Mind is a separate entity, like an ocean full of waves, always full of thought waves. The weird fact is that in this state you have no control over it. When we were infants, mind was under our control but when we grow up we lose this control without us even knowing it. Mind becomes a wild horse. The best way suggested by ancient Indian gurus from thousands of years ago was to meditate. Let the wild horse run around until it's too tired. At one point mind waves will stop then you can gain control
its like uhm... everybody tells that its there, and what it potentially can do... But nobody ever tells how you can effectivly train it or even remotly describe techniques to attain these higher conciousness!
The body can exist without a brain and continue living sustained by machines or energy, but the brain requires vibration to survive, hence it needs a body naturally. It needs to move so when you move yourself (physical excercise) you stimulate your ability to enhance your consciousness. When you have a thought (positive or negative) it creates a vibration in the brain that effects everything else around it. If you adhere to the hologram theory, the vibration the brain sends out directly
I like "Vibrometer" with the "r"... It has a better ring to me. What do you all think?
William is so brilliantly cutting edge. He's a great 21st century Avatar himself, with a clear mission to help train the avatars in us all; and I applaud him. Bravo! Thank you so much for sharing this.(((❤))) Bless your heart(s).
@Redcaster916 Yes, what about him? Are you sure he is real? He may not be. He might have been a composite person put together by Constantine, to be the 'savior' of his new religion of Christianity. Anyway, we don't need him. We have the Father, who is all powerful and self-sufficient..
@buzzin1975 Sure, And everything in Buddhism is a part of Vedanta and has been mentioned in the Vedas.. Btw, I don't believe in a creator of the universe or something like that, I just find these as fascinating philosophies.. Just wanted to fill you in, since I've done some extensive reading on these and some meditation
@haribharadwaj1 I've been practicing Advaita Vedanta for 30 years. Everyone knows Buddhism is a bastard religion from Hinduism. And Hinduism is more than 8,000 years old.
@buzzin1975 completely absurd statement, buddhism is not a monotheistic, not a polytheistic religion, nor it is atheistic. as such, it has no correlation with the beliefs of hinduism. maybe you ought to practice a bit harder...and how old a religion is it's utterly irrelevant
@fabsternyc Dipshit, are you Indian? If not, shut the fuck up! I am Indian, and all white people are full of shit. This is my religion, my culture, and my ancestry, not yours. I'll fucking kill you with my bare hands if you fucking reply.
@buzzin1975 - racist moron, nothing in this life is YOURS....you were born into this life with nothing, and you will leave it with nothing. Your religion, your culture, your ancestry is not yours at all...it was given to you and it will exist long after you are gone. Don't be an idiot!
@bitphr3ak Really, I was born into this life with nothing? You mean people are born without parents? Dipshit. My religion, culture, and ancestry are mine, my parents, and my ancestors. It's genetically given to me. You have your own dipshit culture. Go follow it.
@buzzin1975 - lol, you don't own your culture you ass clown, your culture own you....you are a mental slave to the ideologies you've been brainwashed with.
"Every facet, every department of your mind, needs to be programmed by you. And unless you assume your rightful responsibility and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you!"
Clearly you are a sheep! Go flock yourself! Asshole!
You can make an instrument to measure all kinds of things. We cannot know the significance of any EM energy flow. Religious people often erroneously associate events as confirmation of their faith. That is what this techie is doing with science. He is a professor at Stanford Uni and he comes out with mumbo jumbo.
I'm just on the path and offering no absolutes here. Quieting the mind is ultimately the way to allowing for the emergence of eternal spirit and love in this reality. Tiller's is a vital science, what we should be researching! But even her would surely agree that human leadership in thought is always finite. We may want to explore the Prophets, from Buddha to Bahá'u'lláh, Founders of civilization, who carry a message from the unknowable Essence.
Just on a path. This is a vital science, what we should be researching! But Tiller would surely agree that human leadership in thought is always finite. We may want to explore the Prophets, as well, from Buddha to Bahá'u'lláh. No matter what the age or background it is a matter of quieting the mind and releasing "noise" and negativity. Our true being is always there as if waiting to be allowed in. The habits and memories of the bodily experience dissuade us from carrying through.
@trakomako I think seeking and finding true god/love in our own lives is taking ultimate responsibility for ourselves... and nobody grabbed me by the nose
If you watch "what the bleep do we know" where he gives more insight he says along with most of the other scientists/philosophers that Quantum physics places responsibility directly on the person doing/creating. For example if you constantly put yourself down or have a shitty view of your existence it's your own damn fault for not changing your view. He and the rest of them don't even mention believing in "god" at least the kind of God most people worship.
I enjoyed William Tiller's presentation demonstrating a spiritual reality in which a member of a Ba'hai religion who was a Psychologist had the unusal ability to influence pictures that a oldfashion browie box camera produced . This was presented in Emotial Freedom Technique training which intentionality was discussed..
We have conjectural, corss-cultural evidence, don't we? And this vidoe seems to hint to the notion's validity.
There are 4 bodies corss-culturally reported in various meditative and mysical traditions: gross or physical, subtle (energetic, dreams, thoughts, emotions, a lot else), causal (bliss, extremely subtle body, emptiness), and nondual that is all of these simultaneously. These are objective features and patterns of an otherwise subjective experience.
i would love to believe you,.,.,. but where is the proof?,... moreover there are many cultures where they believe that we have 6 subtle bodies,... and they experience 6 of them.... so we experience whatever we believe... same goes with the chakras inside,... some say there are 5 some say there are 7.... and they experience similarly....
There are differences between states and structures of consciousness. The bodies of which I speak are what are responsible for or related to waking, dreaming and deep dreamless sleep. The number itself is quite irrelevant. It may be that what some call bodies are, at least some of these, one body viewed from different states of consciousness. But the similarities cross-culturally are mostly in the sequence of the states of: bodily awareness, energetic awareness, emptiness, and nondual.
but how do you know???... and we can alter the states of consciousness by using various drugs.... we can even turn of the consciousness,.. by chemicals..... i think consciousness is just the by product of the brain.... because it cannot exist otherwise....
In daoism, there are only 3 energy centers, and these correspond quite neatly to the 'sacral', 'heart' and 'third eye' chakra. In kundalini yoga, the energy is at first sensed to be coming from the lowest part to the spine unto the crown of the head, but in daoism, the energy goes in a circle. There are variations to these descriptions that hint to a common ground for these experiences.
There are two kind of ways to 'prove' subtle energies: objective and subjective.
The numbers aren't that important, but the sequence from physical awareness to energetic awareness to causal emptiness awareness to nondual, is quite universal. Mastery of psycal awareness can lead to nature mysticism, mastery of energetic awareness leads to a mastery in for example in qi gong and pranayama, and mastery of causal emptiness is what formless mysticism is all about, and nondual mysticism is what daoism and buddhism are 'famous' for.
There is no subject without object. In a state of blissful emptiness, there is a sheath of extremely subtle energy available. There is no body without mind. In subtle body, there also is subtle experience and thoughts and images and quite convincing realities, such as dreams. In gross body, there too is experience, as distinct but one with the physical body, depsite what the thoughts think.
May be these energies exist... i dont know.....But do you believe that consciousness exists independently of the bain,? and that it continues to exist even after the brain stops working?
I don't think consciousness exists separately from the brain. The brain is the seat of consciousness. Consciousness and the brain are not synonmyous, but without the brain, yes there would not be experience of one's suuroundings. But conscious experience takes place within one's lifetime not just in the 5 senses, but also in one's mind's eye, so to speak, as dreams, as meditative states. The exact relationship between the brain and consciousness is not know for certain.
then how can you be so sure about the subtle bodies, and subtle energies so, ?.... Because they can be just the altered states of consciousness,.... created by chemicals of our brain....
States of consciousness are not just about brain chemicals, but more about brainwave frequencies that are in correlation but not synonymous with the actual first person experience. The causal emptiness and bliss takes place in delta brainwave states, very similar to dreamless sleep, but awareness is available. Brainwaves have been correlated with the interior states of consciousness. The bodies are most succinctly 'expressed' as waking, dreaming and deep sleep.
The objectivity in first person experience seems to be that there is a sequenciality to the states of consciousness that become permanent traits. The subjectivity is the impressions and feelings and sensations gathered. as for any devices gathering data about such energies, biofeedback machines can be taken as a partial proof that these energies and bodies exists and cab be accessed perhaps only by the 1st person perspective.
Brain states are not the same as states of consciousness, even though they can be correlated. Brain chemicals also contribute to the change of states of consciousness. Subtle bodies and energies are revelaed by changing brain states, and the bodies' existance can be verified in one's own first person awareness. There are 3 perspectives that all must be taken into account when it comes to understanding subtle energies and such: 1st, 2nd and 3rd person perspectives.
i am trying to get your point but still there are a lot of problems. Saying that subtle bodies exist because people experience them, is like saying that the ghosts exist because people experience them. I dont know much of neurology, but i do believe that consciousness is caused by the brain activity, it arises out of the complexity of the neurons, and that the altered states of consciousness are nothing but hallucinations due to imbalance of the chemicals in our head.
Experiences of subtle energies can be repeated. Subtle energies are not synonymous with electromagnetical energy, but perhaps correlation between these is revealed in the future. BTW, hallucinations are not the same as visualizations, and altered states of consciousness are also not hallucinations. Clinical insanity is not the same as a spiritual revelation. Even atoms could have a kind of awareness, called prehension. We do not have the language to translate most about consciousness.
The experiences of subtle energies can only be repeated if you believe them. Not otherwise.
There is no such thing as "spiritual revelation" in neurology or medical science. You made that thing up by yourself. And where is the "spirit" which you talk about?..
"The experiences of subtle energies can only be repeated if you believe them. Not otherwise." Counter-examples: orgasm, car crash, neard death experience, love, states of consciousness that children can be in (confirmed by brainwave imaging, children have a lot more delta brainwaves during waking state, which makes their waking state rather different to ours, plus children that have imagination, create art, visualizations).
Spirit has no location, the same as energy has no location.
Again the orgasm, or the car crash ,or near death experience, love, etc etc etc,..... are not the experiences of subtle energies. And studies have shown that these experiences too are created by the electrochemical impulses in our head. Because they have a striking correlation with brain activity.
You can go on believing that you are in some other world when you are in love,,... but in reality it is an illusion created by the neurons.
I do not believe I am in another world in any of these states of consciousness. I think the truth is pointed to - both in first (subjective, but with repeatable patterns), second (cultural, hermeneutics, translation) and third person views (objective science). Exclusion of any of these simply cuts off another avenue of knowledge. No metaphysics is required for science. Materialism is based on metaphysical suppositions.
Consciousness exists as the physical body, as the other bodies. Consciousness has never been separate. Separation can be considered a game. Consciousness is inherent to matter, but not a distinct property of matter, because matter itself lacks a concrete definition, because there isn't much to compare it to. While matter is energy, consciousness is both and also neither. As for the paradoxicality of this sentence, one can find the same in quantum mechanics and theories of relativity.
One last thing.Belief has not a very big role to play when it comes to the change to an 'altered' state of consciousness. Hypnotic states, dreams and hallucinative states seem to be the most affected by belief, while meditative states are the least accessible by belief, instead by concentration exercises that involve breathing and sometimes bodily motion. As for the mentioning of orgasm,near-death and other state-inducing situations,I mentioned these to point out that belief alone is nothing.
Zero point energy is that energy which exists everywhere, even at the room and at distance universe, one day we will use this energy and will be able to travel another galaxy
@pendoraprince I'm sorry that is just not correct at all. Zero point energy is a theoretical very low energy state of possible photons way below the radio wave energy for atoms at near rest (zero Kelvin). It is hypothesised that if an atom was really at zero energy then the electrons would fall into the protons and end up as neutrons. If it doesn't happen then the electrons must have some tiny orbital energy to prevent this happening. That is zero point energy.
I call an end to this conversation. Both our views seem to have been exposed and explored. I think the discussion is over. I have not much left to contribute. I'm amazed at what you have subscribed to on youtube - various spiritual gurus, and I like the fact that you have some Osho-related material in there. Subtle energies are an open subject to many consciousness reseearchers. An integral (whole) perspective seeks to acknowledge first, second and third person perspectives, as a science.
I hope you're not ignoring the cross-cultural evidence of the similarities between various mystical traditions. I'm not asking you to believe that there is spirit as separate from matter, but I think one can be reasonably convinced that spirit and matter are in a nondual relationship, meaning that there is only artificial separation on the physical or gross level. In the subtle leve, information seems to travel circularily. In causal, it is point-like, and in nondual, it is radial.
What blissful emptiness?... sheath of energy? what energy? ,.... "There is no body without mind"---- that is a pretty bold statement. But how can there be no body without mind?..... I think that there can be no mind without the fuckin body. ......What are you trying to say here?
There is no mind without body. If there is a body, there must be some kind of a mind, What causes consciousness, is not objectively certain. Emergence of consciousness due to complexity is just one possibility, and there are more unanswered questions that answered questions.
I finally found proof that telekinesis does exist! come check out this video i discovered, believe me, this video was hard to find, it some how leaked out in website that no one knows about and i got it right before they could delete it. so tell me what you think, hope you like it! :)
A.I is coming!!!! whaa
hejjagheterpal 4 months ago
I love Bill!
smallpotatoes989 5 months ago
I'm afraid that this is just an esoteric ideology and pseudo-science.
MrOlivaw 8 months ago
would this be God?
Tonithenightowl 8 months ago
@trakomako
Is that a small unit ?
3877michael 10 months ago
The sound=The musical note, D
vivianlippens 10 months ago
The musical note is D
vivianlippens 10 months ago
Mind is a separate entity, like an ocean full of waves, always full of thought waves. The weird fact is that in this state you have no control over it. When we were infants, mind was under our control but when we grow up we lose this control without us even knowing it. Mind becomes a wild horse. The best way suggested by ancient Indian gurus from thousands of years ago was to meditate. Let the wild horse run around until it's too tired. At one point mind waves will stop then you can gain control
tjxkid 10 months ago
Although I love the mans work and thoughts, his vibe-meter awfully reminds me of scientology..
davidwalder 11 months ago
its like uhm... everybody tells that its there, and what it potentially can do... But nobody ever tells how you can effectivly train it or even remotly describe techniques to attain these higher conciousness!
Loupland 11 months ago
@Loupland Meditate ! Focus !
tjxkid 10 months ago
The body can exist without a brain and continue living sustained by machines or energy, but the brain requires vibration to survive, hence it needs a body naturally. It needs to move so when you move yourself (physical excercise) you stimulate your ability to enhance your consciousness. When you have a thought (positive or negative) it creates a vibration in the brain that effects everything else around it. If you adhere to the hologram theory, the vibration the brain sends out directly
chaucer44 1 year ago
I like "Vibrometer" with the "r"... It has a better ring to me. What do you all think?
William is so brilliantly cutting edge. He's a great 21st century Avatar himself, with a clear mission to help train the avatars in us all; and I applaud him. Bravo! Thank you so much for sharing this.(((❤))) Bless your heart(s).
Positive777 1 year ago
@Positive777 ..ew
TWENTYFO5 1 year ago
Does anyone know how to buy this biofeedback machine or "vibometer" as he calls it?
AndyO1987 1 year ago
@trakomako Don't walk into a wall, you will break your nose.
k0smon 1 year ago
but what about Jesus?
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Yes, what about him? Are you sure he is real? He may not be. He might have been a composite person put together by Constantine, to be the 'savior' of his new religion of Christianity. Anyway, we don't need him. We have the Father, who is all powerful and self-sufficient..
k0smon 1 year ago
@k0smon I said it as a joke......I'm not religious at all, I'm all about open mind and less organized religions.
Redcaster916 1 year ago
@Redcaster916 Jesus was Buddhist
buzzin1975 1 year ago
@buzzin1975 Sure, And everything in Buddhism is a part of Vedanta and has been mentioned in the Vedas.. Btw, I don't believe in a creator of the universe or something like that, I just find these as fascinating philosophies.. Just wanted to fill you in, since I've done some extensive reading on these and some meditation
haribharadwaj1 1 year ago
@haribharadwaj1 I've been practicing Advaita Vedanta for 30 years. Everyone knows Buddhism is a bastard religion from Hinduism. And Hinduism is more than 8,000 years old.
buzzin1975 9 months ago
@buzzin1975 completely absurd statement, buddhism is not a monotheistic, not a polytheistic religion, nor it is atheistic. as such, it has no correlation with the beliefs of hinduism. maybe you ought to practice a bit harder...and how old a religion is it's utterly irrelevant
fabsternyc 8 months ago
@fabsternyc Dipshit, are you Indian? If not, shut the fuck up! I am Indian, and all white people are full of shit. This is my religion, my culture, and my ancestry, not yours. I'll fucking kill you with my bare hands if you fucking reply.
buzzin1975 8 months ago
@buzzin1975 - racist moron, nothing in this life is YOURS....you were born into this life with nothing, and you will leave it with nothing. Your religion, your culture, your ancestry is not yours at all...it was given to you and it will exist long after you are gone. Don't be an idiot!
bitphr3ak 6 months ago
@bitphr3ak Really, I was born into this life with nothing? You mean people are born without parents? Dipshit. My religion, culture, and ancestry are mine, my parents, and my ancestors. It's genetically given to me. You have your own dipshit culture. Go follow it.
buzzin1975 6 months ago
@buzzin1975 - lol, you don't own your culture you ass clown, your culture own you....you are a mental slave to the ideologies you've been brainwashed with.
"Every facet, every department of your mind, needs to be programmed by you. And unless you assume your rightful responsibility and begin to program your own mind, the world will program it for you!"
Clearly you are a sheep! Go flock yourself! Asshole!
bitphr3ak 6 months ago
@buzzin1975 everyones a buddhist, they just dont know it.
ogfunk187 9 months ago
You can make an instrument to measure all kinds of things. We cannot know the significance of any EM energy flow. Religious people often erroneously associate events as confirmation of their faith. That is what this techie is doing with science. He is a professor at Stanford Uni and he comes out with mumbo jumbo.
wwwLookman 1 year ago
Wonderful, excellent!
utku67 1 year ago
I'm just on the path and offering no absolutes here. Quieting the mind is ultimately the way to allowing for the emergence of eternal spirit and love in this reality. Tiller's is a vital science, what we should be researching! But even her would surely agree that human leadership in thought is always finite. We may want to explore the Prophets, from Buddha to Bahá'u'lláh, Founders of civilization, who carry a message from the unknowable Essence.
holobody 1 year ago
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Just on a path. This is a vital science, what we should be researching! But Tiller would surely agree that human leadership in thought is always finite. We may want to explore the Prophets, as well, from Buddha to Bahá'u'lláh. No matter what the age or background it is a matter of quieting the mind and releasing "noise" and negativity. Our true being is always there as if waiting to be allowed in. The habits and memories of the bodily experience dissuade us from carrying through.
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holobody 1 year ago
@trakomako I think seeking and finding true god/love in our own lives is taking ultimate responsibility for ourselves... and nobody grabbed me by the nose
winston944 1 year ago
If anything he is saying that WE are Gods. WE are the ones in control. As he said in WTBDWK "WE ARE RUNNING THE HOLODECK"
BurningHeretics 1 year ago
If you watch "what the bleep do we know" where he gives more insight he says along with most of the other scientists/philosophers that Quantum physics places responsibility directly on the person doing/creating. For example if you constantly put yourself down or have a shitty view of your existence it's your own damn fault for not changing your view. He and the rest of them don't even mention believing in "god" at least the kind of God most people worship.
BurningHeretics 1 year ago
why is he telling lies?
AEVautomatic 1 year ago
@AEVautomatic Who and what lies?
k0smon 1 year ago
This means that space is not 'empty'.
Space is a substance...it is stuff. It is the stuff that underlies matter.
Drastam 2 years ago 5
@Drastam
"potential stuff"
killerokam 2 years ago
maybe...
potential matter...actual stuff...in some ultimate sense..?
Drastam 2 years ago
A device to measure chi. Even quantum mechanic is not safe from the instrumental reason that dominates all sciences.
thetenet 2 years ago
I enjoyed William Tiller's presentation demonstrating a spiritual reality in which a member of a Ba'hai religion who was a Psychologist had the unusal ability to influence pictures that a oldfashion browie box camera produced . This was presented in Emotial Freedom Technique training which intentionality was discussed..
tonyltalks 2 years ago
what energy is he talking about?...
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Subtle energy. Prana.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
we still dont have evidence for this so called subtle energy
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
We have conjectural, corss-cultural evidence, don't we? And this vidoe seems to hint to the notion's validity.
There are 4 bodies corss-culturally reported in various meditative and mysical traditions: gross or physical, subtle (energetic, dreams, thoughts, emotions, a lot else), causal (bliss, extremely subtle body, emptiness), and nondual that is all of these simultaneously. These are objective features and patterns of an otherwise subjective experience.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
i would love to believe you,.,.,. but where is the proof?,... moreover there are many cultures where they believe that we have 6 subtle bodies,... and they experience 6 of them.... so we experience whatever we believe... same goes with the chakras inside,... some say there are 5 some say there are 7.... and they experience similarly....
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
There are differences between states and structures of consciousness. The bodies of which I speak are what are responsible for or related to waking, dreaming and deep dreamless sleep. The number itself is quite irrelevant. It may be that what some call bodies are, at least some of these, one body viewed from different states of consciousness. But the similarities cross-culturally are mostly in the sequence of the states of: bodily awareness, energetic awareness, emptiness, and nondual.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
but how do you know???... and we can alter the states of consciousness by using various drugs.... we can even turn of the consciousness,.. by chemicals..... i think consciousness is just the by product of the brain.... because it cannot exist otherwise....
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
In daoism, there are only 3 energy centers, and these correspond quite neatly to the 'sacral', 'heart' and 'third eye' chakra. In kundalini yoga, the energy is at first sensed to be coming from the lowest part to the spine unto the crown of the head, but in daoism, the energy goes in a circle. There are variations to these descriptions that hint to a common ground for these experiences.
There are two kind of ways to 'prove' subtle energies: objective and subjective.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
The numbers aren't that important, but the sequence from physical awareness to energetic awareness to causal emptiness awareness to nondual, is quite universal. Mastery of psycal awareness can lead to nature mysticism, mastery of energetic awareness leads to a mastery in for example in qi gong and pranayama, and mastery of causal emptiness is what formless mysticism is all about, and nondual mysticism is what daoism and buddhism are 'famous' for.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
There is no subject without object. In a state of blissful emptiness, there is a sheath of extremely subtle energy available. There is no body without mind. In subtle body, there also is subtle experience and thoughts and images and quite convincing realities, such as dreams. In gross body, there too is experience, as distinct but one with the physical body, depsite what the thoughts think.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
May be these energies exist... i dont know.....But do you believe that consciousness exists independently of the bain,? and that it continues to exist even after the brain stops working?
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
I don't think consciousness exists separately from the brain. The brain is the seat of consciousness. Consciousness and the brain are not synonmyous, but without the brain, yes there would not be experience of one's suuroundings. But conscious experience takes place within one's lifetime not just in the 5 senses, but also in one's mind's eye, so to speak, as dreams, as meditative states. The exact relationship between the brain and consciousness is not know for certain.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
then how can you be so sure about the subtle bodies, and subtle energies so, ?.... Because they can be just the altered states of consciousness,.... created by chemicals of our brain....
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
States of consciousness are not just about brain chemicals, but more about brainwave frequencies that are in correlation but not synonymous with the actual first person experience. The causal emptiness and bliss takes place in delta brainwave states, very similar to dreamless sleep, but awareness is available. Brainwaves have been correlated with the interior states of consciousness. The bodies are most succinctly 'expressed' as waking, dreaming and deep sleep.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
okay, so its about brainwave frequencies,,.,.,. but how do the subtle bodies and subtle energies fit in ,... in this explanation?
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
The objectivity in first person experience seems to be that there is a sequenciality to the states of consciousness that become permanent traits. The subjectivity is the impressions and feelings and sensations gathered. as for any devices gathering data about such energies, biofeedback machines can be taken as a partial proof that these energies and bodies exists and cab be accessed perhaps only by the 1st person perspective.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Still you haven't shown me any impressive argument that points towards the existence of the subtle bodies and subtle energies.
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
I guess I haven't proven subtle energies with argumentation to you, indeed.
Subtle energies are not understood objectively yet, but their objective existence hasn't been disproved.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Brain states are not the same as states of consciousness, even though they can be correlated. Brain chemicals also contribute to the change of states of consciousness. Subtle bodies and energies are revelaed by changing brain states, and the bodies' existance can be verified in one's own first person awareness. There are 3 perspectives that all must be taken into account when it comes to understanding subtle energies and such: 1st, 2nd and 3rd person perspectives.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
i am trying to get your point but still there are a lot of problems. Saying that subtle bodies exist because people experience them, is like saying that the ghosts exist because people experience them. I dont know much of neurology, but i do believe that consciousness is caused by the brain activity, it arises out of the complexity of the neurons, and that the altered states of consciousness are nothing but hallucinations due to imbalance of the chemicals in our head.
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Experiences of subtle energies can be repeated. Subtle energies are not synonymous with electromagnetical energy, but perhaps correlation between these is revealed in the future. BTW, hallucinations are not the same as visualizations, and altered states of consciousness are also not hallucinations. Clinical insanity is not the same as a spiritual revelation. Even atoms could have a kind of awareness, called prehension. We do not have the language to translate most about consciousness.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
The experiences of subtle energies can only be repeated if you believe them. Not otherwise.
There is no such thing as "spiritual revelation" in neurology or medical science. You made that thing up by yourself. And where is the "spirit" which you talk about?..
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
"The experiences of subtle energies can only be repeated if you believe them. Not otherwise." Counter-examples: orgasm, car crash, neard death experience, love, states of consciousness that children can be in (confirmed by brainwave imaging, children have a lot more delta brainwaves during waking state, which makes their waking state rather different to ours, plus children that have imagination, create art, visualizations).
Spirit has no location, the same as energy has no location.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Again the orgasm, or the car crash ,or near death experience, love, etc etc etc,..... are not the experiences of subtle energies. And studies have shown that these experiences too are created by the electrochemical impulses in our head. Because they have a striking correlation with brain activity.
You can go on believing that you are in some other world when you are in love,,... but in reality it is an illusion created by the neurons.
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
I do not believe I am in another world in any of these states of consciousness. I think the truth is pointed to - both in first (subjective, but with repeatable patterns), second (cultural, hermeneutics, translation) and third person views (objective science). Exclusion of any of these simply cuts off another avenue of knowledge. No metaphysics is required for science. Materialism is based on metaphysical suppositions.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
" I think the truth is pointed to -" What truth???
And do you also believe in reincarnation and stuff like that?
Coz you guys also tend to believe that consciousness continues to exist after the physical body dies,.
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Exactly. I don't know the truth. Neither do you, about consciousness and everything, ect.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Consciousness exists as the physical body, as the other bodies. Consciousness has never been separate. Separation can be considered a game. Consciousness is inherent to matter, but not a distinct property of matter, because matter itself lacks a concrete definition, because there isn't much to compare it to. While matter is energy, consciousness is both and also neither. As for the paradoxicality of this sentence, one can find the same in quantum mechanics and theories of relativity.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
do you believe in reincarnation? yes or no.....
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Yes and no.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
haha,.. anyway nice talkin to you,....
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Yeah 'twas nice.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
One last thing.Belief has not a very big role to play when it comes to the change to an 'altered' state of consciousness. Hypnotic states, dreams and hallucinative states seem to be the most affected by belief, while meditative states are the least accessible by belief, instead by concentration exercises that involve breathing and sometimes bodily motion. As for the mentioning of orgasm,near-death and other state-inducing situations,I mentioned these to point out that belief alone is nothing.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Zero point energy is that energy which exists everywhere, even at the room and at distance universe, one day we will use this energy and will be able to travel another galaxy
pendoraprince 2 years ago 7
1PostPoMoMan1 here.
@pendoraprince. Yes.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@pendoraprince
I thought he explained quite well that the phrase 'zero point' is being missused.
It is not the energy of zero point that is the great resource, it is the vacuum.
Drastam 2 years ago
@pendoraprince I'm sorry that is just not correct at all. Zero point energy is a theoretical very low energy state of possible photons way below the radio wave energy for atoms at near rest (zero Kelvin). It is hypothesised that if an atom was really at zero energy then the electrons would fall into the protons and end up as neutrons. If it doesn't happen then the electrons must have some tiny orbital energy to prevent this happening. That is zero point energy.
mik99D 1 year ago
I call an end to this conversation. Both our views seem to have been exposed and explored. I think the discussion is over. I have not much left to contribute. I'm amazed at what you have subscribed to on youtube - various spiritual gurus, and I like the fact that you have some Osho-related material in there. Subtle energies are an open subject to many consciousness reseearchers. An integral (whole) perspective seeks to acknowledge first, second and third person perspectives, as a science.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
I hope you're not ignoring the cross-cultural evidence of the similarities between various mystical traditions. I'm not asking you to believe that there is spirit as separate from matter, but I think one can be reasonably convinced that spirit and matter are in a nondual relationship, meaning that there is only artificial separation on the physical or gross level. In the subtle leve, information seems to travel circularily. In causal, it is point-like, and in nondual, it is radial.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
What blissful emptiness?... sheath of energy? what energy? ,.... "There is no body without mind"---- that is a pretty bold statement. But how can there be no body without mind?..... I think that there can be no mind without the fuckin body. ......What are you trying to say here?
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
There is no mind without body. If there is a body, there must be some kind of a mind, What causes consciousness, is not objectively certain. Emergence of consciousness due to complexity is just one possibility, and there are more unanswered questions that answered questions.
1PostPoMoMaN1 2 years ago
Being the voice of general public, "Gimmie moooooooore!"
JaxFloridaLocal 2 years ago
I'm getting this device when its out.
mattrix2007 2 years ago
Awsome Video...Please post more and share the name of the books published by Mr Tiler.. Great !
consuelo1962 3 years ago
Hi everyone!
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Millineum20087731 3 years ago
very cool! thanks for sharing. but, it would be nice if the video explained in some detail how it's done..
do5e 3 years ago
@do5e wheres the video?
epikous 6 months ago
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weAreNotAloneHere 2 years ago
@Millineum20087731 There is no evidence or proof here whatsoever! He is talking out of his arse.
mik99D 1 year ago