Can Chávismo survive without Hugo?

[andrssk]

U.S. no se ha dado cuenta aún de que ellos son los malos de la película, ivaden países bombardean escuelas, derrocan goviernos, nada de eso lo ha hecho chávez, y claro mientras el pueblo de EEUU siga comiendo hamburguesas y viendo esta clase de programas jamás dejaran de ser los seres mediocres q son!Suerte y buen probecho!

[MasterPervy123]

VIVA HUGO CHAVEZ

FUCK usa.

[walaa925]

If Colin powell lived in a sensible democracy he would have been serving a life sentence in a high security prison for his coverup of the Mai Lai masscare.

The hypocrasy makes me sick. even if you hate socialism, the last thing any country needs in the current economic crisis is an economically liberal government.

Chavez is a hero, most of thoes who call him a dictator dont know anything about the dictators that the US funded and still does!!

[caboagua]

Viva Hugo Chavez !! Viva Venezuela!!!

Mi Presedente y mi comandante Hugo Chavez eres el Segundo Simon Bolivar! eres un Hombre de pueblo, el pueblo de todo el mundo! CHAVEZ AMIGO EL PUEBLO ES CONTIGO!!

Saludos y todos mis respetos

...un Rifeño de Nador , Norte de Marruecos....

[larrycake1981]

viva chavez. viva democractic socialism. peace love and freedom.

[tmprogram]

having chavez is still better than bush

[mushroomagicman]

Chavez for US president! THEN you'd see some positive changes. A POPULAR leader is something Western governments NEVER have..... and if they do they die - like Kennedy.

North American presidents represent the many.

South American presidents represent the few!

Viva Chavez!!!

[egodidacus]

I think your continents are mixed up... and with the elitist cultures of South America, palling in comparison only to that of Britain, I'd have to say you may be making a gross generalization. Since the 1800s its just been a banquet between the military and the wealthy elite, which do you think Chavez belongs to?

[EmeterioBetances]

In the Western sense its not about Democracy just look at Hamas in Gaza. Its about absolute rules absolutely. U.S. will continue to attack any and every nation. Under the hidden gieze of humanitarian aid. Yeah we see it happening in Gaza. Israel opens the "corriders" to give food and aid. But at the sametime drops U.S. manufactured weapons droped on a 1 year old child. Democracy. Congress approving Israel attack does not represent the population in America. That really undemocratic. Democracy!

[0ologitechnewbieo0]

CHAVEZ ROCKS!

HES LIKE THE CASTRO OF SOUTH AMERICA SO TO FUCK HIM OFF IS JUST STUPID FOR VENEZUELA!

But..we all know hes corrupt like the rest of the world politicians lol

[madebutante]

I DO just love him and Evo! If I wasn't a dedicated American, I'd like to live there...on the beach and eat mangos!!! And work for justice, of course!!

[manhattanwombat]

who cares? venezuela wont be in the news again till crude hits 100 again lol

[madebutante]

who cares? people who love democracy. Watch independent news, not corporate news:

DEMOCRACYNOW dotttorrgggg

oh, ya and real news.

[manhattanwombat]

what about hitler?

[madebutante]

Prescott Bush worked for the Nazis via a bank in New York. I think baby W tried his best to fulfil that fascist lust in his lineage. that's what..oh, and isn't it ironic that Jews are committing genocide now? Viva Viva libertad viva viva democracia viva viva justicia may hugo always be fair, and love the people more than money or power!!!

[manhattanwombat]

chavez is great but seriously with oil prices this low he doesnt have the 'power' internationally he used to have.

[historywillabsolve]

venezuela is very high on the list of states the elite want to dominate. remember that the CIA tried to remove chavez in april 2002, that was a full year before the iraq invasion. both of these countries have one thing in common (huge energy reserves)

[unab84]

The US boast about democracy everywhere, but the only friends they have are dictators...

They boast about free press, but they have the most hypocrite and biased medias that I ever saw. They talk about being the ''policeman of the world'' when nobody ever asked anything. The US should mind its own fucking buisness and let the world be...

[phackqu]

zeitgeist now!demand resource economy !fukc the monetary system!

[thenewvoice8]

americans are wankers

'democray' in inverted comma's eh - their definition is simple though, if it is for us then it is democratic - if it isn't you are a rogue state.

If it wasn't they would have hit Saudi Arabia ages ago!

Chavez has been elected twice - thats more than fucking Bush was.

I despair man at the ignorance and sheep like behaviour of the yanks - bunch of monkey juzz fucktards

I aint in a good man today!

vie la chavez!

[johnsmdm]

jews must get this guy sirs..

[BOBSMOKETV]

Why dont they just come out and say we want to control your oil. We are all grown here. Lets just stop with the pretending.

[krum369]

kinda sad that the American gov't condemns all the others that aren't like it, they should really mind there own fucking business and stop making this world a hell hole.

[MuslimGhost]

lol, the jew-blowing faggots from the jewnited states, who prop up and install dictatorships all over the world, and ignore the will of the American people by launching an illegal war in Iraq and handing over trillions of dollars to jewish bankers in bailout money, are fauling Chavez for being undemocratic? At least Chavez represents Venuzuela.. the politicians here represent Israel, a foreign country.. thats called treason

[JMHamilton1]

This is a very good resport as well as the information within it. 5/5 star TherealNews.

[blackiron60]

However powerful the grassroots activists are, and however democratic a system is, there will always be a need for leaders - even if it is only in a symbolic sense - to embody the common vision and to inspire continued progress toward common goals.

[t4705mb6]

To hear ANYONE in Washington lecture about "democracy" really tickles my funny bone.

Our "leaders" wouldn't know "democracy" if it smacked them between the eyes like a 2X4!!

Our fascist government & corporations HATE Hugo because the PEASANTS actually have a voice!

The NWO agenda is NOT about giving the PEOPLE power, it is about ELIMINATING people power COMPLETELY & placing ALL decisions in the hands of an oligarchy, a few self-appointed WEALTHY.

[vandall]

Clearly you've never been to a third or second world nation .

[t4705mb6]

You, like most, are laboring over something you know NOTHING about. You have NO idea at all where I have been, what I have done, what I know or who I am.

It is VERY dangerous in life to base perceptions through assuming ANYTHING.

[MopacMurtaza]

Wow, didnt know Venezuelan women was so beautiful :-*

[iramaarias2007]

Chávez is hope for Venezuelan and South American people. Listen the blondie girl in the clip... That is true.

[barlog20]

God bless Hugo Chavez and this is from an American.

[vandall]

Do you have any idea what your talking about ?

[barlog20]

You just one of those mainstream media zombie`s.Poof be gone

[happosai21]

lol yea every "evil" dictator disobeys america.. but the good dictators were put in power by america

[teemuruskeepaa]

The fact that Chavez doesn't answer to criticism and doesn't ever talk with 'no' people, proves he isn't a spearhead. Still, if he could change that, he could still make the capitalist overthrow possible.

[egodidacus]

Venezuela is as ready to overthrow capitalism as Victorian Germany was, or for that matter, and more distinctly so, as Feudal Russia and China. The meaningful overthrow of capitalism necessitates global capitalism, with a fully integrated world economy, where corporations have no where else to offshore work and where technology has reached the point of overthrowing cost and at the same time profit. Overthrowing capitalism is as meaningful as trying to achieve "socialism" in one country, a waste.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Yeah, I know what the conclusions tell about global revolution. It isn't important in all cases however. Actually it too depends on the state of your political system. You see the rich white middle aged males attack you only if you are hostile to their traditions. Traditions can't be attacked by force but they can be rejected. That usually leads to social exclusion and isolation, but a socialist needs an alternative that allows him to function regardless of the prevailing culture. They allow it

[egodidacus]

They do not, for they have not undergone the social liberalization that capitalism serves to engender in nations. Socialist populists in the third world all together have done less good for their respective countries put together than any one European country that gets dismissively called by the US as "welfare capitalist." For a socialist to succeed they need to use capitalism and exploit its wealth generating powers in order to finance socialism and amplify it.

[egodidacus]

Marx espoused a very cold theory, the workers didn't mean much if capitalism was necessary for communism to occur. His theory wasn't about justice, but about the deterministic patterns of history that dictated that communism will occur.

Modern "socialists" I include myself in that group for functionality, have mushy feelings about justice, fairness, rights, and so on... we want a rainbow-backdrop transition, and I think keeping capitalism around is necessary for socialism with wealth growth.

[henryhetzer]

tyranny

[teemuruskeepaa]

No, they don't need Chavez as a spearhead. They don't any spearheads. Either people have direct political power, or then they are denied it. The American totalitarian democracy is in that way similar to Chavez in. Middle aged rich men rule alone.

[lastritesread]

you guys should realy look into Hugo Chavez. He pulled venezualan oil from opec and began selling it on his terms. He also gave the land the slums are built on to the people who live in them so they could own property and have a reason to improve there homes. Doesnt sound like a bad guy to me.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Hugo is good patron. He gives what the poor need, but that's not enough. Socialism is based on abolition of all social hierarchy, authority and the creation of equal political system. The poor must be empowered so that they can make what they need, not given.

[smartnsassy]

What needs to be abolished is your preconception of what Socialism is, or ought to be.

Chavez is taking Socialism to a new level.

Chavez is taking Socialism into the 21st century.

Chavez is the hope for the future.

[teemuruskeepaa]

I have no preconceptions. I have the truth. Socialism is liberation, not obedience. In my real life, I'm brilliant in making authorities angry everywhere. If Chavez was a patron, he would sanction me very quickly if I came up to Venezuela and starting criticizing his rule. Note that I'm not the right wing who are childish and selfish in fighting for their private means of production.

[egodidacus]

Socialism is but concession to the reigning Capitalist system, a Capitalism-lite if you will.

Then again you might mean Communism when you say Socialism, but if you claim to have the truth you'd know that the two are VERY different terms.

Socialism is not liberation, but veiled "liberation." I don't necessarily agree in all I've just said, but having studied Marx, you populist rebels do his theory a disservice.

[teemuruskeepaa]

I'm a full-time student of sociology, dude. In the backround, I'm a libertarian socialist. Wikipedia has a great article on it. Academically, I believe Marx didn't mean 'dictatorship of the proletariat'. It was a battle cry to mobilize people. He kinda expected people to believe in their own dictatorship in theory and use that theory to disprove capitalist truisms on the society. Fools have taken that dictatorship as the only real political goal of the party.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Conclusion: the worker's movement radicalized in the early 20th century and ruined the synergy of cooperation and lost the true nature of socialism between wrong and conflicting camps.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Hugo Chavez's thinking is based on the radicalized camp, not the social democratic one, whereas he should believe in democratic socialist origins and socialist cooperation of the working class. He is an authority and this way he is doomed to fail. Socialism is not in question, the way in which all parties gain access to the debates is.

[egodidacus]

the social democratic version, at least while i wear my marx cap on, is the problem, the workers eating the bread crumbs of concession by the capitalist system, instead of controlling all of it. The reason his is doomed to fail is that capitalism must be global and exhaustive for any real communism to exists, without that, no true communism can exist.

[teemuruskeepaa]

The social democratic version is not the democratic socialist, original version by the 19th century social scientists. I claim Marx was a very libertarian, anti-authoritarian and progressive person with his critique of the capitalist society. Other socialists can't be any less than that. This goes to both versions from the early 20th century.

[madebutante]

whoa, so what economic system should a progressive work for?

[egodidacus]

It was a complex theory of volumes of work turned into a washroom-reading pamphlet, and using hyperbole among the common people doesn't exactly bring delight into the world.

Marx' little satirical piece of the jewish "problem" brough about all the zionist corporate alien jews trying to rule the world madness that you hear from some corners.

Im not sure what the dictatorship of the proletariat comment have anything to do with anything though.

[henryhetzer]

I prefer Freedom, Only you and people like you should suffer under your ideals. It's childish and selfish to think that you know what's best for someone else.

[teemuruskeepaa]

It's totalitarian and dictatorship to think that other people can't change your opinions.

[henryhetzer]

Your reply has nothing to do with my statement. You ought to research about the victims of Socialism, then maybe your opinion would change. It was wrong for me to reply in the first place the first time. I should of known from reading the comments in this utube that reason does not prevail. Have fun in your narrow-minded world. I will not reply further.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Your pessimism towards socialism is unnecessary. I know what the tyrants did and I disagree with them.

[henryhetzer]

Fine, I'll reply one last time. Socialism is tyranny. There are 10 Napoleons to the 10th power for each Snowball. If it is good for you, it is good for you, not me. Socialism is Slavery.

[teemuruskeepaa]

No, socialism is needed for the system we suffer now.

[andrssk]

Ignoramus, you say only what cnn say to you.

[egodidacus]

Chavez is sabotaging Socialism, like Stalin and friends have for the last 100 years. If anyone had half a clue about what Socialism actually was, they'd realize Imperialist America and Oxymoronic China were doing more to bring Communism into existence than all these intellectually dim populists ever could.

[madebutante]

Absolutely! DIY! Produce and use locally - collectives...I like that concept..keep 'globalization' out of the consumerism cycle as much as possible. ...but...what do you call such a system? my younger friends prlly call it anarchism..right? chido!

[teemuruskeepaa]

Yes, democracy actually can only work when the units are so small, that consensus debates are feasible, practical. I've been planning a progressive idea about a system, where Finland 5 million people would form city-based autonomous economies on basic level and trade with special interests. Cities should each have a big parliament for themselves instead for 5 million. All individuals have the right of veto. Federation would depend on consensus decisions only and is not forced.

[egodidacus]

Democracy, at least in this discourse, is not the paradigm. Whether you take the Athenians of Ancient Greece or the accident that was parliament in Britain, its foundation is but the endearment of an elected elite ruling the mob.

So long as class exists, true "freedom" cannot. Autonomous economies and special interest trade in city-state simply narrows down the class struggle. I guess you're not a fan of Marx's historical materialism.

[teemuruskeepaa]

I've read all there is to it since I started studying sociology 1,5 years ago. Economy may create the class relations and the structure of the society, but Marx failed to see the willful process by which ownership is turned into social structure. That willful process is the political decision making process. The political decision making process is the critical point where capitalism is created and luckily that can be reformed willfully. Socialism depends on direct democracy. Chavez brakes it

[egodidacus]

life determines consciousness, yes Marx says that, but consciousness determines life, he also says this, though I think he might be at odds with what you imply by the "wilful."

Assuming political decision making "creates" capitalism and can reform is one thing, assuming socialism "depends" on DIRECT democracy is a whole thing altogether.

Lastly, I don't know what you mean by "Chavez brakes it" what direct democracy in your small units conception? or brakes capitalism?

[egodidacus]

Correction: I see what you mean, he brakes direct democracy.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Yes, Chavez brakes direct democracy and I say that's why his socialism is faulty. As an authority, he stands in the way of the people and the capitalists. As a progressive direct democrat, he would create political debate in the place of alienation from work and products. You could say political participation is the true spirit of human work, political work, not industrial work. Work for common produce, not means of slavery. This works as an answer to your comments about 'no' people as well.

[egodidacus]

I think we agree more or less on the same issues, I have to apologize though that I don't understand very well a few things you've said, and I don't say this with disrespect. English is not your first language, and knowing it as well as you do being from Finland is significant I think, so I do not mean to be rude by saying this. I also want to apologize for the capitalized words and the sardonic tone, I was a bit upset then. I do appreciate what you've said though and will look into it.

[teemuruskeepaa]

Oh dear, I tried to hide my Finnish backround by making a good structure for my comments. I've regarded you as one of the few prudent intellectual chat companions online. Please come back if you wish to talk more.

[truthspeaker969]

funny how this bitch talks about Chavez has been "elected in quotations", G.WBush was "elected" two times as we all know..., so this stupid fox bitch better should shut her filthy mouth...

[karinablack]

Dude- it's FOX. o_0

[WhoRonPaul]

Venuzuela must be really awesome if the corporate news media and the NWO gov both dislike it

[ilikeicecreamandcake]

LMAOOOOOO.

[Zenboy23]

lol, yes

[davidinfo13]

no kidding, ..I was thinking the same thing. They keep talking about Venezuela

[madebutante]

the living democracy there is working, unlike the 'fake' one here. The news has to keep telling us, we have a 'democracy' and Venez. doesn't! Who be be more likely to overide the people's will w/ signing statements : Hugo or W. There's your answer.