Military Strategy Analysis Custer's Last Stand.wmv

[cyvonneb1]

Aren't there any Americans who could have narrated this American event?

[magiclard]

As an expert...... Hot jumping Jiminy they got their asses kicked.

[JOSECANUCCJ]

Error #1-the Indians were not "settling into their village" at the time of the attack. They had been there for 2-3 days and were preparing to move. #2-Reno had more than 90 troopers with him. 125 is more accurate and generally accepted. #3. No archaeological evidence of fighting at Medicine Tail Coulee. #4-I can jog 3 miles in 30 minutes, how could it take galloping horses 15 minutes to cover that distance? OTT, not bad, I have not seen this before.

[rw5791]

@JOSECANUCCJ reno had 125 troops in his battalion but only 90 on his skirmish line.And reno attacked at about 3:10 pm so I guess the indians could not have been "just waking up". historical inaccuracy #5.

[Tellgryn1]

@rw5791 This video has so many inaccuracies it is not funny.

And this is the view the park is pushing now? Gray's model of the battle works best and fits the time limits, where as this version one has to find about 40 extar minutes which isn't there. Time is the limiting factor when building a model of the battle, horses can move so far in x time. By the time Wier's gets to Weir's point the battle is over and Weir is being pressed by Indians from the Custer massacre.

[rw5791]

@Tellgryn1 The voice is really annoying and he's talking about custer when nobody really knows for sure what custer did because they were all killed.

We do know this though.the indians backed off reno hill about 4:15 and it takes 20 minutes for them to get to the custer battle.So,from about 4:30 on custer's battalion of 200 men were fighting probably over 1000 indian warriors.

We also know that weir got to weir point about 5:30 so I agree,the battle was probably over but for mopping up.

[deriter64]

I'll still stand by political cheapness. At the end of the Civil War the union army was larger and better armed than Napoleon's grand army. But then the U.S. sends essentially a few hundred men into the Dakota's to seize territory from some of the fiercest warriors in history. Red Cloud won his war but after travelling east and seeing what his nation was facing he gave up to save lives. Imagine fifty thousand troops with artillery and gatlings...well the Cheyenne weren't stupid.

[six80ususus]

How could Custer he be defeated by the natives who are being pushed out of their own land, god is just so cruel sometimes. LOL!!!!!

[MrTimm77]

yeah take that rednecks

[ColonelGeorgeACuster]

"Custer was an idiot." is a common view. BUT REAL BULLCRAP Custer was ordered to go to the little bighorn, yea he maybe made some mistakes, but hell which military commander doesn't? his plan almost suceeded, and why is custer a scumbag? he doesn't KILL women and children, he takes 'em captive, giving em back after the battle. Custer wasn't a fool he was a Glory-Hunter. that's what got him dead.

[Ludwig4156]

Jeroen72! And why did they do that?

[hunkabuggy]

Thanks for posting this account. One of the most accurate. Read the book 'Son of the Morning Star' by Evan S,Connell. This also is an excellent account of the causes of this failure to subdue the native americans. There were many reasons contributing to the final outcome.

Enchilada 01... you're an idiot ! you are obviously ignorant of G.A.C.and should keep your stupid comments to yourself!

[enchilada01]

@hunkabuggy You are the ignorant here! I read enough "western" print and anyone would realize that it is full of shit! A clear example is the Alamo where David Crocket died swinging his rifle and 20 dead mexicans lying dead around him, bullshit! he was executed! or even the storming of san Juan hill in Cuba. The U.S. casualties where horrific 3-4 times that of the defenders who only numbered 500 vs 20,000. But in the end U.S. books glorify Roosvelt with bravey when several accounts deny this

[hunkabuggy]

@enchilada01 I see! You have read enough books on cowboys and indians to be an expert??

Look up a book called 'Indian views of the custer fight' the author is Richard G. Hardorff.these are firsthand narratives. Also read 'With Custer on the Little Bighorn' by William O' Taylor.

In some areas you are correct, Crocket was executed after the fight and of course people behave differently when they know the end is coming - and it is probably going to hurt. The victor writes the history books

[enchilada01]

@hunkabuggy I am not an expert and even 'experts" make mistakes. I only have read too many books from the mainstream and opposite views and let me tell you that most are just copies from the rest. I will check out your books and hopefully they are not copies

[onlythewise1]

@hunkabuggy what was heard was the mexican soilders didnt want to kill crocket but the bad mexican general ordered him shot, the soilders should of killed there mexican leader and saved all the lifes on both sides

[hunkabuggy]

@onlythewise1 Agreed.. thanks for your comments. A good book about G.A.C. is as I told enchilada01, 'Indian views of the Custer fight' Good interesting stuff from the winners point of view. It took a while for the Lakota,Cheyenne etc to tell their side because they were afraid of repercussions Washington.

[onlythewise1]

@hunkabuggy and if the indians won what would there side be, same biased as every body else

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 Question: how did the mexican soldiers even know who Crockett was, let alone identify him?

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 he was famous and the general from mexico knew him. i think they even talked before the battle

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 talked to him before the battle? At what point, he was holed up in the alamo the entire time and didn't spend too long outside to talk to any general before running inside with everyone else, not to mention Santa Anna arrived long after Crockett was already in the Alamo; plus he was famous at that time only in the states, not worldwide. If any Mexicans did know of him, then they were few and far between, and their identifying of him would have been spotty.

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 why are you talking like this, you seem to want to empress me on some subject. i doubt you know all went on any more than i do but common sense would say if one knew of him the rest would, considering they may of asked who they are fighting, word would spread from the top down . first the mexican soilder didnt want to kill any of them that finally gave up after they was to tired to move .

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 Seriously? It's like you took this Pena jerk at face value. And the mexican soldier was not as innocent as you would believe, there are accounts of their brutality after the battle, like the killing of 2 children, shooting Ms. Susannah Dickinson in the leg and looting valuables off bodies, not to mention bayonetting or shooting any survivors they found. And, I do doubt that any mexican knew who or cared who they were fighting.

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 the report was the soilders didnt want to kill them and the general ordered them shot , your skipping around, as in all armys there are the very bad and the good guy.

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 I read a very different report of the aftermath that contradicts yours, and I am not skipping. Plus, you forget that the mexicans did not view the Texican rebels as fellow soldiers, but as terrorists invading their country, and for 13 days these soldiers had lost comrades trying to regain a mission and major town being occupied by these same terrorists, so there's no reason why they'd be showing sympathy at all.

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 what report, you talk but dont say were, what is the texican, its texas. the land was bought you can view all the crap you want, im not really interested in your talk. you say things, you bounce around, you ignore my points, you add things, pick one thought and stick to it .

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 "Texican" is the term they went by during the Texas Revolution. They were fighting at first for reform, but by the Alamo they were fighting to seperate from Mexico, which still owned Texas, you twit! You can rant and rave like a child all YOU want, but I know my history, I should know because I've been studying it since junior high and not smoking weed like u apparently did, which is why I ignore your "points".

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 dude im not relly interested in this talk of yours , common sense would say if the soilders didnt kill the men some would not want to kill them later you seem to want to continue to blab tuff that i can find my self. end of talk go find someone to blab to

[hulkmeister23]

@onlythewise1 Ci, el presidente!

[onlythewise1]

@hulkmeister23 see up yours

[onlythewise1]

@enchilada01 but you didnt say davy killed ten to one on that battle ,davy croket was out of ammo and tired from killing mexicans he just fell down. and the chicken shit leader of the mexicans had him shot like most cowards do

[Ludwig4156]

It´s good to know, that there are moments of justice in the bloodstained history of USA. Custer and his gang were scumbags.

[Jeroen72]

@Ludwig4156 Luckily the indians were angels who didn't kill woman and children or torture prisoners to death.

Poor angelic indians who were killed by the big bad white man :(

[TheFryingpanofdoom]

6:35 wait here mr kellogs.dont loose your flakes

[sandro322]

Indians are good fighter and they are not idiots.

[33ARTS]

Propaganda. I have been to that piece of earth, and one can see how the battle progressed. After the retreat up the hill, Reno and Benteen stayed in the defensive position of the natural 'bowl' at the top, and Custer followed the ridge to try to outflank the enemy. Standard military strategy to hold the high ground. He did not know the terrain, and was himself flanked at a dip in the ridge closer to the river. He continued and was separated from the rest of the contingent.

[33ARTS]

@33ARTS Unfortunately for him, the ridge ends at what is now known as Last Stand Hill. His own folly met its rightful end. The reason he was out there was to enforce an absurd order meant to affect the rescinding of the treaty to keep the Black Hills off-limits to settlers and prospectors "..so long as the grass is green and the sun doth shine."(1858) Gold shined more than the sun by 1875. The campaign was murderous in intent from the outset, and the 7th paid the tab. Excuseless glory-lust

[33ARTS]

@33ARTS oopsis, reverse order....

[enchilada01]

Custer was probably one of the first to yell for his mommy and also one of the first to stain his panties when he saw all ws lost

[enchilada01]

The U.S. Calvary troops where squealing for their mommy's in the heat of the battle according to native accounts. White's always call the lost battles "massacres" and when they murdered inocent people like women and children it is called a "battle" they are funny

[jakemk21]

@enchilada01 This was called the Battle of the Little Bighorn, not massacre. Then there is the Wounded Knee Massacre in which innocent Indians were indeed massacred, so the government does officially recognize battles as battles and massacres as massacres, although your opinion may differ on what happened, necessity, etc. Plus, how could the natives understand what the whites were saying in the "heat of the battle"? I'm sure Germans made up things Americans said in World War 2 and vice versa.

[enchilada01]

@jakemk21 How hard is it to understand someone yelling for their mother "mommy" I am sure not all indians where as stupid as you think they are and at least there was one that knew what they where saying. Wounded knee is called a battle and there are instances that little bighorn is called a massacre, check your info

[jakemk21]

@enchilada01 I check my info, and I never said Indians were never stupid. You jump to conclusions just like how you generalize white people. You can look up Wounded Knee and the majority of articles label it a massacre. Little Bighorn could be considered a massacre because a large amount of people in a group were killed, but most call it a battle because there was fighting. People will always call it their own thing, especially when they throw personal opinions into it. Learn to spell "were".

[enchilada01]

@jakemk21 Thats odd. last time I checked, wounded knee was labeled as a battle when it was anything but. Little big WAS a battle because not only did Custer with over 200 men moved in as offending force but they attacked/defended themselves. I really doubt Custers division advanced ahead to give the injuns some flowers.

[IFIJOFGGF]

@enchilada01

Los machupichus de mierda como enchilada01 durante la estación seca abarcaron una extensión de 49 hectareas, por lo que la media mensual del ámbito de acción de la tropa no varió significativamente entre las estaciones.

enchilada01 is a monkey and very machupichu.

[bluenose4344]

@enchilada01 its a common thing, from what i have read to cry for ones mother in times of traumatic violent death