Ron Paul is the only Politician I have ever heard say that the Fed is private and should be abolished,he also openly says the IRS is an illegal and unconstitutional institution and it should be abolished.You may have noticed this man speaks from the heart and is honest he even says things that may go against him in an election because he is honest.Everyone else lies to get votes.Ron tells the truth to get votes.If America does'nt vote him in they deserve what they get,an establishment lackie!!!
What I mean is people tend to confuse their actual geographical location, with political incorporation...or more properly "Mental fictions" or "States". Mere abstracts of the mind with imaginary boundries. I used to be a patriot type till I figured out that all these things were just opinions.Its like this...underneath all the paperwork(Statutes,Constitution,Ordinance,etc..) is a machine gun-it's based on violence,which means there is no amount of right paperwork you can do for them to stop
@THAWK3 You are right. Here's a thought; are you using your knowledge of the paperwork and your perception of the amount of deception that surrounds its use/application/influence in order to inform and organize those who you meet who are also becoming enlightened about their fraudulent government or have the machine gun-toting control freaks who consider themselves to be your superiors succeeded in creating such effective divisions among us that there is no hope of recovery?
Im a private contractor and I work in a different persons house almost every day, and some people are more receptive than others-I woud say 50/50. I try my hardest to help clear illusions people see. And because its ingrained in us from the start(Kindergarden-12)using school and advanced speech patterns and anchoring(NLP) people tend to have a very emotional response and think I'm attacking them-when im merely pointing out observations of reality.
@MsKymmi Sorry for delay. I got a letter from local SS office stating I am not required to have a SS number. I cannot advise you in any way but this is what I did, along with reading lewrockwell(dot)com and mises(dot)org and nossn(dot)com. There is much on the web that can help.
@MsKymmi What I try to keep in mind is that in 1776, The Founders wanted to create a land where the sovereign human beings would govern themselves. That is why they did not create the office of "King" and why George Washington refused to accept the title of "King". Folks, you are the KINGS and QUEENS of your own lives and destinies in this land. SS was set up to be voluntary and ONLY for social security, not to be a socialist universal identifier and tracking number, which it has become.
@MsKymmi Seems to me the only way any of the sovereign human beings of the several States of the united States can remove themselves from SS is to file for a revocation and rescission of the number with the national government. I have not done this and I don't know if it works or not. This is not advice and you must use a great deal of caution whenever you are dealing with a national government agency. I would not want to discourage you from pursuing this, however.
I went down to my SS office and tried to get out.She asked me do I know why I want to do this,and I told them I will not participate in a global socialist ponzi scheme and the lady got blank eyed and shuffeled some papers around and said she has to get her manager who then comes over with some IRS paperwork that I had to fill out-I asked her if the SSA was independent from the IRS she said yes,so I threw the paperwork in the trash.She had no idea what to do
When you say "citizen workers" of the United States" are you talking about the location united states, or Title 28 Sec. 3002 definition of "United States"?
The Geographical Location Known as United States,or the Politicaly Incorporated Entity Known as "United States" that is cleary defined in the above mentioned US Code at Title 28 Sec. 3002?
If you haven't read the US Govt. own definition of itself-you should.
Voluntary only to a point to if a cop arrests you, and you would have to wait until at least you see a majestrate or judge, if not longer. Reason? Because you do not have an I.D., at least in California you are required to give a social security number to get an I.D. They will detain you, for the reason of public safety because you could be anyone, including OBL.
@SimplyThinkDreams ~ I spent an additional 43 hours in lockup and was charged with an additional felony charge (later dropped) for not agreeing to provide identification or fingerprints. Ultimately they refused to let me go until I gave them both.
@CR4TES That sucks. Were you arrested for proper cause in the first place? Fingerprints are allodial property of the person with the fingers. To get mine, a person has to pay $1,000,000. If they were to force me under duress, then I would go after them for the million. The bright side to being in jail extra hours are the extra damages that incur. Of course, I do not know any of the facts regarding your case so I don't know if any damages took place.
Has that ever worked for you?Cause I'm sure it won't.
Why do people believe that if you show a psychopath the proper paperwork that they will leave you alone? See underneath all that paperwork you guys call "Statutes","Common Law","Constitutions" is a gun-The paperwork is meaningless.I mean do you actually think that by calling yourself "Sovereign" or getting rid of your SSN or Birth Certificate or saying your not a 14th Amendment citizen will get them to stop?
@THAWK3 Learning the law and applying has worked well for me so far. The key is to know the law much better than your enemy. Paperwork is extremely important because it creates a record; and, law, being a matter of record, speaks for itself. Applying the law is also the best way to remove corruption from the system. I know people who have successfully removed judges from office using writs of quo warranto, which is the proper remedy. It puts the burden of proof on the defendant.
@THAWK3 I don't understand what the point is you are trying to make. I never once mentioned anything about political law, whatever that is; rather, I was talking about using Corp. U.S. and the Corp. State statutes to control them and keep them from trespassing against my rights. If they do trespass then I use the proper remedy to seek compensation for said trespass.
Corporate US Code, olitical law are the same thing.What I'm saying is that they have the guns-arguing a statute or a law is frivilous-the point is to never take a position and question the facts of the case not argue opinions of dead lawyers who couldnt bind anybody to anything.Questions like "Is your jurisdiction based on my consent" or "Are you an expert on determination and interpretation on Said Law or Code" "Do u have evidence of a complaining party"
technically this is true. ts voluntary for sovereign citizens...the problem is theres no such thing anymore as a sovereign citizen. everyone in the us except high ranking officials are whats called 14th ammendment citizen, a class quickly created after the civil war to ensure a divided population...for us it is madatory if we want a loan, job, car, house... what a misleading question
The way I found out that participation in Social Security is voluntary for US citizens is I went to a local Social Security office and I ASKED them. It took some doing but with persistence and insistence, and a demand it be put in writing, I now have a letter that confirms the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security by the sovereign citizens (14th amendment or not) of the several States of the united States. You could do the same if you were so inclined.
The supreme court has ruled that the 50 states are countries with respect to each other but under the 14th amendment system you are participating in rebellion against your de jure country when you vote, through contract as well and that is why you have to pay IRS and so forth.. and are responsible for the national debt. watch all 6 vids for more info please watch watch?v=G1B33IvnJ4M&feature=ch annel_page
How do you work, get paid, apply for loans, apply for education or any other thing that requires a social? If you don't want to partake in that part of the Govt. (paying that is) then why should you be allowed to partake in other parts, freedom to do what you want, freedom of speech, protection as a citizen etc. You can't pick and choose what parts you want to do and what you don't.
Those things do not require a Social Security Number. In fact, the SSN is not even yours. Look on the back of the card. It must be returned upon request. This makes that SSN a trust owned by the SSA and Corp. U.S. The SSN is merely a capacity in which on may act if he or she chooses to. Your true relationship is that you are the trustee who can act for the trust. But it is never you who is acting. To do things you describe you must know the law and how to apply it. Send message fore more
Just so I understand: Social Security is voluntary...yet, didn't I hear that a few years back they mandated new born children as having to be assigned a social security number?
Also, if you have a social security number how can you get rid of it or otherwise "opt out" of the program?
If you don't have a social security number then you don't have to follow the law??? Is that right? I have heard similar things about birth certificates....
You Social Security Insurance makes you an employee of the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It is held in trust by the Queen of England. It is a control mechanism used to grant a de facto government authority over it's corporate franchisee's otherwise known as you. That's what gives their by-laws and statutes the "power OF law". There is no law unless you contract an agreement that they do have authority over you to say that you are subject to their laws.
I thank you (sir?) for your reply. You have been wronged by the very government employees who have sworn to uphold the Constitution, one of the founding documents of this Republic and a document that was designed to attempt to protect the rights of The People, and I think I can undertand your anger. Perhaps you could explain what happened, what led up to the event that has made you so angry and what has happened since so that one or more of us out here might be able to avoid the same fate.
I see no reason to use the kind of language this person (corporation?) uses nor do I see any reason to be as abrupt or abusive as he or she is. In fact, this kind of post always makes me suspect the person is a government plant meant to disrupt the exchange of thoughts and ideas, a red herring, perhaps. Are you a red herring, CORP7USAIS7BK? In any case, your comments are far too vitriolic for me to take them seriously. I'll stick with the government plant theory.
"Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes."
In title 27 CFR § 72.11 it says all tax crimes are commercial crimes.
The use of the word "persons" means it is contractual. It only applies to those in contract with the federal government. Show me the contract, you say? Just look at your social security card and read the terms of that contract in the federal statutes. You are presumed to know them! And no, there is no obligation to have a SSN or be any contract with the Feds!
I have a letter from the local SS office that states, in writing (obviously), "There is no law that requires a United States citizen to have a Social Security number". By extention, there cannot be a law that requires a US citizen to provide a potential employer with an SS number. Employers are just too willing to roll over to the IRS's demands.
incardia7 is right. Because it is a contract that grants a privilege, and thus a benefit, you cannot be forced to have it. You have the right to contract as you see fit which also means you have a right to NOT contract. Anyone that says you have to sign anything is lying to you.
The government elicits our consent, signatures, in many ways. They depend on our consent to rule.
Indeed. WE THE PEOPLE are the sovereigns in this nation and, as such, rule ourselves. That is unless we abdicate that self-rule through apathy, ignorance, being deceived, being coerced, etc. The whole point to bringing up the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security by the sovereign citizens of the several States of the united States is to show how we have abdicated our self-rule in this case through deception, mainly, but also through coercion and apathy.
Forgive me for taking this long to reply but I have been away from the internet. In order for you to obtain that same document, I might suggest you find the nearest office of the Social Security Administration, go there and ask them to provide you written proof that you, as a citizen of your State (or of the USA, if you prefer), are required to have and use a Social Security number. That's what I did.
It might be the case your employer is only required to ASK for a SS #, not GET a SS #. Deception, along with coercion, is rampant in nat'l govt. Rep. Ron Paul is trying to change that. Thank you for your observation and comment. Please remain skeptical and questioning. Our nation and its people depend on it.
It isn't voluntary if you want a job. Your employer and you are forced to give it to the gov't whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what the law says when it comes to our great rulers. They do what they want.
It is totally voluntary? The government won't say otherwise. It is the publics misconceptions that you are dealing with. Mostly the ignorance of the accountants and lawyers that advise these companies. We the people can be our own worst enemy sometimes.
Sir (I presume), thank you for your well informed help on this issue. The people of this country need all the help we can get to throw off the yoke of tyranny. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Why do you presume the entire Constitution was a "con" from the beginning ? I know we both agree the 14th Amendment was a "confidence job" to subvert our sovereignty. But I would reverse your above conclusion to read the other way around based upon my suppositional belief that the "spirit" behind our highest founding document was from its inception originally drafted as benevolent for the People and never an Oligarchy; and was never meant for evil until after 1868. Would you not agree to that ?
"the "spirit" behind our highest founding document..."
Madison didn't consider it the "Supreme Law of the Land": maybe for those engaged in counterfeiting or piracy.
"...originally drafted as benevolent for the People and never an Oligarchy; and was never meant for evil until after 1868. Would you not agree to that?"
I would not agree with that. It was never meant for the People but only for the Oligarchy. I consider republics to be inherently oligarchical.
Then what do you say about, or make of the use of the words, "WE the People" ? Would you say then that if they were really being honest, then they should have wrote "We the Oligarchy, do ordain this document for us and our Posterity, and not you nor yours" ?
Ron Paul is the only Politician I have ever heard say that the Fed is private and should be abolished,he also openly says the IRS is an illegal and unconstitutional institution and it should be abolished.You may have noticed this man speaks from the heart and is honest he even says things that may go against him in an election because he is honest.Everyone else lies to get votes.Ron tells the truth to get votes.If America does'nt vote him in they deserve what they get,an establishment lackie!!!
2wheels88 4 months ago
2 words
Lysander Spooner
His Book "The Constitution Of No Authority" has more truth in the first 10 pages than you will ever read in your life.
THAWK3 6 months ago
What I mean is people tend to confuse their actual geographical location, with political incorporation...or more properly "Mental fictions" or "States". Mere abstracts of the mind with imaginary boundries. I used to be a patriot type till I figured out that all these things were just opinions.Its like this...underneath all the paperwork(Statutes,Constitution,Ordinance,etc..) is a machine gun-it's based on violence,which means there is no amount of right paperwork you can do for them to stop
THAWK3 6 months ago
@THAWK3 You are right. Here's a thought; are you using your knowledge of the paperwork and your perception of the amount of deception that surrounds its use/application/influence in order to inform and organize those who you meet who are also becoming enlightened about their fraudulent government or have the machine gun-toting control freaks who consider themselves to be your superiors succeeded in creating such effective divisions among us that there is no hope of recovery?
incardia7 6 months ago
@incardia7
Im a private contractor and I work in a different persons house almost every day, and some people are more receptive than others-I woud say 50/50. I try my hardest to help clear illusions people see. And because its ingrained in us from the start(Kindergarden-12)using school and advanced speech patterns and anchoring(NLP) people tend to have a very emotional response and think I'm attacking them-when im merely pointing out observations of reality.
THAWK3 6 months ago
I have a social security number; how do I get out of it ?
MsKymmi 8 months ago
@MsKymmi Sorry for delay. I got a letter from local SS office stating I am not required to have a SS number. I cannot advise you in any way but this is what I did, along with reading lewrockwell(dot)com and mises(dot)org and nossn(dot)com. There is much on the web that can help.
incardia7 6 months ago
@MsKymmi What I try to keep in mind is that in 1776, The Founders wanted to create a land where the sovereign human beings would govern themselves. That is why they did not create the office of "King" and why George Washington refused to accept the title of "King". Folks, you are the KINGS and QUEENS of your own lives and destinies in this land. SS was set up to be voluntary and ONLY for social security, not to be a socialist universal identifier and tracking number, which it has become.
incardia7 6 months ago
@MsKymmi Seems to me the only way any of the sovereign human beings of the several States of the united States can remove themselves from SS is to file for a revocation and rescission of the number with the national government. I have not done this and I don't know if it works or not. This is not advice and you must use a great deal of caution whenever you are dealing with a national government agency. I would not want to discourage you from pursuing this, however.
incardia7 6 months ago
@incardia7
I went down to my SS office and tried to get out.She asked me do I know why I want to do this,and I told them I will not participate in a global socialist ponzi scheme and the lady got blank eyed and shuffeled some papers around and said she has to get her manager who then comes over with some IRS paperwork that I had to fill out-I asked her if the SSA was independent from the IRS she said yes,so I threw the paperwork in the trash.She had no idea what to do
THAWK3 6 months ago
When you say "citizen workers" of the United States" are you talking about the location united states, or Title 28 Sec. 3002 definition of "United States"?
THAWK3 1 year ago
@THAWK3 Please clarify.
incardia7 6 months ago
@incardia7
The Geographical Location Known as United States,or the Politicaly Incorporated Entity Known as "United States" that is cleary defined in the above mentioned US Code at Title 28 Sec. 3002?
If you haven't read the US Govt. own definition of itself-you should.
It's at the very bottom.
THAWK3 6 months ago
Please watch my playlist Monsanto enemy of humanity
please, send to all your contacts! we need to do something NOW
watch also Monsanto patent on pigs
lifeflower1111 2 years ago
Voluntary only to a point to if a cop arrests you, and you would have to wait until at least you see a majestrate or judge, if not longer. Reason? Because you do not have an I.D., at least in California you are required to give a social security number to get an I.D. They will detain you, for the reason of public safety because you could be anyone, including OBL.
ardentsentry 2 years ago
you no longer need to have a SS to get an id in California
joejoe58 2 years ago
No one is required to give a cop an ID. Although the cop may be ignorant of this fact, he could be sued for damages as a result of violating the law.
SimplyThinkDreams 2 years ago 3
@SimplyThinkDreams ~ I spent an additional 43 hours in lockup and was charged with an additional felony charge (later dropped) for not agreeing to provide identification or fingerprints. Ultimately they refused to let me go until I gave them both.
CR4TES 8 months ago
@CR4TES That sucks. Were you arrested for proper cause in the first place? Fingerprints are allodial property of the person with the fingers. To get mine, a person has to pay $1,000,000. If they were to force me under duress, then I would go after them for the million. The bright side to being in jail extra hours are the extra damages that incur. Of course, I do not know any of the facts regarding your case so I don't know if any damages took place.
SimplyThinkDreams 8 months ago
@SimplyThinkDreams
Has that ever worked for you?Cause I'm sure it won't.
Why do people believe that if you show a psychopath the proper paperwork that they will leave you alone? See underneath all that paperwork you guys call "Statutes","Common Law","Constitutions" is a gun-The paperwork is meaningless.I mean do you actually think that by calling yourself "Sovereign" or getting rid of your SSN or Birth Certificate or saying your not a 14th Amendment citizen will get them to stop?
THAWK3 6 months ago
@THAWK3 Learning the law and applying has worked well for me so far. The key is to know the law much better than your enemy. Paperwork is extremely important because it creates a record; and, law, being a matter of record, speaks for itself. Applying the law is also the best way to remove corruption from the system. I know people who have successfully removed judges from office using writs of quo warranto, which is the proper remedy. It puts the burden of proof on the defendant.
SimplyThinkDreams 6 months ago
@SimplyThinkDreams
I know plenty about "Law", enough to know that there is no such thing as "Political Law", only opinions of man.
THAWK3 6 months ago
@THAWK3 I don't understand what the point is you are trying to make. I never once mentioned anything about political law, whatever that is; rather, I was talking about using Corp. U.S. and the Corp. State statutes to control them and keep them from trespassing against my rights. If they do trespass then I use the proper remedy to seek compensation for said trespass.
SimplyThinkDreams 6 months ago
@SimplyThinkDreams
Corporate US Code, olitical law are the same thing.What I'm saying is that they have the guns-arguing a statute or a law is frivilous-the point is to never take a position and question the facts of the case not argue opinions of dead lawyers who couldnt bind anybody to anything.Questions like "Is your jurisdiction based on my consent" or "Are you an expert on determination and interpretation on Said Law or Code" "Do u have evidence of a complaining party"
THAWK3 6 months ago
technically this is true. ts voluntary for sovereign citizens...the problem is theres no such thing anymore as a sovereign citizen. everyone in the us except high ranking officials are whats called 14th ammendment citizen, a class quickly created after the civil war to ensure a divided population...for us it is madatory if we want a loan, job, car, house... what a misleading question
smitha3708 2 years ago
The way I found out that participation in Social Security is voluntary for US citizens is I went to a local Social Security office and I ASKED them. It took some doing but with persistence and insistence, and a demand it be put in writing, I now have a letter that confirms the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security by the sovereign citizens (14th amendment or not) of the several States of the united States. You could do the same if you were so inclined.
tell858 2 years ago
@tell858 is it possible for you to post a video of this letter?
ollenbergerstudios 10 months ago
@ollenbergerstudios Did you ever get a video of tell858's letter?
incardia7 6 months ago
@incardia7 No- I didn't. Did you send it to me ?
ollenbergerstudios 6 months ago
The supreme court has ruled that the 50 states are countries with respect to each other but under the 14th amendment system you are participating in rebellion against your de jure country when you vote, through contract as well and that is why you have to pay IRS and so forth.. and are responsible for the national debt. watch all 6 vids for more info please watch watch?v=G1B33IvnJ4M&feature=ch annel_page
Freihals1 2 years ago
How do you work, get paid, apply for loans, apply for education or any other thing that requires a social? If you don't want to partake in that part of the Govt. (paying that is) then why should you be allowed to partake in other parts, freedom to do what you want, freedom of speech, protection as a citizen etc. You can't pick and choose what parts you want to do and what you don't.
McKinoza 3 years ago
Those things do not require a Social Security Number. In fact, the SSN is not even yours. Look on the back of the card. It must be returned upon request. This makes that SSN a trust owned by the SSA and Corp. U.S. The SSN is merely a capacity in which on may act if he or she chooses to. Your true relationship is that you are the trustee who can act for the trust. But it is never you who is acting. To do things you describe you must know the law and how to apply it. Send message fore more
SimplyThinkDreams 2 years ago 3
Just so I understand: Social Security is voluntary...yet, didn't I hear that a few years back they mandated new born children as having to be assigned a social security number?
Also, if you have a social security number how can you get rid of it or otherwise "opt out" of the program?
If you don't have a social security number then you don't have to follow the law??? Is that right? I have heard similar things about birth certificates....
Comments?
mullahaliackbar 3 years ago
You Social Security Insurance makes you an employee of the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It is held in trust by the Queen of England. It is a control mechanism used to grant a de facto government authority over it's corporate franchisee's otherwise known as you. That's what gives their by-laws and statutes the "power OF law". There is no law unless you contract an agreement that they do have authority over you to say that you are subject to their laws.
wind0wninja 3 years ago
I fail to see how this is a relevant question. RP could simply hold a press conference and say so, were he to become president.
Where's the mystery?
And the issue is not about the worker's being informed, it's about their employers who tell them it's mandatory.
You pay in so you can collect later. Not only is your contribution voluntary, your collecting is voluntary as well.
950horsepower 3 years ago
I thank you (sir?) for your reply. You have been wronged by the very government employees who have sworn to uphold the Constitution, one of the founding documents of this Republic and a document that was designed to attempt to protect the rights of The People, and I think I can undertand your anger. Perhaps you could explain what happened, what led up to the event that has made you so angry and what has happened since so that one or more of us out here might be able to avoid the same fate.
incardia7 3 years ago
I see no reason to use the kind of language this person (corporation?) uses nor do I see any reason to be as abrupt or abusive as he or she is. In fact, this kind of post always makes me suspect the person is a government plant meant to disrupt the exchange of thoughts and ideas, a red herring, perhaps. Are you a red herring, CORP7USAIS7BK? In any case, your comments are far too vitriolic for me to take them seriously. I'll stick with the government plant theory.
incardia7 3 years ago
Lol wut?
Seiku 3 years ago
Thank you for getting the fact out. Did he answer your question?
My 2 cents is that the social security number has all the attributes of the mark of the beast, which is not forced, rather coerced on people.
ytBG 4 years ago
Quoting socialsecurity . gov:
"Persons working in employment covered by Social Security are subject to the FICA payroll tax. Like all taxes, this has never been voluntary. From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes."
AlchemistTraveler 4 years ago
In title 27 CFR § 72.11 it says all tax crimes are commercial crimes.
The use of the word "persons" means it is contractual. It only applies to those in contract with the federal government. Show me the contract, you say? Just look at your social security card and read the terms of that contract in the federal statutes. You are presumed to know them! And no, there is no obligation to have a SSN or be any contract with the Feds!
owensaruba 4 years ago
You have to go to the statutes. Any information contained on any government website is hearsay and inadmissible in court.
owensaruba 4 years ago
I didn't know it was voluntary. How do I get out? The Lord knows there's no money for me in it when I retire in 35 years.
AlchemistTraveler 4 years ago
I have a letter from the local SS office that states, in writing (obviously), "There is no law that requires a United States citizen to have a Social Security number". By extention, there cannot be a law that requires a US citizen to provide a potential employer with an SS number. Employers are just too willing to roll over to the IRS's demands.
incardia7 4 years ago
incardia7 is right. Because it is a contract that grants a privilege, and thus a benefit, you cannot be forced to have it. You have the right to contract as you see fit which also means you have a right to NOT contract. Anyone that says you have to sign anything is lying to you.
The government elicits our consent, signatures, in many ways. They depend on our consent to rule.
owensaruba 4 years ago
Indeed. WE THE PEOPLE are the sovereigns in this nation and, as such, rule ourselves. That is unless we abdicate that self-rule through apathy, ignorance, being deceived, being coerced, etc. The whole point to bringing up the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security by the sovereign citizens of the several States of the united States is to show how we have abdicated our self-rule in this case through deception, mainly, but also through coercion and apathy.
incardia7 4 years ago
Hello. Can you tell me how to obtain that same document?
DETROITREDD777 4 years ago
Forgive me for taking this long to reply but I have been away from the internet. In order for you to obtain that same document, I might suggest you find the nearest office of the Social Security Administration, go there and ask them to provide you written proof that you, as a citizen of your State (or of the USA, if you prefer), are required to have and use a Social Security number. That's what I did.
incardia7 3 years ago
It might be the case your employer is only required to ASK for a SS #, not GET a SS #. Deception, along with coercion, is rampant in nat'l govt. Rep. Ron Paul is trying to change that. Thank you for your observation and comment. Please remain skeptical and questioning. Our nation and its people depend on it.
incardia7 4 years ago
It isn't voluntary if you want a job. Your employer and you are forced to give it to the gov't whether you like it or not. Doesn't matter what the law says when it comes to our great rulers. They do what they want.
tesla921 4 years ago
W-4 - CFR § 31.3402(p)-1 and 26 USC 3402(p)1
It is totally voluntary? The government won't say otherwise. It is the publics misconceptions that you are dealing with. Mostly the ignorance of the accountants and lawyers that advise these companies. We the people can be our own worst enemy sometimes.
owensaruba 4 years ago
Sir (I presume), thank you for your well informed help on this issue. The people of this country need all the help we can get to throw off the yoke of tyranny. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
incardia7 4 years ago
"We the people can be our own worst enemy sometimes"
LOL we only become "We the People" (US citizens) by accepting Social Security.
neothomist1275 4 years ago
Why do you presume the entire Constitution was a "con" from the beginning ? I know we both agree the 14th Amendment was a "confidence job" to subvert our sovereignty. But I would reverse your above conclusion to read the other way around based upon my suppositional belief that the "spirit" behind our highest founding document was from its inception originally drafted as benevolent for the People and never an Oligarchy; and was never meant for evil until after 1868. Would you not agree to that ?
JustAboutMyPolitics 4 years ago
"the "spirit" behind our highest founding document..."
Madison didn't consider it the "Supreme Law of the Land": maybe for those engaged in counterfeiting or piracy.
"...originally drafted as benevolent for the People and never an Oligarchy; and was never meant for evil until after 1868. Would you not agree to that?"
I would not agree with that. It was never meant for the People but only for the Oligarchy. I consider republics to be inherently oligarchical.
neothomist1275 4 years ago
Then what do you say about, or make of the use of the words, "WE the People" ? Would you say then that if they were really being honest, then they should have wrote "We the Oligarchy, do ordain this document for us and our Posterity, and not you nor yours" ?
JustAboutMyPolitics 4 years ago