I support War Against Factory Farming, and I am sick of asshole conservative pussies who were all gungho telling us we HAD to support the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 or else we're "not patriotic" and then condemning MY right to free speech to advocate blowing up factory farms and killing meat-eaters and telling ME I shouldn't support war for MY reasons.
Meat-eaters and those who oppose the War Against FF are unpatriotic cowards guilty of treason.
Great lecture! Even if you aren't ready to give up eating meat completely, please cut back and find out where it's coming from. Small farms, where the animals have open space, use far less antibiotics and can often compost the waste. Factory farms are one of the main threats to our planet and the only way to turn the tide is by not financing them.
@ilikevines Ah you fucking stupid? What he means is that we can get better at caring, just like a muscle can get stronger when we use it more. Just like he said. How is that hard to get?
@jp03921 Either raise your own chickens or just stop eating eggs. Humans don't need to eat eggs to survive or even eat tasty foods. In fact from a health perspective you're probably better off without that cholesterol.
You have missed the whole point of what I have said, and now what you have said as well. You are also still not getting that even if we stopped, and killed what was left, and then just restarted without slaughtering animals...do you expect that nature will not bring the population back up? Did you not get the buffalo comment I made earlier? And I get everything that I am saying and I have done the research, the questions I am asking are to you because you obviously dont have a clue.
THIS IS A LIST OF JUST A FEW BEEF BIPRODUCTS, now tell me you have nothing to do with animal slaughter... from hide and hair: Car upholstery, LEATHER. From Bones and Horns: Ice cream, Candies, Vitamin capsules, Chewing gum, Lipstick, Wallpaper paste, Photo film. From Organs: Asphalt, MAKEUP, Fertilizer, Insulation in YOUR house, Livestock feed, Medicines, Paint, Plastic, SOAP, TIRES. ITS ALL AROUND US.everyone is going to have their opionions. but LEARN THE FACTS, from educated agriculture peers
I don't think using animals for meat is morally wrong, but mistreating them and now allowing them to live a healthy, good life while they're alive is wrong, and eating an animal that has been abused is wrong. Factory farms are THE source of most meat in the US. If you've ever had meat from a fast food restaurant you've eaten meat from an abused animal.
This guy is not very smart. This is a horrible video. How is not eating meat like taking five million cars off the road? This is a bunch of crap and its people like this guy and people who agree with him that are flushing this country down the crapper.
@MrBeefEaters You know, I haven't researched the claim, but I imagine it has something to do with the amount of resources transported to sustain modern agribusiness.
When he says 5 million cars off the road, it's the equal amout of fuel and green house gases that the meat industry emits to the atmosphere when it produces 1 meal of meat for every American. So indirectly, when the demand for meat lowers in the future. so as the production...eventually. Which is probably the most efficiet way than buying a Prius instead of a Hummer. Do your reseach b4 judging and insulting. Do you need me to dumb it down more for YOU? Grow up.
@kennomura1 Wow...you did dumb it down by spitting that crap from your brain...if you have one. Lets think about this for a second...if we didn't slaughter cattle for meat consumption then they would just be free to roam and wouldn't have anything really to keep there population in check. SO THEY WOULD BE PUTTING OFF WAY MORE "GREEN HOUSE GAS" IF THEY WERE ALIVE jackass! An animal that isn't slaughtered doesnt just stop crapping jackass. Or do I need to dumb this down more for you?
@MrBeefEaters This is the dumbest arguement to continue factory farming i've ever heard. The only reason their numbers are sustained is to continue the industry. You're argument is akin to this: a drug addict should never quit drugs because then what would we do with all of the leftover drugs on the earth? They would go to waste! It's completely retarded. When Factory Farming does eventually fall, the remaining cattle will die naturally in a peaceful way, living how they wish, happily.
@SuperAnimalDrummer Well I really should waste my time replying to an idiot but what the heck, its sunday. Way to try and compare what I said to drug use numbnuts. If "factory" farming does fall I hope you who push for it can go look your friends in the face and tell them they are going to die of starvation and youre the cause. So it seems you are for cows just not being in existence at all seeing as though you think that once farming is stopped all of them will just die off
@MrBeefEaters starvation? its as if you think animal products are the only calories available. you're ignorance and meat-eaters bias is astounding. %80 of the corn grown in this country goes to feed factory farm animal. producing meat takes a tremendous amount of water and calories, making it energy inefficient. we could feed many more people using that %80 to feed humans, so you're argument is null and void. Do you not understand the concept of spay and neutered? take away reproductive capacity
@MrBeefEaters excuse me for not using the scientific term designated for cattle "spaying", you dork. you know what I meant anyway, so don't be an asshole. I know about nature. I love nature, and I know how brutal it can be, and how beautiful it can be. factory farming presents nothing of naturalism, and none of the dynamics that go into a predator/prey chase exist within a factory farm, so don't bring up naturalism. it makes you look stupid. prey are evolved to, and have the chance to get away.
@SuperAnimalDrummer and you would like them all "spay and neutered" which is funny because that right there shows you know nothing about it, they don't use that terminology for cattle retard. It shows me that youre a kitty and puppy person and you think all animals should just frolic and play. Grow up hippie, learn about the food chain, learn about the animal kingdom and how animals eat other animals. Do research before you just think farmers are doing the wrong thing.
@kennomura1 Look at the facts and you will see that the green house gases that are emitted from large farms is very very small. But I wouldnt expect you to know that since you really seem to know nothing. But just one thing I hope you get from this is that...if you really think animals are the cause of large amounts of green house gases, and thus, global warming (which is what I am sure your getting at) Then it would be better if they were dead than alive.
@MrBeefEaters Wow, I can't believe this, haha. Your comments are just getting funnier. Can't stop laughing. How old are you? Still in high school? Okay, there are about 1 million animals being slaughtered every hour in the US alone. How do you think they came to Earth in the first place? Was it natural? Did God create them? No. Humans bred them in farms. When the demand rises, so does the supply. That's why we're trying to change from as consumers, while lobbyists can work on the macro level :)
@kennomura1 Oh way to try and red harring the argument. If you know what that means. So again, for the second time, lets say we stopped slaughtering right now, you think all those animals are just going to stop reproducing? Damn you are dumb. It would be better if you were still in high school, then you would have an excuse for how stupid you really are. I dont believe in god anyway which is your whole problem. I am not saying believing in god is bad, except when you get preachy people like you
@MrBeefEaters Okay, Although my previous statement already proves my point, but let me dumb it down for you MORE. This would be my second and last attempt to explain this. Even kids get it haha. Most of the animals that are responsible for the methane, are in fact DOMESTICATED FARM animals, so they're NOT wild natural inhabitants. Humans BRED them. Get it? Btw, the avg American eats 3 times the East Asian average, and 40 times the average in Bangladesh. Seriously, how old are you kid? so funny
@kennomura1 and if the demand for meat does lower...do you think that livestock will just stop reproducing in the wild...stop crappinging the wild. If you knew anything you would know that in the history buffalo were very very think, in fact so thick it was said you could walk on there backs for miles. How much green house gas do you think they were putting out? Do you even think about the things you write?
@MrBeefEaters There are way way way more numbers of farm animals that exist today than there was ever before in the history of the world. End of discussion. I win :O
@kennomura1 Ok...I guess I have to dumb down even more what I was saying to you. Lets say youre right and every hour 1 million animals are slaughtered in the US, so if we stopped slaughtering right now, you think all those farmers are just going to keep raising those animals, or let them go (kinda like whats happening with the wild horse population since they banned horse slaughter whcih is a travesty) so in one day there are 24 million animals released into the wild
@kennomura1 so again...do you think those 24 million wild animals are just going to stop breding...stop crapping? If you do then there is no getting through to you because you are as dumb as a rock. My guess is since you keep trying to make fun of me you are not very old yourself. Because if you were an adult, you are a very very childish adult. " END OF DISCUSSION. I WIN." that is something a child says. Also the fact that you just keep throwing random "facts" (which arent true at all)
@kennomura1 in to try and prove you are smart is pathetic. You should check your "facts" before you put them out there for the world to see becuase it makes you look real bad when they are wrong kinda like you are now. I really hope you try and come back at me. I enjoy reading your childish responses. I also enjoy reading your unchecked "facts." Maybe you did check them just on wikipedia, that would be funny. You think you are showing how smart you are but all youre doing is embarrasing yourself
@MrBeefEaters ....No dude. We're talking about a gradual process. The transition of decreasing the amount of cattles and other animals bred in farms would be slow but it is possible when the demand for it goes down, at least ideally. Although it's hard bcs all the other developing countries are begining to consume more meat as a status of wealth. I never said we have to stop killing all animals today and let them loose in the wild all of a sudden. Unfortunately, those that already exist will..
@MrBeefEaters ..(continued) will be slaughtered. But the point is to breed less animals from now on. That's tha part that was missing between our discussion and insults. Well, I kind of estimated that you knew that already,...I guess not. haha Do u finally get it now? Less animals bred from now on = less methane and co2 emmision in the future. Those that exist will have to be killed unfortunately.
@kennomura1 Yeah...and the less that is produced, the more people on this planet that starve to death. Plus the deficiencies that come from not eating meat. But hey, when the world spikes to nine billion like projected, you just go ahead and tell a third of the people you know that they can no longer be fed and that they are going to starve because you didnt want to slaughter animals for food anymore.
@MrBeefEaters You've missed the whole point of the video dude. Currently 1% of the population holds 40% of the wealth. To tell u the truth, there is enough food and resource out there to feed all 7 billion people. But unfortunately, they are not distributed equally. Thats the whole point that the world is gettin at right now is to modify our diet, the market and the agrisystem as a whole. Do you actually mean all the stuff that u type? Cos most of them are answerd already in tons of sources.
@kennomura1 I think you are thinking that when we stop slaughtering animals that those animals are suddenly just gone from the planet never to reproduce in the wild again.
@kennomura1 Wow, you really are mentally retarded. I am sorry for picking on you. I will try and explain this in a way you can understand. You said, we need to stop slaughter. I said, If we did then there would STILL BE COWS ON THIS EARTH which would in turn keep breeding. You are one big numbnuts that doesnt get anything. If you couldnt see I was talking about a furture which you talk about then you are a damn idiot. I feel sorry for you, andeveryone that has to put up with you on a daily basis
@MrBeefEaters Those cows that are living in the wild are not "agrressively bred" in the rate of factory farming so they are not a threat to the ecosystem. All the animals in the wild are regualted just fine by the nature of law and natural selection, at least most of them. Thanks for caring about my well-being but I'm a rather happy individual with recognitions from peers, teachers, professors, NGO groups for what I do. Your judgement on me has not affected my life at all. Why are so angy man?
@kennomura1 Hmmm, thank you for trying to play psychiatrist but I am not mad at all. I just know you are stupid. If you remember you were the one that started with the insults against me. So, why are you so mad? And I really dont believe you about what you say, anyone can say anything on this, like, oh I dont know, I have three doctorits and know everything about everything. And again....go to the buffalo comment...its all there.
@MrBeefEaters Okay, so I researched about 5 sites and they state there were about 60+million buffalos in the old days. Only 60 million? The U.S kills about 10 billion animals every year. The methane emissions coudln't have been worse centuries ago. No way. I don't get your point simply cos it doesn't make sense.
@kennomura1 Well thanks for that other comment on my profile I guess, which you can see I use a lot...anyway. Do you know what inflation is? So I am glad you "researched"...I don't really care though since like you pointed out, you dont get much. And you are welcome for the insults by the way. The funny thing is is that you said you just went along with the aggresion...I bet you just go along with a lot of things without knowledge of what your doing...like your whole argument here.
@MrBeefEaters I did see your other arguments with other ppl. You now what? I can only imagine you're doing all these on purpose cos it only really doesn't make sense anymore. Perhps, you're faking it. Maybe you're for real. If you are, are u some kind of red neck living in a small town or did u ever go to school? Have u been out of the country b4? When u call others sheltered and stupid, I just laugh so hard bcs you just sound like one. You're a loser, admit it.
@kennomura1 Awww, someones getting a little flustered. I see now you have resorted to stalking me. Great, I have a dim witted stalker. I know why you laugh at things that arent jokes...but I guess you dont. A lot of stupid people dont get that they are stupid...you must be one of those people.
@MrBeefEaters When we do end factory farming, it wouldn't be that hard to neuter and spay the remaining cattle so they do not breed, or simply seperate the sexes, and let them live out the rest of their lives. The logistics of this scenario are not a reason to continue factory farming, therefore making that scenario an impossibility anyway. Factory Farming needs to end, and if it weren't for ingoramii like you around, it would be already be done. It is my lifes work to end this godamn industry
@SuperAnimalDrummer you just dont get it. I am a farmer, I have gone to college for the area that I work in. I have done the research, I know, before you start talking out of your ass you should do research yourself. You are going to waste your life trying to bring it down because people need to be fed
@MrBeefEaters ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS, and people needing to be fed has nothing to do with the oligopoly that exists in the agricultural industry, with four corporations controlling over %90 of the market, and existing only to acheive economies of scale, cut costs, and increase profits to shareholders, all at the expense of ethics entirely. the meat factory farms provides kills people and makes them sick, so don't even talk about feeding people. the industry cares for profits, not people.
@MrBeefEaters if feeding people was really the concern, people would be healthy, not dying of heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. You must be a shill for the industry. shame on you.
@SuperAnimalDrummer Ok...youre just as dumb as I suspected. "Don't be an asshole" Im sorry, you were the asshole first. And calling me a dork, nice, are you 12? You probably are arent you. Just because you "observe" nature and "love" nature that doesnt mean you know anything about anything. Your "facts" that you present, are way off. You really need to do research rather than just listen to hippies or other animal rights people like yourself. Look at the other side of things
@MrBeefEaters Hi. I researched SuperAnimalDrummer's information and couldn't find anything amiss. We do feed the vast majority of corn/soy to nonhumans. The meat/dairy/egg industries are controlled by 3 major corporations. By fattening animals this does deny about a billion humans access to food. There are terrible (meat related) illnesses and diseases.
@SuperAnimalDrummer before you spew shit out. I also never once brought up naturalism so you saying that makes you in turn look stupid. I am sure that lions would pen zebras up and eat them at there leasure they just dont have the ability. We, humans, which are ANIMALS, do. What will you eat when the population of the world takes up all the good farm ground? I hope you can live on sticks and rocks. You animal rights people are so blinded by your hate for animal producers
@MrBeefEaters It is for the very reason of increasing population that we must begin adapting to a plant based diet. Fattening animals for consumption is terribly wasteful on resources. Not to mention the antibiotic resistance animal ag creates.
A vegan can live on less than an acre of land while it takes more than 3 to support a meat diet. It is animal agriculture that will starve us - poison us - or drug us to death... Not a sustainable plant based diet.
@SuperAnimalDrummer that you dont even look at or care about the other side of things. Meat that farms produce doesnt kill people, you have no idea what youre talking about. It doesnt make people sick or kill them and if you think of a few cases where it has I can show you a few more where your precious vegetables have made people sick and killed them to. Nothing is perfect but the fact of the matter is is the animal industry puts a lot of money into making sure the
@MrBeefEaters Animal ag is contaminating "precious vegetables". The run off of manure from factory farms is how spinach, tomatoes, etc. get ecoli --- Salmonella and Listeria also do not originate from plants - But from the gut of animals.
@SuperAnimalDrummer products they produce are safe. If you think I am lieing, you yourself said that its all about making money, well if you want to dumb it down to just that then fine. It is not all about money but if it was why would an industry put out a product that was unsafe? I mean if I sold something and it was killing people, I doubt they would buy it, which inturn would lose me money. So by that fact alone, logic dictates that the products are safe.
@MrBeefEaters The "products" are safe? I follow the recalls... I'm very aware too of the anitbiotics in meat. It's obvious our health is declining in western cultures.
Furthermore and most importantly - It is not sustainable. It takes 6 times the grain to fatten animals than what could be fed to humans directly.
@SuperAnimalDrummer I am sorry that you are so blind and ignorant, I dont think the animal industry will have to worry about you much longer though, I am sure the group youre part of will drink the coolade soon and youll be taken to your ship on the dark side of the moon. Dont forget your tennis shoes and track suit.
@kennomura1 You think that the fuel and green house gas to make one meal is the equivalent to 5 million cars? Are you freakin retarded?You must be if you think thats even close to being true. We would have totally fucked the ozone way before now if that was true,mcdonalds says billions and billions served, take that times 5 million each and you have a shit ton of gas.There is so much wrong in your tiny freakin brain its not even funny. I was going to just laugh at you but you are really just sad
@Charlieseaster, even though they do not need it in their diet, their argument from choice for whatever arbitrary reason will create a need anyway, so your argument is true, but irrelevant.
@sarakathleenwirth Not quite. It's healthier than the average American commecial diet, but to say that one diet fits all is flat out wrong. Everyone is different. People are faster oxidizer than others. To say that one diet fits all is wrong. Everyone does realize that plants love eating dead animals right? Without death, there wouldn't be life. People need to realize this.
@timmyxdl Instead of asking what's natural, let's ask what's compassionate. Can you say that slaughterhouses and factory farms make you proud of humanity, or that they represent the best side of us?
@Pilaf1984 Can't argue with Factory farming at all. It's horrible and disgusting. I don't like it one bit. I don't eat that imitation meat. I buy my real meat from sustainable farms. I only eat organic, pasture/humanely raised meat. Yes it was slaughtered, but hey? That's life. People die, animals die, animals kill other animals, humans kill animals, animals kill humans. Like the Lion King said, it's the circle of life. That's just the way it is. We all can't get along....
@timmyxdl Its good that you see factory farms are bad but I have to disagree with the rest of your comment. With the attitude 'animals kill other animal' does that mean it is ok for humans to rape other humans? After all other non-human species are well know to force sex upon each other. The truth is, we have the ability to make a moral choice. We are not living in the third world with limited food resources. We have alternatives, ones which do not cause unimaginable suffering and destruction.
@amberdaum We have alternatives that do not have unimaginable suffering and destruction? Do you even realize how much back breaking labor agriculture has? You ever work on a farm before? Also, have you seen the documentary "America Today: Children of the Harvest"? What about the efficiency? If the whole world went Veg, looks like everyone will give Monsanto more money. You do know who Monsanto is right? Do you know how much environmental destruction agriculture caused?
@amberdaum I can't argue with mother nature with animals forcing themselves on other animals. I gotta let the wild and nature take it's course. I don't know how fully aware animals are. Humans are different since we are descendants from apes/gorilla/chimpanzees...We do have the ability to make moral choices, yes. Some people need meat like myself. My body craves meat and saturated fat for a reason. Also, if I eat a ton of vegetables with no sat fat/protein, I'll crash and become irritable.
@amberdaum We can't compare ourselves with other species...I mean seriously...We are the only species that are completely different from the others. We are the only species that eats cooked food. We are the only species that has the ability to do what we do. We are the only species that has destroyed the whole world. I think it's silly to compare us with ummm a tiger...in the regards of moral choices.
I'm a carnivore or omnivore! Kosher food is the best if we can afford it, or natural foods, wholefoods, or organic, to save the planet, the people who are hungry. I don't eat meat everyday. I eat soy because I'm lactose intolerant! But occasionally I eat dairy. Once I tried to eat grass when I was younger. Food, economic and environmental/global crisis. I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but occasionally I am. WHen I don't feel like eating seafood or meat. I'm not American but I live in America, NY.
I don't ever see myself becoming a complete vegetarian but I will move more and more that direction. I love steak and burgers but I choose to eat grass fed meets whenever possible. The taste of grass fed beef is sooooo much better anyway. The fact is you vote with your $ so the better you eat the better the supply will become.
um. It does take 6 calories to make 1 calorie of meat. But, over 80 percent of feed used for raising livestock are from by-products. So the statement about how there would be less world hungry is completely asinine. In fact are land field would be filling a lot faster. I also don't see how taking away one serving a week would take away 5 million cars. It doesn't make sense.
If people don't think they can make a difference, they can't. Yes, not eating meat doesn't fully mean that one lonesome cow a day will be saved because you became vegan or vegetarian. But, if you inform other people, and they thus inform other people, it can turn into a revolution. It would just be nice to see less murder going on. I don't know, I'm just really getting tired of seeing how many damn animals suffer a day because of greediness.
Ever since I was a 2 year old i've been a vegetarian, almost vegan. And i'm really healthy, which proves that you do not need meat in your diet. The only thing you actually need in meat is protein, which can be found in nuts, seeds, soy milk,grains, beans, tofu, etc.
If we remove 1 days of meat then it would be the same as taking 5 million cars of the road.
So going by that logic 7 days free of meat would be the same as taking 35 million cars of the road.
There are currently 125 million cars on the road in the USA. So that just cuts that number down to 90 millions. That doesnt really seems like a very staggering reduction.
Wouldnt we be better off walking to work? Rather then not eating meat. Win. Win. except for the Cow.
He said serving, not day. I have no clue what the average amount of servings of meat per meal is, but I am guessing it is very high. The amount of greenhouse gases produced from making meat is higher than all transportation combined.
Sigh I looked over the info and that is not what they said on the EPA site at all. So much misinformation. And your values(which you interpretted incorrectly) are from 2007... don't post stuff unless you know what you're talking about please.
This guy is kind of right-.Just eat Organic produce and grass fed/pasture raised meats Every day!
I can't Beleive this guy said-"Cage free and free range Eggs" aren't better for us or tastes better??? ! He should try eating them raw -and there is no doubt that the eggs are better for us-Higher Omega 3 to 6 ratio plus grain fed ,antibiotic injected ,sick chickens lay "toxic" eggs.
@topheramazz thats because the labels on these 'organic' 'freerange' 'cage-free' products are misleading, you are being lied to. Read the book, do some of your own research, and then see if you hold the same beliefs
Where exactly did Jonathon Safran Foer see these cattle? Texas is where most cattle in U.S. come from. I have lived in Tx all my life. I grew up on one of the largest cattle ranches here. We had 8000 cattle. It was pasture land, trees, windmills. Nice place for a cow. Every rancher I have ever seen raises their cattle on pasture land. You know wheat & grass.
So the fact that cattle are raised in horrible environment 99% of the time, is stupid & ludicrous
If I were to take away one meal of meat a week the impact would be so small that it wouldent do anything, thoes peices of meat would still be produced and put in the supermarket, the problem is there is virtually no way we can get farms to bring down the amont of cows they produce
The effect might not be immediate, but you are wrong to believe it has no effect. If no one ate meat, the industry would fall apart. If the demand becomes lower, then the production will become lower. It is simple logic. Would you spend a lot of money on meat production if no one bought your products? If you choose a vegeratian meal on a restaurant just one time, where you normally eat meat it would make a difference.
yeah but a few thousand people deciding not to have one steak wont stop that steak from being produced, thats the sad truth, it will only be a couple thousand people doing it, you have to understand that the meat from one cow is eaten by many different people, so if say a cow makes 6 large peices of meat and I dont eat one, chances are the other 5 will still be used, I live in a rural area so the farming is pretty traditional anyway, most of them are just in the feilds most of their life.
Nothing wrong eating meat as long it's not farmed meat. Farmed meat is disgusting, taste like shit and is poisoned with all kind of hormones and drugs. Farmed meat is one of the greatest threats to the environment there is and thats a good reason not to eat it.
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm genuinely curious: what would be considered non-farmed meat? Wouldn't all meat come from farms unless you go out and kill it yourself, or are you referring to seafood?
I'm refering to what he's talking about in the video. Farmed meat=big animal factory. A place where they keep thousands of animals, pump them full with antibiotics and other drugs to make them grow as much as possible as fast possible. It's an unethical practice, not very efficient and the meat has very poor quality and taste like shit.
I also refer to fish factories were it takes about 4-5 kg of wild fish to grow 1 kg factory fish. Same shit here, taste like shit and we also destroy wild fish in the process. How ethical and economic is this? I hunt all my meat and fish by myself and it's the best meat you can get and it actually still taste like meat.
It's also a big difference between these animal factories and if you happen to know someone who has a small number of animals living freely and have quality and natural animal food supply. Meat from such an animal would be of a much higher quality and if you did a blindtest you could probably taste the difference quite easy :))
Get informed man. There is protein in vegetables!! And protein that is good for you. In breast milk, the most perfect food for babies while GROWING THE MOST, has 5 percent of its calories from protein. The World Health Organization has a states that you only need 5 percent of your calories to come from protein, and 6 percent if your nursing or pregnant.
oh so the inteligent people in our society now get their information from comunist china? and dont be a smart ass and tell me that they are a capatalist republic, they are still a broken countrey
@leafsfan9917 And those are very CONSERVATIVE levels. All plants have way more protein than that. If you need some reassurance, the WHO and American Dietetic Association both have a stance that eating as a vegan is sufficient and even very healthy for all stages of a humans life, besides breastfeeding years. So please stop spreading false information!! There is no need for protein pills of course.
Anyone thinking about switching to being vegan/vegetarian/whole food-plant based diet, please read CHINA STUDY by Dr T Colin Campbell. It could save your life and I can guarentee you this book will amaze you.
PS. That thumbs up you received was from me and only by accident. I had tried to click a thumbs down. Please people get informed!!!!
The CHINA STUDY(Book) has been debunked a while now. The actual China Study(research) shows the dangers of Casien protein and sugar(not animal protein)- only 35 of 350 pages of the book are from that study- Chris Masterjohn wrote a great article about the fallacies of the Book( not the study) as have many others. Please people get informed!!! :)
Next I am very aware of C. Masterjohns review and others. I find it very amusing that you take his review(and others) as a complete DEBUNK of Colin Campbells book, especially after looking at CM's credentials. CM is a 24 year old 'chapter leader' of the WAPF. WAPF promotes a diet that is high in cholesterol and fat. CM has had no first hand experience or training in experimental nutrition research and no professional peer reviewed publications. Other reviewers were anonymous.
Finally I find it most amusing and ironic that (1)you somehow are a part of a practice and (2) you tell people not to go vegetarian or vegan, when you get your information from people lacking serious credentials, AND you don't even know how to spell VEGETARIAN! Please people get informed!!! :)
oops Vagatarian...mut be a freudian slip haha! Im a holistic health practioner specializing in Chinese Medicine. many of the patients that i see are very sick because of their vegatarian diets.i use metabolic typing to correct this . i do see many patients on the SAD(standard american diet) who are very ill aswell.Vegetarianism and SAD is not healthy or sustainable.health is about balance.If you "believe" in vegetarianism i can't change your mind. sorry about your bad energy- be well
Have you ever thought about the SAVD being the issue???.... the standard american vegetarian diet. Im not surprised you treat them because they eat horrible. I follow Dr. McDougall, drmcdougall com. He eats 100 percent plant based WHOLE food diet. He eats a piece of turkey every other year because he doesn't want to be thrown in the group of people called vegetarians.(Because of their typical horrible diet) You don't seem to know much about eating healthy on a vegetarian diet...
....so why do you comment that a vegetarian diet is not sufficient? Mind you the World Health Organization and American Dietetic Association have a stance that being vegan is sufficient (for humans) at all stages of life, past nursing. Have you ever thought that veg people might be sick just like the SAD's because they are both eating the same sad food (reguardless of meat). Anyone with some good reasoning skills would be able to at least consider that thought.
And I don't "believe" in being vegan like it is some religious thing.I use reasoning, critical thinking, scientific research, personal experiences from the diet, etc., to come to the conclusion that a whole food plant-based diet is the best available diet for me. I am open to information of denial, I just haven't found sufficient evidence to say that I need meat for any reason. So yes my mind could be changed. Enlighten me: what is in meat that makes you have more energy and...
..and what reasoning do you use to come to the conclusions that you a vegetarian/vegan diet is insufficient. I am guessing there isn't much science behind your reasoning. What is a vegetarian/vegan missing in their diet? I would also like to ask how many people you treat that follow the McDougall diet(whole food, plant based). I am yet to hear a bad story from someone that has followed his diet, and there are a ton of remarkable stories. I only hear people refuting it that have...
.. never tried out the diet and don't have much for credentials to make those statements. As for energy, you could never be more wrong! I switched 8 months ago, and I have 3 times more energy. My brother switched, mom, dad, and said they have never had more energy. I hated running before switching, and now I run 2-3 miles, 5 times a week. I also hike/backpack. I feel great. The other day I ran over 7 miles no stopping. Hope to work up to a half marathon soon.
The people that eat meat also have a lot of problems with very low energy, but you didn't come to the conclusion that their problem is the meat! If you knew more about nutrition you would understand that if you eat too many simple sugars, your blood sugar levels skyrocket, and you eventually crash(low energy). You could be on a energy rollercoaster VEG or not! Go over to Asia and look at the hundreds of millions of VEG's that have 0 energy problems and get exercise all the time.
Please check out Metabolic Typing and you will understand alot. Nutrition is my business, i understand all about blood sugar and how carbohydrate calories relate to the endocrine system etc. you presume i know little about nutrition? Asians are genetically able to consume that diet. i am not. i was a vegetarian for 3 years(plant based whole food organic).i tried everything to feel well the whole time.i was always sick an tired . some people can survive eating this way but many cannot
I know what it is and it doesn't make a lot of sense for one huge reason: How in the world could humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years if each of them needed to be classified in groups for what to eat. Monkeys seem to be doing fine as well.
Again you say "many cannot" [survive eating this way] but you are yet to tell what possibly is in meat that they need? And what is there in meat, that helps you not feel sick and tired. Could it be a different factor?
wer omnivoures. we can eat almost anything but to eat the types of foods that are more bioavailable to different genetic types can have a great effect on health and wellbeing.all meats have essential amino acids "complete proteins", excellent sources of A,Bs,D vits, minerals,EFAs,DMAE,CoQ10,saturated fat etc. Meats, fish, poultry eggs.. are nutrition "powerhouses" ofcourse vegetales fruits are important aswell.each person has different macro/micronutrient needs for optimal health...
I didn't ask what is in meat... I asked what is in meat that you can't find in vegetables. Clearly you would know this if you were to boast on chatrooms about how a vegetarian diet was insufficient for most humans. Or do you have no basis for your statements. It does seem like your circling this one like a politician would. And to say they those foods are 'nutrition powerhouses'. Is that on a relative scale, focused against what, cake? If you dare to compare them against...
...vegetables and fruits, you would sadly be put in place. Vegetables and fruits are the real 'nutritional powerhouses.' I think that is obvious to most scientiests, doctors, practricioners, etc.
Now I think we are coming to a point in the road where either your going to (1) realize you don't know enough about a healthy VEG diet and retract your statements that VEG being insufficient for most humans, (2) completely ignore these chats, or (3) keep dodging anything I ask.
And do remember, you are making these statements (of VEG being unsufficient) against that of the American Dietetic Association, the World Health Organization, and other prominent organizations...
PS-Meat is an excellent source of what? saturated fat? You are correct, but that is backing up your case somehow?!?
Food for thought: WHERE DO THE ANIMALS WE EAT GET THEIR MINERALS, VITAMINS, PROTEIN, ETC. FROM? Simple: THE PLANTS THEY EAT, OR EATING ANIMALS THAT ATE THE PLANTS.
By the way... no this is not pointless. Comments like 'please dont become vegetarian or especially vegan' is VERY problematic. People do read these comments and become scared, but they do not think about who is making these comments. Unqualified people of course, that have no basis for their comments.. This will shy them away from a diet is potentially beneficial for them healthwise (if eaten correctly) but also EXTREMELY beneficial for the animals and the world we live in.
i agree with many of your points. im concerned about people's health when it come to diet. i am very passionate about the same issues you raised and i only buy organic,locally grown produce, free range/wild meats and do my part. i think we are both on the same side of the battle but in different camps. do what you can and i will to. be well and good luck.
Animal production is currently hurting the world way more than anyone knows. It contributes to greenhouse gases more than all of transportation combined(cars, planes, etc). Fresh water depletion is becoming a huge problem and will be even more of one in the future. Making a pound of meat takes way more water than anyone can imagine. The water they drink in a lifetime, and the water to make the grains they eat, when we could just be eating the grains instead of the meat.
There are many people starving in the world. The amount of food it takes to feed all the animals in the US, could feed the people of the US three times over again. Animal production is one of the leading factors in loss of biodiversity. We are cutting down the rain forests so animals can graze there, not to mention countless other land areas. Another major problem is runoff. Then diseases created by the animals. And depletion of the worlds oceans.
Industrial fishing has depleted the world's fish stocks by 90% since the 1950s. Could we possibly knock out fish? What effect would this have on the food chain, ecosystem? I don't want to know these answers and hope you don't either. There are many other effects to the world meat causes that I didn't mention.Now please do you research on this, and reconsider if you think you should tell people not to be VEG's. If you enjoy this wonderful planet, I don't think it should bother you.
@pinkhaad you have everything right except we do have enough land. my solution would be to put the world in a population control like one birth china.
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@IAmTheCthulhu Who cares what a little idiot dope head punk bitch like you wants. Population control is best done by killing all the little bitches like you in the world.
Oh and animal rights.. right now animals are our slaves, in assembly lines being killed. They have no where to live a normal life, being penned up in cages, etc. And I know you would argue that we should have free range meat only- but in no way is this sustainable with how much meat we are currently consuming.There isn't enough land. The only thing that can happen is radically reduce how much meat we eat, or don't eat meat at all.
Now I rest my case.... but I mean it when I say to please do consider making those comments! And maybe make strives to help out the world by reduction of meat yourself! (and anyone else reading these posts)
a healthy diet incorperates meat, there is really no legitimate reasons besides morale beleifs that suport being vegitarian or vegan, besides, I like meat lol, and people try to tell you farms now adays shorten your life but the simple truth is nowadays we are living a lot longer than we used to, simple as that
still, what was the life expectancy when the population was low and there was less factory farming? considerabley less than today, and here in canada the life expectancy is still stedialy climbing, probably because the economy there is in its current state, not that its great here but still much better
i have to disagree. i'd rather take a pill than clog my arteries with all the saturated fats found in today's meat.
Also, plant-derived proteins are found to be much more efficiently absorbed and used in the body compared to red meats, mostly because they contain other nutrients and vitamins that aid in iron absorption. But to each their own. We all need to make sure we are eating a varied diet. veg or not.
Ancel Key's "lipid Hypothesis" was/is really bad science. The problem with conventional meats are that they are grain based and 60% of americans are gluten intollerant. Whatever you do please dont become vegetarian or especially vegan. I treat recovering vegatarians/ vegans in my practice for all kinds of "diet induced" problems. good luck!
Haha I find something very ironic about what you say about treating vegetarians and vegans for all kinds of diet induced problems. I am not sure what you do, or where, but I can be quite certain that you treat even more people that are meat eaters from diet induced problems. Such a silly statement. Also most vegetarians and vegans are not healthy and do not eat healthy. Campbell supports a plant based-WHOLE food diet and not the standard vegetarian diet.
What an arrogant piece of trash, judging others as "bad" for choosing differently than he and urging legislation to force others to live in his little fantasy world of "goodness". We produce more than enough food for everyone. The hunger problem stems from regional politics and poor local production and distribution. Why are South Koreans on average half a foot taller than North Koreans? This chump needs to get off of his high horse and join the rest of us here in reality.
I am not sure this guy is "trash". he was just pointing out a differing POV than the meat lobby's. I think his points have merit. one has to have dialogue, otherwise we all lose. but "trash"is extreme to say the least. The N. Koreans get no food from their leaders: that is not a meat issue, it is a rice issue.
one last thing, I became a vegetarian as a result of going to a slaughterhouse and studying the enormous amount of antibiotics and "fatners" used in agribusiness. I would eat meat, if I knew it was clean, such as wild caught. Times have changed....These enzymes do not die in the pan. they survive in your gut...and make one obese.
Actually "trash" is too weak a word for this jerk. I respect the reasons he cites for his personal lifestyle choices and I demand that he respects my choices and the choices of others who may disagree with him. At 2:55 he mentions that the "solutions" to these rationalized non-problems that he lists will be legislative. He hopes to use government to force everyone to act on his personal views and beliefs. He's a wannabe tyrant touting the same old tyrant mantra: "It's for their own good."
I agree, they are wild. Wild game is very good to eat-unless it is eating from a toxic source.
The people I buy my local bison from dont seem to have a problem with these animals. But, then again, its a small scale farm. And those people were taught by the Native Americans out west how to handle them. So, maybe that is key, too. There is still so much we dont know about these animals.
As for the water hole issue, maybe they fowl it because they would be penned in-not allowed to roam?
What about Bison? They were indegenous species that is now just coming back. They are high protein, low fat, cannot be fed grain because they are more sensitive than the overbred meat cows we eat from now. The eradication of Bison contributed to the dustbowl of the west-in some places you cannot grow crops. And, cows were brought over from Europe, they werent indegenous.
Native Americans had good health with the bison-before they were switched to the European white flour diet.
Bison are difficult and dangerous to raise. They have a different psychology then the cattle raised today and require different fencing and equipment. In my opinion they're also hard on the land. Bison will destroy a water hole, whereas cattle will just take a drink and move on.
Basically, it's a completely different animal that few want to deal with.
Remember the bison is wild. It is not domesticated. There will never be a large scale switch to bison.
Bison would never be able to meet our demand for meat like cattle does (albeit woefully unsustainably) Bison will always be a small-scale novelty meat.
We spend 10 cal to make 1 cal of food in general (meat, produce, etc). So it's more interesting to think about changing method of food production rather than changing ppl's diet.
I don't think I can live without a properly delicious meat/poultry diet in my life, but our animal friends deserve some fucking space to move around, at the least, especially if they are feeding for the sole purpose of getting nice and fat just for us to eat.
how would we humans like it if we were all a bunch of factory raised chickens locked up in a cagey prison and can't even turn around from our own food just to take a shit? and here's the kicker.... we are chickens WITH CONSCIOUSNESS
Want to end world hunger? Use condoms. Everyone. Decrease the carbon footprint? Use condoms. Stabilize economies? Use condoms. Stop wars? Use condoms. Prevent pangolins from harping about soy products? Use condoms. Stop abortions? Use condoms. Reduce violence? Use condoms.
The issue isn't caloric density but nutrient density. You're right, meat is more caloric dense and so is soda and deep fried potato chips. However, when consumed to excess you'll get an undernourished obese society, not disimilar to the one we have now.
Is there genetically engineered food that can be both super caloric dense and also nutritious? This would seem like the next step in food creation and it would cut down on meat.
There already are super caloric dense foods than are nutritious such as avacados, olives, and many varieties of nuts. These can be combined with other low caloric dense nutritious foods to create a very balanced healthy diet.
There is a GM rice that is enhanced with beta carotene. It's used for food aid in cases of starving populations.
Although, I would like to see more evidence on the environmental impact of GM foods and potential hazard in cross-polinization.
I support War Against Factory Farming, and I am sick of asshole conservative pussies who were all gungho telling us we HAD to support the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 or else we're "not patriotic" and then condemning MY right to free speech to advocate blowing up factory farms and killing meat-eaters and telling ME I shouldn't support war for MY reasons.
Meat-eaters and those who oppose the War Against FF are unpatriotic cowards guilty of treason.
mphello 4 months ago
Great lecture! Even if you aren't ready to give up eating meat completely, please cut back and find out where it's coming from. Small farms, where the animals have open space, use far less antibiotics and can often compost the waste. Factory farms are one of the main threats to our planet and the only way to turn the tide is by not financing them.
maayys 5 months ago
caring is a muscle..that is some leftie intellectual bullshit if i ever heard it hahah
not that im really against what he has to say..
ilikevines 9 months ago
you can develop any emotion. you can develop & strengthen happiness, sadness, caring, anger, anything. They are called emotional muscles
dvsdez 5 months ago
@ilikevines Ah you fucking stupid? What he means is that we can get better at caring, just like a muscle can get stronger when we use it more. Just like he said. How is that hard to get?
seraph101 3 months ago
He was saying how the labels that say "free-range" are lies. Where can I find free-range eggs??
jp03921 10 months ago
@jp03921 Either raise your own chickens or just stop eating eggs. Humans don't need to eat eggs to survive or even eat tasty foods. In fact from a health perspective you're probably better off without that cholesterol.
Pilaf1984 10 months ago
right after this video cuts he talks about how free range eggs are a scam btw.
adamc404 10 months ago
Excellent!!!!! Great arguments
KharlozU 11 months ago
so if cows ate grass... and humans cant eat grass... is grass worse for humans than corn? i dont get it
nothadnotbad 11 months ago
One of the solutions is to buy from small family farms. Farms that respect, love and treat livestock with humane handling.
Rainbow Ranch Farms grows free range, grass fed, heritage breed chickens, turkeys, cattle and pigs. Check them out on google "Rainbow Ranch Farms".
NO G.M.O's - NO Corn - NO Soy! Certified Organic Only! Humane handling and all heritage livestock breeds.
Know your food, know your farmer. Know how your food is grown, treated and harvested.
XXXXenia 11 months ago
You have missed the whole point of what I have said, and now what you have said as well. You are also still not getting that even if we stopped, and killed what was left, and then just restarted without slaughtering animals...do you expect that nature will not bring the population back up? Did you not get the buffalo comment I made earlier? And I get everything that I am saying and I have done the research, the questions I am asking are to you because you obviously dont have a clue.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
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THIS IS A LIST OF JUST A FEW BEEF BIPRODUCTS, now tell me you have nothing to do with animal slaughter... from hide and hair: Car upholstery, LEATHER. From Bones and Horns: Ice cream, Candies, Vitamin capsules, Chewing gum, Lipstick, Wallpaper paste, Photo film. From Organs: Asphalt, MAKEUP, Fertilizer, Insulation in YOUR house, Livestock feed, Medicines, Paint, Plastic, SOAP, TIRES. ITS ALL AROUND US.everyone is going to have their opionions. but LEARN THE FACTS, from educated agriculture peers
bribriq9 1 year ago
I don't think using animals for meat is morally wrong, but mistreating them and now allowing them to live a healthy, good life while they're alive is wrong, and eating an animal that has been abused is wrong. Factory farms are THE source of most meat in the US. If you've ever had meat from a fast food restaurant you've eaten meat from an abused animal.
xMAYAVADA 1 year ago
This guy is not very smart. This is a horrible video. How is not eating meat like taking five million cars off the road? This is a bunch of crap and its people like this guy and people who agree with him that are flushing this country down the crapper.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters You know, I haven't researched the claim, but I imagine it has something to do with the amount of resources transported to sustain modern agribusiness.
BenWhoFleck 1 year ago
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When he says 5 million cars off the road, it's the equal amout of fuel and green house gases that the meat industry emits to the atmosphere when it produces 1 meal of meat for every American. So indirectly, when the demand for meat lowers in the future. so as the production...eventually. Which is probably the most efficiet way than buying a Prius instead of a Hummer. Do your reseach b4 judging and insulting. Do you need me to dumb it down more for YOU? Grow up.
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Wow...you did dumb it down by spitting that crap from your brain...if you have one. Lets think about this for a second...if we didn't slaughter cattle for meat consumption then they would just be free to roam and wouldn't have anything really to keep there population in check. SO THEY WOULD BE PUTTING OFF WAY MORE "GREEN HOUSE GAS" IF THEY WERE ALIVE jackass! An animal that isn't slaughtered doesnt just stop crapping jackass. Or do I need to dumb this down more for you?
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters This is the dumbest arguement to continue factory farming i've ever heard. The only reason their numbers are sustained is to continue the industry. You're argument is akin to this: a drug addict should never quit drugs because then what would we do with all of the leftover drugs on the earth? They would go to waste! It's completely retarded. When Factory Farming does eventually fall, the remaining cattle will die naturally in a peaceful way, living how they wish, happily.
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer Well I really should waste my time replying to an idiot but what the heck, its sunday. Way to try and compare what I said to drug use numbnuts. If "factory" farming does fall I hope you who push for it can go look your friends in the face and tell them they are going to die of starvation and youre the cause. So it seems you are for cows just not being in existence at all seeing as though you think that once farming is stopped all of them will just die off
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters starvation? its as if you think animal products are the only calories available. you're ignorance and meat-eaters bias is astounding. %80 of the corn grown in this country goes to feed factory farm animal. producing meat takes a tremendous amount of water and calories, making it energy inefficient. we could feed many more people using that %80 to feed humans, so you're argument is null and void. Do you not understand the concept of spay and neutered? take away reproductive capacity
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
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@MrBeefEaters excuse me for not using the scientific term designated for cattle "spaying", you dork. you know what I meant anyway, so don't be an asshole. I know about nature. I love nature, and I know how brutal it can be, and how beautiful it can be. factory farming presents nothing of naturalism, and none of the dynamics that go into a predator/prey chase exist within a factory farm, so don't bring up naturalism. it makes you look stupid. prey are evolved to, and have the chance to get away.
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer and you would like them all "spay and neutered" which is funny because that right there shows you know nothing about it, they don't use that terminology for cattle retard. It shows me that youre a kitty and puppy person and you think all animals should just frolic and play. Grow up hippie, learn about the food chain, learn about the animal kingdom and how animals eat other animals. Do research before you just think farmers are doing the wrong thing.
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@kennomura1 I have done my research...and have common sense. You obviously have niether.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Look at the facts and you will see that the green house gases that are emitted from large farms is very very small. But I wouldnt expect you to know that since you really seem to know nothing. But just one thing I hope you get from this is that...if you really think animals are the cause of large amounts of green house gases, and thus, global warming (which is what I am sure your getting at) Then it would be better if they were dead than alive.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters Wow, I can't believe this, haha. Your comments are just getting funnier. Can't stop laughing. How old are you? Still in high school? Okay, there are about 1 million animals being slaughtered every hour in the US alone. How do you think they came to Earth in the first place? Was it natural? Did God create them? No. Humans bred them in farms. When the demand rises, so does the supply. That's why we're trying to change from as consumers, while lobbyists can work on the macro level :)
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Oh way to try and red harring the argument. If you know what that means. So again, for the second time, lets say we stopped slaughtering right now, you think all those animals are just going to stop reproducing? Damn you are dumb. It would be better if you were still in high school, then you would have an excuse for how stupid you really are. I dont believe in god anyway which is your whole problem. I am not saying believing in god is bad, except when you get preachy people like you
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters Okay, Although my previous statement already proves my point, but let me dumb it down for you MORE. This would be my second and last attempt to explain this. Even kids get it haha. Most of the animals that are responsible for the methane, are in fact DOMESTICATED FARM animals, so they're NOT wild natural inhabitants. Humans BRED them. Get it? Btw, the avg American eats 3 times the East Asian average, and 40 times the average in Bangladesh. Seriously, how old are you kid? so funny
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 and if the demand for meat does lower...do you think that livestock will just stop reproducing in the wild...stop crappinging the wild. If you knew anything you would know that in the history buffalo were very very think, in fact so thick it was said you could walk on there backs for miles. How much green house gas do you think they were putting out? Do you even think about the things you write?
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters There are way way way more numbers of farm animals that exist today than there was ever before in the history of the world. End of discussion. I win :O
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Ok...I guess I have to dumb down even more what I was saying to you. Lets say youre right and every hour 1 million animals are slaughtered in the US, so if we stopped slaughtering right now, you think all those farmers are just going to keep raising those animals, or let them go (kinda like whats happening with the wild horse population since they banned horse slaughter whcih is a travesty) so in one day there are 24 million animals released into the wild
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@kennomura1 so again...do you think those 24 million wild animals are just going to stop breding...stop crapping? If you do then there is no getting through to you because you are as dumb as a rock. My guess is since you keep trying to make fun of me you are not very old yourself. Because if you were an adult, you are a very very childish adult. " END OF DISCUSSION. I WIN." that is something a child says. Also the fact that you just keep throwing random "facts" (which arent true at all)
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@kennomura1 in to try and prove you are smart is pathetic. You should check your "facts" before you put them out there for the world to see becuase it makes you look real bad when they are wrong kinda like you are now. I really hope you try and come back at me. I enjoy reading your childish responses. I also enjoy reading your unchecked "facts." Maybe you did check them just on wikipedia, that would be funny. You think you are showing how smart you are but all youre doing is embarrasing yourself
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters ....No dude. We're talking about a gradual process. The transition of decreasing the amount of cattles and other animals bred in farms would be slow but it is possible when the demand for it goes down, at least ideally. Although it's hard bcs all the other developing countries are begining to consume more meat as a status of wealth. I never said we have to stop killing all animals today and let them loose in the wild all of a sudden. Unfortunately, those that already exist will..
kennomura1 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters ..(continued) will be slaughtered. But the point is to breed less animals from now on. That's tha part that was missing between our discussion and insults. Well, I kind of estimated that you knew that already,...I guess not. haha Do u finally get it now? Less animals bred from now on = less methane and co2 emmision in the future. Those that exist will have to be killed unfortunately.
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Yeah...and the less that is produced, the more people on this planet that starve to death. Plus the deficiencies that come from not eating meat. But hey, when the world spikes to nine billion like projected, you just go ahead and tell a third of the people you know that they can no longer be fed and that they are going to starve because you didnt want to slaughter animals for food anymore.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters You've missed the whole point of the video dude. Currently 1% of the population holds 40% of the wealth. To tell u the truth, there is enough food and resource out there to feed all 7 billion people. But unfortunately, they are not distributed equally. Thats the whole point that the world is gettin at right now is to modify our diet, the market and the agrisystem as a whole. Do you actually mean all the stuff that u type? Cos most of them are answerd already in tons of sources.
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 I think you are thinking that when we stop slaughtering animals that those animals are suddenly just gone from the planet never to reproduce in the wild again.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
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@MrBeefEaters they are not wild animals..
kennomura1 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters They are NOT wild animals. agghhhh, don't u get it?
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Wow, you really are mentally retarded. I am sorry for picking on you. I will try and explain this in a way you can understand. You said, we need to stop slaughter. I said, If we did then there would STILL BE COWS ON THIS EARTH which would in turn keep breeding. You are one big numbnuts that doesnt get anything. If you couldnt see I was talking about a furture which you talk about then you are a damn idiot. I feel sorry for you, andeveryone that has to put up with you on a daily basis
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters Those cows that are living in the wild are not "agrressively bred" in the rate of factory farming so they are not a threat to the ecosystem. All the animals in the wild are regualted just fine by the nature of law and natural selection, at least most of them. Thanks for caring about my well-being but I'm a rather happy individual with recognitions from peers, teachers, professors, NGO groups for what I do. Your judgement on me has not affected my life at all. Why are so angy man?
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Hmmm, thank you for trying to play psychiatrist but I am not mad at all. I just know you are stupid. If you remember you were the one that started with the insults against me. So, why are you so mad? And I really dont believe you about what you say, anyone can say anything on this, like, oh I dont know, I have three doctorits and know everything about everything. And again....go to the buffalo comment...its all there.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters Okay, so I researched about 5 sites and they state there were about 60+million buffalos in the old days. Only 60 million? The U.S kills about 10 billion animals every year. The methane emissions coudln't have been worse centuries ago. No way. I don't get your point simply cos it doesn't make sense.
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Well thanks for that other comment on my profile I guess, which you can see I use a lot...anyway. Do you know what inflation is? So I am glad you "researched"...I don't really care though since like you pointed out, you dont get much. And you are welcome for the insults by the way. The funny thing is is that you said you just went along with the aggresion...I bet you just go along with a lot of things without knowledge of what your doing...like your whole argument here.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters I did see your other arguments with other ppl. You now what? I can only imagine you're doing all these on purpose cos it only really doesn't make sense anymore. Perhps, you're faking it. Maybe you're for real. If you are, are u some kind of red neck living in a small town or did u ever go to school? Have u been out of the country b4? When u call others sheltered and stupid, I just laugh so hard bcs you just sound like one. You're a loser, admit it.
kennomura1 1 year ago
@kennomura1 Awww, someones getting a little flustered. I see now you have resorted to stalking me. Great, I have a dim witted stalker. I know why you laugh at things that arent jokes...but I guess you dont. A lot of stupid people dont get that they are stupid...you must be one of those people.
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
@MrBeefEaters When we do end factory farming, it wouldn't be that hard to neuter and spay the remaining cattle so they do not breed, or simply seperate the sexes, and let them live out the rest of their lives. The logistics of this scenario are not a reason to continue factory farming, therefore making that scenario an impossibility anyway. Factory Farming needs to end, and if it weren't for ingoramii like you around, it would be already be done. It is my lifes work to end this godamn industry
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer you just dont get it. I am a farmer, I have gone to college for the area that I work in. I have done the research, I know, before you start talking out of your ass you should do research yourself. You are going to waste your life trying to bring it down because people need to be fed
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS, and people needing to be fed has nothing to do with the oligopoly that exists in the agricultural industry, with four corporations controlling over %90 of the market, and existing only to acheive economies of scale, cut costs, and increase profits to shareholders, all at the expense of ethics entirely. the meat factory farms provides kills people and makes them sick, so don't even talk about feeding people. the industry cares for profits, not people.
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters if feeding people was really the concern, people would be healthy, not dying of heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. You must be a shill for the industry. shame on you.
SuperAnimalDrummer 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer Ok...youre just as dumb as I suspected. "Don't be an asshole" Im sorry, you were the asshole first. And calling me a dork, nice, are you 12? You probably are arent you. Just because you "observe" nature and "love" nature that doesnt mean you know anything about anything. Your "facts" that you present, are way off. You really need to do research rather than just listen to hippies or other animal rights people like yourself. Look at the other side of things
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters Hi. I researched SuperAnimalDrummer's information and couldn't find anything amiss. We do feed the vast majority of corn/soy to nonhumans. The meat/dairy/egg industries are controlled by 3 major corporations. By fattening animals this does deny about a billion humans access to food. There are terrible (meat related) illnesses and diseases.
What other side is there to look at?
beaelliott 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer before you spew shit out. I also never once brought up naturalism so you saying that makes you in turn look stupid. I am sure that lions would pen zebras up and eat them at there leasure they just dont have the ability. We, humans, which are ANIMALS, do. What will you eat when the population of the world takes up all the good farm ground? I hope you can live on sticks and rocks. You animal rights people are so blinded by your hate for animal producers
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters It is for the very reason of increasing population that we must begin adapting to a plant based diet. Fattening animals for consumption is terribly wasteful on resources. Not to mention the antibiotic resistance animal ag creates.
A vegan can live on less than an acre of land while it takes more than 3 to support a meat diet. It is animal agriculture that will starve us - poison us - or drug us to death... Not a sustainable plant based diet.
beaelliott 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer that you dont even look at or care about the other side of things. Meat that farms produce doesnt kill people, you have no idea what youre talking about. It doesnt make people sick or kill them and if you think of a few cases where it has I can show you a few more where your precious vegetables have made people sick and killed them to. Nothing is perfect but the fact of the matter is is the animal industry puts a lot of money into making sure the
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters Animal ag is contaminating "precious vegetables". The run off of manure from factory farms is how spinach, tomatoes, etc. get ecoli --- Salmonella and Listeria also do not originate from plants - But from the gut of animals.
beaelliott 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer products they produce are safe. If you think I am lieing, you yourself said that its all about making money, well if you want to dumb it down to just that then fine. It is not all about money but if it was why would an industry put out a product that was unsafe? I mean if I sold something and it was killing people, I doubt they would buy it, which inturn would lose me money. So by that fact alone, logic dictates that the products are safe.
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@MrBeefEaters The "products" are safe? I follow the recalls... I'm very aware too of the anitbiotics in meat. It's obvious our health is declining in western cultures.
Furthermore and most importantly - It is not sustainable. It takes 6 times the grain to fatten animals than what could be fed to humans directly.
beaelliott 1 month ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer I am sorry that you are so blind and ignorant, I dont think the animal industry will have to worry about you much longer though, I am sure the group youre part of will drink the coolade soon and youll be taken to your ship on the dark side of the moon. Dont forget your tennis shoes and track suit.
MrBeefEaters 1 month ago
@kennomura1 You think that the fuel and green house gas to make one meal is the equivalent to 5 million cars? Are you freakin retarded?You must be if you think thats even close to being true. We would have totally fucked the ozone way before now if that was true,mcdonalds says billions and billions served, take that times 5 million each and you have a shit ton of gas.There is so much wrong in your tiny freakin brain its not even funny. I was going to just laugh at you but you are really just sad
MrBeefEaters 1 year ago
This guy is great.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
Jonathan Safran Foer is a fourth-rate writer, a hack, a mimic machine.
---Dr. Joseph Suglia, The Greatest Author in the World
jsuglia 1 year ago
@Charlieseaster, even though they do not need it in their diet, their argument from choice for whatever arbitrary reason will create a need anyway, so your argument is true, but irrelevant.
Whino100 1 year ago
His book changed my life. Vegetarian/Vegan is the healthier and compassionate way to live.
sarakathleenwirth 1 year ago
@sarakathleenwirth Not quite. It's healthier than the average American commecial diet, but to say that one diet fits all is flat out wrong. Everyone is different. People are faster oxidizer than others. To say that one diet fits all is wrong. Everyone does realize that plants love eating dead animals right? Without death, there wouldn't be life. People need to realize this.
timmyxdl 1 year ago
@timmyxdl Instead of asking what's natural, let's ask what's compassionate. Can you say that slaughterhouses and factory farms make you proud of humanity, or that they represent the best side of us?
Pilaf1984 1 year ago
@Pilaf1984 Can't argue with Factory farming at all. It's horrible and disgusting. I don't like it one bit. I don't eat that imitation meat. I buy my real meat from sustainable farms. I only eat organic, pasture/humanely raised meat. Yes it was slaughtered, but hey? That's life. People die, animals die, animals kill other animals, humans kill animals, animals kill humans. Like the Lion King said, it's the circle of life. That's just the way it is. We all can't get along....
timmyxdl 1 year ago
@timmyxdl Its good that you see factory farms are bad but I have to disagree with the rest of your comment. With the attitude 'animals kill other animal' does that mean it is ok for humans to rape other humans? After all other non-human species are well know to force sex upon each other. The truth is, we have the ability to make a moral choice. We are not living in the third world with limited food resources. We have alternatives, ones which do not cause unimaginable suffering and destruction.
amberdaum 1 year ago
@amberdaum We have alternatives that do not have unimaginable suffering and destruction? Do you even realize how much back breaking labor agriculture has? You ever work on a farm before? Also, have you seen the documentary "America Today: Children of the Harvest"? What about the efficiency? If the whole world went Veg, looks like everyone will give Monsanto more money. You do know who Monsanto is right? Do you know how much environmental destruction agriculture caused?
timmyxdl 1 year ago
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amberdaum 1 year ago
@amberdaum I can't argue with mother nature with animals forcing themselves on other animals. I gotta let the wild and nature take it's course. I don't know how fully aware animals are. Humans are different since we are descendants from apes/gorilla/chimpanzees...We do have the ability to make moral choices, yes. Some people need meat like myself. My body craves meat and saturated fat for a reason. Also, if I eat a ton of vegetables with no sat fat/protein, I'll crash and become irritable.
timmyxdl 1 year ago
@amberdaum We can't compare ourselves with other species...I mean seriously...We are the only species that are completely different from the others. We are the only species that eats cooked food. We are the only species that has the ability to do what we do. We are the only species that has destroyed the whole world. I think it's silly to compare us with ummm a tiger...in the regards of moral choices.
timmyxdl 1 year ago
I'm a carnivore or omnivore! Kosher food is the best if we can afford it, or natural foods, wholefoods, or organic, to save the planet, the people who are hungry. I don't eat meat everyday. I eat soy because I'm lactose intolerant! But occasionally I eat dairy. Once I tried to eat grass when I was younger. Food, economic and environmental/global crisis. I'm not vegetarian or vegan, but occasionally I am. WHen I don't feel like eating seafood or meat. I'm not American but I live in America, NY.
nellie2581 1 year ago
I don't ever see myself becoming a complete vegetarian but I will move more and more that direction. I love steak and burgers but I choose to eat grass fed meets whenever possible. The taste of grass fed beef is sooooo much better anyway. The fact is you vote with your $ so the better you eat the better the supply will become.
jturuc 1 year ago
um. It does take 6 calories to make 1 calorie of meat. But, over 80 percent of feed used for raising livestock are from by-products. So the statement about how there would be less world hungry is completely asinine. In fact are land field would be filling a lot faster. I also don't see how taking away one serving a week would take away 5 million cars. It doesn't make sense.
imfarmraised 1 year ago
If people don't think they can make a difference, they can't. Yes, not eating meat doesn't fully mean that one lonesome cow a day will be saved because you became vegan or vegetarian. But, if you inform other people, and they thus inform other people, it can turn into a revolution. It would just be nice to see less murder going on. I don't know, I'm just really getting tired of seeing how many damn animals suffer a day because of greediness.
iammagnetic 1 year ago
Ever since I was a 2 year old i've been a vegetarian, almost vegan. And i'm really healthy, which proves that you do not need meat in your diet. The only thing you actually need in meat is protein, which can be found in nuts, seeds, soy milk,grains, beans, tofu, etc.
Charlieseaster 1 year ago 22
@Charlieseaster ur lucky to have been a vegetarian for so long! i wish my perants made tht choice for me
theusedjosh 1 year ago
@Charlieseaster All of this applies to everyone in the world, not just America. The French people are saying the same thing.
nellie2581 1 year ago
@Charlieseaster Check All-Pro Science. We need more products like this in the market.
allproscience1 1 year ago
If we remove 1 days of meat then it would be the same as taking 5 million cars of the road.
So going by that logic 7 days free of meat would be the same as taking 35 million cars of the road.
There are currently 125 million cars on the road in the USA. So that just cuts that number down to 90 millions. That doesnt really seems like a very staggering reduction.
Wouldnt we be better off walking to work? Rather then not eating meat. Win. Win. except for the Cow.
deathByStupid 2 years ago
@deathByStupid
He said serving, not day. I have no clue what the average amount of servings of meat per meal is, but I am guessing it is very high. The amount of greenhouse gases produced from making meat is higher than all transportation combined.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
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Just reading from the Inventory of US. Greenhouse Gas Emission and Sinks (EPA).
Agriculture is responsible for 6 percent of total US gas emissions. Of this about 32 percent (or 2 percent overall) is Animal related.
86.3 of GHG is energy related.
(30% of this is transport)
(61% of that is light vehicles)
So....
Animals = 2%
Light vehicles = 16%.
His figures dont seem to add up.
These are all wishy washy hippie excuses to deprive us of a tasty meal.
deathByStupid 2 years ago
@deathByStupid
Sigh I looked over the info and that is not what they said on the EPA site at all. So much misinformation. And your values(which you interpretted incorrectly) are from 2007... don't post stuff unless you know what you're talking about please.
pinkhaad 2 years ago 4
This guy is kind of right-.Just eat Organic produce and grass fed/pasture raised meats Every day!
I can't Beleive this guy said-"Cage free and free range Eggs" aren't better for us or tastes better??? ! He should try eating them raw -and there is no doubt that the eggs are better for us-Higher Omega 3 to 6 ratio plus grain fed ,antibiotic injected ,sick chickens lay "toxic" eggs.
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz thats because the labels on these 'organic' 'freerange' 'cage-free' products are misleading, you are being lied to. Read the book, do some of your own research, and then see if you hold the same beliefs
amberdaum 1 year ago
@amberdaum - i get all my domestic meats,raw milk and eggs from a local farm...i know what im getting pal... thank you for your concern.
topheramazz 1 year ago
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Where exactly did Jonathon Safran Foer see these cattle? Texas is where most cattle in U.S. come from. I have lived in Tx all my life. I grew up on one of the largest cattle ranches here. We had 8000 cattle. It was pasture land, trees, windmills. Nice place for a cow. Every rancher I have ever seen raises their cattle on pasture land. You know wheat & grass.
So the fact that cattle are raised in horrible environment 99% of the time, is stupid & ludicrous
Superstar3330 2 years ago
If I were to take away one meal of meat a week the impact would be so small that it wouldent do anything, thoes peices of meat would still be produced and put in the supermarket, the problem is there is virtually no way we can get farms to bring down the amont of cows they produce
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
The effect might not be immediate, but you are wrong to believe it has no effect. If no one ate meat, the industry would fall apart. If the demand becomes lower, then the production will become lower. It is simple logic. Would you spend a lot of money on meat production if no one bought your products? If you choose a vegeratian meal on a restaurant just one time, where you normally eat meat it would make a difference.
Justme1635438 2 years ago
yeah but a few thousand people deciding not to have one steak wont stop that steak from being produced, thats the sad truth, it will only be a couple thousand people doing it, you have to understand that the meat from one cow is eaten by many different people, so if say a cow makes 6 large peices of meat and I dont eat one, chances are the other 5 will still be used, I live in a rural area so the farming is pretty traditional anyway, most of them are just in the feilds most of their life.
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
Nothing wrong eating meat as long it's not farmed meat. Farmed meat is disgusting, taste like shit and is poisoned with all kind of hormones and drugs. Farmed meat is one of the greatest threats to the environment there is and thats a good reason not to eat it.
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
Pardon my ignorance, but I'm genuinely curious: what would be considered non-farmed meat? Wouldn't all meat come from farms unless you go out and kill it yourself, or are you referring to seafood?
bb6f44 2 years ago
I'm refering to what he's talking about in the video. Farmed meat=big animal factory. A place where they keep thousands of animals, pump them full with antibiotics and other drugs to make them grow as much as possible as fast possible. It's an unethical practice, not very efficient and the meat has very poor quality and taste like shit.
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
Thanks, that's what I thought you might have meant, but I wanted to clarify :)
bb6f44 2 years ago
I also refer to fish factories were it takes about 4-5 kg of wild fish to grow 1 kg factory fish. Same shit here, taste like shit and we also destroy wild fish in the process. How ethical and economic is this? I hunt all my meat and fish by myself and it's the best meat you can get and it actually still taste like meat.
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
It's also a big difference between these animal factories and if you happen to know someone who has a small number of animals living freely and have quality and natural animal food supply. Meat from such an animal would be of a much higher quality and if you did a blindtest you could probably taste the difference quite easy :))
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
go out and kill an animal, and it will taste 1000000% better
just be sure to not waste any meat
paydafee 2 years ago 2
There really isn't a reason to continue eating meat other than taste.
milsapthegreat 2 years ago
exept for the fact that as humans we need protien in order to survive, and meat is healthier than protein pills, way healthier
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
@leafsfan9917
Get informed man. There is protein in vegetables!! And protein that is good for you. In breast milk, the most perfect food for babies while GROWING THE MOST, has 5 percent of its calories from protein. The World Health Organization has a states that you only need 5 percent of your calories to come from protein, and 6 percent if your nursing or pregnant.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
oh so the inteligent people in our society now get their information from comunist china? and dont be a smart ass and tell me that they are a capatalist republic, they are still a broken countrey
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
@leafsfan9917 And those are very CONSERVATIVE levels. All plants have way more protein than that. If you need some reassurance, the WHO and American Dietetic Association both have a stance that eating as a vegan is sufficient and even very healthy for all stages of a humans life, besides breastfeeding years. So please stop spreading false information!! There is no need for protein pills of course.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@leafsfan9917
Anyone thinking about switching to being vegan/vegetarian/whole food-plant based diet, please read CHINA STUDY by Dr T Colin Campbell. It could save your life and I can guarentee you this book will amaze you.
PS. That thumbs up you received was from me and only by accident. I had tried to click a thumbs down. Please people get informed!!!!
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad -
The CHINA STUDY(Book) has been debunked a while now. The actual China Study(research) shows the dangers of Casien protein and sugar(not animal protein)- only 35 of 350 pages of the book are from that study- Chris Masterjohn wrote a great article about the fallacies of the Book( not the study) as have many others. Please people get informed!!! :)
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
Next I am very aware of C. Masterjohns review and others. I find it very amusing that you take his review(and others) as a complete DEBUNK of Colin Campbells book, especially after looking at CM's credentials. CM is a 24 year old 'chapter leader' of the WAPF. WAPF promotes a diet that is high in cholesterol and fat. CM has had no first hand experience or training in experimental nutrition research and no professional peer reviewed publications. Other reviewers were anonymous.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
(CM also only has an undergrad degree)
Finally I find it most amusing and ironic that (1)you somehow are a part of a practice and (2) you tell people not to go vegetarian or vegan, when you get your information from people lacking serious credentials, AND you don't even know how to spell VEGETARIAN! Please people get informed!!! :)
Vegatarian
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad
oops Vagatarian...mut be a freudian slip haha! Im a holistic health practioner specializing in Chinese Medicine. many of the patients that i see are very sick because of their vegatarian diets.i use metabolic typing to correct this . i do see many patients on the SAD(standard american diet) who are very ill aswell.Vegetarianism and SAD is not healthy or sustainable.health is about balance.If you "believe" in vegetarianism i can't change your mind. sorry about your bad energy- be well
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
Have you ever thought about the SAVD being the issue???.... the standard american vegetarian diet. Im not surprised you treat them because they eat horrible. I follow Dr. McDougall, drmcdougall com. He eats 100 percent plant based WHOLE food diet. He eats a piece of turkey every other year because he doesn't want to be thrown in the group of people called vegetarians.(Because of their typical horrible diet) You don't seem to know much about eating healthy on a vegetarian diet...
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
....so why do you comment that a vegetarian diet is not sufficient? Mind you the World Health Organization and American Dietetic Association have a stance that being vegan is sufficient (for humans) at all stages of life, past nursing. Have you ever thought that veg people might be sick just like the SAD's because they are both eating the same sad food (reguardless of meat). Anyone with some good reasoning skills would be able to at least consider that thought.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
And I don't "believe" in being vegan like it is some religious thing.I use reasoning, critical thinking, scientific research, personal experiences from the diet, etc., to come to the conclusion that a whole food plant-based diet is the best available diet for me. I am open to information of denial, I just haven't found sufficient evidence to say that I need meat for any reason. So yes my mind could be changed. Enlighten me: what is in meat that makes you have more energy and...
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
..and what reasoning do you use to come to the conclusions that you a vegetarian/vegan diet is insufficient. I am guessing there isn't much science behind your reasoning. What is a vegetarian/vegan missing in their diet? I would also like to ask how many people you treat that follow the McDougall diet(whole food, plant based). I am yet to hear a bad story from someone that has followed his diet, and there are a ton of remarkable stories. I only hear people refuting it that have...
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
.. never tried out the diet and don't have much for credentials to make those statements. As for energy, you could never be more wrong! I switched 8 months ago, and I have 3 times more energy. My brother switched, mom, dad, and said they have never had more energy. I hated running before switching, and now I run 2-3 miles, 5 times a week. I also hike/backpack. I feel great. The other day I ran over 7 miles no stopping. Hope to work up to a half marathon soon.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
The people that eat meat also have a lot of problems with very low energy, but you didn't come to the conclusion that their problem is the meat! If you knew more about nutrition you would understand that if you eat too many simple sugars, your blood sugar levels skyrocket, and you eventually crash(low energy). You could be on a energy rollercoaster VEG or not! Go over to Asia and look at the hundreds of millions of VEG's that have 0 energy problems and get exercise all the time.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad
Please check out Metabolic Typing and you will understand alot. Nutrition is my business, i understand all about blood sugar and how carbohydrate calories relate to the endocrine system etc. you presume i know little about nutrition? Asians are genetically able to consume that diet. i am not. i was a vegetarian for 3 years(plant based whole food organic).i tried everything to feel well the whole time.i was always sick an tired . some people can survive eating this way but many cannot
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
I know what it is and it doesn't make a lot of sense for one huge reason: How in the world could humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years if each of them needed to be classified in groups for what to eat. Monkeys seem to be doing fine as well.
Again you say "many cannot" [survive eating this way] but you are yet to tell what possibly is in meat that they need? And what is there in meat, that helps you not feel sick and tired. Could it be a different factor?
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad
wer omnivoures. we can eat almost anything but to eat the types of foods that are more bioavailable to different genetic types can have a great effect on health and wellbeing.all meats have essential amino acids "complete proteins", excellent sources of A,Bs,D vits, minerals,EFAs,DMAE,CoQ10,saturated fat etc. Meats, fish, poultry eggs.. are nutrition "powerhouses" ofcourse vegetales fruits are important aswell.each person has different macro/micronutrient needs for optimal health...
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
I didn't ask what is in meat... I asked what is in meat that you can't find in vegetables. Clearly you would know this if you were to boast on chatrooms about how a vegetarian diet was insufficient for most humans. Or do you have no basis for your statements. It does seem like your circling this one like a politician would. And to say they those foods are 'nutrition powerhouses'. Is that on a relative scale, focused against what, cake? If you dare to compare them against...
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
...vegetables and fruits, you would sadly be put in place. Vegetables and fruits are the real 'nutritional powerhouses.' I think that is obvious to most scientiests, doctors, practricioners, etc.
Now I think we are coming to a point in the road where either your going to (1) realize you don't know enough about a healthy VEG diet and retract your statements that VEG being insufficient for most humans, (2) completely ignore these chats, or (3) keep dodging anything I ask.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
And do remember, you are making these statements (of VEG being unsufficient) against that of the American Dietetic Association, the World Health Organization, and other prominent organizations...
PS-Meat is an excellent source of what? saturated fat? You are correct, but that is backing up your case somehow?!?
Food for thought: WHERE DO THE ANIMALS WE EAT GET THEIR MINERALS, VITAMINS, PROTEIN, ETC. FROM? Simple: THE PLANTS THEY EAT, OR EATING ANIMALS THAT ATE THE PLANTS.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad
this is pointless. u do whatever you want to yourself.
btw...do some research on Ancel Key's "Lipid Hypothesis" you will see how bad the science is. there is no need to fear cholesterol.... good luck
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
By the way... no this is not pointless. Comments like 'please dont become vegetarian or especially vegan' is VERY problematic. People do read these comments and become scared, but they do not think about who is making these comments. Unqualified people of course, that have no basis for their comments.. This will shy them away from a diet is potentially beneficial for them healthwise (if eaten correctly) but also EXTREMELY beneficial for the animals and the world we live in.
pinkhaad 2 years ago 16
@pinkhaad
i agree with many of your points. im concerned about people's health when it come to diet. i am very passionate about the same issues you raised and i only buy organic,locally grown produce, free range/wild meats and do my part. i think we are both on the same side of the battle but in different camps. do what you can and i will to. be well and good luck.
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
Animal production is currently hurting the world way more than anyone knows. It contributes to greenhouse gases more than all of transportation combined(cars, planes, etc). Fresh water depletion is becoming a huge problem and will be even more of one in the future. Making a pound of meat takes way more water than anyone can imagine. The water they drink in a lifetime, and the water to make the grains they eat, when we could just be eating the grains instead of the meat.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
There are many people starving in the world. The amount of food it takes to feed all the animals in the US, could feed the people of the US three times over again. Animal production is one of the leading factors in loss of biodiversity. We are cutting down the rain forests so animals can graze there, not to mention countless other land areas. Another major problem is runoff. Then diseases created by the animals. And depletion of the worlds oceans.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@topheramazz
Industrial fishing has depleted the world's fish stocks by 90% since the 1950s. Could we possibly knock out fish? What effect would this have on the food chain, ecosystem? I don't want to know these answers and hope you don't either. There are many other effects to the world meat causes that I didn't mention.Now please do you research on this, and reconsider if you think you should tell people not to be VEG's. If you enjoy this wonderful planet, I don't think it should bother you.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@pinkhaad you have everything right except we do have enough land. my solution would be to put the world in a population control like one birth china.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
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@IAmTheCthulhu Who cares what a little idiot dope head punk bitch like you wants. Population control is best done by killing all the little bitches like you in the world.
tard
skjoyner 1 year ago
@topheramazz
Oh and animal rights.. right now animals are our slaves, in assembly lines being killed. They have no where to live a normal life, being penned up in cages, etc. And I know you would argue that we should have free range meat only- but in no way is this sustainable with how much meat we are currently consuming.There isn't enough land. The only thing that can happen is radically reduce how much meat we eat, or don't eat meat at all.
pinkhaad 2 years ago 2
@pinkhaad lol at ignorance.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@topheramazz
Now I rest my case.... but I mean it when I say to please do consider making those comments! And maybe make strives to help out the world by reduction of meat yourself! (and anyone else reading these posts)
pinkhaad 2 years ago
Protein isn't found only in meats. Try other protein rich foods.
milsapthegreat 2 years ago
a healthy diet incorperates meat, there is really no legitimate reasons besides morale beleifs that suport being vegitarian or vegan, besides, I like meat lol, and people try to tell you farms now adays shorten your life but the simple truth is nowadays we are living a lot longer than we used to, simple as that
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
@leafsfan9917 check your facts - this isnt true - this is the first generation of americans who are predicted to live less long than their parents...
mojo972 2 years ago
still, what was the life expectancy when the population was low and there was less factory farming? considerabley less than today, and here in canada the life expectancy is still stedialy climbing, probably because the economy there is in its current state, not that its great here but still much better
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
i have to disagree. i'd rather take a pill than clog my arteries with all the saturated fats found in today's meat.
Also, plant-derived proteins are found to be much more efficiently absorbed and used in the body compared to red meats, mostly because they contain other nutrients and vitamins that aid in iron absorption. But to each their own. We all need to make sure we are eating a varied diet. veg or not.
jgalloway100 2 years ago
@jgalloway100
saturated fat DOES NOT cause CVD.
Ancel Key's "lipid Hypothesis" was/is really bad science. The problem with conventional meats are that they are grain based and 60% of americans are gluten intollerant. Whatever you do please dont become vegetarian or especially vegan. I treat recovering vegatarians/ vegans in my practice for all kinds of "diet induced" problems. good luck!
topheramazz 2 years ago
@topheramazz
Haha I find something very ironic about what you say about treating vegetarians and vegans for all kinds of diet induced problems. I am not sure what you do, or where, but I can be quite certain that you treat even more people that are meat eaters from diet induced problems. Such a silly statement. Also most vegetarians and vegans are not healthy and do not eat healthy. Campbell supports a plant based-WHOLE food diet and not the standard vegetarian diet.
pinkhaad 2 years ago
@leafsfan9917 Actually, I'd be more concerned about getting enough vitamin B12 on a vegan or strict vegetarian diet.
chiyerano 10 months ago
What an arrogant piece of trash, judging others as "bad" for choosing differently than he and urging legislation to force others to live in his little fantasy world of "goodness". We produce more than enough food for everyone. The hunger problem stems from regional politics and poor local production and distribution. Why are South Koreans on average half a foot taller than North Koreans? This chump needs to get off of his high horse and join the rest of us here in reality.
Causa10bserver 2 years ago 2
I am not sure this guy is "trash". he was just pointing out a differing POV than the meat lobby's. I think his points have merit. one has to have dialogue, otherwise we all lose. but "trash"is extreme to say the least. The N. Koreans get no food from their leaders: that is not a meat issue, it is a rice issue.
dealdama 2 years ago
one last thing, I became a vegetarian as a result of going to a slaughterhouse and studying the enormous amount of antibiotics and "fatners" used in agribusiness. I would eat meat, if I knew it was clean, such as wild caught. Times have changed....These enzymes do not die in the pan. they survive in your gut...and make one obese.
dealdama 2 years ago
Actually "trash" is too weak a word for this jerk. I respect the reasons he cites for his personal lifestyle choices and I demand that he respects my choices and the choices of others who may disagree with him. At 2:55 he mentions that the "solutions" to these rationalized non-problems that he lists will be legislative. He hopes to use government to force everyone to act on his personal views and beliefs. He's a wannabe tyrant touting the same old tyrant mantra: "It's for their own good."
Causa10bserver 2 years ago
I agree entireley, some people are distant from reality its just sad
leafsfan9917 2 years ago
This guy is awesome.
falcoperegrinus82 2 years ago
I agree, they are wild. Wild game is very good to eat-unless it is eating from a toxic source.
The people I buy my local bison from dont seem to have a problem with these animals. But, then again, its a small scale farm. And those people were taught by the Native Americans out west how to handle them. So, maybe that is key, too. There is still so much we dont know about these animals.
As for the water hole issue, maybe they fowl it because they would be penned in-not allowed to roam?
skeletonmom 2 years ago
What about Bison? They were indegenous species that is now just coming back. They are high protein, low fat, cannot be fed grain because they are more sensitive than the overbred meat cows we eat from now. The eradication of Bison contributed to the dustbowl of the west-in some places you cannot grow crops. And, cows were brought over from Europe, they werent indegenous.
Native Americans had good health with the bison-before they were switched to the European white flour diet.
skeletonmom 2 years ago
Bison are difficult and dangerous to raise. They have a different psychology then the cattle raised today and require different fencing and equipment. In my opinion they're also hard on the land. Bison will destroy a water hole, whereas cattle will just take a drink and move on.
Basically, it's a completely different animal that few want to deal with.
Remember the bison is wild. It is not domesticated. There will never be a large scale switch to bison.
razorflown2 2 years ago
Bison would never be able to meet our demand for meat like cattle does (albeit woefully unsustainably) Bison will always be a small-scale novelty meat.
falcoperegrinus82 2 years ago
We spend 10 cal to make 1 cal of food in general (meat, produce, etc). So it's more interesting to think about changing method of food production rather than changing ppl's diet.
nxn8690 2 years ago
I don't think I can live without a properly delicious meat/poultry diet in my life, but our animal friends deserve some fucking space to move around, at the least, especially if they are feeding for the sole purpose of getting nice and fat just for us to eat.
how would we humans like it if we were all a bunch of factory raised chickens locked up in a cagey prison and can't even turn around from our own food just to take a shit? and here's the kicker.... we are chickens WITH CONSCIOUSNESS
trickmastermonkey 2 years ago
@trickmastermonkey -Agreed!
skeletonmom 2 years ago
This hookah smokin' tree hugger might be onto something
k166a 2 years ago 2
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago 2
Vegetables aren't as caloric dense.
drealm 2 years ago
drealm
The issue isn't caloric density but nutrient density. You're right, meat is more caloric dense and so is soda and deep fried potato chips. However, when consumed to excess you'll get an undernourished obese society, not disimilar to the one we have now.
ObserversEyes 2 years ago
@observersEyes
Is there genetically engineered food that can be both super caloric dense and also nutritious? This would seem like the next step in food creation and it would cut down on meat.
drealm 2 years ago
@drealm
There already are super caloric dense foods than are nutritious such as avacados, olives, and many varieties of nuts. These can be combined with other low caloric dense nutritious foods to create a very balanced healthy diet.
There is a GM rice that is enhanced with beta carotene. It's used for food aid in cases of starving populations.
Although, I would like to see more evidence on the environmental impact of GM foods and potential hazard in cross-polinization.