LOST: young MiB sees his real mother [6x15-Across the Sea]

[videogamer4life360]

"I wanna show you something" show me what? "Where you came from" Did anyone else think she meant her vagina?

[MMMCVIDEO]

I have a theory that watching this video here made me think of:

In this scene, MIB's true mother (if that who she really was there) was tempting him into going to see the people, just like Flocke was tempting Sayid and Claire into doing his bidding. So what if Smokey was being told to do those things and in return, he would be able to leave the island, just like he told Sayid that he would see Shannon again if he killed Dogen?

I think that Smokey was hearing voices in his head

[M4ttM3224]

@MMMCVIDEO Smokey wasn't being told to do anything - he just wanted to leave.

[Damon242]

@MMMCVIDEO I always considered after watching 'The Candidate' and 'Across the Sea', as well as Hurley's journeys throughout the second half of the series, that the dead (Claudia, in particular) were feeding MIB information just as they were Hurley.

And so, MIB's specialness was simply Hurley's ability and him being talked to by the dead.

He had his own agenda, sure, but this ability and his dead-friends (or perhaps only Claudia) helped him complete it.

[houari2009]

is this the smoke monster ?

[houari2009]

@houari2009 No its not, shes not the smoke monster since the mother IS the smoke monster ...

I don't know what she is though, that why I'm looking to know

[M4ttM3224]

@houari2009 'Mother' wasn't Smokey.

[houari2009]

@M4ttM3224 "What" is she then ?

[M4ttM3224]

@houari2009 She was a guardian/protector of the Island.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 It's strongly implied that she is one (a smoke monster), even hinted at in the commentary for the episode by the producers/writers. Notice her agelessness, her dire warnings about what happens if you enter the cave (knowledge through experience?), her amazing capabilities in terms of sealing the well over and destroying the village (parallel that image with the destruction at the temple), consider the way she was killed (stabbed in the chest before even speaking), etc.

[M4ttM3224]

@Damon242 You have to remember though that Jacob was ageless, able to make other people ageless, make rules that can't be broken, leave the Island (possibly teleportation), able to appear as a ghost and as an actual person after his 'death' and so one can assume that he has other powers that can be used for destruction and, as a result, Mother would have had those abilities also.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 lol yes, reading over my comment I was curious as to whether or not you would pick up on my mistaken inclusion of agelessness - oh well.

Leaving the island always confused me. There's no real mystery there, he could have easily one back and forth the same way as anyone else could.

Able to appear as a ghost isn't just a trick only Jacob has, but the ashes thing - well...that was certainly something different.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 I mainly work off of the hints in the episode of Mother's nature, the parallel images, and most of all - the producer's comments in the commentary that draw attention to those perceived-hints.

And of course, most importantly, Mother's knowledge of what occurs if someone steps into that light - and Allison Janney's delivery of that dialogue.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 I'll add one last thing to list, and that is that Jacob's abilities are very passive, especially when compared to the monster - which is just pure force.

Abilities of destruction, while unable to be ruled out entirely, don't necessarily compliment how we witness Jacob, Jack, and Hurley in their respective terms as guardians.

[M4ttM3224]

@Damon242 Because Jacob seemed to know things that hadn't happened yet (where candidates would be at a certain time), it is possible that Guardians are omniscient (all-knowing) and so that could explain how Mother knew so much about the Heart/light.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 A better question; is it possible that, while they were already flawed in various ways, Jacob had actually influenced events in their lives? MIB tells Saywer that for a very long time Jacob had been pushing him, pulling strings as if he were a puppet in order to have him make choices he otherwise might not have made in order for him to be on that island.

Jacob's only reasoning for selecting them were for their flaws, but some he approached as just children.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 Not impossible (can't entirely be ruled out), but I can't help but refer back to Hurley and Jack and the presentation of them as guardians throughout the finale.

[M4ttM3224]

@Damon242 They had only been guardians for a small amount of time so they might not have known how to use their abilities.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 Well, I'll just conclude using the producer's comments on the commentary, the likelihood, the evidence in support that is presented throughout the episode, and whatever else I have mentioned before this. I'll also add Hurley's behaviour in the epilogue.

Like I said before, neither scenario can be entirely ruled out. And I guess that strengthens both our sides.

So to each their own, I guess.

[M4ttM3224]

@Damon242 What do you mean by Hurley's behaviour?

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 Is not reminiscient of an omniscient, all-powerful entity, but exactly as he was in the finale and throughout the series - only with more confidence.

[M4ttM3224]

@Damon242 You do have a point.

[Damon242]

@M4ttM3224 A guardian of the island (a Jacob) who ventured into a place she shouldn't have (what exists underneath the cave structure) and became trapped (became a smoke monster), and after suffering for so long she hatched a scheme to be replaced as guardian, and then as fate would have it she was offered an opportunity to not only be replaced, but killed. Thanking her killer for doing the deed.

That's what mother was, a guardian who suffered the same fate as ol' smokey.

[zaandarbrow]

@houari2009 before he became that

[zaandarbrow]

The Man in Black was The Chosen one to Protect The island but the he went all bad ass so the it became Jacob and His Fake Mother gave him the power after she died :)

[M4ttM3224]

@zaandarbrow Before she died. She gave Jacob the powers and responsibilities and then got killed.

[zaandarbrow]

@M4ttM3224 ya i got some typos in there

[JonnyBach12]

Show you where you came from...... opens her legs... giggity!

[DarthRushy]

I find John Locke even when evil cool.(I know Locke isn't in the scene and he isn't Mibby)

[davestheman83]

Back in the year 10

[taijuanlin]

is it me or do jacob and mib look like young versions of stefan and damon salvatore

[CosmicUndeadElf]

The way that she glows like that makes me think this must be some other version of the smoke monster in the form of their dead mother, only back then the monster (or whatever you wanna call it) was pure, before it become bonded together with the man and black's spirit and infected it with anger and hate.

[ChurchOfMe93]

@CosmicUndeadElf I had a theory that fake "Mother" was leading The Man in Black down this path. That she was a smoke monster that disguised herself as the real mother here. I thought of this because "Mother" thanked MIB when he killed her. How he killed her if she was a monster, you ask? I think since "Mother" wanted to die, she was able to. The Man in Black didn't want to die when he was The Monster.

[CosmicUndeadElf]

@ChurchOfMe93 That's very possible. I think we can be sure that the fake mother could either transform into the smoke monster or was able to summon it the same way Ben did. If she was actually smoke monster at this point and was also the one in control of the island then she could have easily arranged it that she was able to die from a mortal wound.

[M4ttM3224]

@CosmicUndeadElf Don't you think that maybe MiB was the only Smoke Monster? If there was another then it would have to be thousands of years before this scene because there is no trace of it besides Mother's warning. But I've always thought the Island protector is omniscient (all knowing) so she could have known of the consequences and she would probably have some powers that helped her kill MiB 's people.

[CosmicUndeadElf]

@M4ttM3224 Maybe you're right, he was most likely the first human who ever became transformed into the monster, but I think we are supposed to believe that the evil energy he turned into had existed all along.

[M4ttM3224]

@CosmicUndeadElf That's how I interpreted it. This is Lost though.

[CosmicUndeadElf]

I think he is kinda like Parallax from Green Lantern, the energy source already existed but he became an embodiment of that power, he controls it and it's part of him. Jacob explains the island as though it's whole purpose is to stop "the darkness" from escaping, which to me implies that the dark energy what turned his brother evil in the first place.

[M4ttM3224]

@CosmicUndeadElf I haven't seen Green Lantern but it sounds like you're right.

[M4ttM3224]

@ChurchOfMe93 There was no evidence of a Smoke Monster before MiB (the Egyptians that carved the picture came later).

[ChurchOfMe93]

@M4ttM3224 MIB's sunken well and massacred village was my evidence. Jacob was killed easily by Ben even if he was protector, so I just didn't see how one middle aged woman could kill and demolish a village full of able bodied men by herself. Plus MIB's village destroyed looked way too similar to when he himself killed everyone at the Temple. This is also how I account for specific things in the episode that didn't quite jell: random ghost, "thank you" when she gets stabbed. Just my theory,

[M4ttM3224]

@ChurchOfMe93 Don't forget though that Jacob didn't really die when he was stabbed and kicked into the fire - he was a ghost for a while but then he appeared very much alive.

[ChurchOfMe93]

@M4ttM3224 To be a ghost you kinda have to die. I get what you're saying though. Oh yeah, I also think Mother's description of the light and what happens when you go inside it seemed like bittersweet first hand experience. More evidence for my crazy theories on Lost (although I do try to make them somewhat logical).

[M4ttM3224]

@ChurchOfMe93 Don't you think Jacob seemed omniscient (all-knowing) after become the guardian? He recognised MiB, knew the temple others would be killed and also popped up as a kid at the right second to save Alpert. If guardians are omniscient then Mother could have know about 'the light'.

[ChurchOfMe93]

@M4ttM3224 I don't think it was omniscience so much as 2000 years of knowledge and experience. We saw right after he became protector he didn't seem to be any different (didn't see his mom's death coming, or MIB's transformation), which Jack acknowledges when he became protector. He recognized MIB because he appeared as Locke and Jacob knew Locke died. He knew the temple others would be killed because he was a ghost and could have seen what transpired in Sundown. Again, only personal theories.

[M4ttM3224]

@ChurchOfMe93 Jacob probably didn't get the hang of his abilities until a while after he became the guardian. How did he know Locke had died? I think you misunderstood what I meant about the temple others - Jacob said in Lighthouse "I had to get you and Jack as far away from that temple as I possibly could" because "someone's coming there. Someone bad". Jacob got Jack to the lighthouse knew all along what would happen when he got there (he also knew that Hurley would keep his guitar case).

[ChurchOfMe93]

@M4ttM3224 I thought it was just intuition. I don't think he knew the temple others would be killed, but that he wanted Jack and Hurley away because he didn't want to risk MIB getting to them somehow. As to how he knew Locke died: he did go off the Island to persuade Hurley to come back, hard to imagine he didn't find out one of his top candidates was dead. A lot of it is open to interpretation of course, so I can't say if either of us are right.

[M4ttM3224]

@ChurchOfMe93 I suppose you could be right.

[RyanAndRyanPros]

@CosmicUndeadElf

they could've explained it if they made another season...

or a movie.

guess us Losties can only dream huh? Sounds like the perfect explanation to me bro. Good thinking, forreal.

[CosmicUndeadElf]

@RyanAndRyanPros Thanks, I figured that the light hitting Claudia had a meaning but maybe not, could just really be her if the boy had a gift like Hurley's. Not sure if my theory of the smoke monster is correct either but I think basically the man in black's consciousness combined together with the island & the monster was made, but people like myself want to know more, like was he the first one this happened to? Yeah they should make a TV movie to show more of Jacob and Smokey's background.

[snowanjulz]

He is sooooooooooooooooo hot!!

[AmericanActorRyan]

Many people are surprised by me

[DjinnGuru]

I swear, this was the most asinine part of this episode, however this whole episode in general was corny as hell.

I've never seen such a shift from epic backstories redeemed through a miraculous event to silly fairy tales like season 6. Still though, the good side and bad side needed to be switched around in my opinion. I just don't understand the morality in Jacob's, much less his false mother's, murderous actions.

[quietearthMT]

"One day you can make up your own game and everyone will have to follow your rules" (basically the entire series of LOST in one sentence)!

[9189erbear1195]

@quietearthMT hahaha i thought the same thing!! :D

[buffy21033]

he's obviously not very well educated, hence 1:44

[CosmicUndeadElf]

The other needs to work on her tact a little "Hey little boy, I'm dead, come here I wanna show you something" I would be a little freaked :P

[CosmicUndeadElf]

"mother" I meant there

[Lucasvertigo]

Jacob and Samuel are fantastic!

Ryan Hanson Radford is perfect to impersonate Mib

[AmericanActorRyan]

@Lucasvertigo thank you so much

[hawtforhitler]

Delicious shota

[NathanMod]

Claudia is so fit.

[cascade1000]

both of them are just adorable!!! better than justin bieber

[evilmamaluigi]

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