I respect their concern. I do. I dont think anyone can honestly say wind turbines add to the beauty of nature itself. It is understandable to think they are an eyesore when you would like to just see nature, rather than turbines, anymore than you would like to see powerlines etc. But we do have to make some concessions. We have to do something, and a wind turbine is a good option. Solar is as well. Our views of the world are going to change yes, but we'll adopt and find it beautiful.
Although they provide zero emission energy they are unefficient in the amount of space they take up and their over all power yield is low considering the number of units that must be placed in order to produce sufficient power. There are more efficient forms of "green" energy available. Also unless you live next to a project like this, then don't judge the people who do and are adamently against them.
If blades are 65-ft. long, then diameter is 130-ft., times 3.1416 = circumference = 408-ft circumference. At 1:59 to 2:03 of the vid blade turns 1RPM in 4 secs., computes to a tip-speed of only 68 MPH (far cry from the 200 MPH estimate stated). And about those "unsightly" power transmission lines, how do you think your power gets to you NOW? Smashing atoms is dangerous, and we're using up our fossil fuels within 100 years. The wind has been blowing for millions of years... you do the math.
Wind turbines provide 1% of the electricity that is demanded in the U.S. Even if we quintuple the # of turbines, that will still only be 5%. That is an amount that could be not needed simply through conservation. This is a crazy thing, to cover our beautiful landscapes with these monsters! Many of the comments here are from people who have never experienced living near a large wind "farm."
I just took a trip through the Tug Hill area and saw the wind farm depicted in this video. With the demand for electricity as high as it is, and the demand of the environmentalists that we develop green energy, I see nothing wrong with these generators being placed in a benign area where wind power can be used with no adverse affect. The comments by the reporters were uncalled for. We should be allowed to form our own opinions.
These people either work for oil companies or they don't want these in their back yard. That I can understand. But otherwise what's the problem ? They don't seem that noisy UNDERNEATH them. People stink.
You weren't too far off with your tip speed though, they run about 150mph.
There ARE some awful wind farms out there; put-up too close to residences in the days before proper siting and environmental requirements. Why dont you find some of those to complain about instead of this one?
Before you complain about power lines being put up, remember that they are only there to delvier power to consumers. If no one needed the power, there would be no need for wind farms or new power lines.
And since power IS needed, what other options would you prefer to wind?
This video, and the false information it conveys, are precisely what our fight for clean energy does not need.
The only time the 'turbine noise' you speak of could be heard was when you were 100' from the base of the tower... no residences are that close to a turbine, BY LAW! If the turbines are so loud, why did your camcorder not pick-up the sound? I hear more wind through the microphone than anything else.
hmmm. reminds me of the animal rights people. everyone needs a cause. the enviromentalists have a victory, and i gives someone else a cause, something to fight..... what a crazy world we live in!
Electrical storms are amazing around these things. Its a lot better than big housing developments and traffic. There is always a tradeoff. This keeps development down and thats a positive trade in my opinion. If 1 turbine keeps 100+ assholes from moving into my area from the city, Im ALL FOR TURBINES!!
Too many people are so quick to talk about all the power we need not how to save and use less! Why should we donate beautiful land so fat ameriKans can waste energy on TV's, AC and everylight they can buy???
I'd much rather have those in a little town like that rather than a NUCLEAR plant or a coal plant. Because if New York needs the power they were going to put something in that little town either way. Who knows what the side affects would have been from a nuclear plant!!! At least these aren't dangerous to your health! Also, its funny when the dog barking drowns out the sound of the hundred+ turbines (cause they are just that loud)...
Bud and Sue are douche bags. I would have no problem having the turbines next to my house; I think they are awesome. They should be put up all over the country.
I at least think they look cool... I always thought telephone polls were ugly as hell... and there's billions more of those than awesome-looking wind turbines. In other videos I've heard the whoosh sound from the pressure of blades against the turret, and it's much quieter than this video. I think that a large concentration of turbines would be noisy, but just a few here or there, not at all.
I vacation there and I have no problem with them, it's a bunch of whiny bitching. And the "It's all going to NYC" thing is bullshit, THEY GET PAID because the windmills are on their property.
There's a ski resort like 15 minutes away from my house that has a huge wind turbine (Jiminy Peak) And I never heard anyone complain. I like turbines, they look cool. Too bad they're bad for birds sometimes but that's all I don't like about them.
I really doubt all the electricity is going to NYC. Electricity is like water in a pipe network, it goes to where the least resistance is and the most demand is. This means most of it is likely going to power upstate NY, most likely Rochester which is the closest large city.
Is all you have to do is bitch and moan about stuff that doesn't concern you? I bet you drove your gas powered car, and used the a/c full power to keep you comfortable so that you can come up and cry about something that is actually doing some good. It doesn't disrurb the earth, doesn't polute, and yet you act like it's something terrible. I suggest you go home, get a life, and move on to something else. Perhaps complain about the price of gas that is killing the middle-class economy.
It is one thing to agree or disagree, it is another thing to actually do something except say "wind is good" it saves the planet. 80% of CO2 comes from sea water. So dynamite the tops of mountains and create all kinds of environmental problems that exceed nukes coal (we have a lot of coal) and ruin the most beautiful places in America so you can feel good that something is being done.
Now surely you recognize that fuel cell technology is not advanced enough for that to be a practical approach today. Hopefully some day in the not too distant future, but not now.
trust me I know, I did six months of research on fuell cells and to support that research I needed to research all the other forms of power inlcuding nuclear, oil, wind, solar, biofuels, etc...based on that reseach I do not agree with your views. Lets just leave it at that..got it? and I'm not the one complaining about profits, you are. good luck with your anti-wind campain.
Please - drive an electric powered vehicle, power your home with solar and wind, turn off american idol and do something... besides waste electric posting on youtube
They are so beautiful! I wish that I could live near those!!!! you should go check out a fuel refinery. or a coal mine. get a clue.oh and all I can "hear" in your video is your voice.
This video is such a WASTE of time. Sounds like a 13 year old whining about anything she can just to get some attention. What a loser. There are several wind farms near me and I love them not once have they ever been annoying or intrusive. I find myself agitated about the ones that aren't running when there is enough wind for the others to run... LOL I wish I could convince them to put a few up on my land. I'd gladly allow them too!
You're just trying to win a lawsuit because you think you can get some money from it. The "whine" is from your cheap ancient videocamera. I've stood in a field of wind turbines as far as the eye can see, on the ground at the base and they are barely audible. Do you think the natural wind in your ears is too loud, too? People like you are why environmental groups have had to try to fight so hard for 50 years to make stupid people realize they're destroying our planet.
How about a coal mine to dynamite away a mountain, would that make you happy? Or a nuclear power plant spewing toxins up to the sky? And "Alien"? Windmills have been around since the 1st century A.D. There were probably stupid people like you saying the Egyptian pyramids were ugly, too. Some people just constantly need something to complain about because they don't have a life.
we are a part of this environment and only have been for a very short time. We only have one planet. If you think that we can keep using and abusing our planet, you haven't done your homework. When we stop to think of this world in terms of conquest then can realize that we are just a tiny part in a vast world. You dont need to try to do everything green, but you need to think about what you use. NOTHING WE DO goes unnoticed by our planet.
The turbines, NOT WINDMILLS, will not provide ONE OUNCE of energy to Delaware county it goes into the NYC grid. Folks whom have signed leases signed a piece of tiolet paper. The agreements take all the responsibility off the energy company that will MAKE MILLIONS off the backs of the farmers.
anything that does smoke is good in my books, for at least the intent. some forget the production polution offsets some green technologies massively. but its chick or the egg.
offshore is fine by me, as long as they place em without killing reefs and our holiday beach lines, which are usually messed with tankers etc.
perhaps its the wrong long term direction but if companys and governments do not push these technologies we will never find that final solution(s) for our power and awesome lifestyles we live.
pursuing renewable clean power is better than the alternative. there will always be construction costs, there will always been some impacts. but id have to say that a bit of noise (thats nothing like an airport or highway) and production polution etc is a lot better than driving towards the distruction of the planet (in what aspect you take).
And I am among those who view wind turbines as graceful, and a sign of an advancing culture. The U.S. needs to adapt to a changing world because we may continue to be the elite military power in the world for some time to come, but economies are changing and we may not always be the big dog in that area.
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
Also if you do not want it because its ugly, annoying and lowers property value say so; do not create propaganda about its cleanliness and environmental impact. Those types of tactics are damaging to a very important emerging industry. Wind technology is unfairly demonized by a handful of anti-wind advocates who somehow muster enough influence to easily mislead the public. It can be much harder to overcome these false doubts than it is to instill them.
I can`t follow your reasoning about ` cleanliness and envoronmental impact` nor your assertions about a "very important emerging industry" it important because of What exactly ? Shareholders and venture capitalists ? please specify. Also 1000 tonnes of concrete to bolt a tower down is hardly "clean" and after 25 years what then.The concrete block is immovable like the pyramids of Egypt for all time.
It is important and in energy potential, There is an estimated 900,000 megawatts of energy in offshore wind alone, it provides a clean source of energy for future hydrogen production, wind powers the economy without causing pollution, generating hazardous wastes, or depleting natural resources—it has no "hidden costs." Finally, wind energy depends on a free fuel source—the wind—and so it is relatively immune to inflation.
As far as the concrete be real, one concrete is not dangerous to human health which is the most important thing, two it does not emit green house gases, two the pyramids of Egypt are not immovable from an engineering standpoint they are there because of their historical vale. We could disassemble them tomorrow and build a Wal-mart in their place if we wanted that just like we could remove 1000 tonnes of concrete.
It is nearly impossible to argue that wind energy is more detrimental to the environment than coal, nuclear, oil and gas. Once in place they are virtually benign, unaesthetic maybe by some peoples opinion but benign nonetheless.
Moving away from coal is something we should actively pursue, and once the technology is refined to store wind energy through hydrogen production I believe that off shore wind farming is where it will be at. I also agree that if someone does not want a turbine placed on their property that is their decision, this is America. But that decision should be based on sound research and evidence.
When the nuclear energy boom occurred the issue of waste disposal was not addressed and the position took on the issue was pretty much "we will let future generations solve it". Well here it is 50 years later and the best thing we have come up with is "lets bury it".
But regardless of how long it takes for it to run out one thing is definite and that is it will run out. We need to actively pursue energy supplied from renewable resources for future generations and not simply think about the immediate. Take nuclear energy for example.
At what cost is yet to be determined. But, the construction of new truly clean coal plants does not address the 1500 old plants that currently exist and the cost of retro fitting them or replacing them. Also, clean does not address limited. There may very well be 600 years worth of coal left.
Common ground, well I am a firm believer in technology and its ability to solve problems. I also agree that with the proper funding and and an undeniable need to produce cleaner more efficient coal burning techniques that it can be done.
It's easy for people who are not directly exposed to these types of emissions to sit and complain about shadows, noise and property values. I will take those over asthma and cancer any day.
Let me make something clear. About 10 years ago we had a 180 megawatt coal plant constructed in my home town. We have constant convoys of tractor drawn coal hoppers traversing our town daily. The types of chemicals that this plant emits into our air are terrifying. Ammonia, barium compounds, mercury, lead, etc. You can line our surrounding mountains with 120 wind turbines and take your coal plant back any day.
Clean-I have to say your town made a bad decision to allow the coal plant in. I agree, in this day and age that plant should be and can be burning clean and not holding your town's health hostage! Look at the GE ads all over TV-they can burn clean now. The effects ofyour coal plant are unacceptable, just like residents all over NYS say the effects of turbines are unacceptable as they are now-too many negatives
I think we can both agree that the corps and the GOV are forcing decisions down our throats that are NOT the right decisions-they harm the very people that pay for them through taxes. We as citizens still have not learned to protect ourselves and NOT allow GOV to make decisions for us. The focus and the money is funneled into areas that make a few insiders/lobbyists richer, no matter if the plant/technology is the right decision.
The entire energy industry holds us all hostage and gets rich off of all of our backs because bottom line is we need electricity and fuel. We need better cars, better electric-drawing equipment, better fuels and better tech. Not more plants and outdated turbines taking the last bit of clean land left.
I will simply say this, we need more energy. We either find a way to provide it with an emissions free chemical free method or we produce it with traditional dirty, disease causing methods of the past.
Yes! Wind Power for Cohocton is a group of selfish citizens who support lining their pockets with the UPC Wind Turbine Project blood money proposed for our community. We are dedicated to presenting the false truths and offering no dialogue in order to provide the worst information and no consideration for our citizens and our community.
SPAIN: following an intense gusty period for 1 minute at 5.40pm on Monday,20-4-2007 wind power generation rose to contribute 27 per cent of the country's total power requirement, Red Electrica said. At that moment wind power contributed 8,375 mega watts to the nation's power consumption of 31,033. So for 1 minute they were able to put on standby 27% of the countries fossil fuels thus making them the least efficient and most CO2 intensive emitters in Europe. Well done Spain !!!!!!!
Erstwhile energy minister Brian Wilson became well known for hisfrenetic promotion of large remote windfarms especially in Scotland's highlands and islands, with his much publicised proposals for a major transmission link to England under the Irish Sea.(see "Wilson in action in "whats wrong with wind energy")
Who find it strange that while the USA will not sign up to the KYOTO treaty on climate emission controls , bankers and busniess men alike are falling over themselves to create "wind farm" companies...is it something to do with the heavy subsidy such dubious and unverifiable methods attract?
Exactly onebush. These mongers are tripping over each other to get to the next "dumb farmer" first! All shouting "It is green, it is for the greater good. Sacrafice yourself for my salary and your counrtymen!" If people oppose, they are name-called, called selfish, called NIMBYs, called uneducated backwoods problem makers. Meanwhile, the host towns get NONE of the meaningless enery the beasts produce.
It is all about the subsidies, tax breaks, write offs. It's the next financial wave to ride for the few. But the wave devastates the rest. Friends become enemies, towns are divided, threats are made, and corrupt local gov.-Chohocton NY is the BEST example at the moment of how BAD this can be-is exposed for all to see. Now Spitzer, the ass-backward NYS gov. has jumped on the green bandwagon like all the paid-off puppets before him
You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. Unfortunately I live in Cohocton and have seen all of what you have mentioned first hand. Not pretty for what used to be a scenic little town. Now it's like living on Mars with people who used to be your friends and who are now getting rich off the backs of their neighbors.
and we now face the threat of eminent domain-NY, a homerule State, may be FORCED to live under these outdated beasts-all local laws would be thrown out.
onebush you really need to do your homework. even though we "have" not signed the KYOTO treaty at the federal level,(because of our current administration)many of the state governors ARE acting on their own to reach the goals set by the KYOTO. And that includes republican ones...maybe bankers and business men are falling over themselves because the wind industry has been growing faster than all other renewable energy fields and bankers like to make money??? just a thought
This land has been invaded by dutch monstrosities, state of the 16th century art, something out of science fiction indeed. Bud figures there may be hundreds of them, which crept up in the night without warning.
A local farmer with access to national power grid data has confirmed that none of the emf created by these turbines is reaching his house. The very energy is in fact headed straight for NEW YORK CITY. Help these people in their plight, give to the greenengineer07 fund. Your donation may save disapearing America. God Bless America.
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
A single 2 MW wind turbine operating at 25% load factor in the UK would receive an annual subsidy of over £235,000.($400,000) On this basis, Laughton Wind Farm UK will receive £1.9 million per year in subsidies.($ 4,000,000)
what a good idea, lets cover planet USA lunacy with 2,000,000 1MWh wind turbines then we can shut down all the coal fired stations in the states and run out of electricity for 273 days in every year.What a good idea !
The destructive impact that such construction would have, for example, on a wild mountain top, is obvious. Erosion, disruption of water flow, and destruction of wild habitat and plant life would continue with the presence of access roads, power lines, transformers, and the tower sites themselves.
How much concrete did it take to bolt the turbine to the ground. 1000 Tonnes or more ! and how much CO2 does it take to make and deliver 1000tonne of concrete? have a guess!
At least. Also many just fall over because they are not "bolted?" and the land beneath it gives way. Look at the skyscrapers of Manhattan - built on bedrock. They put a 1 foot high concrete pad on dirt to hold something bigger than the Statue of Liberty.
Completely misinformed authors and outright lies being spoken. Go film a coal fired plant or a nuclear generating plant and try to tell us how wonderful THEY are! Complete and utter misinformation. You must work for the nuclear or coal generating industry.
Whatever their contribution to the grid is or is not, industrial wind turbines should never be sited closer than 1.5 miles from residential properties. Closer than that, they're a health and safety hazard... and, when authorized by local government, in effect an abuse of eminent domain.
Their environmental, ecological, and economic damage vastly exceeds the value of useful electricity they generate. For example, not long ago, General Electric, manufacturer of wind turbines, admitted to the New York State Energy Research & Development Authority (NYSERDA) that its turbines' effective capacity factor is only 10% in New York State inland sites. That's 90% inefficiency! It's a dead-end technology, useful mainly to generate tax breaks for investment brokers and huge corporations.
Well in a coal plant you can always put more coal in to generate electric. With a wind turbine if the wind is not blowing then they do nothing. When the wind is over 25 miles an hour for safety reasons the need to be shut off with an automatic braking system which is required. So if it takes 17 miles an hour of wind to push those big blades, and then they have to be turned off at 25 they have are a very small generator of electric.
Bill O'Reilly is God. Bill O'Reilly is God. All hail Bill O'Reilly! On your knees and bow to the master! He is my personal saviour. Reject Jesus Christ and worship Bill O'Reilly (peace be upon him) or you'll all rot in liberal Heeeellllll!
The honest to god reason they back them is because they are really missile silos in disgise. Haven't you ever seen these things flip up on their ends and release a storm or fury that could take out every liberal on the face of the earth... frigin amazing in action. They get those liberals to back them and then, BAM!!! It's all over... suckers.
the real reason that Goldman Sachs and other big mecantile financiers are backing the giant windmills are good old-fashioned tax breaks. The US government permits a triple depreciation for tax purposes on wind turbines, and those with enough capital can invest in tax shelters that use these depreciations to remove the tax on profits for other ventures.
OMG are these folk for real?... i have been under thies exact windmills on R12 just out of lowville they are not that intrusive... it sure beats having coal plant in your back yard.
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
your dead-end technology happens to be the fastest growing sorce of renewable energy and promesses to grow by at least 40% every year world wide...but I'm sure you knew that.
Right you are. It's a fast growing industry NOT because it's productive, not because it produces electricity, but because it's an enormous tax shelter and gets more public subsidy, per KW hour produced, than any other source of energy. Got it?
No I don't get it, can you reference your sources so I can get it? I was talking about world wide, so drop your tax shelter argument. They do produce electricity, and what is not productive about converting natural resources into electricity? Please explain. Oh...and are you saying it's bad to give tax cuts to zero emmision power sources? I just want to make sure I get it...!
You sound as though you may be asking in good faith, in which case I apologize for being so strident. Yes, I'd be pleased to give you sources.
The best overall discussion, including links, that comes to mind is Dr. Nina Pierpont's reference library at *.ninapierpont*.*com/?s=wind&p=2* (delete the *)
After you browse it, please let me know what additional info or sources you'd like, okay?
Interesting, but it seems Ms. Pierpont is somewhat biased and all the articles are written by her. Not to sure what a physician really knows about wind energy. I prefer to get my info from the scientific community. Modern Marvels just had a segment on this wind farm. The farmers they interviewed loved them! They do get paid a % of the energy created. Clean power for 14,000 homes, the famer gets extra income and can still farm the land...sounds good to me!
It's hard to give you a link when they're not allowed here, but you need to go to that site, go to the section on wind energy, then click to the section called "Aritcles by other authors". Whether she's a physician or not, she's collected an excellent and authoritative refernce library for those interested in wind energy.
If that doesn't work for you, there's plenty more. Let me know.
I did go to that site and read several of her articles and others. It's just that I have read twice as many positive things on wind energy in scientific journals. The fact is that wind will offer cheap, clean, renewable energy for the future. If you do not like it, invest your time in promoting other clean sources of fuel, not knocking something like wind. I encourage you to go to the U.S. Department of Energy website and read up on the facts, before you post anymore wind bashing comments.
If you're serious about clean energy, you'll support nuclear. It's the only realistic alternative available, at least until fuel cells become practical.
nuclear waste sits around for hundreds of thousands of years and must be confined. Yucca mountain is "sold out" already because of all the radioactive waste. everything used to mine uranium is radioactive and remains that way for a long time, and it is clearly not the only realistic alternative if you read any of the science journals. the future will rely on a variety of sources not just one.
Why is wind energy so popular? Because it enables politicians to appear 'green' while padding the pockets of huge international corporations. See the article in Forbes Online:
BTW, you realize that oil companies make much more than any wind companies right? Why are you so opposed to people making money off of clean energy anyway. They make trillions now destroying our planet with coal and oil. All I care about is a clean planet...call me crazy!
If you are serious about caring for a clean green planet, then you'll support a realistic approach to clean energy... which today leads us to nuclear power generation, not a Rube Goldberg tax-avoidance scheme that destroys forests, habitats, watersheds and our natural heritage.
like I said...propose an alternate, don't just complain. As for mr Wald's article. store the energy as hydrogen when the wind does blow, use it in fuel cells to create electricity, problem solved.
This does look impressive, but just because it is 137 pages doesn't make it sound theory. They are comparing turbines to military weapons one minute and saying it sounds like the ocean the next.
What I am getting at here is wind turbines might be an annoyance to some, but most of our power sources now are deadly.
It is 137 pgs, I realize it takes a while to read. While the bios of the two are important, let's remember turbines are a new thing, not everyone has an expert history in them. I found the report contained ACTUAL experiences from around the world-old and new installations etc and relied on existing reports and research.
If this isn't good enough research for you, and the crap from the wind company isn't as it is skewed,where do you suggest we get real info? I found most of this to be facts from someone else gathered by the two. I have spent time in Tug Hill and Fenner and know that what is being said is true about noise, flicker, and breakdowns. I know that the cost and subsidies and incentives are fact.
The cost of wind power in dollars and cents is made up in a very small amount of time compared to the ongoing costs of coal and nuclear. The cost is multiplied when you factor in environmental impact.
The incentives are there because there is a problem with what we are using now. The incentives help to boost the technology to make energy clean and affordable. All power producers get these incentives, wind and solar just get a much smaller percentage.
Real info has to come from many different sources. You have to look at both sides plus whats in the middle to come up with the truth. Both sides lie to get what they want. Yes some rich guy is getting richer off of wind power, yes there is a flicker effect, yes it is a cleaner source of power, and yes it is able to produce mass amounts of power. If you look at wind compared to coal or nuclear it has far less detrimental qualitys.
horrible things...they should tear them out and put in 2 coal plants instead. production is way better. they should also put in a nuclear plant too. then you can send all your waste out west for us to hold onto.
if people are tired of energy development then mabye they should use less....
Instead of putting MORE humans on the planet to consume and expel MORE, why not adopt one of the 10s of 1000s of parentless children that are desperate for a Mom and Dad. That could be a start folks. Less consumption, less waste, less need for more energy and less need for technologies that do not solve the problem and make a few wealthy people wealthier.
Before you get too high on your horse, I have two adopted children, don't own a TV or a car, and keep my energy usage to a minimum. I build energy efficient houses for a living and practice what I preach. I want the energy I do use to be cleaner. Wind, water, biomass, and solar are much cleaner than other power sources.
I'm not on anybody's horse. I applaud you adopting. My comment is general, not personal. I believe that these aren't the solution as the tech. stands. I am alarmed at how the installations are achieved. I look for scientific and first-hand info.
P2. Aside from a leaseholder with a gag-order, I can't find anyone whose life has improved. Perhaps you are OK with benefiting from the suffering of others, I am not. We won't agree, I don't care about that, but I can't let your skewed argument with the other folks on this post prevail for the public to consume as "fact" when it is only your opinion based on your research. & no car/TV w/2 kids? Yeah OK?!
if you dont own a TV or a car - hard to believe then you must be on welfare - how do you get to the job site and run your generator all day to build the energy efficient home. Whats a energy efficient home anyway. Do you use wood? That the truck delivers? And is on idle while you unload it? Please you cant and dont make a single contribution.
Windwatch does have facts but they pick and choose what facts to display. An example: for 40% of one quarter year wind was a low producer. Example two: Wind is the highest subsidized power source... oh yeah per kilowatt hour.
What I fail to understand is why you think your facts are NOT skewed. Where are you getting your facts? If they are from the wind company or the gov. that went "all in" on wind, I can assure you they are skewed. Or, do you believe everything you read or see on TV? The only true information is garnered from an independant, 3rd party. Please remember that as you bash away and continue to put all your eggs in the wind basket. Consupmtion and overpopulation are the problem.
Try going to wikipedia and typing in wind turbine, but don't stop there. Scroll down to the bottom where all of the sources are and start going though them one by one. most of them have references for them so you should go to those too. For each source, find out who is funding them and what they have to gain by their research. This is called independent research.
and try not using the internet to scoop all yout false facts. I do inde a pen a dant research I am a scholar just ask me Ill tell you - I have a com pu tar and I use it to tell what I what to hear... grab a beer and watch matlock
And thanks for the tip on what independent resaerch, I guess all my education and experience forgot to teach me the definition of words!
Take the time to read this, and perhaps you will expand your knowledge base from Wikipedia:
kincardine.wordpress dot com /2007/03/04/frey-hadden-wind-turbines-and-health/ (I do this so it will go through, I think you know how to make it a link
here is a 100% undoubted fact Finland and Denmark are 2 industrialised counries with simalair populations. Denmark gets 25% of its energy from wind, Finland gets 0.1 %. Denmarks CO2 emmsions are 47 million tonnes per year and finlands are 62 million tons of CO2 a year, now that prooves something! (by the way that was my own research :D)
Here is a fact:3/8/07...A recent analysis of transaction data filed with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission for the period July--Sept., '06, shows that the large Maple Ridge wind facility in Lewis County produces electricity in a very erratic manner, and generally at levels far below promised output... Maple Ridge has a nameplate capacity of 240 MW, but for 40% of the third quarter of 2006, the wind farm produced a paltry 30 MW or less, or no more than 12.5% of nameplate capacity...
None of you on this thread makes sense. Pro-boys are falling for the propaganda, and anti-boy keeps falling for the bait. Fact is, the US installations are NOT producing, and are not being sited properly. Big Business gets rich, and the citizens on all sides are being fooled. People think this is green and will save the world, people are being forced out of their homes because of the turbines. Thw only winner is the Corporation.
Oh, never mind, I found the "facts" you were referring to on the windwatch website. Even this guy admits that at other times of the year maple ridge is a great producer of electrical power. Yes this guy has a great title "president of environmental compliance alliance" but it's just a phony name to make him look credible.
So back to my original point... stop getting "facts" from windwatch. Can you honestly tell me that they are not biased?
I think I might be having a little trouble reading this in it's shortened version. Are you saying that for 40% of one quarter of a year they produced 12.5%?
Sounds like windwatch is changing their tune. I got this off of a link from them:
"Until the anti-wind people are as concerned about mountain-top removal, natural gas pipelines that go up and over mountains, acid rain, code-red smog days and asthma," he says, "they just don't have a lot of credibility."
This comes from your one and only source so you should believe it. Your research is over, they have given up.
Did windwatch tell you that too? If you believe that one, I can understand why you are so ignorant about wind power.
Just do yourself a favor and try to stay away from bias sources when you are trying to learn about wind power. That means don't go to green peace and don't go to windwatch, they will both give you skewed facts (lies) that try to meet their goals. This will give your argument some kind of validity.
Those were the same false facts (also called lies) that you tried to use before. Remember, going to the windwatch website is not research. Denmark is building one of the largest off shore wind farms in the world right now and several dirt power sources have been shut down. You can't simply re-state lies and call them truth. Try again...please.
the only facts (not opinions) is that wind turbines save CO2 emmisons and global warming is 90% happening, now all you ignorant bastards by refusing wind farms to be built could be condemming future generations to death
I think anyone who refuses to back the wind scam will end up as time will tell - and it always does - that the people that stood against miss-placed wind turbines "farms" (cough scam) will be noted as heros for future generations.
Denmark (population 5.3 million) has over 6,000 turbines that produced electricity equal to 19% of what the country used in 2002. Yet no conventional power plant has been shut down. Because of the intermittency and variability of the wind, conventional power plants must be kept running at full capacity to meet the actual demand for electricity. Most cannot simply be turned on and off as the wind dies and rises.
The bovina town board are the ecological equivalent of the nazi party. They don't give a shit about the well being of others, they think their precious view is more important!
the only people who would get anything are a few energy brokers who have a scam LLC front for GE. It terms of ecology detroying a pristine mountain with rare wildlife and plant life - clear cutting 90 acres of trees so one wind turbine can produce maybe enough electric for 500 people - and that electricity does not go to our town - it goes to NYC to help keep it let 24 hrs a day. Its not all about the view its about the underlying scam thats is wind power.
All the false and misleading claims the wind industry makes for itself work to disguise the fact that it is only a nominal producer of electricity in the eastern US. Its primary purpose is to provide extraordinary tax and income sheltering opportunities for a few wealthy investors at the expense of average taxpayers and rate payers. On a per kilowatt hour basis, wind is the most heavily subsidized source of industrialized power in the nation.
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
yeah you are really leading the charge for wind power - and I forget you had an argument that you didnt cut and paste - or are you the leading authority on wind power and all that it does. I forget. No I remember you are joe blow I pay extra for electricty to subsidize the wind scam so I wi
I respect their concern. I do. I dont think anyone can honestly say wind turbines add to the beauty of nature itself. It is understandable to think they are an eyesore when you would like to just see nature, rather than turbines, anymore than you would like to see powerlines etc. But we do have to make some concessions. We have to do something, and a wind turbine is a good option. Solar is as well. Our views of the world are going to change yes, but we'll adopt and find it beautiful.
JCFXSI 1 year ago
Although they provide zero emission energy they are unefficient in the amount of space they take up and their over all power yield is low considering the number of units that must be placed in order to produce sufficient power. There are more efficient forms of "green" energy available. Also unless you live next to a project like this, then don't judge the people who do and are adamently against them.
13JBX 1 year ago
This things are COOL. This is the furture and if you dont accept this you are an ass........
totalwarrfance23 1 year ago
Those turbines are SO COOL.
Welcome to the future, baby!
Best you get used to it.
QuietReckoning 2 years ago
oh come on asshole get a life or go back to living like an amish person
rcthetrucker 2 years ago
may i be honest, and perfectly blunt?
you are a fucking idiot.
wind turbines are beautiful and do so much good for the world.
i can barely hear any whirring, in factthe whirring noise from the camera is louder.
Hellypop14 2 years ago
Oh boo, wind turbines are ruining your view.
Sounds better than global warming and the world dying out.
At least it makes some difference, god. Stop being so fucking selfish.
RedViolet383 2 years ago
Is this really that bad? The noise is quiet enough for the narrator to speak quietly and still be heard clearly.
And they don't look bad at all. Much prettier than a road or power plant.
darkouk 2 years ago
If blades are 65-ft. long, then diameter is 130-ft., times 3.1416 = circumference = 408-ft circumference. At 1:59 to 2:03 of the vid blade turns 1RPM in 4 secs., computes to a tip-speed of only 68 MPH (far cry from the 200 MPH estimate stated). And about those "unsightly" power transmission lines, how do you think your power gets to you NOW? Smashing atoms is dangerous, and we're using up our fossil fuels within 100 years. The wind has been blowing for millions of years... you do the math.
jtreference 2 years ago
BooHoo! they put a turbine in my back yard and ruined my precious view. Poor rich fucks.
oopsijustfarted 2 years ago
Wind turbines provide 1% of the electricity that is demanded in the U.S. Even if we quintuple the # of turbines, that will still only be 5%. That is an amount that could be not needed simply through conservation. This is a crazy thing, to cover our beautiful landscapes with these monsters! Many of the comments here are from people who have never experienced living near a large wind "farm."
strawberryseason 2 years ago 2
I just took a trip through the Tug Hill area and saw the wind farm depicted in this video. With the demand for electricity as high as it is, and the demand of the environmentalists that we develop green energy, I see nothing wrong with these generators being placed in a benign area where wind power can be used with no adverse affect. The comments by the reporters were uncalled for. We should be allowed to form our own opinions.
Hawkphil1 2 years ago
These people either work for oil companies or they don't want these in their back yard. That I can understand. But otherwise what's the problem ? They don't seem that noisy UNDERNEATH them. People stink.
SuburbanDon 2 years ago 2
I prefer the wind noise to your babbling
adkbert 2 years ago
You weren't too far off with your tip speed though, they run about 150mph.
There ARE some awful wind farms out there; put-up too close to residences in the days before proper siting and environmental requirements. Why dont you find some of those to complain about instead of this one?
72Chas 2 years ago
Before you complain about power lines being put up, remember that they are only there to delvier power to consumers. If no one needed the power, there would be no need for wind farms or new power lines.
And since power IS needed, what other options would you prefer to wind?
72Chas 2 years ago
This video, and the false information it conveys, are precisely what our fight for clean energy does not need.
The only time the 'turbine noise' you speak of could be heard was when you were 100' from the base of the tower... no residences are that close to a turbine, BY LAW! If the turbines are so loud, why did your camcorder not pick-up the sound? I hear more wind through the microphone than anything else.
72Chas 2 years ago
hmmm. reminds me of the animal rights people. everyone needs a cause. the enviromentalists have a victory, and i gives someone else a cause, something to fight..... what a crazy world we live in!
delhess 2 years ago
Electrical storms are amazing around these things. Its a lot better than big housing developments and traffic. There is always a tradeoff. This keeps development down and thats a positive trade in my opinion. If 1 turbine keeps 100+ assholes from moving into my area from the city, Im ALL FOR TURBINES!!
midnight9wanderer 3 years ago
Lets put a big ole cole power plant there. You guys would bitch about that too. Its a fact we have to have power and windmills are a start
bigred9256 3 years ago
big red die of cancer
tommiettrave 3 years ago
Too many people are so quick to talk about all the power we need not how to save and use less! Why should we donate beautiful land so fat ameriKans can waste energy on TV's, AC and everylight they can buy???
danieljmayers 3 years ago
I'd much rather have those in a little town like that rather than a NUCLEAR plant or a coal plant. Because if New York needs the power they were going to put something in that little town either way. Who knows what the side affects would have been from a nuclear plant!!! At least these aren't dangerous to your health! Also, its funny when the dog barking drowns out the sound of the hundred+ turbines (cause they are just that loud)...
Futurevanquishowner 3 years ago
200mph tip speed! BWHAAAA!!! What an ignorant statement. I can hardly hear you guys talking the sound is so loud.
What is so frightening about them? The pollution from all the snow mobiles that run on Tug Hill are what is frightening.
The sound of jets flying over drowned out the sound of the dog barking. I almost couldn't hear it.
Your video does not paint a very scary picture. better luck next time.
Eagles6Landing 3 years ago
I'd rather see that ridgeline stipmined for coal. Looks like a good place for a coal-fired power plant as well.
Buggy makers weren't too happy with internal combustion either, but their whining didn't stop the progression of technology.
MarvinEd 3 years ago
Hemp FTW!!!
downlowfunk 3 years ago
i live in lowville and umm they arent bad at all and ive spent the night at a friends right next to it and they arent bad
shimmydude1111 3 years ago
Bud and Sue are douche bags. I would have no problem having the turbines next to my house; I think they are awesome. They should be put up all over the country.
Sharpie817 4 years ago 2
I at least think they look cool... I always thought telephone polls were ugly as hell... and there's billions more of those than awesome-looking wind turbines. In other videos I've heard the whoosh sound from the pressure of blades against the turret, and it's much quieter than this video. I think that a large concentration of turbines would be noisy, but just a few here or there, not at all.
whoiga 4 years ago
I think Bud needs his head examined.
xtremerms 4 years ago 4
you know it
snoopdog68 3 years ago
I would merely ask the people who are criticizing this film if THEY live near some of these industrial wind turbines.
badboywolverine 4 years ago
I vacation there and I have no problem with them, it's a bunch of whiny bitching. And the "It's all going to NYC" thing is bullshit, THEY GET PAID because the windmills are on their property.
endthepainnow 4 years ago
There's a ski resort like 15 minutes away from my house that has a huge wind turbine (Jiminy Peak) And I never heard anyone complain. I like turbines, they look cool. Too bad they're bad for birds sometimes but that's all I don't like about them.
VoltageControlled 3 years ago
Yes 454 of them
snoopdog68 3 years ago
I really doubt all the electricity is going to NYC. Electricity is like water in a pipe network, it goes to where the least resistance is and the most demand is. This means most of it is likely going to power upstate NY, most likely Rochester which is the closest large city.
alanhowitzer 4 years ago
That thing is really cool. I wish I had one next to my house. Can we switch houses? You'd probably like mine better.
alanhowitzer 4 years ago
This is crap.
I've been there and there is no whiring noise from the turbines. You have a slight "whoosh" noise when a blade spins by but that's it.
Would you rather have a coal-fired power plant on the same location instead?
Everyone I've talked with on Tug Hill has accepted and appreciates the turbines.
TireuxdeRoche 4 years ago
Is all you have to do is bitch and moan about stuff that doesn't concern you? I bet you drove your gas powered car, and used the a/c full power to keep you comfortable so that you can come up and cry about something that is actually doing some good. It doesn't disrurb the earth, doesn't polute, and yet you act like it's something terrible. I suggest you go home, get a life, and move on to something else. Perhaps complain about the price of gas that is killing the middle-class economy.
jimbo6634 4 years ago 2
It is one thing to agree or disagree, it is another thing to actually do something except say "wind is good" it saves the planet. 80% of CO2 comes from sea water. So dynamite the tops of mountains and create all kinds of environmental problems that exceed nukes coal (we have a lot of coal) and ruin the most beautiful places in America so you can feel good that something is being done.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
Now surely you recognize that fuel cell technology is not advanced enough for that to be a practical approach today. Hopefully some day in the not too distant future, but not now.
petefrt 4 years ago
trust me I know, I did six months of research on fuell cells and to support that research I needed to research all the other forms of power inlcuding nuclear, oil, wind, solar, biofuels, etc...based on that reseach I do not agree with your views. Lets just leave it at that..got it? and I'm not the one complaining about profits, you are. good luck with your anti-wind campain.
Museeip 4 years ago
Please - drive an electric powered vehicle, power your home with solar and wind, turn off american idol and do something... besides waste electric posting on youtube
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
"..turn off american idol and do something... besides waste electric posting on youtube.." says the guy posting on youtube...lol!
Museeip 4 years ago 2
lol
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
They are so beautiful! I wish that I could live near those!!!! you should go check out a fuel refinery. or a coal mine. get a clue.oh and all I can "hear" in your video is your voice.
Museeip 4 years ago
This video is such a WASTE of time. Sounds like a 13 year old whining about anything she can just to get some attention. What a loser. There are several wind farms near me and I love them not once have they ever been annoying or intrusive. I find myself agitated about the ones that aren't running when there is enough wind for the others to run... LOL I wish I could convince them to put a few up on my land. I'd gladly allow them too!
boogyboo79 4 years ago
You're just trying to win a lawsuit because you think you can get some money from it. The "whine" is from your cheap ancient videocamera. I've stood in a field of wind turbines as far as the eye can see, on the ground at the base and they are barely audible. Do you think the natural wind in your ears is too loud, too? People like you are why environmental groups have had to try to fight so hard for 50 years to make stupid people realize they're destroying our planet.
ArtChick1982 4 years ago
How about a coal mine to dynamite away a mountain, would that make you happy? Or a nuclear power plant spewing toxins up to the sky? And "Alien"? Windmills have been around since the 1st century A.D. There were probably stupid people like you saying the Egyptian pyramids were ugly, too. Some people just constantly need something to complain about because they don't have a life.
ArtChick1982 4 years ago
we are a part of this environment and only have been for a very short time. We only have one planet. If you think that we can keep using and abusing our planet, you haven't done your homework. When we stop to think of this world in terms of conquest then can realize that we are just a tiny part in a vast world. You dont need to try to do everything green, but you need to think about what you use. NOTHING WE DO goes unnoticed by our planet.
doublea1126 4 years ago
I'D rather hear the whirr of clean renewable energy turbines, than the ramblings and complaints about them.
rogercrumrine 4 years ago
there is nothing clean or green with a 425ft Wind turbine.
WindTurbinesSuckAss 4 years ago
The turbines, NOT WINDMILLS, will not provide ONE OUNCE of energy to Delaware county it goes into the NYC grid. Folks whom have signed leases signed a piece of tiolet paper. The agreements take all the responsibility off the energy company that will MAKE MILLIONS off the backs of the farmers.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
anything that does smoke is good in my books, for at least the intent. some forget the production polution offsets some green technologies massively. but its chick or the egg.
offshore is fine by me, as long as they place em without killing reefs and our holiday beach lines, which are usually messed with tankers etc.
insane4k 4 years ago
perhaps its the wrong long term direction but if companys and governments do not push these technologies we will never find that final solution(s) for our power and awesome lifestyles we live.
insane4k 4 years ago
pursuing renewable clean power is better than the alternative. there will always be construction costs, there will always been some impacts. but id have to say that a bit of noise (thats nothing like an airport or highway) and production polution etc is a lot better than driving towards the distruction of the planet (in what aspect you take).
insane4k 4 years ago
And I am among those who view wind turbines as graceful, and a sign of an advancing culture. The U.S. needs to adapt to a changing world because we may continue to be the elite military power in the world for some time to come, but economies are changing and we may not always be the big dog in that area.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
Also if you do not want it because its ugly, annoying and lowers property value say so; do not create propaganda about its cleanliness and environmental impact. Those types of tactics are damaging to a very important emerging industry. Wind technology is unfairly demonized by a handful of anti-wind advocates who somehow muster enough influence to easily mislead the public. It can be much harder to overcome these false doubts than it is to instill them.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
I can`t follow your reasoning about ` cleanliness and envoronmental impact` nor your assertions about a "very important emerging industry" it important because of What exactly ? Shareholders and venture capitalists ? please specify. Also 1000 tonnes of concrete to bolt a tower down is hardly "clean" and after 25 years what then.The concrete block is immovable like the pyramids of Egypt for all time.
onebush333 4 years ago
It is important and in energy potential, There is an estimated 900,000 megawatts of energy in offshore wind alone, it provides a clean source of energy for future hydrogen production, wind powers the economy without causing pollution, generating hazardous wastes, or depleting natural resources—it has no "hidden costs." Finally, wind energy depends on a free fuel source—the wind—and so it is relatively immune to inflation.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
As far as the concrete be real, one concrete is not dangerous to human health which is the most important thing, two it does not emit green house gases, two the pyramids of Egypt are not immovable from an engineering standpoint they are there because of their historical vale. We could disassemble them tomorrow and build a Wal-mart in their place if we wanted that just like we could remove 1000 tonnes of concrete.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
It is nearly impossible to argue that wind energy is more detrimental to the environment than coal, nuclear, oil and gas. Once in place they are virtually benign, unaesthetic maybe by some peoples opinion but benign nonetheless.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Moving away from coal is something we should actively pursue, and once the technology is refined to store wind energy through hydrogen production I believe that off shore wind farming is where it will be at. I also agree that if someone does not want a turbine placed on their property that is their decision, this is America. But that decision should be based on sound research and evidence.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
When the nuclear energy boom occurred the issue of waste disposal was not addressed and the position took on the issue was pretty much "we will let future generations solve it". Well here it is 50 years later and the best thing we have come up with is "lets bury it".
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
But regardless of how long it takes for it to run out one thing is definite and that is it will run out. We need to actively pursue energy supplied from renewable resources for future generations and not simply think about the immediate. Take nuclear energy for example.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
At what cost is yet to be determined. But, the construction of new truly clean coal plants does not address the 1500 old plants that currently exist and the cost of retro fitting them or replacing them. Also, clean does not address limited. There may very well be 600 years worth of coal left.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Common ground, well I am a firm believer in technology and its ability to solve problems. I also agree that with the proper funding and and an undeniable need to produce cleaner more efficient coal burning techniques that it can be done.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
It's easy for people who are not directly exposed to these types of emissions to sit and complain about shadows, noise and property values. I will take those over asthma and cancer any day.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Let me make something clear. About 10 years ago we had a 180 megawatt coal plant constructed in my home town. We have constant convoys of tractor drawn coal hoppers traversing our town daily. The types of chemicals that this plant emits into our air are terrifying. Ammonia, barium compounds, mercury, lead, etc. You can line our surrounding mountains with 120 wind turbines and take your coal plant back any day.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Clean-I have to say your town made a bad decision to allow the coal plant in. I agree, in this day and age that plant should be and can be burning clean and not holding your town's health hostage! Look at the GE ads all over TV-they can burn clean now. The effects ofyour coal plant are unacceptable, just like residents all over NYS say the effects of turbines are unacceptable as they are now-too many negatives
S567KL 4 years ago
I think we can both agree that the corps and the GOV are forcing decisions down our throats that are NOT the right decisions-they harm the very people that pay for them through taxes. We as citizens still have not learned to protect ourselves and NOT allow GOV to make decisions for us. The focus and the money is funneled into areas that make a few insiders/lobbyists richer, no matter if the plant/technology is the right decision.
S567KL 4 years ago
The entire energy industry holds us all hostage and gets rich off of all of our backs because bottom line is we need electricity and fuel. We need better cars, better electric-drawing equipment, better fuels and better tech. Not more plants and outdated turbines taking the last bit of clean land left.
WOW-we may actually agree on this
Peace
S567KL 4 years ago
I will simply say this, we need more energy. We either find a way to provide it with an emissions free chemical free method or we produce it with traditional dirty, disease causing methods of the past.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Yes! Wind Power for Cohocton is a group of selfish citizens who support lining their pockets with the UPC Wind Turbine Project blood money proposed for our community. We are dedicated to presenting the false truths and offering no dialogue in order to provide the worst information and no consideration for our citizens and our community.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
You are 100% right.
soldiermom2001 3 years ago
SPAIN: following an intense gusty period for 1 minute at 5.40pm on Monday,20-4-2007 wind power generation rose to contribute 27 per cent of the country's total power requirement, Red Electrica said. At that moment wind power contributed 8,375 mega watts to the nation's power consumption of 31,033. So for 1 minute they were able to put on standby 27% of the countries fossil fuels thus making them the least efficient and most CO2 intensive emitters in Europe. Well done Spain !!!!!!!
onebush333 4 years ago
Erstwhile energy minister Brian Wilson became well known for hisfrenetic promotion of large remote windfarms especially in Scotland's highlands and islands, with his much publicised proposals for a major transmission link to England under the Irish Sea.(see "Wilson in action in "whats wrong with wind energy")
onebush333 4 years ago
Who find it strange that while the USA will not sign up to the KYOTO treaty on climate emission controls , bankers and busniess men alike are falling over themselves to create "wind farm" companies...is it something to do with the heavy subsidy such dubious and unverifiable methods attract?
onebush333 4 years ago
Exactly onebush. These mongers are tripping over each other to get to the next "dumb farmer" first! All shouting "It is green, it is for the greater good. Sacrafice yourself for my salary and your counrtymen!" If people oppose, they are name-called, called selfish, called NIMBYs, called uneducated backwoods problem makers. Meanwhile, the host towns get NONE of the meaningless enery the beasts produce.
S567KL 4 years ago
It is all about the subsidies, tax breaks, write offs. It's the next financial wave to ride for the few. But the wave devastates the rest. Friends become enemies, towns are divided, threats are made, and corrupt local gov.-Chohocton NY is the BEST example at the moment of how BAD this can be-is exposed for all to see. Now Spitzer, the ass-backward NYS gov. has jumped on the green bandwagon like all the paid-off puppets before him
S567KL 4 years ago
You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. Unfortunately I live in Cohocton and have seen all of what you have mentioned first hand. Not pretty for what used to be a scenic little town. Now it's like living on Mars with people who used to be your friends and who are now getting rich off the backs of their neighbors.
soldiermom2001 3 years ago
and we now face the threat of eminent domain-NY, a homerule State, may be FORCED to live under these outdated beasts-all local laws would be thrown out.
S567KL 4 years ago
onebush you really need to do your homework. even though we "have" not signed the KYOTO treaty at the federal level,(because of our current administration)many of the state governors ARE acting on their own to reach the goals set by the KYOTO. And that includes republican ones...maybe bankers and business men are falling over themselves because the wind industry has been growing faster than all other renewable energy fields and bankers like to make money??? just a thought
Museeip 4 years ago
This land has been invaded by dutch monstrosities, state of the 16th century art, something out of science fiction indeed. Bud figures there may be hundreds of them, which crept up in the night without warning.
GreenEngineer07 4 years ago
A local farmer with access to national power grid data has confirmed that none of the emf created by these turbines is reaching his house. The very energy is in fact headed straight for NEW YORK CITY. Help these people in their plight, give to the greenengineer07 fund. Your donation may save disapearing America. God Bless America.
GreenEngineer07 4 years ago
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
NoTurbinesForBovina 4 years ago
allianceforbovina dot org
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
NoTurbinesForBovina 4 years ago
A single 2 MW wind turbine operating at 25% load factor in the UK would receive an annual subsidy of over £235,000.($400,000) On this basis, Laughton Wind Farm UK will receive £1.9 million per year in subsidies.($ 4,000,000)
onebush333 4 years ago
what a good idea, lets cover planet USA lunacy with 2,000,000 1MWh wind turbines then we can shut down all the coal fired stations in the states and run out of electricity for 273 days in every year.What a good idea !
onebush333 4 years ago
The destructive impact that such construction would have, for example, on a wild mountain top, is obvious. Erosion, disruption of water flow, and destruction of wild habitat and plant life would continue with the presence of access roads, power lines, transformers, and the tower sites themselves.
NoTurbinesForBovina 4 years ago
How much concrete did it take to bolt the turbine to the ground. 1000 Tonnes or more ! and how much CO2 does it take to make and deliver 1000tonne of concrete? have a guess!
onebush333 4 years ago
At least. Also many just fall over because they are not "bolted?" and the land beneath it gives way. Look at the skyscrapers of Manhattan - built on bedrock. They put a 1 foot high concrete pad on dirt to hold something bigger than the Statue of Liberty.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
I work to stop the desecration of our rural areas from Wind development so a few Wall Street guys can pad their pockets from other peoples misery.
UniteAgainstWind 4 years ago
Completely misinformed authors and outright lies being spoken. Go film a coal fired plant or a nuclear generating plant and try to tell us how wonderful THEY are! Complete and utter misinformation. You must work for the nuclear or coal generating industry.
focusstone 4 years ago
UniteAgainstWind 4 years ago
A hundred wind farms will not shut down one single coal fired station.Why is that?
onebush333 4 years ago
Whatever their contribution to the grid is or is not, industrial wind turbines should never be sited closer than 1.5 miles from residential properties. Closer than that, they're a health and safety hazard... and, when authorized by local government, in effect an abuse of eminent domain.
petefrt 4 years ago
Their environmental, ecological, and economic damage vastly exceeds the value of useful electricity they generate. For example, not long ago, General Electric, manufacturer of wind turbines, admitted to the New York State Energy Research & Development Authority (NYSERDA) that its turbines' effective capacity factor is only 10% in New York State inland sites. That's 90% inefficiency! It's a dead-end technology, useful mainly to generate tax breaks for investment brokers and huge corporations.
petefrt 4 years ago
beats the shit out of coal plants and nuclear
sydfynch 4 years ago
Well in a coal plant you can always put more coal in to generate electric. With a wind turbine if the wind is not blowing then they do nothing. When the wind is over 25 miles an hour for safety reasons the need to be shut off with an automatic braking system which is required. So if it takes 17 miles an hour of wind to push those big blades, and then they have to be turned off at 25 they have are a very small generator of electric.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
No really, I saw it on Bill O'Reilly. The man is a god. If he says it, it must be true.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Bill O'Reilly is God. Bill O'Reilly is God. All hail Bill O'Reilly! On your knees and bow to the master! He is my personal saviour. Reject Jesus Christ and worship Bill O'Reilly (peace be upon him) or you'll all rot in liberal Heeeellllll!
bapyou 4 years ago
The honest to god reason they back them is because they are really missile silos in disgise. Haven't you ever seen these things flip up on their ends and release a storm or fury that could take out every liberal on the face of the earth... frigin amazing in action. They get those liberals to back them and then, BAM!!! It's all over... suckers.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
the real reason that Goldman Sachs and other big mecantile financiers are backing the giant windmills are good old-fashioned tax breaks. The US government permits a triple depreciation for tax purposes on wind turbines, and those with enough capital can invest in tax shelters that use these depreciations to remove the tax on profits for other ventures.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
Per cubic inch my hummer gets better gas mileage than a geo metro. Is a hummer so bad? Great reasoning.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
OMG are these folk for real?... i have been under thies exact windmills on R12 just out of lowville they are not that intrusive... it sure beats having coal plant in your back yard.
stupid hicks!
jaxmkii 4 years ago
250-300 miles on a full charge. After a 20 minute charge you get another 200.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
All the powuh goes to New Yahk. And they tawk funny.
zupf 4 years ago
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
Windmills are too inefficient to be a sustainable source of electricity in the East. They're a dead-end technology
used to produce huge tax breaks for big energy
companies. Without the tax breaks and public subsidies, they're money losers and always will be.
petefrt 4 years ago
your dead-end technology happens to be the fastest growing sorce of renewable energy and promesses to grow by at least 40% every year world wide...but I'm sure you knew that.
Museeip 4 years ago
Right you are. It's a fast growing industry NOT because it's productive, not because it produces electricity, but because it's an enormous tax shelter and gets more public subsidy, per KW hour produced, than any other source of energy. Got it?
petefrt 4 years ago
No I don't get it, can you reference your sources so I can get it? I was talking about world wide, so drop your tax shelter argument. They do produce electricity, and what is not productive about converting natural resources into electricity? Please explain. Oh...and are you saying it's bad to give tax cuts to zero emmision power sources? I just want to make sure I get it...!
Museeip 4 years ago
You sound as though you may be asking in good faith, in which case I apologize for being so strident. Yes, I'd be pleased to give you sources.
The best overall discussion, including links, that comes to mind is Dr. Nina Pierpont's reference library at *.ninapierpont*.*com/?s=wind&p=2* (delete the *)
After you browse it, please let me know what additional info or sources you'd like, okay?
Thanks for your interest.
petefrt 4 years ago
Interesting, but it seems Ms. Pierpont is somewhat biased and all the articles are written by her. Not to sure what a physician really knows about wind energy. I prefer to get my info from the scientific community. Modern Marvels just had a segment on this wind farm. The farmers they interviewed loved them! They do get paid a % of the energy created. Clean power for 14,000 homes, the famer gets extra income and can still farm the land...sounds good to me!
Museeip 4 years ago
It's hard to give you a link when they're not allowed here, but you need to go to that site, go to the section on wind energy, then click to the section called "Aritcles by other authors". Whether she's a physician or not, she's collected an excellent and authoritative refernce library for those interested in wind energy.
If that doesn't work for you, there's plenty more. Let me know.
petefrt 4 years ago
I did go to that site and read several of her articles and others. It's just that I have read twice as many positive things on wind energy in scientific journals. The fact is that wind will offer cheap, clean, renewable energy for the future. If you do not like it, invest your time in promoting other clean sources of fuel, not knocking something like wind. I encourage you to go to the U.S. Department of Energy website and read up on the facts, before you post anymore wind bashing comments.
Museeip 4 years ago
Why the wind turbine bandwagon? Read the Wall Street Journal, "If the Cap Fits
Why our CEOs are warming to Kyoto."
BY KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
Friday, January 26, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST
..............
If you're serious about clean energy, you'll support nuclear. It's the only realistic alternative available, at least until fuel cells become practical.
petefrt 4 years ago
nuclear waste sits around for hundreds of thousands of years and must be confined. Yucca mountain is "sold out" already because of all the radioactive waste. everything used to mine uranium is radioactive and remains that way for a long time, and it is clearly not the only realistic alternative if you read any of the science journals. the future will rely on a variety of sources not just one.
Museeip 4 years ago
Why is wind energy so popular? Because it enables politicians to appear 'green' while padding the pockets of huge international corporations. See the article in Forbes Online:
The Forbes 400
Wind Broker
Tatiana Serafin 10.09.06
petefrt 4 years ago
BTW, you realize that oil companies make much more than any wind companies right? Why are you so opposed to people making money off of clean energy anyway. They make trillions now destroying our planet with coal and oil. All I care about is a clean planet...call me crazy!
Museeip 4 years ago
If you are serious about caring for a clean green planet, then you'll support a realistic approach to clean energy... which today leads us to nuclear power generation, not a Rube Goldberg tax-avoidance scheme that destroys forests, habitats, watersheds and our natural heritage.
petefrt 4 years ago
You're worried about oil company profits? Good! Did you realize that two of the largest wind companies are subsidiaries of Shell Oil and BP Oil?
petefrt 4 years ago
Another source regarding the inefficiency and low value of wind turbine electricity is the New York Times, December 28, 2006:
The Energy Challenge,
It's Free, Plentiful and Fickle,
By MATTHEW L. WALD.
petefrt 4 years ago
like I said...propose an alternate, don't just complain. As for mr Wald's article. store the energy as hydrogen when the wind does blow, use it in fuel cells to create electricity, problem solved.
Museeip 4 years ago
You people are the reason everyone hates America.
uppitybunny 4 years ago
Posts like that are the reason America hates people like you.
petefrt 4 years ago
Umm. uppitybunny is an American. Click on his/her username and you'll see. And don't speak for all Americans.
bapyou 4 years ago
This does look impressive, but just because it is 137 pages doesn't make it sound theory. They are comparing turbines to military weapons one minute and saying it sounds like the ocean the next.
What I am getting at here is wind turbines might be an annoyance to some, but most of our power sources now are deadly.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Just a couple of things I noticed about this study right off.
First this is a retired medical librarian and a surveyor who wrote two different articles, then added a conclusion at the end.
By their own statements, much of their research relies on hypothetical and anecdotal evidence.
Part of their research consisted of handing out 1942 questioners to people who contacted them and only 405 were returned.
While Barbara Frey has published in her field, this is Peter Haddens first published work.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
It is 137 pgs, I realize it takes a while to read. While the bios of the two are important, let's remember turbines are a new thing, not everyone has an expert history in them. I found the report contained ACTUAL experiences from around the world-old and new installations etc and relied on existing reports and research.
S567KL 4 years ago
If this isn't good enough research for you, and the crap from the wind company isn't as it is skewed,where do you suggest we get real info? I found most of this to be facts from someone else gathered by the two. I have spent time in Tug Hill and Fenner and know that what is being said is true about noise, flicker, and breakdowns. I know that the cost and subsidies and incentives are fact.
S567KL 4 years ago
The cost of wind power in dollars and cents is made up in a very small amount of time compared to the ongoing costs of coal and nuclear. The cost is multiplied when you factor in environmental impact.
The incentives are there because there is a problem with what we are using now. The incentives help to boost the technology to make energy clean and affordable. All power producers get these incentives, wind and solar just get a much smaller percentage.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Real info has to come from many different sources. You have to look at both sides plus whats in the middle to come up with the truth. Both sides lie to get what they want. Yes some rich guy is getting richer off of wind power, yes there is a flicker effect, yes it is a cleaner source of power, and yes it is able to produce mass amounts of power. If you look at wind compared to coal or nuclear it has far less detrimental qualitys.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
What nosense, this video made like wind power even more
ylnonamuh 4 years ago
Spend time with your offspring - maybe they can help you fix the trailer
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
horrible things...they should tear them out and put in 2 coal plants instead. production is way better. they should also put in a nuclear plant too. then you can send all your waste out west for us to hold onto.
if people are tired of energy development then mabye they should use less....
mckquetzal 4 years ago
here here better than a wind turbine
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
Maybe if you got a few more user names you could boost the ratings of this video back into the positives again.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Instead of putting MORE humans on the planet to consume and expel MORE, why not adopt one of the 10s of 1000s of parentless children that are desperate for a Mom and Dad. That could be a start folks. Less consumption, less waste, less need for more energy and less need for technologies that do not solve the problem and make a few wealthy people wealthier.
S567KL 4 years ago
Before you get too high on your horse, I have two adopted children, don't own a TV or a car, and keep my energy usage to a minimum. I build energy efficient houses for a living and practice what I preach. I want the energy I do use to be cleaner. Wind, water, biomass, and solar are much cleaner than other power sources.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
I'm not on anybody's horse. I applaud you adopting. My comment is general, not personal. I believe that these aren't the solution as the tech. stands. I am alarmed at how the installations are achieved. I look for scientific and first-hand info.
S567KL 4 years ago
P2. Aside from a leaseholder with a gag-order, I can't find anyone whose life has improved. Perhaps you are OK with benefiting from the suffering of others, I am not. We won't agree, I don't care about that, but I can't let your skewed argument with the other folks on this post prevail for the public to consume as "fact" when it is only your opinion based on your research. & no car/TV w/2 kids? Yeah OK?!
S567KL 4 years ago
Yes, no car, no TV. We rent a car every now and then to take longer trips. The short ones we use bikes or walk.
I have not gotten a chance to look at the documents you mention yet. I will get back to you.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
if you dont own a TV or a car - hard to believe then you must be on welfare - how do you get to the job site and run your generator all day to build the energy efficient home. Whats a energy efficient home anyway. Do you use wood? That the truck delivers? And is on idle while you unload it? Please you cant and dont make a single contribution.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
Windwatch does have facts but they pick and choose what facts to display. An example: for 40% of one quarter year wind was a low producer. Example two: Wind is the highest subsidized power source... oh yeah per kilowatt hour.
Facts are facts, skewed facts and lies.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
what does even mean>?
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
Sorry, typo.
Should read "skewed facts ARE lies", won't happen again.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
What I fail to understand is why you think your facts are NOT skewed. Where are you getting your facts? If they are from the wind company or the gov. that went "all in" on wind, I can assure you they are skewed. Or, do you believe everything you read or see on TV? The only true information is garnered from an independant, 3rd party. Please remember that as you bash away and continue to put all your eggs in the wind basket. Consupmtion and overpopulation are the problem.
S567KL 4 years ago
Try going to wikipedia and typing in wind turbine, but don't stop there. Scroll down to the bottom where all of the sources are and start going though them one by one. most of them have references for them so you should go to those too. For each source, find out who is funding them and what they have to gain by their research. This is called independent research.
windwatch is not an independent source.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
and try not using the internet to scoop all yout false facts. I do inde a pen a dant research I am a scholar just ask me Ill tell you - I have a com pu tar and I use it to tell what I what to hear... grab a beer and watch matlock
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
So wikipedia is your source of all things holy?
And thanks for the tip on what independent resaerch, I guess all my education and experience forgot to teach me the definition of words!
Take the time to read this, and perhaps you will expand your knowledge base from Wikipedia:
kincardine.wordpress dot com /2007/03/04/frey-hadden-wind-turbines-and-health/ (I do this so it will go through, I think you know how to make it a link
S567KL 4 years ago
try AA - that might help
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
here is a 100% undoubted fact Finland and Denmark are 2 industrialised counries with simalair populations. Denmark gets 25% of its energy from wind, Finland gets 0.1 %. Denmarks CO2 emmsions are 47 million tonnes per year and finlands are 62 million tons of CO2 a year, now that prooves something! (by the way that was my own research :D)
joey3469 4 years ago
Here is a fact:3/8/07...A recent analysis of transaction data filed with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission for the period July--Sept., '06, shows that the large Maple Ridge wind facility in Lewis County produces electricity in a very erratic manner, and generally at levels far below promised output... Maple Ridge has a nameplate capacity of 240 MW, but for 40% of the third quarter of 2006, the wind farm produced a paltry 30 MW or less, or no more than 12.5% of nameplate capacity...
S567KL 4 years ago
None of you on this thread makes sense. Pro-boys are falling for the propaganda, and anti-boy keeps falling for the bait. Fact is, the US installations are NOT producing, and are not being sited properly. Big Business gets rich, and the citizens on all sides are being fooled. People think this is green and will save the world, people are being forced out of their homes because of the turbines. Thw only winner is the Corporation.
S567KL 4 years ago
Oh, never mind, I found the "facts" you were referring to on the windwatch website. Even this guy admits that at other times of the year maple ridge is a great producer of electrical power. Yes this guy has a great title "president of environmental compliance alliance" but it's just a phony name to make him look credible.
So back to my original point... stop getting "facts" from windwatch. Can you honestly tell me that they are not biased?
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Thank you for facts.
I think I might be having a little trouble reading this in it's shortened version. Are you saying that for 40% of one quarter of a year they produced 12.5%?
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Sounds like windwatch is changing their tune. I got this off of a link from them:
"Until the anti-wind people are as concerned about mountain-top removal, natural gas pipelines that go up and over mountains, acid rain, code-red smog days and asthma," he says, "they just don't have a lot of credibility."
This comes from your one and only source so you should believe it. Your research is over, they have given up.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Did windwatch tell you that too? If you believe that one, I can understand why you are so ignorant about wind power.
Just do yourself a favor and try to stay away from bias sources when you are trying to learn about wind power. That means don't go to green peace and don't go to windwatch, they will both give you skewed facts (lies) that try to meet their goals. This will give your argument some kind of validity.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
Those were the same false facts (also called lies) that you tried to use before. Remember, going to the windwatch website is not research. Denmark is building one of the largest off shore wind farms in the world right now and several dirt power sources have been shut down. You can't simply re-state lies and call them truth. Try again...please.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
the only facts (not opinions) is that wind turbines save CO2 emmisons and global warming is 90% happening, now all you ignorant bastards by refusing wind farms to be built could be condemming future generations to death
joey3469 4 years ago
I think anyone who refuses to back the wind scam will end up as time will tell - and it always does - that the people that stood against miss-placed wind turbines "farms" (cough scam) will be noted as heros for future generations.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
Denmark (population 5.3 million) has over 6,000 turbines that produced electricity equal to 19% of what the country used in 2002. Yet no conventional power plant has been shut down. Because of the intermittency and variability of the wind, conventional power plants must be kept running at full capacity to meet the actual demand for electricity. Most cannot simply be turned on and off as the wind dies and rises.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
if you say that sentence out loud you will expel more C02 than a wind turbine can replace
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
The bovina town board are the ecological equivalent of the nazi party. They don't give a shit about the well being of others, they think their precious view is more important!
joey3469 4 years ago
the only people who would get anything are a few energy brokers who have a scam LLC front for GE. It terms of ecology detroying a pristine mountain with rare wildlife and plant life - clear cutting 90 acres of trees so one wind turbine can produce maybe enough electric for 500 people - and that electricity does not go to our town - it goes to NYC to help keep it let 24 hrs a day. Its not all about the view its about the underlying scam thats is wind power.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
All the false and misleading claims the wind industry makes for itself work to disguise the fact that it is only a nominal producer of electricity in the eastern US. Its primary purpose is to provide extraordinary tax and income sheltering opportunities for a few wealthy investors at the expense of average taxpayers and rate payers. On a per kilowatt hour basis, wind is the most heavily subsidized source of industrialized power in the nation.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
RoxburyStamfordSells 4 years ago
It is getting deep. Keep up the good fight, It makes my argument stronger. Maybe some facts could help your cause.
agreenieguy 4 years ago
yeah you are really leading the charge for wind power - and I forget you had an argument that you didnt cut and paste - or are you the leading authority on wind power and all that it does. I forget. No I remember you are joe blow I pay extra for electricty to subsidize the wind scam so I wi