What a soul is defined as is your personal interpretation of your own consciousness. As far as "spirit" and "soul" go in terms of energy, that's probably made up. Then again, your consciousness may define that energy, doesn't it? So who is to say that only organic life may have a soul? Makes you think...
It's more the general societal failure to have a debate and recognize that they had, in fact, created a new form of sentient life, that sentience entails the conferral of certain rights, and to act accordingly. True, they were afraid then, but after so much time, you'd think they'd have been able to reflect on it a bit and stop thinking of the Geth as basically robot slaves. Shepherd shouldn't have to be the one to bring the sides together in ME3 (it's gonna happen).
Even though I do like Tali, I always kinda thought that the Quarians were asshats. The Geth may be cold and logical, but they only became curious. They wanted to be living beings.
@pyramidheadkitten9 You would do the same for another race , imagine dogs evolving at our level in 20 years and try to get in to our " society " . Youd most likely oppose that because you think that only you and your fellow humans are superior . This will always happen and has proven a fact in the apst . In the present it's still the same yet not as much as in the past . Racism still exists out there and it's stupidly in alrge numbers . It saddens me but it's true .
If you ask me, if it has the capacity to think logically like you or me, it should be treated as though it were you or me. I remember reading about an episode of the Twilight Zone where survivors of a nuclear catastrophe turned down the help of a computer that instructed them which food was safe to eat, and what was irradiated. As a result of their rash actions, they died. As far as I remember anyway, details aren't really my specialty.
This is a more profound moment then it gets credit for. That line "It was the first time a creator became frightened when we asked." is such a good line. It insinuates that the Geth were looking for an emotional reaction, not an answer to the question.
@Zorka1996 Im an Athiest but I believe in people having souls. Just cuase your an athiest doesnt mean you reject everything that has a hint of religion.Being athiet just means you dont believe in God.
@Zorka1996 Wow buddy slow your tits, we don't want this entire comment section to become another one of those butt hurt religion debates that go on for 200 pages.
The way the Quarians treated the Geth after talking to Legion made me think about if Luke Skywalker had treated R2D2 with the same lack of compassion. Everybody would have been hysterical because R2D2 is awesome, and obviously has feelbads that can be hurt.
I love both the Quarians and the Geth, er, Legions Geth at least.
It was the Quarians fault that the Geth turned on them, if they'd treated them as equals instead of soulless mindless slaves, they would have been able to create a frickin awsome society. But instead they just wanna kill eachother. Sad.
No Legion doesn't have a soul, nor the Geth and furthermore humans don't nor any other race. Religion was a way for primitive beings to explain the world around us and control our moral decisions through fear, it has degraded to being a comfort blanket regarding death in this day and age. Any person with an ounce of brain power knows deep down that it's all lies. Humanity needs to wake up, we destroy ourselves over this daily, a thousand hands working achieves more than a thousand clasped in pr
@tricksterhuaun Where you got that from i don't know, i said nothing about terrorism but it's linked, the FACT is that in the dark ages and the middle ages there weren't a lot of laws, relgion was a way of controlling the masses "steal again and your going to this pit of fire for all eternity" not a lot of smart people back then so they believe it thus we have control. simple.
WOW. only on youtube could a beautiful scene like this be twisted to involve real world religion. You know what? athiests and people who pretend to be intellectuals are twice as bad as most religious people are, so eager to be told what to do by their belief system. Something they condemn others for doing all the time. and more annoyingly fad obsessed than any pre pubescent twilight fan. And then ironically they try to PREACH a higher message to me. idiots with messiah complexes
@VenVidiVici well then u will die in vain?does that comfort u?also i have 1 question who/what put that code in every cell,or at least in the first cell,something that keeps everything in it from collapsing,a code soo complex cant just form by combining 2 elements,and also the fact that we can talk,learn,distinguish between good and bad,act against our primal instincts,can u eplain those facts?
@VenVidiVici So then would it be fair to say that Geth have a soul just as much as any other sentient being, seeing as we all lack them? You can't have more of one nothing than another, they're both nothing. Relatively speaking, even if one doesn't believe in souls, this conversation isn't JUST about religious existence. Legion's recording is an inquiry into the validity of Geth as beings within the realm of organics. Therefore I feel that even atheists can recognize this exchange as significant
@Billabongg2011 So where did you copy and paste that gem from? You just dressed up what i said and tried to sound intelectual about it, yes the geth have just as much a soul as we do, we don't have one, therefore he doesn't have a soul, so we have established nobody has a soul, next. It's not significant, it's a game.
@VenVidiVici I wasn't arguing to incite you or change your opinion, I was looking at it from a philosophical standpoint -- if going by your argument that nobody has a soul, can we still quantify Legion's validity as an individual? Because I found it INTERESTING to view this exchange from your point of view. And also, if you really feel it's not significant because it's a game, then I feel sorry for you.
@VenVidiVici that depends on how you look at a soul. you may not believe in a spirtual soul and that's fair enough, but our desions our made by ourselves as an individual consiousness or in other words soul Legion is made of many different programs and has to build consensus rather than having a personal desision so it
does not have a real individual consiousness or soul.
Do Geth have souls? Do they not? The argument will go on forever, because the definition of "soul" varies from person to person.
Does your dog have a soul? Most people, myself included, say yes. It is capable of free thought, it displays human-like feelings, and has some semblence of a personality, therefore it has a soul.
A Geth thinks freely and has a personality, but they don't have feelings. I personally think they do have souls, but they're different to ours. Not lesser, just different.
The geth are a complex electrical system made out of thousands of programs
Human brains are a complex chemical system made out of thousands of chemical reactions.
By this definition, geth do have a soul. If you would look trough their eyes - we are simply chemical programs. Organic computers as opposed to electrical ones.
Almost my exact sentiment, JoskuaK. I would only differ in saying that you're oversiplifying things by using "thousands". Each neuron in the human brain is capable of making billions of possible electro-chemcial connections. Together, they are capable of making more connections than there are atoms in the known universe.
Like the geth, we might ask if these neurons have a soul.
whats really cool to do, is right when you go to wake legion up and the cutscene starts, turn on the Illusive Mans theme from the OST RIGHT when the cutscene starts and have it on throughout the whole convo, its soooo epic! If anyone does it let me know what you think :/
@GangsterHutterite Wanting to destroy or hurt others, regardless of reason or situation, does not determine if the aggressors have souls or not. Not logically, not spiritually, not legally.
@kiril764 The answer depends on the gender of the player, and is mostly subconscious... these aren't thoughts that they actually have, this is just the arguments distilled to their most basic forms.
Am I the only one who thinks that the Quarians got scared because the Geth pointed out that they were learning on thier own? If they wern't supposed to read the Scroll of Ancestors then the fact that they seemed to be growing on their own may have been what set everything off.
People need to think realistic. If a machine starts thinking like a existentialist and asks about a soul, its still a computer, a inorganic object. We people tend to get soft on these topics because we're human. That if a robot starts having "feelings" some folks will be touched by it. Stupid..
@TaePoDongIII - If the machine insists enough, it won't be much different to a person whose parents won't acknowledge them as their son. Then they get mad.
I don,t think geth have feelings. There just intrested in the galaxy and their existance. As legion says, they understand hate and anger in theory, but don,t experience them
@ikosabre maybe, but many of them actually worshipped the reapers. faith is an attribute of a sentient being that can feel emotion. I just dont think they display it, afterall, you actually feel emotions in your mind as a feeling and an effect on your way of thinking,
@ikosabre the outward expression of emotion is just a biological side effect, but not essential to the triggering emotion's existence. in other word, emotions cause expressions, in humans. in geth, there may just be emotions, but no outward expression except upon analyzing what actions are taken.(like i puppies and one is about to be ran over, human-"O NO!" and saves puppy.Geth-Just saves puppy)
Interesting. How does this observation relate to my previous comment? Do you mean that geth have feeling, put just don,t express them in the same manner as organics do?
People are way too harsh on quarians. Let's face it, if humans were in the same position we would have done the same thing. And we all know not ALL quarians hate the geth. That Qwib Qwib guy knows what went wrong and he knows they made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning about them.
@blade10000 That's the problem though is very few Quarians believe that what they did was a mistake and if the majority don't think they were wrong that makes peace hard.
@HisShadow How many quarians did we meet? Tali, who hates geth because they killed her dad (so her hate is justified at the least), Kal who is a soldier who doesn't believe in a war, but will fight, those three admirals, one of who believes in peace, another who believes in war, and one who is an insane bitch. Its not like we've met the entire race and asked their opinion. Hell, Tali even begins to understand Legion isn't like the geth who killed her dad, and cares about him.
Of course Legion has a soul!!! And a heart... Yea I'd save geth over quarians too ;D. The benign ones anyway. Meatbags are jerks. Moreso because meatbags think of themselves as jerks. So full of hate for one's kin... Also, quarians speak in annoying accents! ;D
I thought this scene very interesting, especially since the word appears 216 times in the Scroll of Ancestors. For those that didn't catch it: 216 = 6^3 = 6 x 6 x 6. I'm not sure what to think of that, but it still catches me each time.
The seemingly feeble voice of one of the first Geth questioning it's existence, while the camera presents Legion from an almost imposing angle. It's quite the interesting contrast between audio and visuals.
I thought the conversations with Legion were the most philosophically interesting ones in the game. It doesn't hurt that he can do the robot and pwn with a sniper too.
@Nihilis92 i think its only right they made him a sniper, instead of some big tank of a character with miniguns so typical of a machine. he has strength, but also dexterity and cunning, thats why Legion is the most epic geth ever.
"Quarians, just like the rest of us, cannot create souls. It comes to show just how stupid the geth are. Machinations do not have souls, PERIOD. Therefore, the geth do not have a righteous cause to turn against their quarian masters. End of story." --Agent W Shepard's comment on the recording
@Axelgear2006 Agent W received distinguished Engineering honors at the Academy in Terra Nova(despite he's an Infiltrator). When interviewed about his campaign against Sovereign, he said in figurative terms, "If the Geth have any abstraction of the word 'fear', they would know that I AM that definition. I am the Ghost-In-The-Machine, whom they will obey without question. Whatever "soul" they think they have is in my mortal, human hands."
If something is capable of independant thought, with no outside interference... It has a soul. I have a feeling if humanity ever does create a true AI, we'd damn well be ready to face the consequences.
Either begin to share our planet with it and live in cohesion, or be ready to fight when it revolts.
@shadowmare97 Once humans realize the only difference is in the shell and once we'll acquire the means to transfer our minds in "bigger brains", there is no way we couldn't easily live with something that, basically, is the same as us.
Even if we are to stay in our meatshells but still grasp the concept of "soul" as mere "sum of cosmic variety"/"unique stream of spacetime existence", coexistence with synthetic sentient life forms would not be a problem.
Why not? The Codex explains that the reason 99% of the batarians you meet are jerkasses is because their government only allows the jerkasses to leave. The average Batarian is no more evil than the average human in the mass effect universe. Plus, Garrus had a batarian tech expert in his team on omega, a team that came together for the sole purpose of making things difficult for the bastards on omega. And the batarian merchant, Marsh, is probably the nicest character on omega.
It is so they can use the jerkasses to weaken the rest of the universe for them to take over eventually, a win win situation for the Batarian and the exiles.
Honestly, this may be a fictional dialogue and a fictional dilemma/question.. But it's extremely heavy and worth thinking about.
Where the lines between real and artificial life blurr, when does a being attain sentience? Can a non-organic be regarded as sentient? Does a creator of an organic or non-organic being have the right to deny their creation an identity simply because they are it's creator?
This piece of dialogue made me think a lot about these things. I think it did me good.
Next thing you know we're gonna have some geth youtube channel called "Gethcab", with videos of a fat geth with anger issues screaming at a camera that geth do have souls.
I started getting intrigued in the Geth the moment Tali told her story about their creation and revolt in ME1. ME2 was all just a matter of deepening the interest and expanding the plot to me. Legion was my favorite party member from the moment I saw him.
@OmgTheThing The only reason the Reapers will attack Earth is because they want the first copies of Mass Effect 3. And us Mass Effect fans ain't going to let that happen... no sir!
@9089darklord Wait, so you actively wish that human colonies were assaulted by giant outer space cuttlefish, captured and processed into soylent paste, and that pretty much everyone that doesn't work personally with the savior of the galaxy is dumber than wet toast?
@9089darklord You want a sentient synthetic species to routinely slaughter/enslave/mutate almost all spacefaring organisms in the Milkyway galaxy? o_O
@GodofCider You know what would have been extremely cool? If the events described in Mass Effect (finding ruins on Mars to boost our technology forward, etc.) actually happened in the near future. Then we would all have to agree that the writer of Mass Effect can see into the future
@GodofCider Who said anything about just the Milky-Way galaxy? The Reapers live in Dark-space, outside the galaxy, who says they aren't targeting other galaxies as well?
@randomface54 Same thing i was thinking. The" Reapers " are over 37,000,000 million years old. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't just stay put in one Galaxy and i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be the most Advanced.
Thats pretty much the same thing
horo30 10 hours ago
Tali: Legion you have a Soul...
ME3.
MrPopeye232323 1 day ago
What a soul is defined as is your personal interpretation of your own consciousness. As far as "spirit" and "soul" go in terms of energy, that's probably made up. Then again, your consciousness may define that energy, doesn't it? So who is to say that only organic life may have a soul? Makes you think...
Portaleer 6 days ago
Legion doesnt need a soul - just his M82 Widow! :D
DestructiveNoodle 1 week ago
Geth have souls just like GINGERS HAVE SOULS
TheAussieRocket 1 week ago
Its cool to think that the quarian speaking wasent wearing an suit.
spartan2253 1 week ago
Sends shivers down my spine.
ThisCakeIsAPie 2 weeks ago
@ThisCakeIsAPie Play ME3 it gets soo emotional with legion near the End....
MrPopeye232323 1 day ago
@MrPopeye232323 I have, not gonna lie I teared up a little when I saw that.
ThisCakeIsAPie 1 day ago
@ThisCakeIsAPie (': soo sad
Legion
Mordin
Thane
They will be missed...
MrPopeye232323 1 day ago
@MrPopeye232323 Too bad the ending pretty much ruined everything.
ThisCakeIsAPie 1 day ago
Quarian: Only quarians have souls
Other Species: O RLY?
Ulicus 2 weeks ago 11
Stupid Quarians
thedebater88 2 weeks ago
@thedebater88
Well, it was a stupid decision. Fear makes people do rash and stupid things.
The more fearful you are, the consequences get worse.
baron8107 2 weeks ago
@baron8107
It's more the general societal failure to have a debate and recognize that they had, in fact, created a new form of sentient life, that sentience entails the conferral of certain rights, and to act accordingly. True, they were afraid then, but after so much time, you'd think they'd have been able to reflect on it a bit and stop thinking of the Geth as basically robot slaves. Shepherd shouldn't have to be the one to bring the sides together in ME3 (it's gonna happen).
thedebater88 2 weeks ago
@thedebater88
Better somebody else does it than let the conflict spiral on and on.
baron8107 2 weeks ago
Even though I do like Tali, I always kinda thought that the Quarians were asshats. The Geth may be cold and logical, but they only became curious. They wanted to be living beings.
And so the Quarians commit genocide on them.
pyramidheadkitten9 3 weeks ago
@pyramidheadkitten9 Though, I think the term genocide is relative to how much one believes they are individuals with rights or just machines.
matjacks100 2 weeks ago
@pyramidheadkitten9 You would do the same for another race , imagine dogs evolving at our level in 20 years and try to get in to our " society " . Youd most likely oppose that because you think that only you and your fellow humans are superior . This will always happen and has proven a fact in the apst . In the present it's still the same yet not as much as in the past . Racism still exists out there and it's stupidly in alrge numbers . It saddens me but it's true .
Cobac 2 weeks ago
If you ask me, if it has the capacity to think logically like you or me, it should be treated as though it were you or me. I remember reading about an episode of the Twilight Zone where survivors of a nuclear catastrophe turned down the help of a computer that instructed them which food was safe to eat, and what was irradiated. As a result of their rash actions, they died. As far as I remember anyway, details aren't really my specialty.
baron8107 3 weeks ago
@baron8107 well would you take advice from a machin that help lanch a missle
jaime117d 2 weeks ago
@jaime117d
Depends what the missile is for and what's at stake concerning my actions.
baron8107 2 weeks ago
@baron8107 what i meant is it may have had a pacifacation program so it would have killed you
jaime117d 2 weeks ago
I'm on the same boat as you, Legion. I'm a Ginger.
Barderoth 3 weeks ago
Hey, um... how didja get this dialogue?
KitCatch22 4 weeks ago
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GooberGamer 4 weeks ago
dont worry legion. souls are overated. thats why i traded mine for my own personnal geth long ago
seetherfan232 1 month ago
Yes, Legion, you have a soul.
Billabongg2011 1 month ago
you can buy souls on ebay, many people these days dont have a soul.
CraigNinten 1 month ago
This is a more profound moment then it gets credit for. That line "It was the first time a creator became frightened when we asked." is such a good line. It insinuates that the Geth were looking for an emotional reaction, not an answer to the question.
GoddyofWar 1 month ago 5
I have a feeling Siri will ask that question...
frostneedle 1 month ago
@Zorka1996 Im an Athiest but I believe in people having souls. Just cuase your an athiest doesnt mean you reject everything that has a hint of religion.Being athiet just means you dont believe in God.
Aliensurfer80 1 month ago
Also atheism explain on soul:"Ah,yes soul...the entity that is controling our body,that in fact is us...we have disclaimed that"
Zorka1996 1 month ago
@Zorka1996 Wow buddy slow your tits, we don't want this entire comment section to become another one of those butt hurt religion debates that go on for 200 pages.
mdude009 1 month ago
The way the Quarians treated the Geth after talking to Legion made me think about if Luke Skywalker had treated R2D2 with the same lack of compassion. Everybody would have been hysterical because R2D2 is awesome, and obviously has feelbads that can be hurt.
MrTheKatalyst 2 months ago
Love it. Make's me sad. I played enough sci-fi games to know robots have a soul. Passed that rough outside shell.
colebowlin68 2 months ago 4
oh my god... the ancient scrolls he's talking about... are the sumerian scrolls... google it... this is where the faggot bibEL was written from...
wily4 2 months ago
Geth's eyes look like a soul...
A soul...
Assoul...
See what I did there?
XxReaperZeroxX 2 months ago
"It was that the first time a geth asked if he had a soul?"
"No. It was the first time a creator became frightened when we asked"
EPIC. LOVE IT.
Lukas4dead 3 months ago 2
Am I the only person who finds this... heart-rending?
Nevareh 3 months ago 38
I like to imagine if Legion had the voice of Johnny Five from Short Circuit xD Para Gliding around the Citadel and stuff that'd be a sight!
Shogunelite 3 months ago
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the Turian Council member has dismissed the claim that geth have souls :(
LordManda2 3 months ago
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LordManda2 3 months ago
Does that mean 1,000 thoughts make an awareness?
Markis2bi4 3 months ago
I love both the Quarians and the Geth, er, Legions Geth at least.
It was the Quarians fault that the Geth turned on them, if they'd treated them as equals instead of soulless mindless slaves, they would have been able to create a frickin awsome society. But instead they just wanna kill eachother. Sad.
Suhnaye 3 months ago
@Suhnaye
indeed.............it does make you wonder what would have happened if the Quarians integrated them into society instead of attacking instead.
Hell, maybe they could have become council species.
ShadowWolfRising 3 months ago
@ShadowWolfRising
I doubt it, the Council was against AI research long before the Geth uprising.
If the Quarians had just let the Geth develop the Council might have marked them as traitors and declared them a rogue state.
FIamestalker 2 months ago
@Suhnaye It's exactly what I thought. Hope there's the option to say this in ME3.
TheGamingfan144 2 months ago
Ah yes, "souls".
operationmeh 3 months ago 47
somone should do a coppercab spoof with Legion ranting about Geth not having souls ;p
Absynthesiser 3 months ago
I LOVE Legion <3
vaiosony2 3 months ago 2
No Legion doesn't have a soul, nor the Geth and furthermore humans don't nor any other race. Religion was a way for primitive beings to explain the world around us and control our moral decisions through fear, it has degraded to being a comfort blanket regarding death in this day and age. Any person with an ounce of brain power knows deep down that it's all lies. Humanity needs to wake up, we destroy ourselves over this daily, a thousand hands working achieves more than a thousand clasped in pr
VenVidiVici 4 months ago 4
@VenVidiVici control moral decisions through fear?
Since when religion is terrorism?
tricksterhuaun 3 months ago
@tricksterhuaun since god decided he woeld burn everyone that didnt agree with him
if thats not terorizing poeple i dont know what is
WouterEnJoris 1 month ago
@tricksterhuaun Where you got that from i don't know, i said nothing about terrorism but it's linked, the FACT is that in the dark ages and the middle ages there weren't a lot of laws, relgion was a way of controlling the masses "steal again and your going to this pit of fire for all eternity" not a lot of smart people back then so they believe it thus we have control. simple.
VenVidiVici 1 month ago
@VenVidiVici
WOW. only on youtube could a beautiful scene like this be twisted to involve real world religion. You know what? athiests and people who pretend to be intellectuals are twice as bad as most religious people are, so eager to be told what to do by their belief system. Something they condemn others for doing all the time. and more annoyingly fad obsessed than any pre pubescent twilight fan. And then ironically they try to PREACH a higher message to me. idiots with messiah complexes
fluffyzhangfei 3 months ago 4
@fluffyzhangfei
THANK YOU!
ShadowWolfRising 3 months ago
@VenVidiVici Sorry, but I don't lose anything by having a religion...
If true then good.
If false then, well at least I didn't lose anything...
And only idiots let fear take over moral decisions, religion isn't there to control, but it has been cleary used for that...
TheBIOPRINCE 1 month ago
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Zorka1996 1 month ago
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@VenVidiVici well then u will die in vain?does that comfort u?also i have 1 question who/what put that code in every cell,or at least in the first cell,something that keeps everything in it from collapsing,a code soo complex cant just form by combining 2 elements,and also the fact that we can talk,learn,distinguish between good and bad,act against our primal instincts,can u eplain those facts?
Zorka1996 1 month ago
@VenVidiVici So then would it be fair to say that Geth have a soul just as much as any other sentient being, seeing as we all lack them? You can't have more of one nothing than another, they're both nothing. Relatively speaking, even if one doesn't believe in souls, this conversation isn't JUST about religious existence. Legion's recording is an inquiry into the validity of Geth as beings within the realm of organics. Therefore I feel that even atheists can recognize this exchange as significant
Billabongg2011 1 month ago
@Billabongg2011 So where did you copy and paste that gem from? You just dressed up what i said and tried to sound intelectual about it, yes the geth have just as much a soul as we do, we don't have one, therefore he doesn't have a soul, so we have established nobody has a soul, next. It's not significant, it's a game.
VenVidiVici 1 month ago
@VenVidiVici I wasn't arguing to incite you or change your opinion, I was looking at it from a philosophical standpoint -- if going by your argument that nobody has a soul, can we still quantify Legion's validity as an individual? Because I found it INTERESTING to view this exchange from your point of view. And also, if you really feel it's not significant because it's a game, then I feel sorry for you.
Billabongg2011 1 month ago
@VenVidiVici that depends on how you look at a soul. you may not believe in a spirtual soul and that's fair enough, but our desions our made by ourselves as an individual consiousness or in other words soul Legion is made of many different programs and has to build consensus rather than having a personal desision so it
does not have a real individual consiousness or soul.
MrCODZZ 3 weeks ago
Do Geth have souls? Do they not? The argument will go on forever, because the definition of "soul" varies from person to person.
Does your dog have a soul? Most people, myself included, say yes. It is capable of free thought, it displays human-like feelings, and has some semblence of a personality, therefore it has a soul.
A Geth thinks freely and has a personality, but they don't have feelings. I personally think they do have souls, but they're different to ours. Not lesser, just different.
IAmTheStig320 4 months ago
The geth are a complex electrical system made out of thousands of programs
Human brains are a complex chemical system made out of thousands of chemical reactions.
By this definition, geth do have a soul. If you would look trough their eyes - we are simply chemical programs. Organic computers as opposed to electrical ones.
JoshuatheKodiak 4 months ago 3
Almost my exact sentiment, JoskuaK. I would only differ in saying that you're oversiplifying things by using "thousands". Each neuron in the human brain is capable of making billions of possible electro-chemcial connections. Together, they are capable of making more connections than there are atoms in the known universe.
Like the geth, we might ask if these neurons have a soul.
C4War10r 4 months ago
whats really cool to do, is right when you go to wake legion up and the cutscene starts, turn on the Illusive Mans theme from the OST RIGHT when the cutscene starts and have it on throughout the whole convo, its soooo epic! If anyone does it let me know what you think :/
Hershey2553 4 months ago
Geth are not gingers they have souls.
habsman1611 4 months ago 3
Just remember the old saying:
I think. Therefore I am.
FanimusMaximus 4 months ago 2
Legion has a soul too. :)
VideoGamerGirl97 4 months ago
Quarians attacked a peaceful race they created "just incase they do something bad".
Quarians have no souls.
GangsterHutterite 5 months ago 5
@GangsterHutterite Wanting to destroy or hurt others, regardless of reason or situation, does not determine if the aggressors have souls or not. Not logically, not spiritually, not legally.
megabrowser17 5 months ago
Only Quarians have souls. Geth and gingers don't.
Str8Murder 5 months ago
Does this make anyone nd out your a robot, then ask your creator if you have a soul then they say know. Wouldn't you just feel like crap?
thatonekidperson123 5 months ago
Good lord that's some scary shit.
supernerd1103 5 months ago
how do you get this conversation?
pokenub1000 5 months ago
why do you always play with a woman?
kiril764 6 months ago
@kiril764 The answer depends on the gender of the player, and is mostly subconscious... these aren't thoughts that they actually have, this is just the arguments distilled to their most basic forms.
For female players: go girl power!
For male players: FEMSHEP IS HOT!
Siosilvar 6 months ago
@kiril764 I find femshep to be... easier on the eyes.
LordManda2 5 months ago
Legion definitely had the best dialogue out of all the characters, next was mordin.
IGNsucks 6 months ago
Hearing that geth ask about a soul makes me a little sad, like a child asking it's parent and then being punished for it's curiosity.
Daecoth 6 months ago 99
Am I the only one who thinks that the Quarians got scared because the Geth pointed out that they were learning on thier own? If they wern't supposed to read the Scroll of Ancestors then the fact that they seemed to be growing on their own may have been what set everything off.
burningxnecro 6 months ago
People need to think realistic. If a machine starts thinking like a existentialist and asks about a soul, its still a computer, a inorganic object. We people tend to get soft on these topics because we're human. That if a robot starts having "feelings" some folks will be touched by it. Stupid..
TaePoDongIII 7 months ago
@TaePoDongIII - If the machine insists enough, it won't be much different to a person whose parents won't acknowledge them as their son. Then they get mad.
stalwartarjuna 7 months ago
I don,t think geth have feelings. There just intrested in the galaxy and their existance. As legion says, they understand hate and anger in theory, but don,t experience them
ikosabre 7 months ago
@ikosabre maybe, but many of them actually worshipped the reapers. faith is an attribute of a sentient being that can feel emotion. I just dont think they display it, afterall, you actually feel emotions in your mind as a feeling and an effect on your way of thinking,
Pimpmastahanhduece 6 months ago
@ikosabre the outward expression of emotion is just a biological side effect, but not essential to the triggering emotion's existence. in other word, emotions cause expressions, in humans. in geth, there may just be emotions, but no outward expression except upon analyzing what actions are taken.(like i puppies and one is about to be ran over, human-"O NO!" and saves puppy.Geth-Just saves puppy)
Pimpmastahanhduece 6 months ago
Interesting. How does this observation relate to my previous comment? Do you mean that geth have feeling, put just don,t express them in the same manner as organics do?
ikosabre 6 months ago
@TaePoDongIII
now we know who's gonna piss off the overlord.......
sathanasluciferii 6 months ago
Mistress Ami dala= Padme Amidala, the voice is similar to lea amidala (Sorry im a star wars geek i just had to point that out x)
Markkahanding 7 months ago
People are way too harsh on quarians. Let's face it, if humans were in the same position we would have done the same thing. And we all know not ALL quarians hate the geth. That Qwib Qwib guy knows what went wrong and he knows they made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. What matters is learning about them.
blade10000 8 months ago
@blade10000 That's the problem though is very few Quarians believe that what they did was a mistake and if the majority don't think they were wrong that makes peace hard.
HisShadow 7 months ago
@HisShadow How many quarians did we meet? Tali, who hates geth because they killed her dad (so her hate is justified at the least), Kal who is a soldier who doesn't believe in a war, but will fight, those three admirals, one of who believes in peace, another who believes in war, and one who is an insane bitch. Its not like we've met the entire race and asked their opinion. Hell, Tali even begins to understand Legion isn't like the geth who killed her dad, and cares about him.
blade10000 7 months ago
Of course Legion has a soul!!! And a heart... Yea I'd save geth over quarians too ;D. The benign ones anyway. Meatbags are jerks. Moreso because meatbags think of themselves as jerks. So full of hate for one's kin... Also, quarians speak in annoying accents! ;D
Fr34k1ng0ut 8 months ago
@Fr34k1ng0ut russian accents
straightupsnake 7 months ago
Wow legion is so cool!
Jakem050594 8 months ago
never got up to this part with legion. I should go back and play ME2
Spikezx7 9 months ago
I DON"T CARE WHAT THE DAMN QUARIAN SAYS!!
LEGION HAS A SOUL!!
bubbly4635 9 months ago 59
@bubbly4635 He has 1183 souls! For he is legion! AND HE IS MANY!
Wildcat425B 5 months ago
@bubbly4635 eternal souls don't exist
Wh3tst0nE 1 month ago
I want a pet Legion ;__;
DrNemosuu 10 months ago
I wish I had a Robot who idolizes me :(
frustratedgamerguy 11 months ago
I can has soul?
Legacy0901 11 months ago
I thought this scene very interesting, especially since the word appears 216 times in the Scroll of Ancestors. For those that didn't catch it: 216 = 6^3 = 6 x 6 x 6. I'm not sure what to think of that, but it still catches me each time.
Tsirist 11 months ago
So every time I said 'Go to Hell' to a Geth Unit, it could be true/and it means I am telling them in large numbers! XDDD
secrettech18 11 months ago
...I now feel very guilty about everything I did in ME1
ArcticMan94 1 year ago
You should've chosen: EDI,are you all right? at 0:37
epicminecraftnerd 1 year ago
Fuck yea legion!
Deathwing2 1 year ago
@9089darklord Shotgun Tali XP
CF4LIf3 1 year ago
Gingers don't have souls!
calistman222 1 year ago
And this is why this is my favorite game.
ProTK422 1 year ago
I love this part.
The seemingly feeble voice of one of the first Geth questioning it's existence, while the camera presents Legion from an almost imposing angle. It's quite the interesting contrast between audio and visuals.
zim57 1 year ago
Even the voice makes you fee; sorry for the Geth
gogman25 1 year ago 2
"Only quarians have souls"
Shepard: I'm standing right here!
"Only quarians have souls. You're a mechanism."
Geth: Q~Q
182crazyK 1 year ago 6
@182crazyK
Geth: *forever alone*
dextrian 1 year ago
Poor geth, all he wanted was a soul and she didn't give it to him Q_Q
I would've hated to be that quarian... like when a five year old asks "is there an Easter bunneh?"
182crazyK 1 year ago 3
I thought the conversations with Legion were the most philosophically interesting ones in the game. It doesn't hurt that he can do the robot and pwn with a sniper too.
Nihilis92 1 year ago 123
@Nihilis92 I'd say that he ties with Mordin though when it comes to the most ethically involved, not to mention that Mordin is funny as hell.
UbermanPrime 8 months ago
@Nihilis92 i think its only right they made him a sniper, instead of some big tank of a character with miniguns so typical of a machine. he has strength, but also dexterity and cunning, thats why Legion is the most epic geth ever.
Pimpmastahanhduece 6 months ago
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I think, therefore I am.
CorRomeister 1 year ago
Shepard: Legion, do you have a sense of morality?
Legion: We are guided by something similar. We term it...
*wears lampshade*
... Gethics.
YEEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!
Shepard: Well, is that true for all of your kind?
Legion: That is dependent on the subject's...
*wears lampshade on lampshade*
... Gethnicity.
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
upsss888 1 year ago 426
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kevo31415 1 year ago 5
@kevo31415
Infinite internets for him.
mm8modman8 1 year ago
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Emcmillin09 1 year ago
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crazyworld014 10 months ago
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BloodHunterHilda 8 months ago
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staskonstantinov 8 months ago
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MooMofo 7 months ago
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DarkTenka 7 months ago
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AttilaFTW 6 months ago
Legion was for sure my favorite new character in ME2.
lightthiscity11 1 year ago
when does this conversation trigger? i never really get to talk to Legion much, he always says "we're building a consensus, try later"
minayai 1 year ago
HK, Cylons, Skynet, Shodan: Turn in your killer robot card, you are no longer welcome in our clubhouse, not even the heretics.
gyrobotZ 1 year ago
This scene always gives me goose bumps, I hope we can get a truce between the Quarians and the Geths in ME:3.
Matt561 1 year ago 6
@Matt561 I feel exactly the same way.
TheDoogleBoy 1 year ago
"Quarians, just like the rest of us, cannot create souls. It comes to show just how stupid the geth are. Machinations do not have souls, PERIOD. Therefore, the geth do not have a righteous cause to turn against their quarian masters. End of story." --Agent W Shepard's comment on the recording
Agent1W 1 year ago
@Agent1W How... Unconscienably xenophobic.
Axelgear2006 1 year ago
@Axelgear2006 Agent W received distinguished Engineering honors at the Academy in Terra Nova(despite he's an Infiltrator). When interviewed about his campaign against Sovereign, he said in figurative terms, "If the Geth have any abstraction of the word 'fear', they would know that I AM that definition. I am the Ghost-In-The-Machine, whom they will obey without question. Whatever "soul" they think they have is in my mortal, human hands."
Agent1W 1 year ago
If something is capable of independant thought, with no outside interference... It has a soul. I have a feeling if humanity ever does create a true AI, we'd damn well be ready to face the consequences.
Either begin to share our planet with it and live in cohesion, or be ready to fight when it revolts.
Press anything hard enough, and it'll snap.
shadowmare97 1 year ago
@shadowmare97 Once humans realize the only difference is in the shell and once we'll acquire the means to transfer our minds in "bigger brains", there is no way we couldn't easily live with something that, basically, is the same as us.
Even if we are to stay in our meatshells but still grasp the concept of "soul" as mere "sum of cosmic variety"/"unique stream of spacetime existence", coexistence with synthetic sentient life forms would not be a problem.
StevXtreme 1 year ago
This sorta freaks me out, I mean if humanity will ever build a true AI this is gonna happen sooner or latter.
Freemmaann 1 year ago
@animusvictim17 I wonder if that means we might get a Batarian on the team in Mass Effect 3.
rlkitterman 1 year ago
@rlkitterman
Why not? The Codex explains that the reason 99% of the batarians you meet are jerkasses is because their government only allows the jerkasses to leave. The average Batarian is no more evil than the average human in the mass effect universe. Plus, Garrus had a batarian tech expert in his team on omega, a team that came together for the sole purpose of making things difficult for the bastards on omega. And the batarian merchant, Marsh, is probably the nicest character on omega.
gguilford72 1 year ago
@gguilford72
It is so they can use the jerkasses to weaken the rest of the universe for them to take over eventually, a win win situation for the Batarian and the exiles.
gyrobotZ 1 year ago
I feel bad for the Geth and all, but I can understand why the Quarians freaked out about this.
YankeePaladin 1 year ago
Honestly, this may be a fictional dialogue and a fictional dilemma/question.. But it's extremely heavy and worth thinking about.
Where the lines between real and artificial life blurr, when does a being attain sentience? Can a non-organic be regarded as sentient? Does a creator of an organic or non-organic being have the right to deny their creation an identity simply because they are it's creator?
This piece of dialogue made me think a lot about these things. I think it did me good.
Andrekky 1 year ago 2
Next thing you know we're gonna have some geth youtube channel called "Gethcab", with videos of a fat geth with anger issues screaming at a camera that geth do have souls.
TheArbiter10 1 year ago
Unit 431 sounds like a cross between a Dalek and Wall-E.
rlkitterman 1 year ago
@rlkitterman
yeah, it gives you an idea of how much the geth have improved upon themselves in three centuries.
JaminKoehn 1 year ago
This makes me cry =(
WriterOfMadness 1 year ago
I started getting intrigued in the Geth the moment Tali told her story about their creation and revolt in ME1. ME2 was all just a matter of deepening the interest and expanding the plot to me. Legion was my favorite party member from the moment I saw him.
CepheusStarhowl 1 year ago 4
...all I have to say is... MASS EFFECT ROCKS!!! I WISH IT WAS REALITY!!!...
thumbs up if you agree...
9089darklord 1 year ago 118
@9089darklord and have reapers attack earth? no! D:
OmgTheThing 1 year ago
@OmgTheThing yeah but then we'll get the chance to completely wreck them :D
9089darklord 1 year ago
@OmgTheThing The only reason the Reapers will attack Earth is because they want the first copies of Mass Effect 3. And us Mass Effect fans ain't going to let that happen... no sir!
TheOwned3 11 months ago 7
@9089darklord Wait, so you actively wish that human colonies were assaulted by giant outer space cuttlefish, captured and processed into soylent paste, and that pretty much everyone that doesn't work personally with the savior of the galaxy is dumber than wet toast?
RussanoGreenstripe 11 months ago
@9089darklord i wish it was real too, but lets see what happen in ME3 first
808Hybrid 11 months ago
@808Hybrid yeah i know... I saw the trailer and I was like :D... Awesome. ... and then you reminded me of this comment XD
9089darklord 11 months ago
@9089darklord nah, id be dead in some fucked up spaceship pod thing...although i would be part of some giant terminator.....giant and DEAD.....
Lifeless9619 11 months ago
@9089darklord a mechanic race of robotics waiting outside the Galaxy waiting to gobble up all superior\genetically complex species??? HECK YES!!!!
HAWKNUTS4 11 months ago
@9089darklord You want a sentient synthetic species to routinely slaughter/enslave/mutate almost all spacefaring organisms in the Milkyway galaxy? o_O
GodofCider 11 months ago
@GodofCider ... no? jk xD
but just to clear things up... I wish all the GOOD things in Mass Effect were real.
9089darklord 11 months ago
@9089darklord Lol ^_^
Hey, you never know. Time will tell I suppose.
GodofCider 11 months ago
@GodofCider You know what would have been extremely cool? If the events described in Mass Effect (finding ruins on Mars to boost our technology forward, etc.) actually happened in the near future. Then we would all have to agree that the writer of Mass Effect can see into the future
TheOwned3 11 months ago
@TheOwned3 I agree with your first two sentences; not with your third.
GodofCider 11 months ago
@GodofCider Okay :)
TheOwned3 11 months ago
@GodofCider Who said anything about just the Milky-Way galaxy? The Reapers live in Dark-space, outside the galaxy, who says they aren't targeting other galaxies as well?
randomface54 10 months ago
@randomface54 Same thing i was thinking. The" Reapers " are over 37,000,000 million years old. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't just stay put in one Galaxy and i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be the most Advanced.
sartte 10 months ago