Speed Debating?

[TheNinjaFilipino]

I remember last year, when I came into debate class my coach said there were three events: PF, LD, and CX. I saw this and the next day, I jokingly said that I wanted to do Policy (thinking that my school didn't offer this) he said: "so you want to do CX?" I said no right away, this scared me. Ironically, now I do Policy and like it so much better than when I did PF last year.

[Volkner01]

i hate that LD is becoming progressive!

[FilterLuvr]

r. It expands eucation because without spreading, my partner's 1AC would probably be 10 pages long, but with spreading and the ability of others to understanding spreading, we have created a 1AC that is nearly flawless and covers a lot of areas. Also as a 2AC spreading is necessary if the toher team spreads and throws 8-10 off case at you or you will not answer it all. even 2 kritiks can require spreading if you have a multitude of points to cover and refute. so shut up everyone it doesnt matter

[FilterLuvr]

It'd be really cool if people like stopped arguing about what type of debate is better. It's a stupid argument. The reason there are different types of debate is because different people excel at different things so just because you're better at one type of debate doesn't make it any better than others it just means that you are better at that kind of debate. As for spreading, I personally am a policy debater and i think spreading is necessary, it's a good skill and teches you how to think faste

[juke521]

the girl in this video is HOT

[PookySC]

@matthewrocks711 What are you talking about we have a 6minute constructive and 7 minutes (4 and 3) of rebuttals... whether or not people spread in LD is based on how progressive your state is debate wise.

This boy is a terrible spreader too though. He is slow, he breathes too much and the slurring of words shows that he isn't practicing enough.

[available940]

its lincoln douglas debate not legislative debate

[tiggers4ever]

My very first CX debate is in a while. Can anyone tell me what its like. Im so scared

[jazethie]

@tiggers4ever it'll go better than my first debate went. my partner completely bailed at me and i had to give all the aff speeches by myself. it's not as scary as it seems though. it's basically just u, ur partner, and the opposite team and a judge in a classroom with you. there's no need to be scared.

[izzyczzunow]

@tiggers4ever

If it's your first cx then everyone else is probably having one of their first cxes too. Just bs shit and make the other team feel awful. Judges really never listen so just sound like you know what you are talking about. Debate is vicious, confidence is key.

[jjpangify]

how debate changed in the last two yrs..

[InThePeanutGallery]

omg back when people stuck evidence onto paper.... what the fuckkk

[drinkmouse]

Given enough time, if I was able to show you the true nature of the world you'd never be able to debate in the traditional sense again. I've seen the true nature of the world.

[drinkmouse]

Youre trying to affect my thoughts. Stop trying to trick me.

[drinkmouse]

Stop FREAKING SPREADING STOP IT WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO WEIRD

[drinkmouse]

Yo, whats with these people, why are they doing this. They are scaring me. Why ARE THEY TALKING LIKE THIS ITS FREAKING ME OUT, STOP IT STOP FLIPPING THE DAMN PENS. THERES NO EVIDENCE WHY IS THERE TUBS, WHAT IS GOING on WHY THE TUBS? STOP WITH THE TUBS DAMN IT STOP TRYING TO TRICK ME

[drinkmouse]

Spread the word of the Lord. Teach your fellow sinners the error of their ways!

[drinkmouse]

Jesus came down to show us the way. Fighting is not the answer. He was a Shepard who led his flock. He never went around bickering with people. He died for OUR sins. Original sin represents man knowing better than god. If Jesus is God, and he didn't argue to get his point across... then by arguing you are going against God. This led to his Crucifixion. This was his warning to his people. The fact that we fight so much is going to lead to our ultimate destruction.

[drinkmouse]

Bi-partisan politics is a self-defeating concept. Look at the civil war. We're heading straight back into another civil war and policy debate is only making us head there faster. Look at what happened in the 1800s. Countless of our own fought for what they stood for. Why didn't we just sit down and come to a compromise. This is the exact thinking that lead to that conflict.

[drinkmouse]

Policy debate is a self defeating concept. You polarize sides and even if the issue is the wrong thing to do you convince people that it's the right thing to do. Why not spend more time in the solution development stage and less time making dumb arguments that are based on only the evidence that supports your argument. This is a bad thing to do especially when you are making decisions that will affect many people. This whole thing is childish and wasteful and hurtful to our society.

[drinkmouse]

Why do you people talk so funny and abuse your bins so much. Is this some kind of intimidation method? You use your broken cracked bins as makeshift podiums. Does having the most abused bin make you more intimidating to the other team? Does this mean that you have spent more time abusing your bin to make your debate better? I wanna know does a more cracked bin make your debate stronger or weaker? The more you move your bin means the less time you are researching your topic. Am I right or wrong?

[danielking104]

that girl doesn't even have time for her makeup. 

[jcandnp]

Sorry ThinMint, but something can only "promote better debate" if that something is comprehendible. And many of these students' spreading is the opposite of that. It's gibberish, i.e. unless their annunciation is flawless (it never is), the division between critical words in their sentences will be imperceptible, by judges, opponents, everyone. This is not an opinion of mine - it's a fact of the human brain's processing speed. So, at a certain speed, sentences devolve into buzz words only.

[jcandnp]

i agree that debaters are the future....they are the brightest thinkers out there, but i disagree that you can attune your ear to comprehend spreading better. you cannot. speed reading is a waste zzds. when they speak at their fastest, they're doing nothing more than dropping random buzz words to their listening judges, because the syntax of their sentences cannot be fully received... only the buzz words that stand out. this is the shame of debate currently.

[ThinMint1291]

@jcandnp Not true. If you just plant buzz words the whole debate, you'll lose. I did policy debate for four years, and the only way I won rounds was by giving a full story at the end. Sure, when you need to answer 6 off case and several arguments on case, your 2AC will have many buzz words, but if you're doing the same thing in the 2AR, you'll lose. Speed reading promotes better debate - in breadth and depth - b/c there is more to say. More research, more thought. But if done right.

[ajwood755]

Im so tired of people bashing on policy, if you don't like it you dont have to debate it but you better respect all the work that these kids put into it. You policy talents dont leave policy, but policy debaters learn how to research and they know alot more about politics, government and philosophy then the average person. A HS policy debater does as much work as a person getting their major in the subject they are debating. Its proven that kids who learn policy first do better in ld, pf,parli.

[IskurBlast]

@ajwood755

One important point you miss though. I pay for it. I vote for the school board that allows this crap over teaching real speech that might at some time serve you in your life.

[CoIdFront]

@IskurBlast lul at real speech

[IskurBlast]

@CoIdFront

I'm absolutely serious. If you like spreading pay for it yourself. My tax dollars are supposed to be going towards teaching these kids proper speech. Not this crap. If you like it you pay for it.

[ThinMint1291]

@ajwood755 Absolutely true. I debated a kid in his first year. I'm in policy (well, was in HS), and I debated him in policy. He was getting pretty good at policy (though he's from Bronx Science, and it's hard to be as good as Markoff). A few years later, he's winning NDCA in PF one year and being top speaker the next. He's just amazing. =D

[ComicSanMS]

Speed debate is pointless. The point of debate is to persuade. Its insulting to the audience and the judges. Force students to prove their point with evidence. Not with the speed they can spit out words.

Thats a rap competition, not debate.

[Filipinachick7486]

@ComicSanMS we do prove our point with evidence. a shit load of evidence really. Its all about the evidence. and how is it insulting? the judges are people who know policy debate and can follow whats going on, not just random ass people. get your facts straight.

[sha742]

@Filipinachick7486 You do prove the points with evidence, but unfortunately, it stops there. Persuasiveness comes from both the analysis of the facts provided and the delivery of it. The latter is why I see Public Forum as the purest form of debate. My partner and I have lied through our teeth when we spin our opponents' impacts, but we do so with a smile and the right inflection, and that's one of the more useful talents out there. Policy talents don't leave policy debate.

[Filipinachick7486]

@sha742 i guess that's your preference, but i just love the logistics of policy debate and the rush you get.

[bebepopsr]

wow, these are the people who taught me how to debate

[Filipinachick7486]

i <3 highschool policy debate! :)

[TheDarthCassius]

I always though those who like speed-read but in the way that you try to speak during a cold shower.

Blah-blah-blah-emphasis on the gap here-blah-blah-blah.

Not clear at all. And the old dude had no bloody clue to what they were saying.

[Ktg1678]

I thought a @1:26, it said ASS

[redsoxfinatic77]

The way they breath in between words is insane but doesn't seem like its organized, I love congress by the fact that you get to express your view without just spewing words.

[blast127]

People who whine about CX being too fast obviously don't practice enough.

[917893678251]

DARN, I NEED TO DO THE PEN FLIP OR ELSE WE LOOK LIKE NOOBS

[horsegirl68]

@917893678251 ME 2! when my coach told me all debaters did it I thought he was kidding... i guess not

[zepdude13]

legislative debate sucks! Policy all the way yo!

[yangyang3]

@zepdude13 LD doesn't even stand for "legislative debate" DA, LD is Lincoln- Douglas

[TheAxeMan12321]

@zepdude13 no spreading is retarted..

[JadeDragon777]

@zepdude13 LD stands for Lincoln Douglas, not legislative debate...

[6tlong]

Alright i have a question.. i have an LD and my case is.. Secondary education in america should value the fine arts over athletics, what would my value you be?! Some1 plz help

[gjc82071]

Regarding "speed debating". Just like in writing, more doesn't necessarily = better. To be able to convey an opinion, in a way that people can comprehend, but while using as few words as possible; To do that, I believe, takes more intelligence, a much better vocabulary & an over all understanding of language. It is much harder then spitting out as many words as possible in a given time frame. Anybody want to debate that? :-P

I have any idea, speed debating + typing! Typing only, no talking

[htomerif]

@gjc82071 not only does more not equal better, and not only does more equal worse, but its an insult to the policies being debated.

That being said, anyone wanna bet weather or not the speed parts in the video are in fact just drills to get ready for the debate, and not the actual debate itself?

[gjc82071]

@htomerif Agreed. Personally, I have always been a fan of "Spartan wit". Example, while negotiating terms with a Spartan diplomat, Phillip of Macedonia threatened that if Sparta did not submit to his will, that if he captured Sparta, he would systematically burn it to the ground. Allegedly the Spartan replied with a single word. "If".

That kinda says it all! & IMO, THAT kind of logic, saying more with less, takes more intelligence than a long winded statement. You have to pick your words.

[MasterChief096]

This is why I don't do policy debate.

IX all the way.

[philipjayfry]

I guess it's useful for practicing the Major-General's Song.

[Youmightberight]

To call this "Lincoln-Dougless" debate is a travesty. Lincoln and Douglas were about communicating to third parties. They are both rolling over in their graves. This has nothing to do with communication. It's basically a physical contest to see who can move his/her tongue and lips the fastest.

In our state both LD and Policy debate are done in this style. IMHO, it is a travesty and a waste of time and money. The only value is in the research needed to prepare.

[matthewrocks711]

I think it's policy debate. I have LD and nobody talks this fast because we usually have about 20 minutes of speaking time.

[cookiemuenster]

@matthewrocks711 Recently, a majority of the LD circuit has spreaded in round just because people are making a lot of policy-esque arguments. But even with our growing trend of meta-ethics debate, people still have too much to say and too little time to say it in.

[yangyang3]

@matthewrocks711 Policy debate rounds last for 1 and a half hours. LD is 6-3-7-3-4-6-3 time format. Policy is 8-3-8-3-8-3-8-3-5-5-5-5

Get your facts straight, policy people talk fast because they like looking like jerks. The NAACP something champion Peter guy looks like a ****tard spreading.

Don't spread, look cool, go with LD :-)

[johndoe8479]

@matthewrocks711 of course it is lol

[colinag6]

to say this is a physical contest is a travesty because if you watch a debate 6 out of 8 speeches barley use evidence or cards and 4 out of 8 dont use evidence at all so its a contest of the mind

[Bubblesnstuff42]

rockskaterdudeperson......i know how you feel.... : /

[rockskaterdudeperson]

I have to go to a debate tournament tomorrow...and i have no friggin clue what i'm doing.

[philipjayfry]

Maybe it's because I'm from another country, but I don't get it. What's the point of being able to debate in a frenzy? It's like racing to an orgasm. And nobody wants that.

[PhukkOfff]

u know ur a debate geek when... u equate winning a debate to getting laid

[DuelinginRS]

@philipjayfry its to get more arguments in

[TheFallenFilms]

The guy with the longer black hair I a judge now he judged my round at knights joust

[joshtheguitarfreak]

None of these debaters are clear at all. Braces sounds like he is eating peanut butter. And the chick is definitely an ubermensche... not. Nietzsche is pronounced Neechuh.

[colinag6]

braces is pretty decent but the chick was unclear and a dumass

[supermaninhevin]

THIS IS WHY I LOVE DEBATE!

[kittyittycat]

LOL she pronounced it "NEECHEE"

[jboking]

and this is why I do Lincolin-Douglas debate. I still learn about hegemony and other such things, AND I get to actually argue instead of just throwing papers around.

[someonesomewhere2112]

Thats what makes the difference in policy. Actually arguing instead of just reading cards.

[jboking]

Having spent two years as a policy debater before switching to LD I found that teams could win full tournaments by simply having the right cards. They don't have to argue much of anything, they just have to be more prepared. That's perfectly respectable and all, but I liked LD rounds better for the level of quality discussion that occurred in nearly every round.

[Fudgecrumblie1]

I agree. I do enjoy card debate and think its interesting. The abillity to weigh one piece of evidence against another is greatly needed as a lawyer, or even in research.

I guess I just don't understand LD and why its good to debate Util and Criterian

[jboking]

It's because it moves the debate from arguing about cards and which evidence is better than which to arguing about entire ways of thinking.

Also, if you're in LD and are using Util you are...well an idiot.

[TwilightImperal]

@jboking I'm a policy debater and I agree, with the right cards and answers you can easily win.

[3pointersaresimple]

Ok you have your own opinions but your facts aren't straight.

[jboking]

Would you like to correct my facts. What facts did I state that weren't straight. Did I say that policy wasn't a form of debate at all? Or rather did I state that the large majority of policy is cards and preplanned arguments?

[thevizer]

a master storyteller.

[mrmr31993]

1:48 Clara can't say their star K author's name... Nietzche what a misrepresented author in that state tournament.

[policyguy224]

diggin the George Orwell Bumber sticker

[awkwardhawk]

where*

Oops.

[awkwardhawk]

To me, there are three things you can become better at from high school debate: public speaking and communication, research, and arguing. With spreading, the public speaking and communication is eliminated. If you want deeper debates were more complex arguments are raised, just make the debate longer--- but don't take out a major part of what forensics is all about.

Also, from personal experience, I've found that I can defeat a "spreaded" case without doing so myself with good word economy.

[someonesomewhere2112]

Do you run speed K?

[macintologist04]

Mock trial is better for debating because you argue within a very narrow framework of rules, rules which are the same as the Federal Rules of Evidence, so you learn a thing or two about real rules that affect real people.

[macintologist04]

Uh.... speak slower so people can actually understand what you're saying??

[Pyrokanetis]

The other team can go pick up the paper and read it, we read fast to get alot of info out in the time limit.

[macintologist04]

how does that help your public speaking skills? it seems like a complete waste

[Pyrokanetis]

Its not so much public speaking as others forms of debate. We think a good deal faster and go into different levels of debate. Like we can, and very oftenly do, make arguments that increasing alternative energy leads to nuclear wars or complete extinction of the earth. Policy is supposed to be about policy making but it strays a lot, its pretty out there. But its speaking and that all leads to beneficial so its not really a waste. Its more of arguments as opposed to persuasion.

[LDebate]

Interesting enough, I too quit football for debate.

But , my school is primarily LD, not that I'm complaining.

[LDebate]

This is an excellent video, and I agree with what is being said.

Debaters are the future leaders of the world!

[jsymonds3]

@LDebate god help us