I say that us Poles rly messed up back then, if we only have let Ukraine to be a part of our commonwealth along with Lithuania, things would have look a lot different now, most likely belarus would join this commonwealth as well just for the heck of it, just to be safe from commies and others ahoes conquering the europe. Together we could stand and tall and resist both Nazzi and Commie deluges, instead hatred took over our hearts and divided we fell one after another due to Hitler and Stalin.
Since I'm a mere child, I'm trying my best to use simplified editions of the truth (whilst still being the truth) for the ease of comprehension. So, is this "commonwealth" somewhat like a marriage between Lithuania and Poland?
Also, while I'm still here, might I ask, how do you say Lithuania in Lithuanian?
Nieprawdopodobne, ale celowe pomieszanie pojec.Prawdziwa Litwa to Bialorus,a obecna Litwa to Zmudz+polsko-ruska Auksztota.Wilno nigdy zmudzkie nie bylo juz od 13 wieku bylo rusko-polskie.To pomieszanie jest wynikiem planowej i przemyslanej dywersji wywiadu niemieckiego.Wczesniej jeszcze,wywiad Rosji wymyslil'Bialorus',wiec nazwa 'Litwy'sama sie zwolnila,i tak powstal idiotyzm w przypasowaniu'Litwy'do Zmudzi-czas z tym skonczyc!,ale jak,moze ktos ma pomysl?
In today's terms it was Polish-Belarusian Commonwealth. Wilno was located on mixed Polish-Belarus ethnic land and has never been a part of Zemaitya, that is equivalent of todays Lithuania. Zemaitya at the beginnig of 1400's conquered and brutally ravaged by Teutons, it was then saved though and recovered from death by joint Polish-Belarus victory at Grunwald 1410. The Zemaityan dynasty spoke Ruski language and were part of that culture, they were also intermarried with Ruski and Polish princes.
@wladys678 You are very poor at Lithuanian and European history.
Belerusia was only a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. It was conquested. Born, fought and lived under Lithuanian flag.
Lithuanian ethnic lands are called Lowland Lithuania(Samogitians) and Highland Lithuania(Aukštaitians). Lithuania as a state was united in 1248 by King Mindaugas and started its expansion as every country did.
Battle of Grunwald was led by King Jogaila and Grand Duke Vytautas(GDL), joint Polish-Lithuanian army
@Tfmachine1991 From Polish site it`s no problem. We not change the name of Stasys Eidrigevičius to Staszek Eidrigewicki... but You in Lithuania change Polish names by force to Lithuanian... and it`s violation of basic human rights of Polish minority...
@ZjawaIX Polskie słowo "Rzeczpospolita" jest kalką łacińskiego -określenia- "Res Publica" . To nie dwa słowa, a jedno. Poprawniej byłoby tłumaczyć na angielski jako "Commonwealth", niźli "Republic". Rzeczpospolita to kraj o ustroju republikańskim, tak jak Polska, rzecz w tym ze "Republic of Poland" to jakiś śmieszny błąd. Najpoprawniej i najładniej byłoby tłumaczyć jako "Commonwealth of Poland", choć już to okropne "Republic" jakoś się utrzymało.
Too bad most of lithuanians don't like polish ppl @ all and vice versa. Our nations have great, common history and we should stay friendly. Respect Lithuanian brothers. Pilsudski wanted to bring back our union, but his actions ruined this chance. SŁAWA!
There are a lot of stupid jokes about polish people here in lithuania,but ive notoiced a lot of them coming from lower minded class people so funk them..i know shit about history lol but i know few poles and theyr extraordinary people,Actualy i havent met any pole that i dint like i dont know why i presume theyr good people!I like you all n i like my homebrewed lithuanians just wish the middle class would be a bit smarter atleast tolerant.anyways wish you all good times.See yas in Heineken !:D
i am lithuanian but i dont say that everything in GDL was pure lithuanian i agree with khulik that litvins or slavizied lithuanians were leading GDL after union but i dont like when belorussian nationalists say that vytautas was bellorussian or that lithuanians are samoghitians but i guess peapole have their opinion towards GDL history witch is both countries
@mindyne123456789 Hi, when they talk that bigger part was slavizied Lithuanians its not realy true, becouse everybody forgets population of humans in those times;)
It's a bit out of topic, but i think it's interesting "weapon" in lithuanian language is "ginklas", and "defend ourself" is "gintis". So deffinition of weapon in lithuanian would be "tool of defence", or some sort of "defender" if be precise in english. There is nothing about attack or being offensive.
Greetings to poles and all other people with whom we were great republic
Tylko szkoda że historycznych Litwinów już prawie nie ma. A Ci obecni podszywają się pod nazwę Litwa jaki pod jej historię tak jak obecna Macedonia właściwie F.Y.R.O.M. pod Macedonię grecką. Koniec zakłamywania historii. Wilno i Wileńszczyzna dla Litwinów historycznych autochtonicznej ludności a nie dla bałtów chłopów ze Żmudzi.
Jestem przekonany, iz pewnego dnia potega Polski odrodzi sie... kolejny zloty wiek. Jak cudownie byloby dozyc tej chwili... o nic wiecej nie prosze :)
NIe jestem pewien, czy potrzebujemy potęgi. Wystarczyłoby mi, gdyby Polska była państwem prawa, na przyzwoitym poziomie ekonomicznym, gdzie większość ludzi chodzi na wybory i jest na tyle wykształcona, żeby dać na nich żółtą kartkę nierobom, warchołom albo złodziejom. Tyle.
@dragonofthedarknight because for your history it's not important, USA dont care about Poland... And maybe what in US teach about Enigma? Probably that British solved code but it's poles did it. In ur history are many lies.
The funniest thing is, that if III Reich would not start II WW, they would still have Silesia and Prussia. Now, there are almost no germans there (in Prussia). In part of Silesia there's only a few percent of them.
Pilsudski wanted to re-take Lithuania and Bialorus + Ukraina from USRR and "liberate" them. His intent (very selfish) was to create them as "safe border" between Poland and USRR presenting clear threat to Polish democracy. Thats why he took Lithuanian capital in 1919, and again I don't agree whith what he did ruining our relationships for no real purpose. I hope LIthuanian brothers will forgive Poland some day. Long live and greetings from Poland.
@rhaston01 The invasion of LT and Zeligowski Mutiny was only thing Poland did bad but I think at this time it was only realistic to at least get a piece of Vilnius because it was large city with Polish majority. I like LT a hell of a lot better then Ukraine.
@rhaston01 But Wilno was inhabitet by Poles and Jews. Lithuanians intead of thinking chosed to be "alone". Pilsudski idea was great, creating reconstruction of Rzeczypospolita would prevent as us from bolshevia!!
@rakuuu85 Yes, Pilsudski's idea was good, but don't forget that dominant party in Poland and city of Vilnius was Narodowa Demokracja, and they were against federations. Both sides are guilty..
@rakuuu85 Vilnius was created by lithuanians , lithuanian duke Gediminas before Gediminas it was caled sventaragio slenis and had the bigest pagan church or smth like that . archeologist founds more and more prooves
Szlachta o ktorej wielu mowi o zdrajcach i przedawczykach zbudowala podwaliny owego kraju. Polacy i Litwini powinni wspolpracowac jak dawniej, razem wciaz mozemy odbudowac owa piekna i potezna Rzeczpospolita.
lithuania poland hungary ukraine czech and slovakia must unite and become one great powerful nation so russians will never raise their hand on us .lets unite one for all and all for one otherwise we are in great danger soon or later
@PatrickvonPatey Moim zdaniem nie można tego tak prosto rozpatrywać. Władza królów elekcyjnych została ograniczona do tego stopnia bo jak nasi zobaczyli rzeźnię na protestantach we Francji to doszli do wniosku że u nas taki król z dużą władzą oznacza wojnę domową i rozpad państwa które przecież było wielonarodowe i wieloreligijne.
Problem w tym, że mieszkańcy I Rzeczpospolitej uwierzyli iż sama potęga państwa które zbudowali (powierzchnia ok 1mln km2) ochroni ich przed utratą niepodległości.
Mylili się.
Powinni jednak z czasem wzmocnić pozycję króla zwłaszcza w sprawach związanych z utrzymaniem stałej armii.
@tofer4rp powtarzasz panie bracie propagandowe frazesy, które tłoczono Ci do głowy na wszystkich etapach edukacji. Nie powinni wzmacniać władzy króla, ale zlikwidować tę instytucję, ponieważ to ona była najsłabszym ogniwem ustroju i czynnikiem ciągłej destabilizacji. Niemal wszystkie klęski, które spadły na Rzeczpospolitą zostały sprowokowane przez królów.
@prezesls nie wiem z kąd czerpiesz t brednie zagorzały demokrato ale zważ na to, że to co się działo było prowokowane przez zdrajców wewnątrz państwa jak i przez wrogów z zewnątrz, którzy korzytsali z tego, że władza królewska jest słaba zwłaszcza w schyłku 17 i przez cały 18 wiek istnienia Rzeczpospolitej a nie z powodu tego, że wogule istniał urząd króla gdyby nie on to by wogule nas nie było. u schyłku instnienia państwo było federacją państewek magnackich które nie słuchały króla--ucz sie
@khulik uwczesna szlachta dbała tylko o prywate i król w takim wypadku im przeszkadzał ale dla Rzeczypospolitej jako państwa był potrzebny i to z możliwice jak największą władzą aby dekrety mogły szybko być realizowane i reformy przeprowadzane-daleko nie trzeba zresztą szukać wystarczy spojrzeć na naszych sąsiadów i na ich system władzy to łatwo można stwierdzić że tylko silny monarcha był gwarantem niepodległości, a szlachta nie tylko u nas ale i tam dbała o swą prywate.
I don't give a shit about this commonwealth greeting's from Lithuania! I don't want to insult poles ,but Lithuanians look more to Baltics Latvians,Estonians and Northern Europe now.
@verdefull We are not insulted, but who does not mind his history is bound to repeat it. When the time comes, and it will come when Russia wants to re-establish its hegemony over Lithuania, your Baltic and Northern European friends won't lift a finger to help you, and it will be Polish soldiers fighting for Lithuania as they have done since the 1380s. Greetings from Poland old friend
zdradze wam sekret-liwtini nas nienawidza i te czasy wspominaja jako najgorsze, nawte sond nad jagillo zrobili, mieszkam na kresach to wiem, smutne ale prawdziwe
@Franky901000 to żaden sekret ,nie musisz mówić...przykre ale prawdziwe.. gdyby nie unia to litwinów rosja by zjadła. kto wie czy dzis byliby na mapie ,gdyby nie unia lubelska
lukasz what facts in all history books are written that lithuanian conqured belarus part russia and part ukraine there isnt any word about belarus exept that lithuanians used ruthenian for writing documents
A lot of old prophecies are feeling, of which the plot already largely came true, and which have one, shared thing not yet fulfilled: in the future Poles, Ruthenians (Belarus, Ukraine) and north Romanians (Moldova and even Transylvania) will be one state of free people. There are even some NEW economic books from west Europa and USA which there recall about empire on the Vistula in ~30-50 nearest years
Somogitians are reall Lithuanians there language sounds diffrent from Aukstaiciai. Belorussians call them self's Lithuanians??.What are you talking about?Belorussia doesn't have nothing to do with Lithuania history.
The official language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was jęsyk Ruthenian or earlier form of the Belarusian language! Belarus is the heir of the Great Lithuanian! And it is today that Lithuania was formerly the Principality Samogitian! It is a strange paradox of history! But these are historical facts!!
No it wasnt principality of Samogitian. I'm samogitian and I know history of my region. It always was an autonomic part of Lithuania (politcaly) and always was the part of lithuanian theritory ethnicaly and culturaly. If you like history, You should read a very objective book written in polish by M. Romeris, who was lithuanian pole.
Btw. Hungary, belarus, ukraine all we was brothers in XVIIc. until our power make enemy in our own country, we didnt respect enought ukraines, didnt give enought power to king, betrayers sold our kingdom, home war, and at the end 3 black eagles vs 1 white...
yeah but belarus in the 13 th century was much different half of them not even belarussians but many russians. now belarus is like russia not belarus i don't think that they have a mind of their own they do need so much help
If you tell like that, you're a hipocryte. GDL had Slavic majorty (Ruthenian, today's Belrussian) and after Union of Lublin mainly Slavs were building everything.
Today's Lithuania is trying to tell us a lie, that it's an "only child" of GDL. Wait untill somebody non-communist will take care of Belrussia and it's history.
man!! i dont say that belorussian was peasants i say that biggest part noble peapole was lithuanians even if they were from belarus they spoke lithuanian and polish and thought that they are lithuanians .I dont want to argue you because everybody knows that GDL is both lithuanian and belorussian history but you have to admit biggest part of it was lithuanian beacause allmost all from noble society was lithuanians
man!!! who said lithuanian are russian? you never ruled GDL!!!!!!even your ocupation in 14 century was limited to colecting money from ocupying land. EVEN THOSE "LITHUANIANS" WHO SETTLED IN RUTHENIAN LAND WERE RUTHENIZED.official language in GDL was ruthenian. todays lithuanians are mostly descendant of somogotian peasants
gregy you are belarussian ? if you say that all lithuanian are and were russians why nobleman called them self lithuanians and whole world exept sveral russian and belarrusian historics say that we are lithuanians and we ruled GDL no hard fealings but you trying to steal our history and make yours more beutifull i understand you becouse you dont have what to write in history books to children :D
In Poland most people (those with good historical education) treat Great Dutchy of Lithuania as a country of Lithuanians and Belarusians together. In our opinion you were mixed up together if we concider your history.
Polish owes more to Ruthenians than Lithuania, it has always been more Ruthenian blood on our shared battlefields than Baltic. I respect the times when Poles, west Ukrainians, Byelorussians and Lithuanians shared Commonwealth, we always had many problems, but main impact which detroyed us was a treacherous rebellion of Cossacks. The attack from the inside aches the most, whatever their reasons were, betrayal is the worst!
I don't know what really happened, but as I was tought at school, east ukrainians were pretty happy under lithuanian rule in GDL, and in time of the Commonwelth, poles took greater and greater parts of today's Ukraine into their controll, and perhaps came with a stricter rules forcing their culture on ukrainians, which led to those rebelions.
mindyne123... you should know that people (all leaders)who made culture ,military achivements of GDL were mostly ruthenians not"lithuanians".today "lithuanians" are merely descendants of somogotian peasants.
kosciuszko,mickiewicz,sapiecha,chodkiewicz were rutenians.
vilnio was never inhabited by ethnical "lithuanians"it was polish-jewish city for centuries.today "lithuanian"language was created in 19 century
Lithuanian language is the most archaic alive indoeuropean language. Do you mean written language? Yes in a part you are true, becouse Jablonskis and Būga wrote lithuanian gramatic, but that not mean that they created language. They just elaborated it scientificaly.
And the first book in Lithuanian was publiced in 1547.
belaruskibrit you should know your history belarus was created in 1990s after fall of ussr yes there was more belorusians than lithuanians in GDL but all leaders was lithuanians and dont you dare steal lithuanian history
Samogitia is one of baltic tribes. The language with small differences is same as lithuanian. You should know, that lithuanian ) language is different than slavic.
The Duchy of Lithuania is today's Lithuania ( Lithuania was center with Vilnius, Trakai, Kernave of GDL) with teritory of current Belarus, which were started to incorporate into Grand Duchy in 13cent.
Unia Lubelska osłabila WKL?. Wolne zarty. Jak "silne" w owym okresie bylo to panstwo dobitnie pokazala wojna z Rosja w latach 1558-1570. Mimo pomocy ze strony Korony ktora w czasie trwania konfliktu wystawila okolo 300 rot WKL nie wyszlo z owego konfliktu zwyciesko, oparlo sie co prawda Rosji, ale kosztem ustepstw terytorialnych. Czy WKL przy owczesnym poziomie zaludnienia i skarbu moglo opierac sie samodzielnie narastajacej potedze Rosji, Szwecji, Turcji zachowyjac terytorialne status quo?.
Odpowiedz wydaje sie oczywista. Rozumieli to zreszta sami litwini ktorzy przeciez do roku 1569 byli przeciwni dalszemu zaciesnianiu zwiazkow z Korona. Gdyby nie unia imperializm rosyjski, szwedzki czy pruski pozarlby WKL duzo wczesniej, ale kazdy ma prowo do swojego zdania. pzdr.
Racja! Byłem w 2008 roku na Litwie i więcej tam nie pojade. Polaków mają tam za nic bo są przesyceni kompleksami. Czują się od nas niższi i tego się boją.
The Dutchy of Litva was the union of todays Lithunuai and Belarus. The officila state langauge was pa bielarusku.
Unfortunately we made the mistake of Lublin forming the Commonwealth of Poland and Litva. It weakened Litva so that it first fell to Tsarist Russia. The do-called 1st partition.
@belaruskibrit Quite contrary. You formed the Commonwealth with Poland mainly because of threat from Muscovy (and Teutonic knights). In result of alliance with GDL, Poland got involved in wars and conflicts with "russians". If not for Commonwealth "Litva" could have ceased to exist much earlier.
I dont think so, the main reason of fall of Lithuanian-Polish state was the "democracy" of nobles (or better to say anarchy). Have you learned about it at the school?
@Askudo. So what was the main reason of fall? Wars per se can't be, becouse also other countries had many wars in this period. I think the may reason was bad governing. Other states in these period where centralized with strong power of king. Liberum veto created the situation of chaos in governing. Many important decisions where abolished in this way. There where a lot of corruption in 18 century, especialy form the part of Russia, when veto simply was used to buy from Russia.
And we should recognize the situation that we have studied our history differently. I recognize that sometimes our historics where very romantic, and not all is true. But I think history is very subjective and we should be care about it, shoudn't offend each other becouse of different views. I think we can share our views, trying to understand each other. Sorry, if I've written something offensive, maybe my reaction was too emotional becouse I've see something that by my oppinion is not true.
Samogitia was and is Samogitia. Now it's a lithuanian region, but it's not true that todays Lithuania was know as Samogitia. Lithuanian etnic territory was bigger then now. Samogitia always was a part of Lithuanian ethnic territory. You should see the map of lithuanian tribes in middle ages.
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well well lots of nice comments.Back in the days I remember stories from elderly, I heard a lot of not nice things about this ''Zechpotchpolita''. Ones was ilegal to have our own literature and people been ridicouled to speak their own language. Hope history stays clear. This is called business today, what happent back then.
Rogvist - brak mi tylko paru napisów, by każdy wiedział co jest co, i kto jest kto - jak np. przywódcy :) Sam clip bogaty i ciekawy :) Jak zwykle dobrze dobrana muzyka.
Poland and Lithuania should be best friend like in past. We need to cooperate and remember our beatiful history, especially now when European Union become more and more socialistic . We must also remember about Russians imperalism...
Commonwealth of Litwa&Polska like in past would be best idea
Eastern-Central Europe should form a union of their own. Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia (if they ask nicely enough lol :D ), Chech, Slovakia, Moldavia... Under the name of Sarmatia!
They care about their nation abroad but dont care about other nationalities living in Poland. Look at the mirror Poles!
Read more books about middle ages war tactics. Read more books about Lithuanians and Samogitians way of war and you will understand what is retreat and what is tactics. Polish always think they are the best - 'Co to ja' but you are not and it is time to come back to planet Earth.
No one said that polish people are the best.We aren't better than Lithunians any way.We have common history and Battle of Grundwald is our common victory (one of many). We don't underestimate lithuanian contribution to this victory. The truth is that we could win only together (and this is how it's taught in polish schools).When we are talking about retreat-isn't planned retreat made in right moment an tactical manoeuvre? We should stop finding problems where there aren't any and solve real ones
Who is screaming here now. Poles are the best ine conspiracy fot the last 200 years. But the real power of Commonwelath was our cooperation (your tactics and our Hussars for example. (they originated from Serbian-Hungary light cavalry).
2 Dear Woloh, we remember of Grunwald, we learn about it since earliest years in school. We know that Lithuanian reatreat, discovered main Teuton forces and let the Union win. We know that father of Valdas Adamkus failed in Warsaw in 1939. We love your country and your peole and extepct love from you!
Where did u read about Lithuanian retreat in Tanenberg battle? in these day are lost books where is saying "that was tactic manevrue which lithuanians learned from mongols after battle "near blue sea" 1399 years. Read book W.Urban Tannenberg and after. many books saying what im saying. so give me book where u read that nonsense.
It's true that Great Duchy of Lithuania was inhabited in nearly 90% by Ruthenians. We can say now that our common history belongs to Poles, Lithuanians and Belorussians equally. We must remember about other nations to. In Commonwealth lived a lot of Jews, Germans, Tartars who were loyal to this great country and contributed to its glory. Greating to all
We could be one great brotherhood of blood and love. Today Poles of Lithuania are striking to reach rights of using their language and full voting law. My dear neighbours, we should share love, not just member of what's bad in the past. We should share our needs and feelings.
Why do we just say about our mistakes? Why don't we remember about our glories? People in my home want this commonwealth again!
Lithuanina poles have all their rights. they even have tjheir party led bu Tomaszevski,even and few candidates in parlement. There are no restrictions for poles in Lithuania - it has been confirmed by Lt institutions, and RECONFIRMED by European institutions after investigation.
I sometimes don't understand lithuanian Poles. I would like that Poles and Lithuanians live in brotherhood, we still have common problems (like 600 years ago), that we should solve, but we need to cooperate and not to quarrel without a reason
I agree with you that poles have lots of rights in Lithuania. But I heard that they still want to have two language information signs in regions where they are majority. In Poland its normal - in places where Lithanians (the same is with Germans) are majority they have two language information signs and it's not a problem to any one. It's hard to understand why Lithuanians don't want to give polish people living in Lithuania the same rights which have lithuanian people living in Poland.
Second thing I've heard is that polish people in Lithuania still want writing of polish surnames in polish (Lithuanians living in Poland can have all documets like id, passport with their lithuanian surnames - there is only problem with few lithuanians letters which don't exist in polish alphabet)
Poland and Lithuania should be friends and allies for ever but don't you think that we should all together solve problems which are important for second side.
so, in Lithuania russian, polish, german - almost any nationality's surenames are in their original language. Only with the exeption of the few letters that do not exist in lithuanian language. The same problem in Poland, as i understand? :) no cliche's...
we poles in lithuania are still discriminated by you lithuanians. We can not write our surnames so it sounds polish, you do not give us our lands in wilno and wilno area. so stop lying that poles have their rights in lithuania.
What are you talking about Woloh, Grand Duchy Of Lithuania was ruled by the Lithuanian elite not Ruthenians, Lithuanians were the reall citizens and Ruthenians and the rest of foreigners except Poles were simple peasants. There were alot of Baltic tribes in Belarus and parts of Ukraine before 800 AD. The conquered people in our lands outnumbered the Lithuanians. Lithuania produced heroes like Jogaila and Vytautas Didysis, i dont know any great Belorussian kings or dukes who did alot for LDK.
@McMIxTER I am Polish and I love you too. The most wonderful times of our nations are those when we were together and I believe that it was not one thing we will together
The problem is, that ppl like: Propanss, VideoShmideo1, ss90ss444 (<-- he's Lithuanian, not Finnish) and some more loves Nazis (yes, "Slavic cockroaches must die").
Pilsudski, Zeligowski can be Lithuanians in reality. The Polish (Russian for someone) language is some-how of an attribute for noblemen of former Rzeczpospolita. Pilsudski knew Russian also, and a language of nonnoble people who were around him - it was Bielorussain.
I hope anybody can really explain me questions mentioned below. I want anyone to show me the sense of the word "Lithuanian" for diffent centures. I'm tired of the words like "this duke/magnat/noble was a Lithuanian" and "by all means he spoke the Lithuanian language"... It is a proof of nothing. In bielorussian language there are two termins: Litva (LGD with its culture, dukes and magnateria, history) and Lietuva (modern state). They are not similar by all means. Or proove something else.
Litva is slavic name of Lithuania. Slavic languages lost diphthongs so thats why we have Vytautas - Vytovt, Kaunas-Cowno, Jaunutis - Jawnut. As we see, its enough only one rule and we can explain everything. In Lithuanian doccument of Wladyslaw Wasa in 1639 its written: "Mes Wladislaus Ketwirtasis Ketwirtassis Isch Diewo Malones/ Karalius Lenku / Diddisis Kunigaikschtis Lietuwniku / Guddu [...]". So King of Poles and Grand Duke of Lithuanians, Gudai(Ruthenians).
I realise that early indoeuropean languages obtained ending -s (-is, -as, -us) as for Greek, Latin, east Baltic. Then some west-baltic (as some scientists suggest) lost it. Then west-baltic names were adopted by other ethnic groups, e.g. slavs. East balts also adopted these names (and plus as, is,... to them, however they can have similar names) as also slavic names (Baranovsky-Baranauskas, Gudevich-Gudiavichus, Savicky-Savickas,... these names are with slavic/baltic stem).
i would love to answer your questions but i don't really understand what you would like to know. many poles called themselves lithuanian even though they did not speak the language. j. pilsudski and gen. zeligowski called themselves lithuanian and took vilnius from lithuania for over 20 years.
The main difference in our opinions in one thing. When I say LGD I mean modern Lietuva (-Prussian Lietuva, -Samogitia) + modern Bielarus (-Polacak, Mogilev, Vitebsk) + prob. Podlyshie. And when I say Lithuanians I mean the inhabitants of these very lands. I don't know what is original Lithuanian lands. I don't know what baltic language (-s) people who founded LGD spoke. I'm not sure how people of LGD called themselves during centures. I'm from Russia and nobody answered these questions here.
Real lithuanians are lost, mixed up somewhere in the lands of today's Aukštaitija (about a half of modern Lithuania's teritory) and today's western part of Belarus' (a little less than half the teritory of modern Belarus' - some historians call those lands previously baltic inhabitted).
2/2 So we, lithuanians call ourselves the true lithuanians, while we actually consist of nontheless than 5 different baltic tribes, true lithuanians being about the half of population (my oppinion). And many of today's modern belorussians call themselves true lithuanians, while their ethnicity consists of lithuanians, guthonians(balto/slavic) and several completely slavonic tribes. So, in a way, our both nations are genuinly lithuanian.
cause they were a minority without significant political and cultural influance to the polish-lithuanian commonwealth.
their nobility become poles in centuries of polish cultural influance and the peasants....well...pasants were peasants (no matter that from poland/lithuania or from territory of modern belarus and ukraine)
You said nobility were "poles". That's true. But peasants from Poland were not polish. You mentioned it. The term polish is an international. Orthodox and protestants, nobles who speak on a mess of Polish with other languages are "poles".
It was not a minority. Ruthenia + Slavic speaking Lithuania > Poland in population by all means. Poles is a synonym for nobles. Some of them were orthodox, protestant, muslim ... Hmelnicky is a pole, Poklonsky is a a pole, Radziwills are poles but they hated Poland. Then nobles became the part of modern nationalities, not only polish, lietuvian, bielorussian, ukranian, even russian. But the nobles mainly became the part of modern polish nation. The reason is Russia and just missunderstanding.
to: By A.Ł. na końcu mogłeś sobie podarować...
cama9103 4 months ago
6:18 Love this music
Isidoros47 6 months ago
I say that us Poles rly messed up back then, if we only have let Ukraine to be a part of our commonwealth along with Lithuania, things would have look a lot different now, most likely belarus would join this commonwealth as well just for the heck of it, just to be safe from commies and others ahoes conquering the europe. Together we could stand and tall and resist both Nazzi and Commie deluges, instead hatred took over our hearts and divided we fell one after another due to Hitler and Stalin.
Eternalamon 6 months ago
no coz, szkoda ze wszyscy poszli do siebie/ its a pitty that everyone went apart
rakuuu85 6 months ago
Since I'm a mere child, I'm trying my best to use simplified editions of the truth (whilst still being the truth) for the ease of comprehension. So, is this "commonwealth" somewhat like a marriage between Lithuania and Poland?
Also, while I'm still here, might I ask, how do you say Lithuania in Lithuanian?
mikurulove10 7 months ago
@mikurulove10 Lietuva
Tricamphis 7 months ago
Respect to strongest and longest union in europe's history POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH
michaligiel 7 months ago 7
Respect to Poland !!!!!!!!!!
jackjusten 7 months ago 2
Nieprawdopodobne, ale celowe pomieszanie pojec.Prawdziwa Litwa to Bialorus,a obecna Litwa to Zmudz+polsko-ruska Auksztota.Wilno nigdy zmudzkie nie bylo juz od 13 wieku bylo rusko-polskie.To pomieszanie jest wynikiem planowej i przemyslanej dywersji wywiadu niemieckiego.Wczesniej jeszcze,wywiad Rosji wymyslil'Bialorus',wiec nazwa 'Litwy'sama sie zwolnila,i tak powstal idiotyzm w przypasowaniu'Litwy'do Zmudzi-czas z tym skonczyc!,ale jak,moze ktos ma pomysl?
wladys678 7 months ago
In today's terms it was Polish-Belarusian Commonwealth. Wilno was located on mixed Polish-Belarus ethnic land and has never been a part of Zemaitya, that is equivalent of todays Lithuania. Zemaitya at the beginnig of 1400's conquered and brutally ravaged by Teutons, it was then saved though and recovered from death by joint Polish-Belarus victory at Grunwald 1410. The Zemaityan dynasty spoke Ruski language and were part of that culture, they were also intermarried with Ruski and Polish princes.
wladys678 7 months ago
@wladys678 You are very poor at Lithuanian and European history.
Belerusia was only a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. It was conquested. Born, fought and lived under Lithuanian flag.
Lithuanian ethnic lands are called Lowland Lithuania(Samogitians) and Highland Lithuania(Aukštaitians). Lithuania as a state was united in 1248 by King Mindaugas and started its expansion as every country did.
Battle of Grunwald was led by King Jogaila and Grand Duke Vytautas(GDL), joint Polish-Lithuanian army
EuWhitex 7 months ago
still love it Both of Them
tiptas 7 months ago
It's time for both countries to remember great history! And it's time to stop be angry.
Tfmachine1991 8 months ago
@Tfmachine1991 From Polish site it`s no problem. We not change the name of Stasys Eidrigevičius to Staszek Eidrigewicki... but You in Lithuania change Polish names by force to Lithuanian... and it`s violation of basic human rights of Polish minority...
licicaviki 7 months ago
@symusi2 Commonwealth.
rjpancerniCAUSA 8 months ago
@symusi2 Yes, it can.
Rzeczpospolita = Commonwealth
impact0r 9 months ago 2
@impact0r Rzeczpospolita to dwa słowa
Rzecz- wiadomo co to znaczy
Pospolita- dla wszystkich
Więc nie wprowadzaj w błąd ;)
ZjawaIX 9 months ago
@ZjawaIX Polskie słowo "Rzeczpospolita" jest kalką łacińskiego -określenia- "Res Publica" . To nie dwa słowa, a jedno. Poprawniej byłoby tłumaczyć na angielski jako "Commonwealth", niźli "Republic". Rzeczpospolita to kraj o ustroju republikańskim, tak jak Polska, rzecz w tym ze "Republic of Poland" to jakiś śmieszny błąd. Najpoprawniej i najładniej byłoby tłumaczyć jako "Commonwealth of Poland", choć już to okropne "Republic" jakoś się utrzymało.
T3hL0g1v4h 8 months ago 5
Polska ! :D
SirPiter94 9 months ago
Too bad most of lithuanians don't like polish ppl @ all and vice versa. Our nations have great, common history and we should stay friendly. Respect Lithuanian brothers. Pilsudski wanted to bring back our union, but his actions ruined this chance. SŁAWA!
rhaston01 9 months ago
@rhaston01 Poles are not very friendly with us... at least in Vilnius
LoveeDaisy 8 months ago
Poland-Lithuania was a remarkable nation. Greetings from the US.
TechPriest89 9 months ago 2
Greetings from Canada!
ugoodHomeBoy 10 months ago
Commonwealth ? why not a Republic ?
Republic of both nations
Rzeczpospolita obojga narodów ?
NeSStor89 10 months ago
Respect to Poland and Lithuania from Hungary!
Compantino 11 months ago 5
There are a lot of stupid jokes about polish people here in lithuania,but ive notoiced a lot of them coming from lower minded class people so funk them..i know shit about history lol but i know few poles and theyr extraordinary people,Actualy i havent met any pole that i dint like i dont know why i presume theyr good people!I like you all n i like my homebrewed lithuanians just wish the middle class would be a bit smarter atleast tolerant.anyways wish you all good times.See yas in Heineken !:D
respublikas 11 months ago
come on, lads! we have larger foes to counter (as always) than beating the same bush about Poland-Lithuania. We always have and always be brothers.
Rupertass 11 months ago 5
Co to za utwór??? Prosiłbym o link...
Madiewalman 11 months ago
i am lithuanian but i dont say that everything in GDL was pure lithuanian i agree with khulik that litvins or slavizied lithuanians were leading GDL after union but i dont like when belorussian nationalists say that vytautas was bellorussian or that lithuanians are samoghitians but i guess peapole have their opinion towards GDL history witch is both countries
mindyne123456789 1 year ago 3
@mindyne123456789 Hi, when they talk that bigger part was slavizied Lithuanians its not realy true, becouse everybody forgets population of humans in those times;)
ke5has 10 months ago
It's a bit out of topic, but i think it's interesting "weapon" in lithuanian language is "ginklas", and "defend ourself" is "gintis". So deffinition of weapon in lithuanian would be "tool of defence", or some sort of "defender" if be precise in english. There is nothing about attack or being offensive.
Greetings to poles and all other people with whom we were great republic
BlogizXIII 1 year ago 4
Tylko szkoda że historycznych Litwinów już prawie nie ma. A Ci obecni podszywają się pod nazwę Litwa jaki pod jej historię tak jak obecna Macedonia właściwie F.Y.R.O.M. pod Macedonię grecką. Koniec zakłamywania historii. Wilno i Wileńszczyzna dla Litwinów historycznych autochtonicznej ludności a nie dla bałtów chłopów ze Żmudzi.
leszek0506 1 year ago
Respect to Lithuania!!!!!!!!
CentralEurope55 1 year ago 38
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Abdulan1 1 year ago
@CentralEurope55
respect to your comment
KMTZ4U 11 months ago
@CentralEurope55
respect to your comment
KMTZ4U 11 months ago
Jestem przekonany, iz pewnego dnia potega Polski odrodzi sie... kolejny zloty wiek. Jak cudownie byloby dozyc tej chwili... o nic wiecej nie prosze :)
rainbowcrabb 1 year ago
@rainbowcrabb
Zgadzam się. Szkoda tylko, że patriotyzm zanika...
Denirosek 1 year ago
@rainbowcrabb
NIe jestem pewien, czy potrzebujemy potęgi. Wystarczyłoby mi, gdyby Polska była państwem prawa, na przyzwoitym poziomie ekonomicznym, gdzie większość ludzi chodzi na wybory i jest na tyle wykształcona, żeby dać na nich żółtą kartkę nierobom, warchołom albo złodziejom. Tyle.
alalupo 1 year ago
If we were so great, why don't they teach us anything about it here in the US? :(
dragonofthedarknight 1 year ago
@dragonofthedarknight i know :(
ThePolishGuy26 1 year ago
@dragonofthedarknight because for your history it's not important, USA dont care about Poland... And maybe what in US teach about Enigma? Probably that British solved code but it's poles did it. In ur history are many lies.
TheAqen 1 year ago 7
Normalnie : "Niech przesławna Rzeczpospolita co? NIECH ŻYJE!!". BTW - absolutum dominium ssie pałkę. Vivat Sarmatia! Vivant Sauromatae!
YouseckRebel 1 year ago 2
The story must also be told to the World of East Prussia - stolen and restored to Poland!
radiootoo 1 year ago
@radiootoo
The funniest thing is, that if III Reich would not start II WW, they would still have Silesia and Prussia. Now, there are almost no germans there (in Prussia). In part of Silesia there's only a few percent of them.
khulik 1 year ago
Pilsudski wanted to re-take Lithuania and Bialorus + Ukraina from USRR and "liberate" them. His intent (very selfish) was to create them as "safe border" between Poland and USRR presenting clear threat to Polish democracy. Thats why he took Lithuanian capital in 1919, and again I don't agree whith what he did ruining our relationships for no real purpose. I hope LIthuanian brothers will forgive Poland some day. Long live and greetings from Poland.
rhaston01 1 year ago
@rhaston01 The invasion of LT and Zeligowski Mutiny was only thing Poland did bad but I think at this time it was only realistic to at least get a piece of Vilnius because it was large city with Polish majority. I like LT a hell of a lot better then Ukraine.
ByzantineWarrior1 1 year ago 4
@rhaston01 But Wilno was inhabitet by Poles and Jews. Lithuanians intead of thinking chosed to be "alone". Pilsudski idea was great, creating reconstruction of Rzeczypospolita would prevent as us from bolshevia!!
rakuuu85 1 year ago 13
@rakuuu85 Yes, Pilsudski's idea was good, but don't forget that dominant party in Poland and city of Vilnius was Narodowa Demokracja, and they were against federations. Both sides are guilty..
egisz 9 months ago
@rakuuu85 Vilnius was created by lithuanians , lithuanian duke Gediminas before Gediminas it was caled sventaragio slenis and had the bigest pagan church or smth like that . archeologist founds more and more prooves
LoveeDaisy 8 months ago
i have a little blood of poland:),but more i am lithuanian!
Heke1959 1 year ago
@Heke1959 Lithuanians ours Brothers :)
WhitePolishPatriot 1 year ago 2
Szlachta o ktorej wielu mowi o zdrajcach i przedawczykach zbudowala podwaliny owego kraju. Polacy i Litwini powinni wspolpracowac jak dawniej, razem wciaz mozemy odbudowac owa piekna i potezna Rzeczpospolita.
MichalWolodyjowski 1 year ago
@MichalWolodyjowski Taa tylko Litwini maja do nas zal ze w 1919 r. zajelismy ich stolice : /. Juz widze jak z nami wspolpracuja.
Sauron340 1 year ago
lithuania poland hungary ukraine czech and slovakia must unite and become one great powerful nation so russians will never raise their hand on us .lets unite one for all and all for one otherwise we are in great danger soon or later
TheBrandon1001 1 year ago
@PatrickvonPatey Moim zdaniem nie można tego tak prosto rozpatrywać. Władza królów elekcyjnych została ograniczona do tego stopnia bo jak nasi zobaczyli rzeźnię na protestantach we Francji to doszli do wniosku że u nas taki król z dużą władzą oznacza wojnę domową i rozpad państwa które przecież było wielonarodowe i wieloreligijne.
SparrowNoblePoland 1 year ago
@SparrowNoblePoland
Trafna uwaga.
Problem w tym, że mieszkańcy I Rzeczpospolitej uwierzyli iż sama potęga państwa które zbudowali (powierzchnia ok 1mln km2) ochroni ich przed utratą niepodległości.
Mylili się.
Powinni jednak z czasem wzmocnić pozycję króla zwłaszcza w sprawach związanych z utrzymaniem stałej armii.
tofer4rp 1 year ago
@tofer4rp powtarzasz panie bracie propagandowe frazesy, które tłoczono Ci do głowy na wszystkich etapach edukacji. Nie powinni wzmacniać władzy króla, ale zlikwidować tę instytucję, ponieważ to ona była najsłabszym ogniwem ustroju i czynnikiem ciągłej destabilizacji. Niemal wszystkie klęski, które spadły na Rzeczpospolitą zostały sprowokowane przez królów.
prezesls 1 year ago
@prezesls nie wiem z kąd czerpiesz t brednie zagorzały demokrato ale zważ na to, że to co się działo było prowokowane przez zdrajców wewnątrz państwa jak i przez wrogów z zewnątrz, którzy korzytsali z tego, że władza królewska jest słaba zwłaszcza w schyłku 17 i przez cały 18 wiek istnienia Rzeczpospolitej a nie z powodu tego, że wogule istniał urząd króla gdyby nie on to by wogule nas nie było. u schyłku instnienia państwo było federacją państewek magnackich które nie słuchały króla--ucz sie
Rojalista1410 1 year ago 2
@prezesls
Pozwól, że zacytuję jednego z ówczesnych polskich szlachciców: "Król to wyjątkowo uległy poddany".
khulik 1 year ago
@khulik uwczesna szlachta dbała tylko o prywate i król w takim wypadku im przeszkadzał ale dla Rzeczypospolitej jako państwa był potrzebny i to z możliwice jak największą władzą aby dekrety mogły szybko być realizowane i reformy przeprowadzane-daleko nie trzeba zresztą szukać wystarczy spojrzeć na naszych sąsiadów i na ich system władzy to łatwo można stwierdzić że tylko silny monarcha był gwarantem niepodległości, a szlachta nie tylko u nas ale i tam dbała o swą prywate.
Rojalista1410 1 year ago
I don't give a shit about this commonwealth greeting's from Lithuania! I don't want to insult poles ,but Lithuanians look more to Baltics Latvians,Estonians and Northern Europe now.
verdefull 1 year ago
@verdefull We are not insulted, but who does not mind his history is bound to repeat it. When the time comes, and it will come when Russia wants to re-establish its hegemony over Lithuania, your Baltic and Northern European friends won't lift a finger to help you, and it will be Polish soldiers fighting for Lithuania as they have done since the 1380s. Greetings from Poland old friend
katarek65 1 year ago 7
if not fucking russians lithuanians would never join poland union...
verdefull 1 year ago
Glory!!!!!
123systemlord 1 year ago 3
zdradze wam sekret-liwtini nas nienawidza i te czasy wspominaja jako najgorsze, nawte sond nad jagillo zrobili, mieszkam na kresach to wiem, smutne ale prawdziwe
Franky901000 1 year ago 4
@Franky901000 to żaden sekret ,nie musisz mówić...przykre ale prawdziwe.. gdyby nie unia to litwinów rosja by zjadła. kto wie czy dzis byliby na mapie ,gdyby nie unia lubelska
Koona85 1 year ago
@Franky901000
tez tak mysle a gdzie mieszkasz???
TheBrandon1001 1 year ago
I hate then polish and lithuanians cant get along.Its new ages, its time to forget the past.says guy from lithuania
darijussan 1 year ago 2
@darijussan Very well said!
14nee 1 year ago
Oj Polsko gdyby nie to liberum veto ;\
Gdyby nie ten ustrój szlachecki;\
To takie zwycięstwa jak w 1612 czy pod Wiedniem ,Kircholmem,Kłuszynem czy Grunwaldem zdarzały by się jeszcze wiele razy...
Akorg123 1 year ago 3
Liublino unija....
Willshael 1 year ago
@Willshael Yeaahhh. I born and live in Lublin... :)
kaes2000 1 year ago
is there a film about polish-lithuanian commonwealth?
zik689 1 year ago
Long live Lithuanian :)
Hussar42190 1 year ago 5
long live
123systemlord 1 year ago
lukasz what facts in all history books are written that lithuanian conqured belarus part russia and part ukraine there isnt any word about belarus exept that lithuanians used ruthenian for writing documents
mindyne123456789 1 year ago
"Przede wszystkim narzucić Polakom nasz punkt widzenia na historię i na stosunki polsko-ukraińskie" nakazuje uchwała Organizacji
Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów z 22 VI 1990.
4frutti 1 year ago
A lot of old prophecies are feeling, of which the plot already largely came true, and which have one, shared thing not yet fulfilled: in the future Poles, Ruthenians (Belarus, Ukraine) and north Romanians (Moldova and even Transylvania) will be one state of free people. There are even some NEW economic books from west Europa and USA which there recall about empire on the Vistula in ~30-50 nearest years
vorsten 1 year ago 2
Somogitians are reall Lithuanians there language sounds diffrent from Aukstaiciai. Belorussians call them self's Lithuanians??.What are you talking about?Belorussia doesn't have nothing to do with Lithuania history.
verdefull 1 year ago
The official language of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was jęsyk Ruthenian or earlier form of the Belarusian language! Belarus is the heir of the Great Lithuanian! And it is today that Lithuania was formerly the Principality Samogitian! It is a strange paradox of history! But these are historical facts!!
lukasz007dudek 1 year ago
No it wasnt principality of Samogitian. I'm samogitian and I know history of my region. It always was an autonomic part of Lithuania (politcaly) and always was the part of lithuanian theritory ethnicaly and culturaly. If you like history, You should read a very objective book written in polish by M. Romeris, who was lithuanian pole.
gegrenas 1 year ago
What are you talking about? Lithuania And Belarus were almost always one country from the 13th century....
JungleDom 1 year ago 4
lol... dude! you lost 400 years of history :p
search in wiki or google
The Union of Lublin 1569 :)
Btw. Hungary, belarus, ukraine all we was brothers in XVIIc. until our power make enemy in our own country, we didnt respect enought ukraines, didnt give enought power to king, betrayers sold our kingdom, home war, and at the end 3 black eagles vs 1 white...
wojakov 1 year ago
@JungleDom
yeah but belarus in the 13 th century was much different half of them not even belarussians but many russians. now belarus is like russia not belarus i don't think that they have a mind of their own they do need so much help
TheBrandon1001 1 year ago
@verdefull
If you tell like that, you're a hipocryte. GDL had Slavic majorty (Ruthenian, today's Belrussian) and after Union of Lublin mainly Slavs were building everything.
Today's Lithuania is trying to tell us a lie, that it's an "only child" of GDL. Wait untill somebody non-communist will take care of Belrussia and it's history.
khulik 1 year ago 3
man!! i dont say that belorussian was peasants i say that biggest part noble peapole was lithuanians even if they were from belarus they spoke lithuanian and polish and thought that they are lithuanians .I dont want to argue you because everybody knows that GDL is both lithuanian and belorussian history but you have to admit biggest part of it was lithuanian beacause allmost all from noble society was lithuanians
mindyne123456789 1 year ago
man!!! who said lithuanian are russian? you never ruled GDL!!!!!!even your ocupation in 14 century was limited to colecting money from ocupying land. EVEN THOSE "LITHUANIANS" WHO SETTLED IN RUTHENIAN LAND WERE RUTHENIZED.official language in GDL was ruthenian. todays lithuanians are mostly descendant of somogotian peasants
gregy741 1 year ago
gregy you are belarussian ? if you say that all lithuanian are and were russians why nobleman called them self lithuanians and whole world exept sveral russian and belarrusian historics say that we are lithuanians and we ruled GDL no hard fealings but you trying to steal our history and make yours more beutifull i understand you becouse you dont have what to write in history books to children :D
mindyne123456789 2 years ago 5
In Poland most people (those with good historical education) treat Great Dutchy of Lithuania as a country of Lithuanians and Belarusians together. In our opinion you were mixed up together if we concider your history.
madziar999 2 years ago
GO LITHUANIA! GO POLAND! For God,Honor and Fatherland!!!!
guropl 2 years ago 6
Polish owes more to Ruthenians than Lithuania, it has always been more Ruthenian blood on our shared battlefields than Baltic. I respect the times when Poles, west Ukrainians, Byelorussians and Lithuanians shared Commonwealth, we always had many problems, but main impact which detroyed us was a treacherous rebellion of Cossacks. The attack from the inside aches the most, whatever their reasons were, betrayal is the worst!
vorsten 2 years ago 4
I don't know what really happened, but as I was tought at school, east ukrainians were pretty happy under lithuanian rule in GDL, and in time of the Commonwelth, poles took greater and greater parts of today's Ukraine into their controll, and perhaps came with a stricter rules forcing their culture on ukrainians, which led to those rebelions.
orkeer 2 years ago
mindyne123... you should know that people (all leaders)who made culture ,military achivements of GDL were mostly ruthenians not"lithuanians".today "lithuanians" are merely descendants of somogotian peasants.
kosciuszko,mickiewicz,sapiecha,chodkiewicz were rutenians.
vilnio was never inhabited by ethnical "lithuanians"it was polish-jewish city for centuries.today "lithuanian"language was created in 19 century
gregy741 2 years ago
Lithuanian language "created" in 19th century? And somehow it's still the oldest language in Europe. That's classic...
orkeer 2 years ago
Lithuanian language is the most archaic alive indoeuropean language. Do you mean written language? Yes in a part you are true, becouse Jablonskis and Būga wrote lithuanian gramatic, but that not mean that they created language. They just elaborated it scientificaly.
And the first book in Lithuanian was publiced in 1547.
gegrenas 1 year ago
belaruskibrit you should know your history belarus was created in 1990s after fall of ussr yes there was more belorusians than lithuanians in GDL but all leaders was lithuanians and dont you dare steal lithuanian history
mindyne123456789 2 years ago
belaruskibrit,
Samogitia is one of baltic tribes. The language with small differences is same as lithuanian. You should know, that lithuanian ) language is different than slavic.
The Duchy of Lithuania is today's Lithuania ( Lithuania was center with Vilnius, Trakai, Kernave of GDL) with teritory of current Belarus, which were started to incorporate into Grand Duchy in 13cent.
DonP271 2 years ago
polish and lithuanians people must kept thogeder
WALDI376 2 years ago 89
Unia Lubelska osłabila WKL?. Wolne zarty. Jak "silne" w owym okresie bylo to panstwo dobitnie pokazala wojna z Rosja w latach 1558-1570. Mimo pomocy ze strony Korony ktora w czasie trwania konfliktu wystawila okolo 300 rot WKL nie wyszlo z owego konfliktu zwyciesko, oparlo sie co prawda Rosji, ale kosztem ustepstw terytorialnych. Czy WKL przy owczesnym poziomie zaludnienia i skarbu moglo opierac sie samodzielnie narastajacej potedze Rosji, Szwecji, Turcji zachowyjac terytorialne status quo?.
ExodusX6 2 years ago 3
Odpowiedz wydaje sie oczywista. Rozumieli to zreszta sami litwini ktorzy przeciez do roku 1569 byli przeciwni dalszemu zaciesnianiu zwiazkow z Korona. Gdyby nie unia imperializm rosyjski, szwedzki czy pruski pozarlby WKL duzo wczesniej, ale kazdy ma prowo do swojego zdania. pzdr.
ExodusX6 2 years ago 3
Dokładnie...Unia z Polską była przejawem inteligencji, której często nie okazują nowocześni Litwini... bo dzisiaj sytuacja mniej więcej ta sama
ferdovit 2 years ago
Racja! Byłem w 2008 roku na Litwie i więcej tam nie pojade. Polaków mają tam za nic bo są przesyceni kompleksami. Czują się od nas niższi i tego się boją.
Michalpa93 2 years ago 2
You guys shouild no your history.
Todays Lithuania was know as Samogitia.
The Duchy of Litva is today's Belarus.
The Dutchy of Litva was the union of todays Lithunuai and Belarus. The officila state langauge was pa bielarusku.
Unfortunately we made the mistake of Lublin forming the Commonwealth of Poland and Litva. It weakened Litva so that it first fell to Tsarist Russia. The do-called 1st partition.
belaruskibrit 2 years ago
So thats why Vitout wrote that Samogytians and Auxsztotians are the same Lithuanians, with same language.
Official? By which doccument it was official?
egisz 2 years ago
@belaruskibrit Quite contrary. You formed the Commonwealth with Poland mainly because of threat from Muscovy (and Teutonic knights). In result of alliance with GDL, Poland got involved in wars and conflicts with "russians". If not for Commonwealth "Litva" could have ceased to exist much earlier.
It wasn't strong enough.
lorimika 2 years ago
I dont think so, the main reason of fall of Lithuanian-Polish state was the "democracy" of nobles (or better to say anarchy). Have you learned about it at the school?
gegrenas 1 year ago
... try to learn about liberum veto, that was the couse thats behind the fall of the commonwealth
Askudo 1 year ago 4
@Askudo. So what was the main reason of fall? Wars per se can't be, becouse also other countries had many wars in this period. I think the may reason was bad governing. Other states in these period where centralized with strong power of king. Liberum veto created the situation of chaos in governing. Many important decisions where abolished in this way. There where a lot of corruption in 18 century, especialy form the part of Russia, when veto simply was used to buy from Russia.
gegrenas 1 year ago 2
And we should recognize the situation that we have studied our history differently. I recognize that sometimes our historics where very romantic, and not all is true. But I think history is very subjective and we should be care about it, shoudn't offend each other becouse of different views. I think we can share our views, trying to understand each other. Sorry, if I've written something offensive, maybe my reaction was too emotional becouse I've see something that by my oppinion is not true.
gegrenas 1 year ago
Dear friend,
Samogitia was and is Samogitia. Now it's a lithuanian region, but it's not true that todays Lithuania was know as Samogitia. Lithuanian etnic territory was bigger then now. Samogitia always was a part of Lithuanian ethnic territory. You should see the map of lithuanian tribes in middle ages.
gegrenas 1 year ago
UNCORRUPTED in MENTALITY OF NOBLE destroy one of the greatest inventions-ADMINISTRATIVE POLICIES OF EUROPEAN HISTORY AND CLEAR WITHOUT FORGETTING THE NEIGHBORS Predator ABSOLUTE OF RUSSIA, PRUSSIA AND AUSTRIA.
ROCZONMAZUR 2 years ago
I regret that there's no Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth today, like it was for more than 200 years.
ThePalnik 2 years ago 3
well well lots of nice comments.Back in the days I remember stories from elderly, I heard a lot of not nice things about this ''Zechpotchpolita''. Ones was ilegal to have our own literature and people been ridicouled to speak their own language. Hope history stays clear. This is called business today, what happent back then.
Benuliukas 2 years ago
I think that was a russian propaganda. Dutchy was the most tolerance country in the Europe.
Rafaello122 2 years ago 2
i think he meant that lithuanian language was forbidden when we were a part of russian empire, not the commonwelth.
orkeer 2 years ago
every time i chat with a folk from Poland we always become friend :D i mean Polands are simply too friendly Cheers from Lithuania
McMIxTER 2 years ago 12
Rogvist - brak mi tylko paru napisów, by każdy wiedział co jest co, i kto jest kto - jak np. przywódcy :) Sam clip bogaty i ciekawy :) Jak zwykle dobrze dobrana muzyka.
Haszczu87 2 years ago
Brothers in arms,
Neighbors in farms :D
paupenas 2 years ago 11
Nice comment. Point to You. All the best from Poland.
ferdovit 2 years ago 5
Poland and Lithuania should be best friend like in past. We need to cooperate and remember our beatiful history, especially now when European Union become more and more socialistic . We must also remember about Russians imperalism...
Commonwealth of Litwa&Polska like in past would be best idea
jarako147 2 years ago 15
Eastern-Central Europe should form a union of their own. Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia (if they ask nicely enough lol :D ), Chech, Slovakia, Moldavia... Under the name of Sarmatia!
orkeer 2 years ago 2
@orkeer ...and Hungary :)
Sarmatia- sounds very nice. Unity is the key. We would be undefeated! I really wish we could form one great kingdom,
whereas now we are split into so many small countries.
P.S. Is it true that Poles don't have a good opinion in Lithuania?
paczkachrupkow 1 year ago
Yes, but like egual partners, and not "big brothers or sisters" politics.
gegrenas 1 year ago
Polish as always scream scream and scream
They care about their nation abroad but dont care about other nationalities living in Poland. Look at the mirror Poles!
Read more books about middle ages war tactics. Read more books about Lithuanians and Samogitians way of war and you will understand what is retreat and what is tactics. Polish always think they are the best - 'Co to ja' but you are not and it is time to come back to planet Earth.
Sultinys 2 years ago
No one said that polish people are the best.We aren't better than Lithunians any way.We have common history and Battle of Grundwald is our common victory (one of many). We don't underestimate lithuanian contribution to this victory. The truth is that we could win only together (and this is how it's taught in polish schools).When we are talking about retreat-isn't planned retreat made in right moment an tactical manoeuvre? We should stop finding problems where there aren't any and solve real ones
bbzzyykkuu 2 years ago 23
one of the smartest polish i ever heard :)
dartasweideris 2 years ago
Who is screaming here now. Poles are the best ine conspiracy fot the last 200 years. But the real power of Commonwelath was our cooperation (your tactics and our Hussars for example. (they originated from Serbian-Hungary light cavalry).
kaczypawlak 2 years ago
super Allianz
123systemlord 2 years ago
2 Dear Woloh, we remember of Grunwald, we learn about it since earliest years in school. We know that Lithuanian reatreat, discovered main Teuton forces and let the Union win. We know that father of Valdas Adamkus failed in Warsaw in 1939. We love your country and your peole and extepct love from you!
BartekPolak1994 2 years ago
Where did u read about Lithuanian retreat in Tanenberg battle? in these day are lost books where is saying "that was tactic manevrue which lithuanians learned from mongols after battle "near blue sea" 1399 years. Read book W.Urban Tannenberg and after. many books saying what im saying. so give me book where u read that nonsense.
MajorasLiepa 2 years ago
It's true that Great Duchy of Lithuania was inhabited in nearly 90% by Ruthenians. We can say now that our common history belongs to Poles, Lithuanians and Belorussians equally. We must remember about other nations to. In Commonwealth lived a lot of Jews, Germans, Tartars who were loyal to this great country and contributed to its glory. Greating to all
bbzzyykkuu 2 years ago
We could be one great brotherhood of blood and love. Today Poles of Lithuania are striking to reach rights of using their language and full voting law. My dear neighbours, we should share love, not just member of what's bad in the past. We should share our needs and feelings.
Why do we just say about our mistakes? Why don't we remember about our glories? People in my home want this commonwealth again!
BartekPolak1994 2 years ago 4
Lithuanina poles have all their rights. they even have tjheir party led bu Tomaszevski,even and few candidates in parlement. There are no restrictions for poles in Lithuania - it has been confirmed by Lt institutions, and RECONFIRMED by European institutions after investigation.
zaliasvelniass 2 years ago 4
zaliasvelniass:
I sometimes don't understand lithuanian Poles. I would like that Poles and Lithuanians live in brotherhood, we still have common problems (like 600 years ago), that we should solve, but we need to cooperate and not to quarrel without a reason
2peterus 2 years ago 2
I agree with you that poles have lots of rights in Lithuania. But I heard that they still want to have two language information signs in regions where they are majority. In Poland its normal - in places where Lithanians (the same is with Germans) are majority they have two language information signs and it's not a problem to any one. It's hard to understand why Lithuanians don't want to give polish people living in Lithuania the same rights which have lithuanian people living in Poland.
bbzzyykkuu 2 years ago 5
Second thing I've heard is that polish people in Lithuania still want writing of polish surnames in polish (Lithuanians living in Poland can have all documets like id, passport with their lithuanian surnames - there is only problem with few lithuanians letters which don't exist in polish alphabet)
Poland and Lithuania should be friends and allies for ever but don't you think that we should all together solve problems which are important for second side.
bbzzyykkuu 2 years ago 8
so, in Lithuania russian, polish, german - almost any nationality's surenames are in their original language. Only with the exeption of the few letters that do not exist in lithuanian language. The same problem in Poland, as i understand? :) no cliche's...
orkeer 2 years ago
we poles in lithuania are still discriminated by you lithuanians. We can not write our surnames so it sounds polish, you do not give us our lands in wilno and wilno area. so stop lying that poles have their rights in lithuania.
monkonmartin33 2 years ago
Polish people have forgotten that those people who they called "litvins" they live not in modern Lithuania, but in Belarus.
No offence, Lithuanians, but you are taking what is not yours. Not quite like Macedoanians, but very close.
And shame to you Poles! Shame to your short-lived memory. Remember who was with you from Grunwald, to Polonka, to Kościuszko.
Woloh 2 years ago
What are you talking about Woloh, Grand Duchy Of Lithuania was ruled by the Lithuanian elite not Ruthenians, Lithuanians were the reall citizens and Ruthenians and the rest of foreigners except Poles were simple peasants. There were alot of Baltic tribes in Belarus and parts of Ukraine before 800 AD. The conquered people in our lands outnumbered the Lithuanians. Lithuania produced heroes like Jogaila and Vytautas Didysis, i dont know any great Belorussian kings or dukes who did alot for LDK.
Legolasas26 2 years ago 3
I remember...
PoloniaSG 2 years ago
Greeting from Poland to Lithuana. Maybe in future we'll create new powerful country. Always in the same side with Lithuana.
artekolo1 2 years ago 7
6:20
Skopniety 2 years ago
Lithuanians hate poles :(((
LordKudisk 2 years ago
I don't think so but they have some reasons.
SparrowNoblePoland 2 years ago
@LordKudisk no well im Lithuanian and i love poles they are very friendly
McMIxTER 2 years ago 80
@McMIxTER And I'm Polish and I love you too. the most wonderful times of our nations are those when we were together
nonamefellow 1 year ago
@McMIxTER And I'm Polish and I love you too. the most wonderful times of our nations are those when we were together
nonamefellow 1 year ago
@McMIxTER I am Polish and I love you too. The most wonderful times of our nations are those when we were together and I believe that it was not one thing we will together
nonamefellow 1 year ago
@McMIxTER Yeah dude this is your history too.
Delta0311 1 year ago
@McMIxTER sure they should! And they will in the EU!
marcinsamek 1 year ago
@McMIxTER
The problem is, that ppl like: Propanss, VideoShmideo1, ss90ss444 (<-- he's Lithuanian, not Finnish) and some more loves Nazis (yes, "Slavic cockroaches must die").
khulik 1 year ago
Pilsudski, Zeligowski can be Lithuanians in reality. The Polish (Russian for someone) language is some-how of an attribute for noblemen of former Rzeczpospolita. Pilsudski knew Russian also, and a language of nonnoble people who were around him - it was Bielorussain.
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
Albaruthenica, surnames ending in "-ski" or "-sky" are always of Slavonic origin, not Lithuanian or any other.
robbyveggett 2 years ago
A to wtedy była Emilia Plater nie?
Duchovicius666 2 years ago
I hope anybody can really explain me questions mentioned below. I want anyone to show me the sense of the word "Lithuanian" for diffent centures. I'm tired of the words like "this duke/magnat/noble was a Lithuanian" and "by all means he spoke the Lithuanian language"... It is a proof of nothing. In bielorussian language there are two termins: Litva (LGD with its culture, dukes and magnateria, history) and Lietuva (modern state). They are not similar by all means. Or proove something else.
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
Litva is slavic name of Lithuania. Slavic languages lost diphthongs so thats why we have Vytautas - Vytovt, Kaunas-Cowno, Jaunutis - Jawnut. As we see, its enough only one rule and we can explain everything. In Lithuanian doccument of Wladyslaw Wasa in 1639 its written: "Mes Wladislaus Ketwirtasis Ketwirtassis Isch Diewo Malones/ Karalius Lenku / Diddisis Kunigaikschtis Lietuwniku / Guddu [...]". So King of Poles and Grand Duke of Lithuanians, Gudai(Ruthenians).
egisz 2 years ago 4
I realise that early indoeuropean languages obtained ending -s (-is, -as, -us) as for Greek, Latin, east Baltic. Then some west-baltic (as some scientists suggest) lost it. Then west-baltic names were adopted by other ethnic groups, e.g. slavs. East balts also adopted these names (and plus as, is,... to them, however they can have similar names) as also slavic names (Baranovsky-Baranauskas, Gudevich-Gudiavichus, Savicky-Savickas,... these names are with slavic/baltic stem).
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
i would love to answer your questions but i don't really understand what you would like to know. many poles called themselves lithuanian even though they did not speak the language. j. pilsudski and gen. zeligowski called themselves lithuanian and took vilnius from lithuania for over 20 years.
polishranger 2 years ago
Lithuania is country maded buy few tribes of Balts.
xMoNaco 2 years ago
The main difference in our opinions in one thing. When I say LGD I mean modern Lietuva (-Prussian Lietuva, -Samogitia) + modern Bielarus (-Polacak, Mogilev, Vitebsk) + prob. Podlyshie. And when I say Lithuanians I mean the inhabitants of these very lands. I don't know what is original Lithuanian lands. I don't know what baltic language (-s) people who founded LGD spoke. I'm not sure how people of LGD called themselves during centures. I'm from Russia and nobody answered these questions here.
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
Real lithuanians are lost, mixed up somewhere in the lands of today's Aukštaitija (about a half of modern Lithuania's teritory) and today's western part of Belarus' (a little less than half the teritory of modern Belarus' - some historians call those lands previously baltic inhabitted).
orkeer 2 years ago
2/2 So we, lithuanians call ourselves the true lithuanians, while we actually consist of nontheless than 5 different baltic tribes, true lithuanians being about the half of population (my oppinion). And many of today's modern belorussians call themselves true lithuanians, while their ethnicity consists of lithuanians, guthonians(balto/slavic) and several completely slavonic tribes. So, in a way, our both nations are genuinly lithuanian.
orkeer 2 years ago
Today we have in Poland some stupid american habits(f.ex. valentine day), we listening american music, we watching a
american films,we buy American clothes
etc etc etc etc
That mean we are american?
No! we still a poles we only take few things from their culture. The same like do it LGD nobility in times of Union.
NowyBpiotr 2 years ago 5
ím sure the LGD nobility spoke polish instead of lithuanian for a period of time, such a shame for the lithuanian culture and history
arminask 2 years ago
I nawet nasza kochana HUSARIA tam jest ukazana...
Glory POLAND,LITUANIA END HUSARIA !!!
FUCK OF russia
PANCERHusars 2 years ago
And what about ancestors of moderm Bielorussians and Ukraines? As I understand practically noone have mentioned them
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
cause they were a minority without significant political and cultural influance to the polish-lithuanian commonwealth.
their nobility become poles in centuries of polish cultural influance and the peasants....well...pasants were peasants (no matter that from poland/lithuania or from territory of modern belarus and ukraine)
andranEU 2 years ago
What are you speaking about?
egisz 2 years ago
You said nobility were "poles". That's true. But peasants from Poland were not polish. You mentioned it. The term polish is an international. Orthodox and protestants, nobles who speak on a mess of Polish with other languages are "poles".
Albaruthenica 2 years ago
It was not a minority. Ruthenia + Slavic speaking Lithuania > Poland in population by all means. Poles is a synonym for nobles. Some of them were orthodox, protestant, muslim ... Hmelnicky is a pole, Poklonsky is a a pole, Radziwills are poles but they hated Poland. Then nobles became the part of modern nationalities, not only polish, lietuvian, bielorussian, ukranian, even russian. But the nobles mainly became the part of modern polish nation. The reason is Russia and just missunderstanding.
Albaruthenica 2 years ago