that he he so nicely before the vertical yet the neck is still arched because his head is there through self carrige. Not held there. Be nice if I could do this ;)
thecrazydolls 2 years ago 3
wow... this is amazing, i'm officially a bit jealous :)
PiRoxMYeventingSox 2 years ago 2
WOW! :D
Dreaming3horses 2 years ago 2
Superb! this is what Anky, Kittel and Gal need to look at to see TRUE dressage !!!
Nobody can ever say that this is cruel ???
BanRollkur 2 years ago 2
speechless!!! i'm mailing to every single person that looks baffled at me when i say i ride this or that horse on a halter...
DJBelbe 2 years ago 2
Up, open, and joyful. Brilliant! :-)
amylacy1 2 years ago
The idea was to proove that working with a bridle doesn't mean using strength but precision as the bridle brings a clearer signal to the horse ; plus the hands are not the only part in communication: seat, balance and legs too.
If the rider did a good job, the horse can be ridden in bridle as in hlater...as bridleless.
faenix73 2 years ago 3
@faenix73
=that's called lightness... All the secret is here!
I like your comments!
alexandracmoi 1 year ago
To let people know about dressage in rope halter here : Catherine Henriquet usually trains her horses in bridle. She just demonstrated in rope halter during this annual event in France (former "Savvy days" related to PNH, now called "Rencontres éthologiques").
faenix73 2 years ago
Previously, I'd only seen Karen Rolf, "Dressage Naturally" instructor and author, perform brilliant dressage routines with only a rope halter or neck string. Note the relaxation of the horse in this video and his quiet tail. This is what dressage is supposed to look like!
horsnhound1 2 years ago
Mon petit PiouPiou... Comme il est devenu grand et fort :-)
alexandracmoi 2 years ago
How lovely..... And what a happy, relaxed looking horse. Bravo!
SuperCheryl13 2 years ago
Sauf qu'elle est obligée d'avoir une action de main beaucoup plus ferme avec le licol (avec tout l'avant bras) alors qu'avec une bride elle pourrait garder les mains à leur place et avoir une action beaucoup plus subtile uniquement avec les doigts. A part ça, super beau boulot, une grande dame et un cheval magnifique !
flooded42 2 years ago
Est ce aussi possible sans éperons ?
pablopolkaprisca 2 years ago
oui bien sur
Mynke16 2 years ago
tout simplement magnifique.
Et une belle preuve qu'il est inutile d'arracher la bouche de nos chers chevaux !
Bigmat44 2 years ago