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  • Bad approach is more like it...nbd though

  • I've seen worse tbh, Therefore, perfect landing ;)

  • getting to walk away = good landing

  • at least you didnt bounce

  • This illustrates part of the decision process as a pilot-in-command. Sure, to the observer the approach looks bad - I personally would have binned it pretty early on. However the pilot knows that he has the option to go around, and as long as he is happy with the approach - however hairy it may look to anyone not actually at the controls - then he is ok to continue. Just because it's unconventional doesn't make it dangerous. A foul-weather approach can be much more hairy than this!

  • Well it looked a bit scrappy but yes, he walked away from it, ergo, good landing ;) It just goes to show that a good approach is not necessarily a prerequisite for a good landing.

    Just don't let the CFI see the video, hehe....was he watching, btw?

  • @virtualcolditz He was the one holding the camera :)

  • @paulkoan That was the problem...

  • what a view from the cockpit the pilots have. I could watch these videos all day.

  • well , olmost a go araund. drifting fast to the left. to be honost i would done a G.A. if i had more mony.

  • Alittle tight on that turn into short final but not bad.

  • fooket?? nahh, don't think this video deserves a fooket... the aircraft was fine :-)

  • you was to High in the glide slope !!!

  • @brayanh3rnandez I hate it when FSX pilots like you come here shouting their stupid sentences to people who actually flies a real plane

  • @brayanh3rnandez it was clearly a visual and how the hell will he know his glide slope? just keep the comments and go play FSX retard

  • @brayanh3rnandez Glide slope? what glide slope... just anticipate the touchdown point by picking a certain point on the windscreen (typically 1/3 of the way up) and fly towards the anticipated touchdown point.... It was a visual approach. hurpa durp durp...

  • I've done a 'three point' in my day, not so bad. Keep learning, you're doing great.

  • This landing would have been better if the power was left on until touchdown, because when you cut the engine it unsettled the plane

  • I've landed on the nosewheel of a 172...THANKFULLY there was no prop strike...I just damaged the strut seal. You're landing apparently did no damage...so all is well!

  • If I had to vote between you and me, I vote for you!

  • Student pilot or crosswind?

  • a few dozen hours on flight sim can remedy much of that.

  • @Youbian Not really. Landing is the one thing a flight sim CAN'T teach, unless it is full motion.

  • @Roads0 That's why it's a simulator. 

  • If you wann see some shocking landings,go to Bankstown for 30 mins. HEHE

  • Meh its ok. Just flat thats all.

  • Other than being slightly off centerline (which you corrected), this is a pretty good landing. It didn't look as though you pounded the nosewheel at all. Don't be too hard on yourself. :-)

  • Have to agree with JuanchoMan. Looks like a turbulent landing, but safe down.

  • We say, good landing is any landing when you can walk away leaving the plane. If the plane can be used again, it's perfect!

  • It's like my instructor said a good landing is one you can walk way from but a great landing is if u can still takeoff the next day.

  • You lived. That's the important part. Everything else is fluff. I would've augured in. Good job.

  • Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing..

  • Wow....383.833 view

    183 like, 8333 dislike

    = 83

  • Landing wasn't too bad, approach as terrible. I know I've had plenty of them!

  • Ok it was a bit flat, but other than it was great landing, if was safe landing its a good landing, afterall landing is just pointing the nose at the ground and hoping for the best!

  • that was not a bad landing, certainly not a PERFECT landing, but not a bad one either

  • Pretty good landing. Done that myself while practicing high glideslope. My best was 800' AGL on a final. Still landed fine

  • Good landing!

    

  • It's not that bad

  • it's a very good landing for me

  • no biggie. perhaps a touch "high" for short final. 5/10. seen 'wayyy' worse! lol!

  • I've made worse landings than that...

  • eh its not to bad, i had worse, had the prop strike the ground. same situation controller asks for a very short final, inexperienced me having a go, ending up causing the jet behind to circle for 20 mins haha. ok the paperwork afterwards wasnt so fun.

  • Pilot: did i do bad. Captain: not at all we're safe and the planes allright; except my seat it needs a good scrubbing.

  • THIS WAS OBLIOUSLY CAUSED BY ALL THE IMMIGRENTS HIDING IN THE BACK!

  • @X44PRODUCTIONS and inside the gas tank !

  • Videos always seem to make things look worse than they are. Any landing you can use the plane again afterwards, right?

  • it looks like they need a new runway

  • @mileycyrushugefan123 the rwy is ok, the guy needs an instructor.

  • you're alive, planes on the ground and in working condition... not a bad landing at all

  • @JuanchoMan "any landing you can walk away from is a good landing" ehh positive I agree even though it wasn't a textbook landing. Fuck it.

  • @JuanchoMan yes I agree with you, it isn't a bad land

  • @JuanchoMan People who live by that philosophy are bad pilots and don't hold themselves to any good standards. Most likely because you suck at flying

  • @gypsykingg Oh but ill bet you are a awesom pilot,i bow down to you sir. Do you fly an A380 as well??? LOL

  • FSX style of landing xD

  • any landing you walk away from is a good landing

  • To Fucking High.

  • Not so bad.... ,But not perfect.

  • I've seen worse. As my dad always told me when I was training..."make that centerline look like it's right in front of you and don't loose it!" He has to tell that to his co-pilots a lot also :~ Not too bad though...I saw a terrible one in a bonanza a few months ago. I have about 60hrs in an A-36 and you FLY the plane on...this guy just chopped off the power and let it slam onto the runway!

  • @5150dhbiker tell your dad to tell his guy co-pilots to point their "little birdie" on the centerline like there's a pretty girl at the end of it. :) 9 out 10 times those pilots will hit that centerline.

  • hey any landing you can walk away from is a good one. anyone landing you can use the plane again is a great one

  • Definitely a hard one there.

  • Hold that centerline!!! XD

  • too high, too hot, and off centre... however, any landing in which the plane and pilot are safe is a good landing!

  • Landing looked pro to me. Great job.

  • i wouldve come in on a slightly longer approach, a lower and i wouldve flared at the end but anyway nice effort xD

  • BIG DEAL

  • Why do 62 people dislike this video? I can't call it a very skilled landing after all...

  • I know the pilot of this Cesna. He recently died of Schitzophrenia.

  • @SuperApparition Its a Piper you idiot.

  • @SuperApparition Well, you posted this comment a month ago, the poster has also posted replies dating back one month, and stated that he is flying a Piper. I think you are mistaken.

  • flat.... those pa38's can flare quite a bit

  • remember, when you are landing keep the centerline line up with you bowls! haha

  • centerline?

  • 0.22 u were doing OK until some right-coming crosswind fked it up imo

  • Every landing you can walk away from is a good landing. If anyone is able to use the airplane again, it's a great landing.

  • why bad??? at the end, landed safely. not nice, but safe.

  • ya your really not supposed to land on the nose wheel especially in a 185 because u will bend the glare shield

  • @planefreak321 I think he knows that now...especially when the video was posted over 3 years ago...

  • ya your really not supposed to land on the nose wheel especially in a 185 because u will bend the glareshield

  • Yep. U need flight sims

  • mm,,.. me to, I would like go around, ... I never touch and go fast!

  • I would have aborted @ 14 sec personally... I only fly sims though :P

  • omg.. at one point I thought that  you were going straight for the grass!

  • wow, that's exactly how i flew in flight simulator when i was 12

  • horrible landing

  • i had an identical landing to that one on tues. but i was in a 172

  • I've done worse

  • this is so rubbish

  • crosswind perhaps?

  • hahahaha gotta love the pa38-112..... I think you were a bit fast... didn't flare enough. usually the stall horn is on for a good landing in the tommy. Dont worry though ive definitely had my fair share in 'interesting' landings!

  • wrong tittle it wasn"t as bad

  • haha you take criticism well. Thanks for posting too!

  • How much costs pilot courses??

  • That looked like it could've been a centerline landing. I suspect there might have been a crosswind, because when you were at the right-bank angle on final, it seemed like the airplane didn't turn right, more like the other direction. So there might have been a crosswind from the right. I'm not a trainee, or an instructor, or a pilot or anything, I'm just saying what I know and what I think :) But I personally I think the landing was fine. Well done!

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  • Not that bad of a landing.

    Mislabeled.

  • Not that bad. Just remember good landings come from good finals, good finals come from good bases and bases from good low key high key circuits.

  • Not THAT bad really. I couldn't tell if it was the angle but it looked like you slipped to get down quick and just got stuck with too much airspeed over the runway. A little flair and you'd have been fine, long...but fine. I take a lot of pride in my landings but in all honesty I'd have to admit I've had a few that were much worse than that. Keep flying and thanks for posting a bad one!

  • Throttle-up and go around.

  • how many hours did you have when you took this video?? im learning to fly myself and im trying to gauge how good/bad im doing lol

  • @korrdavl

    Everyone has bad landings, The worst landing I ever had was on a Continental airlines flight - Even 10,000 hour pilots have bad landings!

    Just listen to your instructor, and ask him how well he thinks you are progressing.

  • Paulkoan

    Am sure u have moved on and now make main gear touch downs - some questions the pattern seemed irregular wiht base leg to close to the threshold - were you avoiding something?

    It also appears you had too much workload - steep descent, unstabilized approach

  • @CaptBesweri Yes, there was a jet coming in and the tower requested a short final

  • @paulkoan

    You did well given the circumstances having faster traffic behind you can be a demanding experience though u had the right of way,

  • @paulkoan As PIC, you can always reject short final approaches by saying "unable to comply". Actually, you didn't do too bad if that was one of your first short finals.

  • @paulkoan can always decline...controller is never the final authority...not tryin to be a dick, i'm sure you know that you can tell him otherwise..

  • @JonPurdue7 Yeah, knowing you can do it and doing are two different things when you are inexperienced - everyone else appears to have more authority when in fact it is the opposite.

    But I was learning of course - I wanted to have a go!

  • @paulkoan Looks like you were coming in hot and didnt want to flare because you would have ballooned. My airport is always asking for weird stuff and this is really common. IE: you have traffic six miles out, your choice to keep it tight with minimal time on the runway or extend downwind.

    Also looks like you had power in, whenever I get this request the power goes idle slow down and add full flaps. Make a continuous turn to final (like the fighter jets coming off the perch) and it should work

  • @CaptBesweri -- Doesn't see so far to me. I only have one rule of thumb for pattern distances. HOW FAR CAN I GLIDE. If you're in the pattern at pattern alt and your engine fails will you be landing in the dirt or on the field?

  • @brpark72

    sure its all about Aeronuatical decision making to ensure flight saftey, i typically have the airfield about 3/4 way up the wing support beam on a C172 during the downwind leg, and have been able to glide to the air strip in simulated engine failures on the down wind leg, This works out to be at most 1 NM a way from the rwy during finals wiht the plane at 500ft AGL and doing about 65Kts before applying flaps in favourable wind conditions

  • @CaptBesweri Thats not that short of a base leg. I do that in my Arrow easily.

  • That wasn't so terrible. Seemed more like a 3-pt than landing on the nosewheel. I've 3 pointed a few times. You just have to flare and stay lined up w/the centerline. And fly the plane all the way down. When I learned I'd quit flying the plane and just let it come down. And I'd always be off! lol

  • ouch, whats the speed here at the time of lineup?

  • Ya know I see a few videos on here of instructors teaching students to make a super tight pattern for an inexperienced pilot. It all started when you didn't have much time to get lined up on the runway. It also looked like you weren't at the appropriate speed either. Though I realize this was 3 years ago, I wouldve asked to make a bit wider pattern until you learn. You did a great job though!

  • @novsierra No point in instilling bad habits with a wide pattern. That said, it generally doesn't need to phenominally tight either.

    The problem I see is that speed wasn't properly controlled (too fast) on the approach, hence the flat attitude on the initial touchdown. Get the speed set properly, and it really won't make a difference if you do an approach starting 2 miles back versus turning 1/2 mile final.

  • you got her down, all is well, really not that bad. And coming from someone who has done all of his training at a class C airport, you aren't gonna piss anyone off if you go around, in fact, go arounds should be practiced, even if you're landing the plane very well every time. of course if you are asked to land and hold on the runway you should do everything in your power to do so, even if that means adding power and "relanding" her if you have too.

  • you got her down, all is well, really not that bad. And coming from someone who has done all of his training at a class C airport, you aren't gonna piss anyone off if you go around, in fact, go arounds should be practiced, even if you're landing the plane very well every time. of course if you are asked to land and hold on the runway you should do everything in your power to do so, even if that means adding power and "relanding" her if you have too.

  • You suck. 

  • I think you did just fine. Any landing you can walk away from......

  • pull power back to idle when you are high like that and slip the plane if needed.

  • Crosswind coming from the right?

  • not too bad...

  • I could do better in FSX. Great vid anyway.

  • @PilotGleb yeah, except this is real life dude, not FSX

  • there are three things a pilot has to do to do a good landing. unfortunately, nobody knows what they are.

  • @saboter123 I'm assuming you mean keep power on until you reach the piano keys, keep your eyes down the end of the runway and hold off the flare for a bit before touchdown..unless your doing a glide approach.. or so I have been told

  • Wasn't that bad after all.

  • give the guy a break, i am sure all ye good pilots never had a bad landing!!!!!!right.

  • firts over shot ,them under shot,runway is infinite long ,however it end up good

  • is not bad

  • Jesus Christ, how could you not know you must land on the read wheels?

  • ok where exactly is the bad part ?????????

  • Congratulations, you just qualified for the Japanese Imperial Navy's carrier squadron! Just kidding...that was actually rather fun looking! At least the YouTube boys didn't show the annoying vuvuzela/soccerball icon on your video, consider that a compliment!

  • With that amount of runway for such a small aircraft could you not have taken a little bit longer before putting it on the tarmac?

  • Landing wasn't bad - approach was truly awful though...not lined up with the extended centreline etc. We've all been there.

  • yeah, I wouldn't have filmed that if I were you, the point is to try and show off lol.

  • I've had worse than that and so will you. Nothing much wrong with that landing. Safe flying buddy :)

  • wasnt that bad

  • Looks like me in fsx!!!! i prefer to fly real its a more fun and easyer

  • Are women allowed fly planes?

  • Take offs are easy....landings.... hmmm ... not so much. I am a student pilot and I too struggle a bit with my landings... you walked away...plane wasn't damaged... I would say that was a good landing. Keep practicing and they will get better.

  • heres a thought, stop filming and drive the plane! JEEZ DO YOU WANT TO DIE?

  • is a cesna??

  • @soldiertewi Tomahawk

  • @paulkoan is that smart air's plane ?

    and if so is that AYD or BNT

    i did 10 hours in those plane before switching over to helicopters at bright helicopters

  • @marsteriq Yeah it was BNT

    Helicopters eh?! Nice. I had a short (15 min) intro into helicopters a long while back, and just trying to keep the thing upright was hard enough

  • in aviation i've learned 2 things

    a bad approach ends with a bad landing...

    and the 7tips of "fly safety org." of an stablished approach.

  • Didn't seem too bad to me :P I'm an instructor, I've seen worse :D

    Always difficult to judge a landing from a hand held camera in the cockpit though.

    At least you know what went wrong and the causes. You learn next to nothing doing things correctly.

  • @makka32 Whats the worst youve ever got ? =p

  • @sinkingrob11 Well, with students you get all sorts of landings. Let's just say, since I started as an instructor, I have a new found respect for the strength of aircraft undercarriage.

    I remember a few landings in particular, I was expecting to see the oleos punched clean through the top of the wing :P They sure can take a beating those little warriors.

  • thats wasnt bad at all. good landing

  • was there hard wind or was the pilot drunken :D

  • Rock on Albury!

  • ...a landing without any resultant casualties (besides dignity) is a bloody good landing! Commended my friend ;) But a little practice couldn't hurt...

  • too fast, too high and too damn eager to get it onto the runway. When in doubt go around - what would an airline captain do?

  • This must be how you get a good landing on MS flight sim as every thinks it's good, It is a below average landing, even the pilot thinks so.

  • that was not a bad landing......that WAS bad camera work! but not a bad landing.

  • You idiot, he hit the ground with the nose wheel first...pay attention, kid.

  • there was nothing wrong with that you dipstick!

  • what the fk u talking about....that was fine..

  • I can't pin a decent landing on a flight sim...yet I can manage a half decent landing in LSA or as we call them here in Canada Advanced ultralights, my first few were bumpy but since i walked away from them i figured they were decent.

  • that's the spirit ,aply for air france now

  • I suspect that you are actually a very good pilot and feel that this is a bad landing because you normally grease it. Tight approach but not usual a little bit of a bump but always difficult to tell on a video. Did you land on the nose wheel? Flight sims cannot model the characteristics of landing a light aircraft so I would disregard any comment from how they always do better. They are ok to practice intrument flying and navigation but not much else.

  • Every landing that doesn' t damage a plane is a good landing!

    Here we could talk of if he could pass a checkride like this, but in other aspects, it's not anywhere bad at all. Actually I had flown even worse-ones taking the wrong base leg for approach during light to moderate crosswind.

  • It was not a "bad landing".

    It was not perfectly centered but it ain't a wrong maneuver.

  • I dont even dare to land in flight sim like that!

  • Thats cause flight sim isn't like that. You make a mistake in flight sim and theres a reset button, you make a mistake in real life and lives are at risk.

  • I'd be going around at about 0:12

  • I think its auite a good one, nice touchdown!

  • key is

    Good Approach = Good Landing

    your approach was less than stellar. Need to hold that center line A LOT better. Also shift your focus to the treeline at about 40' and then your flare will get better.

    Practice makes perfect.

  • i never land a plane in real world only simutor and they are worst so good job

  • mnb,kj

  • who are you to say that you show me better and then you can say that