Actually this video forgot to add the obvious, "Can I see your insurance" That is always asked of when you arrive at ANY Medical facility in America, unless its Run by the Government of course! HA HA HA HA HA !
At town hall meetings across the country, House Republicans are facing a citizen backlash like never before for voting to end Medicare but give more reckless tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
But we can’t let up now. The same shadowy right-wing special interest groups that flooded the airwaves last fall are back with ads praising Republicans and misleading seniors about the GOP’s outrageous plan to end Medicare. We cannot let these vicious lies stand.
support defunding Congressional health benefits. if it ain't good for us it sure as hell ain't good for you. pay for your own you bunch of neo-cons or is it still the same old con.
What really needs to occur - which didn't with this phony Healthcare bill and now law, is for measures and reform to take place which actually lowers costs - the sleezy Healthcare bill was sold as such but we're finding out more all the time how it is actually raising costs and even companies are getting waivers from the HSS from being held to its standards. The CBO and these valuations further indicate its failure.
@brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
Do you know what it is like to pay for insurance your whole life, and get hassled every time you use it.? Under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont do it, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
Funny americans, trix are for kids. No but seriously, I'm from a country with good public healthcare entirely run by government and it's working fine. Only private sectors in medicine are the dentists and eye laser surgery. So dunno why you are getting so worked up for. You are a fascinating people living in your little media bubble, arguing amongst yourselves what america should be and why it sucks, while telling all foreigners it remains in every way the best place on earth... that's messed up
@GuyMontag92 For one thing america is no empire, we are a bunch of states combined together just like any other country. Most all of us are trully inosent in most things and its hard me as an american, not proud american that is to sit here and read comments such as yours. My family loves god and every thing to do with the kingdom but still we are forced to be hated for no reasons on our behalf.Now we also hate america in a great way but not the people, most of our problems come form our ritch.
@kevinkards1 Exactly. The idea that "we shouldn't take care of people that aren't our responsibility" is rubbish, and precisely why the U.S.A. is in some of the most dire straits it has seen in quite some time.
We in America have been fed a huge lie of "pulling one's self up by the bootstraps" from day one. Sure it may appear that way, but nothing here exists in a vacuum. It's why partisan politics stall progress here. Anything of particular merit in America has been done through community.
@thisbuds4me its not that, under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
@thisbuds4me its not that, under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OBAMAS HEALTHCARE PLAN. I WAS LAYED OFF AND I WENT TO A LOCAL HEALTH CARE FACILITY. GUESS WHAT THEY TOLD ME THAT I WAS ONLY ALLOWED TO STATE ONE ILLNESS AND THE MED ASSISTANT SAID THAT SHE WOULD GET FIRED BY THE COMPANY IF SHE ADMITTED ME WITH MORE THAN ONE ILLNESS. IF I HAD SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH ME ,THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN AND PAY UP FRONT AGAIN THEN THEY WOULD CHECK ME FOR MY OTHER SYMPTOMS. PRETTY MESSED UP
I in London worried last week about my prostate rang my doctor on the Wed morning made an appointment with him for the Friday. He then authorised a blood test which I had on the Monday and a MRI Scan for the following week. Both tests proved negative and none of this cost me a cent If I had had a problem then all treatment would have been free.
This is the socialist medicine you all seem so scared of I ask Why?
@bluedog454 so true. @brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...
@oatesn you know what I had a similar experience in London not so long ago. Yes it comes out of our taxes, I saw all of these senior citizens being look after so well by government funded health staff. I talked to these older patients they have lead hard working lives but probably wouldn't afford healthcare in the US even if their incomes are taxed at the rate the Republicans want them to.
the democrats and republicans are either idealistic idiots, or greedy genius's. im going to say the latter. the republicans keep enough "free market" in the health care mix to keep profits for insurance companies. while the democrats regulate enough to drive prices up. if either side said "ok, lets have it your way" america would be better off. were as it is politicians are raping the americans peoples liberty and rights, and it won't get better in the forseable future... good ol' democracy!
For all the people who insist that "our military has health coverage through the government, so why isn't it good enough for the rest of us?"...
1. they are government employees and receive that as part of their compensation for their job (power, strength, peace, and honor to them for doing it)
2. what works for a small group of people - in comparison to our entire citizen population - does not automatically then work for everyone
just 2 points to consider instead of repeating TP.
To those saying health care is not a right: I agree. It is not a right, it is a necessity. Applying a free-market model to what is essentially a captive market is a fool's errand. BTW, this video is just absurd; high comedy to anyone who deals with a single-payer system. When i need medical attention, I talk to a doctor, not a bureaucrat; I go to a private clinic, I have my prescriptions filled at a private pharmacy, and my doctor doesn't spend hours a day wrangling with an HMO for payment
/watch?v=J9N1LWAQAHM&feature=related, all people see this video...an arrested Taliban/Lashker terrorist confessed working for indians and being paid for killing people in Pakistan...
1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
It seems like people are getting worked into a lather over a fairly mild reform package. The bill, as it stands, doesn't go nearly far enough. Single-payer systems produce better value by insuring that everyone (including young, healthy individuals who might opt not to buy insurance in a private scheme) pays into the system. A larger insurance pool means lower premiums. Currently only 1 of Canada's provinces has monthly health insurance premiums ($114/ month for a family of 3 or more)
can anyone who beleives in government ran health care give me any reasons why the government should control how much health care i get and why the government should be responsible for my health???
the government should NOT be responsible for your health. Obamacare is just another bullshit policy that takes money from taxpayers so bumb redneck yokels like you could have the benefit of getting help if Jed cuts your arm off when he gets drunk and uses a chainsaw. Liberals try to protect the Very Dumbfucks that live to ruin this country. He's doing this healthcare thing so stupid fox news watching fucks like you could have coverage so life wont be able to snuff you out no more. Yay Darwin.
@nicholsml good point, but you seem to want government ran health care for all the wrong reasons, its Our fault why were 38 on the list of life expectancy, not the health care corporations. And you shouldnt want government ran health care for the purpose of boosting the econmy and because of a few buisnesses going under, and the patient's should know what their insureance company will and will not cover them on (pre existing conditions)
The point of a pre-existing condition is that you can never have health insurance and because of the condition you are screwed. Wow, what a great system we have and very noble of everyone who has perfect health (for now) to dictate to those who have health issues before they start working or striking out on their own.
@nicholsml of course the health Co's try to fuck us in the ass and im not gona defend them but the government would do the Exact same thing.
you know police officers Have to give out a certain amout of tickets each n every month, even if no ones commiting crime. Their mandated to do it because the government wants to take the money right out of our pockets. They do this stuff all the time. so dont think the government will be our little perfect doctor because they wont.
I'm a disabled veteran, I fought in Afghanistan and I'm now in a wheel chair and paraplegic. If it wasn't for the VA I wouldn't have health care. I'm a pre-existing condition and I will never have insurance. Why? Because half the people in our country are ignorant red-necks and think that government run health care will make Americans socialists or communists because some right wing conservative political lobby backed by special interest insurance money told them to believe that.
@nicholsml srry for positng two comments just couldnt shorten what i had to say up.
but my main point is that the forefathers founded this country on the idea of freedom, freedom for the common man, and the government should just enforce laws to protect people not run peoples lives.
So by the government enacting legislation to ensure the needy have medical care isn't protecting people?
Some people act with compassion and some with cruelty. I see myself as someone with compassion. I have my medical needs taken care of through the VA because I'm a disabled veteran of our current conflict, but I also feel I should help protect the needy in this country, and part of that is health care.
Of course you might not be like me, are you cruel?
Thats right im cruel. In a free market society or a socialist society their will Always be the needy the poor. Socialism Will not solve that, actually all it will do is spike up everyones taxes up to 40 45% just like France and other nations and make everyone dependent upon their government, which is not a good thing. oh and Nothings free in this world, you should know that.
The UK, Canada and Australia have government run health care and none of them have 45% tax rates.
Also none of those countries make anyone think of Socialism or communism.
A country is defined by how well one takes care of its less fortunate.
Also I'm not saying to put the poor up in the Hilton, I'm just saying that we should feed the hungry, clothe the cold and treat the sick. To not do so, is cruel and barbaric. Or maybe we should do like Rwanda and let the sick languish in the streets.
@nicholsml Good point about the taxes. I'm in Canada and pay less than 25k in payroll deductions on (just shy of) 100k in income. That's payroll taxes, employment insurance, and pension included
@IIIArrow711 A passing familiarity with single-payer systems would help you understand why your question makes no sense. However, if you could list specifically how you think the government would control "how much health care" you get, I could try to address those concerns. Also, the government is not responsible for my health; I am. Single -payer is about the provision of insurance - not the provision of health care
@makeitatriple yeah i dont beleive the governments responsible for my health either, and yes the government should have absoultey no say in how much health care i should be forced to have. but my original question was adressed to people who beleive is government ran health care lol not the other way around.
@IIIArrow711 I absolutely support government health insurance. My point was that government (public) insurance does not equal "government-run healthcare"
It's 'Hell-care' now for a lot of people...or no care at all....
I'm fine with a good gov't plan...I've been to state gov't run clinics...And they have wonderful doctors, and good care...
If we really want to find out if those in Canada, France, Sweden, etc...would rather switch over to our kind of Health Ins. we have now...Just ask 'em...
If they want to keep their 'socialized' plan...That's our answer...
Those that support government heal care, know this. You are going against EVERYTHING our country was founded upon. Few will argue that.
If you want to fix healthcare, by whatever means, government is not the answer. When you turn to government, things get worse. And don't take my word for it, read the history books. Why does no one look at capping malpractice filings? Maybe because most want a handout? Well gee, that explains government run health care doesn't it?
You think you deserve something because you live here? America was founded upon individuality and personal liberties. You are too eager to give even more power to the government; very niave of you sir.
Rights are given to you by God. Not by the government. Government is there to protect your rights, not create them. If they can create them, well, they can take them away too.
Health care is not a right.
Tort reform+re-institute competitive markets for insurance companies=win for everyone.
First off, don't bring religion into the argument because the constitution actually talks about that particular separation unlike your previous statement of health care being against the Constitution.
Also I never said anything should be given to anyone because they "live" somewhere.
The constitution doesn't say anywhere that the government should pay for education or fire departments, but we do.
The only naive statement was made by you about the constitution.
I don't agree with you and provide an accurate and concise argument and your reply is that I'm brainwashed?
Also since you insist on comparatives based on examples I gave you of social aspects of institutions run by government. Then I beg you to take into account how well our fire departments are organized and run.
Anyways you are spewing out fallacies from right wing TV ads and somehow seem to think I'm the one who is brainwashed? Irony?
conservatives believe in LIMITED government, not complete anarchy without police & fire depts. Why don't your comparisons include the currently bankrupt entitlement programs? Why is Bernie Madoff in prison when he should be running the treasury department? Someone with Panzi experience such as his could certainly provide value for the current WH administration. With all due respect.
precisely... actual reform would have cut costs & thus increased accessibility/affordability. connecting health ins to employment was/is a huge mistake.
Under the American system you have a right to health care if you can pay for it, i.e., if you can earn it by your own action and effort. But nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because he wants them and desperately needs them. The very fact that he needs these services so desperately is the proof that he had better respect the freedom, the integrity, and the rights of the people who provide them.
@brothermoon when he gets sick he doesnt go to a doctor, because he cant afford it, alot of people are like that so they are looking at this obamacare as a real hope instead of the over the counter self diagnosis.
@ShiroAmada344 I know of clinics (some county and some private) that provide medical services for basic checkups and the like for less than $60 a visit. Almost anyone can afford that if they're responsible with their spending.
i think an honest look at their expenses would reveal that the fees we think are high are simply commensurate with their overhead and hidden costs. govt mandates and malpractice coverage makes them even higher, and should have been the focus of a real reform bill. but that wasn't the true objective.
I'm a disabled Veteran and paraplegic. I can't get insurance, yet I helped provide your freedom you're using to make sure I will never be able to get health care coverage.
Yup, I have the VA. The VA only covers certain medical needs though. Also the VA is very under-funded and the lines are long and the doctors are limited. Of course they don't include dental coverage and in order to see a specialist I would have to travel hundreds of miles. The VA (while great for what they do) can't cover everything and they don't.
The problem with the VA is limited funding. As Americans we don't like spending on any federal medical bills.
@nicholsml expand the present condition of the VA and you'd see where we'd be with national healthcare down the road - if it was one system for all of us and we didn't drastically increase taxation for all.
if the cost of healthcare and health insurance had been addressed appropriately and effectively, it would have been prudent and likely that coverage for veterans would have been expanded and comprehensive. didn't a bill pass allowing vets to use other hospitals/doctors?
@brothermoon I don't agree that national healthcare would be a disaster. It's speculative to even say so. Like I said earlier it's proven that national health care systems do in fact work. Also it's an urban myth that Canadians/Australians/Brits/French have bad health care systems. I've known many Brits and Canadians and everyone i have ever worked with or met doesn't even consider it an issue because most of them have never had any serious problems with their health care.
@nicholsml for every person that says they know someone who likes their national healthcare system, there's another one who says they don't, numerous horror stories, and people who travel elsewhere for needed procedures due to waiting lists and limits. so that's hard to measure - especially from people who haven't known anything else and don't hold the elements of liberty as important as we do.
even while it might work for another country that built upon it, i don't think it would work here.
@brothermoon I see where you're going with this, but most Canadians do not believe their health-care system is shoddy. That's a myth and one propagated for political gain. Sure their are exceptions here and there and those stories are exploited. Another common fallacy propagated is the number of MRI machines per person. It's been pointed out and many stories have been related in the press that American doctors overuse the tests for financial gain. No need for that in a national system.
@nicholsml i see what you're saying and i'm sure you're right on many points when all the facts are considered. however, it's also true that when people haven't experienced anything else they're often satisfied with whatever they have.
@nicholsml (cont) because: 1. ours is a free market system in general and largely privatized (which if actually practiced in true free market style would further lower costs) 2. the number of people covered in the US is greater 3. our entitlement and increasingly redistributionist mentality would place the burden upon the top income rather than fairly spread throughout (almost 50% of Americans don't pay fed income tax now) 4. bureaucracy w/out discipline and ethics is incompetent
@brothermoon Canada, The UK, France, Australia are all countries that use a free market system. The difference is they don't use a cut-throat survival of the fittest mentality that we use towards health care. The Us is one of the only industrialized countries that if you loose your job and the next day you cripple yourself in a car wreck, we hang you out to dry. It's barbaric and we should be ashamed of ourselves. It could happen to you, it could happen to your kids.
@nicholsml now there you're mistaken. canada, the UK, and france do not use the free market system in healthcare. that's a fact that's widely known. what is also true is that we should be teaching personal responsibility - for ppl to consider how they spend their money and that planning for healthcare, retirement, and education can and should be done by the individual - not by general taxation of the population and provided by gov. when does medicaid not cover a person in your examples?
@brothermoon I didn't mean to imply they had a free market health care system. I meant it in the sense that they have a free market system (not health care).
@brothermoon Missouri. I don't want you to think the VA doesn't take care of me. Every thing they have available, they hook me up. My spinal specialist is awesome and my clinic doctor is very awesome (He actually works at the VA as a choice, since he's semi-retired). I just look at the run down building and how many patients they have, and it's over whelming, it's a funding thing though and it's hard for them to entice the good doctors to work with them sometimes.
@brothermoon If you get in a car wreck and you don't have insurance, you end up in the emergency room, Medicaid doesn't necessarily cover that. Also if you need operations or life saving treatments you are not guarantied Medicaid. Most bankruptcies are caused by such examples.
@nicholsml with the car wreck example, that's another personal responsibility issue to make sure you have proper auto insurance coverage.
for operations and life saving treatments, i'd like to see the FDA loosen their restrictions on individuals choosing trial and experimental treatments. with a smaller size of gov't & fewer taxes, philanthropy that built & supported hospitals and uncovered treatment would be able to thrive as it once did.
@brothermoon The problems the VA has is that our government is willing to spend much more on funding war efforts then taking care of soldiers. This isn't a new issue, it was the same under Bush as it is now under Obama. Think how much we have spent on the war and then compare it to how much we have spent on Soldier's health care. This video is politically motivated and it's the interest of corporate health care and only for those fortunate enough to meet the criteria to be covered, shameful.
@nicholsml i agree with what you say about the VA funding issue - i asked if the bill passed to allow vets to use other hospitals/doctors, do you know?
any side of the healthcare/health insurance debate is politically motivated on some level because ideology leads to a political position, imho.
i still say we should have (or still can now thru amendments) design a plan that is reasonable, personally responsible, practical, & fiscally possible - and i think free markets w/oversight would win.
@brothermoon I would totally go for that, but only if we didn't leave anyone uncovered. Maybe it's my protector style attitude from being a soldier for 13 years. About the VA, they let us go to other doctors but it's very limited and if you ever had to do anything like go to the emergency room, its a 50/50 chance of being stuck with thousands of dollars of debt. On a side note, a lot of my doctors and nurses are awesome and I hate that some of them take pay cuts to do what they do.
@nicholsml hey i have to crash... long day tomorrow. thanks for a civil and intelligent discussion. but more importantly, thank you for your service to the nation and even though i don't know you, i'm very grateful. i believe in a strong code of honor... ethics, responsibility. our failure to uphold those things has resulted in where we are today.
@nicholsml yea, i don't believe for a minute that humanitarianism, charity, and care for those around us is incompatible with free market solutions and sticking to common sense principles of ethics, responsibility, and financial solvency.
@nicholsml that's a false premise. you're assuming that because i say it's not a right that therefore it means those who (prior to the bill passing) couldnt' get insurance should never get it. absolutely not. the vast majority of Americans wanted reform, but we wanted real reform of procedures, cost management, and debilitating restrictions - then finding the real number that could still not get insurance to cover them. this bill was corrupt, shady, unfundable, unsustainable, & dishonest.
I agree with what you're saying 100%. I also believe we are at this impasse because one political party is opposed to another party. The fact of the matter is that other countries have public health care options. We should be looking at those nations (our allies) and working a model for ourselves based off of proven structures. Instead we have commercials on TV targeting Conservatives and telling them that any public health care system is socialism.
@nicholsml absolutely... the knee jerk reaction some have to anything that appears to be socialism is the same reaction the other side has to anything that mentions free markets. we're big enough and smart enough to put together a plan that is reasonable, personally responsible, practical, and fiscally possible - using the best combination of options possible. but failing to address the basic business economic fundamentals as congress did was reprehensible. all for the sake of politics.
@brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
@PriceCynthia and @bluedog454 If that's what you think, then you need to do some research and consult with insurance brokers. there are not only HSA's (health savings accts) that would apply in your situation, but better yet there are multiple group insurance plans for those that choose to 'self-insure'.
Freak boy ""dingy harry"" on page 1000 in the bill placed a statute where the bill cannot be rescinded or repealed without 67 senate votes in favor..a virtual impossibility..
.......What a jackass,,,,
.......We'll just find another way to make it more difficult for those freaks to face people in public for the rest of their miserable rotten lousy lives.
This is dumb. The reason people can't make a cogent argument against a public health plan (without relying on outright falsehoods) is because such an argument does not exist. This debate has been settled around the world, and it's time America caught up. Anyone who tells you America's health care system is #1 is just pandering. Nobody I know here in Canada would ever dream of crossing the border to get treatment. If I were injured in the US, I'd get my ass on a plane back home, toute suite
Our public health insurance is mandated by the federal government, but administered by the individual provinces. A province may choose to charge health insurance premiums, although at present, i believe only 1 of the 13 does. I choose my own doctor, and can visit any clinic, public or private. Public insurance simply removes the profit motive from the provision of health insurance. The government is responsible for administering programs that are deemed part of the public trust.
@makeitatriple I hear that pets in Canada get better health care than the people over there. Maybe if government treat all the humans as pets they would be more satisfied oh wait....
Dizzy describes anyone who still sees solution in the form of Obumster care. YOu are blind to your own passion in that the private sector - free enterprise has provided almost 20 years of trouble free 100% Health coverage for me all at a very reasonable cost. Where is justification 4 costs of 118 bureaucracies that will guarantee inefficiencies and ineffectiveness?U R obviously party driven and inexperienced because this bill MOM is dead! No one wants it.Have you served?How can U talk if no?
"Our country has tons of socialized systems, I don't see how this is any different."
You dont see the difference? What system corrals a portion of the counties Budget for itself? There are state run systems but we tend to stay away from them by utilizing them once per year License, registration, IRS. These do not scoop up 17% of the nations budget NOR do they artificially create 111 additional bureaucracies to guarantee ineffectiveness, inefficiency and expense all for no reason!
Why does everyone always bring up Canada? France, Japan, and Switzerland are just a few of the countries with MUCH better health care than the US, with strong public health care. No waiting lines there.
This is just more BS from the right, who have either been lied to, are in the pocket of the insurance companies.
You are missing the point that I made - I do not think you are getting the right information. Especially if you are a Liberal. Liberals are always wrong I used to be a Lib but got tired of the bald faced lies - You dont see it and are sorry to say are inexperienced and incapable of preventing your own family from not being hurt by this. Do what you like. I reject it. It s clear to me that you have no interest in healthcare at all and are a mesmerized obama goon. He's an ass dont U get it?
I didn't MISS your point, I just thought it was stupid. Your gramatical issues aside, most of the points you've made are bogus assumptions with a lot of exclamation points. By this, I can only deduce that you must be another right wing retard.
I never said anything about even liking Obama. What I said was, there are plenty of countries with socialized systems better than Canada, many of which make better models to shape our system into.
It's almost disheartening listening to this drivel sometimes. When universal health care first became an issue most people where on-board with the idea. Then a few special interest groups start making commercials and lobbyists fire up the GOP, and now we have every redneck republican up in arms calling supporters of universal health care "Socialists" and "Communists".
It's amazing how many people base their politics off of TV commercials.
Out of 40 million people that don't have insurance this bill will only help 30 million, so why not the other 10 million because they are too poor to afford even cheap insurance.
You might be sitting their in your cozy home will 18,000 people die a year with no care, but this is reality of what our government has brought onto us, no rep, or dem, has help the poor, we as a people made them give us a minimum wage ect... every thing that we have, was done by the people, we share to help each other.
i believe that the fuckin goverment is going to raise up the health care so they can get their fuckin money thats what mostly care about their fuckin money
this is pure propaganda, I agree some what , in every country that has so called "socialist" care people per capital pay way less that in the us even with the bill. In England doctors get bonuses for healing the most people, how dare they do that, those socialist!!
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Stupid lying video. The best health care in the world is government run. The top 10 countries with the best health care have government run health care US health care is ranked 40th in the world. The US has the most dangerous and most expensive health care.
The asshole who posted this lie needs his balls cut off and shoved down his throat.
you're very foolish. There are countries that provide quality care, run by the Govt, but you must be prepared to surrender more than half of your income, and your liberty on top of that.
If you're not already there, please feel free to move to France. Thanks.
After more than a decade of public healthcare with mandatory coverage, so many Canadian doctors have left the practice and so many young people have entered other fields that Canada ranks 26th of 28 developed nations in its ratio of physicians to population. Once, Canada ranked among the leaders in the number of physicians, but that was before government healthcare drove doctors out of the practice in droves.
DOESN'T MATTER DUMB ASS the constitution does not permit a bill like this being passed end of discussion, I don't care about stats, the government can come up with tons of crap to make health care affordable without making health insurance mandatory. WE AREN'T A SOCIALIST COUNTRY WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY AND ULTIMATUMS AREN'T OPTIONS PERIOD. move to france. You are not informed, you lose the bill of rights and much of the constitution when this bill as passed. It has ulterior motives
I don't watch fox, and maybe I was hinting at the fact that America is unique and we are free. Maybe if you read a few things out of the so called health reform bill you would know that its really not about health care and more so political power and the expansion of bigger government. Sure politicians really care about you and they want you to have better health care, not about money and power at all. Oh and lets just overlook the fact that constitution doesn't permit this bill either..hmm
Actually i never said that, This bill is not a universal health-care bill.
65% of the americans want universal health care the bad thing is the people that don't want it, are the richest most powerful of them all so they can manipulate and control us into wanting what ever they want.
We can't even regulate them because they have to much control over politics.
The bill just says americans who don't have insurance have to buy some, its going to be cheap, but who really wins in that situation?
I don't agree with the bill, aside from that its unconstitutional period, mandatory??? this is a free country, the constitution doesn't permit the government to force me to pay for health insurance period. If you cant afford health insurance you can always make small payments to the hospital. I don't have insurance, and I'm currently paying off a surgery I had 2 years ago. I like that I have that option. So instead of making us pay for it, maybe they should make laws regarding insurance compan
well then your in the other side if you want to pay less, look at any other UHC (universal health care) nation, they pay less per capital than America and they cover everyone, they live longer.
You might say but our insurance is the best, its the best if you can afford the best insurance cover. 2 years, your just lucky to have a job.
I remember my uncle had to file bankruptcy because he was in a car crash that left him disable for at least half an year, he has a low paying job and has a family.
SO because Pop gets hurt (poor Dad) you say open the flood gates and usher in Goverment controlled everything!!?? How blind can you be - you dont want to give up your Freedoms for an insame bill like this - Ask Pop - he'll tell that this nation sick or healthy is the best!!! Dont give it away to sickos who screwed up Europe Dont you know History? You have reading to do pal! This Obama is a diseased minded man!
Well socialism is only when the government controls everything, which could lead to communism because your giving up your rights to the government which gives them power, and we know what that leads to...
What did they get...a nose bleed? Your a tool, and the only Canadian I've talked to who actually likes the health care he gets. I don't really care though, because its not about you...its about the millions of Americans who are highly apposed to universal health care
Freedom has a savor that the protected or manipulated obama masses will never know!
What that says buddy is that if you have never fought for your country, you are not in the position to vote OUR FREEDOMS away because YOU are sucked into the mental disorder of Obama and this admiinistration. But if you want to sign up and get transformed into a man - I'll see to it that you get the hardest training on earth! I dont know if you will pass the moral fiber test though..
The few Canadians I know don't have any problem with their health care. Most people who cite problems with Canadian health-care are American right wingers who know absolutely nothing about Canadian health care and are using the subject to further their political argument.
You are a liar or you are badly misinformed. Americans pay 6500 per year for health care the French citizens pay 2500 and the rest of Europe and Japan pay about the same.
US health care is 1/6 of our GDP but because you are a dumb fuck you probably don' even know what GDP is.
Europeans pay far less for health care. They also have more disposable income than Americans and and they have a higher standard of living. Explain that dumb fuck!
There is a reason that Pelosi cannot get the votes for this. They wanted to ram this piece of shit through in July. They have changed the name from "public option," to "competitive option," to "consumer option."
There is a reason why poll after poll after poll show that US Citizens are against this plan. The bill is 2000 pages full of tax hikes, and new bureaucracies. 2000 pages and not a mention of tort reform, decreasing regulations across state lines.
What qualifies as "best" health care? "Best" could mean many different things. "best" could mean infant mortality rate. In that case, the US attempts to keep babies alive, despite adverse conditions. Many of those babies end up dying, increasing mortality rate. Whereas other countries, because of their inept health care, don't count the baby as an infant because it is dead before it is born. Decreasing their mortality rate. Use your head- the ogv't ruins everything it touches. Everything.
You don't understand that we aren't socialists and if you would like to be in a country that says its number 1 move there because the constitution doesn't permit the government to write such a bill, and if you actually looked at the bill you would see it has nothing to do with the well being of American citizens...it has to do with you losing your bill of rights, freedom, among everything else you take for granted...you are apathetic and have lost touch
haha, because they are soo good at running the post office and canadians wait in line for about 6 months....great sign me up....the world doesn't owe you a living, we live in a free world and if you cant pay for health care you can always make small payments monthly...we live in a free country and no one can make me pay for something I don't want...I want the freedom to be able to pay out of pocket even if I am poor....we aren't socialists remember that
Actually you almost have this now with the insurance Industries. We need health care reform and only the miss informed and the Insurance Industry do not see it that way.
Yes MOm but reform does not translate into giving the Government free reign to screw all of our lives up no does it? I have enjoyed Blue Cross PPO and Delta Dental now for 16 solid years and I am happy to have it. But the government version is crap! Mom resist equating reform with Government run anything
The government sucks at everything it does EXCEPT THE MILITARY
Universal healthcare will result in a lowering of quality of healthcare for everyone, and possibly a lack of healthcare for many as resources become strained, over-worked, and depleted. As it stands right now, healthcare is at a decent quality for some people, but others cannot receive the help they need. Basically, we're stuck with a Catch-22 situation wherein we must pick the lesser of two evils. Which the lesser of them is, is entirely up to you voters.
You make it sound like insurance companies raising prices when you start costing them lots and lots of money is a new concept. What happens (usually) when you get in a car accident? Insurance companies raise your prices, and if you do it enough to piss them off they get rid of you. Now when it comes to health conditions they shouldnt be as harsh, but i find it hard to believe that all insurance companies provide such crappy treatment. It think you just have crappy insurance companies.
Ive got mixed ideas about healthcare. from my view you have to ask if we have the resources to provide EVERY American with the treatment they need when they need it. You cant compare military healthcare and other small versions of it to America because, generally, you have a relatively small number of people to pay for compared to the big picture. now if you had to pay for 200-300 million Americans (people who do stupid stuff all the time), how high do taxes have to become to accomplish this?
When people get sick the real death panel is their insurance company that drops them like a bad habit. Public OPTION!!!! Option being the key word. If a person wants to pay an insurance CEO's bonus HAVE AT IT, but that same will need the Public Option as a backup if they ever get sick! Cuz that CEO can't have your sick A cutting into his PROFITS! BELIEVE IT!
WOW ... i am amazed how stupidly people can put things.
Do US-Americans really imagine it to be - just closely - to be like this in countries where the goverment finances health care structures?
Dear USA - are you really so blind, that you don't see that health care is not going to hurt you but enhance your life.
How shitty ever the plans are/were and will be ... there is no way to make it worse for you - you are already f*****.
Greetings from Germany.
GabrielOfGore 4 months ago
Actually this video forgot to add the obvious, "Can I see your insurance" That is always asked of when you arrive at ANY Medical facility in America, unless its Run by the Government of course! HA HA HA HA HA !
deeppurple28 8 months ago
At town hall meetings across the country, House Republicans are facing a citizen backlash like never before for voting to end Medicare but give more reckless tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
But we can’t let up now. The same shadowy right-wing special interest groups that flooded the airwaves last fall are back with ads praising Republicans and misleading seniors about the GOP’s outrageous plan to end Medicare. We cannot let these vicious lies stand.
noflizone 9 months ago
support defunding Congressional health benefits. if it ain't good for us it sure as hell ain't good for you. pay for your own you bunch of neo-cons or is it still the same old con.
Mutedvox 11 months ago 3
I have treated patients who came to the USA from Canada to Save their Lives!!
3martijns 1 year ago
so that is government run healthcare, oooookay...
has someone even proposed such a thing?
reasontv a strange name for bullshit
Darusdei 1 year ago
funny alex and rick should just burn in hell...am going to kill there white ass one day
i hate them.. its really mess up Florida went to some bull shit people. are last Governor was gay (charie chris) but i like him. evenduo he was gay.
MrTails416 1 year ago
What really needs to occur - which didn't with this phony Healthcare bill and now law, is for measures and reform to take place which actually lowers costs - the sleezy Healthcare bill was sold as such but we're finding out more all the time how it is actually raising costs and even companies are getting waivers from the HSS from being held to its standards. The CBO and these valuations further indicate its failure.
brothermoon 1 year ago
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@brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
Do you know what it is like to pay for insurance your whole life, and get hassled every time you use it.? Under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont do it, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
Funny americans, trix are for kids. No but seriously, I'm from a country with good public healthcare entirely run by government and it's working fine. Only private sectors in medicine are the dentists and eye laser surgery. So dunno why you are getting so worked up for. You are a fascinating people living in your little media bubble, arguing amongst yourselves what america should be and why it sucks, while telling all foreigners it remains in every way the best place on earth... that's messed up
sylvanha 1 year ago
@sylvanha Americans are fools, especially the ones at ReasonTV. I can't wait until the empire falls.
GuyMontag92 1 year ago
@GuyMontag92 For one thing america is no empire, we are a bunch of states combined together just like any other country. Most all of us are trully inosent in most things and its hard me as an american, not proud american that is to sit here and read comments such as yours. My family loves god and every thing to do with the kingdom but still we are forced to be hated for no reasons on our behalf.Now we also hate america in a great way but not the people, most of our problems come form our ritch.
mystic81006 9 months ago
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papeluso 1 year ago
don't you people get it? IT'S NOT FREE! Why should i have to pay for people that arent my responsibility and didnt take care of themselves?
thisbuds4me 1 year ago
@thisbuds4me why should the police care about you or the army protect you you mean nothing to them
kevinkards1 1 year ago
@kevinkards1 Exactly. The idea that "we shouldn't take care of people that aren't our responsibility" is rubbish, and precisely why the U.S.A. is in some of the most dire straits it has seen in quite some time.
We in America have been fed a huge lie of "pulling one's self up by the bootstraps" from day one. Sure it may appear that way, but nothing here exists in a vacuum. It's why partisan politics stall progress here. Anything of particular merit in America has been done through community.
DrClaw77 1 year ago
@thisbuds4me its not that, under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
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@thisbuds4me its not that, under a group plan, they dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
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LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OBAMAS HEALTHCARE PLAN. I WAS LAYED OFF AND I WENT TO A LOCAL HEALTH CARE FACILITY. GUESS WHAT THEY TOLD ME THAT I WAS ONLY ALLOWED TO STATE ONE ILLNESS AND THE MED ASSISTANT SAID THAT SHE WOULD GET FIRED BY THE COMPANY IF SHE ADMITTED ME WITH MORE THAN ONE ILLNESS. IF I HAD SOMETHING ELSE WRONG WITH ME ,THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN AND PAY UP FRONT AGAIN THEN THEY WOULD CHECK ME FOR MY OTHER SYMPTOMS. PRETTY MESSED UP
GOLDENARMY1000 1 year ago
I in London worried last week about my prostate rang my doctor on the Wed morning made an appointment with him for the Friday. He then authorised a blood test which I had on the Monday and a MRI Scan for the following week. Both tests proved negative and none of this cost me a cent If I had had a problem then all treatment would have been free.
This is the socialist medicine you all seem so scared of I ask Why?
oatesn 1 year ago
@oatesn you're lucky! it's so annoying to see these idiots ruin our country. they just make stuff up because it will hurt greedy corporations.
bluedog454 1 year ago
@bluedog454 so true. @brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
@oatesn you know what I had a similar experience in London not so long ago. Yes it comes out of our taxes, I saw all of these senior citizens being look after so well by government funded health staff. I talked to these older patients they have lead hard working lives but probably wouldn't afford healthcare in the US even if their incomes are taxed at the rate the Republicans want them to.
peacad 1 year ago
And they call this reason tv?
1thruZ 1 year ago
the democrats and republicans are either idealistic idiots, or greedy genius's. im going to say the latter. the republicans keep enough "free market" in the health care mix to keep profits for insurance companies. while the democrats regulate enough to drive prices up. if either side said "ok, lets have it your way" america would be better off. were as it is politicians are raping the americans peoples liberty and rights, and it won't get better in the forseable future... good ol' democracy!
evilsceptic 1 year ago
The american system is actually a mix of regulation and free market.
OptimusElite 1 year ago
For all the people who insist that "our military has health coverage through the government, so why isn't it good enough for the rest of us?"...
1. they are government employees and receive that as part of their compensation for their job (power, strength, peace, and honor to them for doing it)
2. what works for a small group of people - in comparison to our entire citizen population - does not automatically then work for everyone
just 2 points to consider instead of repeating TP.
brothermoon 1 year ago
To those saying health care is not a right: I agree. It is not a right, it is a necessity. Applying a free-market model to what is essentially a captive market is a fool's errand. BTW, this video is just absurd; high comedy to anyone who deals with a single-payer system. When i need medical attention, I talk to a doctor, not a bureaucrat; I go to a private clinic, I have my prescriptions filled at a private pharmacy, and my doctor doesn't spend hours a day wrangling with an HMO for payment
makeitatriple 1 year ago
You don't have to wonder....see you tube video: "severely autistic boy beaten by big government" part one and part two
kgaccount 1 year ago
/watch?v=J9N1LWAQAHM&feature=related, all people see this video...an arrested Taliban/Lashker terrorist confessed working for indians and being paid for killing people in Pakistan...
shazycalm 1 year ago
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1. REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL. Two massive tax cuts for the VERY RICH under Bush which were NOT paid for. 2. They ran up EIGHT TRILLION OF DEBT! When Clinton left office we had a surplus (ZERO DEBT). 3. They spend A TRILLION on the Iraq war TO DATE. 4. They DON'T want to give healthcare to the citizens in the RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD under a plan that IS PAID FOR. 5. Republicans ALSO used reconcilation! 6. They perpetuate FEAR MONGERING AND SCARE TACTICS. THEY ARE EVIL AND DISGUST ME!
ersatx210 1 year ago
It seems like people are getting worked into a lather over a fairly mild reform package. The bill, as it stands, doesn't go nearly far enough. Single-payer systems produce better value by insuring that everyone (including young, healthy individuals who might opt not to buy insurance in a private scheme) pays into the system. A larger insurance pool means lower premiums. Currently only 1 of Canada's provinces has monthly health insurance premiums ($114/ month for a family of 3 or more)
makeitatriple 1 year ago
can anyone who beleives in government ran health care give me any reasons why the government should control how much health care i get and why the government should be responsible for my health???
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
the government should NOT be responsible for your health. Obamacare is just another bullshit policy that takes money from taxpayers so bumb redneck yokels like you could have the benefit of getting help if Jed cuts your arm off when he gets drunk and uses a chainsaw. Liberals try to protect the Very Dumbfucks that live to ruin this country. He's doing this healthcare thing so stupid fox news watching fucks like you could have coverage so life wont be able to snuff you out no more. Yay Darwin.
failblorg 1 year ago
because the US is number 38 on the list of life expectancy.
Because most bankruptcies are caused from our inflated medical access.
Because 30 million of us don't have any health coverage and half of us are under insured so badly that it's the same has having no coverage.
Because if you have a pre-existing condition you're screwed.
But we wont ever get universal coverage because we have to many ignorant people buying into political ads on TV paid for by big business.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml good point, but you seem to want government ran health care for all the wrong reasons, its Our fault why were 38 on the list of life expectancy, not the health care corporations. And you shouldnt want government ran health care for the purpose of boosting the econmy and because of a few buisnesses going under, and the patient's should know what their insureance company will and will not cover them on (pre existing conditions)
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
The point of a pre-existing condition is that you can never have health insurance and because of the condition you are screwed. Wow, what a great system we have and very noble of everyone who has perfect health (for now) to dictate to those who have health issues before they start working or striking out on their own.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml of course the health Co's try to fuck us in the ass and im not gona defend them but the government would do the Exact same thing.
you know police officers Have to give out a certain amout of tickets each n every month, even if no ones commiting crime. Their mandated to do it because the government wants to take the money right out of our pockets. They do this stuff all the time. so dont think the government will be our little perfect doctor because they wont.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
@IIIArrow711
I'm a disabled veteran, I fought in Afghanistan and I'm now in a wheel chair and paraplegic. If it wasn't for the VA I wouldn't have health care. I'm a pre-existing condition and I will never have insurance. Why? Because half the people in our country are ignorant red-necks and think that government run health care will make Americans socialists or communists because some right wing conservative political lobby backed by special interest insurance money told them to believe that.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml srry for positng two comments just couldnt shorten what i had to say up.
but my main point is that the forefathers founded this country on the idea of freedom, freedom for the common man, and the government should just enforce laws to protect people not run peoples lives.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
So by the government enacting legislation to ensure the needy have medical care isn't protecting people?
Some people act with compassion and some with cruelty. I see myself as someone with compassion. I have my medical needs taken care of through the VA because I'm a disabled veteran of our current conflict, but I also feel I should help protect the needy in this country, and part of that is health care.
Of course you might not be like me, are you cruel?
nicholsml 1 year ago
Thats right im cruel. In a free market society or a socialist society their will Always be the needy the poor. Socialism Will not solve that, actually all it will do is spike up everyones taxes up to 40 45% just like France and other nations and make everyone dependent upon their government, which is not a good thing. oh and Nothings free in this world, you should know that.
oh, and thank you for serving our country :p
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IIIArrow711 1 year ago
The UK, Canada and Australia have government run health care and none of them have 45% tax rates.
Also none of those countries make anyone think of Socialism or communism.
A country is defined by how well one takes care of its less fortunate.
Also I'm not saying to put the poor up in the Hilton, I'm just saying that we should feed the hungry, clothe the cold and treat the sick. To not do so, is cruel and barbaric. Or maybe we should do like Rwanda and let the sick languish in the streets.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml Good point about the taxes. I'm in Canada and pay less than 25k in payroll deductions on (just shy of) 100k in income. That's payroll taxes, employment insurance, and pension included
makeitatriple 1 year ago
@IIIArrow711 A passing familiarity with single-payer systems would help you understand why your question makes no sense. However, if you could list specifically how you think the government would control "how much health care" you get, I could try to address those concerns. Also, the government is not responsible for my health; I am. Single -payer is about the provision of insurance - not the provision of health care
makeitatriple 1 year ago
@makeitatriple yeah i dont beleive the governments responsible for my health either, and yes the government should have absoultey no say in how much health care i should be forced to have. but my original question was adressed to people who beleive is government ran health care lol not the other way around.
IIIArrow711 1 year ago
@IIIArrow711 I absolutely support government health insurance. My point was that government (public) insurance does not equal "government-run healthcare"
makeitatriple 1 year ago
If this is how US information works then give me Pravda.
davijeph 1 year ago
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"Government healthcare would be Hell-care."...
It's 'Hell-care' now for a lot of people...or no care at all....
I'm fine with a good gov't plan...I've been to state gov't run clinics...And they have wonderful doctors, and good care...
If we really want to find out if those in Canada, France, Sweden, etc...would rather switch over to our kind of Health Ins. we have now...Just ask 'em...
If they want to keep their 'socialized' plan...That's our answer...
primalsource 1 year ago
Government healthcare would be Hell-care.
djmartinusen 2 years ago
What makeitatriple said, there is no rational argument for leaving the shameful US sick care system the way it is.
chaserUSA48, please, please do some research instead of only citing your private sector coverage, you are one person.
gfox88 2 years ago
Those that support government heal care, know this. You are going against EVERYTHING our country was founded upon. Few will argue that.
If you want to fix healthcare, by whatever means, government is not the answer. When you turn to government, things get worse. And don't take my word for it, read the history books. Why does no one look at capping malpractice filings? Maybe because most want a handout? Well gee, that explains government run health care doesn't it?
HaleFire7 2 years ago
Many will argue with this. The first bit is that you are buying into Television political advertising.
Many services in our country are socialized. post office, public education and fire departments to name a few.
Also the US is one of only a few modern democracies not to have government health care. Is the UK socialist? How about Australia, Sweden, or France?
Seriously stop spewing out crap you heard on a TV commercial because it makes you sound ignorant.
nicholsml 1 year ago
Please explain in detail how Universal health care is against EVERYTHING our country was founded on!! I dare you!
nicholsml 1 year ago
You think you deserve something because you live here? America was founded upon individuality and personal liberties. You are too eager to give even more power to the government; very niave of you sir.
Rights are given to you by God. Not by the government. Government is there to protect your rights, not create them. If they can create them, well, they can take them away too.
Health care is not a right.
Tort reform+re-institute competitive markets for insurance companies=win for everyone.
HaleFire7 1 year ago
First off, don't bring religion into the argument because the constitution actually talks about that particular separation unlike your previous statement of health care being against the Constitution.
Also I never said anything should be given to anyone because they "live" somewhere.
The constitution doesn't say anywhere that the government should pay for education or fire departments, but we do.
The only naive statement was made by you about the constitution.
nicholsml 1 year ago
Its pretty apparent that you are brainwashed. The sad state of our educational system. *cough* which is essentially run by the government and unions.
HaleFire7 1 year ago
I don't agree with you and provide an accurate and concise argument and your reply is that I'm brainwashed?
Also since you insist on comparatives based on examples I gave you of social aspects of institutions run by government. Then I beg you to take into account how well our fire departments are organized and run.
Anyways you are spewing out fallacies from right wing TV ads and somehow seem to think I'm the one who is brainwashed? Irony?
nicholsml 1 year ago
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you over youtube. I'm not going to change your opinions and you won't change mine.
The fact that you believe what I'm saying is a right wing ideal shows that you will never grasp the point I'm trying to make.
HaleFire7 1 year ago
conservatives believe in LIMITED government, not complete anarchy without police & fire depts. Why don't your comparisons include the currently bankrupt entitlement programs? Why is Bernie Madoff in prison when he should be running the treasury department? Someone with Panzi experience such as his could certainly provide value for the current WH administration. With all due respect.
HarrySeeword 1 year ago
precisely... actual reform would have cut costs & thus increased accessibility/affordability. connecting health ins to employment was/is a huge mistake.
brothermoon 1 year ago
Under the American system you have a right to health care if you can pay for it, i.e., if you can earn it by your own action and effort. But nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because he wants them and desperately needs them. The very fact that he needs these services so desperately is the proof that he had better respect the freedom, the integrity, and the rights of the people who provide them.
brothermoon 1 year ago 7
@brothermoon Oj needs healthcare
ShiroAmada344 1 year ago
@ShiroAmada344 pre-existing condition?
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon when he gets sick he doesnt go to a doctor, because he cant afford it, alot of people are like that so they are looking at this obamacare as a real hope instead of the over the counter self diagnosis.
ShiroAmada344 1 year ago
@ShiroAmada344 I know of clinics (some county and some private) that provide medical services for basic checkups and the like for less than $60 a visit. Almost anyone can afford that if they're responsible with their spending.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon those are true doctors outnumbered by the ones who charge way to much, an eye exam 120? people who are money hungry are despicable
ShiroAmada344 1 year ago
i think an honest look at their expenses would reveal that the fees we think are high are simply commensurate with their overhead and hidden costs. govt mandates and malpractice coverage makes them even higher, and should have been the focus of a real reform bill. but that wasn't the true objective.
brothermoon 1 year ago
Well said sir
HaleFire7 1 year ago
@brothermoon
I'm a disabled Veteran and paraplegic. I can't get insurance, yet I helped provide your freedom you're using to make sure I will never be able to get health care coverage.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml can't get insurance? you're a veteran so you have the VA do you not?
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon
Yup, I have the VA. The VA only covers certain medical needs though. Also the VA is very under-funded and the lines are long and the doctors are limited. Of course they don't include dental coverage and in order to see a specialist I would have to travel hundreds of miles. The VA (while great for what they do) can't cover everything and they don't.
The problem with the VA is limited funding. As Americans we don't like spending on any federal medical bills.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml expand the present condition of the VA and you'd see where we'd be with national healthcare down the road - if it was one system for all of us and we didn't drastically increase taxation for all.
if the cost of healthcare and health insurance had been addressed appropriately and effectively, it would have been prudent and likely that coverage for veterans would have been expanded and comprehensive. didn't a bill pass allowing vets to use other hospitals/doctors?
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon I don't agree that national healthcare would be a disaster. It's speculative to even say so. Like I said earlier it's proven that national health care systems do in fact work. Also it's an urban myth that Canadians/Australians/Brits/French have bad health care systems. I've known many Brits and Canadians and everyone i have ever worked with or met doesn't even consider it an issue because most of them have never had any serious problems with their health care.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml for every person that says they know someone who likes their national healthcare system, there's another one who says they don't, numerous horror stories, and people who travel elsewhere for needed procedures due to waiting lists and limits. so that's hard to measure - especially from people who haven't known anything else and don't hold the elements of liberty as important as we do.
even while it might work for another country that built upon it, i don't think it would work here.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon I see where you're going with this, but most Canadians do not believe their health-care system is shoddy. That's a myth and one propagated for political gain. Sure their are exceptions here and there and those stories are exploited. Another common fallacy propagated is the number of MRI machines per person. It's been pointed out and many stories have been related in the press that American doctors overuse the tests for financial gain. No need for that in a national system.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml i see what you're saying and i'm sure you're right on many points when all the facts are considered. however, it's also true that when people haven't experienced anything else they're often satisfied with whatever they have.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@nicholsml (cont) because: 1. ours is a free market system in general and largely privatized (which if actually practiced in true free market style would further lower costs) 2. the number of people covered in the US is greater 3. our entitlement and increasingly redistributionist mentality would place the burden upon the top income rather than fairly spread throughout (almost 50% of Americans don't pay fed income tax now) 4. bureaucracy w/out discipline and ethics is incompetent
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon Canada, The UK, France, Australia are all countries that use a free market system. The difference is they don't use a cut-throat survival of the fittest mentality that we use towards health care. The Us is one of the only industrialized countries that if you loose your job and the next day you cripple yourself in a car wreck, we hang you out to dry. It's barbaric and we should be ashamed of ourselves. It could happen to you, it could happen to your kids.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml now there you're mistaken. canada, the UK, and france do not use the free market system in healthcare. that's a fact that's widely known. what is also true is that we should be teaching personal responsibility - for ppl to consider how they spend their money and that planning for healthcare, retirement, and education can and should be done by the individual - not by general taxation of the population and provided by gov. when does medicaid not cover a person in your examples?
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon I didn't mean to imply they had a free market health care system. I meant it in the sense that they have a free market system (not health care).
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml oh ok.. gotcha. where do you live btw?
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon Missouri. I don't want you to think the VA doesn't take care of me. Every thing they have available, they hook me up. My spinal specialist is awesome and my clinic doctor is very awesome (He actually works at the VA as a choice, since he's semi-retired). I just look at the run down building and how many patients they have, and it's over whelming, it's a funding thing though and it's hard for them to entice the good doctors to work with them sometimes.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@brothermoon If you get in a car wreck and you don't have insurance, you end up in the emergency room, Medicaid doesn't necessarily cover that. Also if you need operations or life saving treatments you are not guarantied Medicaid. Most bankruptcies are caused by such examples.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml with the car wreck example, that's another personal responsibility issue to make sure you have proper auto insurance coverage.
for operations and life saving treatments, i'd like to see the FDA loosen their restrictions on individuals choosing trial and experimental treatments. with a smaller size of gov't & fewer taxes, philanthropy that built & supported hospitals and uncovered treatment would be able to thrive as it once did.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon The problems the VA has is that our government is willing to spend much more on funding war efforts then taking care of soldiers. This isn't a new issue, it was the same under Bush as it is now under Obama. Think how much we have spent on the war and then compare it to how much we have spent on Soldier's health care. This video is politically motivated and it's the interest of corporate health care and only for those fortunate enough to meet the criteria to be covered, shameful.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml i agree with what you say about the VA funding issue - i asked if the bill passed to allow vets to use other hospitals/doctors, do you know?
any side of the healthcare/health insurance debate is politically motivated on some level because ideology leads to a political position, imho.
i still say we should have (or still can now thru amendments) design a plan that is reasonable, personally responsible, practical, & fiscally possible - and i think free markets w/oversight would win.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon I would totally go for that, but only if we didn't leave anyone uncovered. Maybe it's my protector style attitude from being a soldier for 13 years. About the VA, they let us go to other doctors but it's very limited and if you ever had to do anything like go to the emergency room, its a 50/50 chance of being stuck with thousands of dollars of debt. On a side note, a lot of my doctors and nurses are awesome and I hate that some of them take pay cuts to do what they do.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml hey i have to crash... long day tomorrow. thanks for a civil and intelligent discussion. but more importantly, thank you for your service to the nation and even though i don't know you, i'm very grateful. i believe in a strong code of honor... ethics, responsibility. our failure to uphold those things has resulted in where we are today.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@nicholsml yea, i don't believe for a minute that humanitarianism, charity, and care for those around us is incompatible with free market solutions and sticking to common sense principles of ethics, responsibility, and financial solvency.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@nicholsml that's a false premise. you're assuming that because i say it's not a right that therefore it means those who (prior to the bill passing) couldnt' get insurance should never get it. absolutely not. the vast majority of Americans wanted reform, but we wanted real reform of procedures, cost management, and debilitating restrictions - then finding the real number that could still not get insurance to cover them. this bill was corrupt, shady, unfundable, unsustainable, & dishonest.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon
I agree with what you're saying 100%. I also believe we are at this impasse because one political party is opposed to another party. The fact of the matter is that other countries have public health care options. We should be looking at those nations (our allies) and working a model for ourselves based off of proven structures. Instead we have commercials on TV targeting Conservatives and telling them that any public health care system is socialism.
nicholsml 1 year ago
@nicholsml absolutely... the knee jerk reaction some have to anything that appears to be socialism is the same reaction the other side has to anything that mentions free markets. we're big enough and smart enough to put together a plan that is reasonable, personally responsible, practical, and fiscally possible - using the best combination of options possible. but failing to address the basic business economic fundamentals as congress did was reprehensible. all for the sake of politics.
brothermoon 1 year ago
@brothermoon In America, if you need medical attention then you get it. The question is, who pays for it?
kubush 1 year ago
@brothermoon its not that, under a group plan,Ins. Cos dont want you whining to H.R. so they dont hassle you, once your self insured, you HAVE NO VOICE AND THEY DENY YOU anything so why pay for it...SO IM STUCK...Nobody to buy insurance from..whats your solution?.
PriceCynthia 1 year ago
@PriceCynthia and @bluedog454 If that's what you think, then you need to do some research and consult with insurance brokers. there are not only HSA's (health savings accts) that would apply in your situation, but better yet there are multiple group insurance plans for those that choose to 'self-insure'.
brothermoon 1 year ago
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Freak boy ""dingy harry"" on page 1000 in the bill placed a statute where the bill cannot be rescinded or repealed without 67 senate votes in favor..a virtual impossibility..
.......What a jackass,,,,
.......We'll just find another way to make it more difficult for those freaks to face people in public for the rest of their miserable rotten lousy lives.
hadenufnow 2 years ago
@belly
You're a great American...
hadenufnow 2 years ago
CBO Congression Budget Office's numbers show the 52 milion uninsurables & uninsured will bankrupt the system...
The 3000 pg mandate ILLEGAL TAX & JAIL Trojan Horse Bill is MONETARILY UNSUSTAINABLE on ALL levels..
Kill the fecal Bill nobody wants..
If it squeeks thru, the 5 year war on repeal has already started..
Vote em out..
Kill the bill..
hadenufnow 2 years ago
This is dumb. The reason people can't make a cogent argument against a public health plan (without relying on outright falsehoods) is because such an argument does not exist. This debate has been settled around the world, and it's time America caught up. Anyone who tells you America's health care system is #1 is just pandering. Nobody I know here in Canada would ever dream of crossing the border to get treatment. If I were injured in the US, I'd get my ass on a plane back home, toute suite
makeitatriple 2 years ago
So would you support a state health care plan or a federal plan. I mean who has the right to do such a thing anyway.
Darkwizzrobe 2 years ago
Our public health insurance is mandated by the federal government, but administered by the individual provinces. A province may choose to charge health insurance premiums, although at present, i believe only 1 of the 13 does. I choose my own doctor, and can visit any clinic, public or private. Public insurance simply removes the profit motive from the provision of health insurance. The government is responsible for administering programs that are deemed part of the public trust.
makeitatriple 2 years ago
@makeitatriple I hear that pets in Canada get better health care than the people over there. Maybe if government treat all the humans as pets they would be more satisfied oh wait....
Darkwizzrobe 2 years ago
You misheard or someone misspoke. I worry much more about my dog getting sick or injured :-)
makeitatriple 2 years ago
Stay out of it you fucking foreigner! You're already in a socialist country!
gamefreak1000000 1 year ago
The few Canadians I know are always kind of baffled when I talk to them about health-care.
Most of them seem to not give it much thought because it works well for them and they have a good system.
nicholsml 1 year ago
Dems will Pay For ME..
I'm packin approx $400,000 in med problems which I self medicate & have under control..
I choose to OPT OUT of any insurance..
Obama wants to PICK UP THE TAB FOR ME by FORCING me to buy ins...
I am one of the 52 million uninsured "UNINSURABLES" that normally BANKRUPTS a HC system...
But he will put me & 52 Million people just like me in the system that will Immediately bankrupt it..GURANTEED..!!
KIll the bill ,,,,,,or repeal it...
nobody wants it....
hadenufnow 2 years ago
@hadenufnow
some think that is exactly Obama's intention ... to bankrupt America.
BellyButtonQuiz 2 years ago
Dizzy describes anyone who still sees solution in the form of Obumster care. YOu are blind to your own passion in that the private sector - free enterprise has provided almost 20 years of trouble free 100% Health coverage for me all at a very reasonable cost. Where is justification 4 costs of 118 bureaucracies that will guarantee inefficiencies and ineffectiveness?U R obviously party driven and inexperienced because this bill MOM is dead! No one wants it.Have you served?How can U talk if no?
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
Kermit:
"Our country has tons of socialized systems, I don't see how this is any different."
You dont see the difference? What system corrals a portion of the counties Budget for itself? There are state run systems but we tend to stay away from them by utilizing them once per year License, registration, IRS. These do not scoop up 17% of the nations budget NOR do they artificially create 111 additional bureaucracies to guarantee ineffectiveness, inefficiency and expense all for no reason!
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
@chaserUSA48
Social Security - 20%, Defense - 17%
Why does everyone always bring up Canada? France, Japan, and Switzerland are just a few of the countries with MUCH better health care than the US, with strong public health care. No waiting lines there.
This is just more BS from the right, who have either been lied to, are in the pocket of the insurance companies.
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
You are missing the point that I made - I do not think you are getting the right information. Especially if you are a Liberal. Liberals are always wrong I used to be a Lib but got tired of the bald faced lies - You dont see it and are sorry to say are inexperienced and incapable of preventing your own family from not being hurt by this. Do what you like. I reject it. It s clear to me that you have no interest in healthcare at all and are a mesmerized obama goon. He's an ass dont U get it?
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
@chaserUSA48
I didn't MISS your point, I just thought it was stupid. Your gramatical issues aside, most of the points you've made are bogus assumptions with a lot of exclamation points. By this, I can only deduce that you must be another right wing retard.
I never said anything about even liking Obama. What I said was, there are plenty of countries with socialized systems better than Canada, many of which make better models to shape our system into.
Our current system is fucked.
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
Well said Darkwitchtori.
It's almost disheartening listening to this drivel sometimes. When universal health care first became an issue most people where on-board with the idea. Then a few special interest groups start making commercials and lobbyists fire up the GOP, and now we have every redneck republican up in arms calling supporters of universal health care "Socialists" and "Communists".
It's amazing how many people base their politics off of TV commercials.
nicholsml 1 year ago
Now make a video on how the insurance companies stand between you and your doctor.... please...
funkyflights 2 years ago
Our country has tons of socialized systems, I don't see how this is any different.
The problem I have with it is it's too expensive and is vastly different from the Canadian/European systems that it's being compared to.
Kermit4Prezident 2 years ago
Captain, it is. Last poll, 85% of Canadians preferred our health care system to Americans
To us, fixing our health care system by adopting the American model is like fixing your leaky roof by burning down your house.
Shanbo26 2 years ago
Lol - Canadians all hate their healthcare system, and yet they don't lift a finger to change it. I call BS!
Captain42x 2 years ago
Out of 40 million people that don't have insurance this bill will only help 30 million, so why not the other 10 million because they are too poor to afford even cheap insurance.
You might be sitting their in your cozy home will 18,000 people die a year with no care, but this is reality of what our government has brought onto us, no rep, or dem, has help the poor, we as a people made them give us a minimum wage ect... every thing that we have, was done by the people, we share to help each other.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
i believe that the fuckin goverment is going to raise up the health care so they can get their fuckin money thats what mostly care about their fuckin money
artigaman 2 years ago
this is pure propaganda, I agree some what , in every country that has so called "socialist" care people per capital pay way less that in the us even with the bill. In England doctors get bonuses for healing the most people, how dare they do that, those socialist!!
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Say no say Fuck no to goverment run health care
Suck it goverment
CrashGameOver66 2 years ago
If you don;t like this country go to Iraq and fuck a camel instead of your mother asshole.
Balldez 2 years ago 2
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Stupid lying video. The best health care in the world is government run. The top 10 countries with the best health care have government run health care US health care is ranked 40th in the world. The US has the most dangerous and most expensive health care.
The asshole who posted this lie needs his balls cut off and shoved down his throat.
I hope you get cancer liar.
Balldez 2 years ago
you're very foolish. There are countries that provide quality care, run by the Govt, but you must be prepared to surrender more than half of your income, and your liberty on top of that.
If you're not already there, please feel free to move to France. Thanks.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
Harry you are a liar or a fool. The US citizen pays 3 time more for health care than any other citizens. Get your facts/lies straight.
Health Care is 1/6 of our GDP. The next closest country is Japan and theirs is 1/12.
US health care is the leading cause of death and injury while American doctors earn 2.5 time more than the rest of the world.
We have had corporate run health care for 40 years and it is not working. Quit being such an uninformed dumb fuck.
Balldez 2 years ago
After more than a decade of public healthcare with mandatory coverage, so many Canadian doctors have left the practice and so many young people have entered other fields that Canada ranks 26th of 28 developed nations in its ratio of physicians to population. Once, Canada ranked among the leaders in the number of physicians, but that was before government healthcare drove doctors out of the practice in droves.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago
Canada has about the same ration per capita of Doctors as we do but the EU has about twice the number per capita as our country.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
When liberal talking points fail - resort to name calling...... Typical liberal.
sliderinvestments 2 years ago
DOESN'T MATTER DUMB ASS the constitution does not permit a bill like this being passed end of discussion, I don't care about stats, the government can come up with tons of crap to make health care affordable without making health insurance mandatory. WE AREN'T A SOCIALIST COUNTRY WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY AND ULTIMATUMS AREN'T OPTIONS PERIOD. move to france. You are not informed, you lose the bill of rights and much of the constitution when this bill as passed. It has ulterior motives
stavie03 2 years ago
I think they can do what ver they want, the patriot act past.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
stavie-
learn what socialism is, maybe if you see the facts and not what faux news says you might be more informed.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
I don't watch fox, and maybe I was hinting at the fact that America is unique and we are free. Maybe if you read a few things out of the so called health reform bill you would know that its really not about health care and more so political power and the expansion of bigger government. Sure politicians really care about you and they want you to have better health care, not about money and power at all. Oh and lets just overlook the fact that constitution doesn't permit this bill either..hmm
stavie03 2 years ago
Actually i never said that, This bill is not a universal health-care bill.
65% of the americans want universal health care the bad thing is the people that don't want it, are the richest most powerful of them all so they can manipulate and control us into wanting what ever they want.
We can't even regulate them because they have to much control over politics.
The bill just says americans who don't have insurance have to buy some, its going to be cheap, but who really wins in that situation?
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
I don't agree with the bill, aside from that its unconstitutional period, mandatory??? this is a free country, the constitution doesn't permit the government to force me to pay for health insurance period. If you cant afford health insurance you can always make small payments to the hospital. I don't have insurance, and I'm currently paying off a surgery I had 2 years ago. I like that I have that option. So instead of making us pay for it, maybe they should make laws regarding insurance compan
stavie03 2 years ago
well then your in the other side if you want to pay less, look at any other UHC (universal health care) nation, they pay less per capital than America and they cover everyone, they live longer.
You might say but our insurance is the best, its the best if you can afford the best insurance cover. 2 years, your just lucky to have a job.
I remember my uncle had to file bankruptcy because he was in a car crash that left him disable for at least half an year, he has a low paying job and has a family.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
SO because Pop gets hurt (poor Dad) you say open the flood gates and usher in Goverment controlled everything!!?? How blind can you be - you dont want to give up your Freedoms for an insame bill like this - Ask Pop - he'll tell that this nation sick or healthy is the best!!! Dont give it away to sickos who screwed up Europe Dont you know History? You have reading to do pal! This Obama is a diseased minded man!
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
The insurance companies that now have 30 million more customers to "control."
Orionx26 2 years ago
yup, an the rest? 10 million left because their to poor.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Well socialism is only when the government controls everything, which could lead to communism because your giving up your rights to the government which gives them power, and we know what that leads to...
gamefreak1000000 1 year ago
canadians wait in line for about 6 months..
I live in MN and my friend lives in toronto trust me they don't wait 6 MONTHS, dam your the ultimate tool.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
What did they get...a nose bleed? Your a tool, and the only Canadian I've talked to who actually likes the health care he gets. I don't really care though, because its not about you...its about the millions of Americans who are highly apposed to universal health care
stavie03 2 years ago
What do you mean this is a free country?
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
If you don't know you should seriously think about drowning yourself or something, or come over to my house and mow my lawn
stavie03 2 years ago
I mean what do YOU think freedom is.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
Freedom has a savor that the protected or manipulated obama masses will never know!
What that says buddy is that if you have never fought for your country, you are not in the position to vote OUR FREEDOMS away because YOU are sucked into the mental disorder of Obama and this admiinistration. But if you want to sign up and get transformed into a man - I'll see to it that you get the hardest training on earth! I dont know if you will pass the moral fiber test though..
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
I'm a pacifist, IDK I just don't like to take someone else life just to steal there oil. I don't know why?
LOL what freedom????????/
can you own property? no, you still pay taxes, among the industrialized nations USA is the one that pays less taxes.
LOL moral fiber test, what happen to thou shalt not kill?
Ps. I'm a socialis!
not a libtard, they suck corporations dick as much as you guys.
Read the fucking bill, its makes people pay for it, well except for the poorest.
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
LOL stupid socialists.
gamefreak1000000 1 year ago
YEAH! Stupid socialist, next on our agenda.... Fire Departments, Military, the post office, medi-care and the police!
Wait a sec!! I'm already a socialist!!! OMG!!!
/sarcasm off
Education, get one hypocrite.
nicholsml 1 year ago
The few Canadians I know don't have any problem with their health care. Most people who cite problems with Canadian health-care are American right wingers who know absolutely nothing about Canadian health care and are using the subject to further their political argument.
nicholsml 1 year ago
Stavie03, I have a feeling that you have no idea what you are talking about.
What part of the constitution says we can't have government run health care? How does it effect the bill of rights? Are you high right now?
You're an idiot.
nicholsml 1 year ago
You are a liar or you are badly misinformed. Americans pay 6500 per year for health care the French citizens pay 2500 and the rest of Europe and Japan pay about the same.
US health care is 1/6 of our GDP but because you are a dumb fuck you probably don' even know what GDP is.
Europeans pay far less for health care. They also have more disposable income than Americans and and they have a higher standard of living. Explain that dumb fuck!
Balldez 2 years ago
I can tell you have never actually lived in Europe? Your last paragraph is complete BS.
Herst1240 2 years ago
not true
nicholsml 1 year ago
There is a reason that Pelosi cannot get the votes for this. They wanted to ram this piece of shit through in July. They have changed the name from "public option," to "competitive option," to "consumer option."
There is a reason why poll after poll after poll show that US Citizens are against this plan. The bill is 2000 pages full of tax hikes, and new bureaucracies. 2000 pages and not a mention of tort reform, decreasing regulations across state lines.
HarrySeeword 2 years ago 2
What qualifies as "best" health care? "Best" could mean many different things. "best" could mean infant mortality rate. In that case, the US attempts to keep babies alive, despite adverse conditions. Many of those babies end up dying, increasing mortality rate. Whereas other countries, because of their inept health care, don't count the baby as an infant because it is dead before it is born. Decreasing their mortality rate. Use your head- the ogv't ruins everything it touches. Everything.
sliderinvestments 2 years ago
aside from that the constitution doesn't even permit congress or the house or the senate to pass or write such a bill in the first place.
stavie03 2 years ago
You don't understand that we aren't socialists and if you would like to be in a country that says its number 1 move there because the constitution doesn't permit the government to write such a bill, and if you actually looked at the bill you would see it has nothing to do with the well being of American citizens...it has to do with you losing your bill of rights, freedom, among everything else you take for granted...you are apathetic and have lost touch
stavie03 2 years ago
haha, because they are soo good at running the post office and canadians wait in line for about 6 months....great sign me up....the world doesn't owe you a living, we live in a free world and if you cant pay for health care you can always make small payments monthly...we live in a free country and no one can make me pay for something I don't want...I want the freedom to be able to pay out of pocket even if I am poor....we aren't socialists remember that
stavie03 2 years ago
My Girlfriends 10 y/o daughter is living in Canada with her father; where they have Gov. run health care
She was forced to take the Gardasil shot in school, no parental consent
She now has a vicious case of Guillian Barre, she has attacks of temporary paralysis on random parts of her body.
Her horseback career is now over.
Hows THAT for gov. Health care ?
Say NO !
swordsman3000 2 years ago
Actually you almost have this now with the insurance Industries. We need health care reform and only the miss informed and the Insurance Industry do not see it that way.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
Yes MOm but reform does not translate into giving the Government free reign to screw all of our lives up no does it? I have enjoyed Blue Cross PPO and Delta Dental now for 16 solid years and I am happy to have it. But the government version is crap! Mom resist equating reform with Government run anything
The government sucks at everything it does EXCEPT THE MILITARY
chaserUSA48 2 years ago
Read Albert Eisteins, article-
Why socialism
DSD1v57BG32 2 years ago
chaserUSA48, keep chasing your tail. You have some dizzy reasoning.
Momsincharge 2 years ago
Universal healthcare will result in a lowering of quality of healthcare for everyone, and possibly a lack of healthcare for many as resources become strained, over-worked, and depleted. As it stands right now, healthcare is at a decent quality for some people, but others cannot receive the help they need. Basically, we're stuck with a Catch-22 situation wherein we must pick the lesser of two evils. Which the lesser of them is, is entirely up to you voters.
ThisWasForNaught 2 years ago
You make it sound like insurance companies raising prices when you start costing them lots and lots of money is a new concept. What happens (usually) when you get in a car accident? Insurance companies raise your prices, and if you do it enough to piss them off they get rid of you. Now when it comes to health conditions they shouldnt be as harsh, but i find it hard to believe that all insurance companies provide such crappy treatment. It think you just have crappy insurance companies.
Ingmatter 2 years ago
Ive got mixed ideas about healthcare. from my view you have to ask if we have the resources to provide EVERY American with the treatment they need when they need it. You cant compare military healthcare and other small versions of it to America because, generally, you have a relatively small number of people to pay for compared to the big picture. now if you had to pay for 200-300 million Americans (people who do stupid stuff all the time), how high do taxes have to become to accomplish this?
Ingmatter 2 years ago
When people get sick the real death panel is their insurance company that drops them like a bad habit. Public OPTION!!!! Option being the key word. If a person wants to pay an insurance CEO's bonus HAVE AT IT, but that same will need the Public Option as a backup if they ever get sick! Cuz that CEO can't have your sick A cutting into his PROFITS! BELIEVE IT!
speechyteachy2000 2 years ago 4