I can see why they cut this confrontation. It does not really fit with grunts personality since he never cared about the genophage and does not hate salarians.
Precisely what @Dragodemon000 said! Would have LOVED to have this, the whole 'bringing people together' thing was one of my favorite aspects of the mission. The Jack & Miranda catfight, the Tali & Legion argument... They added a new layer of depth to the characters, and I would have loved to have seen that with these two. Of course, I would've also loved a snarkfest with Garrus and Thane ending somewhere in a pool of Jello, but hey.
This sounds a lot like the sort of conflict one could expect after doing both crew members' loyalty missions (an argument of similar measures manifested after Jack and Miranda's missions).
...too bad the dialogue and conflict didn't get put in place, the dynamics made the crewmates' conflicting views and need to unite feel all the more prominent. An epic feeling, and the only time we ended up experiencing it was in a biotic catfight.
I guess they cut it because there are already two arguments? Having to deal with a third would be irritating if you didnt have the required persuasion points.
im Glad Bioware cut this dialog actually. In retrospect to the rest of the game this dialogue is to far out of character for Grunt, Being a clone and all. Grunt comes off too me as a Krogan that knows he is a clone and feels he needs to earn the right to be called a Krogan, and also earn the right to be unhappy about all the things the krogan are unhappy about.
ha i never even heard of this dialogue ever! this is why i love this game! ive played it like 8 times and new things like this always pop up. LOVE IT!
@lildickheads You haven't heard it in the game and you never will. It's cut content extracted from the game files. That's why there's that "Unused" in the title.
paragon/renegade system is broken, it should have been more even. we have certain situations that only use renegade option dialogues like in the art discussion with morinth
@aaron75fy Here's how that conversation works: if you give a wrong answer, you then get a shot at keeping her interest using either a Paragon or Renegade persuasion. However, which kind you get depends on the subject and, sometimes, which wrong answer you picked, but in the end, it evens out between the two. You just have to play around and explore the various choices there.
@didymos1120 HERE'S how it works, trying to get enough of both to get a lot of the necessary points to do the special options in the field makes it harder to reconcile with the hurt team member. the system is broken. you can only go full paragon/renegade, the system should have allowed for both. i know how it works i'm saying it doesn't work the way it should
@didymos1120 the gripe is in order to get enough of the paragon points the renegade has to be sacrificed, that means when i talk about space travel or music i'm fine. however i can't choose the renegade option for the art part of the conversation. has comprehention dawned now?
@aaron75fy You wouldn't need either Renegade or Paragon to help with Morinth. The system isn't broken, you just don't know how to keep a bad girl's interest.
@v01cen268 the system IS broken. how many times do I have to say it? the system shouldn't be influenced by the choices I make but the level of paragon/renegade I have. but it forces me to choose between the two so I can't influence dialogues the way I like. really, it's like having a conversation with a rock with you
@aaron75fy no the fact that you can't have full paragon and renegade is not a break in the system. i think that if you could have full paragon and renegade the game wouldn't be as interesting because then you wouldn't be put into those situations were you have to make a sacrifice of some kind
@XanderVez I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING FULL RENEGADE AND PARAGON, I'M TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FILLING PARAGON OR RENEGADE AND ENDING UP WITH ONLY BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE THE SPECIAL OPTIONS ON THE BAR YOU FILL UP. THAT LIMITS THE MAJORITY OF THE CONVERSATION CHOICES IN FEAR YOU WILL TIP THE SCALES TOO MUCH AND CAN'T USE IT TO PACIFY THE TWO SQUAD CONFLICTS THAT HAPPEN
@RXdash78 samara (jusicar) has 2 things that would prevent that (1) her black and white view states unjust acts like sidonus' must be punished (2) the oath to shepard to abide with decisions. if anything she'd tell garrus he was too lenient with his payback
@etocadet i think it was cut because grunt would straight up just try to kill Mordin, likewise with Mordin vs Grunt. Unlike Jack who's bloodthirsty due to her upbringing Grunt just likes to fight.
The thing is, if you had one of these every other loyalty mission you wouldn't have enough paragon/renegade points to stop the argument without losing someone's loyalty.
@ninetailedhollow5 It'd work fine, because persuasions aren't based on a pre-set target number. They're all based on percentages of total available points. That's why it's easier to pass some by doing them much earlier in the game.
Would that not work the same way? "Oh, I have 7/100 total available paragon points. That's 7%" -low whether the system is based on points or percentages.
@ninetailedhollow5 OK, say one is 70% P/R. Do it early in the game, and it's not that hard because you've probably run into most or all the opportunities for gaining P/R points. Now do it much later in the game. Did you miss opportunities to get either P/R points along the way? Well, then you may not have 70% of one or the other anymore. Have you been taking every opportunity but switching between Paragon and Renegade? Then you may have 50% in both (probably less due to failing checks).
They should have included that conflict. It makes 100% sense that it would be there, and considering that they threw in the fan-service conflict between Miranda and Jack, it's unfortunate. I think they also should have included one more conflict, but I'm not sure which characters it would have been between.
There should've been more, like Thane and Jacob, like what @LostOddity said. Kasumi and Samara, about how Kasumi's a thief and Samara will die fighting a criminal to protect the innocent. Zaeed and Garrus, although they're both vigilantes who fight mercs, it could be something about Zaeed's past and how he thinks Zaeed will rebuild the blue suns and turn on Shepard.
wait wtf....i thought there were only 2 conflict scenes.... tali about to blow legion to pieces and jack and miranda fixing to "tear out a bulkhead" in joker terms
@Sarokuthix Yes, there are. That's why this is called "Unused Mordin Vs. Grunt Dialogue". because it's not used in the final release. These are leftover audio files from cut content.
@didymos1120 ah, well good thing they didnt release it...cause i can barely get jack and mirandas loyalty with paragon shep...and with renegade i can barely get legion and talis loyalty
@Sarokuthix Thank Xbox 360's limited disc space for having them make the game the way it is. Original design of the game had a lot more in it. One example was you could recruit ANY person you like right from the start. Grand ol 360 and it's tiny limited disc space forcing the game to become sequential. Shoulda made 2 versions. 360 version and PC version. PC version woulda kicked ass.
@alexandercns Wrex and Mordin hm? I could see a conflict occur. Wrex wouldn't like Mordin but probably would not do anything until Mordin did something to put his people in danger, like withhold a genophage cure. Otherwise, hed probably just stay in his corner and toss snide remarks with Mordin in the elevators.
That's easily remedied from a game-maker's perspective. Lower the necessary paragon/ renegade requirement or have the amount for these confrontations scale based off how far along you are. Its not hard. I would have far preferred more confrontations. They make sense and give us character to character interaction, something that mass effect 2, for all its many characters lacks sorely.
Zaeed and Jack would be such "perfect" role models for Grunt.
Thane and Samara would be close friends since their alike ( both poetic, religious assassins and have parental issues)
I reckon that Jacob and Miranda are secretly sleeping with each other. Theres proberly a frank, cunning and suave side to Jacob that he only shows Miranda. And Miranda is a closet nympho. But it's all surface and their hiding their alter egos and doing a bad job at it.
@sjcobra84 They said that jacob and miranda used to mess around with each other, but then called it quits, and yeah after reading the stuff about miranda in the shadow broker quest, she's a closet nympho alright.
@twistedheat15 She's not a closet nympho, actually. Since you referenced the Shadow Broker, you'd know that miranda is sterile. She can't have children. Hence asking for clean medical records that would provide 'strong male seed'. Because she was grown by her father, and the vast amounts of DNA reconstruction she's had, she can't have a baby.
A conflict scene between Jacob and Thane would be useless. Because Thane and Jacob don't even argue after that. And they don't have a like except the father thing, which isn't good enough to draw anger.
Plus Jacob is nice, he wouldn't argue with a dying Drell..
I think that the reason this dialogue was removed was that it would've made earning everybody's loyalty harder. If there were three or four conflicts between crew members you probably wouldn't have enough paragon/renegade points so soon in the game.
@thez13223 By opening the files and searching around for them. Many gaming companies don't like when you open their files but I don't think Bioware really cares at this point because their game was held back so much by the 360... I really hate the 360 right now.
@BoJo858 Don't know but the only reason to do that is to purposely kill everybody on suicide mission cause you need him to be a tank. That would have killed my most my crew because I don't have any of the DLC characters.
@20dodge83ma Originally it was it is supposed to happen when you have done Mordin and Grunt's loyalty missons like the ones with Miranda and Jack and Tali and Legion. But it was cut from the game i dunno why i think there was one between Jacob and Thane too but idk
@Douchiemcgigglestein quite simply it would be irrelevant to the characters for the most part. if you pay attention to grunts dialogue you get the sense he doesnt care about the genophage, in fact he welcomes it. i believe at one point in time he says for every 1000 krogan unborn 1 strong krogan is born instead of 1000 weak krogan... well something like that. the thane and jacob thing is more or less pointless what are they gonna argue about assassins again it just wouldnt be compelling enough
Oh this is interesting...so they were going to include more conflicts between crewmates. Kind of wish they'd done this one between Grunt and Mordin, it sounds interesting.
i understand if grunt would be angry at mordin, i would have been angry at someone too if he/her gave my entire race a cancer! i would evetually go so far that i would rip his/her head of with my bare hands!
The conflict made sense. Okeer's personality imprints didn't work on Grunt. Upon joining clan Urdnot, Grunt found a reason to care about being krogan. His anger at Mordin's STG work would then be valid. I'm not sure why Bioware cut this.
@burnout21 probably because Mordin wouldn't have announced it to the ship, sure he would say he was STG and really he wouldn't have mentioned it to Grunt save his lips "or cloaca" being ripped off. I don't think even Sheperad would have mentioned it unless he wanted the conflict between the two. As for Jacob and Thane, honestly the beef ended as soon as Shep said, Thane is doing it for free, so really he can't be "bought" considering Thane is doing it because he wants to, not for money.
@burnout21 I read a comment that sold it for me. Mordin just isn't the type to take it personally. No mater what my Paragon shep said to him about his decision Mordin was always, ALWAYS willing to have a real, cohesive and rational discussion about it. And Grunt wouldn't argue with Mordin. He'd straight up start dismantling the lab. The only way the two could have stayed in character is if one ends up dead, Mordin wouldn't tolerate being physically threatened.
I don't know, maybe these dialogs are out of characters, but Mordin's capricious intonations are the best music for my ears =)))))
"Nothing to say to you. Talk to the Krogan, if you like." - (You mean talk to cloumsy, stupid and aggressive alien? Well, I'm talking with it right now...)
"Agr-e-ed." - (Just try not to b-e-e-e! )
Awwwww! So childish but still sweet))))))) Damn, how Mordin can combine an ice-cold killer and child in one so perfectly???? This character is so freaking balanced...
I would have liked to see more conflict scenes - like between Jacob and Thane maybe. They hardly got off to a good start, and considering both their loyalty quests were about bad fathers (Jacob having one and Thane being one), it would have made some sense.
Otherwise, it would've been nice to see some friendship scenes instead of conflict. I for one would have loved the idea of walking in on Grunt, Zaeed and Jack in the middle of a drinking game.
@danin900 Exactly. All the squadmates should be interacting. I'd help Kasumi with Jacob too XD. I mean, she has a bar in her quarters, she should make good use of it!
@LostOddity: They had things like that in DA2, and I thought they were a good idea. In spite of its many flaws, DA2 had a lot of good things that I'd like to see in ME2.
@valhar2000 Yeah, people often overlook DA2's good points and focus on its flaws. I really enjoyed the friendship scenes when you go and talk to companions (in particular the Isabela & Merrill ones). I'd love to see them include more squad interaction in ME3.
@LostOddity Agree about Jacob and Thane. What about Garrus vs. Zaeed? Zaeed founding the Blue Suns might not sit well with Garrus. More friendships would be nice too, i always felt like Samara and Thane should have gotten to know each other. Maybe even romances between crew members.
@ginnoveffect Well Kasumi was hinting she was interested in Jacob, would have liked to see that progress. I also though Kelly could have had scenes with the crew members after emotional loyalty missions like Samara's and Thane's. A argument with the engineers and EDI over modifying 'her' engines in the background may have been fun.
@ginnoveffect Yeah, a lot of missed potential there. I agree about Thane and Samara too. A lot of the crew seemed to have issues they'd bond over or develop conflict, it seems strange they'd only focus on two couples - and both hostile. I think the team is much smaller than ME2's in ME3, so hopefully they'll try it then.
@ginnoveffect You forget zaeed is no longer in the blue suns, and lets not forget that both garrus and zaeed were betrayed and both wanted revange. Thats something they can agree on.
@LostOddity I could actually see Jack and Zaeed in a drinking game. Could occur if you take them on enough missions together, and if you don't romance anyone towards the end of the game, instead of Shepard getting lucky you see Shepard walking around the lower area of the ship and see those two drunkenly going at it, then Shepard awkwardly walks away.
Or, considering how Jack goes, you can Renegade option and join in. Personally, I'd leave them to it and let them have some fun.
@LostOddity i think Bioware thought that 2 was enough. in my opinion, if there were 2 or even 3 more conflict scenes, if your Paragon/Renegade skill isnt high enough, you would lose more squadmate loyalty. making it harder than it already is to get the "No one left behind" achievment
@johnnycajxrt Perhaps they could have had more scenes, but lowered the Paragon/Renegade pass mark for some/all of them. I'd rather Bioware make the pass marks low and get more cutscenes/squad interactions, than have the mark high so gaining and keeping their loyalty feels like it's worth more.
You can't say that Grunt cares one way or the other about the genophage since it never really comes up with him. He's a Krogan. Of course he's going to care. But he's also still very young, so it probably doesn't effect him as deeply as it should.
I'm kinda glad this didn't happen. I liked Mordin's character as he was. Plus, he went through regretting the genophage enough, so I'm glad they didn't milk it more with Grunt.
glad they left this out. this dialogue seems so out of character for Mordin/Grunt. for the whole game Grunt acts like he doesn't give a shit about the Genophage so why should he get upset? Mordin on the other hand is far to calm a character to be angry about a ranting krogan...
@LifeDestroysPeople specially since grunt seems like he doesnt give a shit about arguments, he just goes straight to the point oh also the mordin dialogue was just..... O_o
@LifeDestroysPeople: This is all part of Grunts Character development. It's true that he didn't care about the genophage or anything else at first, but once he was accepted into Clan Urdnot he started to take his Krogran heritage much more seriously. There is a conversation you can have after his loyalty mission in which he says that the imprints he is starting to understand the imprints about thew Krogan Rebellions. It makes sense that after a while he would care about the Genophage too.
@LifeDestroysPeople Very true, but if Wrex and Mordin were in your party... I could see it happening. Badly. That'd be the kinda argument that you need 100% Paragon/Renegade or a bullet to end. Just imagine it. A Krogan Warlord and a Salarian Spec. Ops going at it. It sure would be a sight.
Mordin doesn't seem like the type that would be confrontational, nor does Grunt. This situation doesn't fit either of their personality types. Grunt himself said the genophage made Krogan as a whole stronger, so why would he have beef with someone who modified it? It just seems out of character for both parties to have a fight.
They should not have cut this out; I brought Grunt with me on Tuchanka and he saw that Mordin kept/destroyed the research to cure to the genophage and he said NOTHING! Massive plothole.
im glad there wasnt an argument between mordin and grunt. its hard enough having to leave miranda and jack till the end (and tali and legion) to make sure you can get all the paragon/renegade points to keep them all loyal.
@monster0n1 yes but what im trying to say is that if all the characters had arguments after doing the loyalty missions, it wouldn't be possible to accumulate enough points in the game to keep all the squadmates loyal. It is well known you usually have to leave tali/legion and miranda/jack near enough to the very last so that you can accumulate enough points.
Damn Femshep Is One Scary Renegade O_O
FXD609 2 days ago
Day 80: Running out of Food and Ammo. Still havent found LostOdditys comment.
Arbeitslos2 1 week ago
I can see why they cut this confrontation. It does not really fit with grunts personality since he never cared about the genophage and does not hate salarians.
Solidus1086 1 week ago
Shepard does it good for a human.
AxeFielder 1 week ago
Precisely what @Dragodemon000 said! Would have LOVED to have this, the whole 'bringing people together' thing was one of my favorite aspects of the mission. The Jack & Miranda catfight, the Tali & Legion argument... They added a new layer of depth to the characters, and I would have loved to have seen that with these two. Of course, I would've also loved a snarkfest with Garrus and Thane ending somewhere in a pool of Jello, but hey.
KitCatch22 2 weeks ago
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Juger92 3 weeks ago
This sounds a lot like the sort of conflict one could expect after doing both crew members' loyalty missions (an argument of similar measures manifested after Jack and Miranda's missions).
...too bad the dialogue and conflict didn't get put in place, the dynamics made the crewmates' conflicting views and need to unite feel all the more prominent. An epic feeling, and the only time we ended up experiencing it was in a biotic catfight.
Dragodemon000 1 month ago
I guess they cut it because there are already two arguments? Having to deal with a third would be irritating if you didnt have the required persuasion points.
Rennikus 1 month ago
they should have kept these cut dialogues in. i think they should have had more crew fights then just the two they kept
XanderVez 1 month ago
it pains me emotionally to hear Mordin mad at Shep ;u;
teelahtwee 1 month ago 2
I find it interesting how easy it is to get them to forgive you, just say you were lying to the other person.
Skull11137 1 month ago
@Skull11137 It actually takes almost a maximum percentage of Paragon points to do that.
GamerGod9590 1 month ago
@Skull11137 Especially on hard-headed characters like Grunt, for instance.
GamerGod9590 1 month ago
im Glad Bioware cut this dialog actually. In retrospect to the rest of the game this dialogue is to far out of character for Grunt, Being a clone and all. Grunt comes off too me as a Krogan that knows he is a clone and feels he needs to earn the right to be called a Krogan, and also earn the right to be unhappy about all the things the krogan are unhappy about.
AcomsRazor1776 2 months ago
loyalty fight dialogue
atley999999999999999 2 months ago
@LovelyPheonix Garrus and Samara? Jacob and Thane?
Alittlebitevil 2 months ago
ha i never even heard of this dialogue ever! this is why i love this game! ive played it like 8 times and new things like this always pop up. LOVE IT!
lildickheads 2 months ago 7
@lildickheads You haven't heard it in the game and you never will. It's cut content extracted from the game files. That's why there's that "Unused" in the title.
didymos1120 2 months ago 27
@didymos1120 o. still hella cool tho
lildickheads 2 months ago
paragon/renegade system is broken, it should have been more even. we have certain situations that only use renegade option dialogues like in the art discussion with morinth
aaron75fy 2 months ago
@aaron75fy Here's how that conversation works: if you give a wrong answer, you then get a shot at keeping her interest using either a Paragon or Renegade persuasion. However, which kind you get depends on the subject and, sometimes, which wrong answer you picked, but in the end, it evens out between the two. You just have to play around and explore the various choices there.
didymos1120 2 months ago
@didymos1120 HERE'S how it works, trying to get enough of both to get a lot of the necessary points to do the special options in the field makes it harder to reconcile with the hurt team member. the system is broken. you can only go full paragon/renegade, the system should have allowed for both. i know how it works i'm saying it doesn't work the way it should
aaron75fy 2 months ago
@aaron75fy That's nice. Doesn't really have much to do with your original gripe about that Morinth conversation though.
didymos1120 2 months ago
@didymos1120 the gripe is in order to get enough of the paragon points the renegade has to be sacrificed, that means when i talk about space travel or music i'm fine. however i can't choose the renegade option for the art part of the conversation. has comprehention dawned now?
aaron75fy 2 months ago
@aaron75fy You wouldn't need either Renegade or Paragon to help with Morinth. The system isn't broken, you just don't know how to keep a bad girl's interest.
v01cen268 1 month ago
@v01cen268 the system IS broken. how many times do I have to say it? the system shouldn't be influenced by the choices I make but the level of paragon/renegade I have. but it forces me to choose between the two so I can't influence dialogues the way I like. really, it's like having a conversation with a rock with you
aaron75fy 1 month ago
@aaron75fy no the fact that you can't have full paragon and renegade is not a break in the system. i think that if you could have full paragon and renegade the game wouldn't be as interesting because then you wouldn't be put into those situations were you have to make a sacrifice of some kind
XanderVez 1 month ago
@XanderVez I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING FULL RENEGADE AND PARAGON, I'M TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FILLING PARAGON OR RENEGADE AND ENDING UP WITH ONLY BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE THE SPECIAL OPTIONS ON THE BAR YOU FILL UP. THAT LIMITS THE MAJORITY OF THE CONVERSATION CHOICES IN FEAR YOU WILL TIP THE SCALES TOO MUCH AND CAN'T USE IT TO PACIFY THE TWO SQUAD CONFLICTS THAT HAPPEN
aaron75fy 1 month ago
@aaron75fy what are you talking about? this had nothing to do with what i said
XanderVez 1 month ago
@XanderVez it has EVERYTHING to do with what I said which is what YOU challenged me on
aaron75fy 1 month ago
I think I remember reading that there was supposed to be a confrontation between jacob and thane.
Oddly not one between garrus and samara
RXdash78 2 months ago
@RXdash78 samara (jusicar) has 2 things that would prevent that (1) her black and white view states unjust acts like sidonus' must be punished (2) the oath to shepard to abide with decisions. if anything she'd tell garrus he was too lenient with his payback
aaron75fy 2 months ago
I WAS THINKING THIS, I WONDERED WHY THERE WASNT MORE CONFRONTATIONS AND THOUGHT MORDIN VS GRUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER GOOD ONE
etocadet 2 months ago
@etocadet i think it was cut because grunt would straight up just try to kill Mordin, likewise with Mordin vs Grunt. Unlike Jack who's bloodthirsty due to her upbringing Grunt just likes to fight.
treetheoak 2 months ago
"So I can take it doesn't mean I like it"
gyzmon69 3 months ago
@gyzmon69 Tough enough to suck it up...
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thealmostjew 3 months ago
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thealmostjew 3 months ago
This rivalry should have been kept in instead of the Jack/Miranda one; at least this one ties into the whole mythology.
gorboy 3 months ago 3
The thing is, if you had one of these every other loyalty mission you wouldn't have enough paragon/renegade points to stop the argument without losing someone's loyalty.
ninetailedhollow5 4 months ago
@ninetailedhollow5 It'd work fine, because persuasions aren't based on a pre-set target number. They're all based on percentages of total available points. That's why it's easier to pass some by doing them much earlier in the game.
didymos1120 4 months ago
@didymos1120
Would that not work the same way? "Oh, I have 7/100 total available paragon points. That's 7%" -low whether the system is based on points or percentages.
ninetailedhollow5 4 months ago
@ninetailedhollow5 OK, say one is 70% P/R. Do it early in the game, and it's not that hard because you've probably run into most or all the opportunities for gaining P/R points. Now do it much later in the game. Did you miss opportunities to get either P/R points along the way? Well, then you may not have 70% of one or the other anymore. Have you been taking every opportunity but switching between Paragon and Renegade? Then you may have 50% in both (probably less due to failing checks).
didymos1120 4 months ago
@elkotazo I don't think I'd be able to decide which one I want to shoot, lol. Maybe both? XD
LostOddity 4 months ago
"you do it well for a human" i chuckled :P
Akaryusan 4 months ago
They should have included that conflict. It makes 100% sense that it would be there, and considering that they threw in the fan-service conflict between Miranda and Jack, it's unfortunate. I think they also should have included one more conflict, but I'm not sure which characters it would have been between.
indigothecat 4 months ago
Salarians aren't mad very long. thet's why they scrapped it.
godofimagination 5 months ago
There should've been more, like Thane and Jacob, like what @LostOddity said. Kasumi and Samara, about how Kasumi's a thief and Samara will die fighting a criminal to protect the innocent. Zaeed and Garrus, although they're both vigilantes who fight mercs, it could be something about Zaeed's past and how he thinks Zaeed will rebuild the blue suns and turn on Shepard.
MrRandomguy781 5 months ago
wait wtf....i thought there were only 2 conflict scenes.... tali about to blow legion to pieces and jack and miranda fixing to "tear out a bulkhead" in joker terms
Sarokuthix 5 months ago
@Sarokuthix Yes, there are. That's why this is called "Unused Mordin Vs. Grunt Dialogue". because it's not used in the final release. These are leftover audio files from cut content.
didymos1120 5 months ago 32
@didymos1120 ah, well good thing they didnt release it...cause i can barely get jack and mirandas loyalty with paragon shep...and with renegade i can barely get legion and talis loyalty
Sarokuthix 5 months ago
@Sarokuthix Thank Xbox 360's limited disc space for having them make the game the way it is. Original design of the game had a lot more in it. One example was you could recruit ANY person you like right from the start. Grand ol 360 and it's tiny limited disc space forcing the game to become sequential. Shoulda made 2 versions. 360 version and PC version. PC version woulda kicked ass.
Afroman6912 5 months ago
@alexandercns Wrex and Mordin hm? I could see a conflict occur. Wrex wouldn't like Mordin but probably would not do anything until Mordin did something to put his people in danger, like withhold a genophage cure. Otherwise, hed probably just stay in his corner and toss snide remarks with Mordin in the elevators.
Str8Murder 5 months ago
@johnnycajxrt
That's easily remedied from a game-maker's perspective. Lower the necessary paragon/ renegade requirement or have the amount for these confrontations scale based off how far along you are. Its not hard. I would have far preferred more confrontations. They make sense and give us character to character interaction, something that mass effect 2, for all its many characters lacks sorely.
Str8Murder 5 months ago
Zaeed and Jack would be such "perfect" role models for Grunt.
Thane and Samara would be close friends since their alike ( both poetic, religious assassins and have parental issues)
I reckon that Jacob and Miranda are secretly sleeping with each other. Theres proberly a frank, cunning and suave side to Jacob that he only shows Miranda. And Miranda is a closet nympho. But it's all surface and their hiding their alter egos and doing a bad job at it.
And more personal thoughts of each other
sjcobra84 5 months ago
@sjcobra84 They said that jacob and miranda used to mess around with each other, but then called it quits, and yeah after reading the stuff about miranda in the shadow broker quest, she's a closet nympho alright.
twistedheat15 5 months ago
@twistedheat15 She's not a closet nympho, actually. Since you referenced the Shadow Broker, you'd know that miranda is sterile. She can't have children. Hence asking for clean medical records that would provide 'strong male seed'. Because she was grown by her father, and the vast amounts of DNA reconstruction she's had, she can't have a baby.
EiGH7BA11 5 months ago
A conflict scene between Jacob and Thane would be useless. Because Thane and Jacob don't even argue after that. And they don't have a like except the father thing, which isn't good enough to draw anger.
Plus Jacob is nice, he wouldn't argue with a dying Drell..
Daalchii 5 months ago 2
Tear him a new cloaca... eugh.
Ndawg987654321 6 months ago
I would love to have heard Male Shepard saying
"I can do this shuffle all day, Grunt."
HykFlame 6 months ago
Arrogant! >:(
freedomphamtom1 6 months ago
If grunt and mordin were in conflict....
What is mordin?
keshaz12 6 months ago
I think that the reason this dialogue was removed was that it would've made earning everybody's loyalty harder. If there were three or four conflicts between crew members you probably wouldn't have enough paragon/renegade points so soon in the game.
ninetailedhollow5 6 months ago
How do you get this dialog?
halosky258 6 months ago
@halosky258 You dont. It was cut :(
Crimsonlee2XX 6 months ago
@Crimsonlee2XX :'(
halosky258 6 months ago
All of these videos you have are with FemShep. Were there no MaleShep files or you just didn't post them?
HelloHi1111 6 months ago
How'd you u get the dialogue
thez13223 6 months ago
@thez13223 By opening the files and searching around for them. Many gaming companies don't like when you open their files but I don't think Bioware really cares at this point because their game was held back so much by the 360... I really hate the 360 right now.
Afroman6912 6 months ago
I must ask this to keep my faith in my fellow Me2 players,
Is there ANYONE stupid enough to NOT open up Grunt's pod?
Or for that matter sell Legion?
BoJo858 6 months ago
@BoJo858 My friend did both of those things in the same playthrough
FearTheHappyChair9 6 months ago
@BoJo858 Don't know but the only reason to do that is to purposely kill everybody on suicide mission cause you need him to be a tank. That would have killed my most my crew because I don't have any of the DLC characters.
Mysticgamer 6 months ago
were did you get this from and how come it isnt in mass effect 2
20dodge83ma 6 months ago
@20dodge83ma Originally it was it is supposed to happen when you have done Mordin and Grunt's loyalty missons like the ones with Miranda and Jack and Tali and Legion. But it was cut from the game i dunno why i think there was one between Jacob and Thane too but idk
Douchiemcgigglestein 6 months ago
@Douchiemcgigglestein quite simply it would be irrelevant to the characters for the most part. if you pay attention to grunts dialogue you get the sense he doesnt care about the genophage, in fact he welcomes it. i believe at one point in time he says for every 1000 krogan unborn 1 strong krogan is born instead of 1000 weak krogan... well something like that. the thane and jacob thing is more or less pointless what are they gonna argue about assassins again it just wouldnt be compelling enough
AvengedArsonist 6 months ago
I would've liked to see a Jacob vs. Thane one.
CubeFrog 6 months ago
so they were suppose to have a conflict such as Miranda and Jack eh?
interesting considering Salarians genocide Krogans lol
FinalHeavenZero 6 months ago
Do you have the conflict resolve scenes to where he doesnt piss off either of them?
CanadScotland 6 months ago
grunts a boss mordin is crap femshep sucks
free9113 7 months ago
So all that happens when ur femshep? K just wondering
phoenixwarrior100 7 months ago
I brought Grunt along to Mordin's loyalty mission, and he did nothing. Kinda a letdown.
ABCDjjw 7 months ago
@ABCDjjw
Isn't it a little bit ironical that both loyalty missions are in the same planet?
In fact, I used Grunt & Mordin everytime I go to Tuchanka.
Superluigi447 7 months ago
I think it would have been good to have a Garrus and Jacob conflict scene.
On many occasions, Jacob has said something mean about Garrus.
Even in his recruitment mission when Jacob doesn't even know him he says something about staying with him not being a good idea.
Would have been fun to see :D
MsExplosiveSocks 7 months ago
always wondered how grunt and mordin "liked" each other given their races' history - especially since they were both my favorite duo xD
cr4yv3n 7 months ago
I can see why they cut this. While Grunt would likely be pissed over the genophage, I just can't see Mordin taking this personally.
Peteman12 7 months ago
You, sir! You are a blight!
jakethesnake1441 7 months ago 6
@jakethesnake1441 Zaeed: Goddamned Terrorist! *headshot*
neferiusnexus 7 months ago
Oh this is interesting...so they were going to include more conflicts between crewmates. Kind of wish they'd done this one between Grunt and Mordin, it sounds interesting.
LinksLove 8 months ago
they should have used it they probably didnt because it takes alot of memory expacelly with add-ons
truedarkness2 8 months ago
I only experienced 2 fights: Tali vs Legion and Jack vs Miranda so how did you get this ?
DarthVader807 8 months ago
@DarthVader807 This wasn't in the actual game; these are hidden files that Bioware decided not to use, unfortunately.
Ezulnic 8 months ago
What is this dark magic? :D
yohsempai 8 months ago
I'm surprised Thane and Jacob didnt have a confrontation in the game. And why wasn't this used!?
Dragon11730 8 months ago
i understand if grunt would be angry at mordin, i would have been angry at someone too if he/her gave my entire race a cancer! i would evetually go so far that i would rip his/her head of with my bare hands!
jocke706 8 months ago
hehe krogan romance.
woutermen2 8 months ago
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emytzu 8 months ago
male shep!???
CommanderMattShepard 8 months ago
This would've been a good asset.
bluntorc 8 months ago
The conflict made sense. Okeer's personality imprints didn't work on Grunt. Upon joining clan Urdnot, Grunt found a reason to care about being krogan. His anger at Mordin's STG work would then be valid. I'm not sure why Bioware cut this.
burnout21 9 months ago 5
@burnout21 probably because Mordin wouldn't have announced it to the ship, sure he would say he was STG and really he wouldn't have mentioned it to Grunt save his lips "or cloaca" being ripped off. I don't think even Sheperad would have mentioned it unless he wanted the conflict between the two. As for Jacob and Thane, honestly the beef ended as soon as Shep said, Thane is doing it for free, so really he can't be "bought" considering Thane is doing it because he wants to, not for money.
patrick5087 8 months ago
@burnout21 I read a comment that sold it for me. Mordin just isn't the type to take it personally. No mater what my Paragon shep said to him about his decision Mordin was always, ALWAYS willing to have a real, cohesive and rational discussion about it. And Grunt wouldn't argue with Mordin. He'd straight up start dismantling the lab. The only way the two could have stayed in character is if one ends up dead, Mordin wouldn't tolerate being physically threatened.
Jinggley 1 week ago
I don't know, maybe these dialogs are out of characters, but Mordin's capricious intonations are the best music for my ears =)))))
"Nothing to say to you. Talk to the Krogan, if you like." - (You mean talk to cloumsy, stupid and aggressive alien? Well, I'm talking with it right now...)
"Agr-e-ed." - (Just try not to b-e-e-e! )
Awwwww! So childish but still sweet))))))) Damn, how Mordin can combine an ice-cold killer and child in one so perfectly???? This character is so freaking balanced...
MissPumpkinJuice 9 months ago
Where did this come from?
AnteaterCharger 9 months ago
I would have liked to see more conflict scenes - like between Jacob and Thane maybe. They hardly got off to a good start, and considering both their loyalty quests were about bad fathers (Jacob having one and Thane being one), it would have made some sense.
Otherwise, it would've been nice to see some friendship scenes instead of conflict. I for one would have loved the idea of walking in on Grunt, Zaeed and Jack in the middle of a drinking game.
LostOddity 9 months ago 207
@LostOddity hey thats not bad lol
BadVoodo0 8 months ago
@BadVoodo0 Hopefully Bioware includes something a little like that in ME3. XD
LostOddity 8 months ago
@LostOddity that would be badass(the last part)
why can't Shepard help other characters develop relationships
I mean, I would love to help Kasumi fuck Jacob....
danin900 8 months ago
@danin900 Exactly. All the squadmates should be interacting. I'd help Kasumi with Jacob too XD. I mean, she has a bar in her quarters, she should make good use of it!
LostOddity 8 months ago
@danin900 You do realise Kasumi is morning the lost of her old love. If you can't have a relationship with her why should Jacob?
DaShonuff 8 months ago
@DaShonuff fuck, man
it was just an idea
what's your problem?
danin900 8 months ago
@LostOddity great ideas man
matthewthepirate44 8 months ago
@LostOddity Good points there my friend - i totally agree!
eran5005 8 months ago
@LostOddity True, I hate how the only time you see squadmates together is during missions, fights and the suicide mission.
MrAoiSekai 8 months ago
@LostOddity na maybe thane and samara cause ones a kinda cop and the other is an assassin
superpiemonster 7 months ago
@LostOddity: They had things like that in DA2, and I thought they were a good idea. In spite of its many flaws, DA2 had a lot of good things that I'd like to see in ME2.
valhar2000 7 months ago
@valhar2000 Yeah, people often overlook DA2's good points and focus on its flaws. I really enjoyed the friendship scenes when you go and talk to companions (in particular the Isabela & Merrill ones). I'd love to see them include more squad interaction in ME3.
LostOddity 7 months ago
@LostOddity Agreed, they should have introduced friendship scenes amongst the other characters
sjcobra84 7 months ago
@LostOddity The only problem with the drinking game idea is that we all know Dr. Chakwas would beat them all
IAmEvilTree 6 months ago 105
@IAmEvilTree says the wobbly shepard, good effect with the camera. felt dizzy for a while till it stabilised
aaron75fy 2 months ago
@LostOddity Agree about Jacob and Thane. What about Garrus vs. Zaeed? Zaeed founding the Blue Suns might not sit well with Garrus. More friendships would be nice too, i always felt like Samara and Thane should have gotten to know each other. Maybe even romances between crew members.
ginnoveffect 6 months ago
@ginnoveffect Well Kasumi was hinting she was interested in Jacob, would have liked to see that progress. I also though Kelly could have had scenes with the crew members after emotional loyalty missions like Samara's and Thane's. A argument with the engineers and EDI over modifying 'her' engines in the background may have been fun.
IAmEvilTree 5 months ago
@ginnoveffect Yeah, a lot of missed potential there. I agree about Thane and Samara too. A lot of the crew seemed to have issues they'd bond over or develop conflict, it seems strange they'd only focus on two couples - and both hostile. I think the team is much smaller than ME2's in ME3, so hopefully they'll try it then.
LostOddity 5 months ago
@ginnoveffect You forget zaeed is no longer in the blue suns, and lets not forget that both garrus and zaeed were betrayed and both wanted revange. Thats something they can agree on.
Ahmannaeatchoo 5 months ago
@Ahmannaeatchoo Sure, and Zaeed doesn't like the direction the Sun have taken, so they could bond on that point.
ginnoveffect 5 months ago
@LostOddity I could actually see Jack and Zaeed in a drinking game. Could occur if you take them on enough missions together, and if you don't romance anyone towards the end of the game, instead of Shepard getting lucky you see Shepard walking around the lower area of the ship and see those two drunkenly going at it, then Shepard awkwardly walks away.
Or, considering how Jack goes, you can Renegade option and join in. Personally, I'd leave them to it and let them have some fun.
alexandercns 5 months ago
@LostOddity i think Bioware thought that 2 was enough. in my opinion, if there were 2 or even 3 more conflict scenes, if your Paragon/Renegade skill isnt high enough, you would lose more squadmate loyalty. making it harder than it already is to get the "No one left behind" achievment
johnnycajxrt 5 months ago
@johnnycajxrt Perhaps they could have had more scenes, but lowered the Paragon/Renegade pass mark for some/all of them. I'd rather Bioware make the pass marks low and get more cutscenes/squad interactions, than have the mark high so gaining and keeping their loyalty feels like it's worth more.
LostOddity 5 months ago
@LostOddity Agreed. It seems like the crew rarely interacts with each other.
decyx2 4 months ago
that what makes this game great; don't you think, they perpared for stuff like these and decide which makes a better story line
v2099 9 months ago
I like how the last part of grunts is just like the same thing over, and over, and over. and over.
MrTristanishere 9 months ago 3
Can't say I'd imagine Mordin getting into a argument, besides Mordin could easily put others off via song
regardless this does seem a bit forced for both parties so glad they didn't keep this
Omegahazard 9 months ago
I'm glad they cut this and decided to have the fight between Jack and Miranda instead. This argument seems less organic.
b3nihim3 9 months ago
possible this script was made for Wrex, keep in mind that in ME 1 you can keep Wrex alive; and for import
v2099 9 months ago
they did well to remove this. Okeer didn't care of the Genophage and so Grunt do. he has no point at all to argue with Mordin.
TheLostProphecies 9 months ago
"Arrogant!"
Woah Mordin, calm it now!
Veggie449 10 months ago 2
If Grunt did have one wouldn't it be better if it was Garrus since Grunt just plain doesn't like TURIANZ
dillydob1 10 months ago
You can't say that Grunt cares one way or the other about the genophage since it never really comes up with him. He's a Krogan. Of course he's going to care. But he's also still very young, so it probably doesn't effect him as deeply as it should.
TableNinja 10 months ago
I'm kinda glad this didn't happen. I liked Mordin's character as he was. Plus, he went through regretting the genophage enough, so I'm glad they didn't milk it more with Grunt.
LinleyTheBestMan 10 months ago 4
Sassy Mordin!
HaldirLivesLuvIris 10 months ago 5
Man, ME has gotta have the most awesome variety of characters, I can't remember disliking any of them :D
makotomikami 10 months ago 2
Man, I hope ME3 will have more character interactions
sheemobile 10 months ago 4
Very intresting
Matt561 10 months ago
the unused dialog is all from the FemShepard or there's a male one?
just curious
danin900 10 months ago 2
@danin900 I'm wondering the same. I'm guessing they exist for both, but the uploader just liked FemShep better.
V2Blast 10 months ago
glad they left this out. this dialogue seems so out of character for Mordin/Grunt. for the whole game Grunt acts like he doesn't give a shit about the Genophage so why should he get upset? Mordin on the other hand is far to calm a character to be angry about a ranting krogan...
LifeDestroysPeople 10 months ago 75
@LifeDestroysPeople specially since grunt seems like he doesnt give a shit about arguments, he just goes straight to the point oh also the mordin dialogue was just..... O_o
yubarta1 7 months ago
@LifeDestroysPeople: This is all part of Grunts Character development. It's true that he didn't care about the genophage or anything else at first, but once he was accepted into Clan Urdnot he started to take his Krogran heritage much more seriously. There is a conversation you can have after his loyalty mission in which he says that the imprints he is starting to understand the imprints about thew Krogan Rebellions. It makes sense that after a while he would care about the Genophage too.
valhar2000 7 months ago
@LifeDestroysPeople Very true, but if Wrex and Mordin were in your party... I could see it happening. Badly. That'd be the kinda argument that you need 100% Paragon/Renegade or a bullet to end. Just imagine it. A Krogan Warlord and a Salarian Spec. Ops going at it. It sure would be a sight.
alexandercns 5 months ago
A true shame that they left this out. Thanks for showing us.
ClassicToonFan64 10 months ago 4
Mordin doesn't seem like the type that would be confrontational, nor does Grunt. This situation doesn't fit either of their personality types. Grunt himself said the genophage made Krogan as a whole stronger, so why would he have beef with someone who modified it? It just seems out of character for both parties to have a fight.
SSJKirik 10 months ago 3
@SSJKirik probably why they didn't put this in the game
IIJayKidII 10 months ago 2
I always thought that there needed to be more crew conflict, I mean this is a highly 'crazy' crew.
TheNewmanProductions 10 months ago
@TheNewmanProductions Maybe there aren't as much because Shepard gets them all from the same store.
Anergyne 10 months ago
They should not have cut this out; I brought Grunt with me on Tuchanka and he saw that Mordin kept/destroyed the research to cure to the genophage and he said NOTHING! Massive plothole.
gorboy 10 months ago
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shut the F.. up jennifer hale!!
levitan71 11 months ago
I think it's because Grunt shares some of Okeer's views. Okeer said that the krogan way was to reach higher by climbing atop each other.
Grunt probably sees the dead as weak, and that only strong krogan should be allowed to live.
blackswordsman89 11 months ago
I wish there were more squad confrontations like this. But we only get two. Grr... Missed opportunities.
Sparkifi 11 months ago
@Sparkifi I don't because of the stupid high alignment you would need to solve the argument.
markinator123 10 months ago
I would like to see Thane vs Jacob
GhostSnake 11 months ago 3
@GhostSnake Isn't that implying anyone would pick Jacob if they couldn't have both? At all?
Anergyne 10 months ago
I wish they kept this in. That'd have been cool.
BlueAuraWolf 11 months ago
im glad there wasnt an argument between mordin and grunt. its hard enough having to leave miranda and jack till the end (and tali and legion) to make sure you can get all the paragon/renegade points to keep them all loyal.
im glad the entire team can be kept loyal.
JDdaDJstressed 11 months ago
@JDdaDJstressed become a better paragon or renegade, you wouldnt have that problem
monster0n1 11 months ago
@monster0n1 yes but what im trying to say is that if all the characters had arguments after doing the loyalty missions, it wouldn't be possible to accumulate enough points in the game to keep all the squadmates loyal. It is well known you usually have to leave tali/legion and miranda/jack near enough to the very last so that you can accumulate enough points.
JDdaDJstressed 11 months ago
@JDdaDJstressed there still should of been an argue meant between these two, you dont know what your talking about
monster0n1 11 months ago
Errrm why didnt yiu include the actual argument? Kinda dumb of you
DrTheKay 11 months ago
wait theres a conversation between garrus and grunt or not i know this isnt used dialog but can there actually be a argument between the two?
ubergammer00 11 months ago
why the hell did they cut this seriously?? even little confrontations like this with teammates make the game soo much more great.
KappaEffect 11 months ago
@KappaEffect
Because to be honest, Grunt and Mordin weren't "Vital Roles" unlike Tali and Legion where there was a chance you could lose a valuable specialist.
asaqe3 11 months ago