The debate is more complex than this. I mean, it would be just as bad to force certain ethnicities to NOT wear Nike shoes and Coca-cola shirts, as it would be to force them to do so. The key is in the choice. If people want to live in a culture with copy-right laws, let them do so. If people don't want to, then don't force them to do so anyway.
This ofcourse touches on the problem of how much dictatorship of the majority is in any so called democratic vote. Also a tough nut to handle...
All cultures change, it's not really something revelating to say that we can't kill the technology. But just because stuff changes, doesn't mean we should make other people change in a certain direction.
Compare for instance, some people say that everyone on the earth is eventually going to wear Coca-cola shirts and Nike shoes, but that doesn't mean we should force people to wear these things.
I'm a media and communication theory student at university who also studies cultural theory, and the corporates defying the motions of the past in allowing a balance between creativity and ownership is just insanity.
Of course, there is something to be said for wanting to protect your personal property, but there should never be a trade-off where you have to suspend your liberty to create, or your creativity, in lieu of having to hand over money to do so. Supressing that seems illegal to me.
@1thinkexist1 So, almost every love story where the family hates the guy and the other family hates the lady should be banned cuz it resembles Romeo and Juliet?
are all road movies illegal cuz the take from th hero's journey like the Oissey? Match Point is stealing off Crime and Punishment? Nothing is original 100%...everything's a remix....arent TV ADS like the biggest cultural remix ever? oh, wait...TV ads give money to the enterprises...thats what make it legal.
@revoluchon I think you've totally missed my point, dude. I was stating that the re-use of cultural memes in successive generations allows creativity and small amounts of renovation. Supressing that is denying the future generations their own voice.
Just because someone creates something artistic, does not mean that they did not work hard to create it. Lets say your martyr Girl Talk works at his engineering job all day writing reports and doing studies. I go on to his computer and take the work he completed that week and give it to his boss...... for free. Then when girl talk gives his work to his boss, well, he already has it, why is he going to pay for it. Sorry girl talk, you go hungry. Its the same thing.
@sidecvideo, that would be plaigarism, which is fraud. Girl Talk isn't claiming he was the one who created the original samples. The boss would still pay girl talk and not you, because girl talk was the one who originally made it. Your argument is invalid.
The 'hip dancing kids who just wanna have fun versus the angry corporate 'suits' who want to stop them' is a story as old as time. Teenagers need a struggle with authority I guess but its just a shame we cant find something a bit more honest. Most of what this film is saying is exaggerated propaganda. No one is stopping anyone from expressing their creativity. Its just is a desperate attempt to give 'meat' to the remix/mashup genre which by its very nature completely lacks any of its own.
Lars Ulrich is such an asshole. He completely backstabs everything that made Metallica big in the tapetrading days. As soon as he smells money, he wants to have it.
@xboxdragondude 1. approximately 60% of DLs are from P2P. 2. Labels fund tours to promote the album, not the other way. Record labels not under 360 deal dont make money off performances. 3. The very heart and soul of this film is that EVERYONE remixes. As Picasso stated everyone copies from someone else. If your religious, are we all pirates for remixing the world around us an alleged God created? It's not about the material that is being used, but the message and idea behind, how we express it.
@xboxdragondude I dont make money off my music, yet I continue to do so and love it. Music is an art, its about expressing ideas and connecting with the world. Would I love money for my work, shyt sure ofc. But to say I cant do what I love cuz i dont make money from it is completely wrong. BTW artists make their money vastly from merch and performances, hence record labels turn to 360 deals.
I totally agree with the manifesto, but I also agree that the Girl Talk is breaking the law if he's producing CDs that remixes from other recordings.
You cannot own an idea, but you can own the execution of that idea. The story of a mesiah in the desert can be written by anyone, but rewriting Dune isn't legal.
One of the biggest issues are ideas vs. execution.
Prior to their law suit I bought all their albums. Once they and other artist started sueing these kids. I have not bought a sing album from artist that sue these kids. Haha have of them stole the beats that they themselves claim to be their own. Matter of fact does metallica still sing.
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Pastor Don Smith is not a man of God.
He's a 'man of fraud' turning a blind eye to his kids or his kids friends stealing other people's work through his family's computer. He mentions that he's a pastor to get people to excuse him for his part in cheating others out of receiving compensation for their work.
The "Promise never to do it again." part makes me laugh so hard.
TheQuiZNoKid 1 month ago
i wonder if they dropped the charges on that preacher man
johnson1095 1 month ago
i wonder what would happen if everybody just decided to remix copyrighted music all at once
johnson1095 1 month ago
Metallica Ripped most of there stuff from King Diamond....Spoiled boy Lars...
pimpleneck79 4 months ago 3
as a fellow "Mash-Up" artist, FUCK copyright! thanks 4 this doco bro. U tha Man!
CausticCreations 5 months ago
Technology giveth, technology taketh away.
fancyfishfilms 7 months ago
Lars is a fucktard.
Fuck you Metallica. I never liked you.
1BrknHrtdRomeo 8 months ago
finally, a video with 0 dislikes!!!
14wasp 9 months ago
lars ulrich is a farkin toool. Go die. Shit drummer too
gmaccy313 9 months ago
RIP the public domain in New Zealand. The Old powers are winning.
viperchris34 9 months ago
4:43 is the best segment of the movie
TkMis 9 months ago
Does anybody have the instrumental version of the Stranger in Moscow (Mac edition) That is playing between 0:00 - 1:00
TheLeeLife 10 months ago
anyone know what is that song at 5:59?
Lanfeust777 10 months ago
@Lanfeust777 hey did u find out the name of that song bro i am desperate its so soothing
nufcfanatic 4 months ago
The debate is more complex than this. I mean, it would be just as bad to force certain ethnicities to NOT wear Nike shoes and Coca-cola shirts, as it would be to force them to do so. The key is in the choice. If people want to live in a culture with copy-right laws, let them do so. If people don't want to, then don't force them to do so anyway.
This ofcourse touches on the problem of how much dictatorship of the majority is in any so called democratic vote. Also a tough nut to handle...
yidaki53 10 months ago
All cultures change, it's not really something revelating to say that we can't kill the technology. But just because stuff changes, doesn't mean we should make other people change in a certain direction.
Compare for instance, some people say that everyone on the earth is eventually going to wear Coca-cola shirts and Nike shoes, but that doesn't mean we should force people to wear these things.
yidaki53 10 months ago
long live napster, without it p2p wont be what is now...
quartelanimation 11 months ago
long live napster, without it p2p wont be what is now...
quartelanimation 11 months ago
kill all the napsters! lars ulrich for emperor of the world!!!!!!!
Vrschrk 1 year ago
i always thought mettalica had cool music but seeing that dude ....
silvann1 1 year ago
This is a clear example of how the usa claims to be the land of freedom, but just takes the freedom of people away.
HCkevin 1 year ago
mettalica ziks da duk
wildstrawberriez 1 year ago
what is the song the asian guy is singing at 5:59???
moxmister2006 1 year ago 2
@moxmister2006 yeah, i dug it too.
kingjaythree 1 year ago
Metallica suck shit.
ignoranttwat 1 year ago
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revoluchon 1 year ago
I'm a media and communication theory student at university who also studies cultural theory, and the corporates defying the motions of the past in allowing a balance between creativity and ownership is just insanity.
Of course, there is something to be said for wanting to protect your personal property, but there should never be a trade-off where you have to suspend your liberty to create, or your creativity, in lieu of having to hand over money to do so. Supressing that seems illegal to me.
1thinkexist1 1 year ago
@1thinkexist1 So, almost every love story where the family hates the guy and the other family hates the lady should be banned cuz it resembles Romeo and Juliet?
are all road movies illegal cuz the take from th hero's journey like the Oissey? Match Point is stealing off Crime and Punishment? Nothing is original 100%...everything's a remix....arent TV ADS like the biggest cultural remix ever? oh, wait...TV ads give money to the enterprises...thats what make it legal.
revoluchon 1 year ago
@revoluchon I think you've totally missed my point, dude. I was stating that the re-use of cultural memes in successive generations allows creativity and small amounts of renovation. Supressing that is denying the future generations their own voice.
1thinkexist1 1 year ago
@1thinkexist1 ...hmm, I though I was acually agreeing with you...
revoluchon 1 year ago
Lessig is one of the most engaging speakers of our time.. he innovated engaging presentations utilizing multimedia. He made powerpoint interesting.
silvermediastudio 1 year ago
Chuck D for president 2012!
Monk3ySee 1 year ago
Just because someone creates something artistic, does not mean that they did not work hard to create it. Lets say your martyr Girl Talk works at his engineering job all day writing reports and doing studies. I go on to his computer and take the work he completed that week and give it to his boss...... for free. Then when girl talk gives his work to his boss, well, he already has it, why is he going to pay for it. Sorry girl talk, you go hungry. Its the same thing.
sidecvideo 1 year ago
@sidecvideo, that would be plaigarism, which is fraud. Girl Talk isn't claiming he was the one who created the original samples. The boss would still pay girl talk and not you, because girl talk was the one who originally made it. Your argument is invalid.
xved2052 1 year ago
what if you masterbate while downloading music? is that bad? maybe that's why my keyboard is growing hair
randyj420 1 year ago
it's funny how they use a punk song. IRONY
reviewitorhateit 2 years ago
why is that funny?
shotone 1 year ago
cause punk is kind of against big companies who create bullshit laws so they can make more and more money
reviewitorhateit 1 year ago
the song was by green day nothing against bullshit laws or companies GREEN DAY BIG SELLOUT punk bands of all time
DEFENDERROBO 1 year ago
@DEFENDERROBO not even punk buddy.
Homemad3 1 year ago
The 'hip dancing kids who just wanna have fun versus the angry corporate 'suits' who want to stop them' is a story as old as time. Teenagers need a struggle with authority I guess but its just a shame we cant find something a bit more honest. Most of what this film is saying is exaggerated propaganda. No one is stopping anyone from expressing their creativity. Its just is a desperate attempt to give 'meat' to the remix/mashup genre which by its very nature completely lacks any of its own.
Hufflewaffle 2 years ago
@Hufflewaffle Troll.
dragonhowler 1 year ago
sheep
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
I hope someone remixes your family.
dragonhowler 1 year ago
lol
so do I!
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Lars Ulrich is such an asshole. He completely backstabs everything that made Metallica big in the tapetrading days. As soon as he smells money, he wants to have it.
Agentbromsnor 2 years ago
mature is not bucketing sampling into "stealing". mature is not thinking the way lawyers have programmed most to think.
j.
jonmmadison 2 years ago
sorry, i tuned out when you said "steal".
jonmmadison 2 years ago
At 7:38 what song is that?
ImaginationBlue 2 years ago
@xboxdragondude 1. approximately 60% of DLs are from P2P. 2. Labels fund tours to promote the album, not the other way. Record labels not under 360 deal dont make money off performances. 3. The very heart and soul of this film is that EVERYONE remixes. As Picasso stated everyone copies from someone else. If your religious, are we all pirates for remixing the world around us an alleged God created? It's not about the material that is being used, but the message and idea behind, how we express it.
burneden 2 years ago 2
@xboxdragondude I dont make money off my music, yet I continue to do so and love it. Music is an art, its about expressing ideas and connecting with the world. Would I love money for my work, shyt sure ofc. But to say I cant do what I love cuz i dont make money from it is completely wrong. BTW artists make their money vastly from merch and performances, hence record labels turn to 360 deals.
burneden 2 years ago
they cant sue all of us. if they did then none of us would have money for them to make.
defect530 2 years ago
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yomfndaddy 2 years ago
I totally agree with the manifesto, but I also agree that the Girl Talk is breaking the law if he's producing CDs that remixes from other recordings.
You cannot own an idea, but you can own the execution of that idea. The story of a mesiah in the desert can be written by anyone, but rewriting Dune isn't legal.
One of the biggest issues are ideas vs. execution.
Ideas cannot be own, but executions can be.
HegemonyKricket 2 years ago
I don't masterbate.
I also don't download music.
..
rofl.
ThatOneHxCKid 2 years ago 3
Prior to their law suit I bought all their albums. Once they and other artist started sueing these kids. I have not bought a sing album from artist that sue these kids. Haha have of them stole the beats that they themselves claim to be their own. Matter of fact does metallica still sing.
storm4uar 2 years ago
Lars (from Metallica) sucks.
JaikeKun 2 years ago 4
word.
FredrichNietzsche25 2 years ago
go chuck d!
sampology 2 years ago 3
Lars is a doucher
rip napster
creamypotatoe 2 years ago 46
i know i hate him. good thing there's Chuck D
reviewitorhateit 2 years ago 4
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revoluchon 1 year ago
@creamypotatoe metallic sucks how the doucher got so rich from his shit music is beyond me.
Docthal010 9 months ago
Prime example of why Lars (from Metallica) sucks.
Innacut 2 years ago 7
also Prime example of why Chuck D (Public Enemy) is a legend
bboyseph 2 years ago 41
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Pastor Don Smith is not a man of God.
He's a 'man of fraud' turning a blind eye to his kids or his kids friends stealing other people's work through his family's computer. He mentions that he's a pastor to get people to excuse him for his part in cheating others out of receiving compensation for their work.
He's a coward and a parasite.
westeightyone 2 years ago
So I'm assuming you've never broken the rules, then? Practice what you preach, dude.
TokajiHiro 2 years ago
fuck yo couch please!
elpinta 2 years ago