Thanks for sharing and posting. It's very informational and educational interview.
What a pity. Sometimes, good videos like this got little click numbers. Well, you might not call this a video, but still, it's an excellent information source.
Hey Taik25. I wasn't talking to you, but now that you mention it, I highly recommend you quit from the Chinese Communist Party. You can do it right here on You Tube. Just say it once and it'll be done.
On January 15, 2008 Chinese communist party leader Hu Jintao warned that corruption would lead to the destruction of the CCP.
The statement was made during a 35-minute speech at the Second Meeting of the Central Committee for Discipline Inspection of the Seventeenth Plenary Conference of the CCP. Hu pointed out that the burden of corruption on the administration is causing bitterness and violence throughout Chinese society.
Taik25 wrote this. Click on the name and look at the navigation bar. (Top of the web browser). You can see the capital letter 'i'. It looks exactly like a lower case letter L here.
70,000 farmers from the Sanmenxia Reservoir Area on the Yellow River in Shaanxi Province unanimously decided to make a nationwide announcement, proclaiming their ownership over the land taken from them.
The farmers posted an online notice on December 12, reclaiming their ownership of 24,705 acres of expropriated land.
Meanwhile, representatives of the evictees were detained and charged with distributing leaflets and exercising influence through public opinion.
I see a problem buddy. More like you and your group are spending 24/7 pretending to be good Samaritans and exploiting China's and Chinese people's problems for money and support for Falun Gong's benefit. Wow, you people are a bunch of Scrooges. SHAME!
Excerpt from an open letter to Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabo, by Wang Zhaojun, a standing member of the Anhui Province Political Consultative Commission.
Freedom of belief is a globally recognized human right, and is protected by U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as well as by China's Constitution.
After the 1989 pro-democracy movement, Deng Xiaoping's successor regarded all non-communist organizations as 'causes of instability', and was determined to 'nip them in the bud' so as to reinforce the dictatorship of the Communist Party. With such a prejudice he targeted Falun Gong practitioners, a group of law-abiding citizens, and by cracking down on them tried to scare others into absolute obedience.
Falun Gong practitioners' efforts to 'reason and explain' were received as intolerable disrespect and offense, and they have been cruelly persecuted since then. This is not only a crackdown on Falun Gong; it is a suppression of the entire country.
Besides, I have to laugh to the fact you accused me of "promoting" this video as "hate speech" to justify "murder". How hypocritical of you. LOL! You guys are not even truthful and tolerant too. Surely your group do share many characteristics with the Chinese Communist Party, something you people don't want to acknowledge.
it's transparent. please read about the persecution of this group on the internet. the media campaign run by the CCP to vilify practitioners is the same as that used in Nazi germany, and in Rwanda for the genocides committed there. History teaches many lessons. I have flagged this and will be following it up. It's awful to promote this hate speech to justify murder and genocide.
LOL, I heard this same shit many times by the same fake "Chinese" group called the Falun Gong.
Does each FLG member have a list of ridiculously retarded ad hominem attacks against their critics?
But seriously enough, please stop using the Jewish holocaust to market your idiotic group.
Tell you what: I'm a Canadian-born Chinese and a Buddhist, and I can say that you and your group are an insult to my Chinese culture and my religious beliefs.
If you are a Buddhist, why don't you exemplify Buddhist values of compassion? I am speaking out against the persecution of innocent people, while you appear to be supporting that. People are tortured to death in China for their peaceful belief in Falun Dafa. It is very wrong to support that, and it is not at all in line with Buddhist philosophy.
You are free to your beliefs and views. I am glad you are not persecuted for that.
LOL! Just prove it to me that I ACTUALLY support torture, you people say this to every non-CCP critics. But really, you guys are an insult to my religion and human intelligence.
Tell you what, I didn't actually see you as a peaceful group other than being peaceful by name.
China once went by the name "The Land of the Divine" (Shen Zhou), because the people of the time believed that Chinese culture was a gift from the heavens.
From imperial court protocols to fine arts, music, fashion, and even science, all aspects of the society were aligned with the divine order.
[This is what the CCP tried to destroy with the cultural revolution. They're still trying to stop any genuine Chinese culture.]
WASHINGTON—Yahoo Inc Chief Executive Jerry Yang took a verbal lashing from U.S. lawmakers on Tuesday over the company's role in helping identify a Chinese dissident who was later imprisoned by the government.
"While technologically and financially you are giants, morally you are pygmies," Rep. Tom Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Yang and another Yahoo executive at the three-hour hearing. [I doubt Pygmies are so corrupt. T25]
An Australian court issued a default judgment Monday in a civil lawsuit filed by a torture survivor against China's Minster of Commerce Bo Xilai. Bo has been sued in over 10 countries for his role in the persecution of Falun Gong.
Pan Yu, a Falun Gong practitioner, sued Bo for torture during the minister's visit to Canberra for the APEC forum in September. Pan had been shocked with electric batons in a labor camp in Liaoning Province when Bo was governor.
"Life there was like being in a den of monsters, but torture couldn't change us."
This is how Canadian artist and sculptor Kunlun Zhang describes his time in a Chinese labor camp in "Beyond the Red Wall: The Persecution of Falun Gong", a one-hour documentary airing on CBC Newsworld Nov. 6. (Editor's note: CBC is a national television network, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
A CBC documentary about human rights abuses in China has been pulled from Canadian airwaves after the Chinese embassy put pressure on the nation's broadcaster.
"I'm pretty sure Stephen Harper is not happy about this," a government official said on condition of anonymity. "Last week, the prime minister stands up to Chinese threats and meets with the Dalai Lama. This week, the CBC kowtows to Chinese threats..."
Peter Rowe, who wrote, directed, and produced Beyond the Red Wall: The Persecution of Falun Gong for CBC, said he received a surprise call Tuesday from CBC just hours before the program was to air.
Jeff Keay, CBC's head of media relations English communications, admitted a cultural representative in Ottawa's Chinese embassy had called CBC within the last week to complain about the film. Days later, the film was pulled.
You should realize that CBC isn't a media company to broadcast propagandas promoted by The Epoch Times. Other than that, it's just only a politically motivated sloppy work done by Peter Rowe. CBC knew there some flaws in the film, which is why it was pulled on Wednesday.
BTW CBC said the film will be reviewed and edited before putting on air at a later date, but I think the film should be shown on NTDTV instead of CBC.
CBC is a broadcasting company funded by the government of Canada, so how can CBC be the loudspeaker for the Chinese Embassy and the Falun Gong?
Really, it seems like Falun Gong wanted CBC to be their propaganda media since they can't bring NTDTV to Canada. Just too compelled to destroy CBC's reputation as a most professional, unbiased news media company in the world.
Canadian filmmaker Peter Rowe isn't part of CBC BTW, but another shoddy opportunist along side David Kilgour. CBC reporter Patrick Brown wouldn't do what he did.
TORONTO—Canadian Broadcasting Corp. announced Friday it will air an edited film on the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners in China, after widespread criticism that the public broadcaster was bowing to pressure from the Chinese regime by pulling the film this week.
The film will air on CBC Newsworld's documentary program, The Lens, Nov. 20 at 10 p.m. Peter Rowe, the film's independent director and producer, says the last-minute changes being made will not dilute the film's message.
In other news: "CBC officials learned that a Falun Gong publication had been publishing stories that touted the broadcaster as a supporter of the spritual movement."
LOL, just how shameless the Falun Gong (and Canadians Against Propaganda) can really get. Protesting that the CBC was acting on the Chinese Embassy's complaint while forcing their propaganda into the broadcasting company's throat, then lying that the CBC is their group's supporter. Totally shameless.
Umm... dude, it's on CBC dot ca. the article is called "Group protests CBC scuttling of Falun Gong doc", found in the Arts and Entertainment news, under the TV section. Still there, easy to find.
I wonder why you're freaking out all of a sudden?
Is it because I quoted from a... CBC news article?
If it's true, they should be told not to do that. If it's not true, why would you say that? Right now, I don't believe you.
Shameless is CCP claims that organ harvesting is not happening, but not allowing anyone in to investigate, and only spewing out hate in reply to the one investigation that was done. No solid evidence against it. If it's not true, why not prove it?
Question: "No solid evidence against it. If it's not true, why not prove it?"
Answer: Again, allegations by the FLG against the Chinese government are proven not credible by the US state department. And also Mr. Kilgour isn't really helping the Falun Gong, but rather trying to gain something out of them.
The "US investigative team" you mention, as I recall, did not conclude that the allegations are not credible. The only US investigation I know of is the one that was invited to Sujiatun by CCP officials weeks after the allegations first appeared. The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible.
You wrote: "The only US investigation I know of is the one that was invited to Sujiatun by CCP officials weeks after the allegations first appeared. The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible."
20 hours ago: "Shameless is CCP claims that organ harvesting is not happening, but not allowing anyone in to investigate"
Man, I really love how you flip-flop and contradict yourself to death. lol
"The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible."
The team concluded there's no evidence, which mean there's no evidence to support your group's propaganda campaign. So therefore concluded the allegations are not credible.
People can read the report and determine for themselves if it's credible. Still waiting for a reply from the CCP that refutes anything in the report, other than a mistake of saying a certain city is in a certain county incorrectly. Why cannot the CCP provide proof? Why do they still refuse third party investigations?
Give it time. The truth will be known, and the guilty will be punished.
BTW: A guided tour by CCP officials at Sujiatun, two weeks after the allegations, can hardly be counted as an independent investigation. I would be very happy if you, or anyone, could prove that OH was not happening in China. Still waiting for irrefutable evidence, or at least cooperation by CCP for outside investigations.
"A guided tour by CCP officials at Sujiatun, two weeks after the allegations"
You're wrong here. The press release by the US State Department (via USINFO) and the congressional report (Order Code RL33437) specifically did not say the tour was "guided"
In fact, the US embassy did two visits to the site: One was undercover and the other a permitted tour, but not "guided" tour.
"Give it time. The truth will be known, and the guilty will be punished."
What? More time to make another fabricated story straight out of The Epoch Times? Sure. Make the US government waste more time and manpower for NOTHING, and the truth on how much taxpayers' money you people wasted will be known.
LOL, it took you a week to comprehend my comments.
"A tour is a tour."
Of course "tour" is a "tour".
"Permitted - guided. What's the difference?"
"Permitted" is when you're allowed to do certain actions, for example: You're permitted to take a tour of a jungle. "Guided" is when certain actions are provided with assistance, for example: The tour is a guided tour.
The tour by the US Dept of State is not independent because the US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice.
The CCP does not issue permits to anyone who wants to investigate the crimes it commits against innocent Chinese citizens, including it's own citizens. Instead, they arrest and torture them. CCP rules by violence and intimidation.
"The tour by the US Dept of State is not independent because the US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice."
LOL. Are you telling me that the Chinese government owned the US state dept? That must be the most ridiculous yet hilarious shit I've ever heard from an idiot like you.
"The US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice."
Dude, eventhough the US and others maintained healthy economic ties with China, the diplomatic relations between China and the US is as strained as the US relations with Russia.
Talk25, the US can throw any kind of BS no matter how important the bond is. Ranging from low risk, to as serious as the organ-FLG accusation, to giving an award to the Dalai Lama, or worst. China may be pissed off for days or months, but that doesn't stop China and the US from having a stable relationship since the late 1970s. Because China knew a relationship with the US is very important, as the US knew a relationship with China is very important.
So really Talk25, your reasonings just tells me that you barely or didn't even read my comments, or you just simply chose to ignore it altogether base on your logic and conscience.
In other word: You're able to give me irrelevant response to my comments 75% of the time. Which is directly proportional to your lack of acceptance to the real world.
""Permitted" is when you're allowed to do certain actions, for example: You're permitted to take a tour of a jungle. "Guided" is when certain actions are provided with assistance, for example: The tour is a guided tour."
I only explained two words: Permitted and Guided. I never explained the word "tour". Seriously, go back to high school and take English 12 again. lol
Whatever. A tour is not an investigation. It proves nothing, though CCP uses it like a huge political trophy.
CCP only permits people to look at what it wants them to see. If a Chinese citizen tells the truth, they arrest him on charges of revealing state secrets. How shameful of the CCP. How sad for wonderful Chinese people to be bullied by the cancer of society known as CCP.
That's true. Too bad the CCP doesn't 'permit' the 'investigation' to continue until the truth can be shown. The reason it's only a 'guided' tour is because it's scope is limited to what the CCP 'permits'. A true independent investigation requires that the investigators be given free choice as to when and where to investigate. Not going to happen under the CCP.
You wrote: "The reason it's only a 'guided' tour is because it's scope is limited to what the CCP 'permits'"
How about read this: "In these visits the officers were allowed to tour the ENTIRE facility and grounds and found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital"
But really the tour isn't "guided", and there's no "limit" on what the Chinese gov't permitted.
In the real world you can't change facts and informations presented here just to sound satisfying for yourself and your group other than criticizing it, but I know you and your group has the inability to criticize and to produce a valid argument. Not willing to listen and just plain ignorant just makes you a hard headed dick.
So what? It's still just a tour, not a genuine, independent investigation. There IS a limit by the CCP. They permitted a tour of a single facility, after having enough time to remove evidence. If there is "no limit", as you suggest, then they should let the investigators in.
"It's still just a tour, not a genuine, independent investigation."
LOL! What a sad person you really are. Face it, the US (the unofficial world police) are the only people who got the balls to visit the facility undercover and without supervision.
I'm talking about their first trip, and you don't even want to talk about it. All you whine is the second trip in which you really haven't got the clue what you're talking about. Your argument are so weak as it appears you read off a paperless script.
The Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG) recently publicized the voice recordings of its investigation of the Beijing Military Hospital, Jingzhou Court of Hebei Province, and Guangxi National Hospital. The recordings clearly show that the Chinese Communist Party is continuing its crimes of harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners.
OK, I admit. I want to be Chinese, but Chinese people won't let me. China hate me because I want to be Asian. I tried to become a Buddhist monk, but I got kicked out of school because I'm retarded. So I joined the Falun Gong, they are real Buddhist and 100% Chinese group.
Falun Dafa Practitioner Mr. Zhang Qiwang lives in Zhangyanglou Village, Mendian Town, Qing County, Cangzhou City. On October 9, 2007, more than ten policemen from Cangzhou City Department, Qing County Department, and Chongxian Station arrested him, and detained him in Qing County Detention Center.
At noontime on October 26, Richmond City Council members, community leaders, school teachers, and students rallied outside the Richmond City Council chambers. City Council member Ms. McQuinn issued a proclamation to the Human Rights Torch Relay and the Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG), proclaiming the week of October 21-28 as Human Rights Torch Awareness Week. The City of Norfolk also issued a proclamation for the Human Rights Torch Relay.
I happen to been there accidentally, but it's not big of a rally. Then sometime ago last weekend I saw a small HRTR/CIPFG kiosk on Robson St (Downtown Vancouver), and nearby at the same place there was a Chinese Christian group handing out free bible. They had a very elaborate booth and the group are very polite, unlike the HRTR/CIPFG guys. So which group get all the attention? Obviously the Christian group stole the show.
BTW, that chick who handed out that bible is hot. I would've took the bible and asked her for her phone number. Too bad I didn't take it because I'm Buddhist.
In other news today: while I was waiting for the bus, I saw a guy taking a piss on a Epoch Times news stand at the Metrotown busloop.
As the 17th National Congress of the CCP concluded, the new Politburo Standing Committee candidates continued to engage in vicious internal party battles. The following day, developments in the case involving Zhou Zhengyi sparked a media uproar. Hong Kong news media reported that authorities dug up evidence which implicated Jiang Mianheng, former Chinese leader Jiang Zeming's son, in the crime scandal.
While in the detention center, Ms. Liu Jinfeng was often beaten very badly by the director, Deng Yong'an, because she refused to renounce Falun Gong. On July 23, 2007, during one of the more severe beatings by Deng, Ms. Liu lost consciousness. After the beating, she was unable to move, could not walk to the restroom without support and needed help with her pants.
Ms. Liu lives in the 7th Division of Huoma Village in Maping Township, Wugang City, Hunan Province.
Wang Zhaojun, standing member of the Anhui Province Political Consultative Commission, recently wrote an open letter to Chinese leaders Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao stating that Falun Gong is the most urgent issue for China.
Wang pointed out in the letter that the most urgent issue is to stop the persecution against Falun Gong and provide state compensation for the victims.
On November 3, one week after Mr. Wang Zhaojun wrote an open letter to Chinese leaders Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, Jurist and Board Chairman Zheng Cunzhu of Jiahe Food Co. Ltd. in Anhui Province also published an open letter to Hu and Wen. In the letter he requested immediate political reforms at the city and county levels and an end to the persecution of Falun Gong. He called for more people to stand up and speak out.
Due to his refusal to renounce his faith and for his perseverance in cultivating in Falun Dafa, Cai Zidong was illegally sentenced to seven years of imprisonment by the Shiyan City Court in Hubei Province. On October 11, 2007, one day before the end of his illegal imprisonment, Mr. Cai was unlawfully and secretly transferred to a brainwashing center in Wuhan City and persecuted for an extended period of time.
Falun Dafa practitioners at Jiepai Town, Shandong Province have been subjected to illegal brainwashing; have had money and personal belongings extorted from them; and have been physically abused, beaten, and maligned numerous times by Communist officials. Those responsible for the persecution of practitioners in Jiepai Town are: Gong Pidong, Lou Shuqing, Zhai Xiaolin, Song Shufu, Hu Shoudong, Peng Bo, Gong Maoju, Zhang Debin, Zhang Wenjia, and Ma Lin.
Anyway, please don't listen to lies from CNN, ABC, Time Magazine, and other CCP-supported American medias. FOX NEWS is OK. Only Epoch Times, NTDTV, and Sound of Hope represent the truth, and those are very popular with Chinese people worldwide. You are Chinese right? So why slander us? Oh and please read the Zhuan Falun and you'll understand. OK?
I have never accused CNN, ABC, or Time Magazine of telling lies. I don't watch Fox much. I've never said people will understand if they read Zhuan Falun.
Yes. Falun Dafa is good, but it's not for everyone.
Hi Wong. How's it going? Still slandering Falun Dafa I see.
Falun Dafa is good. Anyone can come and see for themselves. Falun Dafa is free, and people are free to come and go as they please. We have nothing to hide.
Thanks for uploading. I tried reading one of li hongzi's books, and know people who are involved in falun gong. I have a bad feeling about it.
Hrothulf19 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing and posting. It's very informational and educational interview.
What a pity. Sometimes, good videos like this got little click numbers. Well, you might not call this a video, but still, it's an excellent information source.
Thanks again!
AntiDefm 3 years ago
Falun Gong is disgusting! just like Scientology
ConjugateGradient 3 years ago 2
Hey Wong, are you a communist party member?
Talk25 4 years ago
Well hey, I'm also a CCP member too Wong!!!
ADMIT IT!!!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Hey Taik25. I wasn't talking to you, but now that you mention it, I highly recommend you quit from the Chinese Communist Party. You can do it right here on You Tube. Just say it once and it'll be done.
You too Wong.
Talk25 4 years ago
Wong! Stop deleting Taik's comments you stupid asshole.
You should quit the CCP because you are a disgrace to the party and falun dafa!!!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Man, I have no flippin clue what you're talking about:
1. You think I'm a CCP bandit.
2. You claimed to be a CCP bandit.
3. Why are you talking to an imaginary guy?
You must have serious mental problems here, so here's my recommendation:
Quit the CCP and the Falun Gong.
lol.
awong20XX 4 years ago
I don't know what you're talking about either.
Speak2Me25 4 years ago
Hey, it's a sockpuppet of the demented Talk25.
awong20XX 4 years ago
On January 15, 2008 Chinese communist party leader Hu Jintao warned that corruption would lead to the destruction of the CCP.
The statement was made during a 35-minute speech at the Second Meeting of the Central Committee for Discipline Inspection of the Seventeenth Plenary Conference of the CCP. Hu pointed out that the burden of corruption on the administration is causing bitterness and violence throughout Chinese society.
Talk25 4 years ago
But then, if CCP falls then we'll feel very lonely.
CCP is our tight homie.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Taik25 wrote this. Click on the name and look at the navigation bar. (Top of the web browser). You can see the capital letter 'i'. It looks exactly like a lower case letter L here.
Talk25 4 years ago
Man, I hate being imitated...
TaIk25 4 years ago
Ah well, at least I'm not lonely. ;D
TaIk25 4 years ago
Hey Taik25, are you Wong too?
Talk25 4 years ago
70,000 farmers from the Sanmenxia Reservoir Area on the Yellow River in Shaanxi Province unanimously decided to make a nationwide announcement, proclaiming their ownership over the land taken from them.
The farmers posted an online notice on December 12, reclaiming their ownership of 24,705 acres of expropriated land.
Meanwhile, representatives of the evictees were detained and charged with distributing leaflets and exercising influence through public opinion.
Talk25 4 years ago
On December 26, 2007. Talk25 still doesn't have a life.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
It's true.
TaIk25 4 years ago
BTW, I'm trying to raise Falun Gong's profile by showing we care about China and Chinese people. 24/7
TaIk25 4 years ago
I see a problem buddy. More like you and your group are spending 24/7 pretending to be good Samaritans and exploiting China's and Chinese people's problems for money and support for Falun Gong's benefit. Wow, you people are a bunch of Scrooges. SHAME!
awong20XX 4 years ago
shut up! stop making lies about us! you CCP supporter!
TaIk25 4 years ago
lol. You're an idiot.
(^o^)
awong20XX 4 years ago
>>>awong20XX these guys are bougs
CaptainCool07 4 years ago
Yet their stupidity are pretty entertaining.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
Taik25
Talk25 4 years ago
This was written by Taik25
Talk25 4 years ago
It's interesting how the type font on You Tube makes the Capital letter 'i' look exactly like the lower case letter 'L'
That's why Taik25 can try to masquerade as TaLk25.
Cheap tricks by communist liars.
Talk25 4 years ago
I'm not surprised that you just called yourself a communist and a liar.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
And I'm not surprised that you can't tell the difference between Taik25 and TaLk25, at least you won't admit it.
Talk25 4 years ago
OK, I'm a liar and a communist. There's no such thing as Taik25.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Excerpt from an open letter to Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabo, by Wang Zhaojun, a standing member of the Anhui Province Political Consultative Commission.
Freedom of belief is a globally recognized human right, and is protected by U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as well as by China's Constitution.
Talk25 4 years ago
After the 1989 pro-democracy movement, Deng Xiaoping's successor regarded all non-communist organizations as 'causes of instability', and was determined to 'nip them in the bud' so as to reinforce the dictatorship of the Communist Party. With such a prejudice he targeted Falun Gong practitioners, a group of law-abiding citizens, and by cracking down on them tried to scare others into absolute obedience.
Talk25 4 years ago
Falun Gong practitioners' efforts to 'reason and explain' were received as intolerable disrespect and offense, and they have been cruelly persecuted since then. This is not only a crackdown on Falun Gong; it is a suppression of the entire country.
Talk25 4 years ago
Besides, I have to laugh to the fact you accused me of "promoting" this video as "hate speech" to justify "murder". How hypocritical of you. LOL! You guys are not even truthful and tolerant too. Surely your group do share many characteristics with the Chinese Communist Party, something you people don't want to acknowledge.
awong20XX 4 years ago
And besides, David Ewing and Samuel Luo never really speak for the Chinese Communists. But rather he speak for the overseas Chinese like me.
awong20XX 4 years ago
This video is parroting communist propaganda used to vilify and persecute an innocent group. It is hate speech and should be removed from youtube.
stephenhuckle 4 years ago
Prove it.
awong20XX 4 years ago
it's transparent. please read about the persecution of this group on the internet. the media campaign run by the CCP to vilify practitioners is the same as that used in Nazi germany, and in Rwanda for the genocides committed there. History teaches many lessons. I have flagged this and will be following it up. It's awful to promote this hate speech to justify murder and genocide.
stephenhuckle 4 years ago
LOL, I heard this same shit many times by the same fake "Chinese" group called the Falun Gong.
Does each FLG member have a list of ridiculously retarded ad hominem attacks against their critics?
But seriously enough, please stop using the Jewish holocaust to market your idiotic group.
Tell you what: I'm a Canadian-born Chinese and a Buddhist, and I can say that you and your group are an insult to my Chinese culture and my religious beliefs.
awong20XX 4 years ago
If you are a Buddhist, why don't you exemplify Buddhist values of compassion? I am speaking out against the persecution of innocent people, while you appear to be supporting that. People are tortured to death in China for their peaceful belief in Falun Dafa. It is very wrong to support that, and it is not at all in line with Buddhist philosophy.
You are free to your beliefs and views. I am glad you are not persecuted for that.
stephenhuckle 4 years ago
LOL! Just prove it to me that I ACTUALLY support torture, you people say this to every non-CCP critics. But really, you guys are an insult to my religion and human intelligence.
Tell you what, I didn't actually see you as a peaceful group other than being peaceful by name.
awong20XX 4 years ago
China once went by the name "The Land of the Divine" (Shen Zhou), because the people of the time believed that Chinese culture was a gift from the heavens.
From imperial court protocols to fine arts, music, fashion, and even science, all aspects of the society were aligned with the divine order.
[This is what the CCP tried to destroy with the cultural revolution. They're still trying to stop any genuine Chinese culture.]
Talk25 4 years ago
Falun Gong isn't genuine Chinese culture either, but rather a shoddy byproduct from the Mao/Cultural Revolution era.
awong20XX 4 years ago
WASHINGTON—Yahoo Inc Chief Executive Jerry Yang took a verbal lashing from U.S. lawmakers on Tuesday over the company's role in helping identify a Chinese dissident who was later imprisoned by the government.
"While technologically and financially you are giants, morally you are pygmies," Rep. Tom Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Yang and another Yahoo executive at the three-hour hearing. [I doubt Pygmies are so corrupt. T25]
Talk25 4 years ago
An Australian court issued a default judgment Monday in a civil lawsuit filed by a torture survivor against China's Minster of Commerce Bo Xilai. Bo has been sued in over 10 countries for his role in the persecution of Falun Gong.
Pan Yu, a Falun Gong practitioner, sued Bo for torture during the minister's visit to Canberra for the APEC forum in September. Pan had been shocked with electric batons in a labor camp in Liaoning Province when Bo was governor.
Talk25 4 years ago
"Life there was like being in a den of monsters, but torture couldn't change us."
This is how Canadian artist and sculptor Kunlun Zhang describes his time in a Chinese labor camp in "Beyond the Red Wall: The Persecution of Falun Gong", a one-hour documentary airing on CBC Newsworld Nov. 6. (Editor's note: CBC is a national television network, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
Talk25 4 years ago
Too bad it's canceled.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
A CBC documentary about human rights abuses in China has been pulled from Canadian airwaves after the Chinese embassy put pressure on the nation's broadcaster.
"I'm pretty sure Stephen Harper is not happy about this," a government official said on condition of anonymity. "Last week, the prime minister stands up to Chinese threats and meets with the Dalai Lama. This week, the CBC kowtows to Chinese threats..."
Talk25 4 years ago
Peter Rowe, who wrote, directed, and produced Beyond the Red Wall: The Persecution of Falun Gong for CBC, said he received a surprise call Tuesday from CBC just hours before the program was to air.
Jeff Keay, CBC's head of media relations English communications, admitted a cultural representative in Ottawa's Chinese embassy had called CBC within the last week to complain about the film. Days later, the film was pulled.
Talk25 4 years ago
CBC said it still intends to broadcast Beyond the Red Wall, but so far has given no date.
Talk25 4 years ago
You should realize that CBC isn't a media company to broadcast propagandas promoted by The Epoch Times. Other than that, it's just only a politically motivated sloppy work done by Peter Rowe. CBC knew there some flaws in the film, which is why it was pulled on Wednesday.
BTW CBC said the film will be reviewed and edited before putting on air at a later date, but I think the film should be shown on NTDTV instead of CBC.
awong20XX 4 years ago
CBC is known for professional unbiased journalism, but Mr. Rowe is just the complete opposite.
Beijing isn't the only complainant of this film, but many North American Chinese are critical of this film too.
And Harper is unhappy? I wonder why. Considering this dinosaur is known for his hawkish attitude when it comes to foreign diplomacy.
awong20XX 4 years ago
I'm sure the CBC plans to comply with CCP directives before broadcasting the film in English.
Talk25 4 years ago
CBC is a broadcasting company funded by the government of Canada, so how can CBC be the loudspeaker for the Chinese Embassy and the Falun Gong?
Really, it seems like Falun Gong wanted CBC to be their propaganda media since they can't bring NTDTV to Canada. Just too compelled to destroy CBC's reputation as a most professional, unbiased news media company in the world.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Canadian filmmaker Peter Rowe isn't part of CBC BTW, but another shoddy opportunist along side David Kilgour. CBC reporter Patrick Brown wouldn't do what he did.
awong20XX 4 years ago
TORONTO—Canadian Broadcasting Corp. announced Friday it will air an edited film on the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners in China, after widespread criticism that the public broadcaster was bowing to pressure from the Chinese regime by pulling the film this week.
The film will air on CBC Newsworld's documentary program, The Lens, Nov. 20 at 10 p.m. Peter Rowe, the film's independent director and producer, says the last-minute changes being made will not dilute the film's message.
Talk25 4 years ago
In other news: "CBC officials learned that a Falun Gong publication had been publishing stories that touted the broadcaster as a supporter of the spritual movement."
LOL, just how shameless the Falun Gong (and Canadians Against Propaganda) can really get. Protesting that the CBC was acting on the Chinese Embassy's complaint while forcing their propaganda into the broadcasting company's throat, then lying that the CBC is their group's supporter. Totally shameless.
awong20XX 4 years ago
BTW, that whole incident never made it as headline news anyway.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Really? Do you have a source for your "other news"? What is the name of this "Falun Gong publication"? Or is it something you made up?
If it's true, they should be told not to do that. If it's not true, why would you say that? Right now, I don't believe you. Prove it, if you can.
Talk25 4 years ago
Umm... dude, it's on CBC dot ca. the article is called "Group protests CBC scuttling of Falun Gong doc", found in the Arts and Entertainment news, under the TV section. Still there, easy to find.
I wonder why you're freaking out all of a sudden?
Is it because I quoted from a... CBC news article?
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
What is the source for your "other news"?
If it's true, they should be told not to do that. If it's not true, why would you say that? Right now, I don't believe you.
Shameless is CCP claims that organ harvesting is not happening, but not allowing anyone in to investigate, and only spewing out hate in reply to the one investigation that was done. No solid evidence against it. If it's not true, why not prove it?
Talk25 4 years ago
Myth: "Shameless is CCP claims that organ harvesting is not happening, but not allowing anyone in to investigate"
Fact: An undercover US investigative team did it's findings and concluded the allegations are not credible.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Question: "and only spewing out hate in reply to the one investigation that was done."
Fact: A report by David Kilgour is not credible apparently, given his poor record as a politician and an earlier findings by the US state department.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Question: "No solid evidence against it. If it's not true, why not prove it?"
Answer: Again, allegations by the FLG against the Chinese government are proven not credible by the US state department. And also Mr. Kilgour isn't really helping the Falun Gong, but rather trying to gain something out of them.
awong20XX 4 years ago
The "US investigative team" you mention, as I recall, did not conclude that the allegations are not credible. The only US investigation I know of is the one that was invited to Sujiatun by CCP officials weeks after the allegations first appeared. The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible.
Talk25 4 years ago
You wrote: "The only US investigation I know of is the one that was invited to Sujiatun by CCP officials weeks after the allegations first appeared. The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible."
20 hours ago: "Shameless is CCP claims that organ harvesting is not happening, but not allowing anyone in to investigate"
awong20XX 4 years ago
Man, I really love how you flip-flop and contradict yourself to death. lol
"The team did not find evidence. That's not the same as finding the allegations not credible."
The team concluded there's no evidence, which mean there's no evidence to support your group's propaganda campaign. So therefore concluded the allegations are not credible.
awong20XX 4 years ago
People can read the report and determine for themselves if it's credible. Still waiting for a reply from the CCP that refutes anything in the report, other than a mistake of saying a certain city is in a certain county incorrectly. Why cannot the CCP provide proof? Why do they still refuse third party investigations?
Talk25 4 years ago
Question: "Why cannot the CCP provide proof?"
Obvious answer: If FLG can't prove the allegations, then why would the Chinese government provide proof for nothing?
awong20XX 4 years ago
Give it time. The truth will be known, and the guilty will be punished.
BTW: A guided tour by CCP officials at Sujiatun, two weeks after the allegations, can hardly be counted as an independent investigation. I would be very happy if you, or anyone, could prove that OH was not happening in China. Still waiting for irrefutable evidence, or at least cooperation by CCP for outside investigations.
Talk25 4 years ago
"A guided tour by CCP officials at Sujiatun, two weeks after the allegations"
You're wrong here. The press release by the US State Department (via USINFO) and the congressional report (Order Code RL33437) specifically did not say the tour was "guided"
In fact, the US embassy did two visits to the site: One was undercover and the other a permitted tour, but not "guided" tour.
So please get your facts straight.
awong20XX 4 years ago
"Give it time. The truth will be known, and the guilty will be punished."
What? More time to make another fabricated story straight out of The Epoch Times? Sure. Make the US government waste more time and manpower for NOTHING, and the truth on how much taxpayers' money you people wasted will be known.
awong20XX 4 years ago
"I would be very happy if you, or anyone, could prove that OH was not happening in China."
Or maybe I'll be at least be happy if you and your Falun Gong contribute something to save a forest.
hint, hint...
awong20XX 4 years ago
A tour is a tour. Permitted - guided. What's the difference? It's still not counted as an independent investigation.
Talk25 4 years ago
LOL, it took you a week to comprehend my comments.
"A tour is a tour."
Of course "tour" is a "tour".
"Permitted - guided. What's the difference?"
"Permitted" is when you're allowed to do certain actions, for example: You're permitted to take a tour of a jungle. "Guided" is when certain actions are provided with assistance, for example: The tour is a guided tour.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Seriously, are you telling me that you never graduated from high school?
awong20XX 4 years ago
"It's still not counted as an independent investigation"
Dude, tell me why the US investigation is not independent? (Other than telling me the second tour is a permitted tour and not an undercover one.)
awong20XX 4 years ago
The tour by the US Dept of State is not independent because the US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice.
The CCP does not issue permits to anyone who wants to investigate the crimes it commits against innocent Chinese citizens, including it's own citizens. Instead, they arrest and torture them. CCP rules by violence and intimidation.
Talk25 4 years ago
"The tour by the US Dept of State is not independent because the US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice."
LOL. Are you telling me that the Chinese government owned the US state dept? That must be the most ridiculous yet hilarious shit I've ever heard from an idiot like you.
awong20XX 4 years ago
"The US has strategic interest in maintaining diplomatic relations with the ruling party in China. Their relationship is too close to exclude prejudice."
Dude, eventhough the US and others maintained healthy economic ties with China, the diplomatic relations between China and the US is as strained as the US relations with Russia.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Talk25, the US can throw any kind of BS no matter how important the bond is. Ranging from low risk, to as serious as the organ-FLG accusation, to giving an award to the Dalai Lama, or worst. China may be pissed off for days or months, but that doesn't stop China and the US from having a stable relationship since the late 1970s. Because China knew a relationship with the US is very important, as the US knew a relationship with China is very important.
awong20XX 4 years ago
So really Talk25, your reasonings just tells me that you barely or didn't even read my comments, or you just simply chose to ignore it altogether base on your logic and conscience.
In other word: You're able to give me irrelevant response to my comments 75% of the time. Which is directly proportional to your lack of acceptance to the real world.
awong20XX 4 years ago
""Guided" is when certain actions are provided with assistance, for example: The tour is a guided tour."
My point exactly.
Talk25 4 years ago
"My point exactly."
Oh my god, I can believe you failed to comprehend what I wrote.
Ok, I'll give you a simplified explanation:
"Tour" is a "tour"
"Guidied tour" is a "guided tour".
awong20XX 4 years ago
Read this again:
""Permitted" is when you're allowed to do certain actions, for example: You're permitted to take a tour of a jungle. "Guided" is when certain actions are provided with assistance, for example: The tour is a guided tour."
I only explained two words: Permitted and Guided. I never explained the word "tour". Seriously, go back to high school and take English 12 again. lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
Whatever. A tour is not an investigation. It proves nothing, though CCP uses it like a huge political trophy.
CCP only permits people to look at what it wants them to see. If a Chinese citizen tells the truth, they arrest him on charges of revealing state secrets. How shameful of the CCP. How sad for wonderful Chinese people to be bullied by the cancer of society known as CCP.
Talk25 4 years ago
A tour can also be part of an investigation.
*shakes head at Talk25*
awong20XX 4 years ago
That's true. Too bad the CCP doesn't 'permit' the 'investigation' to continue until the truth can be shown. The reason it's only a 'guided' tour is because it's scope is limited to what the CCP 'permits'. A true independent investigation requires that the investigators be given free choice as to when and where to investigate. Not going to happen under the CCP.
Talk25 4 years ago
You wrote: "The reason it's only a 'guided' tour is because it's scope is limited to what the CCP 'permits'"
How about read this: "In these visits the officers were allowed to tour the ENTIRE facility and grounds and found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital"
Source: The US State department
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
But really the tour isn't "guided", and there's no "limit" on what the Chinese gov't permitted.
In the real world you can't change facts and informations presented here just to sound satisfying for yourself and your group other than criticizing it, but I know you and your group has the inability to criticize and to produce a valid argument. Not willing to listen and just plain ignorant just makes you a hard headed dick.
awong20XX 4 years ago
So what? It's still just a tour, not a genuine, independent investigation. There IS a limit by the CCP. They permitted a tour of a single facility, after having enough time to remove evidence. If there is "no limit", as you suggest, then they should let the investigators in.
Talk25 4 years ago
"It's still just a tour, not a genuine, independent investigation."
LOL! What a sad person you really are. Face it, the US (the unofficial world police) are the only people who got the balls to visit the facility undercover and without supervision.
awong20XX 4 years ago
I'm talking about their first trip, and you don't even want to talk about it. All you whine is the second trip in which you really haven't got the clue what you're talking about. Your argument are so weak as it appears you read off a paperless script.
LOL
awong20XX 4 years ago
"There IS a limit by the CCP. They permitted a tour of a single facility, after having enough time to remove evidence."
Haha, that's according to you and your automatic script generator your beloved Master Li programmed in your brain.
"If there is "no limit", as you suggest, then they should let the investigators in."
ROFL!!!
The US "world police" been there two times already. How much investigation is enough to satisfy your poor retarded mind's hunger?
Speaking of wasting tax dollars...
awong20XX 4 years ago
The Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG) recently publicized the voice recordings of its investigation of the Beijing Military Hospital, Jingzhou Court of Hebei Province, and Guangxi National Hospital. The recordings clearly show that the Chinese Communist Party is continuing its crimes of harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners.
Talk25 4 years ago
Starring...
TaIk25 4 years ago
OK, I admit. I want to be Chinese, but Chinese people won't let me. China hate me because I want to be Asian. I tried to become a Buddhist monk, but I got kicked out of school because I'm retarded. So I joined the Falun Gong, they are real Buddhist and 100% Chinese group.
Falun Dafa is good.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Take some English lessons, hacker.
Talk25 4 years ago
Falun Dafa Practitioner Mr. Zhang Qiwang lives in Zhangyanglou Village, Mendian Town, Qing County, Cangzhou City. On October 9, 2007, more than ten policemen from Cangzhou City Department, Qing County Department, and Chongxian Station arrested him, and detained him in Qing County Detention Center.
Cangzhou City Police Department: 86-317-2173500
Cangzhou City Police Department: 86-317-2170856
Talk25 4 years ago
At noontime on October 26, Richmond City Council members, community leaders, school teachers, and students rallied outside the Richmond City Council chambers. City Council member Ms. McQuinn issued a proclamation to the Human Rights Torch Relay and the Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG), proclaiming the week of October 21-28 as Human Rights Torch Awareness Week. The City of Norfolk also issued a proclamation for the Human Rights Torch Relay.
Talk25 4 years ago
I happen to been there accidentally, but it's not big of a rally. Then sometime ago last weekend I saw a small HRTR/CIPFG kiosk on Robson St (Downtown Vancouver), and nearby at the same place there was a Chinese Christian group handing out free bible. They had a very elaborate booth and the group are very polite, unlike the HRTR/CIPFG guys. So which group get all the attention? Obviously the Christian group stole the show.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
BTW, that chick who handed out that bible is hot. I would've took the bible and asked her for her phone number. Too bad I didn't take it because I'm Buddhist.
In other news today: while I was waiting for the bus, I saw a guy taking a piss on a Epoch Times news stand at the Metrotown busloop.
Priceless. Should bring my cam with me.
lol
awong20XX 4 years ago
YOU RACIST!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Wap.
awong20XX 4 years ago
What's a wap?
Talk25 4 years ago
Speak for yourself, hacker.
Talk25 4 years ago
Wap.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Hey Wong. What's with the name calling? You talking to me or the hacker?
Talk25 4 years ago
Wap.
awong20XX 4 years ago
Come on buddy. What's a wap? I really don't know. Seems like you're po'd or something. What's up?
Talk25 4 years ago
Does this have to do with me wanting to be Chinese?
TaIk25 4 years ago
As the 17th National Congress of the CCP concluded, the new Politburo Standing Committee candidates continued to engage in vicious internal party battles. The following day, developments in the case involving Zhou Zhengyi sparked a media uproar. Hong Kong news media reported that authorities dug up evidence which implicated Jiang Mianheng, former Chinese leader Jiang Zeming's son, in the crime scandal.
Talk25 4 years ago
I'm not making this up.
It's from the Epoch Times!!!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Easy to find online.
Talk25 4 years ago
CNN, BBC, CBC SUCKS!!!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Speak for yourself, hacker.
Talk25 4 years ago
Deng Yong'an, director of Wugang City Detnetion Center: 86-739-4251901
Liu Chaoyang, director of the Maping Township Police Station: 86-739-4380002, 86-13517426682 (Cell)
Maping Township Police Station: 86-739-4221003
Wugang City Police Department: 86-739-4255901
Maping Township government: 86-739-4380002
Talk25 4 years ago
While in the detention center, Ms. Liu Jinfeng was often beaten very badly by the director, Deng Yong'an, because she refused to renounce Falun Gong. On July 23, 2007, during one of the more severe beatings by Deng, Ms. Liu lost consciousness. After the beating, she was unable to move, could not walk to the restroom without support and needed help with her pants.
Ms. Liu lives in the 7th Division of Huoma Village in Maping Township, Wugang City, Hunan Province.
Talk25 4 years ago
Wang Zhaojun, standing member of the Anhui Province Political Consultative Commission, recently wrote an open letter to Chinese leaders Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao stating that Falun Gong is the most urgent issue for China.
Wang pointed out in the letter that the most urgent issue is to stop the persecution against Falun Gong and provide state compensation for the victims.
Talk25 4 years ago
On November 3, one week after Mr. Wang Zhaojun wrote an open letter to Chinese leaders Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao, Jurist and Board Chairman Zheng Cunzhu of Jiahe Food Co. Ltd. in Anhui Province also published an open letter to Hu and Wen. In the letter he requested immediate political reforms at the city and county levels and an end to the persecution of Falun Gong. He called for more people to stand up and speak out.
Talk25 4 years ago
Due to his refusal to renounce his faith and for his perseverance in cultivating in Falun Dafa, Cai Zidong was illegally sentenced to seven years of imprisonment by the Shiyan City Court in Hubei Province. On October 11, 2007, one day before the end of his illegal imprisonment, Mr. Cai was unlawfully and secretly transferred to a brainwashing center in Wuhan City and persecuted for an extended period of time.
Talk25 4 years ago
Why am I talking to myself?
People, please read my stories!!! They're 100% true.
Falun Dafa is good.
TaIk25 4 years ago
I'm flattered that you like my name so much you want to copy it.
Talk25 4 years ago
BTW, who am I talking to?
TaIk25 4 years ago
Lou Shuqing 86-539-4272585 (Home)
Zhai Xiaolin 86-539-4272830 (Home)
Song Shufu 86-539-2166628 (Home)
Hu Shoudong 86-539-4821569 (Home)
Peng Bo 86-539-5026362 (Home)
Zhang Wenjia 86-539-4818723 (Home)
Jiepai Police Station 86-539-4818969
Talk25 4 years ago
Yes, we do spam callings and spy on people too.
Falun dafa is great.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Hacker.
Talk25 4 years ago
Yes, I do hack CCP servers too. Along with Russia, Japan, Canada, USA, ....
TaIk25 4 years ago
I believe you.
Talk25 4 years ago
I like to believe in imaginary people, folks.
TaIk25 4 years ago
I like to hack.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Falun Dafa practitioners at Jiepai Town, Shandong Province have been subjected to illegal brainwashing; have had money and personal belongings extorted from them; and have been physically abused, beaten, and maligned numerous times by Communist officials. Those responsible for the persecution of practitioners in Jiepai Town are: Gong Pidong, Lou Shuqing, Zhai Xiaolin, Song Shufu, Hu Shoudong, Peng Bo, Gong Maoju, Zhang Debin, Zhang Wenjia, and Ma Lin.
Talk25 4 years ago
You don't need to 'shut up' as you say. But it would be nice if you'd remove the slander and lies.
Falun Dafa is good.
Talk25 4 years ago
Anyway, please don't listen to lies from CNN, ABC, Time Magazine, and other CCP-supported American medias. FOX NEWS is OK. Only Epoch Times, NTDTV, and Sound of Hope represent the truth, and those are very popular with Chinese people worldwide. You are Chinese right? So why slander us? Oh and please read the Zhuan Falun and you'll understand. OK?
Falun Dafa is good.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Darn hackers.
Talk25 4 years ago
Hacked again.
I have never accused CNN, ABC, or Time Magazine of telling lies. I don't watch Fox much. I've never said people will understand if they read Zhuan Falun.
Yes. Falun Dafa is good, but it's not for everyone.
Talk25 4 years ago
Oh my goodness! What am I saying?
I think I did accuse CNN, ABC, and Time Magazine for telling lies. I'm getting old.
And no, Falun Dafa is good for everyone.
Master Li is great!
TaIk25 4 years ago
Hi Wong. How's it going? Still slandering Falun Dafa I see.
Falun Dafa is good. Anyone can come and see for themselves. Falun Dafa is free, and people are free to come and go as they please. We have nothing to hide.
Talk25 4 years ago
Master Li is GREAT!!!
TaIk25 4 years ago
I did not write this. Must have been hacked.
Talk25 4 years ago
Oops, actually I did.
Silly me.
Falun Dafa is good.
TaIk25 4 years ago
Hey Taik25. Are you a communist party member?
Talk25 4 years ago