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  • With the ability to go nuclear if they chose - that position conflicts with the hopes and aspirations of a nation of 80 million people which is unacceptable to anyone - as much as I respect the Israelis and their accomplishments they're taking an unreasonable position with Iran - Israel is invincible and they are not facing an existential threat from anyone - competition certainly & they don't want any competition

  • Israel is technically not a middle-eastern country - its a small mediteranian nation-state as a result technically speaking they have no business meddling in the sovereigns affairs & aspirations of countries well beyond their border in the neat east & given their poor track record & global image problem they have no business dragging the US into their conflicts - the issue wasn't a nuclear Iran what Natanyahu said was that he would not permit Iran to become a screw driver state like Japan

  • No need to NUKE Israel it's just small land and can't resist to be attacked even by a thousands of Hamas rocket, camper to Iran can resist because it's bigger then Israel by 30 times..therefore imagine a hundreds of shehab falls over Israel

  • Who's the male anchor at 0:32? I have seen him defend Israel a lot on TV, but I don't remember what his name is.

  • Nuke iran nuke the whole mid east kill them all.

  • The fact you americans do not even know jews run your Federal Reserve cartel bank and Hollywood and 90% of media gives me a bad feeling. I am german and I know about the jewish way, believe me, they will screw your country totally. YOu better wake up to know at last what's happening.

  • God speed to Ahmadinejad and Iran, destroy Israel for the future of mankind.

  • Revaluation 2:9 Synagogue of Satan (Israel).

  • If America help Israel; U.S economy will fall from the sky to a sharp sword right in middle of the butt, do you how pain that be for our children. We cannot afford this debt to save Israel, beside the own half the world bank, WAKE UP Israel is pimping our tax money.

  • But israel nukes are ok right Ms. Clinton?

  • @PhreakPhantom yes they are ok, they were ok for the last 40 years retard.

  • gw fox news keep up the propaganda and maybe we'll c a third war in the middle east, actually y just afghanistan, iraq and iran, the US may as well invade the entire middle east or even the whole world. this is so fuked up

  • The only country in the Middle East to have ever militarily or otherwise attacked the US: Israel.

    That makes Israel America's largest threat and enemy in the region.

    They need to be bombing the Zionist terrorist apartheid for their role in 9/11 and their attack on USS Liberty.

  • fox news what a bunch of ASSHOLES !!!

  • Israel has invaded all of their neighbors and openly commits genocide and ethnic cleansing.

    Israel doesn't allow IAEA inspectors to their facilities.

    Israel refused to sign the NPT.

    Israel has over 500 illegal nukes pointed at every city in Europe and the Middle East.

    On the Other hand:

    Iran didn't invade any country in recent history.

    Iran has signed the NPT.

    Iran allows IAEA inspectors to their facilities.

    Iran doesn't even have a single nuke nor plans of building one.

  • @casanova0102 What a distortion of reality, you are a sad propaganda puppet.

  • why da fuck are da jews scared? no one will dare to use it, they could prevent war

  • Okay let me tell u this USA is a mother for israeli government. Is Israelis kill and bomb innocent Palestinian people which are mostly women and children than is okay but when Palestinian show resistance they are terrorist. And if Iran runs a energy saving plan than Iran is threaten israel????

    Israel has over thousands of nuke missiles but thats okay because israel is protecting itself from women and children of palestinian. USA and israel are the same people who want a new world ruling withou

  • talk about the resolutions against Israel which the US alone blocks and talk abt the fact that israel already has several hundred nukes!!!

  • @casanova0102 I think if israel was evil they would have already nuked iran. The fact is, iranians hate jews, yet the jews have done nothing to them. Once Iran has this power, what do you think They're going to do?

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  • @casanova0102 There is no such thing as an isreali threat and yes they have! Achmadinijad has made many threats towards isreal, even to wipe them off the face of the earth, he's speeches. You guys just hate israel because you're muslims yourselves.

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  • @NoRussian A)Don't assume everyone that disapproves of Israel is Muslim.B)Ahmadinejad is NOT the supreme ruler of Iran, he has very little power. C) The truth is Ahmadinejad did not say/mean he wanted to wipe "Israel off the face of the planet", if u want proof go read the wikipedia article titled 'Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel'. D)Yes there is such thing as an Israeli-US threat! Have u forgotten the Iraq war! And have u forgotten Israel's 200+ nuclear bombs, which they've threatened to use!

  • @casanova0102 Yeah dumbass, even Iran wants to go. Iran is the bad guy here, they don't care about america or the well being of innocent people, I bet you didn't know that in Iran, Israel is not located on their map. Long live Israel.

  • fox news is run by jews!

  • *sigh* seems wars will never end. the anti-war peeps starts them and we soldiers have to end them. Media always messes and twists things up. the US, GREAT BRITIAN, ISRAEL, CANADA & RUSSIA have their hands full. media needs to back off who cares if they want uranium enrichment. it could be use for other things. until we hear them test 1 then we'll get da green light 2 go. till then all the big countries are busy.

  • Greetings from Holland! Iran You have my personal respect! You are the only one that have guts to say FUCK USA!

    It's not a big deal, but it feels good to see that there is at least someone left with pride in this hypocritical Anglo-Saxon/ 4th Reich world!

    I have deep respect that You dont Bow Down To the Tiran Terrortistic Bully Nations Called US and Isreal..THeyre fucking Pigs and think they can get away by Invading and Killing innocent ppl for their Dubble Agenda Massive Respect Iran!!!

  • listening to that dumb bitch talk physically hurts my ears ...why does she think just because her husband was a good leader that she would be ?

  • Iran is not an existential threat, this is all just some hype that the Zionist-controlled media wants you to hear. Don't watch Fox News or any other corporate-runned station.

  • @libertycityable : That is true. But they could do oil-prices a great deal of damage if Iran decides to blockade the Gulf of Hormuz if any country attack it!. This means oil prices will double and every country will blame the country that does the attacking. Everybody loses!. Mr Putin will have the biggest smile on the planet.

  • very funnny

    realy very funny.... if u "israel" want to attack iran!

    do it and enough of this bullshit

    lets see some actions instead of the shit-talk

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  • I WOULD RATHER ISRAEL START A NUCLEAR WAR THAN IRAN STRIKE FIRST! ONCE THEY GET NUCS IRAN WILL ALLOW NUCLAER MATERIAL TO LAND IN THE HANDS OF THE TERRORIST! BUT I THINK ISRAEL WILL STRIKE FIRST WITHOUT NUCS!

  • Israel has 100-200 nukes, but Iran can't even have *one*? roflmao... double standards in your face!

  • @fresshness2001 ..CAUSE THEM DUMBASSES WILL USE THEM!

  • @chino1922 I'm sorry, I didn't know some people could predict the future...

    LOL

  • @fresshness2001 ..I'm not predicting the future! While we speak the largest naval force in history is heading the Persian Gulf! Huge battle group crossed through the Suez Canal late July! Israeli subs have headed for the gulf along with ships! Iranian, Arab,Jewish,British sources(media) have stated that Isreali Military planes have landed in Saudi A. and have set up a make shift base! I'm not predicting the future I'm reading the signs! Maybe you should too!

  • @chino1922 I can see you bought the corporate propaganda lock, stock and barrel.

    I pity you.

    Have a nice life.

  • @fresshness2001 I know, it is sad. What's worse is we the poeple of the United States gave Israel those nukes. We also give them 3 billion dollars a year to terrorize the palestinian people. They are doing the exact same thing that Hitler did. They have done it all but turn on the gas. I bet Hitler is rolling in his grave saying "See world I told you what the Jews would do, but you didn't listen".

  • @donrainesoh

    Incorrect! France put Israel on the fast track to plutonium production in the mid 60's but the USA may have supplied the Israelis with the blueprints for the W-88 series of warheads.

  • No one talks about Israels illegal nuclear bombs... Besides, the UN believes they control the world. Countries can have free will to make nuclear bombs if they want. They are independent nations. UN should be demolished. I support Iran, and I say go ahead Israel, you'll have Russia against you as well.

  • CrackerJackLee, you have no idea what is going on. Hezbollah and Hamas are funded by Iran. Hamas has bombed Israeli cities over 150 times this year alone. They are trying to kill Israeli kids, as well as the old, men, women.... just anyone. Many Iranians hate their own government.

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  • american politicians are bought and paid for by jews... Washington, D.C. is afloat in jews... and every time they say international communiity, they're only talking about israel- washington... and the jewish media focuses on iran's trivial internal matters to demonize them... many riots around the are world never spoken of... maybe arab-jew war would be a good thing... to eliminate all troublemakers and control freaks... western government is so full of jews that their back teeth are kosher...

  • When Israel starts an unprovoked nuclear war we will finally know who the real threat is. Maybe then after half of the worlds population is dead the survivors will finally get it. FOX news, CNN, ABC and the likes are the preferred weapon of choice in a new type of warfare where you are the undeclared enemy. Divide and concur is the most basic tactic in any war and these ass holes are doing it with stunning success. Corporate fascist Zionism is the true American enemy. Any body need coffee?WTFU

  • There is no country called Israel , UN must open a war against terrorist Israelis for having nuclear and chemical weapons , terrorist Jews have atomic booms , how come when Iran and Iraq have theme it is not OK but when terrorist Jews ( Israelis )have it is ok no no no jews must be wipe out of earth and earth will be a very nice place to leave .and Israeli terrorist are not fighting against Muslim terorist , because there is no no Muslim terrorist. UN must open war giants terrorist Israelis

  • @barnabywilis Agreed.

  • This is going to happen because of the lack of Obama/Bush policy with the terroristic state of Iran. When? who knows, but it is going to happen and then the US will be in a war with the entire middle east. Get ready.

  • @barnabywilis That is because you are a moron.

  • damn the israley so what the destruction of the socalled middle east would be worth it to destroy an apartheid white racist state. read THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE by Arthur Koestler a Jew

  • @firefox8192 Keep taking those pills.

  • My god are muslims ever going to wake up to the fact Israel will not just fall alone it will destroy the entire middle east if it falls.

  • @Repsol52 eww its a jeww

  • @Repsol52 I don't think Americans are going to wake up. I don't think that peopel realize the only thing that stops Israel from blowing the hell out of the entire middle east is because the US keeps the reins on them. Now that the US is basically abandoning them, war marches closer.

  • Israel attack Iran asap. Since obama hasnt the balls.

  • Prophecy is unfolding and Iran loses.

  • Why does not Iran pre-empt and attack the

    dimona Nuclear bomb facility just like Israel and US does ?

    Israel has too many nukes for its size and what happens it nukes all its neighbor and then what happens to its Jewish popluation after the fall out

  • that iran president is signing his own death...did he not see what happend to sadam

  • Anil, so you are saying just say namaste

    Bhagwaan to US and Israel or live like Tipu Sultan ? this is a serious question OR live and lie low till they walk over you anyway, when all the neighbors are not concerned with Iran except Israel so where does the problem exist in TElAviv or Tehran ?

  • yeah but if iran would just work with usa they would be so much better off look at saudi just sell the oil but instead they wana work with china russia

  • Saudia is the most supressive govt in the world where women have absolutely no freedom and Iran has 70 million vibrant Iranians who just want to voice their opinion about Palestine and also supports it thru Hezb and Hamas so whats the big deal.

    Pakistan is working with CHina, syria with russia so whats the deal. Isreal the spoilt brat wants its way and wants its slave the US to fight fo take care of Iran

  • women anywhere in middle east gona have little freedom thats cause of religion cant do anything about that...usa is a great country the best in the world everyother country should try to be like us..and usa is gona control the worlds oil its the ruleing empire on earth iran should just give in its not like usa is bad they will build there country

  • the jews always want to nuke other people. no wonder Hitler punished them. i guess he recognized the jews are dangerous people before everyone else.

  • The yanks should stop yapping. If they really cant take it, they would have attacked before they flap their pie-holes like there is no tomorrow. Poor Israel will very likely end up in much more danger than ever. lol, simply because, THE WEST IS NOT GOD.

  • Yanks are playing the dutiful good guys this time. This is ridiculous! Yanks are fooling their people. Israel and the US has already secretly accepted Iran nukes. They should either attack or shut the hell up. Now the foolish yankee 'free' people are gonna console their government and say that "it is not your fault, you did all you can". lol, fucking stupid, they are not able to pay for the entire cost of an invasion on Iran, for that would destroy the world economy.

  • Aryans hahaha Aryans live in afghanistan and India. They have the R1a haplotype like we do. Black hair you say? The greatest amount of people with light hair in the world is in finland, northern russia, the baltic states, sweden, northern Poland and northern germany. You know shit about the world, you hear me boy? Go back do milking cows and then start packing for your trip back to norway.

  • @Metadonek i already told you im not norweigan 4 times are you dislexic? milking cows okay..lol you tool.poland blonde hair.lmfao ur joking right? finland, russia, germany, sweden, greenland, iceland, sure canada more so than poland the U.S more so than poland bud.if u take 25% of our population theyd have a higher number than you.there are lots of polish here from after the fall of communism and i have yet to meet 1 with blonde hair, and they all say polands a dump

  • Iran is the Devil. They want to start a war. Kill all Iranians!!!

  • Kill your ass! USA = satanic nazis and racists!

    Go fuck yourself you racist!

  • Iran has no problem with its neighbors maybe one distant neighbor with the 200 nukes and Israel has problem with every neighbor and their x-neighbor the Germans. The devil is crying over Iran's nuke while it sitting on Nukes and blood of the Palestinians and its land.

    New Nazis are ready to strike the gentiles

  • @rashidaq Iran signed NPT while Israel putting pressure on USA to do their dirty work!

  • @rashidaq Umm...This is exactly what the Nazi's fought against. They wanted to lock all the Jews away (Not murder, that's just the Holohoax), to prevent Zionist treachery in the future.

  • Israel should be wiped off the map!

    There is not such thing as a jewish nation!

  • @Metadonek

    you are as ignorant as an ass. do you even know the histort and the reason WHY the Israeli are doing that? people like are sooo Naive to what people say. i think YOU should be wiped out of this earth.

  • @Metadonek

    and it wouldn't make much of a difference if Iran ends defeating isreal. because those people hate us. then we will be next.

  • Good!

    Death to the USA and Canada! You killed the indians! You are Racists!

    Israel = Satan || USA\Canada = Lucyfer

  • @Metadonek- we killed the indians...lmao... u not have t.v in ur cave and watch the olympic opening ceremony?

    i dnt think u know canadian history? are you talking about installations like fort knox, or western battles with indians? if so research, they wanted to share the land and accepted many gifts, than certain native groups attacked us while we were colonizing(metis, cree) and thats y they get the fewest benefits, others like ojibuay who kept to their deal are treated extradionarily

  • Racist! Go back to europe you racist!

    Lick your father's ass clean!

  • @Metadonek- it doesnt matter what tribe your from now- you get free college, unniversity, pay no sales tax, no property tax... if u grow up on a reserve when you turn 18 you get a house or 80,000$.you are the first to get jobs if your laid off, as there are so many native job programs, you get relocation money, funding every year to the chief, 3 times money per kid from the gov. per month. ability to own casinos. i could go on and on i have a friend whos ojibuay and they dnt suffer, ur clueless

  • @Metadonek lmao... now i get your polish...lmfao... no wonder ur clueless...lol... you probably dont even know the first in canada wasnt native americans, but the inuit or eskimos...lmao... ur so stupid.. europe for europeons...lmao... europeons immigrated to europe from the north, same as the first whites in canada werent the british who fought the indians like u think, but the vikings(icelandic) do u know where iceland is? they came to canada 1000s of yrs before the british

  • HAHA what a shithead you are. Inuits came there 6000 years ago. Redskins came there 15000 years ago.

    What a stupid idiot. Go back to europe. America for native americans!!!

  • @Metadonek - how can u hate the jews so much... ur from poland...lol...the warsaw ghetto, you housed most of the jews, and were the first to be invaded...lol... if it wasnt for us youd be working in a nazi slave work labour camp now not on welfare... keep your communist ideals see how profitable poland becomes in the future...lmfao its a dump for a reason ppl like u.. ur just upset ur acestors had to hide their jewish religion like 50% of polaks so they werent exterminated

  • You are a xenophobic and ignorant racist. What can I say your nationality explains everything! Some day the redskins will rise up and bash all you aliens back to europe!

  • @Metadonek lmfao that just shows how uneducated you are(typical polak), they wont ever uprise, they have it to good the ones that want to work have great jobs, the ones that dont get paid well anyways... not to mention they dont have the population to uprise, plus they already have their own laws, rules etc. on their land and dont have to abide by ours, they dnt complain...

  • Norwegians are worthless and cowardish scum. You never achieved anything. You are stupid and immature. Your nationality explains everything!

  • @Metadonek wo wo wo retard... do you know how to read or history? i said i was icelandic not norweigan first of all.... do you not know history tard? greenland and iceland were a part of germany in ww2 and under german occupation... so your wrong...

    lastly you come on my profile type ur bullshit antisemitic racist remarks claiming ties to something you have none than block me from posting on mine and report me...lmao... u tell ur mommy if someone calls u a name to

  • Ohh, did someone get pissed off? Thats so sad! You have to be a very weak guy :(

    You are probably good in picking up fallen soap for stronger guys, no? :D:D

  • @Metadonek listen here u short little pole... i cant believe a non racist adult can't just have a debate with a rasict adult(you)without tattling.. u call me weak...lol... you think your part of a master aryan europeon race...lol... u are far from anything attributed to a master race, just by judging your level of intellect..

    and to your soap comment im not like you i own a house i dont have to shower with a bunch of guys in a community low income shower like u...

  • You're saying that I think of the white master race and that I am a racist ???

    hahahahaha :D The level of ignorance in america is astonishing. Your iq has also achieved an all time low!

    You boy are a racist simply by living on not your land. The poeple who's land you have taken away may dissappear. Me? I live in Poland, where all my ancestors have been living before me. And I respect all people and respect their right to live where they've been living for centuries :)

  • @Metadonek-so you want to live like ppl did in times centuries ago? technologies advanced, populations increased, transportations easier, you think every white person should be in europe...y? we wouldnt all fit, theres to many world wide you tool... just because ur countries living in the shadow of communist russia and suffering for it now, doesnt mena us successful ppl should come to ur shitty country so u feel better that u cant succeed due to ur weak economy and infrastructure for living

  • @mzdamx3rs you keep living in ur underfunded commi built cramped living complexes, while i enjoy having houses land, new infrastructure, modern society, very few gangs unlike poland(agree or not, a black person couldnt walk from one side to the other without getting in a fight) we live together, and 95% succeed, while u change sides to germany, than russia ur just followers, thats why were booming ur suffering

  • @Metadonek and yes i am calling you a RACIST... you said death to israel... thats hatred towards a ppl, which is racism, so by definition i was correct calling you a racist... your just a poser neo nazi... nothing more nothing less A POSER...and you report me to youtube...lmao...

    and if you really think centuries ago ur ancestors lived within the modern polish borders, ur crazy, thats speculation... u have their lat, long, coordinates to confirm this, or adress from the 500AD.. nour guessing

  • @Metadonek also i saw you called a back guy a NEGRO... NEGRO is not a type or colour of ppl...retard... its a saying for speaking with a certain dialect, being that of african slave times not the 21st century all tho im sure some still have a slang... you are really uneducated and contradictory to yourself... you say things to certain groups of ppl not knowing their meaning, you support terrorist, and islam extremists... u are far from how u perceive urself

  • Oh really? Wow! Then is orange a colour or a fruit? hahahaha

  • @Metadonek- lastly i cnt stand u saying whites come back to europe... white immigrated to europe from the north, if u believe in your anti semitic ways and the actual roots behind the belief... not to mention i wouldnt call poles whites but half asian seeing your height, flat faces, black hair...lol... so ur far from aryan, why dont u stop being so racist in come back to the 21st century instead of ur 1930's fantasy

  • I am Canadian and I tell you , we did not kill the indians seriously , i live in southern quebec(a province of Canada) in northern quebec they are still plenty of indians living make like half a million

  • "Israel will do wat it HAS to? " to Nuclear bomb Iranian people? then Iran will do wat it has to : ) FUCK U ALL American - Israeli Politicians

  • Heheee those murderer government are talking about human right ,yeah look at there WHO'S THALKIN' ABOUT ALTRUISM or FEAR OF MURDERER... American government ...!!!???? who's believe that ... why emerican gov dosen't distroy the huge number of nukes bomb in his country !!!?????? ... SO don't be silly ...

  • This is happening just like Lindsey Williams said mister x said it would. Also as the Bible said it would as well.

  • Who is the ONLY country that killed 100 s of thousands of people with a nuclear bomb?

    The United States of America

    Apparently, they (my corrupt government) want to beat their old record.

  • i agree with a convential war on iran... because they seek nukes and im against nuclear war, due to civilians being the ones killed, the ppl u want to kill get into their fallout bunkers and survive...if we go to war with iran in a convential way like most of ww2 or ww1, i will volunteer... if we nuke them i will not support us anylonger. ... if they dnt have 1 lets not use 1... its like going to awrestling match with a gun

  • @mzdamx3rs

    Please reconsider going to War Yourself Mz....Besides,if Iran were to obtain Nuclear Weapon ability it would be the French/Russian and American Corporations to blame as they are the Folks currently supplying the Technical Equipment required..If these Corporations stopped selling them the equipment and knowhow then there would not be a problem to begin with.

    Please reconsider.

  • @BrodyLuv2 no trust me if theres a convential war with iran i will VOLUNTEER(fight for free), as i would for any war where war is declared unlike war on terror(peace keeping of afghans from taliban) , to support my country... and i will show no mercy to any muslim extremist... dnt u be calling me mz...lol...look at urself on ur profile what are u a transsexual or something? no wonder u wouldnt volunteer to defend ur country, even if they paid u i doubt u would...lol...

  • @mzdamx3rs

    Sorry Mz.

    I Defend My People..My People are all I am..For them Id' Die..For the Crown?..Really would depend on the reasons for Declaring War....Surely only a Fool would lay His Blood Blindly??

  • @BrodyLuv2 - world war 2 blindly laying down ur blood? world war 1? NO.. the fact is a war with iran would see iran having some allies(china), it wouldnt be taking out some turban heads in caves who have 1970's ak's, it would have the potential to become a world war, and for that i will lay down my life, so my future kids and family can grow up like i did in a democracy not ruled by religion. thats not laying ur blood down blindly but defending personal beliefs. BUT NOT IF WE NUKE THEM..

  • this is fucking retarded... we try to stop them from making a nuke with nukes? this is ridiculous, what wrong with a conventional war? i dont want more nuclear fallout, everyones saying were so advanced y do we need to use nukes? hvnt jews had enough genocide, now they want to dish it?

    before 1945 and chernobyl cancer rates were 55000 times less common... and they want to nuke again... for fuck sakes, raise taxes on cars for damage to the atmosphere and than launch nukes.. something fishy

  • Anyway,as the saying goes..

    "Im' not Afraid of Iran,Im' Afraid of the Americans Who Control Them"

  • Fred....are You actually S4T trying to boost his page by Comment Stats.??

  • for Gods sake why are they waiting till they get a nuke bomb Iran now america needs to grow a pair of balls nuke iran and mecca now

  • I hate how the media portrays Iran as insane and evil for wanting nuclear weapons. It's thoroughly dishonest. I don't like the Iranian government but if I were Iranian I would want nuclear weapons for my country. The USA has demonstrated itself to be a significant threat by attacking and invading two of Iran's neighbors (Iraq and Afghanistan). Having nukes would almost certainly guarantee Iran's future safety.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    So the big announcement was that iran is refining uranium and was lying about how pure they were getting it???

    THATS IT???

    We have known that for months.

    BTW Iran has used every weapon it has ever developed. Them having nukes almost ensures world war 3.

  • Frednoname, my point is that what Iran is doing is perfectly rational. If Iran were fully democratic and secular they would be taking the same actions to defend themselves (including lying about refining uranium). The way the media has portrayed this is deliberately misleading. It stinks of the drumbeat to war that I've already witnessed in my country (the USA) several times already.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    I live in the USA. The media has been against any attack on Iran for years. I have heard from the left that we will attack this year, every year since 2003. Point is if Iran gets a nuke, Israel will attack because they can not allow the people who arm hezbolah and hamas to have a nuke.

    Iran getting a nuke ensures a massive middle eastern war. There is no way arround that.

    I don't see obama doing anything that will stop them either.

  • @frednoname1

    And no, I don't want that war, but we will be in it because we are in Iraq and Iran will close the striaght of humoz.

  • Frednoname, I'm going to stick to my main point because addressing all of what you've said would take more time then I have right now. Isn't it rational for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons given recent history and if we don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons shouldn't we be dealing with the legitimate concerns that the Iranian government has? Put the shoe on the other foot. Why should they trust us?

  • @TemporaryProphet

    It is not rational to advance a policy that ensures war.

  • frednoname, that's your assertion. Do you really think the Iranians believe they are making war (nuclear war that would destroy their country utterly) a certainty? It's more likely that they think they are securing their future.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    Yes, I do. We are talking about the same people who think suicide bombing is a good idea. The iranian people may feel diferently but they aren't running the country are they?

  • Frednoname, suicide bombing is a good idea as long as you aren't the one doing it. Having people willing to die for your cause is useful and religion is a powerful tool of propaganda. Also, our politicians lie all the time to get their agenda accomplished, why not ascribe the same strategies to the Iranians? We already know they lied about refining uranium.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    You are making a basic mistake about the Iranians that most people make.

    1/ They believe god will protect them.

    2/ They believe if they die they are better off if they die fighting thier gods enemy.

    Both are complete bullshit of course, but with those concepts in mind, you can see why they are quite willing to fight a genocidal war. Hell just look at the Iran Iraq war.

  • @frednoname1

    Yup..Those are exactly the same reasons American Soldiers and American Leaders give for the upper-hand in War.

    Your both Religious Extremists..the only difference being America has actually Killed Tens of Millions in the name of G-d and is currently enjoying its' longest unbroken spell of Death and Mutilation since WW2 and are looking forward to another 100 years of the same according to Your Government.

    Not a Leg to Stand on so You Break Other Peoples.

    Nice.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    You should not apply your values or general western values to the persian/muslim values. That would be as big a mistake as the misunderstanding of hitlers objectives in 1938, 1939.

  • Frednoname, Godwin's law? Really? OK, there were rational motives like territorial expansion, that motivated the Nazis. It wasn't only about white supremacy.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    Oh fuck godwins law. Get back to me when you are willing to talk instead of pulling stupid rules out your ass.

  • @frednoname1

    Some historial events match dispite who was involved. Gowins law. The argument of the weak minded.

  • No Frednoname, fuck you. There are plenty of examples you could use but you chose the Nazis. More importantly I responded to your point anyways. We were having a pretty good conversation despite our disagreement but you've ruined it with insults. That's too bad. Goodbye.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    I choose the nazis because thats what came to mind as the best example of people misunderstanding intentions.

    And of course you decided that it violated some weak minded rule of debate.

    Thanks for showing how little your mind is open. Thanks for showing how little historical understanding you have. Typical leftist idiot.

  • Frednoname, this is Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." I just pointed out your fulfillment of Godwin's law. I thought I was being funny and meant no offense. However, your out of proportion angry response makes me conclude that you are one of those people who can't have a civil conversation with someone who thinks differently then you. Like I said before. That's too bad.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    It is a weak minded rule that lazy fools use to avoid debate. If thats you then the fuck you is well deserved. Ignoring German history from 1932 to 1945 might suit some ignorant people because they think it proves some mindless point but I don't ignore it.

    I react badly to idiots.

  • Frednoname, WW2 is fascinating but it's gotten to the point where I could bring up any controversial subject and someone will say that's just like what the Nazis did. I spent years talking to my grandfather (you'd have dismissed him as a "Typical leftist idiot") about his experiences as a soldier during World War 2 and I learned a lot. He made it real to me. (cont.)

  • (cont.) I don't have a lot of patience with people who use the events of WW2 as a cheap way to make a point. That's what you were doing whether you intended it or not. I tried to make my irritation clear gently and humorously but you responded with toxic rage. I'm sure you don't care about any of this though. I don't honestly know why I bother talking to anyone on the internet anyways. Nobody ever listens.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    Im' Hearing You Bud.

    Fred appears to be Fishing for Something.

  • @BrodyLuv2

    No you are just paranoid and for some reason support peoples whos founding charters call for genocide and ethnic cleansing.

  • @frednoname1

    Thats' a Total load of Rubbish and You know it.

    And I really dont' like being accused of supporting the Genocide of ANYBODY.

    I am now more than sure you are spending your whole time Shilling on posts that just scratch the surface dirt off of the blanket lies that cover one of the longest ongoing War Crimes of the Wests Strategic Placed Eastern Europeans that Squat the land of others by means of the worst types of State Terrorism.

    Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing are Israels Passion.

  • @BrodyLuv2

    Israel has never done any of that and you would know it if you bothered to do any independant research what so ever. Hamas, however, put the destruction of every jew in israel into thier founding charter. You seem to be cool with that.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    Fine ignore history. God damn idiot. You aren't worth talking too anyway if you can't understand history.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    And if you want to know why I get angry with the "godwins law" cop out, its because people who can't be bothered to read and understand the actual point I was making sees the reference to nazis and ignores everything else. When my point was actualy about the western powers not understanding a forgien culture. But that would have taken looking beyond your bigotry.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    Whoopeee my grandfather got activated in 1939. New Zealand Army reserves.

  • @TemporaryProphet

    You hate how the media portrays Iran as insane? Is it a thoroughly dishonest "portrayal" to report that Ahmadinejad said "soon the Zionist regime will disappear?" and then went on to say it was very attainable and very soon. Or that the Holocaust never happened? He is not a citizen like you or me. Next thing you'll be telling us that Kim Jong-il is just misunderstood. Believe it or not, there are rogue nations. There are good people and there are bad people in this world.

  • moosepok, there's a lot more gray then there is good and bad. Our motives are not entirely good and Iran's motives are not entirely bad. The world is a complex place. Most conflicts are not as simple as good versus evil.

  • Bomb Hillary!

  • What big announcement is in 2 days?

  • uh oh....

  • You people want to know who your biggest enemy is? Turn on the "news". It is the propaganda machine, and every single talking bag of shite that tells you what America thinks. What America "cares" about. These S.O.B.s are your enemy. They are the enemy of mankind. NO need to look further.Them and the beasts that fluoridate and drug your water. Next, the "education" system that brainwashes your children.Screw voting. Screw revolution. Screw the banks.And SCREW ORGANIZED RELIGION!!

  • @rvlqcitizen

    "And SCREW ORGANIZED RELIGION!! "

    so then your saying screw iran?

    The education system in America teaches that it's ok to not be religious. That even not believing in god is ok.

    In iran if you don't follow the religion of the country, they kill you.

  • YUP! Screw organized religion. Fanatics all. All sides. "Christians" would do the SAME DAMNED THING AS MUSLIMS IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT. Nothing has changed since they were burning non-believers at the stake. The church only pays lip service to the "msg of love". It is a thin veneer.

  • Good sir, a naval blockade on Iran would make China their defacto exclusive trading partner thanks to an oil & natural gas pipeline that runs through Turkmenistan. I question the legitimacy of all of his sources if he doesn't recognize that.

  • Where did we here this shit before? Oh, that's right.... Sadaam, Iraq WMD's. Take a look at a map and you;ll see that Iran is smack dab in the middle of our 2 other wars!

    Fox news-Propaganda central for the US..

  • Boycott all Israeli Product....I think its' time We All Place Our own Individual Sanctions on Israel.

  • No one approves of your Islamic Jihad bone smoking tactics BrodyLuv2.

  • @kretinkooper

    The only Bones Ive' seen smokin' are those of Arab Women,Children and Men as a result of the oh so Holy and Beautiful White Phosphorous dropped on them by the "Kill Kill Kill to Stay Alive" Mentalists' that are Squating the Holy Land claiming they're Jewish..Whatever that means.

  • @BrodyLuv2

    White Phosphorous is a legal weapon.

    So you support the genocide of Israelis?

  • @frednoname1

    So are Nuclear Weapons and DU Tipped Rounds..Whats Your Point?..Plus WP is Only Legal under certain use provisions.

    And how then do you Jump to such a dispicable question of support for Israelis??

    The problem seems to be as told by an Israeli Professor in the Jerusalem Post that in order for the Fake State of Israel to remain they would have to "Kill Kill Kill" to exsist as a Country..That implys that the whole Notion of a Eastern European Jewish Occupation is a Foul Misdeed.

  • @BrodyLuv2

    Corr.

    "And then how do You jump to such a dispicable question of do I support the Genocide of Israelis"

  • @BrodyLuv2

    So what is your solution? Is it a final one?

  • @frednoname1

    Come along now! ..Thats' Just Silly and You know it..I conclude that You are Just Fishing on here trying to Seek and then Irate some Seriously Biggoted "Anti-Semite"..You dont' have one of those here Fred,if thats' Your Game.

    Over.

  • @BrodyLuv2

    No seriously, you seem to want the jews out of Israel, so what is your plan??

  • @frednoname1

    You show me yours and I'll show you mine..

    I would like to know what you may have in mind for a Peaceful Solution as its' obvious there is a huge Problem that affects the Whole Worlds' Potential Stability as well as the ongoing Horrors and upcoming invasion of Gaza and Lebanon ..One that doesnt' Include the Ongoing need for "Kill Kill Kill"..

  • @BrodyLuv2

    Simple. The Palestinians and the Israelis agree to 2 states based on the current border and sign a binding peace treaty with the muslims left in charge of the temple mount. The UN would monitor the border.

  • @frednoname1

    Well..Then we are at Peace.

    That and some kind of reparations for the displaced and hopefully ..Viola!!

    Lets hope The ones with the Big Guns are as good at Diplomacy as we have just been.