Mormon Christians Versus Gays, Atheists, Hate, Corruption and Their Darkness

[BornAgainstMormons]

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[iAMtekey]

im gunna go use my free agency to go make sure that gays dont, i have the god given right to chose to not allow their sinful way of life.

makes perfect sense

[BornAgainstMormons]

@iAMtekey do you think it is important to be honest?

[iAMtekey]

@BornAgainstMormons generally yes, why?

[urlilshawty33]

mormons are not Christians.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@urlilshawty33 Nonsense.

[EffieReal]

I knew you behave this way. I did not expect honest behavior considering your list of dishonest videos. I quoted scripture that refuted your position and you deleted it. Then you made general statements based on you man-made assumptions of right and wrong. You are a personally abusive person. You are not a Biblically accurate person. You are a dishonest person. I am done with your evil.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@EffieReal You told me.

[BornAgainstMormons]

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[gwprod1]

The best (and only) defense to being called a bigot, is to stop being one.

[Ihopyourpancakes]

Is there anything besides religious (faith-based) rhetoric to justify the claim that being gay is morally wrong? How can one condemn a group of people with claims that cannot be independently verified? This is absurd.

[BornAgainstMormons]

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[mandangalo18]

wow, the title of this video is like the crow calling the raven black lol

[BornAgainstMormons]

@mandangalo18 I think you are confused.

[mandangalo18]

@BornAgainstMormons

I know exactly where I stand, but thanks for saying so. Shouldn't you be off fighting gays and their horrible darkness of wanting to be in fulfilling loving relationships?

[EffieReal]

@BornAgainstMormons I thing mandanglao18 is dead on accurate.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@EffieReal Confusion isn't a one man island.

[EffieReal]

Yes, Satan has confused you. Pharisees are still breathing on this planet and many of them are in the Mormon "church". You have been preaching another Jesus (2 Cor. 11:14) and pushing the man-made laws of the false LDS faith (2 Peter 2:22) and try to rely on self-righteousness (by which you judge others) yet giving lip-service to faith in Jesus *not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus calls anyone like that a snake, a hypocrite, a dog returning to it's own vomit, and white-washed tomb full of rot.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@EffieReal Nonsense.

[madmatix]

Religion = Money

and if you don't donate enough money your soul shall not be saved.

I'm all for a little Christan morale's.....or even Mormon's....I do think we have gone

to far, in the pursuit of freedom of expression etc....I digress....It's the duality's of

of the Human species, to help or to hinder. Church and government need to be

separate. People peddling gods law are only doing so for their own agenda.

Remember money corrupts.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@madmatix Sounds like you want to cast dispersions. 

[madmatix]

@BornAgainstMormons I want to spread logic and reason.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@madmatix This is coming from someone who has a 'gang fight' as their featured video? I am not buying it.

[77tubuck]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is FALSE. This is shown by the fact that I threw a copy of the book of mormons into a fire and it burned. If the church were true the book would not have burned. If you don't believe me you can try burning the book yourself.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@77tubuck My books don't burn. They even float.

[mdlinks]

the maker of this video is a coward and a liar.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@mdlinks We both know neither one of those are true.

[mdlinks]

@mdlinks Sorry, your basis for knowing what is 'true' and mine are quite different. So, I would suggest you stop telling people you 'know' what they do and do not know. Your ASSumptions are just that. Nothing more, you have no magical oil or handshake or underwear that allows you some special insight into truth. Do you have an invisibility ring and a magic wand too? I mean, you believe in magic rocks that can turn translucent and translate gold books. True fantasy.

[Trumpetnerd34]

what movie is the soundtrack from?

[BornAgainstMormons]

@Trumpetnerd34 none

[Trumpetnerd34]

We don't hate and while we are attacked we are only the versus the devil not against our brothers and sisters if you meet a gay person befriend them be kind to those who hurt you they slap you turn the other cheek and keep smiling wish them a good day if they really dislike you your actions lead to how they react like we gave the westboro baptist church acknoledgement by talking about how rediculous they were and they got worse saying we are against someone will only bring more fighting back

[jsmith33wives]

@Texas2Ohioandback

Very true GOD loves the sinner but hates the sin. Straight people living together (sexual) that are not married will suffer the same fate.

[LoK3y]

I'm glad that the Christian Mormons are showing how much hate and ignorance are in their hearts! hahaha

[BornAgainstMormons]

@LoK3y Mormon Christians are versus hate and ignorance. You ignorantly must have missed the title and video.

[jsmith33wives]

@BornAgainstMormons

David Whitmer: 1. David Whitmer said in 1887: "If you believe my testimony to the Book of Mormon; if you believe that God spake to us three witnesses by his own voice, then I tell you that in June, 1838, God spake to me again by his own voice from the heavens, and told me to 'separate myself from among the Latter-day Saints...'" Address to all believers in Christ, p27, 1887

[Trumpetnerd34]

@BornAgainstMormons Your title makes it seem like we hate Gays and atheists but we don't like presidents of the church have some times said if you are hurt turn the other cheech to the one who hurt you

[BornAgainstMormons]

@Trumpetnerd34 Hate is a strong word. Versus doesn't conjure up hate in the average person, nor should it. We are also versus hate, does that mean we hate hate?

[bossendenwoodconvict]

Mormons and gays are simmilar.1) Both groups have been persecuted. 2) Both interpret any criticism as persecution.

The mormons got a taste of their own medicine from gays. Mormons are not hateful, but were wrongly accused of hate by gays because they disagree with same sex unions. It must be horrible to be described as hateful just for disagreeing with something! Perhaps having had this experience mormons will now cease accusing others of hate simply for disagreeing with mormonism.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@bossendenwoodconvict I take it you are a Baptist. Since, it is Baptists that have persecuted every group since this nation began. There is no love and no God in being the persecutor.

[bossendenwoodconvict]

@BornAgainstMormons No I'm not a baptist.

[joshmonster94]

@bossendenwoodconvict

"wrongly accused of hate by gays because they disagree with same sex unions."

So it isn't discrimination if I say that a certain group of people can't marry? Discrimination is a form of hate.

The disagreement was on human rights, and taking them away from a group for no good reason, in fact, there is almost NEVER a good reason to take away rights from a normally peaceful group of people.

[rememberthis12000]

Hello. It is impossible to know the inner joys or challenges of someone else. In this case, I don't know you at all, so I dont know what has inspired your stand against Mormons. What I can say is that I am sorry for whatever you have experienced in your life to cause you to direct your energies against this group. I have "waged war" in my life before, to stand against an opposing force/idea/group before. I know it's hard and I know that it is the experiences before-hand that inspire....1of2

[rememberthis12000]

@rememberthis12000 ...(2of2)...I know it's hard and I know that it is the experiences before-hand that inspire that opposition. It may be that you have found peace, and if you have, then I hope you continue to enjoy it. If you have not, I hope you find peace, joy and happiness. I am sincerely sorry for whatever wrongs have brought you to this place of unquestioned opposition of this group. Take Care.

[cayetanohawaii]

What is your issue with gay people? What have they done to you? I do NOT support homosexuality and will probably be the first to speak out against it. However, I see the purpose of this video is to make judgement on a certain group of people, which is not your job. You represent Mormons well. Although we can protest things, we need to let people make their own choices and leave it between them and God, giving everyone equal treatment. I've seen how Mormons harass others for being different.

[NavajoJoe66]

This video makes Mormons look terrible.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@NavajoJoe66 If that were the case, you would spend your time promoting the video instead of insufficiently trying to work against it.

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Oh it's the case alright. If there was any doubt that religion makes people dumb, this video more than proves it.

[jsmith33wives]

@BornAgainstMormons

Why does the Mormon Temple in salt lake have the eye of horus on it? Why does the temple have the masonic hand shake on it? Why does the Mormon bible contain french?

[NavajoJoe66]

I can't believe how stupid religion has made you people. Where is your intellectual honesty? Where is your curiosity and desire to investigate the truth of a proposition? Religion has truly limited your thinking and stunted your intellectual growth. This is why religion is bad for mankind. Such a shame.

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback Not by the looks of things.

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback Anyone who would want to be part of an organization that doesn't accept them for who they are has got serious problems.

And there is no reliable evidence or peer-reviewed studies to support your claim that sexual orientation can be changed. They might choose to be celibate, but they are still gay. Some may even choose to marry under false pretexts, and live miserable lives (and make their spouse miserable as well). But they are still gay.

Please educate yourself.

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback Yeah, and to think Lot was the only righteous man in Sodom. And here he is offering his daughters to be raped by an angry mob. What a guy! LOL. Not to mention the fact that his daughters later get him drunk and have sex with him two nights in a row. Incest and genocide! Quite the holy book you've got there!

I would encourage you to look into what SCIENCE has to say about sexual orientation, instead of putting all your stock into a Bronze Age holy text.

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback What makes you think Sodom was punished over sexual orientation, and not rape? The Joseph Smith Translation of Genesis 19 offers even further clarification:

"Wherefore they said unto the man, We will have the men, AND thy daughters also; and we will do with them as seemeth us good. Now this was after the wickedness of Sodom."

Given that this mob was demanding that Lot turn over his guests AND his daughters to be raped, why are you attributing Sodom's punishment to gays?

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback So next time you see someone point at gay people and say "Sodom and Gommorah", I want you to think about what your holy book actually SAYS, not what you THINK it says.

By the way, how the heck can someone "deny" something that isn't even indicated? Good grief man. You religious folks all sound like your brains are on autopilot.

Also, where does it say anything about the people of Sodom being zoophiles? Or, are you just making stuff up again?

[NavajoJoe66]

@Texas2Ohioandback So if the text says NOTHING about gay people as even ONE of the reasons given for the destruction of Sodom, why are you asserting that it is? Why are you making stuff up? Why do you religious knuckleheads make gay people the scapegoats of this particular story? You really ought to be ashamed of yourself, misusing your own holy book to justify your bigotry. You are misusing the Bible in the same way slave-owners and slave-traders misused the Bible to justify slavery.

[NavajoJoe66]

Also, have you even read the story of Sodom? Genesis 19. Do yourself a favor and read it. And then read the Joseph Smith Translation. And then come back and tell me how you get the idea that Sodom was destroyed because of gay people.

Seriously, I cannot believe how little you people know about your own religion. It boggles the mind.

[NavajoJoe66]

How about LDS prophet Ezra Taft Benson?

“The scriptures abound with evidences of the severe consequences of the sin of pride to individuals, groups, cities, and nations. ‘Pride goeth before destruction.’ It destroyed the Nephite nation and the city of Sodom.” - Ezra Taft Benson, "Beware of Pride,” Ensign, May 1989

According to him, it was pride that destroyed Sodom. Not gay people. So why are you promoting opinions contrary to your leaders?

[NavajoJoe66]

I had a look at your "Recovery to Mormonism" website, btw. What a joke. It's just one straw-man after another. Anyone with even a sliver of intelligence could see through that load of apologetic rubbish.

[imtherealthing]

@Texas2Ohioandback

I have known this anti-mormon for about 3 years now. Trust me...there is a lot more here than you know.

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing Whatever, I think I've talked to you like, twice. If that. 

[NavajoJoe66]

What do gay people and non-believers have to do with "hate, corruption and darkness"..? Good grief man. You don't get out much, do you.

But hey, thanks for demonstrating how religion makes people dumb. You discredit your religion more than any of your perceived "enemies" ever could.

[imtherealthing]

@NavajoJoe66

Oh look... the freak is back at it again...we know you are an anti-mormon. I have dealt with you before. I see you are still railing and howling like the other devils ...poor pathetic little man. I hope you enjoy hell when you get there - your time will come along with all the other little devils.

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing "Anti-Mormon"? More like anti-stupidity.

Given that your religion is a very obvious hoax, your silly little threats will get you nowhere with me. And I must say, I find it supremely ironic that you knuckleheads whine about being hassled when you produce these garbage videos like the one featured above. You can't claim to be persecuted when you're the one inciting it. But ,of course, you're too stupid to realize that for yourselves. Religion has made you mental midgets.

[imtherealthing]

@NavajoJoe66

Wow..such venom, anger, and hatred...you truly seem to be a person who does so well without God in his life. To spend so much time and "energy" in your attacks against the LORD's church - I feel sorry for you..plain and simple.

You have no peace in your life because you are a miserable soul and I am absolutely sure you do not have many friends - who would want to be around a person like you? You need to develop yourself and your self-esteem.

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing You are correct, I don't need to accept supernatural claims in order to live a happy and purposeful life, let alone Mormon and / or Christian claims that are so obviously false. Maybe someday you'll put a little critical thought into why you've accepted these claims, instead of allowing your emotions to dictate whether a claim is true. Until then, you've got no currency with me.

My social life is robust and very satisfying. Sorry to disappoint you.

[pangeanet]

@NavajoJoe66 if your social life is so robust and satisfying why demean it by degrading others. I agree with you that you can live a good live without attending any specific faith just so long as you follow the same principles but with different words and/or meanings attached to them. Living a good life means loving all people unconditionally whether you agree with them or not. All the best and a request you stop insulting a good people who are simply trying to better themselves.

[NavajoJoe66]

@pangeanet Perhaps you should run and tell that to the maker of this video, for attacking gay people and non-believers. He obviously doesn't have better things to do.

Sorry, but some of us don't appreciate how religion promotes intolerance and hatred, and pollutes the knowledge of mankind with nonsense. Religion is evil. It makes good people do bad things. This video is a good example of religion stunting all critical thought and I am simply pointing that out.

[pangeanet]

@NavajoJoe66 while I can see your side and while I do not personally follow this type of approach to sharing my beliefs each one is individual and unique and I am thankful that we all have the freedom of speech. Considering the hate videos I have seen others make against others and our own faith I understand this video & consider this very mild though some will only understand the directness of this approach. Knowing what his faith actually teaches I know it does teach good things.

[NavajoJoe66]

@pangeanet The "directness" of his approach? More like obnoxiousness. But that is as much his religion's fault as his own.

Sure, Mormonism teaches some good things. But so does every other religion and cult. That doesn't make them true, or worthy of your time, energy and money. And it certainly doesn't give anyone the right to behave like an irresponsible jerk. I have to wonder what "BornAgainstMormon's" stake president would think of this video.

I can't believe you're defending this stuff.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@NavajoJoe66 I have two words for you Sodom Gomorrah. I am sure they would take your same approach to this video.

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Well I have three words for you: Read Your Bible. Nowhere does it say that Sodom was destroyed because of gay people. Even your own LDS prophets can't seem to agree as to why Sodom was destroyed.

Good grief, man. Do you know ANYTHING about your religion? I am constantly amazed by how illiterate you folks are about your own religion.

In fact, do yourself a favor and read the Joseph Smith Translation of Genesis 19. Seems to me the sin of Sodom was rape -- not gay people.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@NavajoJoe66 Jude 1:7

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Thanks for proving my point. There is nothing in Jude 1:7 alluding to gay people. If you are assuming that the King James translation of "strange flesh" refers to gays, I am afraid you are mistaken. The correct translation from the Greek is simply "other flesh", which could mean any number of things -- most likely adultery.

Is that really the best you can do? The reasons for the destruction of Sodom are given, like, twenty times in the Bible. Where is the reference to gays?

[BornAgainstMormons]

@NavajoJoe66 Using that same logic the word gay doesn't apply to homosexuality, it means happy?

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Depends on the context, knucklehead. Good grief man, have you even TRIED to think for yourself?

Let's see what the prophet Ezekiel said the sin of Sodom was:

"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me.” - Ezekiel 16:49

Do you see any reference to gay folks there?

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons How about the prophet Joseph Smith, what does he say about it?

“In consequence of rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Prophets whom God hath sent, the judgments of God have rested upon people, cities, and nations, in various ages of the world, which was the case with the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, that were destroyed for rejecting the Prophets.” - Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 192-205.

Any mention of gay folks, specifically, in there?

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons How about LDS apostle Neil A. Maxwell?

“When love waxes cold, let the poor and the needy beware too, for they will be neglected, as happened in ancient Sodom.” - Neal A. Maxwell, Repent of [Our] Selfishness’ (D&C 56:8), Ensign, May 1999

Do you see any reference, specifically, to gay people in there? I sure don't! It seems to me that Sodom (if it even existed) was destroyed for a whole slew of reasons -- none of which can be attributed to gay people specifically.

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Not to mention the fact that the book of Jude was written by Christians a few thousand years after the Hebrew book of Genesis. The sins of Sodom are listed numerous times in the Old Testament. Guess what? No reference to gays.

What do your LDS prophets say was the reason for the destruction of Sodom?

And did you read the Joseph Smith "translation" of the Sodom story?

Besides, think about it. How likely is it that Lot is living in a city inhabited entirely by gay rapists?

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing And by the way, typing a few sentences on a keyboard really doesn't take much time or energy. Maybe it does for you, but that's about what I'd expect of someone who's intellectual output has been stunted by religion. Perhaps your criticism is better reserved for the producer of this silly video, for giving Mormons a bad name.

And you can keep your pity for me, I don't need it. In fact, I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for anyone who can't think for themselves.

[BornAgainstMormons]

@imtherealthing I think this is one of the biggest problems with NavajoJoe66, his venom, anger, and hatred blind him from seeing the difference between good and evil. Darkness and light.

[imtherealthing]

@BornAgainstMormons

Um..yah...to say the least...NavaJoe66 is more than your typical anti-mormon full of hate, bitterness, and full of himself - he is a little unbalanced. He truly believes he is happy and intelligent...lol

[BornAgainstMormons]

@imtherealthing I am sure that is the darkness in him.

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons Yup that's it. It's just the "darkness" in me. And if I just accept the same unsupported, nonsensical claims that you knuckleheads have, I'll be full of radiant light -- just like you guys! LOL

Good grief. You dingbats are NOT a credit to your religion.

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing Not only do I "believe" myself to be happy -- I know it! And I would be in a better position to make that assessment than you, dont'cha think?

As for intelligence, well you've offered nothing by way of argument to convince me that you've put much thought into any of this. All you've done is point the finger and cite stories and verses from a book. Any idiot can do that. Sorry, but you're going to have to work a little harder than that to get any traction with me.

[imtherealthing]

@NavajoJoe66

Don't talk to me about "idiots"...lol...you are the poster boy.

[NavajoJoe66]

@imtherealthing What a robust argument!

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons I think the biggest problem with you is that you haven't learned how to think for yourself. You've abdicated your morality and intellectual honesty to a Bronze Age book that you accept to be authoritative simply because it declares itself to be. The moral and intellectual laziness of you religious folks is the very reason why you deserve no respect whatsoever.

[elgmalone]

@imtherealthing I've always wondered why Christians think they can scare non-Christians by threatening them with hell. Why is that? What if I told you your actions are only going to result in you reincarnating into a cockroach in your next life? Would that scare you? Of course not. Because you don't believe in reincarnation do you? So it's an empty threat. The ONLY religions that believe in Hell or a form of eternal damnation or Christian (by Christian I mean anyone who accepts ...

[elgmalone]

@imtherealthing Jesus as the savior) and Muslims. That's it. Not Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, or anyone else. So what makes you think it's a threat?

[elgmalone]

@NavajoJoe66 Sickeningly enough, he's not discrediting it at all. I lived in Mesa, AZ for 3 years. The second largest Mormon Community to Utah. They're hatred, especially against gay people, is quite vehement. It's amazing they had enough hate left in their hearts to turn towards Blacks, Mexicans, and Native Americans, but when it comes to the vile judgement of others they have no limit.

[omiolo2]

But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 2:11

[BornAgainstMormons]

@omiolo2 And darkness is slowly covering the earth.

[NavajoJoe66]

@BornAgainstMormons You religious folks and your negative, fearful and paranoid views of the world. Good grief, man. Get a life. Seriously. Religion is rotting your brains.

[pangeanet]

@BornAgainstMormons yet with the light of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ and before it all shadows flee. It is a simple law of physics and an Eternal law. If ye are prepared ye shall not fear and as long as we have the gospel there is no reason to fear.