Yes this looks like Goju. I noticed him doing washuki in a clip. Also noted his Mai Geri and jodan uke among other Goju techniques. Good martial art. Ive studied that and jui jitsu for about a year. We do kumite and also self defense which has not as much to do with formal Goju techniques. More a hybrid of the two styles.
Lyota Machita is the truth he is a str8 technician for those of you who dont know a thing about traditional karate, it hard to beat a striker an a real Martial artist, there is just to many people out there who say they know martial arts but dont, thats why there is so much confusion
@BluePittbull666 you obiously dont know anything, george st pierre is a karate man, and so is lyota machiita both ufc champions they mix it with brazilain jiu jitsu, but i have seen Lyota knock people out with a straight punch from the hip from his Karate
@BluePittbull666 I hope that was a joke cause if not you have been fooled into thinking mma is the real deal......ITS NOT....IN A REAL FIGHT THERE IS NOT A CAGE FOR YOU TO USE BULLSHIT GROUND TACTICS
AND NO REF.....Try your mma shit one of these guys for real and lets see the result. REALLY GO AND CHALLENGE THEM IF YOU THINK KARATE IS FOR PUSSIES...LETS SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST LOL
woah, you guys do some good discussion here. I'm a student of Shihan Noss who learned under Oshiro in Kobudo.
I heard alot of things about Oshiro and I thought I'd take a peek. I'm still looking for the video where he hip-swings his Bo staff so hard it breaks in half (lol)
IMO what you're seeing is one defining difference between japanese karate and okinawan karate. a generalized statement. but okinawan karate as a whole is a bit more fluid, more grappling etc...
I ordered the DVD's out of curiosity. The DVD includes English and Spanish subtitles.
Most of the stuff is at a basic level, but well explained. Oshiro moves very well and is fun to watch.
The Goju DVD only goes through Seiunchin because he includes several Shodokan training kata in it.
Saifa and Seiunchin include basic bunkai and a few variations. Gekisais are also included. DVD covers basics, kakie (both types of hand movement), and some ideas on kumite. A section on Sanchin is included.
shito ryu has all/most the kata from goju and shotokan, however these two styles have a different approach to fighting, the movements in goju are fluid with narrow stances, shotokan/shorin ryu have more wider stances and a more linear approach, so according to okinawans(no names mentioned)you cant mix the two from a combative point of view.
thats not entirely true. shito is a combination of naha te, and shuri te. not goju and shorin, and definately not shotokan. mabuni studied with itosu and higashionna. so its really a bit unfair to say its from goju, shorin, or shotokan. you're right, naha, and shuri have different approaches, that doesn't mean one can't learn both. history is full of people who did just that.
your right shito ryu is from shuri and naha te, and the point was raised cause there was a guy there from a shurite school, and the sensei at this particular dojo(no dojo mentioned)advised this guy that he should concentrate on one or the other, cause firstly there are so many kata to learn, shuri and naha kata, that youre missing out on the finer points of the kata, also the conditioning necesary to apply the moves effectively. i personally think this is a valid point.
and that's usually how it's taught in shito ryu. shuri te base for movement and speed, and naha later to add power. at least some "branches" of shito teach that way. if by mixing you mean studying say shorin ryu one day, then goju the next, and back n forth...i'm not so sure that'd be a good idea.
i dont know how its taught in shurite, as ive never practiced it, i was just passing on a goju senseis point of view, i think shito ryu has about 45 kata compared to goju ryus 12/13, then theres the hojo undo, the kakie, makiwara training, the bunkai, also the time taken to become proficient at all these practices, how would you do all this with 45 kata, seems like your becoming more of a dictionary of naha and shuri kata, rather than learning how to actually apply the technique within the kata.
no arguments there, that's exactly why shito never interested me much. but Mabuni sensei is said to have been quite strict about learning the inner meaning of the kata. why they do so many i don't know, its not necessary. then again..kata is not necessary either. using the same logic, one could say why do kata at all? you don't need it.
true, to be an effective fighter, or to be able to defend yourself kata is not required, maybe its to preserve the tradition, maybe its curiosity about katas, theres so much research been done by people like morio higaonna, taira masaji, patrick mccarthy, theres got to be some kind of magisc that keeps people wanting to learn more about kata, to me as an individual i first got interested in goju ryu when i saw morio higaonna in way of the warrior, before that karate looked like a game of tag.
i agree there is something rather fascinating about kata. but most schools that claim to teach real traditional karate don't seem to have a clue about it. one thing i don't like about kata is that it, in a sense builds bad muscle memory. regardless of what bunkai you have for 'chambering' your fist...you do it, each and every time you punch. over time this can lead to you automatically doing so. i've had this happen to me personally and many others i have seen, so i don't do kata personally
i think more than 50 percent of the dojos throughout the world do not know real karate, they teach sport karate. the dojo i trained at in okinawa really opened my eyes to real practical karate training, most the emphasis at this dojo was power generation from a short range, the kata even looked different, it looked effective, not pretty like in tournaments.
i do know what you mean about the muscle memory thing, is this the reason you stopped doing kata, or have you found an alternative way?
you're right, very few schools do any sort of real body conditioning like those crazy goju and uechi guys in okinawa! ironically i think the "ugly" kata are more beautiful than the most pristine shito or ISKA kata imaginable. i don't do kata because it's unnecessary, and there are not uechi or goju schools near me anyway. and because i started with a combative system (kempo jujitsu) and got a yr free taekwondo as a gift from my mother...
then i went back to KJ and got owned largely cuz of all the bad habits i picked up doing all those forms in TKD. id drop my right hand when throwing my jab for instance. or i'd down block which is a practically useless technique in my opinion. it just ingrained alot of bad habits in me..and when it came time to actually fight, even if i won i'd get tagged way too much for my liking. so im more into kempo jujitsu/combat sambo/krav maga type of things now. they get right to the meat and potatoes.
the meat and potatoes approach is very helpful especially today because noone has time or the money (or the inclination) to study 8-10 hrs a day every day...imagine a soccer mom who needs self defense. she may only go to class for 1 hour twice a week. she needs to not waste time doing kata and 1 step sparring and get right down to business.
@kempobrad Kata are the backbone of traditional karate. The reason you don't think so is that you are too young to have trained long enough to put it all together plus you have not stayed focused. Okinawans do not practice kata because it is just a drill, it has relative combative importance. Find a good, provable teacher of Okinawan karate, stick with it and learn through time. Flip flop around and waste your time.
first i never said they weren't. and second don't pretend to know me or anything about me. i have plenty of respect for karate, and kata done properly (which im sure even you will admit is increasingly rare). but the bottom line is they're just a drill...eg..they have combat relevence..but alas..they are not combat itself. kata are teaching tools. and IMO there are faster ways in modern times to achieve your goal, if its simply self defense you seek. didn't say they're useless
@kempobrad Son, I am not pretending a damned thing, it is a fact. When you reach 50 look back and you will see the exact same things I see. At your age you are luck to get out of the rain without getting wet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it all about martial arts and I am an idiot for questioning you so go about your merry way while the few of us study proven arts in proven ways.
everyone has their opinion. and everyone has different experiences. and i'm not your son. and again, you don't know jack shit about me, so don't judge me.
@kempobrad I know it unlikely that you are a serious martial artist. I know your age says volumes and, you are right, you aren't my son, your behavior tells me that.
again, you know jack about me. i'm not serious simply because i don't agree with you? how thick can you get? anyway i'm done with this, i have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. have a nice day
first i never said they weren't. and second don't pretend to know me or anything about me. i have plenty of respect for karate, and kata done properly (which im sure even you will admit is increasingly rare). but the bottom line is they're just a drill...eg..they have combat relevence..but alas..they are not combat itself. kata are teaching tools. and IMO there are faster ways in modern times to achieve your goal, if its simply self defense you seek. didn't say they're useless
@PierceVonBraun39 Thank you and it appears you are already aware of the concept. Some of the folks that make comments imply that there is really a chance to apply karate jutsu in a ring or tournament. There isn't and any attempt to do so ends up with rules etc. True karate can be practiced only in kata or yakosuku kumite just as the originators did. I simply don't know what makes some think they can better the attempts of thousands over centuries but they do. Silly and funny!!!
@PierceVonBraun39 Thank you and it appears you are already aware of the concept. Some of the folks that make comments imply that there is really a chance to apply karate jutsu in a ring or tournament. There isn't and any attempt to do so ends up with rules etc. True karate can be practiced only in kata or yakosuku kumite just as the originators did. I simply don't know what makes some think they can better the attempts of thousands over centuries but they do. Silly and funny!!!
I am a traditional karateka, like you. Why argue with them? I think because in may ways these MMA guys are striking at the truth (like my choice of words, hahaha). Practicing kata alone will not improve one's ability to fight. However, many good mma guys realize that practicing fighting alone will not improve one's chances on the street. These are all games. Some simulate different aspects of self-defense, but all fall short. The key is to see the common thread, and apply.
@IEKUKATAKA I suppose Bruce Lee flip flopped then? Yeah your right, that will get you nowhere. Do repetitions a thousand times a day instead and never branch out from one style. Musashi was a brute as well who couldn't fight traditionally so your right. Had Musashi trained in one area he would have been so much better. Okinawan Karate is awesome, but kata improves very little. Live combat is what matters. Until you learn how to fight, you can't. Bruce was young too. Don't think that mattered.
@bryanzellar Bruce Lee, not sure I understand the comment. Musashi, seems you know a lot about a figure that may, or may not, have been real and lived 400 years ago. Many in Japan believe Musashi to be a folk legend. Kata improves little? Not sure what you mean. Live combat? Not many societies allow it, people get killed and maimed. However, your premise is flawed. The Marine Corps trains just as Okinawans did centuries ago, in near reality scenarios, are they not effective? see 2
@IEKUKATAKA If Musashi wasn't real then how does he have descendants of his style, and who might have killed all of those Swordsmen in his time and what about the book he wrote that I own. I'll agree, technique training is a must but kata? maybe you don't understand what I am speaking of. Practicing a technique over and over is good, dancing is not. And yes you can train real combat just wear proper protection. Have the guy attack you and then practice real reflex.
@bryanzellar I don't know if Musashi was real or not and you do not know you have a book he wrote. Anyone in that time could have written the book of five rings and used his name, maybe his followers if he had any. The issue is 400 years, reliable, documented history etc. It simply is not known for sure in Japan, many doubt it therefore you can not possibly know it. It is a nice legend, I personally want to believe he lived but I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE. Real combat offers little protection.
@IEKUKATAKA Spartans were real right? Sun Tzu what about him? Vikings? Indians? Ninjas? Look there is more evidence today that Musashi lived and he did it by dissecting styles. Just like Bruce Lee. Are you going to say Bruce didn't exist either? or are you going to say he was a lousy martial artist?
@bryanzellar You are straining at a gnat. I did not say he did not live, I said THE NATIVES OF HIS HOME LAND ARE DIVIDED ABOUT IT, some do not believe so and you can not possibly know so, it is simple logic. A good martial artist? I have quite a different perspective on that. The west judges that in terms of physical dexterity, flashy athleticism, strong dynamics etc. A good martial artist is a person that has studied a martial art in earnest and has made it a point to be prepared.
@IEKUKATAKA I don't care what the west thinks or what the east thinks. In my opinion, you are a good martial artist if you can walk away with your life when someone threatens it. For me, I'm not out for perfection I am out for protection. I'll agree though, the west is all about what looks good and what sells. It tarnishes all that is martial arts. The spirituality from them are all but lost in the West. And I think the Natives are divided out of hate for Musashi. He had that effect. haha
@bryanzellar "you are a good martial artist if you can walk away with your life when someone threatens it." Your words and the EXACT PHILOSOPHY of Okinawan karate. No one hates Musashi in Japan, some are just realists in that there is not enough supporting information for them. He is taught in their schools and is their "sword saint." What you know about him is what you have read and what you have read may be corrupted, it is the nature of man.
@IEKUKATAKA Yeah I know, but I'm going to keep saying he was really as amazing as the legend states because I am a huge fan. :) Besides, he of all people, should have existed. There is a lot to learn from his Myth that can better human beings. And my views are similar to Okinawan because my Sensei taught me well. He has been around the world and he knows his shit. Okinawan karate is not; when the kids are done, let's go get pizza; Karate. lol. Okinawan Karate is the real deal and I respect that.
@IEKUKATAKA I heavily doubt that you have herd of him although he is very respected and wise. He is American, his name is Barry Bernsten. He is the only man that I have met in person and viewed as the "real deal" when it comes to Karate. A lot of phoneys out there.
@bryanzellar Kata were a mnemonic tool, never meant to replace combat, yakusoku kumite did that. The kata stored information and provided a base for expanding the information in the form of varied bunkai. The bunkai of all traditional kata were of realistic combative scenarios that were internalized as empirical information. That type of information in the form of repeated training allows near instant recall when similar situations arise. You are young, you have a lot to learn about this.
@IEKUKATAKA That was a fantastic explanation. Really, I have never heard someone put it that way. Yeah you are right with that one. The only problem I have with it is, what if the technique that you have as reflex now fails? It is a reaction that if fails, can put you in a very dangerous disadvantage point. You should always practice different scenarios and exit strategies live. Otherwise all of that muscle memory will end you instead of protect you
@bryanzellar Yakusoku kumite IS live and it can take any form you like. The more accurate in terms of combat behavior the better. There are certain known categories of attack, the Okinawans knew what they were and trained for them. However, your question begs for perfection and there is none. The answer to your question is that you get defeated. Preparation is the key, realism is the focus, training is the means, attitude and spirit are the driving force. All are in Okinawan karate.
@IEKUKATAKA Well it's good to see you agree with me. lol Yes Kumite is awesome. It helps build technique, limits injury, and gives you live combat feelings. what I have to disagree with is where you say; preparation, focus,attitude, and spirit are all in Okinawn Karate. That is false. They are withing the individual using the style, they are not in the style itself because man is living and always growing and evolving. a style remains a style nothing more. You use it not the other way around.
@bryanzellar All I can say to you is this: I have been studying this process much longer than you have been around. The key is STUDYING, that means independent action, intelligent observation and deduction, empirical conclusions etc. I believe I know the nature of karate better than a 24 year old simply because I have made it a life priority to do so. What I said is true in the spirit of Okinawan karate, you can believe as you see fit. Ijo!! Got to go train.
@IEKUKATAKA You are right again but hear me out. You are phenomenal, you. The style is what defines you but it is not what controls you. You are the one doing the kicks, punches, throws. Not the style. The style is letters and words. The human being using it is what is special and unique. Someone using Tae Kwon Do can feel the same as you do without ever learning Karate. It's never been about a better style, just better techniques. I respect you though I am young, and thank you for the time.
@bryanzellar My emphasis on Okinawan karate is that it is the true karate, they developed it since about 950 AD it appears, not absolutely sure. I focus on their approach because it is historically authentic and very well thought out. Style is a new phenomenon, maybe around 1930 it was coined. Miyagi Chojun did not pass down a style, he passed down his ideas that were not meant to be divisive. I train now in ko ryu ho karate jutsu, the old methods of combat, about 27 years ago I refocused.
@JESUSISGREATEST I have no idea what gave you that thought, but, Jujitsu was the hand to hand method of the Samurai as I understand and Gongfu is a Chinese art that is similar in some ways to karate. If you are speaking of Brazilian Jujitsu, that is a new and altered fighting form and really, because it has been significantly altered, is not true jujitsu.
@IEKUKATAKA Then exactly where do real Karate come from? I've heard that it came from both Jujitsu and Chinese Kung Fu being collaborated together to form Karate.
@JESUSISGREATEST From the same place as all cultural arts, them. They developed it and it is apparent there was Chinese influence. However, Gong Fu did not exist then but Chuan Fa did. There is a lot of bunk out there about this art but much more bunk out there calling itself this art. Karate is Okinawan, period, not Japanese, not American etc. It is either the Okinawan art or it is not karate. May look like it like Tae Kwan Do but not Okinawan lineage, not karate.
@IEKUKATAKA And What I meant by Bruce Lee is that, he was young, rash, and had different thinking. a lot like Einstein, and he proved that knowing only one style or learning only certain techniques limits you and can also weaken you if the style chosen isn't a good fit for your body type. Somebody 250 lbs won't fight the same as somebody 150 lbs. My point is, katas are ineffective because attacking air isn't like attacking a person. And one style means one defense. It better be a perfect style.
@wushus16 Lol, that's ok. Well if you remember just tell me if you want. And I didn't exactly mean that it is unimportant. Just it has to be trained properly. I don't think doing thousands of precise movements in the air can replace hitting a bag, mitt work, or actual fighting. If a person only does kata without understanding real fighting then they might as well be learning how to dance. I think that is what I was saying or trying to at least.
@bryanzellar Hey friend, been following your kata discussion. In my experience, real karate schools worth mentioning realize just hitting air is not enough. Many of the old masters strongly advocated supplemental training, or hojo undo, in karate training. That meant free weights, bodyweight exercise, running, jump rope, stretching, impact drills where either you hit something or something hits you, etc. Some schools neglect this, and sadly they tend to get the most attention.
@deek77 I agree entirely. That should be the foundation of every serious school. However many assume that a technique with 12 different sets practiced over and over is enough to save their life. The technique doesn't do anything except help the person understand what he is capable of with knowledge. The person needs more then a technique to be capable in a fight. If anyone disagrees then they have never been tested properly.
@bryanzellar well yes i agree. Kata and mitt work or bag training are two different types of training. One prepares your for the possibility and gives you options to use while facing an opponent while the other physically prepares and strengthens the body. And kata is actually dancing according to the history books.
@wushus16 Yeah, I can't remember the definition we used but it was just a set of movements learned to teach openings and fluidity, and flexibility, and strength, It helped our bodies and minds in various ways. But if someone punched us in the face, we would cover up and start fighting like a girl lol. Only after training and competing in our monthly kumite did we show confidence and proper technique in a fight situation.
@bryanzellar 2. The thing many simply do not understand about Okinawan karate is this: they do not want to fight, it is not their plan. They never wanted to fight and they tried to avoid it. However, there is one thing they wanted dearly, life. The entire focus on their training was to stay alive, to provide for their families and their society and they devised a plan that allowed that very thing even if it meant killing another. They trained for an eventuality they never wanted to happen. 3
@bryanzellar Some macho types all across the globe think it meaningful to engage in dangerous situations so they can view themselves and be viewed by others as "bad to the bone," etc. There is only one word that can adequately describe them and that behavior, barbaric. They are uneducated, uncivilized and uncultured. Thousands of Marines have entered combat with limited training, engaged an enemy and performed spendidly. It is an individual function, training improves the odds.
@IEKUKATAKA They called Musashi barbaric too, and the Spartans. Kinda funny how uneducated brutes can go down in history as the greatest warriors of all time. It's not about being macho. If I need to learn how to swim how am I going to practice? By staying on land? You don't have the psychological connection you need until you are experiencing the thing you are training. Yes life is very good. But your as good as dead if you can't perform technique due to fear.
@singhakabuttar You probably don't even practice martial arts like most of the other idiot arm-chair martial artists on youtube.
Kata's were created to mimic real life combat situations and each move has importance going from the basic kata which involve one on one situations to the more advanced kata which are patterns when fighting multiple attackers.
You are wrong about shorin ryu. Shorin has shorter stances and is not linear at all. The kata seem to be linear, so do goju for that matter, but they really are not. The unfortunate thing is that Okinawan karate, even in Okinawa, is being influenced by sport karate, which demands wide stances and linear movement.
Many Okinawans systems are hybrids of Naha, Shuri and Tomari kata. Not sure what Okinawan said that, but there wasn't any goju or shorin historically.
Could you teach me
chadreier 1 week ago
I never see any karate as fast as 0:59, any more videos of karate being done in real time?
engela2 1 week ago
Thanks for sharing memories,,lots of great stuff,, bow
KidsKicksforChrist 3 weeks ago
greetings to sensei oshiro. from dieter, switzerland
karateqigongyoga 1 month ago
0:49 HADOUKEN XD
air2grnd 1 month ago
Very nice.
Danzakisan 2 months ago
cool!
pampermanneke 2 months ago
Okinawan looks kinda different than the real Japanese
Yvesyew 3 months ago
@Yvesyew "real Japanese" ????
Danzakisan 2 months ago
GOJU RYU and shotokan are my favourite styles of Karate :D
BenK8319 3 months ago
Goju ryu..
1991kassi 5 months ago
Heihachi Mishima
superbrainification 6 months ago
I'd like to see him fight .. without knowing what's coming .. Wing Tsun ftw.
MrIco 8 months ago
hello I am french and I love super much your vidéo!!!! that is so very cool! I love karaté and is it very good :) :) :)
Laetix23 9 months ago
impressive DVD
teddywinroth 9 months ago
Yes this looks like Goju. I noticed him doing washuki in a clip. Also noted his Mai Geri and jodan uke among other Goju techniques. Good martial art. Ive studied that and jui jitsu for about a year. We do kumite and also self defense which has not as much to do with formal Goju techniques. More a hybrid of the two styles.
majin2912 10 months ago
@majin2912 Of course, it is Goju-Ryu, it becomes more than obvious by the kata he performs.
MetalJassim 10 months ago
Best part 0:58
RamsesTheGreater 11 months ago
i hope this is shotokan because it certainly aint looking like okinawan gojuryu. this guy looks like a robot
bizarretriangle2 11 months ago
Lyota Machita is the truth he is a str8 technician for those of you who dont know a thing about traditional karate, it hard to beat a striker an a real Martial artist, there is just to many people out there who say they know martial arts but dont, thats why there is so much confusion
TewaheDo21 11 months ago
top upload - your video was the best! you are star.
FunnyWarningStickers 11 months ago
Way of the hard an soft baby thats how we do it
TewaheDo21 11 months ago
LOL these gojo ryu fighters don't stand a chance against pro mma fighters.
karate is for pussies.
kata is useless in a real fight.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 you obiously dont know anything, george st pierre is a karate man, and so is lyota machiita both ufc champions they mix it with brazilain jiu jitsu, but i have seen Lyota knock people out with a straight punch from the hip from his Karate
danvanbelk1 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666
I can't tell if your comment was supposed to be funny or not.
Why on earth would you do a kata in a "real fight" in the first place?
It's like saying "hitting a boxing bag is useless in a real fight" - each has their purpose.
and "pro MMA" is a competitive sport, not self defense - two different topics with completely different rules and dynamics.
SteveFusionX 1 year ago
@SteveFusionX Finally someone gets it real karate is for killing not sport. you explained it very well my man
foxybrown2 10 months ago
@BluePittbull666 I hope that was a joke cause if not you have been fooled into thinking mma is the real deal......ITS NOT....IN A REAL FIGHT THERE IS NOT A CAGE FOR YOU TO USE BULLSHIT GROUND TACTICS
AND NO REF.....Try your mma shit one of these guys for real and lets see the result. REALLY GO AND CHALLENGE THEM IF YOU THINK KARATE IS FOR PUSSIES...LETS SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST LOL
masterkudjo 10 months ago
Je pensse que ça serais une bonne chose que je fasse du Karaté je vais areter le judo.
lapin77400 1 year ago
My niece took this for 2 years. She is about 5-7 and around 130. Kicks like a MULE. Can punch, too.
sparwood8 1 year ago
Where is Zenei Sensei teaching currently?
mfaries42 1 year ago 3
@mfaries42 : you can find him in Paris. More info in this website pagesperso-orange.fr/ogsf/
imaginarts 1 year ago
rigid stances... impressive work.. a lot of fluidity as well mix with power....too much circle ...nice one
papaiosif 2 years ago
Sry your kata's are based on fighting.... Kata's are just as important as learning to a punch or kick.
fr4nkie82 2 years ago
it is a good karateka
Mclocomax 2 years ago
woah, you guys do some good discussion here. I'm a student of Shihan Noss who learned under Oshiro in Kobudo.
I heard alot of things about Oshiro and I thought I'd take a peek. I'm still looking for the video where he hip-swings his Bo staff so hard it breaks in half (lol)
Palamneus 2 years ago
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phveille 2 years ago
im fascinated in goju ryu kata. although a okinawa shorin ryu kobayashi ryu stylist.
kuruku2k 2 years ago
I study shotokan but for some reason Goju-ryu facinates me, it is very different I like the more circular movements.
johnm543 2 years ago
IMO what you're seeing is one defining difference between japanese karate and okinawan karate. a generalized statement. but okinawan karate as a whole is a bit more fluid, more grappling etc...
kempobrad 2 years ago
GOJU RYU ROCKS!!!!!!!!!
TaTiBeTcH 2 years ago 14
I bough the DVD - No hype.
Only real goju ryu karate. A master...
babylovebabenco 2 years ago 2
Sensei Oshiro is a very great Master.
CHRISTIANRUZZA 2 years ago
I ordered the DVD's out of curiosity. The DVD includes English and Spanish subtitles.
Most of the stuff is at a basic level, but well explained. Oshiro moves very well and is fun to watch.
The Goju DVD only goes through Seiunchin because he includes several Shodokan training kata in it.
Saifa and Seiunchin include basic bunkai and a few variations. Gekisais are also included. DVD covers basics, kakie (both types of hand movement), and some ideas on kumite. A section on Sanchin is included.
swdw973 3 years ago
Just wanted to add. Even though I'm in the US, the DVD's come in PAL format so must be viewed on a computer.
swdw973 3 years ago
yeah.that is the real goju ryu:D
this is my fight stlye:D
hungariangladiator 3 years ago
i do kyokushin n just curious, hows the style in goju ryu like?
yamato316 2 years ago
kyokushin is based in goju ryu and shotokan
a lot of people say that "advanced" kyokushin techniques are pretty similar to goju ryu, and the more "basics" are similar to shotokan
i dont know if it`s true cause i never have done kyokushin
burzum19861986 2 years ago
ask your sensei to explain the differences between your shuri te derived (shorin) kata, and your naha te (goju) derived kata. thats the difference.
kempobrad 2 years ago
when i was in okinawa recently, many people felt that you cant mix nahate and shurite, cause the emphasis is to different?
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
i can't imagine why, shito ryu and isshin ryu are examples of doing just that.
kempobrad 2 years ago
shito ryu has all/most the kata from goju and shotokan, however these two styles have a different approach to fighting, the movements in goju are fluid with narrow stances, shotokan/shorin ryu have more wider stances and a more linear approach, so according to okinawans(no names mentioned)you cant mix the two from a combative point of view.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
thats not entirely true. shito is a combination of naha te, and shuri te. not goju and shorin, and definately not shotokan. mabuni studied with itosu and higashionna. so its really a bit unfair to say its from goju, shorin, or shotokan. you're right, naha, and shuri have different approaches, that doesn't mean one can't learn both. history is full of people who did just that.
kempobrad 2 years ago
your right shito ryu is from shuri and naha te, and the point was raised cause there was a guy there from a shurite school, and the sensei at this particular dojo(no dojo mentioned)advised this guy that he should concentrate on one or the other, cause firstly there are so many kata to learn, shuri and naha kata, that youre missing out on the finer points of the kata, also the conditioning necesary to apply the moves effectively. i personally think this is a valid point.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
and that's usually how it's taught in shito ryu. shuri te base for movement and speed, and naha later to add power. at least some "branches" of shito teach that way. if by mixing you mean studying say shorin ryu one day, then goju the next, and back n forth...i'm not so sure that'd be a good idea.
kempobrad 2 years ago
i dont know how its taught in shurite, as ive never practiced it, i was just passing on a goju senseis point of view, i think shito ryu has about 45 kata compared to goju ryus 12/13, then theres the hojo undo, the kakie, makiwara training, the bunkai, also the time taken to become proficient at all these practices, how would you do all this with 45 kata, seems like your becoming more of a dictionary of naha and shuri kata, rather than learning how to actually apply the technique within the kata.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
no arguments there, that's exactly why shito never interested me much. but Mabuni sensei is said to have been quite strict about learning the inner meaning of the kata. why they do so many i don't know, its not necessary. then again..kata is not necessary either. using the same logic, one could say why do kata at all? you don't need it.
kempobrad 2 years ago
true, to be an effective fighter, or to be able to defend yourself kata is not required, maybe its to preserve the tradition, maybe its curiosity about katas, theres so much research been done by people like morio higaonna, taira masaji, patrick mccarthy, theres got to be some kind of magisc that keeps people wanting to learn more about kata, to me as an individual i first got interested in goju ryu when i saw morio higaonna in way of the warrior, before that karate looked like a game of tag.
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
i agree there is something rather fascinating about kata. but most schools that claim to teach real traditional karate don't seem to have a clue about it. one thing i don't like about kata is that it, in a sense builds bad muscle memory. regardless of what bunkai you have for 'chambering' your fist...you do it, each and every time you punch. over time this can lead to you automatically doing so. i've had this happen to me personally and many others i have seen, so i don't do kata personally
kempobrad 2 years ago
i think more than 50 percent of the dojos throughout the world do not know real karate, they teach sport karate. the dojo i trained at in okinawa really opened my eyes to real practical karate training, most the emphasis at this dojo was power generation from a short range, the kata even looked different, it looked effective, not pretty like in tournaments.
i do know what you mean about the muscle memory thing, is this the reason you stopped doing kata, or have you found an alternative way?
singhakabuttar 2 years ago
you're right, very few schools do any sort of real body conditioning like those crazy goju and uechi guys in okinawa! ironically i think the "ugly" kata are more beautiful than the most pristine shito or ISKA kata imaginable. i don't do kata because it's unnecessary, and there are not uechi or goju schools near me anyway. and because i started with a combative system (kempo jujitsu) and got a yr free taekwondo as a gift from my mother...
kempobrad 2 years ago
then i went back to KJ and got owned largely cuz of all the bad habits i picked up doing all those forms in TKD. id drop my right hand when throwing my jab for instance. or i'd down block which is a practically useless technique in my opinion. it just ingrained alot of bad habits in me..and when it came time to actually fight, even if i won i'd get tagged way too much for my liking. so im more into kempo jujitsu/combat sambo/krav maga type of things now. they get right to the meat and potatoes.
kempobrad 2 years ago
the meat and potatoes approach is very helpful especially today because noone has time or the money (or the inclination) to study 8-10 hrs a day every day...imagine a soccer mom who needs self defense. she may only go to class for 1 hour twice a week. she needs to not waste time doing kata and 1 step sparring and get right down to business.
kempobrad 2 years ago
@kempobrad Kata are the backbone of traditional karate. The reason you don't think so is that you are too young to have trained long enough to put it all together plus you have not stayed focused. Okinawans do not practice kata because it is just a drill, it has relative combative importance. Find a good, provable teacher of Okinawan karate, stick with it and learn through time. Flip flop around and waste your time.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago 26
first i never said they weren't. and second don't pretend to know me or anything about me. i have plenty of respect for karate, and kata done properly (which im sure even you will admit is increasingly rare). but the bottom line is they're just a drill...eg..they have combat relevence..but alas..they are not combat itself. kata are teaching tools. and IMO there are faster ways in modern times to achieve your goal, if its simply self defense you seek. didn't say they're useless
kempobrad 1 year ago
@kempobrad Son, I am not pretending a damned thing, it is a fact. When you reach 50 look back and you will see the exact same things I see. At your age you are luck to get out of the rain without getting wet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it all about martial arts and I am an idiot for questioning you so go about your merry way while the few of us study proven arts in proven ways.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
everyone has their opinion. and everyone has different experiences. and i'm not your son. and again, you don't know jack shit about me, so don't judge me.
kempobrad 1 year ago
@kempobrad I know it unlikely that you are a serious martial artist. I know your age says volumes and, you are right, you aren't my son, your behavior tells me that.
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
again, you know jack about me. i'm not serious simply because i don't agree with you? how thick can you get? anyway i'm done with this, i have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. have a nice day
kempobrad 1 year ago
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first i never said they weren't. and second don't pretend to know me or anything about me. i have plenty of respect for karate, and kata done properly (which im sure even you will admit is increasingly rare). but the bottom line is they're just a drill...eg..they have combat relevence..but alas..they are not combat itself. kata are teaching tools. and IMO there are faster ways in modern times to achieve your goal, if its simply self defense you seek. didn't say they're useless
kempobrad 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA muy buena definición Sensei ...
PierceVonBraun39 1 year ago
@PierceVonBraun39 Thank you and it appears you are already aware of the concept. Some of the folks that make comments imply that there is really a chance to apply karate jutsu in a ring or tournament. There isn't and any attempt to do so ends up with rules etc. True karate can be practiced only in kata or yakosuku kumite just as the originators did. I simply don't know what makes some think they can better the attempts of thousands over centuries but they do. Silly and funny!!!
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@PierceVonBraun39 Thank you and it appears you are already aware of the concept. Some of the folks that make comments imply that there is really a chance to apply karate jutsu in a ring or tournament. There isn't and any attempt to do so ends up with rules etc. True karate can be practiced only in kata or yakosuku kumite just as the originators did. I simply don't know what makes some think they can better the attempts of thousands over centuries but they do. Silly and funny!!!
IEKUKATAKA 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA
I am a traditional karateka, like you. Why argue with them? I think because in may ways these MMA guys are striking at the truth (like my choice of words, hahaha). Practicing kata alone will not improve one's ability to fight. However, many good mma guys realize that practicing fighting alone will not improve one's chances on the street. These are all games. Some simulate different aspects of self-defense, but all fall short. The key is to see the common thread, and apply.
ronin752 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA
Take the negative comment, use its energy to improve your practice, and move on.
ronin752 1 year ago
@IEKUKATAKA I suppose Bruce Lee flip flopped then? Yeah your right, that will get you nowhere. Do repetitions a thousand times a day instead and never branch out from one style. Musashi was a brute as well who couldn't fight traditionally so your right. Had Musashi trained in one area he would have been so much better. Okinawan Karate is awesome, but kata improves very little. Live combat is what matters. Until you learn how to fight, you can't. Bruce was young too. Don't think that mattered.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar Bruce Lee, not sure I understand the comment. Musashi, seems you know a lot about a figure that may, or may not, have been real and lived 400 years ago. Many in Japan believe Musashi to be a folk legend. Kata improves little? Not sure what you mean. Live combat? Not many societies allow it, people get killed and maimed. However, your premise is flawed. The Marine Corps trains just as Okinawans did centuries ago, in near reality scenarios, are they not effective? see 2
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA If Musashi wasn't real then how does he have descendants of his style, and who might have killed all of those Swordsmen in his time and what about the book he wrote that I own. I'll agree, technique training is a must but kata? maybe you don't understand what I am speaking of. Practicing a technique over and over is good, dancing is not. And yes you can train real combat just wear proper protection. Have the guy attack you and then practice real reflex.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar I don't know if Musashi was real or not and you do not know you have a book he wrote. Anyone in that time could have written the book of five rings and used his name, maybe his followers if he had any. The issue is 400 years, reliable, documented history etc. It simply is not known for sure in Japan, many doubt it therefore you can not possibly know it. It is a nice legend, I personally want to believe he lived but I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE. Real combat offers little protection.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA Spartans were real right? Sun Tzu what about him? Vikings? Indians? Ninjas? Look there is more evidence today that Musashi lived and he did it by dissecting styles. Just like Bruce Lee. Are you going to say Bruce didn't exist either? or are you going to say he was a lousy martial artist?
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar You are straining at a gnat. I did not say he did not live, I said THE NATIVES OF HIS HOME LAND ARE DIVIDED ABOUT IT, some do not believe so and you can not possibly know so, it is simple logic. A good martial artist? I have quite a different perspective on that. The west judges that in terms of physical dexterity, flashy athleticism, strong dynamics etc. A good martial artist is a person that has studied a martial art in earnest and has made it a point to be prepared.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I don't care what the west thinks or what the east thinks. In my opinion, you are a good martial artist if you can walk away with your life when someone threatens it. For me, I'm not out for perfection I am out for protection. I'll agree though, the west is all about what looks good and what sells. It tarnishes all that is martial arts. The spirituality from them are all but lost in the West. And I think the Natives are divided out of hate for Musashi. He had that effect. haha
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar "you are a good martial artist if you can walk away with your life when someone threatens it." Your words and the EXACT PHILOSOPHY of Okinawan karate. No one hates Musashi in Japan, some are just realists in that there is not enough supporting information for them. He is taught in their schools and is their "sword saint." What you know about him is what you have read and what you have read may be corrupted, it is the nature of man.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA Yeah I know, but I'm going to keep saying he was really as amazing as the legend states because I am a huge fan. :) Besides, he of all people, should have existed. There is a lot to learn from his Myth that can better human beings. And my views are similar to Okinawan because my Sensei taught me well. He has been around the world and he knows his shit. Okinawan karate is not; when the kids are done, let's go get pizza; Karate. lol. Okinawan Karate is the real deal and I respect that.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar And your shisho is who?
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I heavily doubt that you have herd of him although he is very respected and wise. He is American, his name is Barry Bernsten. He is the only man that I have met in person and viewed as the "real deal" when it comes to Karate. A lot of phoneys out there.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar Kata were a mnemonic tool, never meant to replace combat, yakusoku kumite did that. The kata stored information and provided a base for expanding the information in the form of varied bunkai. The bunkai of all traditional kata were of realistic combative scenarios that were internalized as empirical information. That type of information in the form of repeated training allows near instant recall when similar situations arise. You are young, you have a lot to learn about this.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA That was a fantastic explanation. Really, I have never heard someone put it that way. Yeah you are right with that one. The only problem I have with it is, what if the technique that you have as reflex now fails? It is a reaction that if fails, can put you in a very dangerous disadvantage point. You should always practice different scenarios and exit strategies live. Otherwise all of that muscle memory will end you instead of protect you
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar Yakusoku kumite IS live and it can take any form you like. The more accurate in terms of combat behavior the better. There are certain known categories of attack, the Okinawans knew what they were and trained for them. However, your question begs for perfection and there is none. The answer to your question is that you get defeated. Preparation is the key, realism is the focus, training is the means, attitude and spirit are the driving force. All are in Okinawan karate.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA Well it's good to see you agree with me. lol Yes Kumite is awesome. It helps build technique, limits injury, and gives you live combat feelings. what I have to disagree with is where you say; preparation, focus,attitude, and spirit are all in Okinawn Karate. That is false. They are withing the individual using the style, they are not in the style itself because man is living and always growing and evolving. a style remains a style nothing more. You use it not the other way around.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar All I can say to you is this: I have been studying this process much longer than you have been around. The key is STUDYING, that means independent action, intelligent observation and deduction, empirical conclusions etc. I believe I know the nature of karate better than a 24 year old simply because I have made it a life priority to do so. What I said is true in the spirit of Okinawan karate, you can believe as you see fit. Ijo!! Got to go train.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA You are right again but hear me out. You are phenomenal, you. The style is what defines you but it is not what controls you. You are the one doing the kicks, punches, throws. Not the style. The style is letters and words. The human being using it is what is special and unique. Someone using Tae Kwon Do can feel the same as you do without ever learning Karate. It's never been about a better style, just better techniques. I respect you though I am young, and thank you for the time.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar My emphasis on Okinawan karate is that it is the true karate, they developed it since about 950 AD it appears, not absolutely sure. I focus on their approach because it is historically authentic and very well thought out. Style is a new phenomenon, maybe around 1930 it was coined. Miyagi Chojun did not pass down a style, he passed down his ideas that were not meant to be divisive. I train now in ko ryu ho karate jutsu, the old methods of combat, about 27 years ago I refocused.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago 2
@IEKUKATAKA So you're saying that jujitsu and kung fu are the product of okinawan karate?
JESUSISGREATEST 3 weeks ago
@JESUSISGREATEST I have no idea what gave you that thought, but, Jujitsu was the hand to hand method of the Samurai as I understand and Gongfu is a Chinese art that is similar in some ways to karate. If you are speaking of Brazilian Jujitsu, that is a new and altered fighting form and really, because it has been significantly altered, is not true jujitsu.
IEKUKATAKA 3 weeks ago
@IEKUKATAKA Then exactly where do real Karate come from? I've heard that it came from both Jujitsu and Chinese Kung Fu being collaborated together to form Karate.
JESUSISGREATEST 5 days ago
@JESUSISGREATEST From the same place as all cultural arts, them. They developed it and it is apparent there was Chinese influence. However, Gong Fu did not exist then but Chuan Fa did. There is a lot of bunk out there about this art but much more bunk out there calling itself this art. Karate is Okinawan, period, not Japanese, not American etc. It is either the Okinawan art or it is not karate. May look like it like Tae Kwan Do but not Okinawan lineage, not karate.
IEKUKATAKA 5 days ago
@IEKUKATAKA And What I meant by Bruce Lee is that, he was young, rash, and had different thinking. a lot like Einstein, and he proved that knowing only one style or learning only certain techniques limits you and can also weaken you if the style chosen isn't a good fit for your body type. Somebody 250 lbs won't fight the same as somebody 150 lbs. My point is, katas are ineffective because attacking air isn't like attacking a person. And one style means one defense. It better be a perfect style.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@bryanzellar I love the debate you two are having...However I strongly disagree with your thinking on kata.
wushus16 4 months ago
@wushus16 What's your opinion man, I'm always up for discussion if you would like to share your thoughts.
bryanzellar 4 months ago
@bryanzellar i cnt even remember what i replied to. you made a comment about how Kata is not important
wushus16 4 months ago
@wushus16 Lol, that's ok. Well if you remember just tell me if you want. And I didn't exactly mean that it is unimportant. Just it has to be trained properly. I don't think doing thousands of precise movements in the air can replace hitting a bag, mitt work, or actual fighting. If a person only does kata without understanding real fighting then they might as well be learning how to dance. I think that is what I was saying or trying to at least.
bryanzellar 3 months ago
@bryanzellar Hey friend, been following your kata discussion. In my experience, real karate schools worth mentioning realize just hitting air is not enough. Many of the old masters strongly advocated supplemental training, or hojo undo, in karate training. That meant free weights, bodyweight exercise, running, jump rope, stretching, impact drills where either you hit something or something hits you, etc. Some schools neglect this, and sadly they tend to get the most attention.
deek77 3 months ago
@deek77 I agree entirely. That should be the foundation of every serious school. However many assume that a technique with 12 different sets practiced over and over is enough to save their life. The technique doesn't do anything except help the person understand what he is capable of with knowledge. The person needs more then a technique to be capable in a fight. If anyone disagrees then they have never been tested properly.
bryanzellar 3 months ago
@bryanzellar well yes i agree. Kata and mitt work or bag training are two different types of training. One prepares your for the possibility and gives you options to use while facing an opponent while the other physically prepares and strengthens the body. And kata is actually dancing according to the history books.
wushus16 3 months ago
@wushus16 Yeah, I can't remember the definition we used but it was just a set of movements learned to teach openings and fluidity, and flexibility, and strength, It helped our bodies and minds in various ways. But if someone punched us in the face, we would cover up and start fighting like a girl lol. Only after training and competing in our monthly kumite did we show confidence and proper technique in a fight situation.
bryanzellar 3 months ago
@bryanzellar 2. The thing many simply do not understand about Okinawan karate is this: they do not want to fight, it is not their plan. They never wanted to fight and they tried to avoid it. However, there is one thing they wanted dearly, life. The entire focus on their training was to stay alive, to provide for their families and their society and they devised a plan that allowed that very thing even if it meant killing another. They trained for an eventuality they never wanted to happen. 3
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@bryanzellar Some macho types all across the globe think it meaningful to engage in dangerous situations so they can view themselves and be viewed by others as "bad to the bone," etc. There is only one word that can adequately describe them and that behavior, barbaric. They are uneducated, uncivilized and uncultured. Thousands of Marines have entered combat with limited training, engaged an enemy and performed spendidly. It is an individual function, training improves the odds.
IEKUKATAKA 10 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA They called Musashi barbaric too, and the Spartans. Kinda funny how uneducated brutes can go down in history as the greatest warriors of all time. It's not about being macho. If I need to learn how to swim how am I going to practice? By staying on land? You don't have the psychological connection you need until you are experiencing the thing you are training. Yes life is very good. But your as good as dead if you can't perform technique due to fear.
bryanzellar 10 months ago
@singhakabuttar You probably don't even practice martial arts like most of the other idiot arm-chair martial artists on youtube.
Kata's were created to mimic real life combat situations and each move has importance going from the basic kata which involve one on one situations to the more advanced kata which are patterns when fighting multiple attackers.
HermannTheGreat 1 year ago
@HermannTheGreat which comment are you responding to?
singhakabuttar 1 year ago
@singhakabuttar
You are wrong about shorin ryu. Shorin has shorter stances and is not linear at all. The kata seem to be linear, so do goju for that matter, but they really are not. The unfortunate thing is that Okinawan karate, even in Okinawa, is being influenced by sport karate, which demands wide stances and linear movement.
Many Okinawans systems are hybrids of Naha, Shuri and Tomari kata. Not sure what Okinawan said that, but there wasn't any goju or shorin historically.
ronin752 1 year ago
@ronin752 youre right about the sport thing its a bloody mokery of real karate!!!
singhakabuttar 1 year ago
good ole okinawan karate ... cant beat it.
bigj41004 3 years ago
ok, i am agree with you, sorry for my wrong opinion. Ofcourse we can learn from each other.
summo85 3 years ago
XD this is the style i do
KinaNeko 3 years ago
the throw at 26 oh my god!
Still remember it. Don't know if I could do it though....
stardingo747 3 years ago
Great karate player. I really like to see the perpetuation of old style Goju Ryu and this guy does a great job.
IEKUKATAKA 3 years ago
very good
christwarrior56 3 years ago
very nice
bmas74 4 years ago
very good worth looking at
gojukanman 4 years ago