Looking into Charles Hamilton's "Shinin'" ProTools Files

[snowmanmagik]

Wait. Who fucking cares if he sampled the intro from a song...? Charles Hamilton still makes good ass music nevertheless.

[THEAMAZINGVIDEO]

IDK man, he says that young nate's birthday is coming up or something like that and some guy told me it was in december which was before black spade released it. He also was working on this song in 2006, and pink lava lamp was made then. He could of just added black spades samples later on to make the song even doper, but IDK if he really did that. His a beast with samples. Maybe they did the same work??

[QCW]

@GODZILLA1998FILM i took that from his blog, that wasn't my statement....

[Countmontediaz]

@QCW You got it from his blog? That doesn't prove anything.

[Countmontediaz]

@dodgerblue4lyfe Do you really think stealing someone's beat is ok? No it not.

[QCW]

Black Spade is totally lying he says he "produced" the song in 07. Shinin was recorded November 18th 2006. At the end of the song he says, Yung Nate. Nigga your birthday coming up. You aint that young.

Nates birthday was November 23rd

[3dakainsane]

@QCW im on charles's side but what does that have to do with it

[Dalvyn]

lol so he stoled a beat cus he used da same sample? lmaoooooooooooooo ppl are st

[DZA9mm]

haha I saw a COMMENT ON THERE FROM 14KT lol

[WestCoastCyco]

he shouldn't have stole black spade's beat

but then again wtf was black spade planning on doing with the beat?

i never heard of black spade til the whole beat stealing situation.

Charles hamilton still is hella dope tho and can produce good

[bjcworth]

when ur a sampling genius like charles hamilton, you don't have to give credit for the samples...there's no such thing as plagiarism in music.

[Countmontediaz]

@bjcworth Yes it is plagiarism because he stole someone else's work no matter what it's still plagiarism.

[Clownfefe]

Music is music just listen and enjoy who cares if he stole it or not. he still made it his own and changed it and even improved on it. he is Lyrically talented! damn hahahaha don't see why people hate when it's even better

[Countmontediaz]

@Clownfefe Well what do you expect? Of course people are going to care if he stole someone's beats how would you like it if someone stole your work and claim it his own like charles did to black spade you would think the samething.

[Kronix777]

its called sampling retard...its done often in hip hop

[Countmontediaz]

@Kronix777 Sampling? No that's no excuse for stealing someone else's work.

[hapawes1]

Pussy ass charles got decked right in the mouth by his fat bitch of a girlfriend. Look for the video

[pennridgebball42]

charles prolly sampled black spade a lil bit, i dont think he took the entire beat

[deshawnpenrose]

where can i get that session file

[jrbufkin]

the songs dont sound the same at all and i hope that CH doesnt work with him because that guy is garbage and the nigga that made this video must not know what he is talkin about because thats not the intro to BS's song song......

[BLS335533]

"Beef" is over now; news is they are making an album together called "Solitare"

[drealev]

so... why would anyone post a file with evidence that they stole it in an effort to prove they didn't

[fattymac21]

Sucks that dude lied about taking the beat. I actually like 'his version.'

[FunitProduction10]

who cares lol

[ReaperX3ro]

People who respect music?

[FunitProduction10]

i just had an addicitude about this situation its stupid if you aint doin nothin about dont talk about it

[ReaperX3ro]

By talking about it, Black Spade DID something about it. Now loads of people hate Charles Hamilton because of the BULLSHIT he pulled.

It's not stupid, its real, recognizing the fake for what they are.

[JedDeLosSantos]

wait hold up... okay gimmie the song what he took it from and gimmie the song that he used it on

[hapawes1]

Charles hamilton straight stole this beat and even lied to black spade to his face. Thats some shady disrespectful shit. He try's to act so above other mc's with his "deep" rhymes ( whatever ) and has a lack of knowledge & history of hip hop and overall just plain disrespects it! Charles is way way overrated and hopefully more mc's call him out and run him and his sega genesis ass the fuck outta dodge. In fact he is like a hedgehog cuz he turns his back in defense of someone confronting.LOL

[bozio89]

yea u just contradicted urself homie...look at ur first sentence and ur last sentence

if he told black spade to his face doesnt that mean he didnt turn his back on confrontation?

[mindsouljah]

even he didnt give him credit he did

[thaalckie]

all this foo had to do was give Spade his credit and shine for his track. evevryone makes mistakes and at the end of the day ol boy is just trying to make it like CH. the beat is hot, CH didn't fuck up ova the track. beside the fact that Spade had more proof then CH for his so called self made track... most "rappers" would have let the hook breath but this foo sings ove the track and then didnt edit or get someone else to sing the hook. sad thing also is he shouting out producers etc for what..

[daonlyneo]

dumb ass there is no women its black spades voice in different tones watch the video. he sings it deep and hi and puts them together.C h had to do is tell the truth he dumb and obviously dosnt realy make beats. tell charles to remake it he cant and wont try he just a fake.

[vilardi04]

Charles Hamilton, one way or another, took Black Spade's original composition (note its a stereo track and not original source files) and added other elements to it. Now, all in fairness - what most likely happened was Charles was given the Black Spade beat on a CD by a mutual friend or something, and he used the beat thinking it was either that person's beat and they were cool with it, or he thought it was the original break itself (since Spade did re-create it and sing it to mimic the original

[YaBoyJa23]

you said word for word what that FreshSelect n!gga said.

lmfaoo

say it in your own words bruh.

[vilardi04]

lmaoo ik but that summed it up so perfectly so i hadda

[YaBoyJa23]

lol but personally on sum real sh!t even if u hate Charles bruh what do u think like really.. i mean dont u believe file dates over ride any and everything ppl believe?

[vilardi04]

i dont hate charles for 1. im a huge fan of charles i have just about all his mixtapes.

and to tell you the truth, im still really confused about the whole situation.. cause charles does have all those dates.

but supposedly thats not even a sample.. black spade re-created the sample.

idk though..either way i really dont care cause its one song and i like charles either way and the pink lavalamp is a sick mixtape

[BigCatt8]

I hate to interject, but there's a few programs out there that let you edit file dates, namely FileTweek (Windows) and A Better Finder Attributes 4 (Mac).

If Spade didn't produce the beat, how did he get a hold of it to send in to FreshSelects? Also, how'd he get a hold of the individual vocal harmonies, drums, melodies, etc.? Short of having the master tapes, it's not from Frankie Beverly and Maze.

Make no mistake, I'm not hating on CH. But he's no angel, and he should definitely come clean.

[MakingMovesMajor]

CH stole the beat. Spade's voice is all over it. Plus Spade broke down every sound including his voice in his video. And the fact he has the 08 file makes it looks worse. I love the song, but admit you downloaded it from his Myspace and let's move on.

[paulneedles]

Fuck Charles Hamilton thats some shit that you just don't do, that and lose a youtube battle with soulja boy LMAO.

[skip2dalou]

YaBoyJA23 what are you like 12, SPADE DOESN'T EVEN OWN PRO TOOLS, HE USES MACHINES AND INSTRUMENTS. So all that pro tools and time date bull is for the birds B! It's real producers in the game who can back Spade up cause they were when he made the YEARS AGO, realize Spade never gave a specific date, and CHARLES changed the date he gave in comments THREE TIMES. So open your eyes or fall back, cuz you making your boy look real soft right now. MWSU!

[YaBoyJa23]

what u say doesnt matter.

Legal Terms go over your words AND whoever follows along with this sh!t b...

i'm just saying i dont have to explain anymore...

if Spade doesn't have pro tools he needs to upgrade and step his game up this is 2009 and who doesnt use Machines? duhhh everybody uses Machines to make beats sum ppl use the computer sh!t ...

if Black Spade cant give a date then thats his problem he said he made his sh!t go public in 2007 Charles sh!t went public in 2006!!

"Pink LavaLamp"

[NefTheDamaja]

charlse hamilton has said 3 different dates publicly.

[YaBoyJa23]

and those dates are?

[NefTheDamaja]

Quoting Kenny Fresh himself:

"Meanwhile, CH has said 3 different recording dates publicly:

- First he said it was recorded in 2007 in his first comment on here

- Then he said it was in Nov 2006 cuz it was his homies birthday

- Then the source file says Dec 2006"

[YaBoyJa23]

well i know it was recorded in 06 though no material from Pink LavaLamp was recorded in 07.

but hey its whatever though when it comes to them papers.

Charles made the beat.

even if he re-produced the Black Spade beat.

if Black Spade actually produced it which i personally dont believe. i'll give Spade his props but i mean u shouldnt be sweating this because as a producer honestly i would tag my beats. everybody would known it was his beat from the tag. even though he's still going 2 get credit

[datshowjayduzit]

u should listen to "Revolutionary Bullshit" by black spade .. the drums pattern is the same .. you can hear the process and the feeling is the same ..

[skip2dalou]

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAH! U EXPOSED URSELF! Hats off to Spade for being a real man about it

[YaBoyJa23]

also the Pro Tools Session consisted of the SAME sounds that Black Spade played in his little video saying he made the beat.

smh all he had to do is edit the video and put the sounds in the video when he pushed buttons...

and i see nobody has anything to say about the woman's voice in the Charles Hamilton beat.

[NefTheDamaja]

there was no woman. you are an idiot. it is Black Spade himself singing into the microphone on his MPC. Charles is done. get his dick out your throat. There are no samples on the beat. Charles said there were. did you even look at the pro tools session for yourself?

[YaBoyJa23]

i downloaded the pro-tools session....

u did listen to the song correct?

u hear the woman at the end very well.

now if that is Black Spade lmaoo dat dude is a bitch he sound just like a woman.

why didnt Black Spade prove that was actually singing it and re-do it i mean foreal he sounds bogus....

ay bruh but foreal u getting disrespectful lol

1800-u-mad.

"You are an idiot. get his dick out your throat."

lmfaoo funny guy you.

[NefTheDamaja]

cause charles added to the beat obviously. im not mad. i just cant see how after all of this you still got charles dick lodged in your throat fam.he already lost. im out.

[YaBoyJa23]

when it comes down to legal terms

that is charles hamilton's beat.

when it comes to legal matter Spade cant prove that he made that beat...

his version is a re-made version of charles beat in legal terms meaning i dont care what happen

Charles has proof of files, dates, witnesses, and he cleared the sample of the song which is Maze and Frankie Beverly - Golden Time of Day.

Black Spade aint got sh!t

now i aint come at you like that bruh.

you have no reason to talk like that to me like foreal.

[AllCityUnit]

YaboyJa23 Yoh have no idea what your talking about. All the vocals on that track were done by Black Spade himself using a guitar trigger on a Digitech 2000. He stole the beat fool...plain and simple. Don't let your dick riding impede on the fact that the beat was not Charles' Then like a little bitch "He lied about it!"

[YaBoyJa23]

ur opinion can not justify anything.

ALSO u can NOT change my thoughts

let me think what I think.

u think what YOU think.

so u have a good day sir.

[ReaperX3ro]

Lol, that isn't opinion, its FACT!

[MakingMovesMajor]

In his video he goes through all the different pitches and one is the "woman". Point blank period, you sir are correct.

[YaBoyJa23]

tell black spade to explain the woman on the sample of Charles Hamilton's Shinin' which is his beat dude is a lyin b!tch.

buddy over there cryin and wining

"CHARLES PLEASE JUST GIMME PROPS"

[thedeletist]

That's just the intro you moron. It's the Frankie Beverly sample that Black Spade recreated for the actual beat. Why don't you go rock some pink headphones and leave the music to grown men, son

[NefTheDamaja]

did you watch the other video? thats black spade singing with different effects from it. he explains it all and shows it on his MPC and keyboards. geek down.

[YaBoyJa23]

yeah i watched it and yeah he said he was singing it but did u even hear him sing it? no. he didnt sing it on camera or nothing to prove that was him and i doubt he could make himself sound like the woman on the Shinin sample on Charles' beat.

[NefTheDamaja]

there was no sample! fool im not even gonna argue with you. Black Spade played the melody himself AND shows which sounds he used in the video. sounds that charles scamilton cant produce with FL studio and whatever else he said he had.

[YaBoyJa23]

so if it aint a sample explain the woman on Charles Song.

PLEASe EXPLAIN.

he took those sounds from Charles' Pro Tools Session DUHHH smh.

u would believe anybody.

im not trying to start an argument im just saying how come the song that Charles has made which the files says November 2006 how come my man's black spade come out after it. Black Spade has no proof that he even made that beat he dont even have any witnesses.

[NefTheDamaja]

FOOL. did you even watch THIS video? Black Spades BEAT is in the protools session Charles HIMSELF uploaded. Geek the fuck down.

[YaBoyJa23]

you cant prove that that was even his beat.

i watched this video. and the other one.

and also dont u think that Charles would know what he is talking about...

Black Spade doesnt even know what KEY the beat was in lmfaoo

[vmoney2004]

first of all young charles is a brilliant man he's just a liar look @ the tape i made young blood midi dont lie i wouldnt tell charles the key it was and the keyboard because i thought he would use it against me... chill the fuck out its just comments.. you got a prob with me my ### is 314 495-2923

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[djflipflop]

wack sample? you dont know music,youre 15 years old thats why. tracks stolen,period. give Spade his respect for using his beat.

[nerdsound]

damn that sample is wack anyways xD he has waay better songs than that lol y dont ppl let this go now black spade whover that is lol has all this hype so it kind of blanced out sort more hype for controversy but lol seriously that sample isnt even THAT big of a deal and thats y they created the copyright officesin the government so u protect ur songs -_-but ppl let it go its just a 3 minute non profit mixtape song -_- ppl r blowing ay out of proportion lol xD kind of funni

[zzang2k4]

wait wtf thats the intro to the CH track, the black spade one sounds different....

[djseandoe]

suck duck mc ! no pass liar !!

[esnse]

LMAO! ethered.

[ninjarlou]

hahahahahha!

[punchdouble]

lmao. oops?