Битола, мой роден край / Bitola, moi roden krai

[MrBulgaran]

кой изпълнява песента?

[tibaramov]

@MrBulgaran Костадин Гугов от Кукуш, от Беломорието =)

[MrBulgaran]

@tibaramov сполай ти..:-))

[bst78]

Относно Георги Димитров - за който стана въпрос - абе хора: та той е бил маша в ръцете на Сталин. За него Български интереси - НЯМА! Той е всичко друго но не и Българин - по рождение - да но като защитник на националните интереси на България хич го няма.

[bst78]

Песента е написана от Айри Демировски - етнически турчин, и най вероятно отразява неговата любов по родното му място - през 1953 ако не се лъжа, той и семейството му емигрират в Турция.

Та това е Авторска песен - спор няма по този въпрос.

Сега от тук насетне аз лично смятам че езика на който се пее в песента е Български диалект - и за това мога да отъждествя песента като Българска писана от етнически турчин.

[dbnikolov]

Calling the Bulgarian language - Bulgarian is like calling the English Language - English - even more justified than that. The Bulgarian language has been the language of the Bulgarian state since the 7th century and all linguists know what "Bulgarian" Language is. It is also distinct from the other slavic languages.

Calling the language in FYROM "Macedonian" and not Bulgarian is indeed like calling the USA language "American" and not English.

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

Tnen why dont i understand bulgarian but understand Macedonia very well? Why when the bulgarians invaded macedonia with the nazis, were my grandparents forced to learn bulgarian if bulgarian and macedonian is the same language?

Calling Macedonian bulgarian is like calling italian spanish - not the same

or bulgarian is serbian, or calling bulgarian russian get the picture?

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 If you do not understand Bularian why are you here listening to Bulgarian folk songs like this one?

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

First of all this song is Macedonian, not bulgar

Second this song was written in R. Macedonia, by Ajri Demirovski (an Ethnic Turk) who was born in Bitola

That makes this song put of the Macedonian-Turkish culture not your stinky tatar culture

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 I failed to reply earlier to comments that you removed. It is not your grandparents who were forced to learn Bulgarian - it is you who was forced to learn false history! Indeed the "Macedonian" language, alphabet, names (-ski), etc. were created by the serbocommunists after WW2 when they saw that the population greeted the Bulg. army as liberators and still felt overwhelmingly Bulgarian. Even the Mac. Communist Party broke from the Yugo one and merged with the Bulg CP.

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

1 the serbians did not change our lastnames to ski, they actually changed my grandparents last name from Petrovski to Petrovic

2 the bulgarian army were not liberators, they were seen as an enemy in which many Macedonians fought against like Taki Daskalo did

3 my grandparents did learn bul in school, they told me they did.

4 My grandparents last name is Ilijoski (notice no v in the name)

5 Bulg CP was willing to merge pirin Macedonia to R Macedonia nad recognised a separate id

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 About 5-10% of the Bulgarian names have -ski at the end - no space here to explain the name-forming rules.  Fact: Before 1945 - the Bulgarians and the Vardar slav inhabitants had 100% identical names - identical alphabet - and spoke the same language. In 1945 the serbs added -ski to about 70% of the Vardar population. These are facts - if you believe the facts or live in a fantasy world is a different story.

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

This is not fact its fiction. Serbs changed it to "ic" not ski as i have exlained before.

Ilijoski cant be iljo in bulg

Taseski cant be tase in bulg

There are no such thing as bulg last names these last names are acctually Russian

You are the one who lives in the fantasy world thinking Anc Macedonians magically disapeared then reappeard in asia minor and became macedonians and migrated into Macedonia again

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 Fact is that from the 8th century until WW2 the Bulgarians from north-eastern Bulgaria and from Macedonia (or south-western Bulgaria) had 100% identical names. After 1945 suddenly 70% of the FYROMians got "-ski" added to their name. I recently went to the FYROM Belasica football team webpage which listed the founders and initial players from the 30's - 100% of the names ended in "-ov" (although -ski is found in BG but more rarely), 70% of todays players end on "-ski".

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov Also who "created" the Macedonians in greek occupied Macedonia? they had nothing to do with Tito and Yugoslavia. they regard themselves as Macedonian. who brainwashed them?

"Kako i da napisha istorijata gospod znae jas sum chedo na Makedonija" a quote from a song from Lerin

they even dance to Edna Misla imame where the song says "nie ne sme grci, bugari ni serbi cheda sme na aleksandar gordost Makedonska"

Aidonia - Edna misla imame, Ilinden panagiur - search that in youtube

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

one last thing why did The Bulgarian president Georgi Dimitrov recognise a separate ethinic Macedonian identity in Bulgaria? if there are no real Macedonians?

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov Why would the serbs do this they were trying to Make us into serbs.

I'll explain to you the last time, hopefully this would get through your thick head. the serbs put ic to the end the last names not ski

As i said for a while my family was known as Petrovic.

So what if macedonians have ov in the last name, its still a Macedonian last name. the bulgarians are a mixture of Macedonian and Tatar people

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

6 Bulg killed Jane Sandanski and now hes a bulg hero? yeah right who kills their own heros?

7 My grandparents with the last name ilijoski come from the villiage Gorno Divjaci, where Nikola karev was a teacher. He viewed himself as a Macedonian related to Alexander the Great. he lived before R Macedonia was part of Yugoslavia

8 Georgija Pulevski (1817-1875) states that he is not bulgarian, has ski in his name and lived before the occupation of Macedonia

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

"i am not bulgarian, nor serb, nor greek, but i am simply Macedonian just like Philip and Alexander and Aristotel"

the cyrillic used in Georgija Pulevski's book "Rechnik od tri jezika" "A Dictionary of Three languages" (1875) is the same cyrillic used in R Macedonia and was published in 1875

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

Last of all, i leave you with a passage from Georgija Pulevski's book Rechnik od tri jezika

on Page 48:

What do we call a nation? People who are of the same origin and who speak the same words and who live and make friends of each other, who have the same customs and songs and entertainment are what we call a nation, and the place where that people lives is called the people's country. Thus the Macedonians also are a nation and the place which is theirs is called Macedonia

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 Pulevski was a nut job. Yes there was one single "intellectual" who thought at the end of 19th cent. that an argument can be made for a separate nation - so what? There were nut jobs also stating that there is a Shoppe nation and that there are 3 separate Greek nations. One nut job nation does not make! ALL VMRO members - Delchev, Gruev, Tatarchev, Arsov - were self-identified Bulgarians, Bulgarian teachers infact - and initially named the organization BMORC (B=Bulgarian).

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

it was called VMRO not BVMRO. stop making up bs.

"Macedonia has its own interests and its own politics which belong to the Macedonians. The one who works for joining of Macedonia to Bulgaria, Greece, or Serbia, can consider himself as a good Bulgarian, Greek, or Serb, but not as a good Macedonian" - Goce Delchev

his own granddaughter Katerina Trajkova-Nurdzieva who lives in bulgaria considers herself and Goce as ethnic Macedonian

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

"Додека мое рамо крепи пушка, Българин не стапнува во Македонија" - Гоце Делчев

Just because Pulevski considered himself Macedonia does not mean he's a nut.

Nikola Karev considered himself Macedonian descendant of the Ancient Macedonians not from Tatarstan where your ancestors are from.

There is no Greek nation they are just hellenized turko-albano-koine speaking albanians nothin else

[dbnikolov]

@NikolaPetrovski88 You must really be a total nut if you think that this is a real Delchev quote. Delchev, who was a Bulgarian school teacher, was involved in Bulgarian church matters, who found an organization which he called BMROC B=Bulgarian, O=Odrin, and who signed letters with his own hand as "Macedonian Bulgarian" - you can find all these original documents online. You can also find his hand written letter stating "...we are all Bulgarians and suffer from the same disease".

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov So is Katerina Trajkova-Nurdzieva (Goce Delcevs neice) a nut job? she lives in bulgaria and regards herself and Goce Delcev as Macedonian and not bulgarian.

Also what was the goal of VMRO? it was to give AUTONOMY to Macedonia and not join it to bulgaria. Why not join to bulgaria if they were bulgarian.

Wasnt Jane Sandanski assassinated by Bulgarians. the Bulgarian Tsar Ferdinand labelled Jane Sandanski as the most dangerous enemy against the great Bulgarian interests

[Perigali1]

@ 1) "Додека мое рамо крепи пушка, Българин не стапнува во Македонија" - Гоце Делчев АБСОЛЮТНА ИЗМИСЛИЦА и ПОДИГРАВКА С ГОЦЕ!!! Фиромска ГЛУПОСТ!

2) NikolaPetrovski88 Nikola Karev considered himself Macedonian descendant of the Ancient Macedonians Не знам дали знаеш, дето брат му во затвора за пробългарски чувства.

[s88fifo]

I live in Bitola, its a beuatiful city.

Im very proud of it. If you ask my grandparents they will tell that they have never considered them selves as Bulgarians. Never have never will . BUT if you ask the elders in the regions of PIRIN and AGEAN Macedonia, they will carefuly wisper...you know what :)

Best wishes.

[dbnikolov]

Read some history and you will learn that they were indeed Bulgarians until WW2. These days the information flows freely so there is no excuse not to know your own history. Bitola has a rich Bulgarian past - read about it fron non-FYROM sources. Just forget everything that you were tought in Yugoslavia and FYROM and try to learn the truth.

[s88fifo]

Nikolov.

Im totally aware of the history of the Balkans.

To have fully understanding one have to be openminded and not to be frightened by the truth, and not to be to proud wich can in some cases result in nonrealistic and unhistoric statements.

a) The first slavtribe, Dragovitians settled in the region of Bitola " Heraklea". Later they went south to the region of Tessaloniki.

b) The Bersjatians are the ancestors of the present inhabitans of the region of Bitola.

[s88fifo]

c) im aware of that the Slavic tribes united with the Protobulgars around 850 ad. And formed a Bulgarian state.

d) The language that the holy bible was translated into was based on the slavicspeaking inhabitans in the Tessaloniki sarraoundings. This language is not Protobulgarian. To call this language Bulgarian would be like the Americans said they speak American and not English, also claiming they were the founders of the American language.

[dbnikolov]

No - to call the Bulgarian language - Bulgarian language is like calling the English Language - English. The Bulgarian language has been the language of the Bulgarian state since the 7th century and all linguists know what "Bulgarian" Language is.

Calling the language in FYROM "Macedonian" and not Bulgarian is indeed like calling the USA language "American" and not English.

[s88fifo]

e) There is a wide Slavic culture in the Bulgarian state today. The language first of all, all the folklores, the ringdances are all Slavic.

The Slavs in Macedonia have the same language and the same dances, pure logic right? To claim that all dancec and the language is all Bulgarian is bisarre.

It would be like dividing twins, one in each family, the brothers still speak the same language but one of the adapters claim their Name on the language that the both brothers speak.

[Probuem]

Поздрав за всички братя и сестри от Македония с тази хубава песен за родния край на моят пра-дядо ! България + Македония - едни песни пееме, една вяра имаме !

[dbnikolov]

The Bulgarian and Macedonian folklore are identical - and are distinct from all other slavic languages. I don't understand any serbian or polish or czech folklore - but the macedonian songs are written in my mother tongue - they are my folklore.

[NikolaPetrovski88]

@dbnikolov

i also have a copy of the book Rečnik od tri jezika Речник од три језика, to email to just to prove to you that the cyrillic used is the same as the one used in Macedonia today

[MrBulgaran]

ех, Битола, Битола...как те изгубихме...