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  • Carl Jung had an amazing NDE long before they became the well known concept they are today. He wrote about the experience and its aftereffects and also noted that during the NDE he learned his physician, who was apparently in good health, would die within a year -- and he did.

  • there are just things that we are not capable of understanding. . .

  • @razched

    What's so hard to understand about it? Do some research on Astral Projection, which is when you go into a low state of mind and expanded awareness you are able to see even with your eyes closed. You're not 'seeing' but you're 'perceiving' everything around you a lot more than when you're in a full wakened state. Dreams seem to occur from our mind's reference of sensatory memories so this is why he can only dream in blind mode but what he experienced was expanded awareness.

  • @4c00h Are you an Eckist by any chance? I'm only curious.

  • Thought-provoking video. I find children's NDEs/OBEs/CDEs to be very compelling in general. Dr. Melvin Morse has studied this fascinating subject extensively.

  • @Kafka, a blind born peron will experience any auditory or touch related side effect from a halucenogenic drug. But they will not see anything. They'll be as blind in their trip as they are in their everyday life. When the part of your body that makes sight possible is dead, it is really dead.

  • Freud now and forever knows how wrong he was

  • Carl Jung and Freud = I say Jung wins!!! I read enough on both

  • Freud was a Fraud. (I'm so clever!)

  • Ineffable...

  • @jannalli could you describe some of the signs she has sent you o.o?

  • wonder what an blindborn person can experience on taking an acid hit or DMT. I bet they will experience same as a normal person will

  • Is that a scientific claim????These people have NO recall to see things b/c they've never been able to see.

  • There is a case of a girl born blind who died during an operation and claims she "saw" the doctors and nurses and described them.

  • Thats is NOT scientific claim.

    But it was a great question!

  • i have a q... do blind people dream?

  • Absolutely; but they are blind in their dreams too. Since I put up this video, it has come to my attention that there are a number of other OBE cases just like this one in which blind people were able to see. Strange eh? if they can see during an OBE but not during their dreams, then it could be reasonably argued that whatever an OBE is, it isn't just a lucid dream. There seems to be something else at work here--something of more importance than mere dreaming.

  • @gmdinformation it depends what you mean by lucid dreaming, i have had normal dreams where I realise I am dreaming, but I have had dreams where I "wake up" as myself, almost indistinguishable from normal reality, but it's odd, and buzzy, and NNNGGGGGGG, In /this/ state I have had what some others could term an 'obe' but I think it was actually a 'true' lucid dream, rather than a normal dream where you take control, i think maybe was caused by release of endogenous dmt, and that causes the 'NDE'

  • @Rrrrobbo just to clarify the reason I think that is that dmt is supposedly released upon death, i had a friend who lost the sight in one eye and if he took psychedelics he could 'see' again in the other eye, obviously just because your eye is bust it doesn't mean your visual cortex is!, but the 'obe' "dreams" i've had were SO REAL, that i can think of no other explanation than dmt

  • @Rrrrobbo Well, of course the other explanation is that the OBE state is in fact a visitation to an alternate universe that actually exists. or that you do in fact go outside the body in THIS world. I knew a guy who, while in college, had an OBE where he felt himself float through the wall to his roommate's room where he saw he and his girlfriend had fallen asleep watching TV. She was wearing a yellow sweater he never saw her in before, and in the morning she walked out wearing it.

  • @Rrrrobbo Also, I met several people at a UCLA sleep study a decade ago who did similar things, including floating outside the house and down the block where they heard conversations between people that they later verified as having been said. Robert Monroe (the guy who coined the term "out of body experience" claimed to have pinched a friend hundreds of miles away during an OBE, something she confirmed later and even showed a red mark where he pinched her. It's hard to say DMT was involved.

  • and hearing is usually good- "he who has ears let him hear" check it out...

  • its not your eyes that actually allow you to see, or your ears that allow you to hear, have you ever walked through a crowded room and thought you hear your name called? or have you ever sworn you saw something out of the corner of your eye that actually wasnt there? thats because the mind puts together the information, it can put together information with or without your consent, in a sense, interesting bible study is on seeing and hearing, seeing is usually bad "and she saw that it was good"..

  • Researching my question all day and haven't found any occurances of anyone blind from birth having visual hallucinations. Found lots of people asking the question and an anectdotal account of a woman w/a brother blind from birth who drops acid and hallucinated a rainbow but with no visual. Scientific papers and studies all confirm people blind from birth do not have visual illusions.

  • I want to believe but have more questions. Fever can produce hallucinations. I would think that, like dreams, hallucinations stimulate a visual part of the brain. However, when I dream, I have visuals but maybe hallucinations stimulate the visual part of the brain exponentially more. That combined with stored sensory information could possibly lead to visuals in a person blind from birth. I'd like to know if such a person has visuals from drug-induced hallucinations.

  • I've taken it down now, but I had a video up about dreams coming true that was based on a study by John Dunne in the 1920's at Oxford where he gave great evidence that some people have dreams that predict the future regularly. It's hard to write that off as a brain 'malfunction'. There were also some tests a while back where people were given flash cards, some of which had frightening scenes on them, and people's EKG graphs showed signs of fear a split second before the scary cards were shown.

  • Also, there were some tests done on a particular parot where he also showed the ability to know the answers to questions before they were asked.

    You might want to look for a book by Kary Mullis called _Dancing Naked In the Mind Field_. He's a scientist who won a Nobel in chemistry for his work on PCR several years ago. The book is full of otherwordly experiences he and others have had, including some mind reading things. He came away with the notion that we simply must be more than our bodies.

  • This just shows how we are not our body, but pure energy. Its a no-brainer to those who understand spirit at work, and difficult for people needing "proof" before they'll believe.

  • your not the only one who thinks our spirits our energy,i also believe this.

  • Having sight is a thing of the body, not the spirit. so it is no wonder that physical ailments don't show up in spirit. spirit is whole and doesn't require a body with working senses to observe and sense its surroundings. I've heard that blind people can dream in color (no idea if that's true). But the spirit can never be harmed & is always whole, because it is real and of-God, while body's are not real.

  • I think it depends on if you were born blind or not, because I've heard one woman say she can't even 'see' in her dreams (she had a NDE where she could see tho). Or, maybe it's just an individualistic thing *shrugs*

  • jackson: I agree with everything but your first statement. The spirit can see. People with NDEs are in their spiritual body, and they can see what is going on. Your physical body IS real to the physical realm. It is a must if you want to live here.

  • I can see why you'd say that and I would agree. My point was that all spirit is whole (and can see) and that ailments to the physical body (blindness, etc), don't exist in spirit. But yes, spirit can see - I would agree. :-)

  • This intriguing idea does not strengthen the possible theory of the existance of a God. In fact, the notion of God in relationship to this case study is highly irrelevant, unrelated, out of place, and far from the point. I believe you're coming to a conclusion that cannot logically be reached from the information at hand. As a result, you are "muddying the waters" of important progress in uncovering that which has yet to be discovered about conciousness and how it relates to the human brain.

  • You have a very scientific approach. What do you think is happening with this mans perception, tpaolr?

  • My friend -- you do not get it. Our minds have been poisoned with the idea that God is some creature who lives in the clouds and has a white beard. Our minds have been poisoned with the idea that God takes sides in war and promotes arbitrary laws, and etc. This is not God! God is everything. God is you and your computer. God IS science. God does not fit in a box, and that is why you can't disprove God's existence -- because God's existence IS your existence. :)

  • Be sure to check out my evidence for Christ. I have over 70 pages proving there is a GOD, and this Near Death Experiences are just another piece of evidence. evidence4christianity blogspot

  • Another great NDE video, thank you for posting. It is certainly thought provoking.

  • I had an NDE with a powerful quality to it that simply cannot be explained with the usual atheist/materialist viewpoint- i.e. "It was just an hallucination".  CHeck out my video and see if you think I was just hallucinating about the stranger in the hall of my apartment. Thanks! :-)

  • Amazing!Builds one's faith in another world. Are there any similar testimonies of this kind of experience?

  • University of conneticut Psychologist and NDE researcher Ken Ring wrote a book called MINDSIGHT NDE'S IN CONGENITALLY BLIND great book with many cases. I personally emailed the top Materialist NDE researcher in world after reading this book SUSAN BLACKMORE and asked her to attempt a materalist explanation, and she just told me "I just got out of NDE research so i dont have an informed opinion." I have a video on NDEs on my channel daring Atheists to even attempt an explanation, still waiting

  • Thanks for info.I shall pop over to your channel and check the vid out!

  • I've never heard her name, but I've been told that there was also a blind woman somewhere who also was able to see during an NDE. Strange stuff.

  • Dr. Jeffrey Long of NDERF(dot)com

    near death research foundation, brought a female Blind NDE on the Art Bell radio program years ago to tell her story,It was the most Incredible interview I had ever heard,Bell even admitted it was the most interesting show he had ever done. She got a life review where she saw her entire life for first time, then came back and told Dr. long what she "saw" . Long went and interviewd family members to see if this visual had actually happened and it was confirmed

  • Thanks for the comment. That's really interesting to me.

    I'm gonna be gone for a long time by the way while working on a project, so I'll look for your videos again when I get back toward the end of the year. If I post any videos at all during this time they'll be few and far between.

  • Thats a lost for Youtube, Ill Be glad when

    you get back.

    By the way I forgot to mention the Blind woman who had that NDE here name is Vicki Noratuk probably the most famous female Blind NDEr around that im aware of, I would need to susbscribe to Coast to Coast radio web page in order to down load the audio,

    They only had 2 programs im intrested in Rubert Sheldrake and Vickis interview Im hoping someone one day will post this on youtube

    I believe she was on the program sept 19, 2004

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