True News 35: Bush, Obama and the Torture of Morality

[MishaLeontine1]

it is interesting that Newtons third law of motion also applies to philosophy and politics :D

[111imstupid111]

love the videos man. logic to the max.

[andyissemicool]

@APRtunedAudi; Stem cell research. Obama is a crook, but let's not let hyperbolic and facile statements like "NOTHING HAS CHANGED" infect the debate.

[Kioti077]

Well furthest I am concern Obama is is equally guilty , The only difference is the layer of hypocrisy that covers him , I hope the idiots that voted for him are happy with their choice , since they are  helping to perpetuate this genocidal system , This shit will make a feral boar puke , fucking disgusting.,

[pelucas716]

wow cut obama some slack man, atleast is not the ignorant fool od bush

[JRCrowley]

Obama is continuing every single policy that Bush started. At the same time, he lied about the war, wire-tapping, torture. All those things. Obama is a liar, and no different than Bush. At all.

[omikron23]

From a legal perspective US soldiers in Iraq are illegal combatants. The law of nations has clearly condemned the US-invasion of Iraq. Therefore from the legal — not moral — perspective it is perfectly OK to torture and execute US 'soldiers' in Iraq. But let us not forget the large number of blackwater-mercenaries killing innocent Iraqi people and supporting illegal criminal US-activity over there.

[omikron23]

Blackwater troops aren't bound to US-military regulations and therefore operate outside of the Geneva Convention and thus aren't protected by it. They clearly are criminals - even if this war was not fought outside of the law of nations. In that sense they are both illegal and criminal murderers. Of course they have to be imprisoned or taken out from a lawful perspective.

[momardrame]

This is a classic case of "the end doesn't justify the means". Everyday, police officers around the country solve crimes and get criminals to confess; and they do so NOT by torturing them but by using proven interrogation techniques. If your local police can do that there is no reason why the CIA can't do the same.

[momardrame]

We are not talking about your beliefs though; we are talking about american laws and values. During WWI and WWII, captured german soldiers were not tortured to force them to reveal secrets on future German attacks. And if Tim McVeigh -when he was arrested- had a time bomb hidden somewhere , do you really think that he would have been tortured to reveal the bomb's location even though lives would have been at stake? I doubt it.

[iluvtotoke420]

SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!

[kkmak85]

Partial Power corrupts absolutely.....

[solitariate]

Nixon = burglary fail, genocide win.

[freedom3001]

The Geneva Convention is worthless since noone can live up to it completely. What's important is to behave reasonably towards enemy soldiers and the US is definitely high on that list.

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

Hearing those right-wingnuts like Peggy Noonan, on the weekend talking-head shows repeating the asinine "look toward the future" nonsense had me furious. What is wrong with these people who are willing to wholly disregard the rule of law in favor of their ideology? Sadly, this apparently includes our current president. I do hope he reconsiders, and his latest words show he may be coming around in this matter.

[PleaseActNow]

If politicians were exposed and imprisoned for the crimes that they have committed, this country would be ran by us regular people, and we wouldnt be in the situation were in now.

You do know we the regular people are all radical extremist, just for speaking the truth.

[MaikUniversum]

yes

[CelticReject]

Perhaps for a while.

But power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[throwntomato]

very good advice.scrutinize what the government is condemning and that is what they are actually doing! you are a very wise man, Stefan!

[somecomputergeek]

"look to the future" is just another "hindsight is 20/20" argument. Justifying the mistakes of the "past" is an infinite get out of jail free card for CURRENT mistakes. After all, when the predictable consequences of a behavior arises, you can simple say, "Well, hindsight is 20/20, we need to look to the future" to avoid accountability, which is exactly what is being done.

[mju34]

Just before the invasion of Iraq, at his State of the Union Address, Mr. Bush condemned the Hussein regime for putting its political enemies, alive, through wood-chippers.

By your logic, Mr. Bush must be guilty of putting his political enemies through wood-chippers.

[gosmokesome]

Bush did kill Saddam, no?

[mju34]

We could split hairs on that. Saddam was tried and sentenced by an Iraqi tribunal. The sentence was executed by Iraqis.

Now, would Mr. Bush have probably done much the same thing? I think so. Did Saddam get the justice that was due to him? I think so.

[IVoteNone]

"War crimes" is a redundant term. War is inherently criminal.

[MyFavorites791]

If you're defending your soil, you can still commit war crimes. Not redundant in the least for many situations.

[IVoteNone]

"If you're defending your soil.." I wouldn't exactly consider kicking someone off your property a war..

[MyFavorites791]

I mean national soil. If for example, we invaded Mexico. You can still commit war crimes while defending your country. Excessive force in war is not limited to the attacker, contrary to D3mi4n's misguided ideals of righteousness.

[D3mi4n]

If you are defending your soil, then you do not commit war crimes.

[bunabayashi]

you mean, the soil next to your mother's uterus?

[canubelieve]

I'm glad I found this channel Stef, very illuminating and insightful.

[gosmokesome]

Because of you positive comment, I can believe in the humanity of humankind.

[pauline404]

great video!

[Guncriminal]

This isn't merely an American phenomenon, either; I seem to recall one of Tony Blair's favourite phrases being "It's time to move on..."

[throwntomato]

very interesting comment! i didn't know Blair said that!

[Nihilist127]

I heard on democracy now that the Obama administration has also extended the immunities originally granted to the telecom companies by the bush administration not only to the bush administration but to themselves but they lose that immunity if they talk about what they uncovered.

[Uaz31]

I think Obamas idea of looking to the future is like holding a carrot out on a stick to get a horse to go where to want it to.

[stefbot]

Yesss, I think that is an entirely brilliant observation! :)

[kRAZYCanuck22]

get naked

[DCLugi]

What do you suppose produces this "progress"? Is it just more difficult to hide sweep it under the rug in these modern times?

[hamletundone]

But such officers do the king best service in the end. he keeps them like an apple in the corner of his jaw, first mouthed to be last swallowed. When he needs what you have gleaned, it is but squeezing you and, sponge, you shall be dry again

[johnycannuk]

LOL @4:39 - Obama administration as the mom in a dysfunctional family.

Sounds about right.

[82816a]

I can't believe that wow fuk.

[BabyHominid]

Thanks. I can't believe that torture is even up for discussion so publicly.

[erhnamdj]

These are people that murder (or go along with the murder of) millions of people, abduct and lock in rape rooms (randomly at times), and purposely and systematically corrupt and destroy the minds of children. . .

. . .and people are *surprised* when they torture?