1998 Semis Game 4: Bulls V Hornets

[adamdyerseve]

the big Seinfeld finale 

[15DMW]

Mike's fake on Vlade= EXCELLENCE!!!

[VIPVICT]

look at 5:58!! beautiful

[kuriaki71]

divac is a cool guy

[fgypsy45]

he should never came back after that but it was just some ball games for charity people like to turn shit on people it gives them some sense of feminity to feel sexy

[ryanrama21]

you cant win a game making fancy moves. You win games making shots. Thats why MJ is the G.O.A.T.

[lumipifeslb]

5:55 just beautiful

[iTzeXile13]

RIP bobby phills

[KeanBurke]

Man I watched all these games as a kid but I never realized how impressive every single thing Jordan did was at the time, the NBA has changed.

[MJisKingKobesuckss]

Can you say foul at 1:26 hand checking like a mofo

[LONGBO1980]

R.I.P. Bobby Phills

[ksmall82]

I forgot how stacked some teams in the 90s were: Divac, Mason, Rice, Phills, and Wesley w/ Geiger, JR Reid, and BJ off the bench and all of these players were in their prime.

[vincecartertorryholt]

yup.

[TRYMEYRMOMDID]

team win,jordan had 3 games in that series scoring 46 or more points,he also scored 48 in the game 4 loss!!!so plz dont say boston was a better team,so what portland were better than the bulls yeat my rose to the occasion and won 4-2!!kobe diodnt do fucking anything instead the over rated tosser and his team blew a 24 point lead in game 4,one of the most embarassing losses in nba finals history and then gets hammered by 29 in game 6!!!kobe is a joke and will never ever win another ring!!

[coffee468]

never win another ring, huh? lol

[TRYMEYRMOMDID]

omg why are you 2 bribling on about shit who cares about kobe,the guy is an overrated tosser anyway!!people say he is best in nba yest in last years finals he played pathetic not even having 1 30 point plus game in 6 which is a joke!!and to you kobe rim lickers who say well we was playing boston a better team bollocks,look at 1992 finals portland was supposed to beat chicago and were a better team than the bulls,but what happened?jordan played amazing and bulls won 4-2!!great players help your

[loco46m]

Is it just me, or do Isiah Thomas and Doug Collins make the most awkward duo in broadcasting? lol

[MIKESOWELL]

To me Kobe is closer to a George Gervin, a Scoring Machine who doesn't make the players around him better. Although Gervin is noted for his lack of defense, he is #2 all time in blocked shots for Shooting Guards. Who's #1? Some guy from North Carolina lol.

[lakidj23887]

i liked this hornets team, they managed to turn unhappy mourning and l.j. into a great rice-mason combo, with rice getting an instant 25 a game, getting divac for bryant who didn't want to play in charlotte and signing wesley and phills

[kitengir]

I was never aware that Kobe didn't want to play in charlotte I knew that Jerry West really want Kobe but I think you're wrong about that

[lakidj23887]

i read somewhere that coming into the league he said that he would only play for the knicks, lakers or his hometown sixers. and as you said west wanted him so that's how he got with LA

[kitengir]

yea well like I said I'm pretty sure you're worng

[beats1n1shit]

its actually true. you think the hornets wanted to trade away kobe. before he even played one game he demanded a trade. you're pretty sure eh? let me correct that. you're pretty wrong

[kitengir]

you're a fukin idiot kobe was picked like #13 in da draft the Hornets didn't know what they had the only one who really saw that potential was West, you don't know shit you fukin bitch!!!!

[beats1n1shit]

oh you got me there!..yeah i know he was picked #13 jackass..he still demanded a trade why don't you do some fuckin research on it before you spew your bias opinion. whether you want to believe it or not, kobe demanded a trade. oh and you think west was the only one who saw the potential. then why the fuck do you think the hornets drafted him, because they thought he was bad right. he was widely considered the best high school ball player ever, everyone knew how good he was fuckin dumbass prick

[kitengir]

you're a fukin idiot if he was so highly thought of he would've went #1 or 2 shit kwame brown went number 1 and he's a fukin bum u don't know shit fuk you shut da fuk up talkin 2 me you retarded fuk!!!

[beats1n1shit]

you should try an english class, it will do you wonders. and btw, before kwame was drafted everyone thought he was going to be a good nba player, thats why he was drafted number 1. if he wasn't drafted number 1, the next team would've drafted him straight away. the hornets took kobe with their FIRST pick. were not talking about what other teams thought of kobe were talking about what the hornets thought of kobe. are you a fucking retard?...serious question

[kitengir]

look here u fukin faggot the way I type this way on purpose so keep thinking you're smart. kobe didn't demand a trade he was traded for Vlade Divac which at the time was a good quality player. It's like if I have my eye on OJ mayo in my mind knowing he's a good player and I offer Pau Gasol for him I'm 99.9% positive that the grizzlies would do it. But what da fuk am I explaining shit to you anyway? ur a fukin idiot, didn't i tell your bitch azz to shut da fuk up talkin to me u inbred fuk!!!

[beats1n1shit]

no you talk that way because your an idiot. and you don't even understand my points, its sad really. and now all you can do is swear and insult. you bring no valid points, and no. the grizzlies wouldn't take pau gasol for gasol, the just fuckn traded him away for nothing.

[kitengir]

I know it's hard for your underdeveloped inbred brain to understand what I say to you but who da fuk said gasol for gasol??? I have to remind myself that I'm dealing with a mentally challenged individual here. ur stupid azz said Bryant demanded a trade which he didn't that's a fact I don't need to make any "valid" points. So just keep runnin ur fukin mouth like da bitch that u are!!!!

[brxazilian]

R.I.P Bobby Phills & Malik Sealy...

[kitengir]

I second that R.I.P. Bobby Phills and Malik Sealy but what happened to Malik I wasn't aware of that

[blackadam06]

A drunk driver came down the wrong side of the road & killed him in a head on collision..

It truly was sad to see his life taken from him in that manner..

[kitengir]

when did dat happen to Malik??

[blackadam06]

If I remember, I think it was in 2000.

[frankmartinisadouche]

That actually isn't true. He and David Wesley were driving erratically and Phills spun across into oncoming traffic and was hit.

Wesley was even convicted of reckless driving.

Still a tragedy, though.

[blackadam06]

I was talkin' about Malik Sealy, not Bobby Phills.

I "KNOW" the story on Bobby, he was my frat brotha.

[kronic15]

YEa bobby is my Cousin he will for ever be missed

[roncarl9]

good upload, forgot b.j played for the hornets

[JungleBurn]

R.I.P Bobby! How much point is he score in this game?

[TRJ22487]

I wonder if David Wesley has truly moved on from seeing Bobby die

[jaboo82681]

Don't know cause something like that you probably never really get over

[ucfkid67]

oh my!! 5:59 Jordan sends divac flying and finishes with a sweet layup. Dam...

[Wisch83]

I loved that Charlotte Hornets Team 96-98. Rice, Divac, Mason,... Good Team. But not good enough to beat MJ.

[cowboykiller47]

I feel bad how that ended with BJ Amstrong I mean he did retire a Bulls and did become assistant GM but then Paxson was given the Job and now BJ is out of the NBA.

[jumpnam]

R.I.P Bobby Phills. He was a great player, alot of heart.

[jaboo82681]

I love Rodman, his comments about Mason " I asked if he wanted to tango but he didn't know the steps." Classic Rodman

[ForEmily23]

Not only is MJ the greatest ball player ever, he's also the smoothest.... everything he does looks effortless

[ronalabraham]

that's really it, isn't it? jordan made dominance look better than anyone else.

[m1283]

love that bob costas! GOT IT

[MIKESOWELL]

i get irritated by young bucks who say that he cant shoot 3s.there wasnt even a 3 point line when mike played in NC

[blackadam06]

Yeah they R idiots. The next time those "young bucks" say that, ask them to explain why KB is "ONLY" a "CAREER" 33% VS MJ's 32% & he's shot "TWICE" as many of 'em just to be better by 1% LOL!! What does that tell U?. If MJ isn't a 3 pt shooter, then neither is KB. The minimum to be considered a threat is 35%. MJ did that for "5" seasons, KB "2". MJ also shot higher than 37% "4" times, KB only "Twice"..

[deyonce]

but honestly i think if kobe were in a 3 point competition he would do better than mike did. but mike could shoot from there when he got hot

[blackadam06]

Seasons With:

40% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 2 > KB 0

35% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 5 > KB 2

37% in 3 pt shooting: MJ 4 > KB 2

Career 3 pt %: KB 33% > MJ 32%

He's shot "TWICE" as many of 'em just to be 1% better. What does that tell U? Just 'cause ya shoot more of 'em, doesn't mean you're "BETTER" than the next guy. MJ's #'s AGAIN show who's the more PROFICIENT shooter. If KB's career marks don't give U an indication of his shooting ablities, then nothing will..

[deyonce]

which is why i said mike could shoot from there if he got hot. as far as mikes three point shot early in his career he shied away from it, and always remember that kobe's career is not over yet! and yes MICHAEL IS THE GREATEST

[yoreich]

yes jordan attempted like a 1/3 of the 3 ptrs he usually shoots in a season and shot 20% from beyond the arc that season, cos his finger was screwed up and he didnt realy have a shot. pretty good to average 28 pts like that...

[MIKESOWELL]

LOL HOW TRUE!

[MIKESOWELL]

his field goal % would now be considered good by 2007 standards.

[MIKESOWELL]

He wound up making 881 of 1,893 FGAs, good for a .465 average and his 10th scoring title with 2,357 points or 28.7.

[blackadam06]

Yeah, people don't realize he played that 'ENTIRE' year with a torn ligament in his dislocated index finger on his shooting hand LOL!! 46% was a "Down" year for him! That's better than any 2 guard in the league now & it "TIES" KB's "BEST" shooting yr from the field LOL!

[MIKESOWELL]

I remember how much flack Mike got for his shooting that season.But people forget was that about 2 months into the season Mike was shooting like 37% and averaging 24 a game.People were saying he was losing it.

[mog23air]

06 Bruh!!! Keep Uploading Bruh. Great rare games

[g13m13]

pippen played some good ass D

[clarkman83]

you got a good point, LOL!

[clarkman83]

blackadam, I respect your factual statement about MJ's shooting % in '98. Even though I'll admit that I'm a KB (and let's not forget) MJ fan, MJ DID shoot a better % of shots from the field. BUT, I believe Kobe's field goal pct. would be MUCH higher if he stop shooting so many threes! LOL

[blackadam06]

It's all good bruh..I enjoy talkin' hoops with "REAL" fans. It's these uninformed clowns that try & discredit those who've "EARNED" their 'Legendary' status, to make themselves feel better about KB's shortcomings when measured against the 'Greats', that get on my nerves LOL!!..

[blackadam06]

An example of this.. this guy named 'dudewheresmycar' (I know..the name says it all) said that Oscar Robinson, Wilt, Jerry West & Elgin Baylor were "overrated & scrubs". These are some of the greatest who ever did it & Hall of Famers! But when I posted their career #'s vs KB's & he saw KB's doesn't measure up to them, he gave the typical KB fan response: "You're a hater!!" LOL!! That's what get's on my nerves..

[jumpnam]

ha ha yeah im feelin u man. Im a jordan guy, and theres jus no comparison with anybody. People always bring up 81pts and say that makes kobe better than mj. What they dont realise is that it wasnt about the scoring. Even if mike never had 100s of 40 and numerous 50 and 60pt games, he would still be the greatest. KB's been in the league 10yrs now, long enough to compare legitimately. And no matter what he does over the rest of his career, he'll never come close.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@jumpnam

"And no matter what he does over the rest of his career, he'll never come close.

jumpnam"

That's the most bias piece of shit I have ever read.

[blackadam06]

Just for him to even MATCH MJ's career avg's, he'd LITERALLY from this point forward, have to avg 80 games a year 35ppg 7apg 10rpg 4spg on 54.2 FG%..FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS STRAIGHT.

He could LITERALLY make his next 1500 shots IN A ROW & he STILL wouldn't pass MJ in career FG%.

He could play in EVERY game of EVERY season until he was 50, he'd STILL have to avg 32ppg just to NEAR MJ's career ppg avg. If he played 8 more yrs, he'd need to avg 36ppg; 5 more yrs, 41ppg..

That's REAL, not biased..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Here we go with the stats. There is NO DOUBT in my mind Kobe can't reach those numbers at this stage with the age, mileage and his minutes but let me ask you this, are you saying Kobe is not capable of putting up those numbers?The ONLY thing MJ did better than Kobe at any point is consistently shoot the ball well. They don't even have the same career paths.I take NOTHING from what the GOAT, but the reality is that he did have the luxury of being the man from day one.

[blackadam06]

"are you saying Kobe is not capable of putting up those numbers?"

Not consistently. U disagree? SHOW ME "consistent" seasons of him doing this to even have an argument.

"The ONLY thing MJ did better than Kobe at any point is consistently shoot the ball well."

Well show me a season from kobe where he won DPOY, Steals Title & set the All Time record for most blocks by a guard..in the SAME season. Offensively, he can't even consistently lead the NBA in scoring, something MJ CONSISTENTLY did.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 MJ stole the ball at a higher clip,his FG% blasts Kobe's out the gate but you have to either be a Kobe hater, or extremely bias and stubborn to think stats tell it all for a player like Kobe. Not only is his stats above the ordinary shooting guards not named MJ, West,Wade or Drexler to name a few but his intangibles are above anything since MJ. I have no authority to tell anybody to put Kobe on MJ's level despite stats but when Kobe finishes with 6-8 rings, it can't be denied.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 We can do this whole stat thing all night, if this is your cup of tea. I'm going to go with the Big O then. Big O crushes all MJ's stats. Big O > MJ. Tell me anything MJ did consistently better than Oscar than win rings, but remember, we're comparing individuals so tell what MJ did better than the Big O??? Let's leave out rings, accolades and all the other media bias voting accomplishments and focus on pure ability.

[blackadam06]

"he did have the luxury of being the man from day one"

Which just means he was BETTER than his teammates as a rookie, and consistently went out & PROVED it every night. Kobe wasn't & couldn't, so that's a knock on him LOL!!

MJ did MANY things better than kobe & on a consistent basis at that & that's a FACT!

MJ LED his team in scoring, rebs, assists & steals as a rookie. Kobe's NEVER done that at ANY point in his career. Hell his best season for assists (481) only TIES MJ's rookie totals LOL!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 "Kobe wasn't & couldn't, so that's a knock on him LOL!! According to who?He was killing the Stackhouses of the league at that age. Harris was not going to start Kobe (an under the radar #13 pick) over Eddie Jones. It reasonably didn't make since at the time. Kobe averaged 25 PPG in the summer league but also played against seasoned vets in the 1996 off season and they all raved about his game. Here we go to STATS again.I see you are in love with the stat thing. Guess Wilt > MJ then.

[blackadam06]

"According to who?"

According to kobe since you're comparing him to MJ. U must judge him by the standard & precedence that MJ set. He's the standard bearer, not kobe..

"He was killing the Stackhouses of the league at that age"

By avg'n 7ppg 1rpg 1apg .69spg 41.7 FG%? LOL!!!

And kobe homers like yourself hate stats, because they FORCE U to deal in reality & exposes him for what he is when compared to MJ: an inefficient volume scorer/shooter.

[blackadam06]

And comparing MJ & Wilt is DUMB, because they play 2 different positions that have TOTALLY different demands. MJ & kobe play the SAME position, in the SAME offense, making for a more reasonable comparison.

Besides, once the "pace factor" is equalized, MJ has the best stats in history kid..

U really need to go educate yourself..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 By avg'n 7ppg 1rpg 1apg .69spg 41.7 FG%? LOL!!!" I know huh, but oh wait.....Kobe started his first year right?? Wait didn't Kobe come off the bench and average only 5 shots per game due to playing on a stacked team? Smh, guess MJ could do better with only 5 shots a game, huh? He could also turn piss into wine to I guess lol?

[wornoutshoes11]

@KB24Lakers4ever AFTER 7 MONTHS AND A LIFETIME TO COME... YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT KOBE BEING EQUAL TO MJ STILL IS LAME AND WILL ALWAYS BE PATHETIC, SPECIALLY AFTER THEY GOT SWEPT BY THE EVENTUAL CHAMPS DALLAS MAVERICKS... ALL THE MUCH NEEDED FACTS ARE LAYED UPON U IN DETAILS AND YET U REFUSE TO BOW DOWN! ACCEPT THE FACTS... KOBE IS THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN HISTORY AND MJ IS THE GOAT... END OF STORY!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Wilt's numbers crush everybody's when you think about it. It's arguable that MJ isn't any better than Wilt or Big O but he is more popular and has more rings so I guess by your logic.....Wilt & Big O > MJ & Kobe.

[blackadam06]

Once again U show your ignorance.

MJ shot .539 as a SG for his peak, which is BETTER than what Wilt shot his 1st 6 yrs in the league. Wilt's efficiency didn't increase until his volume of shots went WAY down. He shot 54% on 25 shots a game, MJ shot 53.5% at 24.4 shots per game..virtually identical.

As far as Big O, aside from his triple double season, MJ's BESTED his "overall" season 9 times, and he CERTAINLY WASN'T the defender MJ was. Even Jerry West pointed that out when comparing them..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 What the hell does % have to do with anything. Who are you Hollinger lol?? Anyways, how do you consider MJ besting Oscar, why because he scored more? What are you basing this on? First of all if I'm a Kobe homer, then you're a MJ homer so let's not make it seem like one is better than the other.Youtube only allows so many characters, but we can get deeper into this stat analysis. "Even Jerry West pointed that out when comparing them"...John Wooden said Kobe is the GOAT, so what?

[blackadam06]

"What the hell does % have to do with anything"

What? For U to ask that question, just shows your POOR basketball I.Q.

"John Wooden said Kobe is the GOAT"

He also said one time that Jamal Wilkes was better than Kareem at UCLA, so what's your point? Nobody's "opinion" of a player's talent & skill outweighs or is more credible than that player's consistent on-court RESULTS, which is a REFLECTION of that skill.

U guys are the ONLY fans who think that opinions of his skill is what defines it..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 U guys are the ONLY fans who think that opinions of his skill is what defines it.. "u guys". I like how you have analyzed my whole damn life of fan 30-40 minute debate, you must be some great guy to get along with. Anyway, once again, you ignore the flaws in your very own argument. You said "Even Jerry West pointed that out when comparing them.." so I wasn't saying that Kobe's the G.O.A.T because of what Wooden said, I was using the same logic to prove my point of...so what.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 I don't think my point is getting across to you so I'm going to ask you thins and PLEASE give me your honest, unbiased answer. Do you think MJ would still have those numbers if he played with Shaq?Be honest?

[blackadam06]

1st of all, kobe from 1999-04, avg'd MORE shots & mins per game than Shaq in the reg season, playoffs & finals, so Shaq DIDN'T limit him.

Having a LEGIT post player to open up the perimeter seemed to take the game's of other players like Magic, Bird, Reggie Miller, Steve Smith & Glen Rice (with Mourning), Sprewell & All Houston (with Ewing), and Drexler (with Olajuwon) to ANOTHER LEVEL.

MJ with DOMINANT Big that opened up the floor for him like it did those guys?

45ppg avg AT LEAST LOL!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 45ppg avg AT LEAST LOL!! and u are basing this on what? We will never know but just by your logic, without Shaq....Kobe could have averaged 30-35 PPG for his whole career up to this point lol.

[blackadam06]

"without Shaq....Kobe could have averaged 30-35 PPG for his whole career"

Then WHY couldn't he "consistently" do it in the post Shaq years, especially since the new rules FAVORS guys like him? B4 the NBA changed the rules, only 3 wing players were in the Top 10 scorers list, after the change, that # JUMPED to 11 & they had a 23% INCREASE in scoring & 4% INCREASE in FG%.

All that, and he STILL can't consistently avg 30ppg or lead the league in scoring, so please, get real kid..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Lmao, where the hell where you from 2005-07 when he had no help? Didn't he lead the league twice?? Does scoring titles equal you being some kind of God? You get real kid lol basketball is more than stats, and you fail to mention how Kobe is right up there with MJ in rings as a HUGE contributor and can possibly tie him?Oh let me guess, but he's had great teams around him. So has many superstars but they don't lead their teams to 5 championships & I'm not discounting Shaq at all.

[blackadam06]

"Didn't he lead the league twice?"

Yeah & that's it..only TWICE..

"basketball is more than stats"

Yeah but we're discussing them "individually", which is where talent & skill come into play, which the stats just PROVE who consistently produces the better RESULTS from their individual talent & skill, so where's the PROOF for kobe since U say he's on his level?

Kobe's been OUTPERFORMED by a teammate in 5 finals he's appeared in, and has NEVER dominated a finals like MJ.

kobe = MJ-lite

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 "kobe = MJ-lite" Ok what's bad about that? Considering you are extremely bias, I consider that a success debating with you. My intentions were never to change your mind, but your logic doesn't come off as subjective. At the end of the day we are both very bias as we both probably have watched more live games and idolized/analyzed our respective players. I'm just being real, you are just about as bias as any MJ fan I've ever debated with and probably vice versa for me.

[blackadam06]

Kobe's:

37-97 (38%) in career Game 7's

38-108 (35%) in 5 title clinching games

333-808 (41%) in career finals FG%

6-24 (25%) in Game 7 of last year's finals

11-36 (30%) combined in the 4th qtrs of last year's finals

He also tied his OWN RECORD for most MISSED shots in finals history last year & with 97 more misses in this year's playoffs (assuming they make it), he'll become the All Time leader in playoff misses.

So I'm biased for saying that these things are WHY he's not on MJ's level? SMH

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 There is no doubt in my mind or any denial that Kobe's FG% numbers have sucked in the last few years specifically. I don't want to use injuries to his hands as an excuse, Kobe just takes those wild shots but stats don't amount to what he brings to the table. The same thing that makes Kobe shoot 38%, is also the same thing that doesn't make him quit through bad shooting nights..,,that's what I respect - he's fearless.MJ shot 41% in the Finals but he did other things to win just as

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Bulls to from 1984-1990? Kobe has consistently won all his basketball playing career, even with Smush, Kwame, Luke Walton and Odom starting in the West. Not even MJ could carry that shit load of a team into the playoffs.

[blackadam06]

"Kobe has consistently won all his basketball playing career"

Yeah, as long as he had a dominant Big to lean on. Go check his winning % in the post Shaq/pre Gasol years He had Caron Butler & Odom in '05 & STILL couldn't make the playoffs or win more than 34 wins.

"Not even MJ could carry that shit load of a team into the playoffs"

He led 27 win team that hadn't seen the playoffs since '81 to the playoffs as a ROOKIE & EVERY YEAR in the years B4 Pippen showed up, so no..you're wrong kid..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Yeah, as long as he had a dominant Big to lean on. Go check his winning % in the post Shaq/pre Gasol years He had Caron Butler & Odom in '05 & STILL couldn't make the playoffs or win more than 34 wins. MJ as the man before having Pippen step his game up isn't great either MJ 1984-85 - 38-44 1985-86 (was injured most of it but still) 30-52 1986-87 -40-42 1987-88 (Pip began to emerge) 50-32 Kobe 2004-05 (injured most) 34-38 2005-06 - 45-37 06-07 - 42-40

[blackadam06]

1991-98 Bulls with MJ

401-108 (79%), 6 rings, avg 65 win per year pace

1991-98 w/o MJ

89-58 (60%), 0 rings, couldn't get out the 2nd rd, avg 49 wins per year pace

FACT: L.A. is 31-10 w/o kobe in 5 title seasons, yet was 12 – 11 w/o Shaq & in the seasons with BOTH, they were 25 – 7 w/o kobe LOL!!

The fact he STILL doesn't consistently lead L.A. in Total Win Shares in the post Shaq era, ought to tell ya something! Those track who's individually more responsible for L.A.'s wins LOL!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Lmao, you're agenda of Kobe hate is definitely showing now!!Are you saying the Lakers could win it all without Kobe Bryant lol?

[blackadam06]

I don't hate kobe, just the ignorance displayed by his dumb fans who ALWAYS make ridiculous claims about him in reference to MJ, yet don't wanna acknowledge the FACTS about him because it contradicts what they wanna believe about him..

That's what I hate..

"Are you saying the Lakers could win it all without Kobe"

No, but I am saying that NO OTHER superstar gets bailed out by his teammates more than him in the biggest, most crucial games.

That I AM saying..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Well see there's the problem.It's understandable as 80% of Kobe fan boys are homo driven, eccentric idiotics but that's the problem. I am a student of the game & Lakers organization. If Kobe leaves today I will have a fondness because of memories & what he has brought to the table BUT he is not above my beloved franchise. My Lakers bias is not hidden & my love respect for MJ's game is no fluke but I think Kobe gets too much hate because of his dumb fanboys.He's a great player.

[blackadam06]

"Kobe fan boys are homo driven, eccentric idiots..Kobe gets too much hate because of his dumb fanboys"

That's the 1st thing you've said that I CONCLUSIVELY agree 100% with LOL!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 "That's the 1st thing you've said that I CONCLUSIVELY agree 100% with LOL!!"............LMAO!!!!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Kobe grabbed 15 rebounds in his horrendous 6-24 shooting in Game 7. "No, but I am saying that NO OTHER superstar gets bailed out by his teammates more than him in the biggest, most crucial games." Aren't teammates suppose to be there to have your back? So Scottie didn't help MJ in those "rare" instances where he wasn't shooting those out of this world %s?Fisher has a terrible career shooting % overall, but his intangibles aren't measured thru stats..I feel the same way for Kb24.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 MJ's team winning % before having Pippen, is just about the same as Kobe post Shaq, pre Gasol.Did you ever watch Pau in Mempihs,lol 0-12 in the playoffs!!! How many rings did Shaq win before Kobe and after??LMAO one.....and with the likes of Penny,Wad GP, Nash, Amare and Lebron!!!

[blackadam06]

"Did you ever watch Pau in Memphis"

Yeah, and he was doing the SAME THING kobe was doing B4 he joined the team..losing in the playoffs, but he did something that kobe was NEVER able to do: lead his team to 50 wins 1 season..

B4 Gasol showed up, L.A. was 29-16, after he shows up, they go 29-8 down the stretch, and have been back in the finals the last 3 seasons. So lemme guess, that's due to kobe right?

SMH..

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 LMAO, hed led them to 50 wins.DId you see what Pau had around him as oppose to what Kobe had?Smush Parker, Kwame, Luke and Odom (who was very inconistent in the triangle back then) as oppose to Jason WIlliams, Mike Miller, James Posey, etc over there in Memphis,lol smh.

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 objective & don't see flaws in your arguments. It's actually mind boggling! You are basically saying Kobe is not on MJ's level because his stats are not better, yet that's not even what the game of basketball is all about. It definitely helps analyze a player but even then a player like Kobe has great stats for a SG. As for argument, my interpretation is that you are saying MJ's stats, accomplishments blow Kobe's away but ignore the different career paths of the 2.That's biased too.

[blackadam06]

If kobe's on MJ's level, just SHOW ME the consistently equal or better seasons from him to PROVE it..

Just SHOW the facts, that'll end the need for U to keep trying to make excuses & using a buncha if's & coulda-shoulda-wouldas.

The fact that he didn't even start to consistently put up MJ-like # 's until AFTER they changed the defensive rules, and since then, STILL hasn't done so, ought to tell ya something LOL!!

[blackadam06]

Wizard MJ: 22ppg 4apg 4rpg 42.4 FG%

Kobe's career avg: 25ppg 4apg 5rpg 45.2 FG%

B4 MJ's '02 All Star Break injury, he was avg'n 25ppg 5apg 6rpg on 46% shooting, which is SLIGHTLY better than kobe's career avg, yet when I highlight things like this, U say I'm being biased..no..those are the FACTS!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Smh, so you are seriously accumulating Kobe's whole career average when he came off the bench his first 2 years due to Eddie "choke artist" jones being the favorite of Del "asswipe" Harris?

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 U still didn't answer if MJ would put up those numbers playing with Shaq

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Lol, "The fact that he didn't even start to consistently put up MJ-like # 's until AFTER they changed the defensive rules, and since then, STILL hasn't done so, ought to tell ya something LOL!!" Are you serious? So it's Kobe fault that he was skillful and worked hard enough to step his game up? If MJ would do the same thing I guarantee you, you wouldn't hold it against him. Kobe has consistently won ALL OF HIS CAREER.Since you want to downgrade Kb24's ability what did MJ lead the

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 Kobe on the other hand played for Del Harris for 2 years, had to play with Shaq, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel to name a few. Answer this for me....how can you put up MJ numbers with that around you?Who was MJ's supporting cast before Phil arrived?True enough MJ wanted to win,but from a legacy standpoint, what better way to showcase what you can do. Who was his best help before Pippen?Even tho I am a Lakers fan,& there is no doubt in my logical,sane mind that MJ is the greatest why

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 is that people compare CAREER stats of MJ and Kobe when Kobe wasn't even given the green light all of his career. But just for fun let's look at some of the years when the ball was put in his hand and he did his thing

2002-03: 30 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 5. 9 APG

2004-05: 27.6 PPG,5.9 RPG, 6.0 APG

2005-06: 35.4 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.5 APG

2006-07: 31.6 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.4 APG

Not MJ numbers, but not exactly Joe Johnson numbers either. My point is that, right now Kobe is the 2nd greatest SG ever.

[blackadam06]

For kobe:

2003: shot 45% with a 26.2 PER

2004: shot 43% with a 23.7 PER

2005: shot 45% with a 23.3 PER

2006: shot 45% with a 27.9 PER

2007: shot 35% with a 26.1 PER

And in ALL of those seasons, he shot WORSE than his team, something MJ NEVER did in Chicago.

PER accounts for ppg, rpg, apg, FG%..basically EVERYTHING.

In that 4 yr stretch for kobe, his BEST overall season (PER) is BARELY better than MJ's 2 WORST overall seasons as a Bull, which was his rookie & '98 season LOL!!

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 I dont care about Kobe right now let's focus on the criteria that you are stating that makes MJ > Kobe. Well I'm saying Oscare > Kobe & MJ by your logic and it makes complete sense. Lol, continue to throw out Kobe's little stats they suck in comparison in to MJ's, and MJ's stats suck in comparison to Oscar.

[blackadam06]

"MJ's stats suck in comparison to Oscar"

B4 Mj's wizard yrs brought down some of his avg's, he avg'd:

31ppg 6apg 6rpg on 51.4 FG%

Big O's career avg is 25ppg 9apg 7rpg 48.2 FG%

So HOW'S he "sucking" vs O's career avg? How?!!

Career Playoff Average

MJ: 33ppg 6apg 6rpg 49.3 FG%

Big O: 22ppg 8apg 6rpg 46.2 FG%

Again, I FAIL to see your warped logic.

How's that "sucking" compared to Oscar?

[KB24Lakers4ever]

@blackadam06 You mad? Lol I really wish there were icons on youtube and you could state sarcasm because I was being sarcastic, nonchalant and as vague as possible. There is no doubt that I feel MJ is the GOAT, I just want you to know you have a warped way of thinking as well because MJ is your guy. I'm a Laker fan, Kobe is my guy. MJ is the man . Well, the reality is,t Kobe is the closest thing to MJ in the eyes of me and the masses to whether you agree or not. I don't see how you are not

[mirasolcarlo21]

bottom line! kobe is the most over rated player of all time! you cant compare him to the great! thats absurd!

[FlamesXT10]

ur an idiot, kobe isn't overrated

[Meckrocz3451]

@mirasolcarlo21 i know right finally someone on my side

[Fury1986]

@mirasolcarlo21 I don't care how many people "thumbs up" your comment, your an idiot. Kobe may not be equal to mj, but he is anything but overrated.

[blackadam06]

I don't know man, his shooting % has been anemic 'Most' of his career & that's being polite. LOL!! I like KB too, but let's be real, he's shot "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his career. Shooting a high % is based on shot's made, not how many he's taking & he's "CONSISTENTLY" shot poor from the field & that's a fact LOL!!

[deyonce]

yea but u got to take into account the way his career has panned out, certainly his career field goal pecentage was affected by him coming into the league at such an early age. there careers are not the same tho. as far as oscar, and elgin, and jerry; u talkin bout different eras. the level of athleticism and pride and egos in the game today is so different. as far as stats go, yea they stack up, but again it was different then.players now are just freaks athletically

[blackadam06]

Lebron came in at 19 so what's the difference? He "AVERAGED" 20, 5 & 5 making him the ONLY rookie SINCE MJ & The Big O, to do that & he posted HIGHER FG%'s in his 1st 3 yrs then KB did, "WITHOUT" a dominant big man. Big men make it "EASIER" for wings & forwards because they open up perimeter play due to the constant double & triple teaming. KB's #'s "SHOULD'VE been thru the roof..

[blackadam06]

Players today are "MARGINALLY" better physically i'll admit, but not substantially. And they're even "WORSE" regarding the "Skilled" facets of the game & it shows up in poor shooting %'s, poor rebound & assists avg's & definitely in Player PER ratings. A "Slight" advantage in "Physical Abilities" doesn't make todays players better, if it did, it would manifest itself in "BETTER" production in EVERY facet of the game, but it doesn't, so what does that tell ya?..

[blackadam06]

What I find interesting about KB, is that not only does he "CONSISTENTLY" shoot the league "Average", but he compounds the issue further for himself, his team & laker fans, by "CONSISTENTLY" shooting "WORSE" than his own TEAM & these KB fans continue to imply he needs to "KEEP" doing what he's currently doing!?! LOL!! I'm like what?! Do these fools not see the need for change? He's shot "WORSE" than his own team 9 out of his 11 yrs in the league!

[deyonce]

hey man i feel ya, u make strong points. lebron is a freak of nature, he was 6'8 wit the frame of a 30 yr old nba vet. kg nor kobe had that. kobe was a role player when he came to a team that was stacked. he wasnt the "man" when he got drafted. and now hes playin wit a high school varsity team. some shots are forced,yes, but if not him then who; jordan farmar. dont think so

[blackadam06]

I feel ya. I understand that KB's current team isn't of championship calibur, but considering he has 4 other guys, from a FG% standpoint, shoots "BETTER" from the floor than himself & 2 other guys that shoot just as good as him, the onus is on him, as team "Leader", to get them "More" involved into the offense.

[blackadam06]

His current team makes the team MJ inherited as a rookie, look like the '96 Bulls. They only won "27" games B4 his arrival, & hadn't been to the playoffs since '81. MJ took a startin' 5 of B. Sellers, D.Corzine, S.Vincent, & C.Oakley to 50 wins & the 2nd Rd while winning the Scoring Title, MVP, DPOY, & putting up a Top 5 season "ALL TIME".. "All" in the "SAME Year"! He also had 200 stls & 100 blks. When PPL wanna compare the 2, the "FACTS" show that there "ISN'T" one to be made..

[clutchcity25]

Lebron was the focal point of a lackluster Cleveland offense at age 19 while Kobe at the same age was getting 8 points off the game and didn't get his 1st start until the end of the season. AND Kobe made the allstar game AND HE DIDN'T EVEN START!! While it took Lebron 3 years to make the team.

[mirasolcarlo21]

thats what you call over rated!hahaha!

[jaboo82681]

That was the Last Dance season. I remember that whole Playoffs like it was yesterday. I miss the good ole days

[hammechoker]

that was the ugliest court in nba history...lol

[romans6thru8]

Phills wass ranked as one of Mike's 'top five underated guys in a Slam I picked about(probably '96 or'97) I love to see the series. Even when Jordan didn't shoot as well, Pippen and Jordan just itimidated on both ends.

Peace and God Bless

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[nunadas]

Great post. MJ shot terribly in '98 (for his standards of course) cause of his shooting hand injury, but he still showed his magic. There's simply no one better.

[blackadam06]

That's what I told this KB fan who regularly sends crazy messages to me. I told him MJ's worst shooting year with the bulls, which was '98, was "STILL" better than KB's "BEST" shooting year ('07) & MJ played that season with a torn ligament in his index finger on his "Shooting" hand. He didn't believe me, so i sent him an article proving it, he got pissed & said "Why am i ruining KB's career?" LOL!! I'm serious!! I was like WTF?!?! LOL!!

[bballmemories]

Good post. You should also post game 5 of this series where MJ and Glen Rice got in a heated exchange late in that game. Rice set a questionable hard screen on MJ and MJ retaliated. Rice agitated the man, and MJ who was having a relatively quiet game came alive and finished off the Hornets.

[blackadam06]

I appreciate the good feedback guys. I plan on uploading more when i can find the time. My job keeps me extremely busy. Y'all know how that can be LOL!!..

[andgar923]

thanks

[Retrolock]

great vid, I miss mj, rodman and pippen :(

[najanator]

good upload! keem em comin!