@MrGarrett1911 That is not entirely true. They served many functions depending on the time period,and political climate. Some Daimyo had ninja employed as spies and assassins some had then in command positions within their troop's ranks. Many were simply freedom fighters waging a guerilla war against oppressive local lords. Either way it was less of a "martial art" and more of an occupation or position.
@MrGarrett1911 U sound a lil angry young paddlewon! U dont have to be a historian to do research now take the cock meat sandwich out ur mounth and address me as Sir Maceio... Dick head
@MrGarrett1911 Paddlewon padawan big deal. U you its slang my cherrio Britsh buddy. Im a yank and dont care about that this is youtube not school. U= You fucking cunt bag lmao. I think u still want the cock meat w chesse to go.
and for the record, this is WAY off-topic from the original discussion. We were originally discussing Ninja, and then you start talking about how you think ancient Japanese warriors were inferior all-around. Unless you are in possession of a time machine, you cannot claim to know that for a fact. I'm only saying they weren't necessarily inferior, and I have yet to hear a good argument that they were. The fact that you would turn the discussion in this direction shows me you are a racist.
to be honest, I think that you are an extremely bigoted individual who is looking for any excuse to say that warriors from your culture are inherently better than those of another culture. I bet you watch "Deadliest Warrior" often because your logic is as flawed as theirs usually is. You point out that the Japanese have borrowed western ideas, and that's true, but westerners have a long history of borrowing from the east, too. Marco Polo, for instance? The world does not revolve around Europe.
and when the Japanese started using thicker steel plate, it wasn't because westerners introduced it. It was because guns had become much more common (westerners did introduce that) and they were adapting with thicker armor. They took ideas from western armor, but adapted them in their own way. Much the same thing happened in Europe. As firearm technology advanced, armor became thicker and thicker and eventually too heavy to be worth wearing, so they discarded it.
A single edge allows you to use your other hand for added leverage without having to risk cutting your hand or having to keep one part of your sword duller. I might also mention that the Katana works equally well as a one-handed or two-handed weapon (look at musashi if you don't believe me.) Also, a curve in a sword can be an advantage if you know how to use it properly to snake around someone's guard. Also, the Katana was specially suited for quickdraw attacks, which can also be a big edge.
I personally think that you don't know anything about swords except what you have read in books. I have practiced with both a Katana and a Broadsword made of high carbon steel (from the same swordsmith, actually!) and the Katana was significantly lighter. If I was like you, and I was looking for reasons to claim its superiority, I can think of a few that could be used: 1. Lighter 2. Better Balanced 3. More flexible 4. Single edged (means the whole blade can be keenly sharp without accident)
and if you think taking longer to construct is a serious disadvantage for a weapon, then you are clearly looking for disadvantages because this really doesn't matter. So what if it takes longer to make? and when you tell me that a short horse bow was more powerful than a longbow, I laugh. As for the swords you are simply biased. All the sword qualities you named are matters of personal preference.
Clearly you don't know much. Their very early armor was iron, but the "great armor" was lamellar steel. And you must be blind if you think its coverage was inferior. One thing mideival European and Mideival Japanese warriors had in common was the fact that they mostly fought each other. I give you concrete examples of them fighting with outside cultures and you still insist that they didn't fight enough outsiders. I found 6 examples in 15 minutes so I don't believe you.
though I admit, that you are technically right on the fact that sometimes Ninja and Samurai were the same people and can't be separated as easily as most people think.
It is an unfortunate fact that the demand for good Ninjutsu teachers far outstrips the supply. As a result, many who claim to teach the art don't even fully know it. Whenever you have an art with a big reputation which is somewhat rare, you can expect that this will happen. It has happened with Kung Fu in some cases, too. I have actually seen the McDojos you speak of, but most of the best practitioners aren't trying to publicize themselves.
ok, first of all...LOTS of people practice Japanese martial arts without actually learning more than a few words of the language. Don't act like it's such a big deal.
Secondly, if this guy were wearing a black hood and full ninja suit like you philistines expect, You would make fun of him even more.
You want Ninjutsu and everyone in it to conform to your expectations of a ninja? just who the hell are you people to say what constitutes a "real ninja"?
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc A Ninja is someone who practices Ninjutsu. Period. The only reason most practitioners of the art don't use that label is because society has an extremely fantasized view of Ninjas. No human could possibly live up to the ninja fantasy hollywood has built up, and actual Ninjas don't want any part of that load of crap anyway.
The word "Ninja" does not simply denote a stealthy fighter. It denotes an adherent of a particular martial art. Soldiers and Ninjas are not the same.
@12hiddendragons In terms of deployment and historical usage, Ninja were the predecessors to modern Special Operations units. Quite often, despite their advanced training, their role does not include direct contact but instead long range reconnaissance, sabotage and information gathering.
Modern Ninjutsu schools have lost their militaristic uses instead being normal martial arts for people to develop physical well-being, fitness and self-defence. Most of those schools are McDojo's.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc By that definition, you could say the same about any elite military unit through history. It is common to compare ninja to special forces soldiers, and in some ways the comparison fits, but they are NOT the same thing. Most ninja were not professional soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.
And if Ninjutsu has lost its militaristic uses, then tell me why I can see ninjutsu techniques in so many military hand-to-hand combat manuals?
@12hiddendragons Can I ask you why it was only a number of Taijutsu techniques that made their way into hand to hand combat manuals? Westernisation of Eastern Martial Arts takes what works and removes what is impractical, the military-based martial arts, such as Krav Maga, Sambo and Systema have taken what works from many different schools to form something useful for a guy carrying more weight than a knight or samurai ever did.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc well, you just answered your own question, but I must disagree with that answer. First of all, some of that "impractical" stuff is just stuff you don't understand and that's why you can't make it work. Second, military hand-to-hand curriculums are necessarily limited to the techniques which are easiest to learn and teach. Therefore (to answer your question) they have mixed a little from everywhere.
@12hiddendragons Mate, I did Taekwondo for three and a half years, I know all about impractical. As to militaristic hand to hand systems, they are not as simplistic as it first seems; the focus is less on patterns (kata, teul, whatever you wish to call it) and tradition though there are still a plethora of movements taught - especially in Sambo, which I have experience with.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc I meant no disrespect towards military hand-to-hand systems. I was just pointing out that they usually have much less time to train a person than the 8-10 years it takes to truly master any martial art. Their approach works good for what they want, obviously. I was giving that as a reason for why only certain Taijutsu techniques are found in military manuals. They take the techniques which suit them (and their methods) from many styles rather than one.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc and what "works" for you is not necessarily the same as what "works" for others. All martial artists find certain techniques suit them better than some others. That's why there are thousands of styles.
As for the weight factor, I wasn't aware we were discussing armor, samurai, or knights for that matter...but this is just one more difference between a soldier and a ninja. Ninjas carried as little weight as they could and seldom wore armor.
@12hiddendragons There are thousands of styles because there are thousands of different cultures and centuries; martial arts, specifically Asian martial arts, are based just as much if not more in tradition and culture than in any form of practicality.
Can you honestly say that "Ninja did this, Ninja did that" like every single Ninja in the history of Japan was a uniform figure? While Japan is not my speciality, I have read of concealable armour (chain and small plates) worn by Ninja.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc Even within the same culture, numerous martial arts often exist. Look at China or Japan. Both fairly uniform cultures, and yet hundreds of styles can be found in both! Culture is just the coloring and flavor of the art, not the content itself. And yes, there are certain things that can be safely assumed from historical evidence, like the fact that ninjas seldom wore armor (you are correct that they sometimes did.) and no group is ever truly uniform.
@12hiddendragons Chinese culture has many varying groups and a large number of outside influences, Japanese culture for a very long time did not which led to Japanese military inferiority when compared to other warrior types of the time (such as European Knights and the Arabic Mamluk). Japanese martial arts are not as unique and varied as their Chinese counterparts, though many of them can be traced back to China, which can trace them back to India.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc I'm not really sure how a Japanese fighter would necessarily be considered inferior next to a knight or a mamluk...since they never fought in reality, it would all be speculation. Also, how can you say that the japanese had few outside influences while also admitting that most of their martial arts have foreign influence of one kind or another? And when you leave out styles that died out centuries ago, Japanese martial arts are every bit as diverse as the chinese.
@12hiddendragons Inferiority due to inferior equipment and weapons (specifically armour, horses and bows) and due to the fact that they very rarely fought outside enemies who utilized different tactics. Martial Arts in Japan can trace their lineage back through China, as can many other Japanese things, I did not state that Japan was always closed off and by the time that it had the Japanese had already been under heavy Chinese influence.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc There is no logical reason to say that the feudal Japanese had inferior weapons and equipment. Anyone who knows anything about Mideival Japanese weapons and armor knows better. Their armor was made of iron or steel plates like everyone else's. They were as well-protected as any knight, and better armored than the average mamluk. The effectiveness and accuracy of the Japanese Yumi bow is WELL-established. And they had better swords than almost anyone.
@12hiddendragons I know about medieval weaponry worldwide; Japanese armour was made from iron though it was inferior in coverage and only slightly lighter than European armours starting with transitional armour and onwards to gothic and milanese plate. In the east, such as the Rus, Byzantium and the Middle East the lamellar, scale and mirror armour was very similar to the Japanese "great armour", but superior quality was more widespread due to the fact that Japan's shortage of resources.
@12hiddendragons The best Mumluk's, called Khassaki, were armed as well if not better than contemporary European Knights. The Japanese Yumi bow is inferior to the English Longbow due to taking far longer to construct and offering similar performance, it's advantage that it can be used on horseback due to it's unique shape doesn't stop it from being inferior to the far smaller and far more powerful Hungarian, Korean, Turkish and Mongol composite bows.
@12hiddendragons As to sword construction, the Japanese sword was pattern welded and this is not unique to the Japanese. In fact the Ancient Celts, Chinese, Norse, Persians, Indians and Arabs had already used it and discarded it before the Japanese use became widespread. The reason for it's abandonment is simply that it takes far longer to make and doesn't make a blade that performs superior to contemporary forging techniques.
@12hiddendragons Nihonto, specifically Katana, are NOT that much lighter than their European counterpart Longsword/Bastard Sword/Hand-and-a-Half Sword, the minute weight difference (under a pound for the "uniform" swords of this type) can be attributed to the difference in blade length - which can range between five and ten inches in the Longsword's favour.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc Blades in Japanese swords are single edged and wedged, while European blades were often double edged and oval shaped (though there are over twelve different European blade cross sections), often the European blades were at their thickest point thinner than the thickest point on a Japanese blade - if the two blades are the same length, the European design will be lighter.
@12hiddendragons In addition European swords have superior taper, better cross guards and more pronounced pommels which themselves can be used as weapons. Longer European swords often had different levels of sharpness, with the tip being very sharp, the middle being sharp and the part closest to the hilt being less sharp allowing for "half-swording", a very deadly technique
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc this later developed into the "ricasso" specifically noticeable on German Greatswords (also known as Bidenhänder or today as the less historically accurate Zweihänder).
@12hiddendragons Another note about pattern welding, the large reason for Japanese use of it was because it allows one to make a quality sword while mixing lower-quality ore; due to the Japanese lack of resources it worked great for them but cultures with more resources did not need to spend a month to make a sword of the same quality. The fact that European armour is superior can be seen in later Japanese styles - which are based off the Portugese armour they encountered.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc as for horses, I don't know what kind of horses any of these people used, and I don't think you do either.
As for the idea that they rarely fought outsiders, I would point out to you the wars they fought in Korea (1592-1598 and in the sixth century as well), Okinawa (1609 ) and the fact that they repelled invasions from the mongols (1274 and 1281). It only took 15 minutes to find these examples so I'm sure there are probably more.
@12hiddendragons Yes, they fought Korea, Okinawa, and the Chinese Mongols (which they defeated through luck, thankfully there was no land for the Mongols to gallop over), but this is three different people of similar arms and technology, medieval Western Europeans fought Eastern Europeans, Greeks, Turkic tribes, Mongols and Saracens for hundreds of years, not mentioning each other countless times. Japanese horses were medium sized, but barding, especially heavy barding, wasn't used.
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc to be more specific, it is known from historical texts that the usual Ninja method involved using stealth, disguise, misdirection, etc, to avoid direct combat if possible. For someone relying on stealthy movement, heavy samurai armor would be impractical, and also a dead giveaway since non-samurai weren't allowed to wear it. They wore lighter armor when forced to fight pitched battles. There are plenty of things that aren't known, but those things are.
@12hiddendragons Several records of Samurai also being Ninja means that technically "Ninja" would have worn the so-called "great armour", but either way, while on reconnaissance and infiltration wearing assault equipment is a pain in the ass, on this we can agree.
Its common knowledge in Japan that Ninjutsu was never a martial art and the whole bujinkan thing is fake. There have been similar things on japanese telly taking the piss out of hatsumi and his ayase dojo! its unfair to say the japanese hate people stealing their arts or any of that crap, its just that its ridiculous to them that people are running a jiu jitsu school pretending to be ninjas!
@Piatasify I know, but the video also shows that Japanese are nationalists and intolerant.
This is mcdojo right there, but I'm sure that there are actually legit ninjutsu schools in Europe, however, Japanese are generally opposed to foreigneirs practising "their" martial arts.
@DuskfallBand Actually this is not a mcdojo he studied with Hatsumi sensei for years, so I suggest you get your facets straight. Who cares what the Japanese think I've seen Japanese people breaking dancing, rapping, and with dreadlocks who cares
@maceioninjutsu the leader may be trained correctly, however all signs say that this is a mcdojo. good martial artists often estabilish mcdojos in order to make money ;]
lol at people making barriers between countrys and japanese people making fun of someone speaking their languange (they are the funnier speaking any other language), I should learn what I like to learn, I want to learn piano instead of Guiro or Maracas and i like classical music from germany and the wine of france, i'm not prodly mexican? I am!, I just like to taste another language (oh by the way, I learned english and it's not native in mexico, not even spanish is)
I take it you guys actually do martial arts dont you?wear a gi bow etc.or do you dress up in medeveal clothes or funny looking mma underpants of something.bullshido the site that makes everyone an expert
Apart from bad Japanese, what is the problem? I'd like to see the "reporter" order a hot dog and a beer at a baseball game. It's not ignoring one's own heritage, it's exploring.
Why the hiccup on "western dudes" doing "asian stuff"? Shall we all point and laugh at the fact that "asian dudes" have jeans and t-shirts, like rock and/or hiphop, dance foxtrot, tango and breakdance, drink (and make) whiskey, beer and vodka etc? I mean come on have you heard most asian rap/rock - it sounds ridiculous!! BUT even though I most of the time don't like it I respect the effort and I have even found some artists that are really amazing!!! Why should it be different with Martial Arts?
its easy to take clips and make anything look bad but bjk is real usefull in fights no 1 style is perfect put it in youre arsenal and its like any art it will add to you perticularly good for takedowns escapes and power counters also consider if you havnt studied a hard style a soft style or mix style of the two you wont understand it by watching youtube videos
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA this video is great. That´s why MMA and modern trainning methods rules, they both have transcended the cultural barriers and limitations. It´s not weird to see an asiatic or western dressed in camo/comando/mma short and it makes perfect sense.
@mrdubcrazy Well, paying 300 dollars for ju jitsu lessons, I rather pay 70euros(price of a 2 days seminar), and get a good teaching, I bet you never gone to a bujinkan dojo, and tried to follow a class and understand what's being done. You could make a video of any sensei teaching, and give him a bad look. Also, I doubt you got any "real" ju jitsu teacher, else he would of taught you respect for other budos. But I bet you are into BJJ.
@mrdubcrazy Bujinkan isn't a cult, and you prove yourself being silly if saying so, also, if as a first kyu traditional jujitsu practitioner, the best you can do is go on youtube, watch a video, and say "yeah this martial art sucks", then you failed at understanding martial arts, I have a lot of respect for jujitsu, traditional one, real one, but I have no respect for people like you, who obviously don't understand the philosophy that goes with Traditional MA.
@mrdubcrazySeriously?JAPANESE JujUtsu?lol 1st Kyu is like Kindergarden.If you do stick with martial arts for most of your life you're going to look back at your comments and think how foolish you were.I joined Bujinkan after 8 years of martial arts training, most were Koryu as some ppl call them.As far as cult goes,the Koryu MA are more of a cult from MY experience because ppl scrape left and right.Honestly,you need to realize that your jujutsu is alot like bujinkan,only we have flow and weapons
@mrdubcrazy You think you are the only ones who go through intense testing such as the one you've described?It is very much like my Shodan test when I was doing Shorinjiryu at 16.Like you,I thought I was"all mighty"only after 7dedicated years of MA training.Afterwards I met a few talented Bujinkan teachers that made me feel like I knew nothing,because I really did.This is when I learnt how to humble myself and set aside my ego.You don't know what you're betting up against.That can be dangerous.
@mrdubcrazy i call bs i am apractitioner of bujinkan from a real dojo that teaches usefull techniques there are basics all bjk students learn but all schools know totaly dif techniques infact theres to much to learn hatsumi admits he knows only a small portion of the science infact its not a style more of a system there are no set techniques all movenments are meant to mix to the quickest finish also in bjk theres a kyu and dan system but theres only white green and black belt no brown
this master have been taught by a japanese master so it's like laughing to themself.and as someone mentioned before they should be proud that some of there culture is all around the world.and french doesn't wear berets since a hundred years
I don't understand why those Japanese are laughing at Budokas wearing tabis and black gis but don't laugh at Westerners wearing gis in Judo, Karate, or Hakamas in Aikido or Kendo? That dojo in the video looks like Arnaud Cosuergue a high ranking well known Shihan in the Bujinkan. I think those Japanese commentators should be proud that people around the world practice an ancient art from their homeland. As for the Bujinkan being legitimate or not...well there's arguments from both sides on that.
@ninjamaster73 I'm sure it's just light-hearted poking fun and no harm is intended. It's often odd for Japanese to see westerners in gi and hakama also, but since ninpo is more obscure than karate or jujutsu, it's even stranger for a westerner to be in tabi. I doubt any ill intent was there.
@ninjamaster73 Because europeans are too careless and not thourough at all. We think everything we do is simple, only caring about results. Lack of discipline and respect.
@Zafoshin Europeans do NOT have a lack of discipline and respect, you are simply to ignorant to realize that this one group doesn't represent all of Europe. If you've ever heard of UFC, you would see that Westerners and Asians have the same level of talent in the martial arts.
@StevoeUSA I'm not generalizing, I'm specifying my general belief for this case. It would be naive of me to assume martial arts in europe are represented by this 1 group. Especially because I have no knowledge whatsoever about martial arts. I only believe this attitude to be the reason behind this specific group's failure. I do ,however see now how my post could lead you to this assumption. I always had some problems expressing my thoughts and for that, I apologize.
@ninjamaster73 Lol, his techniques are bullshit and won't work on any resisting person. The air throw they said? There is no force or leverage from the Arnuad, and the guy literally flips himself. THe rope techniques are extremely stupid as a real ninja would of course be walking around with a rope. The rope techniques he uses require way too much time anyways. Ninjitsu, as far as I can tell, has been a Bullshido Martial art forever.
what's really funny is that absolutely no one never wears beret, plays accordion or eats croissants in france. i was so disappointed when i went there and saw it didn't look like what i used to see in movies and tv series... when i asked one of them why they don't at least wears striped t shirts and berets, they beat me down to death, stole all my money and gang raped my girlfriend before they beat her and raped her again.
@zecle then they jazz on my face and mixed their jizz with my blood and drank it, then they puke it in my gf pussy, shaked it inside and removed it into a little glass they kept for their pastis (french alcohol) and they forced me to drink the mix.
after this awful experience, i learnt something, don't use stupid cliches when you talk with someone from another country...
Aside from some regimented Judo, Kendo, or Karate in high school, most Japanese are completely ignorant of any old martial arts.
Using celebrity judges and a canned TV audience as proof of anything is somewhat silly. I could show this audience a film of any koryu and most of them would be bored stiff and laughing just as much. I mean, have you ever watched a Yagyu Shingan Ryu demonstration?
I find it funny that so many people spend so much time worrying about how other people train.
@crazyninjaful Actually I saw a Japanese dude dressed up in traditional German clothes" There's this Japanese guy: Takeo Ischi (石井健雄). He is a yodler and a star on German TV. Even though he is really good yodeling, people are extremely amused by the fact that a Japanese guy's wearing German "Trachten". Same goes when a white guy is wearing asian clothing. It just looks weird and no one will take you seriously. Just like Germans don't take an American Oktoberfest seriously.
western countries don't really have martial arts as a heritage... maybe some fencing.... but i usually don't carry a sword with me (at least, when i get attacked, i never find any)
if we compare our heritage with the heritage from china, or even japan... we see how asia is cool, and how yodling is pitiful
@Lynwe Actually they do. Let's see, there's savate, shillelagh, bartitsu; Albrecht Dürer even made a book about German wrestlig entitled "Chronik alter Kampfkünste". Also there's boxing, if you count that. And there used to be stuff like pankration and so.
Anyway, I'm not saying you shouldn't learn about Asia (btw thanks for leavin out SEA and even Korea et al. ... =..=) But you shouldn't forget that you're not part of that group and act as if you were.
savate, wrestling? lol !! nothing to be proud of!! nothing as good looking and profound as the fighting arts coming from asia
i did not choose if i like chinese martial arts or not. i just like it, and i love to practice it. the chinese absolutely wanted to make wushu an art practiced in the whole world (masters are always talking about spreading wushu into the world, etc..)
so I do not let people tell me what i have to practice, and what not, just because i am not asian.
@Lynwe 那我不說你不可能學亞武林啊。你只看不理解我的話。我很抱歉。Once again, I'm not saying you shouldn't learn Asian fighting styles or learn about them. Knowledge in all it's forms is wonderful, and as they say 「學海無涯」. I'm just saying that the culture from which you come from is just as beautiful and respectable. You shouldn't neglet it. Further, looking at a foreign culture from a non-native perspective will always lead to misinterpretations (see video↑↑) Martial arts is also about respecting our own ancestors.
This video is funny. I think if westerners want to learn martial arts, they must understand that they are not asians. Don't forget or neglect your own heritage. That is very important.
@GaolisVideoLog We "gaijin" aren't "neglecting" our own heritage. Just in case you're too ignorant to understand, some of use who embrace the martial arts of another country do so because we appreciate it's values and what we can learn from it. If I'm not mistaken westerners and Asians have always been of equal talent in competitive martial arts. This is why I've never wanted to go to such an ignorant country as Japan.
@GaolisVideoLog purveyors of bujinkan must adhere to their traditions as a condition of legitimacy. as for forgetting or neglecting your own heritage tell that to the children of Germany circa 1944. i have lived in England for almost all my life i have french, Italian, German and Taiwanese ancestry tracing back to within the last 100 years but i have no cultural allegiance to any of them. no one should limit the amount of cultural incorporation based on where they live.
@GaolisVideoLog Finally someone tells the truth.A martial artist should respect the art and try to make it a part of him-herself.Everyone is the same and everyone is different.
@Ljenkins9000 this is not pseudo philosophical-it is greek philosophical that tells that everyone is different but at the same time we have the same rights-needs and as bruce lee used to say there is no one with 3 legs and 5 arms.
Has your mma instructor ever tell you anything apart from aaaaaaa-ough-bam?
And about sparring..we have a word for it..Ninjutsu sparring is called randori-we just don't fight in competitions(and in order to inform you competitions have nothing to do with reality)
"and in order to inform you competitions have nothing to do with reality"
Oh yeah, because fighting in a cage with no rules is absolutely nothing like fighting outside a cage with no rules. I guess the cage has some magical anti-reality powers. Moron.
"Has your mma instructor ever tell you anything apart from aaaaaaa-ough-bam?"
@0isl0 Yes my instructor only screams incoherently like a retard. That's obviously how we learn to fight at all ranges and to be a thousand times more technical than anything the TMA world has to offer. But yeah I'll see if I can get him to google some mostly meaningless asian "philosophical" quotes so he can act more smug and self-righteous like a "real" MA instructor.
@Ljenkins9000 You can fight in a cage with a referee in it (if you are practising only mma).I'm sorry to inform that the only philosophical phrase i used was from greece and greece is in europe....
you forget that MixedMartialArts are made by tma parts.and about effectivity-tma have been developed through war tactics and have proven their value through war.mma was created for competition.
"you forget that MixedMartialArts are made by tma parts"
No actually it is you who forgets this. You think that because there is MMA competition, it could not work outside that competition, without giving any reason for why it wouldn't work, which is absurd. MMA was actually invented as a way to test the effectiveness of TMAs.
Not true. Every MA has a BS story about how it was used in war. It's a creation myth. Nothing more. It doesn't even make any sense since people never fought unarmed in war.
I'll ignore common sense for a minute and go with your explanation: The US army (by far the most powerful army in history) now does MMA. By your logic, that would make me something like a modern Army Ranger and you something like one of those rednecks who do US Civil War reenactments.
@Ljenkins9000 they never fought unarmed in war but they fought closer than now and they had to fight each other unarmed when their weapons where lost(by the way manipulating a weapon is a good way to learn how to move in a fight).that's why greek's learned pancration,samurai's jujutsu,siam soldiers muai thai etc...if the ancient wars were made with modern ways we woudl be in another planet now
@0isl0 So the Greeks learned pankration for war.. yet it began as an Olympic sport.
So, would you go tell the ancient Greeks that what they were doing also had nothing to do with reality? After all, it was a sport first, a competition between two people with rules and a referee. If this were true, why did Herodotus and even the Persians comment on how effectively the Spartans used it in war? How different is ancient Pankration from modern MMA anyways?
apart from geography you don't know history...pankration began as a martial art(mythology refers that thiseas(who fought minotauros)or hercules(who did the 12 labours not Kevin Sorbo)invented pankration) and then it became an olympic sport at the 33d olympiad(and it is written that in olympic pankration biting,eye hiting and the use of nails was forbitten.those tactics were taught for army use.that's my final post because i don't give free lessons of history-geography-martial arts.go to scool
Yes I know quite a bit about the mythical founding of Pankration by Theseus and Heracles. I majored in history in college, Greco-Roman being my favorite era. I definitely don't need your lectures where you're not even adding anything new. However, you did completely avoid my argument again.
How different is Pankration from MMA?
Muay Thai was used in war and then became a sport, while Pankration was a sport that was used in war. What does this tell you about your sport vs. reality dichotomy?
@Ljenkins9000 cage fighting includes 2 persons practising for a month to face eachother in front of a referee (if there are no rules why is there a referee?).in reality you will have to face 2 or more fighters and there is no referee to stop them. if you go ground fighting you will probably not get up again.jujutsu masters say that you should go to the ground either dead or unconcious.mma is great but it has not all the answers...neither any other martial art.think and search more and talk less.
@0isl0 "cage fighting includes 2 persons practising for a month to face eachother in front of a referee (if there are no rules why is there a referee?)."
If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know that for years MMA matches had no rules. Even in the original UFC tournaments eye gouging, biting and groin striking were in fact technically legal. Nobody could stop the fight except the fighters themselves.
@Ljenkins9000 even if this is real(i doubt about it but i don't have the mood to search the r u l e book of ufc) the 2 fighters in the cage are fighting for the first place,not their life...
@0isl0 If you have never fought for your life, then you aren't doing something special that is beyond MMA. MMA fighters do, however, actually try to knock each other out and break each others bones. Do you at least do this much in your training? If not, what you are doing is much more "fake" and out of touch with reality than what an MMA fighter does.
@0isl0 "jujutsu masters say that you should go to the ground either dead or unconcious"
Good excuse for not training. This is kinda like saying "you don't want to get hit in the face like boxers do, so definitely don't learn how to box". Knowing grappling gives you the power to dictate whether the fight remains standing or goes to the ground, and 90% of real fights go to the ground whether anyone wanted it there or not. But yeah, don't learn grappling.
@Ljenkins9000 the meaning of my phrase is that ground should be avoided because it does not assure you that you will be the winner and once you go down you can't easily get up.
100% of real fights goes to the ground with the one unconcious!!!!ground fighting is a big chapter that should be practised(and it is practised in all -jutsu styles.don't forget that bjj comes from traditional jujutsu).But you don't have to forget that it's only a part of the whole thing.don't get fanatised!!!!!!
@Ljenkins9000 you're right.i had in mind that judo was a martial art then and not an olympic sport. tell me what else you don't like and let's name it crap!
@0isl0 Then we have Muay Thai apparently being used in war, lol. That kinda defeats your whole sport vs street dichotomy doesn't it? Oh and I do like Judo. A lot.
Matial art can be used to teach EVERYONE IN BECOMING A BETTER AND LOVING PERSON! That is the point to teach ALL WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS GOOD specially to those who ignore what is good as racist, bullies,etc. It depends on the teacher if he can reach the sutudent and YES he can reach eveyone also by video or even by email or phone. Thre are others wo study in local dojo and are misusing martial art for hurting others. It depends on the teacher.
every martial art style I consider in addtion as warfare or also selfdefense it depends who use it how use it and with which intention you use it. If you want to harm or kill someone you can do it wheter with your mind, body, or weapons and environment circumstances.
One think make the difference for me is when you teach someone a technique no matter from which (martial)art is also to teach to grow with the technique in mind and soul teaching moral values as love and respect patience and tolerance like chosonninja does always! In my opinion a true master of (martial)art teaches together with this moral values.
WOW! these guys just broke the bull-o-meter.... so sad that this kind of turdage network has gone international and stupid round eye ass-holes eat it up like it's the fucking golden manna of knowledge, I know some would say the gullible are like legs at a full contact traditional MA competition, insofar they should never be given an even break.... but c'mon! you just know some duped little nerdy kid is going to try and rely on this shit and get the kicking of their lives....
@scopeophile it doesn't look like much, very true. But go give it a try, you'll be surprised how elegant an art it is and how incredibly painful it can be. You wouldn't believe it but train for a month and see for yourself.
@scopeophile nah, I can only speak from my experience with the Bujinkan,and will always recommend it to people. I started in JKD, did some Muay thai, boxing, Tigercrane, BJJ and wound up in the Bujinkan. Of them all, it was the one that I liked the most, but I will admit the first couple of months I felt and looked ridiculous lol (postures are weird) but you get past that once the cool stuff begins
ninjas were not warriors fighters or martial artists if you check out your history they were assassins, in kill and out.
MrGarrett1911 2 months ago
@MrGarrett1911 That is not entirely true. They served many functions depending on the time period,and political climate. Some Daimyo had ninja employed as spies and assassins some had then in command positions within their troop's ranks. Many were simply freedom fighters waging a guerilla war against oppressive local lords. Either way it was less of a "martial art" and more of an occupation or position.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 1 month ago
@MrGarrett1911 Your inaccurate please research before you make a fool of your self again good day
maceioninjutsu 1 month ago
@maceioninjutsu you want me to research ninjas, after we all watched french ninja videos fuck off and give me a break do i look like a historian?
MrGarrett1911 1 month ago
@MrGarrett1911 U sound a lil angry young paddlewon! U dont have to be a historian to do research now take the cock meat sandwich out ur mounth and address me as Sir Maceio... Dick head
maceioninjutsu 1 month ago
@maceioninjutsu ok ok heres where you fucked up, 1) paddlewon = padawan 2) U = you 3)now = how 4)ur = your 5)mounth = mouth
Now how do you expect me to take you seriously you complete and utter idiot
MrGarrett1911 1 month ago
@MrGarrett1911 Paddlewon padawan big deal. U you its slang my cherrio Britsh buddy. Im a yank and dont care about that this is youtube not school. U= You fucking cunt bag lmao. I think u still want the cock meat w chesse to go.
maceioninjutsu 1 month ago
French ninjas = parkour
pambuena 2 months ago
Well, I can only say I was in a three day training event with Pedro (one of the 4 kings in the yellow shirts), and he's awesome.
bmntech 2 months ago
and for the record, this is WAY off-topic from the original discussion. We were originally discussing Ninja, and then you start talking about how you think ancient Japanese warriors were inferior all-around. Unless you are in possession of a time machine, you cannot claim to know that for a fact. I'm only saying they weren't necessarily inferior, and I have yet to hear a good argument that they were. The fact that you would turn the discussion in this direction shows me you are a racist.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
to be honest, I think that you are an extremely bigoted individual who is looking for any excuse to say that warriors from your culture are inherently better than those of another culture. I bet you watch "Deadliest Warrior" often because your logic is as flawed as theirs usually is. You point out that the Japanese have borrowed western ideas, and that's true, but westerners have a long history of borrowing from the east, too. Marco Polo, for instance? The world does not revolve around Europe.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
and when the Japanese started using thicker steel plate, it wasn't because westerners introduced it. It was because guns had become much more common (westerners did introduce that) and they were adapting with thicker armor. They took ideas from western armor, but adapted them in their own way. Much the same thing happened in Europe. As firearm technology advanced, armor became thicker and thicker and eventually too heavy to be worth wearing, so they discarded it.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
A single edge allows you to use your other hand for added leverage without having to risk cutting your hand or having to keep one part of your sword duller. I might also mention that the Katana works equally well as a one-handed or two-handed weapon (look at musashi if you don't believe me.) Also, a curve in a sword can be an advantage if you know how to use it properly to snake around someone's guard. Also, the Katana was specially suited for quickdraw attacks, which can also be a big edge.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
I personally think that you don't know anything about swords except what you have read in books. I have practiced with both a Katana and a Broadsword made of high carbon steel (from the same swordsmith, actually!) and the Katana was significantly lighter. If I was like you, and I was looking for reasons to claim its superiority, I can think of a few that could be used: 1. Lighter 2. Better Balanced 3. More flexible 4. Single edged (means the whole blade can be keenly sharp without accident)
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
and if you think taking longer to construct is a serious disadvantage for a weapon, then you are clearly looking for disadvantages because this really doesn't matter. So what if it takes longer to make? and when you tell me that a short horse bow was more powerful than a longbow, I laugh. As for the swords you are simply biased. All the sword qualities you named are matters of personal preference.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
Clearly you don't know much. Their very early armor was iron, but the "great armor" was lamellar steel. And you must be blind if you think its coverage was inferior. One thing mideival European and Mideival Japanese warriors had in common was the fact that they mostly fought each other. I give you concrete examples of them fighting with outside cultures and you still insist that they didn't fight enough outsiders. I found 6 examples in 15 minutes so I don't believe you.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
though I admit, that you are technically right on the fact that sometimes Ninja and Samurai were the same people and can't be separated as easily as most people think.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
ARNAUD???? LOL
razorsedge555 3 months ago
and as for the whole "McDojo" thing....
It is an unfortunate fact that the demand for good Ninjutsu teachers far outstrips the supply. As a result, many who claim to teach the art don't even fully know it. Whenever you have an art with a big reputation which is somewhat rare, you can expect that this will happen. It has happened with Kung Fu in some cases, too. I have actually seen the McDojos you speak of, but most of the best practitioners aren't trying to publicize themselves.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
ok, first of all...LOTS of people practice Japanese martial arts without actually learning more than a few words of the language. Don't act like it's such a big deal.
Secondly, if this guy were wearing a black hood and full ninja suit like you philistines expect, You would make fun of him even more.
You want Ninjutsu and everyone in it to conform to your expectations of a ninja? just who the hell are you people to say what constitutes a "real ninja"?
12hiddendragons 5 months ago
@12hiddendragons The closest thing to "real ninjas" are the elite Special Operations units of various military forces.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc A Ninja is someone who practices Ninjutsu. Period. The only reason most practitioners of the art don't use that label is because society has an extremely fantasized view of Ninjas. No human could possibly live up to the ninja fantasy hollywood has built up, and actual Ninjas don't want any part of that load of crap anyway.
The word "Ninja" does not simply denote a stealthy fighter. It denotes an adherent of a particular martial art. Soldiers and Ninjas are not the same.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons In terms of deployment and historical usage, Ninja were the predecessors to modern Special Operations units. Quite often, despite their advanced training, their role does not include direct contact but instead long range reconnaissance, sabotage and information gathering.
Modern Ninjutsu schools have lost their militaristic uses instead being normal martial arts for people to develop physical well-being, fitness and self-defence. Most of those schools are McDojo's.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc By that definition, you could say the same about any elite military unit through history. It is common to compare ninja to special forces soldiers, and in some ways the comparison fits, but they are NOT the same thing. Most ninja were not professional soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.
And if Ninjutsu has lost its militaristic uses, then tell me why I can see ninjutsu techniques in so many military hand-to-hand combat manuals?
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons Can I ask you why it was only a number of Taijutsu techniques that made their way into hand to hand combat manuals? Westernisation of Eastern Martial Arts takes what works and removes what is impractical, the military-based martial arts, such as Krav Maga, Sambo and Systema have taken what works from many different schools to form something useful for a guy carrying more weight than a knight or samurai ever did.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc well, you just answered your own question, but I must disagree with that answer. First of all, some of that "impractical" stuff is just stuff you don't understand and that's why you can't make it work. Second, military hand-to-hand curriculums are necessarily limited to the techniques which are easiest to learn and teach. Therefore (to answer your question) they have mixed a little from everywhere.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons Mate, I did Taekwondo for three and a half years, I know all about impractical. As to militaristic hand to hand systems, they are not as simplistic as it first seems; the focus is less on patterns (kata, teul, whatever you wish to call it) and tradition though there are still a plethora of movements taught - especially in Sambo, which I have experience with.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc I meant no disrespect towards military hand-to-hand systems. I was just pointing out that they usually have much less time to train a person than the 8-10 years it takes to truly master any martial art. Their approach works good for what they want, obviously. I was giving that as a reason for why only certain Taijutsu techniques are found in military manuals. They take the techniques which suit them (and their methods) from many styles rather than one.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc and what "works" for you is not necessarily the same as what "works" for others. All martial artists find certain techniques suit them better than some others. That's why there are thousands of styles.
As for the weight factor, I wasn't aware we were discussing armor, samurai, or knights for that matter...but this is just one more difference between a soldier and a ninja. Ninjas carried as little weight as they could and seldom wore armor.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons There are thousands of styles because there are thousands of different cultures and centuries; martial arts, specifically Asian martial arts, are based just as much if not more in tradition and culture than in any form of practicality.
Can you honestly say that "Ninja did this, Ninja did that" like every single Ninja in the history of Japan was a uniform figure? While Japan is not my speciality, I have read of concealable armour (chain and small plates) worn by Ninja.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc Even within the same culture, numerous martial arts often exist. Look at China or Japan. Both fairly uniform cultures, and yet hundreds of styles can be found in both! Culture is just the coloring and flavor of the art, not the content itself. And yes, there are certain things that can be safely assumed from historical evidence, like the fact that ninjas seldom wore armor (you are correct that they sometimes did.) and no group is ever truly uniform.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons Chinese culture has many varying groups and a large number of outside influences, Japanese culture for a very long time did not which led to Japanese military inferiority when compared to other warrior types of the time (such as European Knights and the Arabic Mamluk). Japanese martial arts are not as unique and varied as their Chinese counterparts, though many of them can be traced back to China, which can trace them back to India.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc I'm not really sure how a Japanese fighter would necessarily be considered inferior next to a knight or a mamluk...since they never fought in reality, it would all be speculation. Also, how can you say that the japanese had few outside influences while also admitting that most of their martial arts have foreign influence of one kind or another? And when you leave out styles that died out centuries ago, Japanese martial arts are every bit as diverse as the chinese.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons Inferiority due to inferior equipment and weapons (specifically armour, horses and bows) and due to the fact that they very rarely fought outside enemies who utilized different tactics. Martial Arts in Japan can trace their lineage back through China, as can many other Japanese things, I did not state that Japan was always closed off and by the time that it had the Japanese had already been under heavy Chinese influence.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc There is no logical reason to say that the feudal Japanese had inferior weapons and equipment. Anyone who knows anything about Mideival Japanese weapons and armor knows better. Their armor was made of iron or steel plates like everyone else's. They were as well-protected as any knight, and better armored than the average mamluk. The effectiveness and accuracy of the Japanese Yumi bow is WELL-established. And they had better swords than almost anyone.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons I know about medieval weaponry worldwide; Japanese armour was made from iron though it was inferior in coverage and only slightly lighter than European armours starting with transitional armour and onwards to gothic and milanese plate. In the east, such as the Rus, Byzantium and the Middle East the lamellar, scale and mirror armour was very similar to the Japanese "great armour", but superior quality was more widespread due to the fact that Japan's shortage of resources.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons The best Mumluk's, called Khassaki, were armed as well if not better than contemporary European Knights. The Japanese Yumi bow is inferior to the English Longbow due to taking far longer to construct and offering similar performance, it's advantage that it can be used on horseback due to it's unique shape doesn't stop it from being inferior to the far smaller and far more powerful Hungarian, Korean, Turkish and Mongol composite bows.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons As to sword construction, the Japanese sword was pattern welded and this is not unique to the Japanese. In fact the Ancient Celts, Chinese, Norse, Persians, Indians and Arabs had already used it and discarded it before the Japanese use became widespread. The reason for it's abandonment is simply that it takes far longer to make and doesn't make a blade that performs superior to contemporary forging techniques.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons Nihonto, specifically Katana, are NOT that much lighter than their European counterpart Longsword/Bastard Sword/Hand-and-a-Half Sword, the minute weight difference (under a pound for the "uniform" swords of this type) can be attributed to the difference in blade length - which can range between five and ten inches in the Longsword's favour.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc Blades in Japanese swords are single edged and wedged, while European blades were often double edged and oval shaped (though there are over twelve different European blade cross sections), often the European blades were at their thickest point thinner than the thickest point on a Japanese blade - if the two blades are the same length, the European design will be lighter.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons In addition European swords have superior taper, better cross guards and more pronounced pommels which themselves can be used as weapons. Longer European swords often had different levels of sharpness, with the tip being very sharp, the middle being sharp and the part closest to the hilt being less sharp allowing for "half-swording", a very deadly technique
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc this later developed into the "ricasso" specifically noticeable on German Greatswords (also known as Bidenhänder or today as the less historically accurate Zweihänder).
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons Another note about pattern welding, the large reason for Japanese use of it was because it allows one to make a quality sword while mixing lower-quality ore; due to the Japanese lack of resources it worked great for them but cultures with more resources did not need to spend a month to make a sword of the same quality. The fact that European armour is superior can be seen in later Japanese styles - which are based off the Portugese armour they encountered.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc as for horses, I don't know what kind of horses any of these people used, and I don't think you do either.
As for the idea that they rarely fought outsiders, I would point out to you the wars they fought in Korea (1592-1598 and in the sixth century as well), Okinawa (1609 ) and the fact that they repelled invasions from the mongols (1274 and 1281). It only took 15 minutes to find these examples so I'm sure there are probably more.
12hiddendragons 2 months ago
@12hiddendragons Yes, they fought Korea, Okinawa, and the Chinese Mongols (which they defeated through luck, thankfully there was no land for the Mongols to gallop over), but this is three different people of similar arms and technology, medieval Western Europeans fought Eastern Europeans, Greeks, Turkic tribes, Mongols and Saracens for hundreds of years, not mentioning each other countless times. Japanese horses were medium sized, but barding, especially heavy barding, wasn't used.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 2 months ago
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc to be more specific, it is known from historical texts that the usual Ninja method involved using stealth, disguise, misdirection, etc, to avoid direct combat if possible. For someone relying on stealthy movement, heavy samurai armor would be impractical, and also a dead giveaway since non-samurai weren't allowed to wear it. They wore lighter armor when forced to fight pitched battles. There are plenty of things that aren't known, but those things are.
12hiddendragons 3 months ago
@12hiddendragons Several records of Samurai also being Ninja means that technically "Ninja" would have worn the so-called "great armour", but either way, while on reconnaissance and infiltration wearing assault equipment is a pain in the ass, on this we can agree.
Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 months ago
mc dojo
Danieldx22 5 months ago
Its common knowledge in Japan that Ninjutsu was never a martial art and the whole bujinkan thing is fake. There have been similar things on japanese telly taking the piss out of hatsumi and his ayase dojo! its unfair to say the japanese hate people stealing their arts or any of that crap, its just that its ridiculous to them that people are running a jiu jitsu school pretending to be ninjas!
loxley75 5 months ago
@loxley75 that is why thailan hates camboya
Danieldx22 5 months ago
@Calimantalkin Consider to be superior? I hope you're kidding. BTW when will you wake up from brainwashing by Chosunninja?
Daviysoh 5 months ago
The Japanese laugh because they openly consider themselves to be superior to the world, self delusion does not create reality however.
Calimantalkin 6 months ago
equis de.
10100110002 6 months ago
stupid japanese
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
@DuskfallBand I'm European myself, but it wasn't the Japanese looking stupid here, sorry.
Piatasify 7 months ago
@Piatasify I know, but the video also shows that Japanese are nationalists and intolerant.
This is mcdojo right there, but I'm sure that there are actually legit ninjutsu schools in Europe, however, Japanese are generally opposed to foreigneirs practising "their" martial arts.
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
@DuskfallBand Actually this is not a mcdojo he studied with Hatsumi sensei for years, so I suggest you get your facets straight. Who cares what the Japanese think I've seen Japanese people breaking dancing, rapping, and with dreadlocks who cares
maceioninjutsu 7 months ago
@maceioninjutsu the leader may be trained correctly, however all signs say that this is a mcdojo. good martial artists often estabilish mcdojos in order to make money ;]
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
ohhho!!!! The Best bullshit, that I ever saw before!!!!
KievAMF 7 months ago
japandefenseforces:忍者としてって言っても失礼ですが私にとってこの人達は絶対に忍者ではないです。番組の出演者の態度を見ると誰も信じてないと思う。現在の日本で本当の忍術は存在するかどうか分からないけどとりあえずこの動画は面白かった。
expresionesdelarte 8 months ago
@expresionesdelarte 流派は昔程多くは無いが、正位継承者の一人として認められている事は間違いないようだね。過去の忍術の中に、武具武器利用を専門とする流派もあるし、現在の合気道や柔道を専門とする流派もある。歴史の浅い流派は自己流の物も多いけど、仁科大助（戸隠大助）が始祖と言われた戸隠流は現在も継承されており、免状があるという事は、”忍者”といって間違いはないでしょう。
hideyukiax 8 months ago
lol naruto music
KTP200 9 months ago
La seule force de cet homme est sa force de vente...
MrMathieu993 10 months ago
the translation is missing that this guy did judo for 15 years achieving 5th degree black belt.
the techniques look good still. reminds me of ju jutsu a lot
kenseisato1989 10 months ago
@kenseisato1989 we have jujutsu in our ryu ha
maceioninjutsu 7 months ago
@maceioninjutsu
what else do you have in your system?
kenseisato1989 7 months ago
lol at people making barriers between countrys and japanese people making fun of someone speaking their languange (they are the funnier speaking any other language), I should learn what I like to learn, I want to learn piano instead of Guiro or Maracas and i like classical music from germany and the wine of france, i'm not prodly mexican? I am!, I just like to taste another language (oh by the way, I learned english and it's not native in mexico, not even spanish is)
oberkin 11 months ago
I take it you guys actually do martial arts dont you?wear a gi bow etc.or do you dress up in medeveal clothes or funny looking mma underpants of something.bullshido the site that makes everyone an expert
MultiJimbo1970 1 year ago
本名や自宅、家族まで晒すとは忍者として致命的なのでは？
JapanDefenseForces 1 year ago
Apart from bad Japanese, what is the problem? I'd like to see the "reporter" order a hot dog and a beer at a baseball game. It's not ignoring one's own heritage, it's exploring.
kellybarrs 1 year ago
エーーー！ ：ｐ
daedra83 1 year ago
Why the hiccup on "western dudes" doing "asian stuff"? Shall we all point and laugh at the fact that "asian dudes" have jeans and t-shirts, like rock and/or hiphop, dance foxtrot, tango and breakdance, drink (and make) whiskey, beer and vodka etc? I mean come on have you heard most asian rap/rock - it sounds ridiculous!! BUT even though I most of the time don't like it I respect the effort and I have even found some artists that are really amazing!!! Why should it be different with Martial Arts?
sirseigan 1 year ago
its easy to take clips and make anything look bad but bjk is real usefull in fights no 1 style is perfect put it in youre arsenal and its like any art it will add to you perticularly good for takedowns escapes and power counters also consider if you havnt studied a hard style a soft style or mix style of the two you wont understand it by watching youtube videos
champwagner 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
"bjk is real usefull in fights"
Not it's not. You can never learn anything practical in martial arts without sparring. The Bujinkan actually tells their students NOT to spar.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
i'm caucasian but some fellers tell that i can pass as japanese. is it okay for me to become a ninjer?
EunusRex 1 year ago
JAJAJAJAJAJAJA this video is great. That´s why MMA and modern trainning methods rules, they both have transcended the cultural barriers and limitations. It´s not weird to see an asiatic or western dressed in camo/comando/mma short and it makes perfect sense.
ravenwitch1 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
Beware of the MAGUS OF JAVA !!!
zigsauer 1 year ago
@8:37 "girl in the box" fyi that girl is Mari Yaguchi.
otakujam1 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy more like 3.....6 if youre lucky lol
Dooshtv 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy wish there was one of those around here lol
Dooshtv 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy Well, paying 300 dollars for ju jitsu lessons, I rather pay 70euros(price of a 2 days seminar), and get a good teaching, I bet you never gone to a bujinkan dojo, and tried to follow a class and understand what's being done. You could make a video of any sensei teaching, and give him a bad look. Also, I doubt you got any "real" ju jitsu teacher, else he would of taught you respect for other budos. But I bet you are into BJJ.
Nordrian 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy Bujinkan isn't a cult, and you prove yourself being silly if saying so, also, if as a first kyu traditional jujitsu practitioner, the best you can do is go on youtube, watch a video, and say "yeah this martial art sucks", then you failed at understanding martial arts, I have a lot of respect for jujitsu, traditional one, real one, but I have no respect for people like you, who obviously don't understand the philosophy that goes with Traditional MA.
Nordrian 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazySeriously?JAPANESE JujUtsu?lol 1st Kyu is like Kindergarden.If you do stick with martial arts for most of your life you're going to look back at your comments and think how foolish you were.I joined Bujinkan after 8 years of martial arts training, most were Koryu as some ppl call them.As far as cult goes,the Koryu MA are more of a cult from MY experience because ppl scrape left and right.Honestly,you need to realize that your jujutsu is alot like bujinkan,only we have flow and weapons
sanshin9 1 year ago
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mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy You think you are the only ones who go through intense testing such as the one you've described?It is very much like my Shodan test when I was doing Shorinjiryu at 16.Like you,I thought I was"all mighty"only after 7dedicated years of MA training.Afterwards I met a few talented Bujinkan teachers that made me feel like I knew nothing,because I really did.This is when I learnt how to humble myself and set aside my ego.You don't know what you're betting up against.That can be dangerous.
sanshin9 1 year ago
@sanshin9 Yeah u 'really' sound humble.....
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy thank you
sanshin9 1 year ago
@mrdubcrazy i call bs i am apractitioner of bujinkan from a real dojo that teaches usefull techniques there are basics all bjk students learn but all schools know totaly dif techniques infact theres to much to learn hatsumi admits he knows only a small portion of the science infact its not a style more of a system there are no set techniques all movenments are meant to mix to the quickest finish also in bjk theres a kyu and dan system but theres only white green and black belt no brown
champwagner 1 year ago
Bullshit
Deathsiren 1 year ago
The Japanese is very glad.
laughing･･
because
The Japanese and the Asian think that the thing of Europe is cool than our(asian) thing.
Because europe has the advancing science and technology.
Therefore its funny but
laughing of glad.
unndarage 1 year ago
this master have been taught by a japanese master so it's like laughing to themself.and as someone mentioned before they should be proud that some of there culture is all around the world.and french doesn't wear berets since a hundred years
ajja18 1 year ago
the japanese find it funny because ninjitsu doesnt exist
happysplinters 1 year ago 4
I don't understand why those Japanese are laughing at Budokas wearing tabis and black gis but don't laugh at Westerners wearing gis in Judo, Karate, or Hakamas in Aikido or Kendo? That dojo in the video looks like Arnaud Cosuergue a high ranking well known Shihan in the Bujinkan. I think those Japanese commentators should be proud that people around the world practice an ancient art from their homeland. As for the Bujinkan being legitimate or not...well there's arguments from both sides on that.
ninjamaster73 1 year ago
@ninjamaster73 I'm sure it's just light-hearted poking fun and no harm is intended. It's often odd for Japanese to see westerners in gi and hakama also, but since ninpo is more obscure than karate or jujutsu, it's even stranger for a westerner to be in tabi. I doubt any ill intent was there.
ThePsychoguy 1 year ago
@ninjamaster73 Because europeans are too careless and not thourough at all. We think everything we do is simple, only caring about results. Lack of discipline and respect.
Zafoshin 1 year ago
@Zafoshin Europeans do NOT have a lack of discipline and respect, you are simply to ignorant to realize that this one group doesn't represent all of Europe. If you've ever heard of UFC, you would see that Westerners and Asians have the same level of talent in the martial arts.
StevoeUSA 1 year ago
@StevoeUSA I'm not generalizing, I'm specifying my general belief for this case. It would be naive of me to assume martial arts in europe are represented by this 1 group. Especially because I have no knowledge whatsoever about martial arts. I only believe this attitude to be the reason behind this specific group's failure. I do ,however see now how my post could lead you to this assumption. I always had some problems expressing my thoughts and for that, I apologize.
Zafoshin 1 year ago
@ninjamaster73 Lol, his techniques are bullshit and won't work on any resisting person. The air throw they said? There is no force or leverage from the Arnuad, and the guy literally flips himself. THe rope techniques are extremely stupid as a real ninja would of course be walking around with a rope. The rope techniques he uses require way too much time anyways. Ninjitsu, as far as I can tell, has been a Bullshido Martial art forever.
caltraskoo 1 year ago
@ninjamaster73 Cuz u all look like cocks wearing tabbi and ninja gear. LOL
mrdubcrazy 1 year ago
roflmao
Greenacres88 1 year ago
what's really funny is that absolutely no one never wears beret, plays accordion or eats croissants in france. i was so disappointed when i went there and saw it didn't look like what i used to see in movies and tv series... when i asked one of them why they don't at least wears striped t shirts and berets, they beat me down to death, stole all my money and gang raped my girlfriend before they beat her and raped her again.
zecle 1 year ago
@zecle then they jazz on my face and mixed their jizz with my blood and drank it, then they puke it in my gf pussy, shaked it inside and removed it into a little glass they kept for their pastis (french alcohol) and they forced me to drink the mix.
after this awful experience, i learnt something, don't use stupid cliches when you talk with someone from another country...
zecle 1 year ago
Aside from some regimented Judo, Kendo, or Karate in high school, most Japanese are completely ignorant of any old martial arts.
Using celebrity judges and a canned TV audience as proof of anything is somewhat silly. I could show this audience a film of any koryu and most of them would be bored stiff and laughing just as much. I mean, have you ever watched a Yagyu Shingan Ryu demonstration?
I find it funny that so many people spend so much time worrying about how other people train.
Iaazathoth 1 year ago
@crazyninjaful Actually I saw a Japanese dude dressed up in traditional German clothes" There's this Japanese guy: Takeo Ischi (石井健雄). He is a yodler and a star on German TV. Even though he is really good yodeling, people are extremely amused by the fact that a Japanese guy's wearing German "Trachten". Same goes when a white guy is wearing asian clothing. It just looks weird and no one will take you seriously. Just like Germans don't take an American Oktoberfest seriously.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago 35
@GaolisVideoLog
western countries don't really have martial arts as a heritage... maybe some fencing.... but i usually don't carry a sword with me (at least, when i get attacked, i never find any)
if we compare our heritage with the heritage from china, or even japan... we see how asia is cool, and how yodling is pitiful
Lynwe 1 year ago
@Lynwe Actually they do. Let's see, there's savate, shillelagh, bartitsu; Albrecht Dürer even made a book about German wrestlig entitled "Chronik alter Kampfkünste". Also there's boxing, if you count that. And there used to be stuff like pankration and so.
Anyway, I'm not saying you shouldn't learn about Asia (btw thanks for leavin out SEA and even Korea et al. ... =..=) But you shouldn't forget that you're not part of that group and act as if you were.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog
savate, wrestling? lol !! nothing to be proud of!! nothing as good looking and profound as the fighting arts coming from asia
i did not choose if i like chinese martial arts or not. i just like it, and i love to practice it. the chinese absolutely wanted to make wushu an art practiced in the whole world (masters are always talking about spreading wushu into the world, etc..)
so I do not let people tell me what i have to practice, and what not, just because i am not asian.
Lynwe 1 year ago
@Lynwe 那我不說你不可能學亞武林啊。你只看不理解我的話。我很抱歉。Once again, I'm not saying you shouldn't learn Asian fighting styles or learn about them. Knowledge in all it's forms is wonderful, and as they say 「學海無涯」. I'm just saying that the culture from which you come from is just as beautiful and respectable. You shouldn't neglet it. Further, looking at a foreign culture from a non-native perspective will always lead to misinterpretations (see video↑↑) Martial arts is also about respecting our own ancestors.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog IIRC, Bartitsu actually has its foundations in Shinden Fudo Ryu...
KiddReige 1 year ago
@KiddReige 嗯哼，那我想感谢您。Thanks, I didn't know that.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog Yeah man, I was intrigued to find that out. Its interesting how cross cultural influences affect fighting arts the world over.
KiddReige 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog that's why we don't wear karate gi's at our karate dojo.
DuskfallBand 7 months ago
这盘录像很滑稽。我想如果那里有西洋人要学武林，他们必须明白，他们不是亚洲人。不要忘记或忽视自己的遗产。这是非常重要的。
This video is funny. I think if westerners want to learn martial arts, they must understand that they are not asians. Don't forget or neglect your own heritage. That is very important.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago 38
@GaolisVideoLog They should also realize that those techniques don't actually work.
DuykRuyk 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog We "gaijin" aren't "neglecting" our own heritage. Just in case you're too ignorant to understand, some of use who embrace the martial arts of another country do so because we appreciate it's values and what we can learn from it. If I'm not mistaken westerners and Asians have always been of equal talent in competitive martial arts. This is why I've never wanted to go to such an ignorant country as Japan.
StevoeUSA 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog purveyors of bujinkan must adhere to their traditions as a condition of legitimacy. as for forgetting or neglecting your own heritage tell that to the children of Germany circa 1944. i have lived in England for almost all my life i have french, Italian, German and Taiwanese ancestry tracing back to within the last 100 years but i have no cultural allegiance to any of them. no one should limit the amount of cultural incorporation based on where they live.
boosomentity 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog
agreed! Europe has her own martial arts
j4allen 1 year ago
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@j4allen "Europe has her own martial arts"
Boxing, wrestling, pankration, all a thousand times more useful than the vast majority of asian martial arts.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
Haha I lost it so hard when I saw the 4 kings
j4allen 1 year ago
@GaolisVideoLog Finally someone tells the truth.A martial artist should respect the art and try to make it a part of him-herself.Everyone is the same and everyone is different.
0isl0 1 year ago 2
@0isl0 "Everyone is the same and everyone is different."
Lol. This is a logical contradiction. Is this some of the pseudo-philosophical BS your "ninjitsu" instructor has been feeding you?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 this is not pseudo philosophical-it is greek philosophical that tells that everyone is different but at the same time we have the same rights-needs and as bruce lee used to say there is no one with 3 legs and 5 arms.
Has your mma instructor ever tell you anything apart from aaaaaaa-ough-bam?
And about sparring..we have a word for it..Ninjutsu sparring is called randori-we just don't fight in competitions(and in order to inform you competitions have nothing to do with reality)
0isl0 1 year ago
"and in order to inform you competitions have nothing to do with reality"
Oh yeah, because fighting in a cage with no rules is absolutely nothing like fighting outside a cage with no rules. I guess the cage has some magical anti-reality powers. Moron.
"Has your mma instructor ever tell you anything apart from aaaaaaa-ough-bam?"
What the fuck?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Does your instructor speak or he only screams (scream sounds aaaaaaa-ough-bam)??Do you understand or should i make it simpler?
0isl0 1 year ago
@0isl0 Yes my instructor only screams incoherently like a retard. That's obviously how we learn to fight at all ranges and to be a thousand times more technical than anything the TMA world has to offer. But yeah I'll see if I can get him to google some mostly meaningless asian "philosophical" quotes so he can act more smug and self-righteous like a "real" MA instructor.
Good job avoiding the real argument, btw.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 You can fight in a cage with a referee in it (if you are practising only mma).I'm sorry to inform that the only philosophical phrase i used was from greece and greece is in europe....
you forget that MixedMartialArts are made by tma parts.and about effectivity-tma have been developed through war tactics and have proven their value through war.mma was created for competition.
0isl0 1 year ago
"you forget that MixedMartialArts are made by tma parts"
No actually it is you who forgets this. You think that because there is MMA competition, it could not work outside that competition, without giving any reason for why it wouldn't work, which is absurd. MMA was actually invented as a way to test the effectiveness of TMAs.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
"tma have been developed through war"
Not true. Every MA has a BS story about how it was used in war. It's a creation myth. Nothing more. It doesn't even make any sense since people never fought unarmed in war.
I'll ignore common sense for a minute and go with your explanation: The US army (by far the most powerful army in history) now does MMA. By your logic, that would make me something like a modern Army Ranger and you something like one of those rednecks who do US Civil War reenactments.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 they never fought unarmed in war but they fought closer than now and they had to fight each other unarmed when their weapons where lost(by the way manipulating a weapon is a good way to learn how to move in a fight).that's why greek's learned pancration,samurai's jujutsu,siam soldiers muai thai etc...if the ancient wars were made with modern ways we woudl be in another planet now
0isl0 1 year ago
@0isl0 So the Greeks learned pankration for war.. yet it began as an Olympic sport.
So, would you go tell the ancient Greeks that what they were doing also had nothing to do with reality? After all, it was a sport first, a competition between two people with rules and a referee. If this were true, why did Herodotus and even the Persians comment on how effectively the Spartans used it in war? How different is ancient Pankration from modern MMA anyways?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
apart from geography you don't know history...pankration began as a martial art(mythology refers that thiseas(who fought minotauros)or hercules(who did the 12 labours not Kevin Sorbo)invented pankration) and then it became an olympic sport at the 33d olympiad(and it is written that in olympic pankration biting,eye hiting and the use of nails was forbitten.those tactics were taught for army use.that's my final post because i don't give free lessons of history-geography-martial arts.go to scool
0isl0 1 year ago
Yes I know quite a bit about the mythical founding of Pankration by Theseus and Heracles. I majored in history in college, Greco-Roman being my favorite era. I definitely don't need your lectures where you're not even adding anything new. However, you did completely avoid my argument again.
How different is Pankration from MMA?
Muay Thai was used in war and then became a sport, while Pankration was a sport that was used in war. What does this tell you about your sport vs. reality dichotomy?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 cage fighting includes 2 persons practising for a month to face eachother in front of a referee (if there are no rules why is there a referee?).in reality you will have to face 2 or more fighters and there is no referee to stop them. if you go ground fighting you will probably not get up again.jujutsu masters say that you should go to the ground either dead or unconcious.mma is great but it has not all the answers...neither any other martial art.think and search more and talk less.
0isl0 1 year ago
@0isl0 "cage fighting includes 2 persons practising for a month to face eachother in front of a referee (if there are no rules why is there a referee?)."
If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know that for years MMA matches had no rules. Even in the original UFC tournaments eye gouging, biting and groin striking were in fact technically legal. Nobody could stop the fight except the fighters themselves.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 even if this is real(i doubt about it but i don't have the mood to search the r u l e book of ufc) the 2 fighters in the cage are fighting for the first place,not their life...
0isl0 1 year ago
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@0isl0 "the 2 fighters in the cage are fighting for the first place,not their life..."
Oh, so unlike those stupid UFC fighters, you regularly fight for your life during your training?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@0isl0 If you have never fought for your life, then you aren't doing something special that is beyond MMA. MMA fighters do, however, actually try to knock each other out and break each others bones. Do you at least do this much in your training? If not, what you are doing is much more "fake" and out of touch with reality than what an MMA fighter does.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@0isl0 "jujutsu masters say that you should go to the ground either dead or unconcious"
Good excuse for not training. This is kinda like saying "you don't want to get hit in the face like boxers do, so definitely don't learn how to box". Knowing grappling gives you the power to dictate whether the fight remains standing or goes to the ground, and 90% of real fights go to the ground whether anyone wanted it there or not. But yeah, don't learn grappling.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 the meaning of my phrase is that ground should be avoided because it does not assure you that you will be the winner and once you go down you can't easily get up.
100% of real fights goes to the ground with the one unconcious!!!!ground fighting is a big chapter that should be practised(and it is practised in all -jutsu styles.don't forget that bjj comes from traditional jujutsu).But you don't have to forget that it's only a part of the whole thing.don't get fanatised!!!!!!
0isl0 1 year ago
"don't forget that bjj comes from traditional jujutsu"
It comes from Judo, and Judo comes from traditional Jujitsu, but even the Japanese are doing BJJ now, because most traditional JJ is crap.
"But you don't have to forget that it's only a part of the whole thing"
You're saying this to an MMA person?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
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0isl0 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 you're right.i had in mind that judo was a martial art then and not an olympic sport. tell me what else you don't like and let's name it crap!
0isl0 1 year ago
@0isl0 Then we have Muay Thai apparently being used in war, lol. That kinda defeats your whole sport vs street dichotomy doesn't it? Oh and I do like Judo. A lot.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@0isl0 So, are you going to tell me how a fight between two people in a cage where there are absolutely no rules "has nothing to do with reality"?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 there is one rule at least-don't kill the opponent because you are not in danger-this is a very important aspect of real fighting
0isl0 1 year ago
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@0isl0 "there is one rule at least-don't kill the opponent because you are not in danger-this is a very important aspect of real fighting"
So then you at least regularly break bones, like MMA fighters, right?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
Good video good praticioners
quigong2012 1 year ago
@gords12345 Hitler - oh noes! you've mentioned (s)Hitler in a thread that was nothing to do with the rise of WW II Nazis!
This can only mean one thing - the tread is now contaminated and must be destroyed...
or at least not taken very seriously (like it it was so serious in the first place yeah?)
scopeophile 1 year ago
@reginaninja
Matial art can be used to teach EVERYONE IN BECOMING A BETTER AND LOVING PERSON! That is the point to teach ALL WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS GOOD specially to those who ignore what is good as racist, bullies,etc. It depends on the teacher if he can reach the sutudent and YES he can reach eveyone also by video or even by email or phone. Thre are others wo study in local dojo and are misusing martial art for hurting others. It depends on the teacher.
*bow*
angela
*bow*
angela
tayounorise 1 year ago
@reginaninja
every martial art style I consider in addtion as warfare or also selfdefense it depends who use it how use it and with which intention you use it. If you want to harm or kill someone you can do it wheter with your mind, body, or weapons and environment circumstances.
tayounorise 1 year ago
@tayounorise
One think make the difference for me is when you teach someone a technique no matter from which (martial)art is also to teach to grow with the technique in mind and soul teaching moral values as love and respect patience and tolerance like chosonninja does always! In my opinion a true master of (martial)art teaches together with this moral values.
*bow*
angela
tayounorise 1 year ago
@reginaninja
if you would have read all my comments below you maybe will understand and have no reason to argue with me.
*bow*
angela
tayounorise 1 year ago
nothing wrong with this, just a bunch of people having a good time,
Alecal89 1 year ago
WOW! these guys just broke the bull-o-meter.... so sad that this kind of turdage network has gone international and stupid round eye ass-holes eat it up like it's the fucking golden manna of knowledge, I know some would say the gullible are like legs at a full contact traditional MA competition, insofar they should never be given an even break.... but c'mon! you just know some duped little nerdy kid is going to try and rely on this shit and get the kicking of their lives....
scopeophile 1 year ago
@scopeophile it doesn't look like much, very true. But go give it a try, you'll be surprised how elegant an art it is and how incredibly painful it can be. You wouldn't believe it but train for a month and see for yourself.
sid8980 1 year ago
@sid8980 Next you'll be telling me Ashita Kim is the real deal and has teh d3aly3y
scopeophile 1 year ago
@scopeophile nah, I can only speak from my experience with the Bujinkan,and will always recommend it to people. I started in JKD, did some Muay thai, boxing, Tigercrane, BJJ and wound up in the Bujinkan. Of them all, it was the one that I liked the most, but I will admit the first couple of months I felt and looked ridiculous lol (postures are weird) but you get past that once the cool stuff begins
sid8980 1 year ago