you know i once told an African American that Country music has African Influences and he didn't believe me . if you hear many of he original blues music from the south it had a very strong Country sound and feel to it .
Fuck you motherfucker---we invented the banjo you play country music on,bitch. Deal with it---now go kill your white racist cracker fucking bullshit ass.
Sorry Gittahfiend, but being definitive in your quote doesn't make you right. Country music grew out of the south/Blues tradition...not Europe. And your being "non-white" doesn't advance your argument either.
Never mind the fact that one of my degrees is in music theory and history. Never mind the fact that I've worked in music professionally for the better part of 20 years. Never mind the fact that both of my parents are music educators. Never mind the fact that there is a world of information available on the origins of country music. Never mind all that. You just want to take us at your anonymous internet word. Got it.
Mokellyreport: You may have a degree in music theory, and you may have worked in the music business (which, usually = money over creativity), but you are flat out wrong in your statements. Maybe you need to dust off your old textbooks, or maybe... just maybe you need to go back & study the roots for yourself. Anyone who TRUELY loves music doesn't count on a few classes to pinpoint the origin of certain genres. Country music ABSOLUTELY grew out of European music. Both
You know...just because YOU SAY it...doesn't make it so. Show me a historical timeline in terms of artists and the formation of the genre. Just because Mommy and Daddy said so too isn't enough.
Country/Bluegrass grew out of an evolution of the blues. Nice try.
Broadside ballads & Child's ballads (although not necessarily defined under those titles in the earliest times of European migration to North America) were part of the American folk tradition since the earliest migrations to America. "Wandering boy," "Black Jack David" (circa 1600s), "House Carpenter" etc. are just a few examples. Lest we forget, Jigs, Reels, Hornpipes, & Shanties were all part of the Southern fiddle tradition. All STARTED in Europe. Obviously, southerners also
came up w/ their own folk tunes ( "chicken on Sourwood Mnt," "Old Joe Clark," etc. but their original influence was from European music. Over the years, parlor songs (especially those with victorian rustic flavor to them), Vaudeville styles of singing, jazz, ragtime, Black & White gospel influences, & blues & black folk (buck dance tunes especially), were all melded w/ traditional white southern folk music. By the time Peer was starting to record
southern artists, they were incorporating the music of the day. Even the Carter family, the most traditional, were incorporating vaudeville, parlor, gospel, minstel, & ragtime influenced songs (besides the traditional anglo/southern folk tunes) by the time they were recorded.
Not only that...you show your ignorance because you say it came out of "European music"...there's no such thing. Care to be more vague? Spanish music is unlike French, which is unlike German, which is nothing like Irish...etc. For you to even use the term "European music" is laughable. Europe is a continent of dozens of disparate music styles and histories. That's like saying all opera is alike and ignoring the fact that Italian and German operas are NOTHING alike. Come with facts.
Uh..I think I pretty well pinpointed it. The terms "Child Ballads" & "Broadside ballads" should've been an indicator for an "educated" person like yourself. ... BRITAIN. Yep! You know? That area where English, Irish, Scots, & Welsh come from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many Euro countries count Arias as folk music. LOL! You remind me of my sister-in-law..she has a degree in history & can't tell the difference between the War of 1812 & the Civil war. Hard earned degree, huh?..LOL!
The fallacy in your argument is that this is a discussion of Country Music...not English folk ballads. Country music is a 20th century phenomenon, rising concurrently with the blues tradition.
The emphasis here is MUSIC, not folks songs/story telling. The chord progressions mirror in many ways the blues progressions, not folk song progressions. The genre of country music is a definitive music movement, catapulted by the blues movement.
Of course you can make the argument that since it is "melodic" in focus it is ergo related to the melodic evolution of music in Europe.
Look at the RISE of country music, look at the dates and its immediate precursors...it's Blues. There is a distinct difference in arguing that country music is "influenced" by a certain music set and that it originates from one.
Nobody would sensibly argue it's not heavily influenced by Irish/English folk traditions, but it's RISE in the 20th century is directly related to blues music. There is no "COUNTRY" music of the 20th century without the blues music to precede it...
Not true. Some artists, Jimmie Rodgers, in particular, used blues chord progressions in many of his songs. Blues uses a lot of minor chords. Country songs mostly use major chords (as was the case w/ the Carter family & others). As far as "story telling," I don't know where you are going w/ that.. A ballad is still a SONG. A ballad can be a FOLK SONG (as is the case of "John Hardy" - a black southern folk song. As far as the Country genre, itself, goes (it was initially called "hillbilly"), it
was created, to give southern whites music to listen to, as many began moving into the cities or up north. In fact, 1 of the 1st Country artists to record was Fiddlin' John Carson. He recorded mostly WHITE SOUTHERN FOLK TUNES. In fact, MOST of the country musicians recording at that time, waxed SEVERAL white southern folk tunes. Blues didn't really begin until the 1890's. Vaudeville & ragtime were a bigger influence on (what would become) country, than even blues. Do you have a credit card? I'm
I doubt you listen to country music; I doubt you've heard much of anything (outside the K mart country that they play on the radio nowadays). If you did, you might know more & understand it better. I'll tell you what though: Why don't you ask Mike Johnson. He's a black country musician, yodels, & has recorded for library of congress. I've talked to him a few times. He's a great guy. He knows as much as any1 about country's roots. I'll message ya.
This is an excert from the "WAITING IN THE WINGS" presentation that aired several years ago. Pamela E. Foster, one of the commentators, is a friend and also author of the ground-breaking 400-page 1998 book "My Country, The African Diaspora's Country Music Heritage" which chronicles African American Country Music involvement and exclusion. Pride, was by no means the first African American country artist. The most famous, and the first black country super-star, without a doubt.
you know i once told an African American that Country music has African Influences and he didn't believe me . if you hear many of he original blues music from the south it had a very strong Country sound and feel to it .
oaklandlatinosunited 5 months ago
Country music actually comes from the Hillbillies in Appalachia
HillbillyBoogie1 6 months ago
All our American music in some way shape or form... including Country has mixed roots it is not one single influence
ThothWisdom 1 year ago
the banjo was invetned by african slaves. Countries biggest influence is OLD TIME music.. which is a mix of all kinds of countries.
ThisYoungLibertine 1 year ago
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck africa stinking continent and fuck nigger nobody like you ajajaja
cri4154 2 years ago
Fuck you motherfucker---we invented the banjo you play country music on,bitch. Deal with it---now go kill your white racist cracker fucking bullshit ass.
statelybird3 2 years ago
the banjo came from africa,but the style of music(country)came from europe.
gittahfiend 3 years ago
Incorrect, the style of music was a derivative of blues...it did not come from Europe.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
yes, europe and no, I'm not white.
gittahfiend 2 years ago
Sorry Gittahfiend, but being definitive in your quote doesn't make you right. Country music grew out of the south/Blues tradition...not Europe. And your being "non-white" doesn't advance your argument either.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
Never mind the fact that one of my degrees is in music theory and history. Never mind the fact that I've worked in music professionally for the better part of 20 years. Never mind the fact that both of my parents are music educators. Never mind the fact that there is a world of information available on the origins of country music. Never mind all that. You just want to take us at your anonymous internet word. Got it.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
Mokellyreport: You may have a degree in music theory, and you may have worked in the music business (which, usually = money over creativity), but you are flat out wrong in your statements. Maybe you need to dust off your old textbooks, or maybe... just maybe you need to go back & study the roots for yourself. Anyone who TRUELY loves music doesn't count on a few classes to pinpoint the origin of certain genres. Country music ABSOLUTELY grew out of European music. Both
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
You know...just because YOU SAY it...doesn't make it so. Show me a historical timeline in terms of artists and the formation of the genre. Just because Mommy and Daddy said so too isn't enough.
Country/Bluegrass grew out of an evolution of the blues. Nice try.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
(continued #1)
Broadside ballads & Child's ballads (although not necessarily defined under those titles in the earliest times of European migration to North America) were part of the American folk tradition since the earliest migrations to America. "Wandering boy," "Black Jack David" (circa 1600s), "House Carpenter" etc. are just a few examples. Lest we forget, Jigs, Reels, Hornpipes, & Shanties were all part of the Southern fiddle tradition. All STARTED in Europe. Obviously, southerners also
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
(continued #2)
came up w/ their own folk tunes ( "chicken on Sourwood Mnt," "Old Joe Clark," etc. but their original influence was from European music. Over the years, parlor songs (especially those with victorian rustic flavor to them), Vaudeville styles of singing, jazz, ragtime, Black & White gospel influences, & blues & black folk (buck dance tunes especially), were all melded w/ traditional white southern folk music. By the time Peer was starting to record
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
(continued # 3)
southern artists, they were incorporating the music of the day. Even the Carter family, the most traditional, were incorporating vaudeville, parlor, gospel, minstel, & ragtime influenced songs (besides the traditional anglo/southern folk tunes) by the time they were recorded.
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
Thank Goodness Mr. Pride is married to a Black Woman.
dbadmus 3 years ago
Not only that...you show your ignorance because you say it came out of "European music"...there's no such thing. Care to be more vague? Spanish music is unlike French, which is unlike German, which is nothing like Irish...etc. For you to even use the term "European music" is laughable. Europe is a continent of dozens of disparate music styles and histories. That's like saying all opera is alike and ignoring the fact that Italian and German operas are NOTHING alike. Come with facts.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
Uh..I think I pretty well pinpointed it. The terms "Child Ballads" & "Broadside ballads" should've been an indicator for an "educated" person like yourself. ... BRITAIN. Yep! You know? That area where English, Irish, Scots, & Welsh come from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many Euro countries count Arias as folk music. LOL! You remind me of my sister-in-law..she has a degree in history & can't tell the difference between the War of 1812 & the Civil war. Hard earned degree, huh?..LOL!
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
The fallacy in your argument is that this is a discussion of Country Music...not English folk ballads. Country music is a 20th century phenomenon, rising concurrently with the blues tradition.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
The emphasis here is MUSIC, not folks songs/story telling. The chord progressions mirror in many ways the blues progressions, not folk song progressions. The genre of country music is a definitive music movement, catapulted by the blues movement.
Of course you can make the argument that since it is "melodic" in focus it is ergo related to the melodic evolution of music in Europe.
mokellyreport 2 years ago
Look at the RISE of country music, look at the dates and its immediate precursors...it's Blues. There is a distinct difference in arguing that country music is "influenced" by a certain music set and that it originates from one.
Nobody would sensibly argue it's not heavily influenced by Irish/English folk traditions, but it's RISE in the 20th century is directly related to blues music. There is no "COUNTRY" music of the 20th century without the blues music to precede it...
mokellyreport 2 years ago
Not true. Some artists, Jimmie Rodgers, in particular, used blues chord progressions in many of his songs. Blues uses a lot of minor chords. Country songs mostly use major chords (as was the case w/ the Carter family & others). As far as "story telling," I don't know where you are going w/ that.. A ballad is still a SONG. A ballad can be a FOLK SONG (as is the case of "John Hardy" - a black southern folk song. As far as the Country genre, itself, goes (it was initially called "hillbilly"), it
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
was created, to give southern whites music to listen to, as many began moving into the cities or up north. In fact, 1 of the 1st Country artists to record was Fiddlin' John Carson. He recorded mostly WHITE SOUTHERN FOLK TUNES. In fact, MOST of the country musicians recording at that time, waxed SEVERAL white southern folk tunes. Blues didn't really begin until the 1890's. Vaudeville & ragtime were a bigger influence on (what would become) country, than even blues. Do you have a credit card? I'm
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
gonna start charging for history lessons. LOL!
I doubt you listen to country music; I doubt you've heard much of anything (outside the K mart country that they play on the radio nowadays). If you did, you might know more & understand it better. I'll tell you what though: Why don't you ask Mike Johnson. He's a black country musician, yodels, & has recorded for library of congress. I've talked to him a few times. He's a great guy. He knows as much as any1 about country's roots. I'll message ya.
BarnacleBillsBastard 2 years ago
Interesting.
Africanmistress29 3 years ago
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mokellyreport 2 years ago
Thank you very much for posting this video. I learned a lot.
Oddearthling 3 years ago 2
This is an excert from the "WAITING IN THE WINGS" presentation that aired several years ago. Pamela E. Foster, one of the commentators, is a friend and also author of the ground-breaking 400-page 1998 book "My Country, The African Diaspora's Country Music Heritage" which chronicles African American Country Music involvement and exclusion. Pride, was by no means the first African American country artist. The most famous, and the first black country super-star, without a doubt.
BY1NO1 3 years ago 2
Hey finally, this is great. Check out Cross That River.
timuralee 3 years ago
Yo, she's got it goin' on like Flooky & the Beans!
emmuls 3 years ago
this gal can shout. i love her!
emmuls 3 years ago