He's funny but it's a ridiculous statement. Any values you teach children are opinion and offensive to someone else out there. And how on earth would the average feeble ever-smiling Christian be able to cause death and destruction in the US? They don't make 'em like they did in the Middle Ages any more...
Well as much as I like Bill Maher's humor; I don't believe that religion is the only catalyst to hate and bigotry. Kids are naturally that way until taught not to be so.To elimination religion would be a facet gone from society that actually teaches good values. But religion also teaches archaic superstitions. Which is sad that evolved humans would be limited in that manner.
Not all children just naturally hate people, that's ridiculous. In fact most of the time children are taught to hate specific groups of people by their parents. Despite some religions teaching good morals, they still use a reward system which kind of makes it meaningless. People feel they need to do good to please a divine being that constantly watches them, and if they don't, they burn in hell for eternity. Is it really genuine to do good on that basis?
@lynngrube "To elimination religion would be a facet gone from society that actually teaches good values." Like flying planes into buildings, screaming God hates Fags and gunning down abortion doctors?
@20kevron no its not. they need profit to keep their buildings, staff and supplies. they do alot and rake in alot of money. i know. my dad is a pastor and i know how much money goes in and out on a weekly basis.
@atlantasbest I used to say the same thing, but it's better if they're not seen as a business and taxed. Doyou really want church lobbyists in washington influencing law making and approval? I don't.
Idea. Let's regulate these asshole comedians. Most Americans get their news from these asshole. Also, the Left indoctrinates us, from the time we're little children. And, they control our educational system. They teach us how to act, how to think, how to date. Yup, nothing Good can be said about Bill Maher and company. .
@imbaaackk Can you still think on your own? Do you have your own ideas, hopes and dreams? Then you haven't been indoctrinated. Also, i can kinda understand how you would think that the government insubordinates, but why specifically the left?
@Zuurkool1 I've already made this point. You claim that religious people try to make threats, but it's really the LEFT. If I'm not willing to comply with their dogma, they're try to punish me by saying that I'm "racist" or "Sexist". So, your people aren't really any different when it comes to making threats.
Religious people do make threats, someone did in the comments section, that's the only reason i responded. When you say "their dogma" who exactly are you talking about? the left? typical american, everythings black and white in your political system, i tend to use words as "left and right" as little as possible because it clouds the issue. what exactly is it that you are threatened with? you weren't really clear in your comment.
Of course he's bitter, he's a Jew raised Catholic in New Jersey by non-Italians. No major feasts to celebrate first communion no crazy eight days around Christmas where relatives are showering you with prezzies ...
All to findout that you were never a real Catholic but a "Holocaust Catholic" .... Kinda like the negroes who claim to "find themselves in Africa, coming back here decked out in funny coloured robes and hats calling themsleves Malcolm Mohamed El Shiznit or somethin'
No asshole you can't regulate beliefs or ideas. See guns and drugs are tangible items which have direct consequences on people. Their production unlike ideas can be controlled. Even in Iran you can't outlaw certain thoughts. People can still believe in what they want and think how they want its their actions that can be controlled just as you control other tangible items.
You don't like religion, fine, its your choice. But trying to regulate religious faith ... get a clue!
@qlaw04 In your lifetime you will see the western world outlaw the influence of any and all religions in any and all affairs of the collective of society. There will be laws and punishments for trying to convert or persuade individuals or organizations to or by your faith. Here in Canada we have already removed religion from the schools. No municipal, provincial, or federal building is allowed to display any religious object or literature.
The only problem they'll face is legal gurantees of freedom of religion such as the First Ammendment which says and I quote "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion."
Simply put, the Congress is not allowed to establish a national church nor are they allowd to legislate for or against religion. There are several courts in the land, and several judges let alone the levels of court.
It'll be a tough road for those wishing to end religion.
@qlaw04 Yup, it will be tough for sure. But those of us fighting against religion are prepared for a long battle and are confident that reason will eventually over throw superstition.
@qlaw04 The only government building allowed to display any religious item is the courts, which still use the swearing on of the bible. This too though is currently being challanged and will be out of practice within this decade.
People will still be free to believe in their fairytales, but any attempt you make to push those influence upon another in the future will be dealt with as though you were selling drugs.
The legal challenge to it is NOT based on any sound foundation whatsoever. People who wish not to swear on bibles can take solemn affirmation.
Look son, you don't understand how law works in a free and democratic society.
Freedom of worship is essentially free speech/expression and freedom of conscience and even freedom from discrimination. Een in Canada Section 2 and 15 of the Charter of Rights defends religious freedom. You just are ignorant.
But short of there being a dictatorship in either country ... Canada where the Fundamental Freedoms of Canadians is erased from the Charter or in America, the First Ammendment is striken from the books, again a dictatorship is needed...
There is NO WAY that your suggestion can even be remotely possible under the law.
You'd have to take away freedom of speech, the press, thought... Even China and Cuba tolerate religious worship!
@qlaw04 You are missing my point. There will always be freedom to worship and I advocate and will defend that very freedom even though I believe worshiping gods is more than foolish. What I do NOT advocate and will defend against is those that chose to worship gods continuing to push for their beliefs to influence the morality and direction of society as a collective.
Are you so unable to understand the difference between these two things and why the one must be stopped?
LOL what I love about religion is that you don't follow its rules because you think it's actually wrong to miss Church or eat meat on Good Friday or say God's name in vain, it's because you don't want to go to HELL!! What a great, wonderful, and loving person that makes you!
A person who behaves morally without the greed for heaven or fear of hell, is more evolved, and far more virtuous than one who is moral only to appease a fictitious emperor.
And yes, there are people who have a very high sense of morality and an exemplary sense of right and wrong, without the need to be rewarded or punished. These people are true moralists because they believe in a principle and abide by it for only that reason. So what if they're atheists?
Damn not.. researchers say that people are more educated today but less morality. They r still finding wat caused dat and think of ways to solve the problem.
The answer is human desires r always bad no matter how educated ey are. The solution to that is 'religion', when you have a religion, you'll know your limitation.
There might be non-religious people who behaves morally, but ey r actually copying those morality act fr religious people around them.. though, they r e very unlucky ones. In the next life, they'll still be burn for not doing it for the sake of God..
And I suppose you think that religion provides an excellent moral compass, particularly in its advocacy of infanticide, as in the case of Abraham murdering his son to prove his loyalty to god, or in Exodus of the Old testament, where the genocide of the amalacytes is amounted to the handiwork and will of god. When people express blatant veneration for scripture that clearly demonstrates undertones of homophobia and racism, then you begin to find the origins of immoral behavior.
Spoken like a true blind twat atheist, everyone knows that a moralless code like atheism is the true danger, no marals???, kids doing whatever they like, no wonder the world is crumbling the world needs Jesus.
Everyone should have a religion and is responsible to search a true religion, which bring to God and heaven.. because this life is temporary and the life after death is forever..
Like it or not..we have been born into this world, so we have to live on how God wants us to live.
Yes, nobody wants to be remind of death but it will surely come. Do you want to regret later or regret now? Even if you don't believe, you still hv to live again after death.
I'm not keen of death.. but I have to face the reality... I can't change that.
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What a narrow thought. Do you think the One who created the the planets, human, animals, and plants from nothing could not make us live again after death?
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So who created e first animal, n who created the chemical, the air and the brain?
Nobody created our brain? That's ridiculous. Just because you don't want to believe in God, don't pretend to be a scientist.
99% of great scientist have religion .. and dat bcos only when people learn more they realize that they are stupid and they'll become humble. They think more and talk less..
whereas the uneducated people always feel dat they knows everything in the world.. They talk a lot and think less.
Why did human stop evolving? why won't we turn into sometg else after few centuries?
This theorywas made by ungrateful arrogant people who didn't want to admit that God is the creator.. but at e end of the day they still don't have the answer for "Who created the chemical?"
And why there are trees in german which says "There no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God.? go and google 4 it if u don't know.
How did e the tree evolve to form a shape like that?
You can choose to be atheist. but no one will help you after death except God.
Don't be surprised if people don't believe in the holy books.. bcos even some people who lived among e prophets, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad (peace be upon them all) were not believers. So were e people before them.
You have to learn to have faith... but faith is not only for High IQ. Everybody can understand.
God is fair.. He gives heaven to e high or low IQ, rich or poor, sick or healthy, beautiful or ugly.
@srkb001 Dude I never said I'm an atheist. I happen to have very spiritual beliefs. I'm just not a knobhead who goes on youtube ranting about made-up German trees spelling fucking stupid things. I'm not anti-muslim; I have more friends who are muslims than christians. But if one of them came up with bullshit like this, claiming trees spelled out "praise god" or telling me they'd seen Jesus in a marmite lid, I'd call them up on it for talking bollocks. :)
As I said earlier.. when God send down a sign, not everyone will believe.. people will say it was made up, witchcraft or call the witnesses crazy.. etc..etc..
@srkb001 Type in google "Islam german trees" and go on the top site. It disproves it. The photos were made by a muslim scholar, Dr. Sayed Al-Khudari. They're not real. The site features a letter from the friend of said scholar, imploring the host of a website to remove the claims that the shahada was found in trees because they will bring people to conclude that because these claims are false, then Islam is false. He says that belief in Allah is self-evident, and this damages it. Inshallah.
@srkb001: if you look at this commentpage, you might realize, that you are the one talking the most. maybe you should stop and read others views and start to think.
It could help you a lot.
Who says, that there has to have been an intellegence that created everything? As soon as you accept the idea of non-intentional natural evolution, you will lift those limitations you force upon your brain and see clearly. creation is not the answer.
@liquidminds, indeed I read many thoughts of the atheists, and I'm so sorry for them that despite they have good brain they did not have faith. So if they are rich, successful and happy in this world, dat is just temporary.. they'll regret forever for denying that God is the one who created their brain.
I think YOU should read the Quran before commenting about what I said
@srkb001: i already read the quran.. all 3 major translations (and no.. I'm not going to learn arabic just for reading it in it's true form)... In my opinion, the quran has the same basic teachings, the bible has, but packs them in pages having 2 lines of "you should do" and 20 lines of "if you don't then....."
If you like to be threatened, quran is the book for you, but not more or less true than any other religous claim there is.
@srkb001: oh.. so you're one of those insurance-christians... "can't hurt to believe.. what if they are right?"...
Im a person of principles... If there is a god, that righteous, he lets those into heaven who do good. if he's a sick psycho he tells you to believe that his son died for your sins, and doesn't give crap about his commandments.
But to return your Q: what if your faith isn't strong enough and you need to be like a mormon? you'd go to hell with all us atheists...
Our responsibility is to learn, only God gives the guidance. There is no Q like 'what if my faith isn't strong enough'... if you feel that when you have a religion, then you have to find another until you don't hv that Q or doubt in ur mind.. n don't assume or claim smthg b4 u learn yourself. Do e research. Its not too late.
@srkb001 why is it a responsibility? where should we learn it from? and why don't go one god further and accept the obvious truth that there is no god, of any religion in this world, that exists and therefor no god that cares for you or anyone else.
@liquidminds God cares for you even you r not a believer. He doesn't spare you from getting all the good things He made, He cures you and will always forgive ur sins...
God sent the prophets.. we learn from them..That's not a blind faith. To believe that God isn't exist doesn't make Him nonexistent. People want to be free to do whatever they wish.. but ultimately their own desires will harm themselves.
@srkb001 because they got influenced in their childhood.
The important difference is, that any real scientist would reject the idea of god as soon as facts show that he can't possibly exist, while theists that happen to have a scientific job would twist and turn the facts until they fit the bible. That's not science.
some even accept the idea of a god as psychological valve. a connection to a higher power that helps when you feel powerless. just that it doesn't exist. it's all in your mind.
@liquidminds You havent answer my previous question.. 'how can there be many scientific evidences in the holy books when people at the time didn't even know how to read and write?
Atheism is a religion where scientist is their God. And because there r many scientists... they have many Gods too.
@srkb001: you missunderstand atheism... it has nothing to do with science.
Like science has nothing to do with believe. you can believe what you want in science. but if you want it to be considered reality, you have to face tests and only if you pass all of them, you can consider your faith to be true.
"not believing" in something is not a faith.. or you would be anti-99,999999% of all gods ever created and that would be your religion. not-believing in zeus and his friends.
@srkb001: what do I gain? the freedom to think for myself, make my own decisions and not to care what some church believes their god wants me to do.
What do you gain from following orders of an invisible, force, you don't even know is for real?
If I tell you some invisible force wants you to clean my house or you go to hell, when can I count on you to show up for cleaning-duty? I'd really need my house cleaned, you really need to believe not to go to hell.. it's a win-win-situation
@srkb001: why do I care for this life? because I believe it's the only one.
2 possibilities: there is a life after death, and that this is the only life we got.
I live the Life i know for sure that I have, trying to do the best I can.
You waste this life, for the chance of another, better, life after death, by having to convince yourself that you have to blindly believe in a god for it to be true.
Your god created all this, to create a waiting-room? do you believe that?
@liquidminds If you say that there is 2 possibilities, meaning you're not sure of what you believe. What if you live again after death? Better be safe than sorry right?
We never have a blind faith. Faith is in the heart. It is in you too.. You're trying to deny it because you want to live as you wish.
You cant choose your God. God is only One.
Its like if you don't believe that your father is your father. He is still your father. You can't choose the kind of father you want.
@srkb001 When I say that there are two possibilities, I acknowledge the possibility of those to outcomes.
Im my point of view, "no god" wins with 10:1 but still there is a slight chance.
it just isn't the christian-god.. "no god" vs. "the christian god" is 1000000:1 or less....
"better safe than sorry " no, not at all. only Life is for sure, so if you want to be safe. live the life you have and stop worrying about things that are as likely as a cat turning into a dog over night...
@liquidminds Dat is wat u said. Rating urself isnt e way 2 proof anything. Religion is not just a faith. Its a faith which comes from logic and evidence.. The 'holy book' is the evidence.
@srkb001 Religion is FAITH, that's why it's called FAITH.
FAITH is defined as "believing without knowing"
Religion is, by definition, not knowing.
I stick with the opinion of thousands of christian theologians, rather than with the opinion of a single youtube-user that seems to be obsessed with this video.
sorry everyone here for my load of comments, but the christian is continuously making false claims that are in oposite of what science and his own religion are saying. what i supposed to do?
I really would like to understand the psychological process in this self-delusion and why religious fanatics like you are incapable of seeing true facts. Also if there is a possibility to make them see or if we should just let them die stupid and make sure their children learn early to think for themselves so they are safe from their parents miss-informations.
teaching children to fear god is childabuse. someting I can't accept.
@liquidminds fear God is not like fear ghost... Fear Him for His punishment. If you love your child, teach him to fear God.. tell him what is right and wrong, so he will not go astray.
If you let your child do whatever he wishes, you don't love your child enough. His desires will harm himself.
And remember.. faith and guidance is in God's hand. Even if you don't teach him anything about religion.. when he grows up and learn, he will be a religious person. You can't do nothing about that.
If u look carefully you'll find that ere's no much different between all religions. They came from one God.
There's only one God who create a muslim, christian, jews, hindus, budhist... or an atheist. Nobody can claim dat 'my God is different from yours'
And why would i worry? You r the one who has to worry, you can't be happy when you're poor, sick, ugly or retard.. but we can.. nothing happen in this world worries us.
@srkb001 yeah right.. nothing worries you.. that's why muslims do suicidebombs, christians stone children on their way to school, christians threat people with murder just because they aren't happy with their lifestyle...
Obviously all actions of people who have no worries at all.
not to forget, that buddhists don't have any god and hindus are polytheists... only muslims, christians and jews share a common monotheistic god.
you should read some books younger than 2000yrs...
@liquidminds I liked your comment. Succinct, rational, effective. But by saying the 'correct' one implies that one is in fact correct. I think the argument should apply evenly. Ie: it is most likely that NONE are correct. One way suggests a 33% chance. I don't like that. It will take at least another century for this message to get through to stupid people but I guess we gotta keep trying huh?
@Pigroota: i apreciate your comment. In my recent posts I agreed to do a thought-experiment, to show that even if you could consider it a fact that there is at least one god, the evidence for the christian god, or any other specific god in that matter, are not very convincing and that by implying the christian god to be the only one, more than one claim is made... and prettymuch all of them are wrong ;-)
nothing that happens in this world worries you?? That is a deluded outlook on life you have there buddy. Seems like justification for any number of crimes and crooked actions and suggests that atheists have greater moral fibre than you. For instance... you don't care about global warming and the likelihood that future generations of dumbfucks like yourself won't have a planet to live on? Oh wait a minute... that sounds like a solution, not a problem! I hope the oceans kill us all!! Woooo!
@Pigroota One day when e world has more than 60 % Atheists, ey would start killing anybody who say there is God.
Global warming happened because of scientists who invent so much dangerous things in the world... (might look good for us ...but actually bad for everybody)
Human can never make a good judgment, bcos ey never knew about the future. We must follow e guidance of God to judge.
Did a scientist invent fire? Scientists invent solar power. They are the solution. Not the cause.
Humans have consciousness. They can and should decide for themselves what constitutes a moral law. There will always be people who eschew beliefs of what is moral. Society judges them, not god
"Are good things pious because they are loved by god, or does god love good things because they are pious?" Euthyphro
global warming has reasons a sign of last day, we can prevent it A BIT by riding on horses or camel, use candles at night or eat less..but it is a sign of Last Day, we can't prevent dat fr happening..
@liquidminds You can't ask God why He did this and that? God does whatever He wishes. If you create a doll, its your wish to give her 2 eyes or more, with wings or without wings and you have the right to dumb her in the dustbin or keep her on a higher shelf. That's God and His creations.
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@liquidminds Scientists who believe in God r the real scientist... they admit that human cannot be greater than God after a long research. The more people learn the more they become humble..
And scientist who claim human were from monkeys... r the idiots who run for money.. ey talk more and think less...trying to fool people with their imaginary evidence...
No scientists believe in a god. Science explicitly relies on evidence and accepts there is none for a god, so there is no god. if someone is claiming to believe in god as a scientist, they are not doing so as a scientist, but a moron. No scientist can teach bullshit, or base any scientific theory on bullshit. If they do, they are not a scientist but a fucking charlatan preacher.
@fantasy0coach Do you know who Kenneth Miller is? He's the guy who singlehandedly crushed the intelligent design movement at the Dover Area School District trial in 2005. Highly accomplished biologist, author of textbooks, eloquent speaker, highly effective debater, obviously pro-evolution, and.... not only does he believe in a god, but he is also devoutly Catholic.
Obviously he's in the minority, but... just saying.
Accomplished but a moron. Plenty of morons have sold books, speak publicly as their vocation, have large bank balances and are accomplished,but when it comes to understanding that a god is a childish notion that lacks an understanding and awareness of reality, they are moronic. I could single handedly crush the intelligent design argument, so could anyone with a 4th grade education.
@fantasy0coach You seem to think you could have equaled Ken Miller's performance on the witness stand. I can only assume from this that you really have no idea who he is or what he did. You really should look him up.
I also suspect that you haven't read Sam Harris, who explains very clearly why it's impossible to expect total consistency in someone's views.
I agree that belief in the supernatural is silly, but it's almost as silly to insist that one silly belief implies stupidity.
If I insisted that invisible green leprechauns were living under your bed, would you regard me as insane or at least stupid? God believer's are no different to that assertion. When it comes to their non acceptance of childish fantasy as fictional.....then they are stupid. They could split the atom for all I care, but it wouldnt reduce the fact that they are moronic when it comes to a ridiculous god fantasy.
If all I knew about you was that you insisted on green leprechauns under my bed, I would think you were a bit silly. If I also knew you to be intelligent in general, I would think of you as an intelligent and fallible person.
You seem to be making a similar qualification in this comment. This is a big change from the absolute and sweeping terms in which you were speaking before. If this better represents your views, then I'm pretty sure I agree.
lol, which sweeping terms? Moronic? The belief I describe and the god delusion are in fact moronic, not mere fallibility. To not accept overwhelming evidence to the contrary of such delusion, is ridiculous stupidity.
At first, you were talking about people being stupid for believing in the supernatural, regardless of anything else about them. This means that one stupid belief condemns the whole mind as categorically worthless.
Then, you were talking about people holding stupid beliefs regardless of their intelligence. This is pointing out a flaw, perhaps quite serious and damning, in an otherwise worthy mind.
I see how they are different claims, I also see that I only suggested the moronic belief to be moronic. I acknowledged all along it doesnt mean they are completely unable to have non moronic aspects. Although that in itself, is a ridiculous situation that I could argue renders them even more moronic. People who have the capacity to reason, should not lose it all of a sudden when a delirious attempt at immortality is in question. Or their sanity is very much in question.
I count at least two instances where you seem to attack the believers themselves:
"...they are not doing so as a scientist, but a moron."
"Accomplished but a moron."
You also said "no scientists believe in a god," which is simply false.
Based on your later explanations, I take these to be examples of articulative expedience on your part. If that is the case, then once again, we seem to agree. I would only advise caution in your statements on this topic in the future.
lol nice try. My comment merely pointed out that scientists who believe in a god, dont do so as a scientist. Which is true. Their belief in a fantasy ,in spite of their knowledge, is moronic, not scientific.....as the idiot who I was responding to was insinuating. I think I made that quite clear if you read the full comment in context rather than focusing on certain words, out of context.
That's what I thought you would say. I am not disagreeing with you here. Please refer to the last paragraph of the comment to which you are responding.
Fantasy Coach exaggerates a bit - but his point is correct. I would specify that no scientist WHEN USING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD can conclude there's a god. There have been evangelical Christians who have earned a science degree. But when they make claims about God, they aren't doing so based on the science.
In other words, if say a muslim in iran who has been sheltered from reality and only ever fed the koran, believes in fantasy, they are a victim in my eyes, not a moron. If however someone has access to the necessary education, such as your biologist example, but then defy their knowledge for pure fantasy, that is moronic.
Good point. The only caveat -- not a counter-argument, but a caveat -- is that, as Sam Harris explains in The End of Faith, it is blatantly unreasonable to expect total consistency in someone's beliefs and conduct. We are finite beings and thus bound to err. Thus, the reality on this topic is considerably more complicated than simple categories like "educated" and "moron" can adequately describe.
Incidentally, it's also why science is the way it is. But that's another story.
Where I would completely disagree with Sam Harris is that any "belief" by it's own nature, is a guess. To have to "believe", means it cant be evidenced by fact, or it wouldnt be a belief, but a reality. So therefore I contend that anyone who professes a "belief' to be anything other than mere guessing, ie: god is real....they are foolish. When it is something proven to be fallacy, it is beyond foolish behaviour, it is moronic. Hence my description.
Again, I would strongly advise looking up what you're talking about before making sweeping statements. Harris isn't talking about "guesses" on that point, and when he uses the word "belief" he very often (if not usually) means it in the sense of being certain (e.g. "you can believe something only if you think it is true"). You probably would agree with him if you listened to and understood what he said.
I am sure what i derived from your representation of Harris is not what he said. I was talking about the concept of belief in terms of the religious edict because that is what we are discussing. Their belief, is in fact ignorance. For westerners, the knowledge that the god belief, is in fact a delusion, is everywhere for them to absorb. Many actually do even realise it, but they choose wilful ignorance. It is this ignorance that renders them moronic. It's believing black is white
At an intellectual level, It is driven by two emotions. Fear or greed. It is either deep seeded fear scared into them when young, that is so scarring, they cannot relinquish it even in the face of reason. Or it is greed, a childish hope for immortality. To be driven by emotion rather than reason, is irrational. Irrational behaviour is the same as moronic behaviour in definitive terms. The moron claim is not an insult, nor derogatory, it is mere fact.
And the fact someone has apparent intelligence otherwise to their god delusion, makes them even more ridiculous than the dribbling fool who cant spell cat that chants scripture.
@fantasy0coach well religion might have nothing to do with science, but a mighty fight between the two is only in the eyes of retards and attention whores. There are a lot of great people that are religious. Why people seem to belive about such things is beyond you, and you are yet to get a real meaning in life. I'm an agnostic, for the sake of argument.
@fantasy0coach you do realize that as a person so sure of the non-existence of a god, you're just as bad as the ones so sure that there is one. I'm not religious in the least but that neither forces be to believe nor preach against the existence of an all powerful being. The point in religion is to tell people that you know the answer to what happens to a person after they die. NO ONE KNOWS! It's not about knowing, it's about being humble enough to admit that you don't know. Get it right.
There is no life after death........anyone with a shred of education understands that death is the cessation of living. We know how our bodies generate life. When it stops doing it, we cease to live. lol
That was one of the worst posts I've read. I'm studying to become an ethnobotanist and pharmacognosist. You are one of the people who make it difficult for the real scientists to inspire social change. If you represent science as wholly as you claim to, isn't it time to graduate from egocentrism and realize the disparate nature of a god concept and religious associations? No matter how hyper inflated a person's ego may be, they are a human same as the next man
Yours would have to be the worst post I have ever read from a self proclaimed scientist. There is no disparity between a 'god concept' and religious associations when someone claims to be a "christian", or a "muslim" etc. The whole premise behind each of the imagined religions is a god concept.
No one living in todays world thought up a god concept. They were all fed the bullshit by existing religion. Try attaining some awareness and rationality to help with your studies.
If you want to inspire social change, then call a fraud a fraud, call delusion a delusion and call obvious fiction, fiction. Entertaining retarded hopes is not going to effect social change. Attitudes and social acceptance, define societies.
We are not talking about something that is questionable, when it comes to the ludicrous clams of all religion. It is 2010.
I did, for years even, and I used to be surprised as hell at the lack of progress I made when I got pissy and called people fucking retards. Clinical research into Entheogens is what I'm going for, and if you want to speak on awareness I suggest you take one of the variety of Entheogens available to you and see what you come back with. Shamanism transcends culture and predates religion and historical text, do research and tell me about god then.
Ancients greeks had gods. Gods and supernatural explanations were the best people without knowledge could come up with. It doesnt change the fact that everyone living today had the god concept brought to them by today's religion. They have been sold a fraud....and either bought it due to ignorance, or didnt buy it due to understanding it is mere human imagination gone wild. You might focus your studies on ancient behaviours, but we dont live there, so try not to get confused.
When I say god concept, I mean the concept of a god figure. Regardless of a person's beliefs in god, they are still an empathic human. Some who don't believe in what I call the "Magic Man Hypothesis" god put that belief in themselves, or in other humans. If you believe you are the controller of your life's events, you have assigned the god concept to yourself(which isnt bad). The ego has a natural fear of death as death is the most traumatic thing a one could possibly experience
Being the controller of my own actions, which I am, as is everyone, is nothing like a god concept. A god concept is something implanted by someone else.
I dont fear death. Many people dont fear death. Death is not unpleasant. it is not pain. It is cessation of awareness, feeling and life. Any fear of death, or concern over someone else's death, is reserved solely for the living. Dead people dont care.
The shamans were shaping greek culture before their belief system arose, but thats not the point I'm making. The belief in god for many entails a transcendence of the fear of death, hence the belief in an afterlife associated with most religions. In many cases, belief in god is a means of ego transcendence. Despite this, the human is still human and is subjected to the empathic nature just as much as they are their own weaknesses.
in other words you are calling a belief in a god a futile hope. Futility is no way to live a life. especially when it involves joining a cult and oppressing and persecuting other people in a selfish attempt to make them the same idiot that they are.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they were right in their use of god as an explanation for the world that surrounded them, I believe that is detrimental to human progress and freedom. But we have to seek to understand if anything is to be done, fighting an enemy that operates in the unknown to one's self is like banging ones head against a brick wall. Religion is not the ultimate problem facing modern society, even if it is a major player.
People who personally believe in santa claus are not the problem. Interfering with others via these cults known as religion is the problem. Religion may very well not be the ultimate problem for humanity, I would hope not, but it is completely unnecessary and significantly detrimental to humanity. For this reason, the dangerous man made fraud known as religion, needs to be outed........everywhere.
What you are saying is it is a matter of perspective, aren't societal attitudes subjected to the same capacity for change? It seems to me we are just speaking of the same thing in this case. The witch burning could just as easily be assigned to the fading of the tropane alkaloids scopolamine, atropine, and hyoscamine from the culture.
yes social attitudes change frequently. Which is why atheists that are vocal are trying to change social attitudes towards religious fraud. It is working, religion has lost it's grip on most of the western world. The USA is the slowest to awaken due to heavy infiltration by religious fraud in it's society.
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darkmaster426 2 hours ago
Science science flies you to the moon.
Religeon flies you into BUILDINGS! (9/11)
darkmaster426 2 hours ago
2:10 Not that there's anything wrong with that.
ThePhantom135 2 weeks ago
Religion is nonsense and worshipping is the act of primitives. This is the 21st century, let's act like it.
dkthg 2 months ago 3
Regulate religion? Idiot.
hamiltoncallum 3 months ago
this guy takes everything way too literally
socrates1818 3 months ago
He's funny but it's a ridiculous statement. Any values you teach children are opinion and offensive to someone else out there. And how on earth would the average feeble ever-smiling Christian be able to cause death and destruction in the US? They don't make 'em like they did in the Middle Ages any more...
JiminyKracker 6 months ago
Fucking mafia
psychomurderguitaris 6 months ago
Well as much as I like Bill Maher's humor; I don't believe that religion is the only catalyst to hate and bigotry. Kids are naturally that way until taught not to be so.To elimination religion would be a facet gone from society that actually teaches good values. But religion also teaches archaic superstitions. Which is sad that evolved humans would be limited in that manner.
lynngrube 6 months ago
@lynngrube
Not all children just naturally hate people, that's ridiculous. In fact most of the time children are taught to hate specific groups of people by their parents. Despite some religions teaching good morals, they still use a reward system which kind of makes it meaningless. People feel they need to do good to please a divine being that constantly watches them, and if they don't, they burn in hell for eternity. Is it really genuine to do good on that basis?
xxESPx 5 months ago 3
@lynngrube "To elimination religion would be a facet gone from society that actually teaches good values." Like flying planes into buildings, screaming God hates Fags and gunning down abortion doctors?
TomFynn 4 months ago 5
Vatican = More money than God.
00kelevra00 6 months ago 2
When one person is deluded it is called insanity, when many people are deluded it is called religion.
roac7777 7 months ago 11
I think religion is still a major issue because most people today don't take education or science seriously.
PinkChinaPanda27 7 months ago
TAX THE CHURCH!!!!!! IT'S A BUSINESS AND IT MUST BE TAXED!!!!
atlantasbest 10 months ago 50
@atlantasbest ehh the church is non profit,
20kevron 9 months ago
@20kevron Where do you think pastors get their salaries from?
tmpennstate 8 months ago
@20kevron no its not. they need profit to keep their buildings, staff and supplies. they do alot and rake in alot of money. i know. my dad is a pastor and i know how much money goes in and out on a weekly basis.
PinkChinaPanda27 7 months ago
@20kevron church is non profit?? hahaha so you think the preachers are preaching for FREE??? hahahahaha
LosAngelesFresh1 6 months ago
@atlantasbest I used to say the same thing, but it's better if they're not seen as a business and taxed. Doyou really want church lobbyists in washington influencing law making and approval? I don't.
Z0mbeSlayer 8 months ago 3
Belief in the great superstition is what is wrong with the US.
borebox 10 months ago
This is so far out of context with so many wholes in it. Fortunately its stand up so it's not necessarily supposed to be serious
17GreenLantern 1 year ago
Idea. Let's regulate these asshole comedians. Most Americans get their news from these asshole. Also, the Left indoctrinates us, from the time we're little children. And, they control our educational system. They teach us how to act, how to think, how to date. Yup, nothing Good can be said about Bill Maher and company. .
imbaaackk 1 year ago
@imbaaackk Can you still think on your own? Do you have your own ideas, hopes and dreams? Then you haven't been indoctrinated. Also, i can kinda understand how you would think that the government insubordinates, but why specifically the left?
Bill Maher and Jon Stewart 2012! lol
ekbowler 1 year ago
Funny-disrespectful-but funny none the less.
WakaTakaB 1 year ago
this dudes...wow. no
318Rokr 1 year ago
This guy is fucking brilliant.
RyanLies 1 year ago
You know what they say, "once a catholic. . not anymore"
yatter1 1 year ago 2
Lol
NCthrashers 1 year ago 12
Rofl! I wish the other douche bags in the comment section would just laugh at this rather than get all serious.
DuykRuyk 1 year ago
This man is the devil him self and he will pay for what he is saying in the hereafter... ITS A PROMISE
JohnnyFlyn 1 year ago
@JohnnyFlyn how do you know youre not the devil?
144mtl441 1 year ago
@JohnnyFlyn Why is it always in the hereafter? Let's see this pussy you call a god bring it in the here and now.
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
@JohnnyFlyn
someone makes fun of our religion, HE IS EVIL, HE IS THE DEVIL *insert afterlife threat here*.
Always the same with you...
Zuurkool1 1 year ago 2
@Zuurkool1 Because its the truth, thats why it is always repeated. You too will realize the truth when your life reaches your throat.
JohnnyFlyn 1 year ago
@JohnnyFlyn
"you will realize the truth when your life reaches your throat"
rrright, sound reasoning dude, have fun with your life
Zuurkool1 1 year ago 15
@Zuurkool1 I've already made this point. You claim that religious people try to make threats, but it's really the LEFT. If I'm not willing to comply with their dogma, they're try to punish me by saying that I'm "racist" or "Sexist". So, your people aren't really any different when it comes to making threats.
imbaaackk 1 year ago
@imbaaackk
Religious people do make threats, someone did in the comments section, that's the only reason i responded. When you say "their dogma" who exactly are you talking about? the left? typical american, everythings black and white in your political system, i tend to use words as "left and right" as little as possible because it clouds the issue. what exactly is it that you are threatened with? you weren't really clear in your comment.
Zuurkool1 1 year ago 3
@imbaaackk oh poor you, you get called,,,,,a name. That is such a tragedy,
ekbowler 1 year ago
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That's just sad:/
Lababoo1 1 year ago
Can someone fill me in on how this was funny?
EXE155 1 year ago
@EXE155
Because he's pointing out how ridiculous religion seems to a non-believer. If you're a believer, it might not be as funny!
chebob2009 1 year ago
@EXE155 What he's saying is funny because it's true.
J4vex 1 year ago
Of course he's bitter, he's a Jew raised Catholic in New Jersey by non-Italians. No major feasts to celebrate first communion no crazy eight days around Christmas where relatives are showering you with prezzies ...
All to findout that you were never a real Catholic but a "Holocaust Catholic" .... Kinda like the negroes who claim to "find themselves in Africa, coming back here decked out in funny coloured robes and hats calling themsleves Malcolm Mohamed El Shiznit or somethin'
qlaw04 1 year ago
No asshole you can't regulate beliefs or ideas. See guns and drugs are tangible items which have direct consequences on people. Their production unlike ideas can be controlled. Even in Iran you can't outlaw certain thoughts. People can still believe in what they want and think how they want its their actions that can be controlled just as you control other tangible items.
You don't like religion, fine, its your choice. But trying to regulate religious faith ... get a clue!
qlaw04 1 year ago
@qlaw04 In your lifetime you will see the western world outlaw the influence of any and all religions in any and all affairs of the collective of society. There will be laws and punishments for trying to convert or persuade individuals or organizations to or by your faith. Here in Canada we have already removed religion from the schools. No municipal, provincial, or federal building is allowed to display any religious object or literature.
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
@cloudsquirrel Sure,
The only problem they'll face is legal gurantees of freedom of religion such as the First Ammendment which says and I quote "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion."
Simply put, the Congress is not allowed to establish a national church nor are they allowd to legislate for or against religion. There are several courts in the land, and several judges let alone the levels of court.
It'll be a tough road for those wishing to end religion.
qlaw04 1 year ago
@qlaw04 Yup, it will be tough for sure. But those of us fighting against religion are prepared for a long battle and are confident that reason will eventually over throw superstition.
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
@qlaw04 The only government building allowed to display any religious item is the courts, which still use the swearing on of the bible. This too though is currently being challanged and will be out of practice within this decade.
People will still be free to believe in their fairytales, but any attempt you make to push those influence upon another in the future will be dealt with as though you were selling drugs.
Believe it, qlaw04. This is a reality.
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
@cloudsquirrel No its not reality.
The legal challenge to it is NOT based on any sound foundation whatsoever. People who wish not to swear on bibles can take solemn affirmation.
Look son, you don't understand how law works in a free and democratic society.
Freedom of worship is essentially free speech/expression and freedom of conscience and even freedom from discrimination. Een in Canada Section 2 and 15 of the Charter of Rights defends religious freedom. You just are ignorant.
qlaw04 1 year ago
@qlawo4, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
@cloudsquirrel
Sure,
But short of there being a dictatorship in either country ... Canada where the Fundamental Freedoms of Canadians is erased from the Charter or in America, the First Ammendment is striken from the books, again a dictatorship is needed...
There is NO WAY that your suggestion can even be remotely possible under the law.
You'd have to take away freedom of speech, the press, thought... Even China and Cuba tolerate religious worship!
qlaw04 1 year ago
@qlaw04 You are missing my point. There will always be freedom to worship and I advocate and will defend that very freedom even though I believe worshiping gods is more than foolish. What I do NOT advocate and will defend against is those that chose to worship gods continuing to push for their beliefs to influence the morality and direction of society as a collective.
Are you so unable to understand the difference between these two things and why the one must be stopped?
cloudsquirrel 1 year ago
Let the arguments begin… >.>
MattyQStudios 1 year ago
LOL what I love about religion is that you don't follow its rules because you think it's actually wrong to miss Church or eat meat on Good Friday or say God's name in vain, it's because you don't want to go to HELL!! What a great, wonderful, and loving person that makes you!
ohm4 1 year ago
such a cheese-faced jew, and he's really a liberal.
PupuTheClown 1 year ago
A person who behaves morally without the greed for heaven or fear of hell, is more evolved, and far more virtuous than one who is moral only to appease a fictitious emperor.
And yes, there are people who have a very high sense of morality and an exemplary sense of right and wrong, without the need to be rewarded or punished. These people are true moralists because they believe in a principle and abide by it for only that reason. So what if they're atheists?
The religious are moral hypocrites..
sohamthe2nd 1 year ago
@sohamthe2nd
Damn not.. researchers say that people are more educated today but less morality. They r still finding wat caused dat and think of ways to solve the problem.
The answer is human desires r always bad no matter how educated ey are. The solution to that is 'religion', when you have a religion, you'll know your limitation.
srkb001 1 year ago
@sohamthe2nd
There might be non-religious people who behaves morally, but ey r actually copying those morality act fr religious people around them.. though, they r e very unlucky ones. In the next life, they'll still be burn for not doing it for the sake of God..
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001
And I suppose you think that religion provides an excellent moral compass, particularly in its advocacy of infanticide, as in the case of Abraham murdering his son to prove his loyalty to god, or in Exodus of the Old testament, where the genocide of the amalacytes is amounted to the handiwork and will of god. When people express blatant veneration for scripture that clearly demonstrates undertones of homophobia and racism, then you begin to find the origins of immoral behavior.
sohamthe2nd 1 year ago
Spoken like a true blind twat atheist, everyone knows that a moralless code like atheism is the true danger, no marals???, kids doing whatever they like, no wonder the world is crumbling the world needs Jesus.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
You're just regurgitating what you've been filled with... In fact you know nothing about atheist mindset...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
The minute he stops being anti religion he will become a nobody. No one will listen to him.
LizKoz 1 year ago
LOL
xxfredfredxx 2 years ago
Everyone should have a religion and is responsible to search a true religion, which bring to God and heaven.. because this life is temporary and the life after death is forever..
Like it or not..we have been born into this world, so we have to live on how God wants us to live.
srkb001 2 years ago
When you are dead...you are dead...that is it.
I am not going to waste my only life waiting for death....like a mindless fool.
If you are so keen on after life...jump off a cliff now.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
Yes, nobody wants to be remind of death but it will surely come. Do you want to regret later or regret now? Even if you don't believe, you still hv to live again after death.
I'm not keen of death.. but I have to face the reality... I can't change that.
srkb001 2 years ago
lol....No one lives after death. That's what death is...the cessation of living.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
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What a narrow thought. Do you think the One who created the the planets, human, animals, and plants from nothing could not make us live again after death?
srkb001 2 years ago
There is no "one' who created the planets , human, animals and plants, from nothing.
For starters, humans are animals.
And we evolved, like every other animal and plants, and are still evolving. it's why you share 24% of the dna structure of daffodils.
The planet was formed due to chemical reaction.
You are simply..... uneducated.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
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So who created e first animal, n who created the chemical, the air and the brain?
Nobody created our brain? That's ridiculous. Just because you don't want to believe in God, don't pretend to be a scientist.
99% of great scientist have religion .. and dat bcos only when people learn more they realize that they are stupid and they'll become humble. They think more and talk less..
whereas the uneducated people always feel dat they knows everything in the world.. They talk a lot and think less.
srkb001 2 years ago
srkb001 ......You are backward,
Nobody created the first animal, it evolved
Our air is due to atmospheric conditions, providing us oxygen, unlike other planets with different atmospheric conditions, like Mars.
Nobody created the first chemical, it always existed.
Nobody created our brain, it evolved with our species.
99% of scientists are atheists, because they understand knowledge.
Uneducated and stupid people fall for the many different fairy tales, known as religion.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago 7
Why did human stop evolving? why won't we turn into sometg else after few centuries?
This theorywas made by ungrateful arrogant people who didn't want to admit that God is the creator.. but at e end of the day they still don't have the answer for "Who created the chemical?"
And why there are trees in german which says "There no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God.? go and google 4 it if u don't know.
How did e the tree evolve to form a shape like that?
srkb001 2 years ago
@srkb001 There's a tree in Germany that spells what.
goddedme 2 years ago
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srkb001 2 years ago
You can choose to be atheist. but no one will help you after death except God.
Don't be surprised if people don't believe in the holy books.. bcos even some people who lived among e prophets, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad (peace be upon them all) were not believers. So were e people before them.
You have to learn to have faith... but faith is not only for High IQ. Everybody can understand.
God is fair.. He gives heaven to e high or low IQ, rich or poor, sick or healthy, beautiful or ugly.
srkb001 2 years ago
@srkb001 Dude I never said I'm an atheist. I happen to have very spiritual beliefs. I'm just not a knobhead who goes on youtube ranting about made-up German trees spelling fucking stupid things. I'm not anti-muslim; I have more friends who are muslims than christians. But if one of them came up with bullshit like this, claiming trees spelled out "praise god" or telling me they'd seen Jesus in a marmite lid, I'd call them up on it for talking bollocks. :)
goddedme 2 years ago
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srkb001 2 years ago
As I said earlier.. when God send down a sign, not everyone will believe.. people will say it was made up, witchcraft or call the witnesses crazy.. etc..etc..
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srkb001 2 years ago
@srkb001 Type in google "Islam german trees" and go on the top site. It disproves it. The photos were made by a muslim scholar, Dr. Sayed Al-Khudari. They're not real. The site features a letter from the friend of said scholar, imploring the host of a website to remove the claims that the shahada was found in trees because they will bring people to conclude that because these claims are false, then Islam is false. He says that belief in Allah is self-evident, and this damages it. Inshallah.
goddedme 2 years ago
you are......JELLY!!
humbletim10 2 years ago
@srkb001: if you look at this commentpage, you might realize, that you are the one talking the most. maybe you should stop and read others views and start to think.
It could help you a lot.
Who says, that there has to have been an intellegence that created everything? As soon as you accept the idea of non-intentional natural evolution, you will lift those limitations you force upon your brain and see clearly. creation is not the answer.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds, indeed I read many thoughts of the atheists, and I'm so sorry for them that despite they have good brain they did not have faith. So if they are rich, successful and happy in this world, dat is just temporary.. they'll regret forever for denying that God is the one who created their brain.
I think YOU should read the Quran before commenting about what I said
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001: i already read the quran.. all 3 major translations (and no.. I'm not going to learn arabic just for reading it in it's true form)... In my opinion, the quran has the same basic teachings, the bible has, but packs them in pages having 2 lines of "you should do" and 20 lines of "if you don't then....."
If you like to be threatened, quran is the book for you, but not more or less true than any other religous claim there is.
liquidminds 1 year ago
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srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001: oh.. so you're one of those insurance-christians... "can't hurt to believe.. what if they are right?"...
Im a person of principles... If there is a god, that righteous, he lets those into heaven who do good. if he's a sick psycho he tells you to believe that his son died for your sins, and doesn't give crap about his commandments.
But to return your Q: what if your faith isn't strong enough and you need to be like a mormon? you'd go to hell with all us atheists...
liquidminds 1 year ago
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srkb001 1 year ago
@liquidminds
Our responsibility is to learn, only God gives the guidance. There is no Q like 'what if my faith isn't strong enough'... if you feel that when you have a religion, then you have to find another until you don't hv that Q or doubt in ur mind.. n don't assume or claim smthg b4 u learn yourself. Do e research. Its not too late.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 why is it a responsibility? where should we learn it from? and why don't go one god further and accept the obvious truth that there is no god, of any religion in this world, that exists and therefor no god that cares for you or anyone else.
Blind faith is never a solution.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds God cares for you even you r not a believer. He doesn't spare you from getting all the good things He made, He cures you and will always forgive ur sins...
God sent the prophets.. we learn from them..That's not a blind faith. To believe that God isn't exist doesn't make Him nonexistent. People want to be free to do whatever they wish.. but ultimately their own desires will harm themselves.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 what you call "prophet" is what i call scientist. What you call truth, Is what I call atheism.
Welcome to reality. god never existed.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds, Then why scientists have religion? Not all scientist are atheists.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 because they got influenced in their childhood.
The important difference is, that any real scientist would reject the idea of god as soon as facts show that he can't possibly exist, while theists that happen to have a scientific job would twist and turn the facts until they fit the bible. That's not science.
some even accept the idea of a god as psychological valve. a connection to a higher power that helps when you feel powerless. just that it doesn't exist. it's all in your mind.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds You havent answer my previous question.. 'how can there be many scientific evidences in the holy books when people at the time didn't even know how to read and write?
Atheism is a religion where scientist is their God. And because there r many scientists... they have many Gods too.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001: you missunderstand atheism... it has nothing to do with science.
Like science has nothing to do with believe. you can believe what you want in science. but if you want it to be considered reality, you have to face tests and only if you pass all of them, you can consider your faith to be true.
"not believing" in something is not a faith.. or you would be anti-99,999999% of all gods ever created and that would be your religion. not-believing in zeus and his friends.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds Just think 4 a second.. what do you gain by saying there is no God?
The answer is 'Nothing' in the world.. ' Regret' in the hereafter..
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001: what do I gain? the freedom to think for myself, make my own decisions and not to care what some church believes their god wants me to do.
What do you gain from following orders of an invisible, force, you don't even know is for real?
If I tell you some invisible force wants you to clean my house or you go to hell, when can I count on you to show up for cleaning-duty? I'd really need my house cleaned, you really need to believe not to go to hell.. it's a win-win-situation
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds The only one you have to believe without seeing him is God...
and if you don't, you have to find a way to get rid of yourself from death.
The life after death is your life too.. why do you care about your short life in this world, and not your longer life in the hereafter?
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001: why do I care for this life? because I believe it's the only one.
2 possibilities: there is a life after death, and that this is the only life we got.
I live the Life i know for sure that I have, trying to do the best I can.
You waste this life, for the chance of another, better, life after death, by having to convince yourself that you have to blindly believe in a god for it to be true.
Your god created all this, to create a waiting-room? do you believe that?
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds If you say that there is 2 possibilities, meaning you're not sure of what you believe. What if you live again after death? Better be safe than sorry right?
We never have a blind faith. Faith is in the heart. It is in you too.. You're trying to deny it because you want to live as you wish.
You cant choose your God. God is only One.
Its like if you don't believe that your father is your father. He is still your father. You can't choose the kind of father you want.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 When I say that there are two possibilities, I acknowledge the possibility of those to outcomes.
Im my point of view, "no god" wins with 10:1 but still there is a slight chance.
it just isn't the christian-god.. "no god" vs. "the christian god" is 1000000:1 or less....
"better safe than sorry " no, not at all. only Life is for sure, so if you want to be safe. live the life you have and stop worrying about things that are as likely as a cat turning into a dog over night...
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds Dat is wat u said. Rating urself isnt e way 2 proof anything. Religion is not just a faith. Its a faith which comes from logic and evidence.. The 'holy book' is the evidence.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 religion is standardized faith. nothing more, nothing less. Faith comes form NOT KNOWING. Logic and Evidence lead to knowledge.
The only thing "the holy book" is evidence for, is that there was a book written, named "the holy bible".
your "god wrote the bible cuz the bible is gods word and god exists because there is the bible"
but if you want it that way: You are wrong, because it's in this youtube-comment, and this youtubecomment is right, because you are wrong.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds A true religion is knowledge. You'll never understand unless you learn..
yet to learn e religion is not optional. It is compulsory for everyone to search the truth.. because without knowing, people will be astray.
And yes.. i read a holy book which is younger than 2000 yrs. Tks for ur advice.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 Religion is FAITH, that's why it's called FAITH.
FAITH is defined as "believing without knowing"
Religion is, by definition, not knowing.
I stick with the opinion of thousands of christian theologians, rather than with the opinion of a single youtube-user that seems to be obsessed with this video.
liquidminds 1 year ago
sorry everyone here for my load of comments...
what I supposed to do, the Atheists keep asking me questions..
srkb001 1 year ago
sorry everyone here for my load of comments, but the christian is continuously making false claims that are in oposite of what science and his own religion are saying. what i supposed to do?
*sigh*
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds obsessed with this video? should I reply ur msg in other video?
I hope these thousands of christian theologians can help you in the day of judgement.
THE END
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 no.. not really obsessed..
I really would like to understand the psychological process in this self-delusion and why religious fanatics like you are incapable of seeing true facts. Also if there is a possibility to make them see or if we should just let them die stupid and make sure their children learn early to think for themselves so they are safe from their parents miss-informations.
teaching children to fear god is childabuse. someting I can't accept.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds fear God is not like fear ghost... Fear Him for His punishment. If you love your child, teach him to fear God.. tell him what is right and wrong, so he will not go astray.
If you let your child do whatever he wishes, you don't love your child enough. His desires will harm himself.
And remember.. faith and guidance is in God's hand. Even if you don't teach him anything about religion.. when he grows up and learn, he will be a religious person. You can't do nothing about that.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 I'm gonna keep it short this time: LOL
if you only believe in god because you fear him, i pity you. because there just is no evidence.
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds
If u look carefully you'll find that ere's no much different between all religions. They came from one God.
There's only one God who create a muslim, christian, jews, hindus, budhist... or an atheist. Nobody can claim dat 'my God is different from yours'
And why would i worry? You r the one who has to worry, you can't be happy when you're poor, sick, ugly or retard.. but we can.. nothing happen in this world worries us.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 yeah right.. nothing worries you.. that's why muslims do suicidebombs, christians stone children on their way to school, christians threat people with murder just because they aren't happy with their lifestyle...
Obviously all actions of people who have no worries at all.
not to forget, that buddhists don't have any god and hindus are polytheists... only muslims, christians and jews share a common monotheistic god.
you should read some books younger than 2000yrs...
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds You misunderstood..I'm not saying about others, we are not worry about ourselves whether we rich or poor...
So what do you think? If they kill innocent they will enter heaven? Why blame on religion? even muslims will go to hell fire.
Indeed everyone share the same God. God is One.
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001 lets just put the general stupidity of religion aside.
lets just say there is one god.
There are 3 religions, that have this one god (christianity, islam, judaeism)
All 3 worship the same god.
But all 3 have different opinions on what the god wants.
How can you be sure, that your way to worship your god is the correct one?
why is the bible right and the other books wrong? and why does the "wrong"-argument not apply to the bible?
because it was the first you ever heard of???
liquidminds 1 year ago
@liquidminds I liked your comment. Succinct, rational, effective. But by saying the 'correct' one implies that one is in fact correct. I think the argument should apply evenly. Ie: it is most likely that NONE are correct. One way suggests a 33% chance. I don't like that. It will take at least another century for this message to get through to stupid people but I guess we gotta keep trying huh?
Pigroota 1 year ago
@Pigroota: i apreciate your comment. In my recent posts I agreed to do a thought-experiment, to show that even if you could consider it a fact that there is at least one god, the evidence for the christian god, or any other specific god in that matter, are not very convincing and that by implying the christian god to be the only one, more than one claim is made... and prettymuch all of them are wrong ;-)
liquidminds 1 year ago
nothing that happens in this world worries you?? That is a deluded outlook on life you have there buddy. Seems like justification for any number of crimes and crooked actions and suggests that atheists have greater moral fibre than you. For instance... you don't care about global warming and the likelihood that future generations of dumbfucks like yourself won't have a planet to live on? Oh wait a minute... that sounds like a solution, not a problem! I hope the oceans kill us all!! Woooo!
Pigroota 1 year ago
@Pigroota One day when e world has more than 60 % Atheists, ey would start killing anybody who say there is God.
Global warming happened because of scientists who invent so much dangerous things in the world... (might look good for us ...but actually bad for everybody)
Human can never make a good judgment, bcos ey never knew about the future. We must follow e guidance of God to judge.
srkb001 1 year ago
No one kills like that. It's irrational
Did a scientist invent fire? Scientists invent solar power. They are the solution. Not the cause.
Humans have consciousness. They can and should decide for themselves what constitutes a moral law. There will always be people who eschew beliefs of what is moral. Society judges them, not god
"Are good things pious because they are loved by god, or does god love good things because they are pious?" Euthyphro
You fukkn whacko. You should start a cult
Pigroota 1 year ago
@Pigroota
global warming has reasons a sign of last day, we can prevent it A BIT by riding on horses or camel, use candles at night or eat less..but it is a sign of Last Day, we can't prevent dat fr happening..
srkb001 1 year ago
@liquidminds You can't ask God why He did this and that? God does whatever He wishes. If you create a doll, its your wish to give her 2 eyes or more, with wings or without wings and you have the right to dumb her in the dustbin or keep her on a higher shelf. That's God and His creations.
srkb001 1 year ago
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@liquidminds Scientists who believe in God r the real scientist... they admit that human cannot be greater than God after a long research. The more people learn the more they become humble..
And scientist who claim human were from monkeys... r the idiots who run for money.. ey talk more and think less...trying to fool people with their imaginary evidence...
srkb001 1 year ago
@srkb001
No scientists believe in a god. Science explicitly relies on evidence and accepts there is none for a god, so there is no god. if someone is claiming to believe in god as a scientist, they are not doing so as a scientist, but a moron. No scientist can teach bullshit, or base any scientific theory on bullshit. If they do, they are not a scientist but a fucking charlatan preacher.
Move on you desperate fucking retard.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago 13
@fantasy0coach Do you know who Kenneth Miller is? He's the guy who singlehandedly crushed the intelligent design movement at the Dover Area School District trial in 2005. Highly accomplished biologist, author of textbooks, eloquent speaker, highly effective debater, obviously pro-evolution, and.... not only does he believe in a god, but he is also devoutly Catholic.
Obviously he's in the minority, but... just saying.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
Accomplished but a moron. Plenty of morons have sold books, speak publicly as their vocation, have large bank balances and are accomplished,but when it comes to understanding that a god is a childish notion that lacks an understanding and awareness of reality, they are moronic. I could single handedly crush the intelligent design argument, so could anyone with a 4th grade education.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach You seem to think you could have equaled Ken Miller's performance on the witness stand. I can only assume from this that you really have no idea who he is or what he did. You really should look him up.
I also suspect that you haven't read Sam Harris, who explains very clearly why it's impossible to expect total consistency in someone's views.
I agree that belief in the supernatural is silly, but it's almost as silly to insist that one silly belief implies stupidity.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
If I insisted that invisible green leprechauns were living under your bed, would you regard me as insane or at least stupid? God believer's are no different to that assertion. When it comes to their non acceptance of childish fantasy as fictional.....then they are stupid. They could split the atom for all I care, but it wouldnt reduce the fact that they are moronic when it comes to a ridiculous god fantasy.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
If all I knew about you was that you insisted on green leprechauns under my bed, I would think you were a bit silly. If I also knew you to be intelligent in general, I would think of you as an intelligent and fallible person.
You seem to be making a similar qualification in this comment. This is a big change from the absolute and sweeping terms in which you were speaking before. If this better represents your views, then I'm pretty sure I agree.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
lol, which sweeping terms? Moronic? The belief I describe and the god delusion are in fact moronic, not mere fallibility. To not accept overwhelming evidence to the contrary of such delusion, is ridiculous stupidity.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
At first, you were talking about people being stupid for believing in the supernatural, regardless of anything else about them. This means that one stupid belief condemns the whole mind as categorically worthless.
Then, you were talking about people holding stupid beliefs regardless of their intelligence. This is pointing out a flaw, perhaps quite serious and damning, in an otherwise worthy mind.
Do you see how these are quite different claims?
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
I see how they are different claims, I also see that I only suggested the moronic belief to be moronic. I acknowledged all along it doesnt mean they are completely unable to have non moronic aspects. Although that in itself, is a ridiculous situation that I could argue renders them even more moronic. People who have the capacity to reason, should not lose it all of a sudden when a delirious attempt at immortality is in question. Or their sanity is very much in question.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
I count at least two instances where you seem to attack the believers themselves:
"...they are not doing so as a scientist, but a moron."
"Accomplished but a moron."
You also said "no scientists believe in a god," which is simply false.
Based on your later explanations, I take these to be examples of articulative expedience on your part. If that is the case, then once again, we seem to agree. I would only advise caution in your statements on this topic in the future.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
lol nice try. My comment merely pointed out that scientists who believe in a god, dont do so as a scientist. Which is true. Their belief in a fantasy ,in spite of their knowledge, is moronic, not scientific.....as the idiot who I was responding to was insinuating. I think I made that quite clear if you read the full comment in context rather than focusing on certain words, out of context.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
That's what I thought you would say. I am not disagreeing with you here. Please refer to the last paragraph of the comment to which you are responding.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
Fantasy Coach exaggerates a bit - but his point is correct. I would specify that no scientist WHEN USING THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD can conclude there's a god. There have been evangelical Christians who have earned a science degree. But when they make claims about God, they aren't doing so based on the science.
leighgridley2 1 year ago
@d00df00d
In other words, if say a muslim in iran who has been sheltered from reality and only ever fed the koran, believes in fantasy, they are a victim in my eyes, not a moron. If however someone has access to the necessary education, such as your biologist example, but then defy their knowledge for pure fantasy, that is moronic.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
Good point. The only caveat -- not a counter-argument, but a caveat -- is that, as Sam Harris explains in The End of Faith, it is blatantly unreasonable to expect total consistency in someone's beliefs and conduct. We are finite beings and thus bound to err. Thus, the reality on this topic is considerably more complicated than simple categories like "educated" and "moron" can adequately describe.
Incidentally, it's also why science is the way it is. But that's another story.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
Where I would completely disagree with Sam Harris is that any "belief" by it's own nature, is a guess. To have to "believe", means it cant be evidenced by fact, or it wouldnt be a belief, but a reality. So therefore I contend that anyone who professes a "belief' to be anything other than mere guessing, ie: god is real....they are foolish. When it is something proven to be fallacy, it is beyond foolish behaviour, it is moronic. Hence my description.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
Again, I would strongly advise looking up what you're talking about before making sweeping statements. Harris isn't talking about "guesses" on that point, and when he uses the word "belief" he very often (if not usually) means it in the sense of being certain (e.g. "you can believe something only if you think it is true"). You probably would agree with him if you listened to and understood what he said.
d00df00d 1 year ago
@d00df00d
I am sure what i derived from your representation of Harris is not what he said. I was talking about the concept of belief in terms of the religious edict because that is what we are discussing. Their belief, is in fact ignorance. For westerners, the knowledge that the god belief, is in fact a delusion, is everywhere for them to absorb. Many actually do even realise it, but they choose wilful ignorance. It is this ignorance that renders them moronic. It's believing black is white
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@d00df00d
At an intellectual level, It is driven by two emotions. Fear or greed. It is either deep seeded fear scared into them when young, that is so scarring, they cannot relinquish it even in the face of reason. Or it is greed, a childish hope for immortality. To be driven by emotion rather than reason, is irrational. Irrational behaviour is the same as moronic behaviour in definitive terms. The moron claim is not an insult, nor derogatory, it is mere fact.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@d00df00d
And the fact someone has apparent intelligence otherwise to their god delusion, makes them even more ridiculous than the dribbling fool who cant spell cat that chants scripture.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach well religion might have nothing to do with science, but a mighty fight between the two is only in the eyes of retards and attention whores. There are a lot of great people that are religious. Why people seem to belive about such things is beyond you, and you are yet to get a real meaning in life. I'm an agnostic, for the sake of argument.
On a sidenote, nice video.
grigioan 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach My biology professor belives in Vishnu.
cyclos12 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach you do realize that as a person so sure of the non-existence of a god, you're just as bad as the ones so sure that there is one. I'm not religious in the least but that neither forces be to believe nor preach against the existence of an all powerful being. The point in religion is to tell people that you know the answer to what happens to a person after they die. NO ONE KNOWS! It's not about knowing, it's about being humble enough to admit that you don't know. Get it right.
Virgil7734 1 year ago
@Virgil7734
lmao.."what happens after we die".
There is no life after death........anyone with a shred of education understands that death is the cessation of living. We know how our bodies generate life. When it stops doing it, we cease to live. lol
It aint rocket science.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
That was one of the worst posts I've read. I'm studying to become an ethnobotanist and pharmacognosist. You are one of the people who make it difficult for the real scientists to inspire social change. If you represent science as wholly as you claim to, isn't it time to graduate from egocentrism and realize the disparate nature of a god concept and religious associations? No matter how hyper inflated a person's ego may be, they are a human same as the next man
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
Yours would have to be the worst post I have ever read from a self proclaimed scientist. There is no disparity between a 'god concept' and religious associations when someone claims to be a "christian", or a "muslim" etc. The whole premise behind each of the imagined religions is a god concept.
No one living in todays world thought up a god concept. They were all fed the bullshit by existing religion. Try attaining some awareness and rationality to help with your studies.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
If you want to inspire social change, then call a fraud a fraud, call delusion a delusion and call obvious fiction, fiction. Entertaining retarded hopes is not going to effect social change. Attitudes and social acceptance, define societies.
We are not talking about something that is questionable, when it comes to the ludicrous clams of all religion. It is 2010.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
I did, for years even, and I used to be surprised as hell at the lack of progress I made when I got pissy and called people fucking retards. Clinical research into Entheogens is what I'm going for, and if you want to speak on awareness I suggest you take one of the variety of Entheogens available to you and see what you come back with. Shamanism transcends culture and predates religion and historical text, do research and tell me about god then.
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
Ancients greeks had gods. Gods and supernatural explanations were the best people without knowledge could come up with. It doesnt change the fact that everyone living today had the god concept brought to them by today's religion. They have been sold a fraud....and either bought it due to ignorance, or didnt buy it due to understanding it is mere human imagination gone wild. You might focus your studies on ancient behaviours, but we dont live there, so try not to get confused.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
When I say god concept, I mean the concept of a god figure. Regardless of a person's beliefs in god, they are still an empathic human. Some who don't believe in what I call the "Magic Man Hypothesis" god put that belief in themselves, or in other humans. If you believe you are the controller of your life's events, you have assigned the god concept to yourself(which isnt bad). The ego has a natural fear of death as death is the most traumatic thing a one could possibly experience
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
Being the controller of my own actions, which I am, as is everyone, is nothing like a god concept. A god concept is something implanted by someone else.
I dont fear death. Many people dont fear death. Death is not unpleasant. it is not pain. It is cessation of awareness, feeling and life. Any fear of death, or concern over someone else's death, is reserved solely for the living. Dead people dont care.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
The shamans were shaping greek culture before their belief system arose, but thats not the point I'm making. The belief in god for many entails a transcendence of the fear of death, hence the belief in an afterlife associated with most religions. In many cases, belief in god is a means of ego transcendence. Despite this, the human is still human and is subjected to the empathic nature just as much as they are their own weaknesses.
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
in other words you are calling a belief in a god a futile hope. Futility is no way to live a life. especially when it involves joining a cult and oppressing and persecuting other people in a selfish attempt to make them the same idiot that they are.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they were right in their use of god as an explanation for the world that surrounded them, I believe that is detrimental to human progress and freedom. But we have to seek to understand if anything is to be done, fighting an enemy that operates in the unknown to one's self is like banging ones head against a brick wall. Religion is not the ultimate problem facing modern society, even if it is a major player.
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
People who personally believe in santa claus are not the problem. Interfering with others via these cults known as religion is the problem. Religion may very well not be the ultimate problem for humanity, I would hope not, but it is completely unnecessary and significantly detrimental to humanity. For this reason, the dangerous man made fraud known as religion, needs to be outed........everywhere.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
A society is defined by its culture(s), you can't flex like an Anthropologist and maintain a philosophy of ethnocentrism at the same time
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
Culture(s) change, due to societal attitudes. It's why we dont burn witches anymore, even though we are part of that culture.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago
@fantasy0coach
What you are saying is it is a matter of perspective, aren't societal attitudes subjected to the same capacity for change? It seems to me we are just speaking of the same thing in this case. The witch burning could just as easily be assigned to the fading of the tropane alkaloids scopolamine, atropine, and hyoscamine from the culture.
xxSpearMonkeyxx 1 year ago
@xxSpearMonkeyxx
yes social attitudes change frequently. Which is why atheists that are vocal are trying to change social attitudes towards religious fraud. It is working, religion has lost it's grip on most of the western world. The USA is the slowest to awaken due to heavy infiltration by religious fraud in it's society.
fantasy0coach 1 year ago