This is so lovely..... BUT, if you want to hear this taken even up a notch from this level... find a recording of Fritz Wunderlich singing this aria.... It is pure heaven!
i like hearing a real tenor with ballsy sound sing even these light mozart arias. im not a big fan of the hooty tenor. i think pav does this beautifully. as far as to which aria is more difficult, i find il mio tesoro the trickier one to pull off well. the octave leap from A to A is very hard not to wipe on and even most great tenors sound poor on it. also all the runs and long phrases make it tricky. sustaining a quality F that lies right smack in the middle of the passagio is very hard.
Il Mio Tesoro has long been considered a tenor challenge. When I was young the controversy was whether any modern tenor could match McCormack or Jadlowker.
You misstate the controversy over the easy aria Dalla Sua pace. Some think it still isn't easy enough for young singers. Could be. It only goes up to a G and has easy fioratura but like Ferrando's aria it sits in the passagio. Young singers with faulty technique shouldn't try it.
Pavarotti sang the easier version of Fuori del Mar on the recording. It was said to have been too florid for him. Mozart wrote two versions - a difficult florid one and an easier one. This is just what he did with Il Mio Tesoro and Dalla Sua Pace. There is no Pavarotti version that I know of of Il Mio Tesoro. That's why I wonderd if he could sing it. Rocky Blake sang the hard version of Fuori and Big P sang the easy version. Pavaraotti of couse had a much prettier voice.
Mozart's Vienna troup contained two basses Francesco Bussani and Francesco Benucci. These were called basses at the time and are listed as basses in all the scores. The Vienna premiere Don is also listed as a bass in Groves. It is true that often modern baritones sing these parts. But so what? Originally Bussani sang both Commendatore and Masetto. Today it's the custom now to have the deepest available bass do the statue and a baritone Masetto. They are both bass roles in the score.
Mozart didn't hate tenors.You must be thinking of Richard Strauss. Mozart wrote 22+ operas. I have sung in Don Giovanni, Figaro, Abduction, Cosi, and Flute. Only Flute has true baritone role (Papageno). All but Figaro have big tenor roles. In the less well known operas like Idomeneo, Mitridate, Il Sogno, Lucilla Silla and La Clemenza the title role and biggest part is for the tenor. Even in Figaro which has only a comprimario tenor part Basilio was probaly the most famous singer in the cast.
Ich mag nicht, wie er singt. Es klingt nach Olivenöl und Pasta, nicht nach Salzburger Nockerln. Es ist kein bißchen Wiener Charme dabei. Super für Verdi, tödlich für Mozart.
@nnmakowska Aber Mozart war Salzburger und die Oper ist für die Burg geschrieben. Mozart wollte - mag die Sprache auch italienisch sein - auch einen eigenen Akzent in der Musik haben. Eben Wiener Charme - die Wiener mußten es ja mögen!
He really is one of the greatest tenors ever with a beautiful voice. However, This aria belongs to another Tenor who sings it perfectly. That Tenor is Gosta Winbergh. He is the perfect Don Ottavio. In my opinion considered the best Mozartian tenor along side Wunderlich. Search for it and see...Extroardinary.
Later composers wrote for a particular voice type {fach) but Mozart wrote for a particular singer. So we generally know the name of the singer for whom each aria was intended. Dalla Sua Pace was written for Frncesco Morella for the Vienna premiere because he couldn't sing the aria Il Mio Tesoro that had been written for the Prague premiere. So this aria like Deh Vieni non Tardar was written for a bad singer. Pavarotti was not a bad singer although I don't know if he could handle Il Mio Tesoro.
@Agorante - I've heard that account and I don't believe it. Now in the opera world this aria is considered much more difficult than Il Mio Tesoro, in fact, it's considered to be one of the most difficult arias in light tenor repertoire! Now the story I read was that the tenor was pissed that there was only one aria for him (Mozart didn't care for tenors) and he wanted another one, which seems reasonable. What tenor wants to do a role with just one aria, and a boring one at that?
I didn't make up that "account". I am quoting from Groves. It is also in the Einstein biography of Mozart. Where did you get the idea that Mozart didn't like tenors? Most operas only have one aria for the tenor (Aida, Boheme, Carmen, Forza, Barber, Faust, etc.). Who considers Dalla Sua Pace harder than Il Mio Tesoro? Who thinks Il Mio Tesoro is boring? I mean besides you.
@Agorante - I didn't say you made up the story, I said I've heard it before and it doesn't make sense. Everyone (every tenor) knows Dalla Sua Pace is a more difficult aria to sing, if not the most difficult aria for a light tenor. Il mio tesoro is similar to Handel's Messiah, and all tenors knew how to sing that at the time. And Il mio tesoro is basically one long,boring, vocalise, but again, Mozart was very vocal about his dislike for tenors- and almost all of his operas favor baritones.
@Agorante haha you're funny. of course he could handle it. that other guy is right too, by the way, this is the harder aria. just because something is "simpler" does not mean it is less difficult! that's why you have supposedly great artists who can't sing any mozart for shit! it's much harder to sing simpler melodies well because it takes much more thought and focus than it does for more "amusing" melodies/runs
Well, certainly not the "classic" way of singing Mozart (if there is one anyhow), however: Who can challenge his sound? Not many, I guess. And even quite a good style, considering his repertoire. By the way, for this aria I do like Winbergh very much.
Actually I didn't think it was all that bad. I enjoyed it, no he wasn't a great Mozart tenor. But this is fine, he sounds young here, when was this early 1970s?
Well don't sing arias yet then! Try art songs - Tosti and the like. Great for development. Just because Mozart arias don't tend to get to very high pitches doesn't mean they are easy.
I find it an original, inspired, extremely intelligent interpretation! Not your standard Mozarteian singing, but I find it very inspiring. Lucianone, we miss you...
The first time I listened to this it struck me as being a little ugly. On the second listen I became impressed with the naturalness of his interpritation. Pavarotti is a great example of a tenor who sings without fetters. He doesn't get carried away, nor is he in the least bit shy.
This pisses me off. Just when you think you have found aria he hasn't made famous or done perfectly, someone finds a recording of it. Leave some arias for the rest of us!
@MrGOPERA Know exactly what you mean - singing this later this week in a recital for my Degree - thought I'd got something only Gigli had done, but nope, he's sung it too.
@MrGOPERA Luciano Pavarotti was a gift to us with his music. I only wish he had lived long enough to sing every aria because I welcome the gift of bel canto, even if it isn't sung by me.
I find this an amazing luxury version of the aria with a voice of preternatural beauty.
The only excuse I find for people not liking it, is too many preconceptions of so-called mozartean voices who sometimes tend to be thin as they tend to have easy coloratura.
As long as the voice moves and the intonation is clean I find nothing wrong with a warmer sound in Mozart... Much more, I rather welcome it!
I agree this is not bad... certainly not as bad as his rendition of un'aura amorosa, a pure disaster according to me... But still, I think you have a misconception of what is a leggiero tenor... a light voice is not necessarily thin, small and powerless. Listen to Leopold Simoneau singing this, a perfect example ; his voice is indeed light, but so rich in colour and texture, and which really fits my definition of "warm". Obviously, it's a matter of taste, but tell me what you think about him !
I know Simoneau well and I can only agree that leggiero needn't mean colorless by no means!
Yet, I don't find Pavarotti that heavy a voice to have thought it as impossible to have him sing Mozart.
I think his spontaneous musicianship and clean line could serve Mozart just fine. I do like his Un'aura too.
It shows that he has not sung the part as he is mainly concerned with the musical line and basics of interpretation, but he could have done it. Well, better he didn't... How much can one do!
I agree with you that he is indeed really musical in this aria. In his un'aura, that's something else... I personnally think he's taking it way to fast, and doesn't take enough time to express musical feeling. But I think it doesn't sound as natural as it is when sung by a leggiero tenor, or when he sings Puccini or Verdi, and I agree he is one of the best in this kind of repertoire. Well, everyone has strenghts and weaknesses...
@leoperarm I will rate this for you,I do believe this is the most beautiful voice that the existence of man will ever produce-that being said I don't believe the rating scale goes up high enough to do this justice-PEACE
when was this recorded?
MariaCallasLegend 3 months ago
His voice is not right for this aria, and the sound is lousy...
cheradinine8 4 months ago
This is so lovely..... BUT, if you want to hear this taken even up a notch from this level... find a recording of Fritz Wunderlich singing this aria.... It is pure heaven!
cocoagirl61660 5 months ago
Luciano From Heaven through Mozart Music!!What can I say?Paradise!!!!
MariaCallasLegend 6 months ago 2
NO! NO! Luciano, please, leave Mozart alone! Give me Alva or Simoneau any time.
MrZeitun 8 months ago
Thank you for this beautiful aria. Magnifique.
shantibel 9 months ago
Thank you for this beautiful aria.
shantibel 9 months ago
The sound is not very good!
cristiborcea100 10 months ago
Dalla sua pace la mia dipende;
Quel che a lei piace vita mi rende,
Quel che le incresce morte mi dà.
S'ella sospira, sospiro anch'io;
È mia quell'ira, quel pianto è mio;
E non ho bene, s'ella non l'ha
JIMY45GR 1 year ago 3
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opera is stooooooopiiiiiiiiiiddd
BlueSkies910 1 year ago
oh yea i forgot ... un'aura amorosa is worse than both difficulty wise =/ and i rate this version by pavarotti 10/10 =)
bigus 1 year ago
i like hearing a real tenor with ballsy sound sing even these light mozart arias. im not a big fan of the hooty tenor. i think pav does this beautifully. as far as to which aria is more difficult, i find il mio tesoro the trickier one to pull off well. the octave leap from A to A is very hard not to wipe on and even most great tenors sound poor on it. also all the runs and long phrases make it tricky. sustaining a quality F that lies right smack in the middle of the passagio is very hard.
bigus 1 year ago
very bad sound!
egooidios1 1 year ago
Il Mio Tesoro has long been considered a tenor challenge. When I was young the controversy was whether any modern tenor could match McCormack or Jadlowker.
You misstate the controversy over the easy aria Dalla Sua pace. Some think it still isn't easy enough for young singers. Could be. It only goes up to a G and has easy fioratura but like Ferrando's aria it sits in the passagio. Young singers with faulty technique shouldn't try it.
It's not me who says is is easier - it's Mozart.
Agorante 1 year ago
Pavarotti sang the easier version of Fuori del Mar on the recording. It was said to have been too florid for him. Mozart wrote two versions - a difficult florid one and an easier one. This is just what he did with Il Mio Tesoro and Dalla Sua Pace. There is no Pavarotti version that I know of of Il Mio Tesoro. That's why I wonderd if he could sing it. Rocky Blake sang the hard version of Fuori and Big P sang the easy version. Pavaraotti of couse had a much prettier voice.
Agorante 1 year ago
Mozart's Vienna troup contained two basses Francesco Bussani and Francesco Benucci. These were called basses at the time and are listed as basses in all the scores. The Vienna premiere Don is also listed as a bass in Groves. It is true that often modern baritones sing these parts. But so what? Originally Bussani sang both Commendatore and Masetto. Today it's the custom now to have the deepest available bass do the statue and a baritone Masetto. They are both bass roles in the score.
Agorante 1 year ago
Mozart didn't hate tenors.You must be thinking of Richard Strauss. Mozart wrote 22+ operas. I have sung in Don Giovanni, Figaro, Abduction, Cosi, and Flute. Only Flute has true baritone role (Papageno). All but Figaro have big tenor roles. In the less well known operas like Idomeneo, Mitridate, Il Sogno, Lucilla Silla and La Clemenza the title role and biggest part is for the tenor. Even in Figaro which has only a comprimario tenor part Basilio was probaly the most famous singer in the cast.
Agorante 1 year ago 2
Would still sooner hear him sing it than Mingo (where's the Do?).
VinylToVideo 1 year ago
bravo!
Vincenzo2010an 1 year ago
tempo to fast...
alexninko 1 year ago
The man is amazing, but this makes Mozart sound like Verdi...not good.
AustinShowen 1 year ago
this man is number one and will always be number one thank u for the video add RIP MY FRIEND SING FOR THE ANGELS NOW
turksuckballsgyot 1 year ago
Dalla sua pace la mia dipende;
Quel che a lei piace vita mi rende,
Quel che le incresce morte mi dà.
S'ella sospira, sospiro anch'io;
È mia quell'ira, quel pianto è mio;
E non ho bene, s'ella non l'ha.
LarghettoCantabile 1 year ago
meraviglioso...mi da delle emozioni che mai ho provato....
himrien 1 year ago
Ich mag nicht, wie er singt. Es klingt nach Olivenöl und Pasta, nicht nach Salzburger Nockerln. Es ist kein bißchen Wiener Charme dabei. Super für Verdi, tödlich für Mozart.
Baccalaureus79 1 year ago
@Baccalaureus79 W i e n e r Charme? Don Ottavio ist doch ein Spanier!
nnmakowska 1 year ago
@nnmakowska Aber Mozart war Salzburger und die Oper ist für die Burg geschrieben. Mozart wollte - mag die Sprache auch italienisch sein - auch einen eigenen Akzent in der Musik haben. Eben Wiener Charme - die Wiener mußten es ja mögen!
Baccalaureus79 1 year ago
He really is one of the greatest tenors ever with a beautiful voice. However, This aria belongs to another Tenor who sings it perfectly. That Tenor is Gosta Winbergh. He is the perfect Don Ottavio. In my opinion considered the best Mozartian tenor along side Wunderlich. Search for it and see...Extroardinary.
masterclassful 1 year ago
Trovo che qui la voce fresca,limpida e giovanile di Pavarotti si addica molto bene al personaggio di Don Ottavio.
F93HD2 2 years ago
@F93HD2 spot on!
cornificius22vain 2 years ago
Later composers wrote for a particular voice type {fach) but Mozart wrote for a particular singer. So we generally know the name of the singer for whom each aria was intended. Dalla Sua Pace was written for Frncesco Morella for the Vienna premiere because he couldn't sing the aria Il Mio Tesoro that had been written for the Prague premiere. So this aria like Deh Vieni non Tardar was written for a bad singer. Pavarotti was not a bad singer although I don't know if he could handle Il Mio Tesoro.
Agorante 2 years ago
@Agorante - I've heard that account and I don't believe it. Now in the opera world this aria is considered much more difficult than Il Mio Tesoro, in fact, it's considered to be one of the most difficult arias in light tenor repertoire! Now the story I read was that the tenor was pissed that there was only one aria for him (Mozart didn't care for tenors) and he wanted another one, which seems reasonable. What tenor wants to do a role with just one aria, and a boring one at that?
mofofosho13 1 year ago
@mofofosho13
I didn't make up that "account". I am quoting from Groves. It is also in the Einstein biography of Mozart. Where did you get the idea that Mozart didn't like tenors? Most operas only have one aria for the tenor (Aida, Boheme, Carmen, Forza, Barber, Faust, etc.). Who considers Dalla Sua Pace harder than Il Mio Tesoro? Who thinks Il Mio Tesoro is boring? I mean besides you.
Agorante 1 year ago
@Agorante - I didn't say you made up the story, I said I've heard it before and it doesn't make sense. Everyone (every tenor) knows Dalla Sua Pace is a more difficult aria to sing, if not the most difficult aria for a light tenor. Il mio tesoro is similar to Handel's Messiah, and all tenors knew how to sing that at the time. And Il mio tesoro is basically one long,boring, vocalise, but again, Mozart was very vocal about his dislike for tenors- and almost all of his operas favor baritones.
mofofosho13 1 year ago
@Agorante haha you're funny. of course he could handle it. that other guy is right too, by the way, this is the harder aria. just because something is "simpler" does not mean it is less difficult! that's why you have supposedly great artists who can't sing any mozart for shit! it's much harder to sing simpler melodies well because it takes much more thought and focus than it does for more "amusing" melodies/runs
devastaticon 1 year ago
please listen to Maestro Luigi Alva.He is ideal Don Ottavio
MegaBreez 2 years ago 12
Please listen to Réti József! What's your oppinion about ideal Don Ottavio?
zol040 2 years ago
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minasgekos 1 year ago
@MegaBreez no... The real Don Ottavio should've been F. Wunderlich but unfortunately he was German, and so he sung this in German...
minasgekos 1 year ago
@minasgekos youtube.com/watch?v=X1qysxLA9OQ&feature=related
Gunnifunz 9 months ago
@MegaBreez no, Jerry Hadley is :D
seektheforce 1 year ago
Well, certainly not the "classic" way of singing Mozart (if there is one anyhow), however: Who can challenge his sound? Not many, I guess. And even quite a good style, considering his repertoire. By the way, for this aria I do like Winbergh very much.
oergs 2 years ago
Actually I didn't think it was all that bad. I enjoyed it, no he wasn't a great Mozart tenor. But this is fine, he sounds young here, when was this early 1970s?
GermanOperaSinger 2 years ago
Fantastico...
but why is it transposed a half tone higher?
the original key is g major, not a flat.
schuberthomas 2 years ago
It's actually easier to sing up a halfstep, because most of the aria lies right from D-G normally, right in the tenor passaggio
phantom8472 2 years ago
For my level of training, it's great in the original key. Once I get above G the notes are pretty chancy ;P
aaronsande 2 years ago
Well don't sing arias yet then! Try art songs - Tosti and the like. Great for development. Just because Mozart arias don't tend to get to very high pitches doesn't mean they are easy.
colino72 2 years ago 2
True enough...
aaronsande 2 years ago
He is singing it in G, at least according to the piano at college I'm standing in front of.
DragTas 2 years ago
That's impossible....or maybe it's the only piano at 475 instead of 440Hz you're standing in front of:)
schuberthomas 2 years ago
What a man...
What a performance...
It's great to hear him sing Don Ottavio.
We miss you...
ikomaceo 2 years ago 2
never in my life have I heard him do Mozart
mantiXcore 2 years ago 2
I find it an original, inspired, extremely intelligent interpretation! Not your standard Mozarteian singing, but I find it very inspiring. Lucianone, we miss you...
latonella 2 years ago 3
This has inspired me to go practice right now. Only problem is I want to sing this aria and I'm a soprano... I LOVE YOU LUCIANO.
Albaloo292 2 years ago 5
Bravissimo Luciano,bravissimo!!!
dieguitolp 2 years ago 2
The first time I listened to this it struck me as being a little ugly. On the second listen I became impressed with the naturalness of his interpritation. Pavarotti is a great example of a tenor who sings without fetters. He doesn't get carried away, nor is he in the least bit shy.
alleycat2571 2 years ago
I though he never performed this, it's wonderful to find it, i'm so happy!!!!
ernestgye 2 years ago 2
This pisses me off. Just when you think you have found aria he hasn't made famous or done perfectly, someone finds a recording of it. Leave some arias for the rest of us!
MrGOPERA 2 years ago 16
there are alot left yet hahahaha try to repeat this good rendition, Mozart would love him in this hahaha
egymagyar1111111 2 years ago
@MrGOPERA Know exactly what you mean - singing this later this week in a recital for my Degree - thought I'd got something only Gigli had done, but nope, he's sung it too.
tombaker1222 1 year ago
@MrGOPERA He has never done le crois entendre encore by Bizet
Arfat 1 year ago
@MrGOPERA Luciano Pavarotti was a gift to us with his music. I only wish he had lived long enough to sing every aria because I welcome the gift of bel canto, even if it isn't sung by me.
Megacaw 1 year ago 2
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Megacaw 1 year ago
@MrGOPERA well..perfectly? 'tis wonderful, but he does not quite respect the score, & even changes the notes here and there.
cornificius22vain 1 year ago
@MrGOPERA Lol why get pissed? Not like he was Caruso.
seektheforce 1 year ago
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
lovellcau 2 years ago 3
When was this recorded?
justindgonzalez 3 years ago
I find this an amazing luxury version of the aria with a voice of preternatural beauty.
The only excuse I find for people not liking it, is too many preconceptions of so-called mozartean voices who sometimes tend to be thin as they tend to have easy coloratura.
As long as the voice moves and the intonation is clean I find nothing wrong with a warmer sound in Mozart... Much more, I rather welcome it!
CONTESTAR 3 years ago 5
I agree this is not bad... certainly not as bad as his rendition of un'aura amorosa, a pure disaster according to me... But still, I think you have a misconception of what is a leggiero tenor... a light voice is not necessarily thin, small and powerless. Listen to Leopold Simoneau singing this, a perfect example ; his voice is indeed light, but so rich in colour and texture, and which really fits my definition of "warm". Obviously, it's a matter of taste, but tell me what you think about him !
tenor9216 2 years ago
I know Simoneau well and I can only agree that leggiero needn't mean colorless by no means!
Yet, I don't find Pavarotti that heavy a voice to have thought it as impossible to have him sing Mozart.
I think his spontaneous musicianship and clean line could serve Mozart just fine. I do like his Un'aura too.
It shows that he has not sung the part as he is mainly concerned with the musical line and basics of interpretation, but he could have done it. Well, better he didn't... How much can one do!
CONTESTAR 2 years ago
I agree with you that he is indeed really musical in this aria. In his un'aura, that's something else... I personnally think he's taking it way to fast, and doesn't take enough time to express musical feeling. But I think it doesn't sound as natural as it is when sung by a leggiero tenor, or when he sings Puccini or Verdi, and I agree he is one of the best in this kind of repertoire. Well, everyone has strenghts and weaknesses...
tenor9216 2 years ago
beautiful Luciano i love all about him, i just love him so much. bravo.
loveluciano1 3 years ago 3
may I ask the people who like it to please rate? Thank You^^
leoperarm 3 years ago 5
@leoperarm I will rate this for you,I do believe this is the most beautiful voice that the existence of man will ever produce-that being said I don't believe the rating scale goes up high enough to do this justice-PEACE
cccorsetti 2 months ago
I know he's the greatest, but I hate the way he sings Mozart.
theCommenteer 3 years ago
I KNOW! You'd think it was Puccini, with all those swoops and strangely covered notes.
forallyouknow 2 years ago