A Dairy Farmer's Perspective on Wolf Reintroduction

[jonahansen]

Wolves are undeniably predators, but the biggest and scariest predator by far are humans. Compare how many humans other humans kill. Then consider whether you think humans are smart enough to be allowed to decide which species should live and which should be exterminated. If it weren't for human's ability to transmit information to their children, the physical human is much like any other animal; what would be the outcome of a wolf convention that debated whether or not to exterminate humans?

[98BookWolf]

Actually, if you keep your cows under watch, we can co-exist. I am not a city girl either. It is true that wolves will kill cattle, but put up better fences that go underground somewhat too. So they cant dig, keep animals in barn with doors locked and if there are any windows lock them too

[BruceH59]

Here is why wolves were wiped out In 1884, in a February issue of “Forest and Stream”, a writer tells of what it was like living in Maine and dealing with wolves.: “Some fifty years ago these animals [wolves] were numerous and terribly ravenous in the many sparsely settled districts of New England, and the farmers found it impossible to raise sheep, and even calves and pigs were frequently destroyed. Instances were numerous where strong men were attacked and overpowered by packs of wolves.”

[BruceH59]

BTW the co existing myth is funny as heck that comes from city dwelling people that believe in fairy tales. In the real world you are either predator or prey when man stop being the top predator he becomes prey his dogs are slaughtered his cattle wipe out all because immature city people refuse to grow up and face reality.

[BruceH59]

The Hunt side mentions the plight of our industry due to the uncontrolled and unmanaged wolf populations and their impact on Idaho's managed big game and the resultant devastation to many of the 140-plus small family run hunt businesses. The number of outfitters deer and hunters has decreased by 209 percent Since reintroduction in 1995. Outfitters tell me that their businesses have devalued by as much as 70% since 1995. We agree that an emergency has existed for some time.

[BruceH59]

A Farmer in Upper Michigan reported that since wolves have been in the State he has lost over $100,000.00 in livestock.

[BruceH59]

Here is what Vermont has to look forward to if they are dumb enough to allow wolves in their state.At the meeting Tuesday night, veterinarian John Howe said he frequently gets panicked calls about wolf attacks on pets. Howe says in one case, a ...woman's yellow lab was sitting on her deck in the middle of the day. Her 5-year-old son was 50 feet away. He says wolves killed the dog in a matter of seconds and dragged it into the woods. Minnesota Public Radio

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - I wonder how many pets are killed by cars in those states each year...??? Look - there is nothing you can do. Learn to co-exist with them. Smart people would have never let them become extinct in the first place. Blame your forefathers.

[BruceH59]

@Amidat I wonder why no one in the wolf cult will act like a real man and take responsibility for their actions. Not one of you nutcases ever care about the destructions your wolves do. Documented fact ranchers, outfitters and small business owners that depend on hunters have been forced out of business. But anti American don't care about people only worshipping the wolves. It is truly a sick cult.

[totodile493]

Holy crap! They eat their natural prey! Besides, I ran with coyotes before. I was trotting behind, then one glanced back and glanced again longer... and that's when I ran out of breath.

[KingKunta83]

Keep your pets in the house problem solved...

[Rockholm66]

@dpattiris

You are another example of the mindless drones, known as the Wolf Cult!

[carnypimp]

Get a damn livestock guardog not one of those pussy hound dogs and wolves wont kill your livestock out!

[OwnedByTheOne]

Its funny how people who love wolves go for a hike in Yellowstone and suddenly become experts. The truth is that the ecosystem has changed and it is our responsibility to manage it. If there is no room for an Apex Predator in the food chain, then it is not only stupid-it is irresponsible to re-introduce them. And dont go to your HillBilly Montanan comments, We have managed our land and resources far better and longer than anywhere in the U.S. Wheres Your wild life??

[OwnedByTheOne]

so let us manage our land. We are obviously better at it here than anywhere else, or you wouldn't come here for vacation.

[packmentality]

@OwnedByTheOne

That's a good one!

Intelligent comments like these, are the reason your land out west was in decline. The reintroduction of predators have saved the west, despite the narrow minded nonsense.

Try being open minded, grow a pair, and actually read the opinions of conservationist. How about the opinions of wildlife biologist..., or is it because you only listen to the same B/S from ranchers and trophy hunters?

Expand your mind, then we can discuss.

[stevesadventures]

@packmentality ..how intelligent are you ?? ..the amount of land out west or "FREE open range" isn't the same TODAY as it was 200 years ago, before railroads were built, much less having jumbo jet airplanes to help grow the population of HUMANS out west..meaning the amount of territory for wolves to roam around in isn't the same TODAY as it was 200 years ago, which is why we have "small plots of land" called national forestry for elk, cougar, deer, etc. to roam, which now wolves have taken over.

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

Apparently way more intelligent than you! Twit!

Yeah.., those that live out west really take care of the land.., pull this leg and it plays jingle bells morons!

I hunt.., and have done so in many parts of the country. I hunt for sustenance, not trophy, and i respect the animals I harvest.

After hunting two legged creatures for a good part of my life, I've become quite astute at recognizing dip shit mentalities such as the moronic un-intelligent comments on here. Rubes!

[stevesadventures]

@packmentality ...I never said I liked hunting.

I'm simply stating that the amount of land for wolves to roam has decreased considerably in the past 200 years

As a result, wolves dominate and kill off all other types of wildlife (elk, moose, deer, rams, mt. sheep, antelope, etc). Wolves are naturally born to kill anything that runs from them. It's a natural predatory response.

You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. U have to trim the edges.

Meaning, u MANAGE wolf populations !!!

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

I can careless what you like!

You apparently don't have a original thought, since you repeat the same bullshit all the other anti wolf, pro business hunting guides and ranchers propaganda.

I'm not against  proper responsible and ethical wildlife management. But the diatribe out there is taken to a personal level, like the wolf is at fault and needs to suffer!

Listen to the yahoos that promote "SSS", which I'm sure you know what that means.

I hunt out there..., continued

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

I can careless what you like!

You apparently don't have a original thought, since you repeat the same bullshit all the other anti wolf, pro business hunting guides and ranchers propaganda.

I'm not against proper responsible and ethical wildlife management. But the diatribe out there is taken to a personal level, like the wolf is at fault and needs to suffer!

Listen to the yahoos that promote "SSS", which I'm sure you know what that means.

I hunt out there..., continued



[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

Continued.., you state that wolves hunt anything that runs.., well that's partially true, due to predatory response, but it's not for sport just because it is not all consumed immediately. Humans hunt for sport, and don't eat all they kill, what about them? Why is it that Elk harvested numbers haven't dipped by year, and they even hold Elk reduction hunts? I thought the wolves were decimating them!!!??? Bullshit!

Management doesn't mean gassing animals in their dens..

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

Elk, Moose, Deer have all learned to adapt.., except the Human. We expect the animals to always be where we have always found them. They traverse to stay alive.., so hunt them then! Geez! It's not too difficult to figure out that it's guide businesses and ranchers that don't want to compete with wolves, and the fact they use public lands, yet expect to have it sterile is ridiculous!

Listen to both sides before you jump off the cliff you are standing on with your rhetoric...

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

Obviously the outfitters don't want to have competition, yet they(YOU) want to bring weekend warriors out to kill all sorts of game, yet you don't see that they (YOU) are the ones contributing to the population of game harvested.

If you live off the grid, and rely on game, then I'll cut you play, but WE hunters that hunt for sustenance can be choosy as to harvesting. Wild predators can not!

This video is propaganda, with misleading non factual statements.., and you know it.

[stevesadventures]

@packmentality ...Just so you know, i live in miami and don't hunt, but love fishing.

...However, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that NOT managing a wolf population will create problems.

It's simple math: wolves on average have 5 pups a year and can have as many as 11 pups per year. A moose or elk ONLY have 1 to 2 calfs per year. Calfs are easy prey for bears, wolves, and cougars. If these predators are NOT managed they will take over the elk, deer, and moose populations.

[packmentality]

@stevesadventures

First, your facts are a bit off.., but you omit the fact that wolves cull themselves at a rate of 20% per year. They die of starvation, weather, disease, war with rival packs, and of course poachers.

Seriously, get a better well rounded view of how the ecosystem works, them we cam talk management.

I apologize for my anger, but it's the demonizing of a animal that frustrates me.

On another note.., great fishing down there!

Are you a Heat fan? Wade is the man, LeBron blows! : )

[jonahansen]

@stevesadventures But that's not the whole story. Starfish have millions of offspring every year, but like all species in equilibrium, only two survive to the relevant end. Even if they reproduce faster and have more pups, what do you think happens when their population becomes so large that the elks and other prey for them can't sustain them? Then it's the wolves turn for population reduction. Are you saying they will multiply infinitely? Doesn't happen.

[packmentality]

@OwnedByTheOne

You must only look at the pictures, because if you could read and comprehend, you would have understood the opposite of what you say.

Alaska has done a great job managing wildlife, but have fewer knucklheads to deal with than the lower 48.

The fact that some fat bastard has to actually stalk a Elk now, rather than pull up in his truck, lay some grain, then wait, is the great laugh!

That and grazing rights are at issue.

I can see you'll never admit the truth.

[OwnedByTheOne]

Thank you for proving my point. You use Alaska as your example. There isn't as many people there so there is more prey for the predatorsduh. There's more people here and less prey. So introduce more predators-what? That is irresponsible and stupid.

[OwnedByTheOne]

@packmentality I don't know any one in Montana that lays out grain when they Elk hunt, and your one lucky son of a gun if you can shoot one from the road. You don't know what your talking about SUNDAY HIKER. You should admit the truth, you talk about things you read about in books and saw on a hike, we live here and deal with the problems.

[packmentality]

@OwnedByTheOne

Surprised you made it out of elementary school with that rationale.

Thanks for proving my point nit wit!

I believe in management, but not by the means and propaganda you all eat up with a spoon by the ignorance of greed you follow.

You all spew the same irrational bullshit, it's laughable.

As to our wildlife.., we have plenty!

Come to the big city and walk on the West side.., you'll see some wildlife!

[SullaLooming]

Hit the nail on the head there, most of the pro wolf crowd are just plain wildlife pro, nothing wrong with that but they have never lived with wolves,

[consiquent]

Don't understand why farmers worldwide bitch and complain about wolves, place your animals behind fences people? : \

[marcusgrim]

you suck ..... wolves get near humans only when they are very very very hungry ....you take his food , you take his home and you multiply in his house... now how would you feel if this was done to you...

[packmentality]

So A guy posted from Chicago and you think that means he doesn't have a opinion, that's why you sound pathetic. He has his opinion, you have yours.

From reading some of these post, you and your friends here see no problem shooting a wolf legally or illegally, why? Hunt for food is fine, kill to protect yourself or livestock when in immediate danger, fine too.

But some of these comments defy logic. Elk population is down due to over hunting, not natural predation!

Are you unwilling to listen?

[lilkrikit]

For example: I live near a forest where fox, deer, raccoons, you name it lived before development. I have 8 ringneck doves. Those are a type of bird in case you didnt know. Twice a year we get Cooper's & Red winged hawks trying to get my doves. Once, one of my baby doves was hurt. Yet, I dont go out & buy any sort of weapon to kill these beautiful raptors. I simply would keep an eye out & shoo them away. Now I have a dog & Ive only seen one try. It's so very simple. Make it humanely uninviting.

[stevesadventures]

@lilkrikit ......when a pack of wolves start attacking your little guard doggy and start eating it ALIVE and then jump on you for trying to "shoo" them away while ripping you from limb to limb, then maybe you will realize how retarded you comment is......the funny thing is, it will be too little too late for you to grasp the destruction that wolves cause.

[lilkrikit]

Wolves do what is instinctive of them..eat what is AVAILABLE. Furthermore, if I lived where you live, I would understand the dangers in my surroundings. Therefore, being more careful not to leave my children & pets unattended. They didnt choose to live in a wilderness or close by one..I did. They are my responsibility.

[lilkrikit]

And I still say that this video is extremely stupid. Get a better educative video to get your point across.

[lilkrikit]

@ Alaskangrown12, it's not that I dont LIKE red meat..like I said, it literally makes me sick..as in ILL. With all that they do to the animals & all that it is added to foods (and meats) these days..YES! I will say that I am of an opinion that no one should eat MEAT red or otherwise.

[lilkrikit]

If people only knew that we do not need to eat meat (cattle) to survive..there wouldnt be any ranchers at all killing wolves. In fact, I honestly get sick whenever I do eat red meat. Hmmm, I wonder why?

[Alaskangrown12]

just because you don't like red meat doesn't mean it shouldn't be eaten. are you going to tell me now that people are not meant to eat meat?

[lilkrikit]

How about if you people go after & kill all the ranchers & farmers that raise & slaughter cows, pigs, and chickens in the most cruel ways?????

[lilkrikit]

They have to eat! You ignorant people. This is the most stupid video I have seen to date. If they behave so much like humans..are you going to go out and kill packs of humans? Deer & elk can also kill a human..they are capable of being very aggressive. Oh but wait..humans eat them too! Except they dont hunt them in a fair way.

[Amidat]

@lilkrikit - yup...elk and moose kill more humans than wolves ever have.  I also have a heart for farmers also... but I think they should do like what farmers have done in Africa. Cheetahs were killing a lot of livestock and the farmers were killing the cheetah. So someone came up with the idea to import livestock guardian dogs... and now the cheetah's rarely attack - because they want to avoid the dogs.

[lilkrikit]

Also, people shouldnt drink cow milk or eat dairy products. Cow milk is meant for calves, not humans. Whatever cow milk is said to provide for humans can be found elsewhere.

[lilkrikit]

My dog is also bigger than a coyote, weighs 60 pounds, loves to eat meat, and tried to be the alpha male. Are you going to kill him too?

[Jetryder223]

What the... Where the hell'd you come from? I didn't even toss the line in your direction but I still landed a whopping idiot.

First off no REAL rancher wants to have wolves near their livestock. Hell all the ranchers i know of shoot them on sight regardles of legality. Did i say that I wanted to exterminate all wolves or were you just high as a kite hitting the crackpipe? Do you really think I could kill all wolves when powerful tyrants such as hitler failed to kill all non Aryans?

[BIGSKYHAL50]

Control the damm things, and do it now, or the people affected will have to do it themselves.......

[BruceH59]

The John Oakleaf study in Idaho proved that wolves were the ones killing the livestock. The actual compensation to the ranchers worked out to 1 out 7. That means that 6 times the wolf would kill the ranchers never received one dime in compensation. Many small family ranchers have been forced out of business due to this flaw system. Just the facts.

[BruceH59]

Sport killing by wolves has slaughter thousands of animals left to waste because the wolves killed for the fun of it. This has been documented in every single state wolves are. For example in Idaho one sheep rancher lost 47 sheep in a single night to a pack of wolves most of the sheep were killed and left to the rot. The guy investigating it said it look like a battlefield with blood and guts everywhere.

Several ranchers have been forced out of business due to the flaw compensation program.

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - i'm pretty sure that the 47 sheep were not killed just to rot by the wolves. MANY predators make kills and will leave parts of the carcass for later. I'm pretty sure that if it was not on a farm where humans came upon the carcasses... the wolves would go back and continue eating the animals. I feel terrible for the rancher if he lost that much... but you are wrong. They kill other predators who are competition - or they kill to eat. They DO NOT always eat in one sitting...

[BruceH59]

@Amidat When did I comment on this video 11 months agao a year when? A little late for your too reply. Yes wolves sports kill it is documented fact and they some times come back to feed other times they do not the experts are calling it reflex killing now. Wolves get into almost a frenzy like a shark attack and just start killing ajnd killing not for food just to kill even the experts can't fully explain it. Yes it was verify all 47 sheep were slaughtered by wolves and just wolves.

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - sharks killing in a frenzy is not for sport either... they are hunting. Whatever the shark kills and can't eat is eaten by scavengers. The sheep are domesticated and so don't have the same sense that a wild prey animal would to get away. A wolf doesn't know "oh wow - let me attack the rancher's livestock to get him mad". All the wolf knows is the livestock are not as smart as most of it's other prey. Its sad for the rancher... but does not make it a "sport killing".

[BruceH59]

@Amidat You watch way to much TV it sport killing you can twist lie and deny all you want the facts don't change it was sport killing and wolves do it all the time. Wolves need to be control they now turn into pest and people have lost their pateince with them.

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - i'm the one who watches tv?? lolol. what are you watching? you can't give a constructive answer to what I said because there is none. You can say they are a nuisance - but killing for sport is ridiculous. That's like saying a house cat kills birds outside for fun. NO - it kills the birds because that's its instincts... and if an owner wasn't feeding them cat food they would eat it. Simple as that.

[BruceH59]

@Amidat LMAO PLAYING games with facts. Here is what everyone in Vermont needs to know your cattle will get slaughter you will be ripped off and not paid for all the kills. You deer will get wiped out. Your dogs will be ripped to shreds and the wolf cult will tell you too bad your dog is not important. After they lie to you and tell you deer hunting is going to improve you will learn the real goal is they will change to the wolves should have all the deer to eat. Keep them out of your state.

[BruceH59]

@Amidat LMAO PLAYING games with facts. Here is what everyone in Vermont needs to know your cattle will get slaughter you will be ripped off and not paid for all the kills. You deer will get wiped out. Your dogs will be ripped to shreds and the wolf cult will tell you too bad your dog is not important. After they lie to you and tell you deer hunting is going to improve you will learn the real goal is they will change to the wolves should have all the deer to eat. Keep them out of your state.

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - Interestingly enough... in the Northeast and New England there has been specualtion that wolves from over the border in Canada may try to establish themselves. There have "unconfirmed" reports of single wolves in each of those states.... same with mountain lions (who obviously don't live in packs). But if you had it your way it sounds like all wolves would be dead in Canada too... so that would never happen.

[BruceH59]

You your no friends and 2 subs LMAO interesting how much you think you know. I am just letting the good folks of Vermont know the documented facts of what happens when the fake endangered wolves come into their State. We have no problems with predators something you wolf cult nutcases just can't seems to understand what we have problems with is liars and fraud. Since the wolf cult keeps law suit going and stopping reasonable control it leave people with no choice but to warn others of the con

[BruceH59]

@Amidat Wow 2 years ago I posted on this video. A little late for you to reply don't you think? 2years?

[Amidat]

@BruceH59 - that's the information age... what we post on the internet is preserved.

[BruceH59]

@Amidat That fine my point is you are very late very behind the times

[BruceH59]

The wolves are a fake endangered species. According to the definition endangered means close to extinction with over 50,000 (some think well over 100, 000) wolves in Canada alone they are far from even close to extinction.

Learn how the official count of wolves is a fraud check with the USFWS and read the studies. No single doubles or un collared packs are counted. The actual numbers of wolves in the lower 48 is 2-3 times higher then the official count.

[Jetryder223]

It's oficcial, I hate citylife enviornmentalists, when is enough enough? a wolf has more right to live than hundreds if not thousands of our furry and feathered livestock? IF I were in the position of these farmers being dictated by liberals, city folk, and ignorant/careless enviornmentalists, I would take matters into my own hands... why do I get the feeling i'm one of the first of many to think like this?

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Bring it bitch!

He talked shit first and I answered, you want some motherfucker, I'm here!

Otherwise, shut your pie hole !

I've been in the rockies almost as long as I grew up in the CHI.

I've met morons like you, and I know excellent people who think you all are the biggest goofs that give real ranchers a bad name.

That's why these ranchers are looking to alternatives, not looking to exterminate a species, you fuck!

Anytime

[BruceH59]

No ONE said wipe out the wolves you see that comes from your immature punk thinking. You have been out west and talked to the ranchers that have been put out of business Hahahahah you talk a like a 13 year old punk child. Grow up or shut up you are nothing but a city twit that thinks he understand reality. Run along troll you have no clue what is really going on in the eco system that takes real study off the computer something you lack is skills in the wild.

[Rockholm66]

You fail in every way. You grew up in CHI? WTF is CHI? Chicago? Now you live in the Rockies? WOW! You know nothing of the problems we face, and the dangers of living with wolves. You can never understand, and it really doesn't matter. Wolf season is now open, and let me tell you, I am getting very good at tracking, and locating them. We will continue protecting wildlife, and you go back to worshiping the wolf Gods.

[packmentality]

You are a moron!

You know nothing about me or what I study toothless prick!

Stay closed minded and life will pas you by...

You statement sounds like a little kid who takes his ball and goes home cuz no one will listen to you.

You talk tuff but are clueless if you think wiping out a species is good and I don't know why morons like you think if someone demands ethical treatment of a animal, it denotes weakness???

You moronic comments show YOUR weakness and narrow views of the world.

UR loser!

[OwnedByTheOne]

packmental,

Elk population is not down due to over hunting. We've been managing Elk through hunting for a long time. Now you can't tell me that you really believe it has nothing to do with the reintroduction of wolves. You claim that you study wolves in the Rockies. You probably do. But if you did your research you would know that Elk population decline is directly related to wolf population in an area. By the way- you sound less professional with every reply you make. Not good for your cause.

[packmentality]

Less professional???

You sound like a child! Stick to the point.

Obviously Elk populations will be altered, adding another predator to the list. But what you fail to mention is that the Wolves were there first, and they mainly harvest weak, injured, or old Elk. Thereby aiding in keeping Herds healthy and strong. If you dispute that, you haven't a clue as to wildlife and the Ecosystem.

How many hunting companies pushing their quotas out west alone? A lot!

Sport hunting goofs ruin herds.

[packmentality]

You think you insult me by altering my id name. What a moron!

Management of wildlife is below par in this country, who you foolin! It wasn't until reintroduction that herds grew stronger! READ A BOOK SOMETIME

But if you paid attention, you would of noticed the wolves coexisted just fine, years before Europeans came to North

America.

People who have negative interactions with APEX predators often do so because of lack of knowledge.

Hey, I enjoy a good Elk steak too, but I coexist in doing so.

[OwnedByTheOne]

@packmentality-Elk have been managed for a very long time in the west and numbers have been steady. Wolves are reintroduced into an area and the elk numbers go down--but its hunting? Find a better argument. and your point about wolves living in harmony with the ecosystem before white people...Im not arguing, your right, but things changed and an uncontrolled free roaming wolf population doesn't work in Montana Idaho and Wyoming anymore. Would you expect it to work in upstate New York?

[packmentality]

@OwnedByTheOne

I have spent more than a hike in the west. Secondly, the wildlife management has NOT been up to par in the past, and the reintroduction of wolves enhanced the wildlife and land. Where do you get your info?Probably from the same misguided people who spew the same nonsense as you.

It works where ever their is a understanding of science, and wildlife.

Destroying something because you haven't a clue as to manage yourselves, as well as wildlife isn't the answer.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

How do I fail Goof !?

I work with ranchers, ones who aren't looking to eliminate a species but live amongst them, with minimal contact.

They ARE willing to try alternate methods while we work with the Govt. to better serve ranchers.

The data you and the others state here are so bogus it's laughable, and if wolves destroyed that many head, then WTF was the cattlemen doing to be that unaware.

Other methods have had success. Admit it!

Obviously others here agree too!

[1957stan]

Great video... Reality is hard or impossible for some people.. Chicago is another armchair expert.. I see he has comments disabled on his channel.. Just another spineless dumb ass..

[ChicagoIrishman1]

HA HA HA

Ok, you are a extremist paranoid nut!

OK, now I know and I'll go easy for now, you are a retard and I don't pick on the handicapped!

If you are able to comprehend what I wrote, you'd understand that I'm neither a liberal or activist. *LOL

I was raised with compassion for animals but that didn't mean we didn't hunt. We respect land and animal but I never trophy hunted, unless it was for Humans.

Spreading lies is weak and cowardly.

I watched two pyrenese dogs stave off 7 wolves, no loss

[BruceH59]

Wow you really are a nutcase being reading your far left wing extremist magazine Earth First. Are you in a eco terrorist group? You really have a problem with reality. Really well since I actually interview ranchers and that had 2 Pyrenees dogs killed by wolves it would appear that dogs are not the answer.

Do you always talk about things you know so little about or just attack people that have more knowledge then you because you are a mental midget?

Hunting wolves is respecting them.

[Rockholm66]

Bruce,

You may as well beat your head against the wall. These lunatics are never going to see the truth. Wolves are destroying the eco system in the West, and the deranged wolf lovers continue to promote their agenda of reintroduction. Wolf season opens soon here, and I will do my part to save the other animals, and stop the illegal non native Canadian Grey wolf, here in Idaho.

[BruceH59]

Rock another know nothing kid thinks he has a clue what he is talking about. Chicago city boy. He has no fact or tries to debate just rambling on like a street person. Another Mommy boy no doubt.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Ha HA HA

Mommy boy, wow, that's a good one!

So then you are another hickle billy tootless bitch who thinks all animals can be dealt with as YOU believe, and anyone else is wrong.

This city boy actually travels and learns from others who have brains, and lives among predators enough to understand Eco-systems and the function of balance.

The only thing you morons know is if you don't understand something, you attack it!

That's why you are a dufus and Rockholm is your butt wipe.

What dip shits!

[BruceH59]

You are reflection of the poor job your parents did raising you a narrow minded little punk kid that thinks he has a clue. You are to ignorant to study facts to immature to admit that many people understand the eco system far better then your tiny little mind can ever comprehend.

Your only come back is to attack me with your childish immature bigot comment you come across as emotional unstable skinhead.. Run along troll. When you grow up punk you well see what a bigot racist you truly are.

[Amidat]

@Rockholm66 - how could wolves be destroying the eco system out west when the ecosystem originally had them?? Human intervention is what messed things up. I don't pretend that life as a rancher who has to protect his livestock is easy... but that is ridiculous to say wolves "ruin" the eco system. This is not like pythons in Florida. Wolves are natives who were killed off by the "settlers".

[Rockholm66]

@Amidat I agree, we did have wolves native to the area. Idaho had resident wolves before the introduction of the wolves from Northern BC. This wolf introduction racket, and the myth of Natural Balance is at the root of the problem.This larger non native wolf is sterilizing the land. The Canadian wolf has characteristics, hunting tactic, and aggression our former wolf had. It is artificial densities created by scientific fraud that is causing the problem. Follow the money...

[Amidat]

@Rockholm66 - ok well I could agree with that... but my point is in blaming the wolves. people messed things up by kiling them off in the first place... and now they mess it up by introducing a different sub-species. The reality is people have to find a way to co-exist with them.

[Rockholm66]

@Amidat Coexisting with this larger, more aggressive Canadian wolf would be like asking someone to accept living next to a terrorist organization in a urban development. I will never accept the delusional myth, we can co-exist. Wolves must be aggressively managed, or they will sterilize all of the animals until they too go extinct. Please step away from your emotional attachment with what the environmental religion has been preaching for two decades.

[Amidat]

@Rockholm66 - first of all the religion I have is the bible and only the bible. the bible I read says only a specific animal should be killed for it's acts - not an entire species!!! do people live in Canada? do they have wolves in Canada? It's people with your mentality that caused the native wolves to go extinct in the first place...so now you suffer more (supposedly) with larger ones. Did the natives in your state not live with wolves before your forefathers??

[transf0rmer55]

@Rockholm66 I stil see you are still the uneducated fat fuck you have always been Scott Rockholm.

[broncobill1204]

no she said 70 to 135 pounds

[bigone231]

did any one notice that the narrator said wolves weigh 72hundred and 35 pounds is that 7,235 i dont know too mant wolves that weight that much it was around :30. no one could have thought wolves where a perdator. they kill what they need. kinda like us we kill what we need but we over do it hunting animals to extinction

[jemfin]

she actually said wolves weigh about 70 to 135 pounds lol

[jakeh9t1]

if wolf's pose such a threat 2 us then y dnt we kill every predator that poses a threat,

wild dog's,

big cat's,

bear's,

just about everything that eat's meat

oh except 4 us because we meen so much 2 this planet,

till in the end the only place we can see any animal (besides livestock) is in a zoo, were they dont do what they do in the wild,

wtf givs us the right 2 say any animal cnt live somewhere, just because we're so scared of it,

some people need taking outside an shooting themselvs

[YunSeung]

We have a right. To protect our livestock so people can eat. If an endangered animal attacks you, will you just sit there and take it? No. I'm sure you think you life is far too important to give away to some deranged predator. Just as importantly, We gotta protect the source of our life. Food. Only a moron would want to protect the very thing that's trying to take away our supplies. Some people just need to take themselves to the wolves to be eaten.

[jakeh9t1]

lol ok i see your point

but then have u thought about when all the predators are gone,

and all they prey'd on eat's more than can be replaced then what ?

nature fuck''s up then

maybe the government should come up with something 2 sort all this crap out

like pay you people when your shit gets killed

instead of killing more and more

:D

[YunSeung]

And thats why you gotta have a balance.

[dennetyl000]

predators aren't deranged for wanting to eat, after all they're just protecting the source of their life. FOOD. YOU ARE A MORON.

[YunSeung]

Source of life that requires another life or more. You care so much about their hunger? Feed them yourself.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Right on!

[BruceH59]

Have you ever noticed that the anti human pro wolf side never ever offer to pay for a solution. They want the ranchers to pay for the cost of everything so they can sit 1000 miles away from the wolves and tell their liberal friends about how much they care for the wolves. I have never seen 1 on Youtube that has ever offer to help pay for anything. I guess that just proves once again how uneducated they are on reality.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

You are clueless!

They do have a program that reimburses ranchers, but ranchers often inflate numbers.

Ranchers also use public land for grazing rights, then kill wolves who are in their own territory minding their own bizz.

Try researching a bit before you stick your foot in your mouth, Goof!

[wolfcrossing]

Also, just about every single solution to living with wolves, has a shelf life of about 2 weeks. Most of it isn't anything that is usable by the small rancher or farmer as it is expensive, ask someone with two pyreneese to feed, the bill gets big and fast. Then when you have one killed that is money down the drain and you have to start over. not to mention, they are nice dogs and it hurts every time. lose of cattle harms local tax bases as well. The point is, the solutions don't work

[ChicagoIrishman1]

That's what the Govt. should be paying for as well as medical. Then the ranchers could think of a different reason.

I worked over seas on a ranch with Dogs.

NOT ONE HEAD WAS TAKEN and feeding dogs on a ranch isn't difficult nor expensive.

You haven't a clue dude!

[BruceH59]

LOL I am clueless that is too funny city boy. Since I have actually interview the ranchers forced out of business for not receiving one dime from compensation program it appears you are the clueless one.

You should actually tried to get off the internet and do real research talking to the ranchers and not just read myths and fairy tale from the pro wolf side. That would be called reality can you handle the truth child?

[ChicagoIrishman1]

I hunt bitch. Both Human and animal so before you start talking with your one tooth, be aware that I may have grown up in the CHI, I did travel in my years and became quite efficient at what I do.

I served my country and provided my family with meat thru superb hunting skills, not baiting like you do bitch.

You spread such bull shit lies your eyes are probably brown!

Have wolves had negative interactions with Humans? Sure. But most have been Human error, not animal.

Piss off Hicklebilly !

[BruceH59]

So you are bigot with a computer are you going to the skinhead meeting tonight. Swearing sign of weak mind trying to express itself in your case a very weak mind. Now I am bait hunter wow news to me do you call the Psychic hotline to find out how I hunt loser? LOL

I served this country too child can't handle the truth about wolves then run along troll just because you are hunter does not mean you are qualify to talk about predator control.

[Rockholm66]

You are an idiot!

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Oh No!

Piss off hickle billy!

I speak the truth and you and toothless wonder spread lies.

*LOL

I'm as old as you Bruce, and apparently you and your boyfriend can't argue a simple point without spreading bullshit!

What pussies

[BruceH59]

You don't debate you attack people if you are my age you have learn little in your life except how to act like a punk kid and spread lies. You are a disgrace to the good hunters in the field a mindless punk that needs to grow up and act his age.

[wolfcrossing]

Actually I am a rancher who runs and works cattle with head dogs. So I do have a clue and dogs are lost to wolves on a regular basis which apparently you don't know so I have to wonder if you actually are the one without a clue. Expense is always reletive isn't it. Dude? What makes you think I am a dude?

[packmentality]

Can you elaborate on the dogs you say you lost. That's of interest to me since my proposals to the Federal Gov'T are to better aid ranchers.

What type of dogs do you use?

How many?

Would you be in favor of properly trained dogs, federal funded for the ranchers so it doesn't come out of the ranchers pocket, considering what ranchers contracts are with the Gov't. ?

They seem to be working fine in Europe, where wolf populations are growing rapidly.

I'm not anti hunting, just pro ecosystem

Thanks

[wolfcrossing]

Very little threat to humans and livestock means the environmentalists won't be affected. They seem to believe they are the only humans who matter anyway. You are correct, there will be problems and they will be bad. you will be demonized if you expose them and your lives will be altered completely. Each community will need to deal with it in a different manner. I have learned support comes every year from those impacted so hang in as long as you can and hope for the best.

[darkhyena]

Informative video, but the whole "alpha male & female" concept is outdated, and is taken primarily from studies taken on captive animals, which are unable to disperse.

In the wild, the dominant wolves are simply the parents of the rest of the pack. Any parent is dominant over its offspring, therefore calling one alpha is really no different to calling human parents "alpha".

[darkwulf73]

I disagree with you, but offer solutions to your problem, both of which have been proven successful before. You can share.

And sorry that was so long, just something I am passionate about.

[varmintslayer1]

You certainly are passionate about the wolves but do not realize the scale of the problem here. I am talking about something I am very well informed about and am able to see the wolves a few times a week. I am not a person going off half cocked here. My families ranch is large and when I say it is large I mean it takes 4 hours to drive accross it in one direction. Playing howling noises will not work. Getting guardian dogs would not work because we would need 100 of them.

[varmintslayer1]

When you say a few extra dollars I hope you understand that the number is more like $50,000 dollars. The world is inhabited by people and just because we own a large piece of undeveloped property does not mean a few people should bare the cost of the U.S. wolves eating habits. When the U.S. was settled we claime our land and started this operation in the late 1800's. It will continue for generations ahead.

[darkwulf73]

A wolf's howl is designed to go for up to ten miles. That would work just fine. also Pyreneans, the breed I suggested, stay with the herds and guard them, live with them. They bring them out and then herd them back in. It's what they were bred for and they are very good at it. I used to have one and he did the most wonderful job guarding our animals I've ever seen a dog do.

[darkwulf73]

I serioudsly disagree. It is my opinion that playing defensive howls is the best and easiest way. It gives them a message they understand without a massive cost or much effort on the rancher's part. No replacing bullets, no having to drag carcasses that can weigh a decent amount off to a different spot.  Of course if you really want to murder, then I guess that's your opinion. I hope you realise what you're doing someday.

[darkwulf73]

Despite what that video said, we do know what the howling is for and when the pak is howling together it often is a warning to neighnboring packs, a claiming of territory. Play those howls yourself and you claim your territory. It's been used sccessfully before. No gus, no bloodshed, no lost cattle, and less expensive than the upkeep of a new dog.

[varmintslayer1]

Making the statements you have made shows a great sentiment for nature but I don't agree with you. It is good for me that people who share your view only represent 10% of the voters in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. At the end of the day wolves will be handled by ranchers however they see fit and the wolves will be just fine. Some will be shot until they learn to stay away from cattle. Sooner or later they will learn or disappear.

[yoopersportsman]

Howl emiters only work for a week then when they come around to investigate they see it isnt from a pack and then the chaos starts towards any livestock or living creature as the wolf eats its way around and kills off all the other animals. Reintroduction should be in all major cites.Then the ones who think the wolf is a cuddly,cute,never kill for sport animal shall have their children,pets and livehood stripped away as the does the rest of us who deal w/these troublesome uncontrolled wolves.:)

[darkwulf73]

I hope the smiley meant that all you just said was a joke, because it was all a lie.

[yoopersportsman]

The smiley meant that howl emiters have been tried and only work for a short time.Trust me, it's been tried and doesn't work.

[darkwulf73]

I'm not trying to say that you don't have any right to the land there. I'm just saying that it's not techniqually your land. In a hundred years you won't be there. It's not yours. It's time you realised that and started sharing. There are far better ways to ward off wolves than killing them. For example, try brodcasting a wolf pack's howls out over your fields whenever you hear the wolves and often otherwise.

[varmintslayer1]

We have every right to this property. The taxes are paid and the title is ours. If you do not like how we run our ranches I suggest you buy 50 or 75 sections of ground to do with what you would like. When you own your own ranch and are responsible for the livelihood of 30 employees and their familes and understand all the costs of doing business then you can make suggestions.

[rrr1sportrider]

Shake and Bake. Could not have said it any better. Wolves have been nothing but problems to our livestock.

[Amidat]

@varmintslayer1 - you have every right to the property? there are some tribes that are non-existant now that would dispute that if they could. Funny thing is that they were able to live near the wolves... so why can't you? Who is really bloodthirsty.... your forefathers or the wolves? Or both?

[darkwulf73]

You can keep your cattle in plenty good condition and away from wolves. Get yourself a good guard dog (I recomend a pyrenean mountain dog, they are amamzing! xD) and learn to share what you shouldn't be on in the first place. Have you seen the pictures of dead pups laying next to their mother over the den becoause someone wanted some more money? Would you even care that those pups lost their lives over a few extra dollars? They should have never been removed, heck with reintroduction.

[darkwulf73]

Wow you guys are being pretty selfish here. Not to mention, some of those facts in that vid are incorect as well as your own. Wolves don't decimate populations, they weed out the weak and keep the herds strong. Welcome to how nature intended the plan to happen. You don't like it? Too bad! You are in a natural wolf's territory. It's not your land to decide who lives where whether you paid money for it or not.

[varmintslayer1]

What I mostly hate is the people who set loose wolves and claim no reponsibility for what they have done and then further insult the people affected by the wolves by denying what is happening.

[varmintslayer1]

Iwould never go to their neighborhood and set loose a bunch of wolves not knowing what they would do and without a plan of action to protect the people and their animals living there as well as thewolves.Instead they put our backs tothe wall.They wont let us live trap the wolves and then let them re-release the wolves again because they do not have the money in the budget to deal with them.They would rather we kill them and then villify us for doing it.Its a really crumby way that they operate.

[darkwulf73]

That is certainly rude. There ways of reintroducing and enforcing boudaries between human spaces and wolf spaces. They just don't have the budget. It's a lose lose situation for everyone, but I still stand in my opinion that wolves should be reintroduced to all of their old ranges.

[varmintslayer1]

Of course your welcome to your opinion, this is America after all. I do agree that there are ways of setting boundaries between people and wolves. The best way is to shoot the wolves while others are around so they see what happens and don't come back. I share my ranch with a lot of wildlife and everything pretty much gets along. Wolves will end up having a place here too, they just need training.

[Rockholm66]

No, there is no way to contain wolves to a so called boundary The idea that all we need to do is throw more money at it, is absurd. The re-introduction is the biggest lie perpetrated on the American people. The wolves introduced are a non native species, at 40% larger body mass. One wolf can take down a full grown healthy elk. The wolves that were here 80 years ago were much smaller, with much less impact on ungulates.

You will never know the truth, because you don't want to know it!

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Dip Shit!

That's because Europeans coming over here at the turn of the century wiped them out. WTF, you play video games too much!

They were reintroduced for numerous reasons, one is to bring back balance to the eco-system.

Tool

[BruceH59]

The eco system did just great without the wolves that is fact they are now wiping out ranchers livestock killing dogs right in children playgrounds and stalking the children that would be called reality. Try it some time instead of sitting on the computer all day. But since I have live with wolves made a documentary on wolves I might have a little more clue then a city fool.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

What a moron! And what, you only quote the toothless Rancher bullshit, because they are greedy.

I have hunted in the west, I hunt with real hunters, not hickle billies who have narrow views and haven't a clue about the eco-system. Only time a Rancher loses out on compensation is when he can't prove it was a wolf. If you are a rancher, answer this dip shit...How many head make it thru a winter?

You are an idiot and spreading lies won't make you right!

You are a joke Toothless wonder!

[BruceH59]

I guess you been to Amazon and order my film. You see that would show you have a clue about reality something you are truly lacking in your replies.

In my film you well meet several ranchers 1 that never receive one penny of compensation that would be called documented FACT not the hear say you are spreading.

You appear to be the bigot the way you hate anyone that show more knowledge then you child.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

Yea right, and this leg plays jingle bells'

The only filming you ever did is of you and your boyfriends sword fighting in your skirts freak!

For someone who supposedly is a film maker, you sure have a problem with grammar. What a tool!

You are a maggot and not worth the time or effort to educate toothless wonders like yourself.

Can't handle the truth so spread lies, wow, how new of a concept from ranchers.

God bless the decent ones who have open minds.

Funny, they have all their teeth too!

[BruceH59]

I never meet anyone as ingorant and totally clueless punk in my life. You are to unstable to own a gun. To immature to own a computer.

I have a film available at Amazon you have the mind of a narrow minded bigot skinhead. Wow your parents must be so proud of what a disgrace you have grown up to be .

You talk about my grammar LOL you sure are a simple mined little tiny troll.

[ChicagoIrishman1]

You are so full of shit!

You didn't make a documentary or talk to anyone. Go back to your nazi bitch meetings and leave research to people with brains.

Cock sucker!

[BIGSKYHAL50]

Good Video. DON'T LET THEM REINTRODUCE! As a native of Montana, I can tell you that we are having major problems with wolves now. They told us in the beginning that they would be in YNP, now they have spread far and wide, killing and maiming livestock as they go, much less depleating our elk and deer herds substantially. There seems to be no end in sight.....

[Shenkka]

They don't have any food... It's horrible. Now people can KILL them. It's our fault for introducing them...