What I don't understand is why can atheists not accept it when one of their own decides that atheism isn't the answer. There has to be more to it. Why do you guys go out bashing the guy? If a christian looses his faith and becomes an atheist, I will be very sorry for him but Christians won't bash him. It's everyone's God given choice to make. You have to live with the consequences though, but it is a choice. Atheists have tried to disprove the Bible and tuned into believers many times.
Hey if people wanna believe in god i say more power to them but i feel theres nothing wrong with not believing i mean it doesnt hurt no anyone there would be no problems if people just kept there beleifs to themselves
As a ardent agnostic, I really have to commend this guy for his candid approach to explaining his conversion. I certainly don't agree with him but felt compelled to subscribe to his channel because he exudes sincerity and humbleness. Moreover, he's not a snarky little asshole like shockofgod whose every word repels me further from his bronze age belief system.
Great video. This is great sharing. I am not a scientist, but I too have felt that the more we know in terms of science, the more we realize how much we do not know.
it's interesting to hear how he talks about his appreciation for God's creation more after he got saved. More colorful, more dynamic. I remember this also happening to me when I became a believer. God just makes you more thankful for things.
Then there are the Muslims for example, they believe it's not evil to stone women to death for their "honor" or to slaughter masses of other people who are not Muslim.
They may also be a big majority in some places, but that is still pure evil, born out of brainwashing. The only thing they learn is hatred to non Muslims.
No problem dude! I'm saying that most people in the world, will probably agree that some things are evil. Not because they are the majority, but because the concept of evil, is somewhat agreed on.
Whole nations (like WW2 Germany for example) can practice evil under false pretexts. Not because they believe it's morally right but because they were in denial. They all had a common problem so they ignored their morals and knowingly accepted a flawed pretext. This is the human condition.
Evil's definition may be somewhat relative and subjective but those things you mention, most people categorize them as evil. Just because you can't exactly define something, it doesn't mean you can't recognize it.
As I said, there are somethings, in which there is a lot of debate whether you can call it evil or not. But many things, such as your examples, leave no doubt to most people, no matter what the explanation for that evil might be.
@euheide I'll give you a history lesson about those perceptions of Morality.
During the Holocaust many people saw it as a just act, why? Because, Jews, apparently weren't people, not worthy of life, burdens on society dragging it down. They were not only tortured, they were experimented on, the same way we experiment on lab rats today, but in a way even more brutal. That was still seen as just to them.
@euheide Now what does decide morality? Is it human perception? That any action can be justified if people are deluded into believe it is just?
But what of something like God? An all powerful all knowing being outside of time and space, would that being not be the decider of morality?
Have you ever seen someone you care about butchered before you very eyes? Do you think the perpetrators are thinking "yes, this is evil, I know it is and I am doing it"?
I also act as a foster parent, helping kids whose parents are either unable or unwilling to take care of their children. I remember one little girl I took care of, she was honestly afraid of men. Why? Her father raped her.
But can't you argue what he did was right, I mean he was relieving an apparent "need" that us males supposedly have?
Or if he raped a full grown woman? She might get pregnant. Increasing the size of our species! Isn't that a good argument?
@euheide Those perceptions did exist once upon a time and quite commonly, especially amongst viscous invasive groups.
Are you saying that should be accepted as justified, because people at the time believed it was right?
Are you justifying the deaths of millions of lives and the ruining of millions more, simply because the majority, in POWER, who had the OVERWHELMING opinion, said it was right?
@euheide In reality their are countless perceptions of right and wrong, but the ideal your following is that the strongest group with the most power, decides what is right and wrong.
If such a world were accepted, by everyone, then I would gladly say that it is a world deserving an Armageddon.
Thats my ending right there, sorry It took so many posts man.
1: if physics can't explain explain (even remotely) something, it just means that human intelligence isn't able to grasp that reality. If intelligence isn't able to grasp something that doesn't mean this something is a miracle. To believe that, what no one can explain is probably miracle is the same as saying human intelligence can grasp everything but miracles... Evil is another thing our intelligence can't understand.
2. What you felt can be explained by psychological phenomena.
@0Maloy1 Evil as all other abstract concepts is hard to define and understand because it's relative and subjective. Every one of us has a slightly different opinion of what is evil and what is not, although most of us agree that some things are evil. but it's relative. My definition of evil would be any action or lack there of, that brings harm to any living being without a good enough motive. This is just my version of evil though, and any action has its motives...
@euheide Unfortunately, I don't think your definition is well defined enough.
Hitler believed massacring the Jews was for the greater good of all men.
If we just name Good and Evil as perception then we justify any action if we can provide a half decent reason, as Hitler was able to convince many people Jews were not people and their extinction would be better for everyone.
England breeds a unique type of theist: Those who have been through the secular education system with its policy of enforced naturalism, and who have developed the courage, wisdom and intellectual insight to understand that naturalism is essentially an unfalsifiable religion by stealth - a non-empirical metaphysical assumption that is covertly inseminated from early education, and which is NOT necessary for science, as the history of science has amply demonstrated.
I think it's due to philosophical and epistemological incompetence at a cultural and systemic level. An inability to understand foundational principles always leads to susceptibility to indoctrination, because it deprives its victims of the capacity to challenge root creedal precepts.
I'm not necessarily saying that England is an atheist blackspot - there are parts of Europe which are far worse. Until recently ,it has fared poorly, morally and culturally, under a left wing government.
@JCrownwell I live in england, im a young 20 year old and i just came to faith in Jesus Christ. I don't see what our government have to do with this, we are capable of making our own decisions.
The government has more of a say in the spiritual environment of a country than we'd like to think.
Malignant liberalist precepts are now threatening prevalence, whereas they were shunned even as little as 10-20 years ago. Such changes do track back to policies implemented at the highest levels of office.
Maybe you're too young to notice the difference, but even non-faith schools used to allude systemetically to absolute moral and ontological precepts as part of teaching.
The heart of the 10 Commandments is humans being sacred?
watch?v= 8QWwz T4ulkA& feature=channel
Well as shown in the video, some of them are in regards to 'God's insecurity'
In addition, it shows some situations that the commandments do NOT allow change, despite it obviously being a greater good for self defence or other reasons.
Also, where are the commandments on rape and slavery?
If a computer said it was infallible, you asked it why and it said it was because it was programed to be you would think it was deluded under its own design.
You think the rules of the Bible are good natured?
I didn't say you said the 'pinch of salt' part, my point was the Bible does NOT allow any variation in actions, under the Biblical 'code' you are required to follow preset rules, there is NO negotiation, no compromise even for the greater good
The existence of a moral law would in the case of the Bible would not allow variation of actions, there is no part of the Bible that teaches 'follow these laws with a pinch of salt'
If a moral law does exist, then why does society in general not keep slaves, rape and pillage, as is allowed in the Bible.
The existence of a Moral law would require a moral law giver, which would basically mean 'he' decided what morals were, what gives him more leverage over me or you in morals?
Is it not the case however, that for you there is no variation of moral activities, lying is outright wrong, murder is outright wrong etc?
This is also very dangerous due to the lack of ability to adjust them for some situations where it would be more moral to lie or do some other actions the Bible is against.
Then there is the flip side, you can't change what is Good either if you accept 'solid' moral laws based upon the Bible, as at no point it say 'take with a pinch salt'
Your making it sound like I 'prefer' not to hurt people, I was raised by parents who somehow gave me the idea that hurting people is wrong (with some extreme exceptions of course).
Then again, in the Nazi's case they were subjected to a lot of propaganda as well.
However, I assume you base your morals on the Biblical ones, in that case you are setting a pre-set 'standard' moral 'code' that cannot be changed, correct?
Ahh! Silly me i missed the main point there, so i now get what you meant is that there is no 'standard', yes that is a truth, but most people are in agreement in regards to morals, well at least mosto of the people I know.
But, they would need to 'comply' with the 'do to others' and 'species preservation'. that would be a good way to determine who was right in those cases. would you agree that those 2 concepts would make a good moral foundation?
Morals are not interchangable, you can hurt yourself (with drugs in my oppionion) as long as it does not affect others. However regardless of how your morals are set you can still break them through your actions. The reason Hitler was immoral is because he went against both 'do to others' and 'species presurvastion' concepts. If everyone went by those 2 concepts in general there woukld be no crime or immoral actions. I somewhat agree that subjectivity can be a problem.
Policing the police is always an issue, hopefully the recent looking into such forces due to factors such as wikileaks will make them a bit more transparant to the general public.
My 'your judgemental attempt' comment meant how you made it seem my morals were interchangable, ie i could choose on the spot what was right and wrong to suit me.
Anyway, is there anything else you would like to bring up, i find this exchange intriguing.
Well, you have gotten a bit judgemental in your attempts to 'read my mind'.
A simple way to define bad from my perspective is basically only do to others what you would like them to do to you, its a good guide in general but another way I put it is to say don't do anything that hurts the species.
although one of the obvious reasons for not doing it is the desire not to hurt people (or like done to me), but the police and other factors also contribute to it as well.
it is great to see so many atheists rejecting there former errors and I strongly urge other atheists to follow suite. The evidence that there is a God is all there all you have to do is read it and you will feel compelled to BELIEVE
The origin of evolution (from the very start of earth) can be attributed to the chemical reactions that occurred when the planet became stable enough to allow reactions, these were based upon the materials available at the time and could only react with the environment they were in, the actualisation was forced due to limited chemicals to react with, unless i misinterpreted what you wrote.
Anyway, yes why not talk about Jesus, what do you want to start with?
They also make the concept of the Flying Spaghetti monster more probable, due to the fact there is no credible evidence for the existence of both of those entities, but yes, it does make it more probable, perhaps the start of building a stable foundation, in the same sense as could be applied to the Spaghetti monster.
The objective or science is to learn from the world we live in, that isn't really being debated is it?
Even if something looks designed it can still, even by any stretch of logic attributed to Chance. I'm no Physicist but I assume since everything was 'compacted' into such as small area prior to the bang that there was no part of each of the 1:100,000 million that would be deprived of material.
The concept of God is irrefutable in theory due to their being no physical way to measure it (impossible to completely disprove). I do see it as a possibility, which is why I ask questions and look at evidence presented by both sides, and scrutinise them accordingly. Thus far this statement is falsifiable, due to evolution (or abiogenesis) allowing life to be created by non-living materials and adapting-to its environment.
The Cosmological argument jumps to the assumption that God is the first cause, so that assumption cannot be scientific.
The Teleological argument also jumps to the same conclusion without justification, and also assumes that the universe is designed, even if this was the case what could have created God or designed him?
I missed this bit when reading initially, but you believe in am SUPPRESSING evidence for god when I'm asking you for some..... I seriously hope you aren't that prejudiced against people who believe there is no God., but as requested could you provide some more specific arguments for the existence of God.
I cant believe someone just mentioned the flying spaghetti monster lol I'm gonna continue to pray and give thanks for this man who exchanged a lie for the truth. To God be the glory forever amen.
Well thats new, please specify what evidence you refer too, because from my perspective there is the exact opposite situation (ie a complete lack of credible evidence for a God) Please make a point indicating that or specify some evidence
How can you devote your entire belief sytem on one religion?..I've said this before and I'll say it again in which you failed to answer.Christians believe Christianity is your only ticket to enlightenment.Then Catholics say only with Catholicism.Baptist believe only through the Baptist church...How do you know who to believe? And I certainly refuse to believe those of other faiths are destined for eternal damnation without Christ just because they choose another belief sytem other than your own
@DAZEOFTHESTONED Believers have turned the Word Of God into a book of what they want to believe. They twist words around to make them sound like what they want. If you want to know what God said,what Jesus said about entering Heaven then read the New Testament. I hope you enjoy,I have read it twice already.
@rageoftyrael Let me ask you this and I'll show you the madness before your very eyes. What do you claim. 1. God can exist 2. God can't exist or 3. You don't know?
@shockofgod i claim 2 things. 1 and 3. what now? though to be completely honest, i don't actually claim god can exist, cause then i'd have to prove it, which i can't. but i'm open to the possibility. mostly 3.
@Kezazah yes but since youtube is an atheist mecca the atheists worship their god the thumb down button lol so I love to take what little power they have away from them. Now alas even that is taken away.
@ThePeterlockhart Well mate, I figure your Australian atheism is so lacking in flaws. Tell me, when you're thankful for something really good happening in your life, and there are no humans to really thank, who do you thank, science?
A spiritual revolution is about to happen real soon. You need to know the Everlasting Gospel. Peace be with you and keep you all.
dsh3354 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
What I don't understand is why can atheists not accept it when one of their own decides that atheism isn't the answer. There has to be more to it. Why do you guys go out bashing the guy? If a christian looses his faith and becomes an atheist, I will be very sorry for him but Christians won't bash him. It's everyone's God given choice to make. You have to live with the consequences though, but it is a choice. Atheists have tried to disprove the Bible and tuned into believers many times.
Michael6609 6 months ago
Just because Quantum physics isn't fully understood doesn't mean that God exists.
atheistram 6 months ago
This guy is always good for a laugh
logicalthinker101 6 months ago
what...a load... of shit.
worldmayor2008 6 months ago
Hey if people wanna believe in god i say more power to them but i feel theres nothing wrong with not believing i mean it doesnt hurt no anyone there would be no problems if people just kept there beleifs to themselves
willmac81 6 months ago
fake
PaperSoapy 6 months ago
Oh the glory of it all is he came here for the rescue of us all that we may live!
miksulder 6 months ago
As a ardent agnostic, I really have to commend this guy for his candid approach to explaining his conversion. I certainly don't agree with him but felt compelled to subscribe to his channel because he exudes sincerity and humbleness. Moreover, he's not a snarky little asshole like shockofgod whose every word repels me further from his bronze age belief system.
brianbgood 6 months ago
jesus did exist, but he didnt do all the 'magical' shit he was believed to do.
Ace12877 6 months ago
@Ace12877 and how do you know? were you there?
TheSwampShinobi 6 months ago
Great video. This is great sharing. I am not a scientist, but I too have felt that the more we know in terms of science, the more we realize how much we do not know.
chrisman737 6 months ago
Religion: ROFL
noben100 6 months ago
Religion: ROFL
Aznbum 6 months ago
good for u man
vgdhdfhfghh 6 months ago
*English accent* The devil is a bloody bastard :P
majinhiei7 6 months ago
it's interesting to hear how he talks about his appreciation for God's creation more after he got saved. More colorful, more dynamic. I remember this also happening to me when I became a believer. God just makes you more thankful for things.
CrackerJayherber 6 months ago
@CrackerJayherber may i ask what was your turning point in being a believer? thanks. :)
saphiredewdrop 6 months ago
0:55 No. Philosophy is irrelevant..... what the hell?
yoshiguy123 6 months ago
Then there are the Muslims for example, they believe it's not evil to stone women to death for their "honor" or to slaughter masses of other people who are not Muslim.
They may also be a big majority in some places, but that is still pure evil, born out of brainwashing. The only thing they learn is hatred to non Muslims.
euheide 8 months ago
Take the Muslims for example, they believe it's not evil to stone women to death for their "honor".
They may be a big majority in some places, but that is still pure evil, born out of lack of knowledge of basic human rights and brainwashing.
euheide 8 months ago
No problem dude! I'm saying that most people in the world, will probably agree that some things are evil. Not because they are the majority, but because the concept of evil, is somewhat agreed on.
Whole nations (like WW2 Germany for example) can practice evil under false pretexts. Not because they believe it's morally right but because they were in denial. They all had a common problem so they ignored their morals and knowingly accepted a flawed pretext. This is the human condition.
euheide 8 months ago
Evil's definition may be somewhat relative and subjective but those things you mention, most people categorize them as evil. Just because you can't exactly define something, it doesn't mean you can't recognize it.
As I said, there are somethings, in which there is a lot of debate whether you can call it evil or not. But many things, such as your examples, leave no doubt to most people, no matter what the explanation for that evil might be.
But there is no definite "definition" of evil.
euheide 8 months ago
@euheide I'll give you a history lesson about those perceptions of Morality.
During the Holocaust many people saw it as a just act, why? Because, Jews, apparently weren't people, not worthy of life, burdens on society dragging it down. They were not only tortured, they were experimented on, the same way we experiment on lab rats today, but in a way even more brutal. That was still seen as just to them.
(this will take up more then one youtube comment)
What ultimate decider is there to morals
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@euheide Now what does decide morality? Is it human perception? That any action can be justified if people are deluded into believe it is just?
But what of something like God? An all powerful all knowing being outside of time and space, would that being not be the decider of morality?
Have you ever seen someone you care about butchered before you very eyes? Do you think the perpetrators are thinking "yes, this is evil, I know it is and I am doing it"?
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@euheide
I also act as a foster parent, helping kids whose parents are either unable or unwilling to take care of their children. I remember one little girl I took care of, she was honestly afraid of men. Why? Her father raped her.
But can't you argue what he did was right, I mean he was relieving an apparent "need" that us males supposedly have?
Or if he raped a full grown woman? She might get pregnant. Increasing the size of our species! Isn't that a good argument?
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@euheide Those perceptions did exist once upon a time and quite commonly, especially amongst viscous invasive groups.
Are you saying that should be accepted as justified, because people at the time believed it was right?
Are you justifying the deaths of millions of lives and the ruining of millions more, simply because the majority, in POWER, who had the OVERWHELMING opinion, said it was right?
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@euheide In reality their are countless perceptions of right and wrong, but the ideal your following is that the strongest group with the most power, decides what is right and wrong.
If such a world were accepted, by everyone, then I would gladly say that it is a world deserving an Armageddon.
Thats my ending right there, sorry It took so many posts man.
0Maloy1 8 months ago
Encouraging to see somebody open to truth and reason and not ruled by adolescent, ego-driven emotionalist rebellion. Praise God.
carcabe 8 months ago
my point being, it doesnt have to be fake just because u dont think it makes sense in this universe. bc there are many different realities
Rachulie 8 months ago
Im not a Christian but FUCK TAA
keyblademaster16 8 months ago
i didnt believe god and heaven or hell could be true until i thought about different dimensions etc. because i watched dr who lol.
Rachulie 8 months ago
@Rachulie ahahahah!
euheide 8 months ago
AMEN! This was wonderful! Congratulations on your new found life. It will be worth it all. Thanks for sharing this video and God Bless.
jennel802009 8 months ago
two things
1: if physics can't explain explain (even remotely) something, it just means that human intelligence isn't able to grasp that reality. If intelligence isn't able to grasp something that doesn't mean this something is a miracle. To believe that, what no one can explain is probably miracle is the same as saying human intelligence can grasp everything but miracles... Evil is another thing our intelligence can't understand.
2. What you felt can be explained by psychological phenomena.
euheide 8 months ago
@euheide What is your definition of evil? What makes something either evil or good?
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@0Maloy1 Evil as all other abstract concepts is hard to define and understand because it's relative and subjective. Every one of us has a slightly different opinion of what is evil and what is not, although most of us agree that some things are evil. but it's relative. My definition of evil would be any action or lack there of, that brings harm to any living being without a good enough motive. This is just my version of evil though, and any action has its motives...
euheide 8 months ago
@euheide Unfortunately, I don't think your definition is well defined enough.
Hitler believed massacring the Jews was for the greater good of all men.
If we just name Good and Evil as perception then we justify any action if we can provide a half decent reason, as Hitler was able to convince many people Jews were not people and their extinction would be better for everyone.
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@0Maloy1 That's what I was trying to say. No one's definition is good enough, because evil is an abstract concept. It's subjective and relative.
euheide 8 months ago
@euheide Too accept that there is no definite evil is naive, I urge you to go see the world, and not from a movie screen.
People being tortured.
Children sold as slaves
Grown women kidnapped and made sex slaves.
Jewish survivors of the Holocaust being murdered by their neighbors
Mass Starvation in North Korea
I refuse to accept any of those things as simply a different perception of good.
and if you do your either a fool or an animal that should be imprisoned.
0Maloy1 8 months ago
@0Maloy1 evil is not a created force. it is simply the absence of good. much like darkness doesn't really exist, its just the absence of light.
hoogys 8 months ago
Are you still only allowing approved comments?
0sacrosanct 8 months ago
England breeds a unique type of theist: Those who have been through the secular education system with its policy of enforced naturalism, and who have developed the courage, wisdom and intellectual insight to understand that naturalism is essentially an unfalsifiable religion by stealth - a non-empirical metaphysical assumption that is covertly inseminated from early education, and which is NOT necessary for science, as the history of science has amply demonstrated.
JCrownwell 9 months ago
@JCrownwell is that why most brits are atheists or agnostic? because of their school "preaching" it to them?
Rachulie 8 months ago
@Rachul
I think it's due to philosophical and epistemological incompetence at a cultural and systemic level. An inability to understand foundational principles always leads to susceptibility to indoctrination, because it deprives its victims of the capacity to challenge root creedal precepts.
I'm not necessarily saying that England is an atheist blackspot - there are parts of Europe which are far worse. Until recently ,it has fared poorly, morally and culturally, under a left wing government.
JCrownwell 7 months ago
@JCrownwell I live in england, im a young 20 year old and i just came to faith in Jesus Christ. I don't see what our government have to do with this, we are capable of making our own decisions.
k12rising 7 months ago
@k12rising
The government has more of a say in the spiritual environment of a country than we'd like to think.
Malignant liberalist precepts are now threatening prevalence, whereas they were shunned even as little as 10-20 years ago. Such changes do track back to policies implemented at the highest levels of office.
Maybe you're too young to notice the difference, but even non-faith schools used to allude systemetically to absolute moral and ontological precepts as part of teaching.
JCrownwell 6 months ago
Awesome testimony! Thanks for sharing the hope you've found in Jesus!
GodInMeThroughMe 10 months ago
Fuck your "god".
JOAPY 1 year ago
The ONLY way you will ever KNOW that Jesus is real, is to meet HIM in the Spirit.
You can know about Him from the bible but you cannot know Him from the bible.
ONCE you meet the living Jesus, all doubt will disapear.
The Bible has become the Mark of the Beast.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST Please don't teach anyone this. It is very wrong.
Zeikid 1 year ago
@Zeikid KING JAMES Rev 13: Another beast coming up out of the earth…
For it is the number of a man…King James born 6/1566
King James 6th of Scotland … King James version bible 66 books
666 Is the # of the beast…His mark is carried in your hand.
Billions are controlled by this mark…The President swears into office on it.
In 1611 King James authorized the bible and this is when..
The bible became the mark of the beast.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
How exactly did this person PROVE that there is a devil pulling the strings in the world? All I see are human beings ..... o_O
thorkyll 1 year ago
hey Shock..can you answer this for me?
When i posted a comment on the atheist channel, that opposed their view.
Bang! they blocked me.I this a typical tactic that they use?
mockerofscoffers 1 year ago
@mockerofscoffers it wouldn't be a typical tactic by me, but then again, i'm not afraid of dissenting views.
rageoftyrael 1 year ago
@HatemailMagnet I was not born an atheist so I wasn't born insane.
shockofgod 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Also, what specificly do you mean about what Jesus said (ie what part do you mean, say something like psalms 22:3 or whatever if you can't quote it)
How can God be Infalliable? there is no way to check it and the only communication he has had with humanity disallows changes within reason.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The heart of the 10 Commandments is humans being sacred?
watch?v= 8QWwz T4ulkA& feature=channel
Well as shown in the video, some of them are in regards to 'God's insecurity'
In addition, it shows some situations that the commandments do NOT allow change, despite it obviously being a greater good for self defence or other reasons.
Also, where are the commandments on rape and slavery?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
That circular logic.
If a computer said it was infallible, you asked it why and it said it was because it was programed to be you would think it was deluded under its own design.
You think the rules of the Bible are good natured?
I didn't say you said the 'pinch of salt' part, my point was the Bible does NOT allow any variation in actions, under the Biblical 'code' you are required to follow preset rules, there is NO negotiation, no compromise even for the greater good
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The existence of a moral law would in the case of the Bible would not allow variation of actions, there is no part of the Bible that teaches 'follow these laws with a pinch of salt'
If a moral law does exist, then why does society in general not keep slaves, rape and pillage, as is allowed in the Bible.
The existence of a Moral law would require a moral law giver, which would basically mean 'he' decided what morals were, what gives him more leverage over me or you in morals?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Is it not the case however, that for you there is no variation of moral activities, lying is outright wrong, murder is outright wrong etc?
This is also very dangerous due to the lack of ability to adjust them for some situations where it would be more moral to lie or do some other actions the Bible is against.
Then there is the flip side, you can't change what is Good either if you accept 'solid' moral laws based upon the Bible, as at no point it say 'take with a pinch salt'
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Your making it sound like I 'prefer' not to hurt people, I was raised by parents who somehow gave me the idea that hurting people is wrong (with some extreme exceptions of course).
Then again, in the Nazi's case they were subjected to a lot of propaganda as well.
However, I assume you base your morals on the Biblical ones, in that case you are setting a pre-set 'standard' moral 'code' that cannot be changed, correct?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Ahh! Silly me i missed the main point there, so i now get what you meant is that there is no 'standard', yes that is a truth, but most people are in agreement in regards to morals, well at least mosto of the people I know.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
But, they would need to 'comply' with the 'do to others' and 'species preservation'. that would be a good way to determine who was right in those cases. would you agree that those 2 concepts would make a good moral foundation?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Morals are not interchangable, you can hurt yourself (with drugs in my oppionion) as long as it does not affect others. However regardless of how your morals are set you can still break them through your actions. The reason Hitler was immoral is because he went against both 'do to others' and 'species presurvastion' concepts. If everyone went by those 2 concepts in general there woukld be no crime or immoral actions. I somewhat agree that subjectivity can be a problem.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Policing the police is always an issue, hopefully the recent looking into such forces due to factors such as wikileaks will make them a bit more transparant to the general public.
My 'your judgemental attempt' comment meant how you made it seem my morals were interchangable, ie i could choose on the spot what was right and wrong to suit me.
Anyway, is there anything else you would like to bring up, i find this exchange intriguing.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Well, you have gotten a bit judgemental in your attempts to 'read my mind'.
A simple way to define bad from my perspective is basically only do to others what you would like them to do to you, its a good guide in general but another way I put it is to say don't do anything that hurts the species.
although one of the obvious reasons for not doing it is the desire not to hurt people (or like done to me), but the police and other factors also contribute to it as well.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
Wow well said
majewskproductions 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
I believe that people will do bad things to try and benefit themselves, if they are morally compromised or mentally unstable.
I don't believe there is some 'external' force that makes us commit immoral acts.
I feel that people should be reasonable in their actions and should try to correct their wrongdoings and prevent them wherever possible.
Personally I feel some of the moral concepts 'He' created are outright horrible, but i don't think a God made morals in the firstplace
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
Great Video
it is great to see so many atheists rejecting there former errors and I strongly urge other atheists to follow suite. The evidence that there is a God is all there all you have to do is read it and you will feel compelled to BELIEVE
MrDefender101 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The origin of evolution (from the very start of earth) can be attributed to the chemical reactions that occurred when the planet became stable enough to allow reactions, these were based upon the materials available at the time and could only react with the environment they were in, the actualisation was forced due to limited chemicals to react with, unless i misinterpreted what you wrote.
Anyway, yes why not talk about Jesus, what do you want to start with?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
They also make the concept of the Flying Spaghetti monster more probable, due to the fact there is no credible evidence for the existence of both of those entities, but yes, it does make it more probable, perhaps the start of building a stable foundation, in the same sense as could be applied to the Spaghetti monster.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The objective or science is to learn from the world we live in, that isn't really being debated is it?
Even if something looks designed it can still, even by any stretch of logic attributed to Chance. I'm no Physicist but I assume since everything was 'compacted' into such as small area prior to the bang that there was no part of each of the 1:100,000 million that would be deprived of material.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The concept of God is irrefutable in theory due to their being no physical way to measure it (impossible to completely disprove). I do see it as a possibility, which is why I ask questions and look at evidence presented by both sides, and scrutinise them accordingly. Thus far this statement is falsifiable, due to evolution (or abiogenesis) allowing life to be created by non-living materials and adapting-to its environment.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
The Cosmological argument jumps to the assumption that God is the first cause, so that assumption cannot be scientific.
The Teleological argument also jumps to the same conclusion without justification, and also assumes that the universe is designed, even if this was the case what could have created God or designed him?
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
I missed this bit when reading initially, but you believe in am SUPPRESSING evidence for god when I'm asking you for some..... I seriously hope you aren't that prejudiced against people who believe there is no God., but as requested could you provide some more specific arguments for the existence of God.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
I cant believe someone just mentioned the flying spaghetti monster lol I'm gonna continue to pray and give thanks for this man who exchanged a lie for the truth. To God be the glory forever amen.
JoshSamson316 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Could you tell me more about the Moral and Histroical arguements?
or the others if you would prefer, just that i would like a bit more detail behind your reasoning.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Well thats new, please specify what evidence you refer too, because from my perspective there is the exact opposite situation (ie a complete lack of credible evidence for a God) Please make a point indicating that or specify some evidence
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
Hallelujah!!!! God is Good!
belovedgirltoHim 1 year ago
Your shockofgod! what a shock! well, an admirable story.
savana906 1 year ago
How can you devote your entire belief sytem on one religion?..I've said this before and I'll say it again in which you failed to answer.Christians believe Christianity is your only ticket to enlightenment.Then Catholics say only with Catholicism.Baptist believe only through the Baptist church...How do you know who to believe? And I certainly refuse to believe those of other faiths are destined for eternal damnation without Christ just because they choose another belief sytem other than your own
DAZEOFTHESTONED 1 year ago
@DAZEOFTHESTONED Believers have turned the Word Of God into a book of what they want to believe. They twist words around to make them sound like what they want. If you want to know what God said,what Jesus said about entering Heaven then read the New Testament. I hope you enjoy,I have read it twice already.
mcap52 1 year ago
I made my own videos describing Jesus and some speculation going around the scientific community.
Nusbeganikizinus 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit
Delusions of atheism?
Did I miss something about what I believe in now being categorised as a delusion?
Please explain why you attribute this trait, i am quite curious as to what you base it on.
CNCRoadKill 1 year ago
PRAISE JESUS!!!!!! Thank God for a new brother in Christ! Shock, thank you for sharing this and may God bless you richly.
Sweet92Sue 1 year ago
amazing testimony.
thanks for putting this up
sheikzelda 1 year ago
Great video..Praise God!
ImpurFektFaith 1 year ago
yay
th86stone 1 year ago
so thats how shockofgod looks.
Acuraintegraman1 1 year ago
@Acuraintegraman1 Hey man that's not me, I look more like that guy on revenge of the nerds but not as cool :-)
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod lol noted! god bless you buddy, i subbed to him.
Acuraintegraman1 1 year ago
@shockofgod wat is his channel name?
jagedyshagedy 1 year ago
@jagedyshagedy davemakesawave He's also on my front channel on the left side you'll see his picture there click it and it takes you there
shockofgod 1 year ago
Praise Yahweh! Another man has come to Yahshua Messiah! May he be made righteous through his faith!
JesusxXxLovesxXxYou 1 year ago
@daytradingisahabit yes he has...atheism does cause madness. He is obviously obsessed with unicorns lol
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod how does atheism cause madness? at what point does not having a particular belief cause madness?
rageoftyrael 1 year ago
@rageoftyrael Let me ask you this and I'll show you the madness before your very eyes. What do you claim. 1. God can exist 2. God can't exist or 3. You don't know?
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod i claim 2 things. 1 and 3. what now? though to be completely honest, i don't actually claim god can exist, cause then i'd have to prove it, which i can't. but i'm open to the possibility. mostly 3.
rageoftyrael 1 year ago
@rageoftyrael so you do agree that it's possible God can exist right?
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod certainly. to say otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
rageoftyrael 1 year ago
its a shame i cant thumb up a video like this
Kezazah 1 year ago
@Kezazah yes but since youtube is an atheist mecca the atheists worship their god the thumb down button lol so I love to take what little power they have away from them. Now alas even that is taken away.
shockofgod 1 year ago
@ThePeterlockhart Well mate, I figure your Australian atheism is so lacking in flaws. Tell me, when you're thankful for something really good happening in your life, and there are no humans to really thank, who do you thank, science?
RyDogRidesTheBus 1 year ago
Hallelujah for this man has been saved!!! :D The angels rejoice in the heavens every time someone comes to God! :)
OptimusSmyth 1 year ago
my story is realy simaler
jagedyshagedy 1 year ago
God bless all converts. I'm overjoyed for each of them, and cherish such testimonies.
Faith is a function of an OPEN MIND. And indeed this guy's conversion is complete, as he has awoken to the reality of spiritual warfare.
One of the best videos I've ever watched. ...
MyFriendLeonard1 1 year ago
Jesus makes EVERYTHING glorious. To Him be the Glory amen.
JoshSamson316 1 year ago
Hey how about backing him up also against trolls.
TheStigmadeign 1 year ago
awesome video! atheism is disappearing and that is thanks to Jesus, our Lord.
God bless (^_^)
gerinja 1 year ago
Good for him. God is drawing more and more people to His Word so that He might save them.
brokentwice78 1 year ago