You are awesome, Unlike some Richard Cranium's you do this as a profession and know absolutely what is best and for that I thank you for sharing and enlightening us horse lovers with your healthy knowledge. Thanks 4 dat.
This is how i approach all strange & new situations with my youngster. It doesn't matter if you have to sit there 10 minutes or an hour, don't give in!
It clearly works as shown in this video, the horse is straight back in within seconds.
This is amazing. Less than 10 minutes to get her over it? You are incredible! Took me 45 minutes to get my mom's filly over a small crick. Using the same type of method, but on the ground. After LOTS of big rearing, then getting backed up halfway across the large yard we were in after almost striking me with her hoof, and LOTS of patience on my part, she decided it was MUCH easier to jump the damn thing! My gelding loved it, though, as my mom was grazing him as I was dealing with her silly mare!
Thanks for a great lesson Endo, this really helped me to be much more persistant with my horses and to stop avoiding areas they didn't like. Guess what??? My scaredy cat horse who used to loathe one particular gateway, he used to leap through it, shy through it, hold his breath through it, get on the other side and about have a heart attack...well now we cruise through there on a long rein and he's not worried at all. Didn't happen overnight but did happen! Thanks :)
I was going through this same experience today (and was busy keeping my OTTB pointed at a big puddle) and as he sniffed the surface he dropped to his knees! I gave a rather loud whoop as I was worried he was going to roll or something and he jumped back up, not really a great experience and I am afraid to say we didn't manage to make it through the puddle that day... my bad. Next time I'll make sure I have an hour at my disposal and won't give up (and hopefully he doesn't go down again....!)
Maybe it's just cuz it's kind of from a distance, but it seems your reins are really loose here. Is this the best way to deal with this problem, by offering a relaxed rein? It seems to me you're relinquishing control that would be vital should the horse choose to rear, spin and bolt.
Ok.here again to run my mouth.Would like to hear you and other prominant,effective trainers make a public opinion of the''wild horse races''that take place at rodeos.Search:Cheyenne wild horse race and Oklahoma prison rodeo(but not after u'v just eaten).
And for people who think this guy's to rough:watch that stuff and see what horses REALLY look like when their mentally abused. Keep up the great work and I hope u say something about that.
came across your vids a few days ago,had to email u to make sure u guys were ok after the quake(glad ur ok!)before i disagreed on something,don't get me wrong, LOVE most of ur stuff and as a track chick don't really have a problem w/ nat. horsemanship either, jus that its aimed at green people to take thier $,but here i would have used a judas horse to spare us all the drama and a horse won't become dependent on it as long as its not over used.Also:ugh.....see next comment.
hes like screw you, you want me to do what now! poor horse, but i do agree they need to get over the fear of the water, the horse i ride wont go in water unless he knows for sure i have a good seat on him, he doesnt want me falling off at all
I ride racehorses and educate young ones and I totally agree with every thing you have said and have demonstrated. You have managed to perfectly articulate everything I have alway believed when educating horses. What you said about focus and destraction by other horses I think also goes for having peole there with you. I find them distracting which takes my focus away from what I want to achieve with the horse. I think your work is very good and well said.
i really like your approach to this problem. Patience and perseverance win the battle. Obviously it works because the second time around the horse went through in less than a minute. I'm definitely going to use this approach when I encounter a water problem.
Not to give unwanted advice because you seem to handle it fine, but I work with eventing horses so we do a lot of work with getting horses used to water jumps from the cross country phase. One of the things I've found that works really well getting fresh horses into the water at first is having them follow another horse their familiar with who has no problem with the water. When the fresh horse sees that their friend is fine in the water, they're usually good to follow.
This method really works, my horse was actually scared of puddles, when it would rain she would run around in the paddock like crazy, but on a trail i tried this, and it took me half n hour or so, but i finally got her in, but it was deeper, and ended up gettin me wet as well as her (parents were so angry wen i came home wet) anyway, now she doesn't like them, but she doesnt go crazy around them. Thanks you really helped especially wen i was trying o compete n it had bein rainin.
My horse doesn't even walk through puddles. She would probably do the exact same thing as your horse was. With practice and time, she would probably get through it.
it rains alot where i stable my horse and he hates the puddles. everytime i have to get him out of the pasture he steps on me and freaks. it takes us about an hour to actually get out of the pasture and after that it takes even longer to clean him up :(
Realy wish more people would take time! I remember trying to get horse over a small ditch near the yard and stupidly tried on a day I was in hurry and guess what? yup wouldn't go! next day took sandwiches and a book and just kept asking quietly and he went and was never an issue again, He ended up eventing and the ditch issue never reared its head again.Guess he never thought about lions etc- we don't have many in Scotland mind you!! great stuff as always - you are a legend!
Lovely to see - I think for the doubters here, its worth pointing out you are never losing your rag or getting angry. Always just patiently, calmly but firmly persistant. Yes you give the horse no other option, but you let HER figure that out however long that takes her. Too many people will do two things here - sometimes one of them, sometimes both. Get angry and aggressive and give up because they didnt have the time or commitment to see this mental battle through.
yay! yay! yay!, so pleased to see other trainers out there who exhibit plain old commone sense. Not molly coddling, not too rough... I break and school sport horses, eventing and dressage, and often dispair at the views of "experts" who read a couple of books or had a horse once when they were twelve... Thank God you're around maybe Common sense will catch on like some of these other trendy "training" methods.
I love it, I love it, I love it!!!... Great!!. I saw your vids for the first time and thought yee haa!, there are some practical horse people left in this world, commonsense still exists... not too much molly coddling, and no unnecessary roughness. I school and break in sport horses professionally and just found relief that there are other people out there with common sense... YAY.. you've given me faith again!....hahaha
has this horse ever stepped into water before? i think i would start with a large flat puddle first, that expanse of water must have looked like the atlantic ocean to him! i notice he did not seem frantic to exit, almost dawdled along like he suddenly realized he kinda liked it!
"the round pen is a one way street, you hear of them going in, but not coming out" (i paraphrase) couldn't be more true... it pleases me to hear someone else say it!
I really enjoy watching your patience with horses. It shows your love and passion for the horse & not just what you want to gain unjustly from the animal. It is about relationship and trust between man & equine.
I once had an old sweet draft pony. Would do anything for me. She foundered badly & I had to bandage her hoofs to hold medication. Sugar refused for over an hour to let me bandage. With calm assertive energy I refused to quit. She relented & never said no again.
it's about the same principal for trailer loading too..no options..no turning around..no side way exits..just patience..and re-asking until the horse says..yeah..I don't really care as much as you do , and doesn't want to bicker about it any more (no real force required..just tenacity...and re- ask, re-ask re-ask :)great job as usual endo :)
Derel (from my "commercial-free" channel for school :) lol
I tried this with my horse (a standardbred) who until now was never good with water. it took me a while to get her in the water but it worked and now she doesn't hesitate. thank you so much! =]
I used this technique on my 12 y/o American Saddlebred mare. Not water, but a black plastic tarp hanging on a tree. It took 20 mins to get past it the 1st time. 5 the 2nd time. Nervous but didn't stop third time. Now, she has increased confidence and trust in me so she rarely spooks. When she does, she just locks up, looks, then goes. She hardly pays attention to things that terrified her 4 months ago. She's turned into a great trail horse! She's no longer headshy and has become quite social.
Great job. Good confident trainer, you know to handle those thoroughbreds. Patience and persistence, works every time with horses, good thing you weren't on an Arab, or you would have to have a heck of a lot more patience!
Thank god someone uses the same method as me!!..all the horsey people around here scoff at me when i take my time with getting the horse over one of its issues!,they say beat it,or get rid of it!..great job!!,this always works with my horses!! its always such an achievemnet when you succeed with your horse!!.
This is my opinion, I have studied with quite a few horsemanship people, Native American's and the psychology of a horse and believe it or not there is science behind horse behaviour. As I said this is just my opinion and it was nice to discuss this with you.
From what I saw with this horse he was quite Right Brained and extroverted, this means he was frightened. When you talk about 'firmly experiencing' can work with a Left Brained extrovert or introvert. Right Brained horses need to go real slow with lots of release and comfort. Pushing this type of horse can be harmful to his learning and in fact a RB horse cannot learn in that state of mind. Get him confident first. This as I've said before is just my opinion just as Endospink said it was his.
Good lord how do you enjoy horseback riding when you spend half the time assessing horse thoughts and brain sides? Endospink keeps things simple by taking the science out it and that's more than enough for 95% of us that just want to enjoy our horse riding.
I have to agree with what you said; If I insisted and pushed and pushed, my horse would probaby resist like this horse, then resort to rearing or bucking. He had 2 serious slip and falls in water before he was 3 1/2 yrs old, so he has fear. We work constantly at every opportunity (we live in high desert southern california, haha) even WET dirt where a puddle has nearly dried up scares him. He's getting better, but i know where his limit is--we just push the limit a little more each time.
Oh yeah, I wanted to add, the 1st accidents was when he was 18 mos. and was being backed out of a cement wash rack, he slipped completely down on his belly with all 4 legs splayed out like a dog would do! Pooor boy, he was amazingly unhurt. Then at 3 yrs old on a trail ride, he was jogging across a wash with about 6" water...my daughter was up and I was ponying him across with his dam. He was doing great so we started to jog and he slipped and fell all the way down and scrambled several seconds
Just because we know there aren't lions there, they do not...they live on instinct which is why they still have 'flight' in their feet. If you knew that you'd understand horses better. Most of the time they think WE are the predator because, lets face it, we are...and you just proved that by PUSHING this horse into water.
Seems you got that backwards, vannerhorse... Yes, horses live on instincts. No, you cannot compare horses to kids, their brains are entirely different. Where a kid might need comforting and "talking through", a horse needs to be shown the way and will readily and happily accept the decisions you make for them as opposed to the stress they face when they have to choose for themselves. What you're recommended is anthropomorphism and it is neither useful nor safe.
Vannerhorse, what exactly is instinct, in your opinion? Do you really think that a horse is born with the knowledge that it's ancestors gained through experience? Horses, and all other animals learn almost exclusively through experience. And if you don't experience it, you can't learn, which is why it's important to gently but firmly require the horse to experiene it, as endospink has done here. KillDee is right, you're anthropomorphising here.
You should also remember that horses are naturally worried by water as this is were a lot of them die due to things in the water or lions, cougars, wolves trapping them when their guard is down by the water. A little understanding of how they think goes a long way. Predators and prey don't think the same way and in the end the horse would 'want' to go into the water rather than being coersed into it! Think how cool that would be!
Ok, now you've just flown over the cookoo's nest. How many domesticated horses know lions exist? How many horses have seen another horse "Die" after going into water for that matter? You gotta stop watching re-runs of Born Free and Nation Geographic hun. This isn't Africa.
It was like pushing a child into an elevator that's claustraphobic and saying it would be alright...it's never alright, it just needs time, patience and no pushing to help keep the horse confident time and time again. With your method I think it would go through because 'it had to' for a while but the problem would resurface later on when the horse just couldn't take that pressure anymore.
The most important thing is the horses dignity, there was none here! Sorry, just my opinion.
Hun, it's water. Believe it or not horses can swim across dams and rivers, this was nothing. How many little kids are scared of escalators the first time and how how many go "Oh Crap" months or years later? How many horses go "Oh Crap" after being hosed and washed everyday? Sorry, but waiting for the horse to give the ok is overkill, YOU SHOW THEM IT'S OK!! and lets not even go down the time you have road, these are racehorses with paying owners not pets in the backyard for years.
sorry but your video was disturbing. You pushed and pushed and pushed this horse through thousands of it's thresholds. If you had just let the horse stand and face the obstacle, as long as it took, retreated and approached calmly or even got off and started wtih something smaller this horse would not have been pushed through what was worrying it.
Two of us were trail riding yesterday. The front horse has trouble with water. At the river I stayed back and repeated to my friend all of your advice here, especially the part about not letting the horse turn - it was hard for him because he wanted to be with my horse. But with some patience he crossed, and no more effort than you illustrate here. But like you said, it would have been better if he went alone. Good advice - thanks!!
I've been in such a situation before, hehe. It was the only one way to get home. I've been standing there for half an hour, it was getting dark, but after all the horse did go forward. Now he totally loves water. Weird horsy.
oh I have so been there. Found that this technique works so much better than even getting down and walking them by hand thru it. The crop never works - the forward leg and patience is the only thing thats ever worked for me also, it builds the MOST TRUST. My horses love WATER now. its a must for cross country.
Im glad there are riders out there that can be calm at times even if they may get frustrated! I know a guy who no matter what takes the 1st way (the can of Whoop Ass way). I was trying to shave my horses bridal path for the first time and he ripped apart my horses gums with a chain!! I havent let him deal with any of my horses since and never will again!!
I just want to say i tried your theroy out today on my TB mare (which will not do anything such as walk through water) and she ran backwards alot but i did exactly what you showed in the video and after 5mins she just walked straight through and once we got through i did it again 3 more times and im glad i was able to find the help =] thank you so much
I have a mare that was fond of the rear-spin-bolt when I started on her. We were done with that until the other day when we came across water in a small creek, in a dimly lit forest around a fallen tree and I asked her to be the first horse in it. She refused and I used the crop on her and naturally failed. She didn't go, and I turned back. (yes, stupid)
Take her back, keep her head pointing the water and use your legs to let her know you want her to go forward. Do this until she goes in no matter how long it takes..
Absolutely brilliant...I have watched many of your videos and have gained more and more respect for you as time goes on. You are well spoken, you treat horses very humanely and as friends. You understand them very well and I really wish that there were more people like you around who have such patience for horses. Yet you do not pussyfoot around and you are very firm and command respect...well done all around!
Stay focus on the job and keep your horse's head facing the direction you want to go. A horse that rears at an obstacle is just trying to evade and more than likely this evasion has worked in the past. If the rears get higher your pushing too fast, back off and give the horse more time to take everything in. The horse will go once it runs out of tricks, you just have to be prepared to see it thru to the end.
I think you did a good job, the horse got into the water & was confident. And I love what you said about the easy way vs. the hard way! The hard way is better & in the long run, it turns into the easy way :) I don't agree with everything you said, but hey, what you did helped the horse through this problem AND their dignity was still there. I do PNH (I'm a sinner. I know.) and I know you dislike it, but you do seem to have the same non-violence philosophy as it.
Your not a sinner until you get tunnel vision and start preaching PNH. I don't have time to use NH techniques with most of these TB's so I have to adapt and use what ever gets results in the short time I have. Stay open minded and you'll excel. BTW, I don't dislike PNH or NH, I dislike getting flamed by the followers that comment without knowing what little options I have..
I had a problem with my horse and balloons on a gate a few days ok. What made it worse was my mum had her horse out as well and made me follow her past. I really wanted to try and work it out but I couldn't and im not allowed to go out by myself so i can attempt it again :(
Haha first time my aunties horse hit a water trap, it took a bit of time but eventually he did it. After getting used 2 the traps he thought all water on the ground was only a few inches deep. He learnt otherwise when i went 2 take him throught the dam, i lost his head and he took of through it. Needless 2 say, we both came out drenched and he was a little more cautious about water.
Honestly this video really woke me up a little...in fact I watched it at a good time, I went to work my mare after watching and she started acting like a real piece of work...normally I'd of gotten off and done some ground work, but then I thought...hell no, I can stick this out, it's a riding issue...and it worked! So kudos again to you I really appreciate these videos...sometimes all horse owners need a wake up call...thanks!
But endospink.. where is your $200 bridle?! And patented parelli rope halter? Did you get in touch with the horse's horsenality before attempting this?! Tsk tsk! Hahahaha. ;DDD
"What happens today will determine the thickness of the door next time" - that sums it ALL up! We should get that imprinted on T-shirts and saddle pads so we never forget it.
Perfect Paul. Glad your showing real horsemanship. A trainer I once respected came to "help" get a horse into the round pen that had 10 inches of water at the door. When she started whipping, I had to stop her and I never thought of her the same. I got the horse in even though it took twenty min alone.
That would be the "Whoop ass" method..lol It's the easy way but not too effective if you haven't got the timing right. How's the battle over there ? Any luck lately ?
Getting some racing partnerships together. I am not risking MY money. LOL. JUST KIDDING. I tell the owners, a trainer should own at least 20% so they don't get accused of making money off "day rate". If that is possible, someone tell me how. ????
We plan on racing at the Colonial Downs meet in Virginia.
Keep showing people the right way to do things and let me know when that USB drive is ready. Awesome idea!
Hey Paul. Great vid. People used to try and make me force my horse through puddles but it would be one step at at time. Your method works very well. I myself have been using similar for years.
Another good vid Paul! I spent the weekend outside riding at the barn this weekend, it's in Eastern NY the snow is melting and there are a ton of HUGE puddles. I'm schooling a horse for some people there and I was told he didn't do water. Ten minutes later he did by using the same method. They were shocked when they walked out to me trotting and cantering through them. The horse was having a blast splashing mud on his white coat. :)
This is the exat same way I get my horses into the water. Usually I have a pond I'm trying to get them in. This way I just have them walk around the rim of the pond. I turn them into the pond towards the water. Sooner or later, I get them in the water. No backing up just walking along the side and turning into towards the water. But you can't really do that here so good job Paul once again!! =))
How I would LOVE for the "trainer" who beat my horse onto a trailer to see this, after I nearly had him on it completely with the same approach. No fancy stuff, no ropes, no beating, just persistent patience. Ugh. But I was only 17, so why should she have listened to me when I said it would work, just give me a minute? Oh lord, it still makes me so angry. >:( Actually I can think of many people who ought to see this.
Thank you for an excellent, excellent demonstration.
And, I'd also like to say that I didn't actually work with it for two years because I wasn't confident with my ability at that point and she would rear up even having to touch water in her paddock, on her own terms. So, it was a lot of work but we've both come through successful! (:
All that I would like to say is that you are officially my hero. Good on you for everything you're doing and good luck for the future!
When it comes to something like this, my horse was traumatized by having to wade waist deep through icy water where there were ice layers below the surface that she had to break through. It took me two years to get her to be able to cross water again. But it was exactly like you were talking about with the doors. Only we were at the very thick door.
Hiya, I've been here 14 years. There are a few young horses wasting away on farms because they didn't get sold might be able to get hold of and give the a chance. I like challenges and don't give up easy, there isn't many I can't do anything with, I just change my gameplan till I find one that works for both of us..
Thank you sooo much for this. You know already I admire your techniques. I have slowly been regaining confidence to take my Off Track TB out on rides, and we've started to face new things- like water, big steps down etc- seems the key is persistence, like you said if it takes an hour then so be it! No real trick really! So cheers for that! :)
He'll go for you, every horse has a line they go to before the give in. Take them to the line and get your confidence back. You always had it in you ok, I just pointed you in the right direction.
Absolutely right about the line, I think it'll be a fantastic confidence builder for the both of us! Keep an eye out for my water video response soon ;)
haha at first i was like WTF why is there such a huge sound delay. man thats so frustrating to watch but i learnt HEAPS watching that so THANKS lol and doesnt it just piss you off wen u go in the second time and its like there was so problem at all. but great job that was really interesting :)
I actually had a friend refer to her goats as very similar to autistic children. Yes, those are goats but I think it can apply to horses as well.
Her comment was that goats don't filter out information from one experience to the next. They experience it all with all their senses and that they thrive well on routine.
I believe horses to be very similar and if we can remember that then we can keep ourselves on our toes at all times and be less surprised by an explosion.
bravo zulu to you !!! Been awaiting some more videos from you.. Great concept..and I agree totally. Water can be a challenge for some... mine.. didnt care about what was under her feet... she did care about the cart coming at her, though.. But...You did a great job with her!! Now she can do anything>>.
I need the 'down the river' effect, else mine will try to JUMP it. Heee, heeee!
You should make this one a 'challenge' vid, Endo. :~)
Good point for riders every where... take it one little challenge at a time. Pretty soon you can handle them all. Pick your battles wisely and all ways go IN to WIN. YAY!
This was actually taken last summer thats why its still green. I probably had a few other vids in the woodwork but I have over 900GB of space on the PC and the vid files are scatered everywhere..lol
paul, what would be your suggestion be to introduce a horse to water without heading straight to the trails where it's usually encountered. obviously most of us don't have that awesome fancy water thing you got there(buy me one? =]) lol so what could i do or make to introduce my horse?
Endo:
You are awesome, Unlike some Richard Cranium's you do this as a profession and know absolutely what is best and for that I thank you for sharing and enlightening us horse lovers with your healthy knowledge. Thanks 4 dat.
Grah
DJGRAH 3 months ago
This is how i approach all strange & new situations with my youngster. It doesn't matter if you have to sit there 10 minutes or an hour, don't give in!
It clearly works as shown in this video, the horse is straight back in within seconds.
Thumbs up from me! :)
UnstoneHorse 4 months ago
This is amazing. Less than 10 minutes to get her over it? You are incredible! Took me 45 minutes to get my mom's filly over a small crick. Using the same type of method, but on the ground. After LOTS of big rearing, then getting backed up halfway across the large yard we were in after almost striking me with her hoof, and LOTS of patience on my part, she decided it was MUCH easier to jump the damn thing! My gelding loved it, though, as my mom was grazing him as I was dealing with her silly mare!
BarebackRider13 8 months ago
Thanks for a great lesson Endo, this really helped me to be much more persistant with my horses and to stop avoiding areas they didn't like. Guess what??? My scaredy cat horse who used to loathe one particular gateway, he used to leap through it, shy through it, hold his breath through it, get on the other side and about have a heart attack...well now we cruise through there on a long rein and he's not worried at all. Didn't happen overnight but did happen! Thanks :)
TheAstCat 8 months ago
I was going through this same experience today (and was busy keeping my OTTB pointed at a big puddle) and as he sniffed the surface he dropped to his knees! I gave a rather loud whoop as I was worried he was going to roll or something and he jumped back up, not really a great experience and I am afraid to say we didn't manage to make it through the puddle that day... my bad. Next time I'll make sure I have an hour at my disposal and won't give up (and hopefully he doesn't go down again....!)
marabsky 8 months ago
Maybe it's just cuz it's kind of from a distance, but it seems your reins are really loose here. Is this the best way to deal with this problem, by offering a relaxed rein? It seems to me you're relinquishing control that would be vital should the horse choose to rear, spin and bolt.
ShinyTsubasa 8 months ago
Ok.here again to run my mouth.Would like to hear you and other prominant,effective trainers make a public opinion of the''wild horse races''that take place at rodeos.Search:Cheyenne wild horse race and Oklahoma prison rodeo(but not after u'v just eaten).
And for people who think this guy's to rough:watch that stuff and see what horses REALLY look like when their mentally abused. Keep up the great work and I hope u say something about that.
kmphillips99 10 months ago
came across your vids a few days ago,had to email u to make sure u guys were ok after the quake(glad ur ok!)before i disagreed on something,don't get me wrong, LOVE most of ur stuff and as a track chick don't really have a problem w/ nat. horsemanship either, jus that its aimed at green people to take thier $,but here i would have used a judas horse to spare us all the drama and a horse won't become dependent on it as long as its not over used.Also:ugh.....see next comment.
kmphillips99 10 months ago
hes like screw you, you want me to do what now! poor horse, but i do agree they need to get over the fear of the water, the horse i ride wont go in water unless he knows for sure i have a good seat on him, he doesnt want me falling off at all
friesianlover1 10 months ago
haha that was really good would take a lot more than 8minutes to get my pony in there she is terrified of water LOL xx
zebadee321 11 months ago
I ride racehorses and educate young ones and I totally agree with every thing you have said and have demonstrated. You have managed to perfectly articulate everything I have alway believed when educating horses. What you said about focus and destraction by other horses I think also goes for having peole there with you. I find them distracting which takes my focus away from what I want to achieve with the horse. I think your work is very good and well said.
Nightingalesings1 1 year ago
i agree
nico4887 1 year ago
Horses have no depth perception, so even a puddle looks like a hole.
blazinghot18 1 year ago
horses are afraid of water cause they can´t see how deep it is...
TheMeJuLiE1992 1 year ago
i really like your approach to this problem. Patience and perseverance win the battle. Obviously it works because the second time around the horse went through in less than a minute. I'm definitely going to use this approach when I encounter a water problem.
iridetolive 1 year ago
Not to give unwanted advice because you seem to handle it fine, but I work with eventing horses so we do a lot of work with getting horses used to water jumps from the cross country phase. One of the things I've found that works really well getting fresh horses into the water at first is having them follow another horse their familiar with who has no problem with the water. When the fresh horse sees that their friend is fine in the water, they're usually good to follow.
ghettostarchild59 1 year ago
This method really works, my horse was actually scared of puddles, when it would rain she would run around in the paddock like crazy, but on a trail i tried this, and it took me half n hour or so, but i finally got her in, but it was deeper, and ended up gettin me wet as well as her (parents were so angry wen i came home wet) anyway, now she doesn't like them, but she doesnt go crazy around them. Thanks you really helped especially wen i was trying o compete n it had bein rainin.
emza0001 1 year ago
My horse doesn't even walk through puddles. She would probably do the exact same thing as your horse was. With practice and time, she would probably get through it.
EatinYellowSnow 1 year ago
it rains alot where i stable my horse and he hates the puddles. everytime i have to get him out of the pasture he steps on me and freaks. it takes us about an hour to actually get out of the pasture and after that it takes even longer to clean him up :(
katiepo5576 1 year ago
Realy wish more people would take time! I remember trying to get horse over a small ditch near the yard and stupidly tried on a day I was in hurry and guess what? yup wouldn't go! next day took sandwiches and a book and just kept asking quietly and he went and was never an issue again, He ended up eventing and the ditch issue never reared its head again.Guess he never thought about lions etc- we don't have many in Scotland mind you!! great stuff as always - you are a legend!
cazzie472 1 year ago
Lovely to see - I think for the doubters here, its worth pointing out you are never losing your rag or getting angry. Always just patiently, calmly but firmly persistant. Yes you give the horse no other option, but you let HER figure that out however long that takes her. Too many people will do two things here - sometimes one of them, sometimes both. Get angry and aggressive and give up because they didnt have the time or commitment to see this mental battle through.
killcrazy26 1 year ago
this is truly natural, patience and persistance. no magic tricks. in some way having the rails on each side does make it easier though
gemtwist49 1 year ago
well some horses love water.
whateva my horse want, say go around it, he can, i have no problem with it
thanks for sharing
battousaiblade 2 years ago
yay! yay! yay!, so pleased to see other trainers out there who exhibit plain old commone sense. Not molly coddling, not too rough... I break and school sport horses, eventing and dressage, and often dispair at the views of "experts" who read a couple of books or had a horse once when they were twelve... Thank God you're around maybe Common sense will catch on like some of these other trendy "training" methods.
tderider 2 years ago
I love it, I love it, I love it!!!... Great!!. I saw your vids for the first time and thought yee haa!, there are some practical horse people left in this world, commonsense still exists... not too much molly coddling, and no unnecessary roughness. I school and break in sport horses professionally and just found relief that there are other people out there with common sense... YAY.. you've given me faith again!....hahaha
tderider 2 years ago 4
what are you doing with youre hands??? xd
Nice ;)
SteffyyLovesRakker 2 years ago
has this horse ever stepped into water before? i think i would start with a large flat puddle first, that expanse of water must have looked like the atlantic ocean to him! i notice he did not seem frantic to exit, almost dawdled along like he suddenly realized he kinda liked it!
bayyliner 2 years ago 2
thats really amazing, and shows how problems can really be avoided down the road if people are just patient. :) awesome
thexashes 2 years ago
wow, thats so cool, i know a horse called Tipsey and hes TEERFIED OF WATER !! he wil not touch a puddle hahah thx for the advice
Number1HorseyGal 2 years ago
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oh wow! We have a mare named typsy.. pretty cool
lollypopkins12 1 year ago
wow that is amazing, my horse would have never gone through that even with you. is that horse yong? how old is that horse?
bethluvshorses 2 years ago
Very good and just how it is .Very very rare.
chelackie 2 years ago
I was just sitting in my chair like I was watching some random match xD
'Almost.. almost.. Aww, don't let him/her get back >:O
YESH- c'mon D:'
I'm glad that you've got much patience with horses, even though they're hella stubborn.
GoatBlaat 2 years ago
sensible horsemanship... surprisingly rare!
"the round pen is a one way street, you hear of them going in, but not coming out" (i paraphrase) couldn't be more true... it pleases me to hear someone else say it!
philburgess535 2 years ago
do you train in japan.
birdgirl10 2 years ago 2
I would open a can of whoop ass
herewefly 2 years ago
hahah. its funny that he said that.
DarcieHalleeButters 2 years ago
I really enjoy watching your patience with horses. It shows your love and passion for the horse & not just what you want to gain unjustly from the animal. It is about relationship and trust between man & equine.
I once had an old sweet draft pony. Would do anything for me. She foundered badly & I had to bandage her hoofs to hold medication. Sugar refused for over an hour to let me bandage. With calm assertive energy I refused to quit. She relented & never said no again.
MorganJServices 3 years ago 6
it's about the same principal for trailer loading too..no options..no turning around..no side way exits..just patience..and re-asking until the horse says..yeah..I don't really care as much as you do , and doesn't want to bicker about it any more (no real force required..just tenacity...and re- ask, re-ask re-ask :)great job as usual endo :)
Derel (from my "commercial-free" channel for school :) lol
BAequine 3 years ago 12
Open a can of Whoop-ass LMAO. I love your videos Paul
xduckehx 3 years ago 3
rotfl I was dieing when I heard that.
"2 ways we can do this, easy way and hard way.
Easy way: open a can of whoop-ass."
xD
xJumpItx 3 years ago 3
Looks like such a beautiful place :O
pikkparis 3 years ago
i want one of thosee lol
we tend to be oput riding about 40 mins away fdrom the yard when we 1st hit waterr n sumtimnes we hav reall problemms llol
xxxxxx
emchda 3 years ago
I want one of these at my farm!
cowgirl354 3 years ago
I tried this with my horse (a standardbred) who until now was never good with water. it took me a while to get her in the water but it worked and now she doesn't hesitate. thank you so much! =]
physcofairy94 3 years ago
I used this technique on my 12 y/o American Saddlebred mare. Not water, but a black plastic tarp hanging on a tree. It took 20 mins to get past it the 1st time. 5 the 2nd time. Nervous but didn't stop third time. Now, she has increased confidence and trust in me so she rarely spooks. When she does, she just locks up, looks, then goes. She hardly pays attention to things that terrified her 4 months ago. She's turned into a great trail horse! She's no longer headshy and has become quite social.
stuppg2 3 years ago 2
Great job. Good confident trainer, you know to handle those thoroughbreds. Patience and persistence, works every time with horses, good thing you weren't on an Arab, or you would have to have a heck of a lot more patience!
mammaoftwins04 3 years ago
Thank god someone uses the same method as me!!..all the horsey people around here scoff at me when i take my time with getting the horse over one of its issues!,they say beat it,or get rid of it!..great job!!,this always works with my horses!! its always such an achievemnet when you succeed with your horse!!.
eventingrox 3 years ago
Nicely done. I liked your approach to this.
Nyquil5 3 years ago
This is my opinion, I have studied with quite a few horsemanship people, Native American's and the psychology of a horse and believe it or not there is science behind horse behaviour. As I said this is just my opinion and it was nice to discuss this with you.
vannerhorse 3 years ago
Ok then. Have fun with your hula hoop...
JjGober 3 years ago
From what I saw with this horse he was quite Right Brained and extroverted, this means he was frightened. When you talk about 'firmly experiencing' can work with a Left Brained extrovert or introvert. Right Brained horses need to go real slow with lots of release and comfort. Pushing this type of horse can be harmful to his learning and in fact a RB horse cannot learn in that state of mind. Get him confident first. This as I've said before is just my opinion just as Endospink said it was his.
vannerhorse 3 years ago
Good lord how do you enjoy horseback riding when you spend half the time assessing horse thoughts and brain sides? Endospink keeps things simple by taking the science out it and that's more than enough for 95% of us that just want to enjoy our horse riding.
oldstockman 3 years ago
Actually, it sounds like it's Pat Parelli's opinion...
Funny thing about opinons.. (you know what they say)
But then there's actual scientific fact... hmmm.
JjGober 3 years ago
I have to agree with what you said; If I insisted and pushed and pushed, my horse would probaby resist like this horse, then resort to rearing or bucking. He had 2 serious slip and falls in water before he was 3 1/2 yrs old, so he has fear. We work constantly at every opportunity (we live in high desert southern california, haha) even WET dirt where a puddle has nearly dried up scares him. He's getting better, but i know where his limit is--we just push the limit a little more each time.
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
Oh yeah, I wanted to add, the 1st accidents was when he was 18 mos. and was being backed out of a cement wash rack, he slipped completely down on his belly with all 4 legs splayed out like a dog would do! Pooor boy, he was amazingly unhurt. Then at 3 yrs old on a trail ride, he was jogging across a wash with about 6" water...my daughter was up and I was ponying him across with his dam. He was doing great so we started to jog and he slipped and fell all the way down and scrambled several seconds
Italianiceisnice 3 years ago
Just because we know there aren't lions there, they do not...they live on instinct which is why they still have 'flight' in their feet. If you knew that you'd understand horses better. Most of the time they think WE are the predator because, lets face it, we are...and you just proved that by PUSHING this horse into water.
vannerhorse 3 years ago
Seems you got that backwards, vannerhorse... Yes, horses live on instincts. No, you cannot compare horses to kids, their brains are entirely different. Where a kid might need comforting and "talking through", a horse needs to be shown the way and will readily and happily accept the decisions you make for them as opposed to the stress they face when they have to choose for themselves. What you're recommended is anthropomorphism and it is neither useful nor safe.
theKillDeaGame 3 years ago 2
Vannerhorse, what exactly is instinct, in your opinion? Do you really think that a horse is born with the knowledge that it's ancestors gained through experience? Horses, and all other animals learn almost exclusively through experience. And if you don't experience it, you can't learn, which is why it's important to gently but firmly require the horse to experiene it, as endospink has done here. KillDee is right, you're anthropomorphising here.
JjGober 3 years ago
You should also remember that horses are naturally worried by water as this is were a lot of them die due to things in the water or lions, cougars, wolves trapping them when their guard is down by the water. A little understanding of how they think goes a long way. Predators and prey don't think the same way and in the end the horse would 'want' to go into the water rather than being coersed into it! Think how cool that would be!
vannerhorse 3 years ago 7
Ok, now you've just flown over the cookoo's nest. How many domesticated horses know lions exist? How many horses have seen another horse "Die" after going into water for that matter? You gotta stop watching re-runs of Born Free and Nation Geographic hun. This isn't Africa.
endospink 3 years ago 31
@endospink it's still instinct. but in a nutshell, you are correct.
RidingTemptation 7 months ago
@endospink HAHAHAAHAHAH
miamayer1 2 weeks ago
There are lions and cougars and wolves in the water? Whoa, I'm never going skinny dipping again!
JjGober 3 years ago 3
It was like pushing a child into an elevator that's claustraphobic and saying it would be alright...it's never alright, it just needs time, patience and no pushing to help keep the horse confident time and time again. With your method I think it would go through because 'it had to' for a while but the problem would resurface later on when the horse just couldn't take that pressure anymore.
The most important thing is the horses dignity, there was none here! Sorry, just my opinion.
vannerhorse 3 years ago 9
Hun, it's water. Believe it or not horses can swim across dams and rivers, this was nothing. How many little kids are scared of escalators the first time and how how many go "Oh Crap" months or years later? How many horses go "Oh Crap" after being hosed and washed everyday? Sorry, but waiting for the horse to give the ok is overkill, YOU SHOW THEM IT'S OK!! and lets not even go down the time you have road, these are racehorses with paying owners not pets in the backyard for years.
endospink 3 years ago 4
So requiring a horse to walk through water with a rider is not dignified, but making your horse step through a hula-hoop is?
JjGober 3 years ago
sorry but your video was disturbing. You pushed and pushed and pushed this horse through thousands of it's thresholds. If you had just let the horse stand and face the obstacle, as long as it took, retreated and approached calmly or even got off and started wtih something smaller this horse would not have been pushed through what was worrying it.
vannerhorse 3 years ago
cool:)
cheylover93 3 years ago
Two of us were trail riding yesterday. The front horse has trouble with water. At the river I stayed back and repeated to my friend all of your advice here, especially the part about not letting the horse turn - it was hard for him because he wanted to be with my horse. But with some patience he crossed, and no more effort than you illustrate here. But like you said, it would have been better if he went alone. Good advice - thanks!!
buzzterbrown 3 years ago
Great stuff! Can you do a video for loading onto trailers - while mounted? :-)
buzzterbrown 3 years ago
I've been in such a situation before, hehe. It was the only one way to get home. I've been standing there for half an hour, it was getting dark, but after all the horse did go forward. Now he totally loves water. Weird horsy.
acloudabovemybed 3 years ago
as usual endo, well done! glad to finally see a trainer thats not too proud to wear the protective clothing etc!
good stuff!
wolfydan121 3 years ago
oh I have so been there. Found that this technique works so much better than even getting down and walking them by hand thru it. The crop never works - the forward leg and patience is the only thing thats ever worked for me also, it builds the MOST TRUST. My horses love WATER now. its a must for cross country.
bgypsyd 3 years ago
Im glad there are riders out there that can be calm at times even if they may get frustrated! I know a guy who no matter what takes the 1st way (the can of Whoop Ass way). I was trying to shave my horses bridal path for the first time and he ripped apart my horses gums with a chain!! I havent let him deal with any of my horses since and never will again!!
FreeBeLuver 3 years ago 3
Great! Very inspiring! I'm going to use this example next time I go trail riding. chris
WindMountain 3 years ago
I just want to say i tried your theroy out today on my TB mare (which will not do anything such as walk through water) and she ran backwards alot but i did exactly what you showed in the video and after 5mins she just walked straight through and once we got through i did it again 3 more times and im glad i was able to find the help =] thank you so much
Zzluv4horsesZz 3 years ago
I have a mare that was fond of the rear-spin-bolt when I started on her. We were done with that until the other day when we came across water in a small creek, in a dimly lit forest around a fallen tree and I asked her to be the first horse in it. She refused and I used the crop on her and naturally failed. She didn't go, and I turned back. (yes, stupid)
Now what? Help...
pierpaolis 3 years ago
Take her back, keep her head pointing the water and use your legs to let her know you want her to go forward. Do this until she goes in no matter how long it takes..
endospink 3 years ago
Where is this place located?
xxfasterthanuthinkxx 3 years ago
I'll give you a hint...
Sushi
endospink 3 years ago
Absolutely brilliant...I have watched many of your videos and have gained more and more respect for you as time goes on. You are well spoken, you treat horses very humanely and as friends. You understand them very well and I really wish that there were more people like you around who have such patience for horses. Yet you do not pussyfoot around and you are very firm and command respect...well done all around!
emilycw23 3 years ago
Did she ever bump her butt on the rail?
hsgotwal 3 years ago
What if your horse starts to rear?
SetMeAfyre 3 years ago
Stay focus on the job and keep your horse's head facing the direction you want to go. A horse that rears at an obstacle is just trying to evade and more than likely this evasion has worked in the past. If the rears get higher your pushing too fast, back off and give the horse more time to take everything in. The horse will go once it runs out of tricks, you just have to be prepared to see it thru to the end.
endospink 3 years ago
I'll have to try that! Thanks very much!
SetMeAfyre 3 years ago
I think you did a good job, the horse got into the water & was confident. And I love what you said about the easy way vs. the hard way! The hard way is better & in the long run, it turns into the easy way :) I don't agree with everything you said, but hey, what you did helped the horse through this problem AND their dignity was still there. I do PNH (I'm a sinner. I know.) and I know you dislike it, but you do seem to have the same non-violence philosophy as it.
Dizero 3 years ago
Your not a sinner until you get tunnel vision and start preaching PNH. I don't have time to use NH techniques with most of these TB's so I have to adapt and use what ever gets results in the short time I have. Stay open minded and you'll excel. BTW, I don't dislike PNH or NH, I dislike getting flamed by the followers that comment without knowing what little options I have..
endospink 3 years ago
I had a problem with my horse and balloons on a gate a few days ok. What made it worse was my mum had her horse out as well and made me follow her past. I really wanted to try and work it out but I couldn't and im not allowed to go out by myself so i can attempt it again :(
FlyingHigherForever 3 years ago
Haha first time my aunties horse hit a water trap, it took a bit of time but eventually he did it. After getting used 2 the traps he thought all water on the ground was only a few inches deep. He learnt otherwise when i went 2 take him throught the dam, i lost his head and he took of through it. Needless 2 say, we both came out drenched and he was a little more cautious about water.
SlicedPigsHeads 3 years ago
Honestly this video really woke me up a little...in fact I watched it at a good time, I went to work my mare after watching and she started acting like a real piece of work...normally I'd of gotten off and done some ground work, but then I thought...hell no, I can stick this out, it's a riding issue...and it worked! So kudos again to you I really appreciate these videos...sometimes all horse owners need a wake up call...thanks!
TedescoArabians 3 years ago 2
But endospink.. where is your $200 bridle?! And patented parelli rope halter? Did you get in touch with the horse's horsenality before attempting this?! Tsk tsk! Hahahaha. ;DDD
sublimequine 3 years ago
I can't afford Pat's stuff so I just use a bridle and roller. Bling will only get you so far...lol
endospink 3 years ago
Well I guess you'll have to just get by with actually knowing what you're doing without needing ridiculously priced tack.. oh darn, right? Hahahaha.
sublimequine 3 years ago
"What happens today will determine the thickness of the door next time" - that sums it ALL up! We should get that imprinted on T-shirts and saddle pads so we never forget it.
Thanks for another excellent video.
1tempi 3 years ago 3
See...i dont get any of this fun...my horse thinks she's seen it all... no doors in her head...
carriagedork 3 years ago
Perfect Paul. Glad your showing real horsemanship. A trainer I once respected came to "help" get a horse into the round pen that had 10 inches of water at the door. When she started whipping, I had to stop her and I never thought of her the same. I got the horse in even though it took twenty min alone.
crockjock 3 years ago
That would be the "Whoop ass" method..lol It's the easy way but not too effective if you haven't got the timing right. How's the battle over there ? Any luck lately ?
endospink 3 years ago
Getting some racing partnerships together. I am not risking MY money. LOL. JUST KIDDING. I tell the owners, a trainer should own at least 20% so they don't get accused of making money off "day rate". If that is possible, someone tell me how. ????
We plan on racing at the Colonial Downs meet in Virginia.
Keep showing people the right way to do things and let me know when that USB drive is ready. Awesome idea!
Chris
Crocker Racing Stable Inc.
crockjock 3 years ago
Hey Paul. Great vid. People used to try and make me force my horse through puddles but it would be one step at at time. Your method works very well. I myself have been using similar for years.
madvoice 3 years ago
Another good vid Paul! I spent the weekend outside riding at the barn this weekend, it's in Eastern NY the snow is melting and there are a ton of HUGE puddles. I'm schooling a horse for some people there and I was told he didn't do water. Ten minutes later he did by using the same method. They were shocked when they walked out to me trotting and cantering through them. The horse was having a blast splashing mud on his white coat. :)
karenm1972 3 years ago
This is the exat same way I get my horses into the water. Usually I have a pond I'm trying to get them in. This way I just have them walk around the rim of the pond. I turn them into the pond towards the water. Sooner or later, I get them in the water. No backing up just walking along the side and turning into towards the water. But you can't really do that here so good job Paul once again!! =))
xDjx24 3 years ago
How I would LOVE for the "trainer" who beat my horse onto a trailer to see this, after I nearly had him on it completely with the same approach. No fancy stuff, no ropes, no beating, just persistent patience. Ugh. But I was only 17, so why should she have listened to me when I said it would work, just give me a minute? Oh lord, it still makes me so angry. >:( Actually I can think of many people who ought to see this.
Thank you for an excellent, excellent demonstration.
nelsonreed 3 years ago
Always great information and techniques in your vids, Endo! Thanks so much for keeping us up on what you're doing!
PainthorseKate81 3 years ago
And, I'd also like to say that I didn't actually work with it for two years because I wasn't confident with my ability at that point and she would rear up even having to touch water in her paddock, on her own terms. So, it was a lot of work but we've both come through successful! (:
bittersweet339 3 years ago
All that I would like to say is that you are officially my hero. Good on you for everything you're doing and good luck for the future!
When it comes to something like this, my horse was traumatized by having to wade waist deep through icy water where there were ice layers below the surface that she had to break through. It took me two years to get her to be able to cross water again. But it was exactly like you were talking about with the doors. Only we were at the very thick door.
bittersweet339 3 years ago
Hi paul!
Yeah,another video! I really LOVE all your videos ,there so great,they learn me a lot about horses... I hope you make much more videos!
But i had a fiew questions (& i'm sorry for the bad english but yes..)
-Do you live in Japan (always?)
-Do you have your own horse there?
-Was there a horse that you thought it would never go to get him 'good'?
& a question about my own horse,she's VERY nice alone,but once with other horses she's very irritating etc..
Hope you can help xx
delvo1994 3 years ago
Hiya, I've been here 14 years. There are a few young horses wasting away on farms because they didn't get sold might be able to get hold of and give the a chance. I like challenges and don't give up easy, there isn't many I can't do anything with, I just change my gameplan till I find one that works for both of us..
endospink 3 years ago
Thank you sooo much for this. You know already I admire your techniques. I have slowly been regaining confidence to take my Off Track TB out on rides, and we've started to face new things- like water, big steps down etc- seems the key is persistence, like you said if it takes an hour then so be it! No real trick really! So cheers for that! :)
Random181 3 years ago
He'll go for you, every horse has a line they go to before the give in. Take them to the line and get your confidence back. You always had it in you ok, I just pointed you in the right direction.
endospink 3 years ago
Absolutely right about the line, I think it'll be a fantastic confidence builder for the both of us! Keep an eye out for my water video response soon ;)
Random181 3 years ago
haha at first i was like WTF why is there such a huge sound delay. man thats so frustrating to watch but i learnt HEAPS watching that so THANKS lol and doesnt it just piss you off wen u go in the second time and its like there was so problem at all. but great job that was really interesting :)
Bolgie136 3 years ago
I actually had a friend refer to her goats as very similar to autistic children. Yes, those are goats but I think it can apply to horses as well.
Her comment was that goats don't filter out information from one experience to the next. They experience it all with all their senses and that they thrive well on routine.
I believe horses to be very similar and if we can remember that then we can keep ourselves on our toes at all times and be less surprised by an explosion.
PeachysKeen 3 years ago
bravo zulu to you !!! Been awaiting some more videos from you.. Great concept..and I agree totally. Water can be a challenge for some... mine.. didnt care about what was under her feet... she did care about the cart coming at her, though.. But...You did a great job with her!! Now she can do anything>>.
moonlit81 3 years ago
Good job!
I need the 'down the river' effect, else mine will try to JUMP it. Heee, heeee!
You should make this one a 'challenge' vid, Endo. :~)
Good point for riders every where... take it one little challenge at a time. Pretty soon you can handle them all. Pick your battles wisely and all ways go IN to WIN. YAY!
filly4billy2002 3 years ago
Oh Goodie.. i've been waiting for the water video.
I'll make a big water hole tomorrow.
Bella REFUSES to go thru water.
This ride should be full of shizzle, lmao
bella435 3 years ago
This was actually taken last summer thats why its still green. I probably had a few other vids in the woodwork but I have over 900GB of space on the PC and the vid files are scatered everywhere..lol
endospink 3 years ago
Hey Girl! You just bring Bella out here! She can tag along when me and Lando go wading through the massive puddles in the corn fields!
PainthorseKate81 3 years ago
Miss Bella Bella has taken on a new role of complete dead broke hoss, lol
She didn't give a hoot about the water, lol
bella435 3 years ago
Nice! Thank you for posting.
HeathercHolly 3 years ago
Yay! thanks for the treat of another great vid!
sunlei5 3 years ago
you show that horse whos boss!! great job!!!
apharedeemer 3 years ago
crap i should've watched it to the very end where you said dig a hole, my bad
cef12207 3 years ago
paul, what would be your suggestion be to introduce a horse to water without heading straight to the trails where it's usually encountered. obviously most of us don't have that awesome fancy water thing you got there(buy me one? =]) lol so what could i do or make to introduce my horse?
cef12207 3 years ago
nice job as usual Boss!!!
getgorgeousnow 3 years ago
awsome vid..ur completey right!
rosierocksurworld 3 years ago
Wish everyone could have a bit of your common sense, Paul..the door metaphor - you're absolutely right. Shout it from the mountain tops!!
JjGober 3 years ago
Once again a great video. Good job too :)
I just feel compelled to agree, you can't give up when you're trying to get your point across, just makes things worst.
cotoncandie 3 years ago
great video!!!
WyckedWyccan 3 years ago