Just look up the declaration from the council of chalcedon, which can also be found on wikipedia, and you will get a better understanding. Jesus was not fully god and fully man, that would not make sense, he was truly God, and truly men, taking on the nature of a man in addition to his divine nature in order to glorify the human body, but the two natures are still distinct. He could have lied in his human nature, distinct from his divine, this question has no effect on the learned christian.
You asked a question based on what the Bible says. I will answer based on the Bible.
God is spirit, incorporeal, therefore cannot be seen. When God became Man (Jesus), He allowed His Spirit to be locked in a physical body. Spirit is distinct from body. Jesus made that distinction when He said, 'The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.' The spirit still cannot be seen but the physical body of course is obvious to all.
It is the physical body that needs sustenance, grows tired, hungers and thirsts. It is the physical body that changes in growth and development, a biological change.
Of course God has the 'ability' to lie. I mean, how much power is needed to tell a lie? He could lie if He wants to but He does not lie because He is never found in a compromising position when He has to lie and He does not do that which is contrary to His nature which is truth. I mean if I choose to tell the truth all the time, does it mean I don't have the ability to lie??
Who says God cannot be tempted? The Israelites tempted God in the desert. To tempt means to try, to test. God can be tempted, so Jesus can be tempted. When James 1:13 says that 'God cannot be tempted by/with evil' he was focusing on God as the self-sufficient sovereign of the universe with no unmet needs.
I should get that one million dollar but I know you're not going to give it to me.
@astujest God cannot lie, for that would make him unholy. It is literally impossible for God to lie, there is no corruption in him.. he is utterly complete & without flaw.
@LeoTheGreater where is your evidence that Jesus lied? Humiliating yourself isn't a sin, nor is it a lie. Rude behavior isn't necessarily a sin- it's when the language is vulgar-- that's when it's a sin.
you got some statements inaccurate, it is not Christians or Christianity that believes Jesus was fully man & fully God. It is Christendom that believes that. There's a slight difference, use a dictionary.
In short, TRUE Christians (like those in the 1st century) believed in the same God the Jews believed in, Jehovah. Jesus was his son just as the bible says over and over. Simple really.
The Roman Catholic Church caused all the confusion. It's because they're part of Babylon the Great.
from the stuff that "I" read about "Jesus" he seemed like a pretty "F**K THE GOVERNMENT" type of guy, i mean they did murder him right? name me anyone who ever had a massive impact on the world as him who was ever aloud to live. and i dont think he "was" GOD" because if you do your reseearch "GOD" doesnt get you vary far, but i think that he was the "incarnation of the most high", an embodiment of the universal laws of truth & rightousness. bless.
Of course He can, but He will not. Those are two different things. I suggest you find yourself a good inductive Bible study before going on with this nonsense. And for those who are saying Jesus was an atheist, no, He was a Jew.
This is just a useless arguement.Pitting words together and natures does nothing .I don't waste my time trying to find contradictions ,etc etc . The spiritual phenomena of the world is much to big to argue against
do you feel happy now that you found this cause in the bibble it also said that he turned water in to wine if that is somthing a full human can do please let me know
@smitty221905 I am very sorry. You can't be involved in vicarious redemption or allow sin to be inherited and be considered a moral agency. Your ethical credibility is eroded by your proposition of these morally vacant ideas. Christianity fails on these two concepts alone.
Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the king of kings and lord of lords, Gods wrath on judgement day scares even the devil when he thinks on this truth! God have mercy on us all.
Jesus is the key to all humanitys redemption, he did not come to condemn the world but to redeem the world. He was without sin and wasnt an aithiest he knew of his father God, why not read the word yourself? cause evil cant speak the name Jesus in love or question is why.
@pjbrooks01 You tell lies to save lives too. Of course in this event you are choosing the best moral course. Lying is not always wrong and you knew this all along.
Jesus did not have to lie because He is/was the Truth = God's word. Whether He can or cannot is irrelevant because He did not, nor did He have to. Man tells lies to cover their ass or spare someone's feelings. Jesus owned every decision he ever made and was open and honest to all who encountered Him. He spoke truthfully and honestly to all, no matter how it made them feel. Jesus never lied. He as the Son of Man had the ability to do all, even lie, but why would He when He embodied the truth?
Jesus had lots of sins, all given him by others which is typically where sin comes from, from others. But as far as lying Jesus did that too. He also humiliated himself, was rebuked by a woman and subsequently apologized for his rude behaviour. Jesus was a common sense man. As far as the devil goes, there is no such animal except the Tasmanian Devil from down under. Biblical scripture shows you exactly when and how Jesus lied but I guess you haven't read that part yet.
Jesus had lots of sins, all given him by others which is typically where sin comes from, from others. But as far as lying Jesus did that too. He also humiliated himself, was rebuked by a woman and subsequently apologized for his rude behaviour. Jesus was a common sense man. As far as the devil goes, there is no such animal except the
I see you quoted a lot of verses when backing up your statement, but you forgot about Philippians 2 where is talks about Christ covering up his deity (laying down his divine rights) to become human. He was God but he wasnt all knowing, all powerful, and he certainly wasnt present everywhere. because He layed down his attributes that made him God for a short time. His nature was still God but he did not posses the attributes of God.
Most of the verses I quote I take from the words of Jesus, (presumably his words but not necessarily) not the words of others who were one or more generations removed and merely commented about their philosophy, I quoted and remarked purely on Jesus. From Acts onward have no words of Jesus only what others thought about it which at this time I offered my own bias without supernaturalism.
I don't want to be mean spirited here but there are two points I will make about Philippians 2 you mentioned regarding the "(laying down his divine rights) to become human."
1. Whoever would tell you such a thing has religious rocks in his head
2. Whoever believes such a thing has religious rocks in his head.
You would be no common sense pal with Jesus if either point applied to you.
Why can't God lie? Why is it impossible for God to lie? Your presentation of humanity is also somewhat flawed;man can sin, but man can also not sin. So, to answer your question; Yes/No. God can choose to lie but by his very nature and very being he can not any more than you can choose to be a dog. Contextually the question lacks merit because it is based on a wrong understanding of the metaphysical "being" of both God and humanity.
(Part 6) I will explain it this way. Imagine you were face to face with God. You would be surrounded by the Holy Presence of Light. That's all you would see.You would be able to 'sense' Him and He would fill all of your senses. Now, God will manifest Himself to come to talk to you face to face. Yahshua would be the form of God that would come to you and that you could look at and relate to. Out of the Light of God comes the form of God....Yahshua. Amen.
(Part 5) The Spirit of God in Yahshua, that perished not, rose from Hell, after taking the keys of Death from the Enemy, and recreated a New imperishable body of which He now lives in forever more. That manifestation of God lives INSIDE the Almighty Father as an intecessor and High Priest for man's sake.
God is a Spirit but He has a physical represetative in the person of Yahshua. When you see God, you see Yahshua, otherwise you cannot see God. He is invisible like the spirit of man is.
(Part 4) To sum it all: REAL Life is the Spirit of God in Man. It is the Holy Spirit of God that is the REAL animating force within man. Without it, you are like a flame that will expire when the fuel in flesh runs out. It was the Holy Spirit that animated the Christ. That Holy Spirit is without corruption. We have a spirit but it is corrupted and needs the Holy Spirit to purify and refine and redefine our being. The man of Yeshua perished on the Cross but the Spirit of God perished not. Glory!
( Part 3) The Holy Spirit of Yahshua was NEVER destroyed because it is that part of Him that Is God the Almighty and that is the answer to your question. The flesh was sacrificed. The Spirit was Eternal. Joh 10:17 '"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
(Part 2) God occupied the BEING of man... through the person of Yeshua the Messiah. You must look through spiritual eyes to understand spiritual things and if you are not willing to look through they eyes of understanding then you will NEVER be more than a walking dead person. The Holy Spirit of Yahoveh occupied the human flesh of a man...but only for a short time. The flesh was sacrificed and the Spirit Man, who was God, became a New Eternal Manifestation of God. (See part 3 )
To deflate your assertion, I will refute that the Hypostatic Union is the ONLY authority. It is ridiculous to assume that there is only ONE way to answer a question or that there is only ONE answer to a question. In the same way that water can manifest 3 different ways, God manifests Himself to man in 3 different ways. In the same way that man is more than just a 'brain' or 'flesh' but also an animate intelligence occupying the same space simutaneously, so God occupied the BEING of man through..
And finally Where does the Father live? IN HIS KINGDOM!
You can read it in Luke 17: 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” THE KINGDOM OF GOD (THE FATHER) IS WITHIN YOU.
The clergy only teaches you about the supernatural gods of men which as we all know is called mythology.
And preferably just wake up right after the collection plate passed by. But when Jesus got up, they were all ears to wonder what amazing thing he'd say next. Jesus and I and the Father are one, and that is one of the simplest things to understand, and it is easy to him who has understanding. Has nothing to do with ego, has nothing to do with blasphemy, it has only to do with your understanding that Jesus knew he was a microcosom of the whole human race by simply looking inside seeing the father.
As a footnote just remember Jesus never had the New Testament Bible, not because he didn't like it, he just never had it. The only bible Jesus ever had in his hand was the Old Testament scriptures but when Jesus read and explained the scriptures, EVERYONE was on the edge of his seat wondering what AMZING thing he would say next because he taught them as one having authority, not like the preachers. When the preachers got up everyone curled up and went for a quiet doze until the benediction. lol
First, I'm an Atheist. Secondly, your vid/logic/question can be answered. Not all Christin religions believe that Jesus and god are one and the same. Or that god came to earth as a man. Granted most do, but Jehovahs Witnesses don't. They believe Jesus was sent to earth by god...that Jesus was his first son....first creation. That Jesus was a perfect man, the second Adam. Just a little FYI for you. And yes, I studied with the JW's for a few years.
Your error is found in your incorrect assumption. You call Jesus man as in human and that which is created by God but Jesus was not created but is God the Creator who took off His immortal form and put on mortality and the form of man. So was Jesus totally mortal? Yes. But was Jesus a man (as in, something created) No. God is Spirit, this Spirit is TRUTH displaying LOVE and Jesus is TRUTH and LOVE (God) appearing in mortal flesh as man appears but risen in immortal flesh as God stands visible.
This video is basing its entire presentation on one tiny lil (actually large gaping) premise: that is the human nature of all mankind since Genesis 3 is the same human nature that Jesus had. Since DeceptiveEvangelist is using his big boy churchy words like hypostatic union that I assume he is theologically astute enough to know the answer lies in Genesis 2:9 thru 3:15
Hell in itself is a ridiculous notion. how are you supposed to feel pain without a body? no pain receptors, or nerves to send the signals to your brain. oh yeah, no brain to interpret the pain. no consciousness can exist without a brain of some sort, and when you die... you well, um... die... your body stops working, and you cease to exist. good luck hurting me in a flaming world i can't see/hear/smell/taste/feel, or think about...
Wow, it could only be a child's mind to ask a question so loaded as that. Could Jesus lie? Of course he could, if He so choose to. If Jesus was not capable of sinning, what would have been the purpose of Him giving His life, you fool. He lived to fulfill the law because man could not. Christ is fully God. Can a general of an army be a father, a son a brother, a husband, of course he can. Just as Jesus can be both the Father and the Son. You are stupid. Can the fastest runner lose a race?
Bogus question based on a false premise: Jesus' "humanness" does not refer to his nature, as you present, but rather his physicality. He did not have a sinful nature because that the human (fallen) nature is passed down from generation to generation through the father. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (God), not Joseph (human). Nice try though.
Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. How? Jesus endured all of the sufferings of mankind, in totality, while resricting his own use of his omnipotence on Earth to helping others. Jesus was presented with the opportunity to sin (temptation-Matthew 4:1-11), but in his humanity, resisted sin. In short, the answer to the question in the video is fully man, yes, he was able to lie. BUT, because he was also fully God, Jesus was unable to fail at resisting temptation.Read the Bible not wikipedia
lol, so let me get this straight. You want us to answer these two questions in absolutes? This ideaology is sith like in nature. Secondly, God created us in his image, and this is a contradictory statement because once the forbidden fruit was consumed man then became God like ( Self aware). To compare one self to The Most High is entirely good. Segmenting the bible is deceptive and in order to allowing no room for rational thought.
Why do ppl care so much what other ppl think or believe in? Maybe worry about what you believe in and research everything you can so your assumption on life is the best one you can have. Trying to debunk someones understanding of a book is getting old.
@tamer1236 When someone believes that the person they are talking to is going to spend an eternity in 'hell' then they try their hardest to correct them in order to save them from an eternity of pain. Christians debate out of love (although sometimes people get under their skin).
Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Because Jesus was an atheist and the religious wingnuts of his day sought to imprison him, throw him over cliffs, stone him, whip him, beat him, mock him and crucify him, which is no different than religious wingnuts do today to atheists and gays alike, especially in Muslim countries
@cockalorum101 Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs makes perfect sense.
Jesus may have been a Jew by birth but he was an Atheist by choice; that's why they tried to kill him. He did not try to "fix" religion because religion was as unfixable then_ as it is unfixable today, the entire religious Laws were corrupted because the Status Quo did not understand how to practice the Law. The punitive Mosaic Law of Revenge, eye for an eye, was not fixable; it was replaced by its correct fulfillment by Jesus, Universal Laws: Forgiveness, Compassion and Love.
@cockalorum101 Surely you are an idiot? Do you really think anyone would take your mumblings seriously? You make no logical argument. Jesus taught from the scriptures every chance He got, and He knew them well. To say Jesus was an atheist, when He clearly told everyone who He was, is lunacy. You should seek help, fast.
I quote from the scriptures just like Jesus and I know them well. I am an atheist, Jesus was an atheist, Jesus and I are one. As previously queried: "Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE!" Jesus clearly was tagged by a society brainwashed by the clergy deceivers, like yourself, with the supernatural, magic and miracles. Jesus debunked the supernatural. You are a regurgitating minion without common sense.
Why do they allow such dumb ass idiots like you on the internet who can't think for themselves but have to regurgitate nonsense? Well that's simple, you are a brainwashed religious whackoist fully deceived by what the clergy(who Jesus hated and who hated Jesus because he taught them the truth about scriptures as I do myself) tells you and all like minded twirps without the common sense to discard ludicrous statements about angels, demons, poof poof magic, and OMG, God Myths.
Well this is not a claim made lightly but thanks for not pre-empting my answer with derision as so many religionists and others do.
There are a number of reasons not the least is the fact that Jesus hated religion, hated the church and hated the clergy, hated the pretense of prayer, and hated the rituals and the show off pomp for the accolades of men.
The clergy of the day had the people bamboozled with the supernatural and everything that happened...
......the clergy could not understand or fabricated without reason, they attributed to the supernatural finger of God. Such things as famine survivors were attributed to God and physical healings also they attributed to God but Jesus did not buy into the myths, magic and supernatural because he had too much common sense for them. On several occasions Jesus debunked the supernatural, the God thing as it were and further incurred the wrath of the clergy. They hated him ......
....so much because Jesus interpreted scriptures perfectly, For example he offers the clergy two instances where he debunked the god myth supernatural being given credit for some things: Luke 4: 25-30 says about the famine and who Elijah went to, to help and again there were lots of lepers but the prophet Elisha cured no one but Naaman the Syrian whereby all those in the synagogue were filled with wrath and wanted to throw him over the cliff.
In addition Jesus always referred to the Conscience, the Self Witness as the Father we all have inside: the memory of brain that teaches us by experience, reason and logic so we may have that Good Gosh, Holy Spirit to guide us through life. Jesus had out-of-the-ordinary common sense and so the masses called him the son of god, a label he neither sought, endorsed or accepted unlike the hoaxster clergy who were and are always......
....willing, ready and able to proclaim themselves prophets having unique powers and medium skills with the myths of imagination. Yet people today still accept their blessed miracle water in ketchup packages and send in their money, willingly.
When the Pharisees asked Jesus if he was the son of god his pat answer was always. "Thou sayest it"; in other words, it is you who say it as we do today when people call us names.."That's what you say" (sarcasm)
When Pilate kept asking him at trial "Are you the King of the Jews"?. What did Jesus reply, "It is as you say"; in other words: Jesus knew that whatever they wanted to say about him that's what the label would be, so he never conformed the label, just acknowledged that whatever they said that was what it was, they were in the seats of power. After he stated that he remained silent and would answer them nothing because he knew it was useless! Same thing when he went before Herod
@cockalorum101 How can you say that Jesus is an atheist You must not have a Bible. Jesus never denied God and he came to establish a church that can not be corrupted. That church is in our hearts when we accept his will and give up our own shallow desires. I bet if you ask, someone will give you a Bible. Good luck
I know the bible as well as Jesus knew the bible and everything he quoted and explained had meaning that went right over the top of your head as it went over the top of the heads of all the clergy in that time and today is no different. I understand and therefore know the bible better than you know the back of your hand. All I hear from religionists are the hackneyed expressions that are so tiresome and repetitious and frankly a bunch of hogwash. I can easily challenge you.
It is easy as child's play to know that Jesus hated religion and everything religion stands for: the hypocrisy, the pretense, the devouring of widow's property, the lengthy show of prayers, the rituals, the greetings, the highest seats, the_ supernatural caca del toro, the building of tombs, decorating graves. Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Jesus was an atheist.
XD nice try but you have to think harder, I agree about "always question your faith" some christians can believe some very stupid stuff, but I would also recommend you to fully understand why Jesus was 100% God and 100% Human before "debunking" it with such a limited analysis, most probable thing here is that your brain can only solve "formal problems" right now, if you open your mind enough you might start thinking like the big boys ;)
Wow you think that's a brilliant question? Now since I'm asuming you're Muslim, let me ask you where in the Hebrew bible does God allow a 50 year old man to marry a pre-puberty, underage girl and much less by a 50 year old man? By today's standards that'd make any man instead of a "prophet" a child molester. Furthermore he himself said at first his words were not from God and changed his tune which if you read also in the Hebrew bible that if anyone comes in the name of God...
That if someone comes in the name of God saying they're a prophet and what the say doesn't come true then they're FALSE prophets and must be stoned. So since he admitted at first he was wrong what does that make him? If you're really sincere about finding the truth you must admit this religion is false and seek God with a clean and sincere heart.
The doctrine of Yahusha (Jesus Christ to some) was based on Wikipedia facts? This is news to me. I guess I am just an unlearned believer who uses the papyrus based texts known as the Bible. I am not sure (because I don't judge or condemn others because Yahusha told me not to in the scriptures) but I don't think many of the "elect" base their beliefs on Wikipedia my learned brother. Sorry but...FAIL.
Your video reminds me of the clueless math student who multiplies both sides of an equation by zero & thinks he's solved it.
Here's a big hint for you: Theologians would stop reading at the point where you believed that sin would be the determinant of Jesus' humanity. By your "logic", Adam&Eve were not human until they sinned. Big fail on that one.
I'm a retired R.S. prof who taught at universities in both USA & UK. But Sunday School would be enough to debunk you..
I would suggest to you exactly what I've recommended to anti-evolution Christians: "If you are so certain that you have made an incredible discovery, submit it to a peer-reviewed journal, win the accolades of scholars throughout the world, and go down in history for your amazing analytical skills which exceed those of academics who have spent a lifetime on such topics."
Indeed, you & they have far more in common than you think. Check out Kruger-Dunning effect. You're an illustration of it.
I'm curious: Do you also think it "illogical" for a beam of light to exhibit the properties of both waves and particles at the same time? (Perhaps I should construct a table for you.)
Don't try and justify yourself by confusing how he came to earth. Being born a man made him just as frail as we are, with the same temptations as we face yet remained without sin.
The point was that he could and didn't. His perfection on earth wasn't easy but was necessary for us to have a perfect individual to die our death and stand before the Father. He stands perfect and represents us as flawed, imperfect individuals. Only someone perfect can stand before a holy God and make a case to let us enter in to a holy place. If you don't believe, you will still have to stand before God and He will Judge you for your imperfection. Can you stand alone or will you need Jesus?
Why would anyone search for a reason for the grave to be the end? Cease to exist? No point to life? Freak accident of nature? Not normal? Why raise a kid for him only to suffer death and be erased from existence? Why do anything?
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , "Why have you made me like this?" (Romans 9:20 NKJV)
He did not lie. Just because humans can lie you think that proves he did??? really? humans can murder, humans can steal humans can comit adultery(thats taking yyour friends girl). Just because humans can lie and all that you think that proves christ lied? why?
@MissKittyFantasm You must be confused, I read the and follow the word of God the best I can, I do not go to a place to HEAR the word of God preached where there are priests, I never said unbelievers don't have morals, but where do you get them from??
@bohilas also, i don't say that i have the proof you are looking for, and that it comes in a book. so check yourself, read my words closely, and don't push your bias onto me because you don't know anything about me but what i say. i only want you to accept that its ok for people like me, who have had and still pursue real experiences w a higher state of being to do so, even though i can't give you proof for it. religion does not hurt people, people hurt people.
@MissKittyFantasm i'm glad you mention your personal experience, because many ppl commenting aren't taking PERSONAL experience into consideration. we need to move beyond personal experience on both sides of the argument so that we don't limit either side. no one should push anything on others- only have open, engaging, and respectful discussion. it's clear that not all atheists are the nice and considerate ones that you have interacted with.
@bohilas this is what i have a problem w-- u have ur own understanding of what you think a christian or a religious person is, so you say that it is stupid or irrational and causes problems. however, you refuse to take into account that not everyone fits into your box, and that plenty of religious ppl believe that love and god span all religions because true love is god an is all encompassing, and only waits for ppl to seek it. you are offensive, i love my muslim bf and all my brothers & sisters
The logic of this video is flawed. The chart says "Man can lie" not "Man must lie". So, one can be human and not lie. It is only that God cannot be God and lie. So, Jesus was fully human, yet did not lie.
I actually think you can easily avoid this question by saying that God could "lie" in the sense of speaking an untruth if He wanted to but "cannot lie" according to the Bible because it literally means "He does not lie".
Or you can say that God is the essence of the universe, a pantheistic idea, or that everything exists in the mind of God; there are dozens if not hundreds of metaphysical and rhetorical ways around this question.
There no greater or more noble a purpose than this, that the people be governed, by a Ruler that reigns like rain and shines like sun, for both fall on everyone equally, as it should be. THAT, is how kings must rule the people. The King's favour like the gods he worships, must reach Everything, and Everybody, Everywhere on Earth. Amen.
It is easy as child's play to know that Jesus hated religion and everything religion stands for: the hypocrisy, the pretense, the devouring of widow's property, the lengthy show of prayers, the rituals, the greetings, the highest seats, the_ supernatural caca del toro, the building of tombs, decorating graves. Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Jesus was an atheist
This is an interesting, albeit slanted and incomplete, video addressing what seems to be a fundamental problem with Christian doctrine. If we define and limit our terms to what the video presents then the answer provided by AA Champ satisfactorily answers this seeming conundrum. However, instead of asking the question “Can Jesus lie” let’s ask what the spirit of that question is “Can/could/would/does Jesus have the CAPACITY (ie nature) to sin (lie, cheat, steal, lust, covet, etc)?
The only way to read the bible is to delete every reference to the supernatural and magic. The supernatural does not exist and magic as we know(except children and religious theotards) is sleight of hand and illusion. Otherwise the bible is a hand-me-down-accounts of the record of mankind as far back as memory allows and any further back than that is based purely on imagination. If I asked you to come up with a story how the world began, well. what would it be? Da Daa the Bible!
jesus didn't sin, was tempted but never fell to it, bible was written by people who said god can't lie, if god can do anything, he can lie but he choses not to, jesus lived a perfect life even though he easlily could have not. Is this considered answered? (Call the grammar police
Mayans and many other Natives believe in many GODS...and none were Jesus...then some men who did believe In Jesus came accross the water and tried to convert them..When these native people chose not to..They went to war and killed many Natives with guns, Raped there women and spread nasty dieases through the air that killed half of them...And these people believed in Jesus...Some religon right?????
i KNOW there's a god. And WHERE heaven is at.I have had? (VISIONS) of god , and have had witnesses who are still living today who saw this. All you islamists and other over - the top religious groups , you may come and kill me if you wish , i will not put up a fight and i don't want anyone to die for me , as do any real followers of the fish. (remember the roman arenas) If you want to hear my explanation , go to my youtube username channel.
@kevin347lee christianity comes through as one of humanity's most ignorant religoins..... living their life by a book that was written 2000 years ago that has two thousand year old ideals that are shifted from the view of comtemporary christianity. why? Because society has uprooted the ridiculous christian ideals.
According to God's NEW MESSAGE for humanity, Jesus is an Angel incarnated as human. sent by God, and then came Mohammed, he was the last messenger who brought a complete new understanding to humanity.
All previous messages have been changed and abused by people, this always happens when a pure message is given to an impure world.
@worldwiderelease then why is there not only ONE monotheistic religoun and why do people still worship hindu gods, whose believers all claim the power of prayer for THEIR god or gods?
@SmileyPsycho1 There is of course one God and one religion in essence. the form it takes is just the outside.Only at different times and circumstances certain messages were needed and delivered to bring about change,the outcome is on humanity, we have to respond and take responsibility to become activated by God's calling.Many things have been added to any holy scriptures Bible. Koran,& Vedic scriptures, I gave them away because the changes are too bad.There is a pure message now.NEWMESSAGE(.org
Put an end to all of the guilt that you hold inside from the choices that you have made. Start life over with the slate wiped clean. Moreover, ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
um, are you serious? Jesus came in the form of a man, he didnt have a father. we inherit our sin from adam. its not humanity that is wrong, its the sin nature in humanity. wow i thought that would be obvious.
we are created in the image of god who must look like a man. duh. im pretty sure jesus was just fine in a human body without sin nature, when jesus died he took all humanitys sin upon himself and went to hell for 3 days, he rose from the dead and preached for a few months then was raptured.
@SamuelJCir or, God gave you sin, and now will to punish you all in the fires of hell for eternity unless you worship him and repent... He corrupted you to control you with the promise of removing the blemish he placed on you in the first place. another cult if ever there was...
You have debunked NOTHING, only shown that you lack wisdom to understand that which is written and found in the Word of God....but I do agree in one point. Many who claim to be Christian do not understand what is TRULY written either, because of false teachings and the corrupt church doctrines of men.
KJV bible see Heb 2:14-18 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil. 16) For..He took not on Him the nature of angels, but...the seed of Abraham.17)...it behoved Him to be made like His brethren...18) for in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
To understand who Jesus Christ was, understand Matt 1:23 Emmanuel-God with us. I Cor 15 the different bodies; John 1:1-14 The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY begotten of the Father,full of grace and truth.
Jesus tells us Flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit. He did not come in the flesh to be worshiped but as Saviour of the World, thru His willing sacrifice for our sins on the cross, that by faith and repentance we may have eternal life.
AAchamp7 gives a good answer. But here is another. Assuming Christ was not God. Like Adam he was made perfect. But unlike Adam transgressed Jesus did not. Jesus been man could have sinned or lied but chose not to. Jesus proved therefore that we can be human and do the will of God and not sin or lie.. If Jesus was God in the flesh. Then he could not have lied. Therefore he was God in human form so that men ccould behold him. The term man could be humanities charactor or man in his form?
@Shei77 yeah i don't support any of those things you just said, including pushing my religion on any one- including you. i'm just trying to make you see that atheism can be forcibly and rudely pushed on others, and can just as easily brain wash people into believing it without reflection. also, i have a more expansive view of all religions that allows me to not dismiss or degrade them as fiction. thanks for pushing your assumptions on me. i'm clearly not the bigot you want me to be. sorry.
@007lamiss I have never had an atheist try to convert me in my life. From personal experience, most atheists react to the attempted indoctrination from religious people with no tolerance for any other belief or non-belief.
@Shei77 indoctrinating children? Most of our laws and moral laws come from the bible, do you believe in anarchy and a world of chaos? If your an atheist, morally there is nothing wrong with raping or murder, what proof do you have of morals? Guess they don't exist, YOU are the ones who need to stop INDOCTRINATING OUR children!
What a load of rubbish. It stated that He was made flesh, but without sin. This isn't no shock question. For someone who doesn't understand the Bible yes, but for a true believe certainly not. It's just plain stupid.
Perhaps one question can answer another. Since human words cannot describe the greatness of God, how can humans claim to analyze God? If God chose the Holy Trinity as a component of his existence, who are we to judge God's choices or question the rationality of His choices? Can we as humans expect to understand Him? I think not.
"For those who believe no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible". I love and Trust in Him and that suffices for me. Peace be with you all- Salam Alaikum.
This isn't self contradictory at all I know I can lie I have the ability to think for my actions and do what I please I was granted with that right and I am a fully born Christ Follower, Jesus cannot lie because he was created by the GOD of the Heaven and of earth which means he is the divine son of GOD But brought into the world by Mary a human which makes him GOD in image and Son of woman which is man
Atheists believe what you want. Your not forced to do anything. You are free to do anything. Just how God is free do anything. He chooses not to. Thats what it means when that bible states that God cannot lie.
Also, is being able to lie a requirement for being human? According to most doctors, I'd say not. I'd say having a physical body and being able to sustain life within that body makes him human. We see his human side when he was hungry and tempted by Satan.
As a fellow atheist, I'm sorry to say that this question is just ignorant. There are really only 2 outcomes of this question. The first being that a knowledgable Christian will be able to destroy your question, and a stupid Christian simply won't care. There's pretty much no single question that can destroy anyone's faith in a religion. The best you can hope for is to ask questions that will spark their curiosity and get them questioning their faith. If you can't get that, then it's hopeless.
You do not understand.Jesus was a sinless human.Sinful, fallen humans do lie, but a sinless human cannot. Jesus was born without sin, so that he could take our sins upon Himself so that we would not have to suffer the penalty for those sins. By allowing Him to take our sins, and accepting that substitution, we can be restored to God and spiritual sinlessness (although not fleshly sinlessness) as our body is corrupt. We will get new sinless bodies to match our sinless spirit at the resurrection.
@conniemaew (If this being actually existed) I didn't give him permission to 'take' my sins, under what permission did he do this for me or anyone living now?
@MissKittyFantasm Wow, sorry you don't appreciate such a great love for you. He didn't take your sins yet.He took the punishment for your sins so you don't have to but you're under no obligation to accept it. You can suffer for your own sins if you choose. Personally knowing that someone loves me so much to have died in my place, taking the awful punishment I deserve, I'm eternally grateful that he did & I joyfully accept his gift, freely given. Sorry you feel that way.
@MissKittyFantasm I assume you dont care... But he made us, because he loves us, we messed up and cant fix it. He became a man lived the life we should have lived honest and sinless, he gave up his first place and his life, so we can be with him when we die. He doesnt need permission if he made you, its all up to you if you want to live or you want to die, Thats what the book says anyway. Just sayin.
Found this just now on a good web page for @SudanCarib "To travel into the world of the Christian mystic, one must discard concepts such as ego, pride and spiritual materialism in favor of adopting a sense of humility and hopeful expectation. It is to begin a great and stirring adventure that moves the soul from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of God."
Most sects of those who follow th God of Abraham do not abhear to scripture totally but observe false doctrine that came from men and not God
Using this kind of info to discredit the bible does not prove or disprove anything True Christains already know how modern Christainity is false and mixed with paganism
Babylon is the whole world around us Confussion is ramped. It will not be long before
Just look up the declaration from the council of chalcedon, which can also be found on wikipedia, and you will get a better understanding. Jesus was not fully god and fully man, that would not make sense, he was truly God, and truly men, taking on the nature of a man in addition to his divine nature in order to glorify the human body, but the two natures are still distinct. He could have lied in his human nature, distinct from his divine, this question has no effect on the learned christian.
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@KSPHOTO29 1st Dumb thing that every Christian believe. Jesus is God. Hump.. lets see what Jesus said about himself.
John 20:17 - "I ascend to My Father and to your Father, My God and to your God."
How can the Father be Jesus God if Christ himself was God? How can God have a God.
Where in the world Jesus have said in bible that he is God? One single verse show me and i will accept Christianity
Do tell me about 20:17 bro. How can God have a God?
flexpape 1 hour ago
You asked a question based on what the Bible says. I will answer based on the Bible.
God is spirit, incorporeal, therefore cannot be seen. When God became Man (Jesus), He allowed His Spirit to be locked in a physical body. Spirit is distinct from body. Jesus made that distinction when He said, 'The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.' The spirit still cannot be seen but the physical body of course is obvious to all.
astujest 2 hours ago
It is the physical body that needs sustenance, grows tired, hungers and thirsts. It is the physical body that changes in growth and development, a biological change.
astujest 2 hours ago
Of course God has the 'ability' to lie. I mean, how much power is needed to tell a lie? He could lie if He wants to but He does not lie because He is never found in a compromising position when He has to lie and He does not do that which is contrary to His nature which is truth. I mean if I choose to tell the truth all the time, does it mean I don't have the ability to lie??
astujest 2 hours ago
Who says God cannot be tempted? The Israelites tempted God in the desert. To tempt means to try, to test. God can be tempted, so Jesus can be tempted. When James 1:13 says that 'God cannot be tempted by/with evil' he was focusing on God as the self-sufficient sovereign of the universe with no unmet needs.
I should get that one million dollar but I know you're not going to give it to me.
astujest 2 hours ago
@astujest God cannot lie, for that would make him unholy. It is literally impossible for God to lie, there is no corruption in him.. he is utterly complete & without flaw.
XoWaterzXo 1 hour ago
I lol'd when i saw "taken from wikipedia".
ProfeshenulRedneck 3 hours ago
@LeoTheGreater where is your evidence that Jesus lied? Humiliating yourself isn't a sin, nor is it a lie. Rude behavior isn't necessarily a sin- it's when the language is vulgar-- that's when it's a sin.
mynamestartswithaK 10 hours ago
Humans can lie? That's your $1000000 question? You owe me 1:30 minutes of my life back. Plus the time to write how stupid this is.
opt1jack1usa1 12 hours ago
G-d is infinite. Does not have parts. Just unity. Jesus was just a fake Massia. Regular human being that died.
theshockingtruth1 12 hours ago
only 3rd centrey christians and after have to deal with that pardox. 1 st centrey style christians dont have that god the son belife system.
rawbrutaltruth 15 hours ago
you got some statements inaccurate, it is not Christians or Christianity that believes Jesus was fully man & fully God. It is Christendom that believes that. There's a slight difference, use a dictionary.
In short, TRUE Christians (like those in the 1st century) believed in the same God the Jews believed in, Jehovah. Jesus was his son just as the bible says over and over. Simple really.
The Roman Catholic Church caused all the confusion. It's because they're part of Babylon the Great.
Uenbg 15 hours ago
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rawbrutaltruth 15 hours ago
i like your videos man.
DubbPeeh 15 hours ago
from the stuff that "I" read about "Jesus" he seemed like a pretty "F**K THE GOVERNMENT" type of guy, i mean they did murder him right? name me anyone who ever had a massive impact on the world as him who was ever aloud to live. and i dont think he "was" GOD" because if you do your reseearch "GOD" doesnt get you vary far, but i think that he was the "incarnation of the most high", an embodiment of the universal laws of truth & rightousness. bless.
DubbPeeh 15 hours ago
Of course He can, but He will not. Those are two different things. I suggest you find yourself a good inductive Bible study before going on with this nonsense. And for those who are saying Jesus was an atheist, no, He was a Jew.
CEMF100 15 hours ago
All this shows is ur limited understanding to spirituallity. Nice try tho
kanijavonjackson 15 hours ago
This is just a useless arguement.Pitting words together and natures does nothing .I don't waste my time trying to find contradictions ,etc etc . The spiritual phenomena of the world is much to big to argue against
goruby2 15 hours ago
do you feel happy now that you found this cause in the bibble it also said that he turned water in to wine if that is somthing a full human can do please let me know
jacobbrunberg 15 hours ago
@smitty221905 I am very sorry. You can't be involved in vicarious redemption or allow sin to be inherited and be considered a moral agency. Your ethical credibility is eroded by your proposition of these morally vacant ideas. Christianity fails on these two concepts alone.
yankinCanada 17 hours ago
Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the king of kings and lord of lords, Gods wrath on judgement day scares even the devil when he thinks on this truth! God have mercy on us all.
smitty221905 17 hours ago
Jesus is the key to all humanitys redemption, he did not come to condemn the world but to redeem the world. He was without sin and wasnt an aithiest he knew of his father God, why not read the word yourself? cause evil cant speak the name Jesus in love or question is why.
smitty221905 17 hours ago
@pjbrooks01 You tell lies to save lives too. Of course in this event you are choosing the best moral course. Lying is not always wrong and you knew this all along.
yankinCanada 17 hours ago
Jesus did not have to lie because He is/was the Truth = God's word. Whether He can or cannot is irrelevant because He did not, nor did He have to. Man tells lies to cover their ass or spare someone's feelings. Jesus owned every decision he ever made and was open and honest to all who encountered Him. He spoke truthfully and honestly to all, no matter how it made them feel. Jesus never lied. He as the Son of Man had the ability to do all, even lie, but why would He when He embodied the truth?
pjbrooks01 17 hours ago
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Jesus had lots of sins, all given him by others which is typically where sin comes from, from others. But as far as lying Jesus did that too. He also humiliated himself, was rebuked by a woman and subsequently apologized for his rude behaviour. Jesus was a common sense man. As far as the devil goes, there is no such animal except the Tasmanian Devil from down under. Biblical scripture shows you exactly when and how Jesus lied but I guess you haven't read that part yet.
cockalorum101 17 hours ago
@SIDZBABE He wasn't a regular human being. Remember?
yankinCanada 18 hours ago
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Jesus had lots of sins, all given him by others which is typically where sin comes from, from others. But as far as lying Jesus did that too. He also humiliated himself, was rebuked by a woman and subsequently apologized for his rude behaviour. Jesus was a common sense man. As far as the devil goes, there is no such animal except the
cockalorum101 18 hours ago
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LeoTheGreater 18 hours ago
One thing about Atheist girls, they are cute but a lot of them suck in bed. Just saying...
eenabebecho 19 hours ago
I see you quoted a lot of verses when backing up your statement, but you forgot about Philippians 2 where is talks about Christ covering up his deity (laying down his divine rights) to become human. He was God but he wasnt all knowing, all powerful, and he certainly wasnt present everywhere. because He layed down his attributes that made him God for a short time. His nature was still God but he did not posses the attributes of God.
bluemanyoman 20 hours ago
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LeoTheGreater 18 hours ago
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Most of the verses I quote I take from the words of Jesus, (presumably his words but not necessarily) not the words of others who were one or more generations removed and merely commented about their philosophy, I quoted and remarked purely on Jesus. From Acts onward have no words of Jesus only what others thought about it which at this time I offered my own bias without supernaturalism.
cockalorum101 18 hours ago
@bluemanyoman
I don't want to be mean spirited here but there are two points I will make about Philippians 2 you mentioned regarding the "(laying down his divine rights) to become human."
1. Whoever would tell you such a thing has religious rocks in his head
2. Whoever believes such a thing has religious rocks in his head.
You would be no common sense pal with Jesus if either point applied to you.
cockalorum101 17 hours ago
@cockalorum101 alright... so why is it, that when you quote the bible. its true and okay, but when i do it. I have rocks in my head.
bluemanyoman 26 minutes ago
i believe that jesus is not god, and cannot lie. if this gets 1000 likes, god liked this
ChicLawChick 20 hours ago
@juzme3165 Man cannot avoid sinning. Not one has ever succeeded.
yankinCanada 20 hours ago
@yankinCanada - Jesus did
SIDZBABE 18 hours ago
@SIDZBABE
Jesus did what?
cockalorum101 18 hours ago
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Why can't God lie? Why is it impossible for God to lie? Your presentation of humanity is also somewhat flawed;man can sin, but man can also not sin. So, to answer your question; Yes/No. God can choose to lie but by his very nature and very being he can not any more than you can choose to be a dog. Contextually the question lacks merit because it is based on a wrong understanding of the metaphysical "being" of both God and humanity.
juzme3165 21 hours ago
(Part 6) I will explain it this way. Imagine you were face to face with God. You would be surrounded by the Holy Presence of Light. That's all you would see.You would be able to 'sense' Him and He would fill all of your senses. Now, God will manifest Himself to come to talk to you face to face. Yahshua would be the form of God that would come to you and that you could look at and relate to. Out of the Light of God comes the form of God....Yahshua. Amen.
AvGodd1 22 hours ago
(Part 5) The Spirit of God in Yahshua, that perished not, rose from Hell, after taking the keys of Death from the Enemy, and recreated a New imperishable body of which He now lives in forever more. That manifestation of God lives INSIDE the Almighty Father as an intecessor and High Priest for man's sake.
God is a Spirit but He has a physical represetative in the person of Yahshua. When you see God, you see Yahshua, otherwise you cannot see God. He is invisible like the spirit of man is.
AvGodd1 22 hours ago
(Part 4) To sum it all: REAL Life is the Spirit of God in Man. It is the Holy Spirit of God that is the REAL animating force within man. Without it, you are like a flame that will expire when the fuel in flesh runs out. It was the Holy Spirit that animated the Christ. That Holy Spirit is without corruption. We have a spirit but it is corrupted and needs the Holy Spirit to purify and refine and redefine our being. The man of Yeshua perished on the Cross but the Spirit of God perished not. Glory!
AvGodd1 23 hours ago
( Part 3) The Holy Spirit of Yahshua was NEVER destroyed because it is that part of Him that Is God the Almighty and that is the answer to your question. The flesh was sacrificed. The Spirit was Eternal. Joh 10:17 '"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."
Life is Spirit.
AvGodd1 23 hours ago
(Part 2) God occupied the BEING of man... through the person of Yeshua the Messiah. You must look through spiritual eyes to understand spiritual things and if you are not willing to look through they eyes of understanding then you will NEVER be more than a walking dead person. The Holy Spirit of Yahoveh occupied the human flesh of a man...but only for a short time. The flesh was sacrificed and the Spirit Man, who was God, became a New Eternal Manifestation of God. (See part 3 )
AvGodd1 23 hours ago
To deflate your assertion, I will refute that the Hypostatic Union is the ONLY authority. It is ridiculous to assume that there is only ONE way to answer a question or that there is only ONE answer to a question. In the same way that water can manifest 3 different ways, God manifests Himself to man in 3 different ways. In the same way that man is more than just a 'brain' or 'flesh' but also an animate intelligence occupying the same space simutaneously, so God occupied the BEING of man through..
AvGodd1 23 hours ago
And finally Where does the Father live? IN HIS KINGDOM!
You can read it in Luke 17: 20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” THE KINGDOM OF GOD (THE FATHER) IS WITHIN YOU.
The clergy only teaches you about the supernatural gods of men which as we all know is called mythology.
cockalorum101 23 hours ago
And preferably just wake up right after the collection plate passed by. But when Jesus got up, they were all ears to wonder what amazing thing he'd say next. Jesus and I and the Father are one, and that is one of the simplest things to understand, and it is easy to him who has understanding. Has nothing to do with ego, has nothing to do with blasphemy, it has only to do with your understanding that Jesus knew he was a microcosom of the whole human race by simply looking inside seeing the father.
cockalorum101 23 hours ago
As a footnote just remember Jesus never had the New Testament Bible, not because he didn't like it, he just never had it. The only bible Jesus ever had in his hand was the Old Testament scriptures but when Jesus read and explained the scriptures, EVERYONE was on the edge of his seat wondering what AMZING thing he would say next because he taught them as one having authority, not like the preachers. When the preachers got up everyone curled up and went for a quiet doze until the benediction. lol
cockalorum101 23 hours ago
This is very ignorant and I'm pretty sure you stole it from an old episode of star trek.
shinobi1kenobi75 1 day ago
First, I'm an Atheist. Secondly, your vid/logic/question can be answered. Not all Christin religions believe that Jesus and god are one and the same. Or that god came to earth as a man. Granted most do, but Jehovahs Witnesses don't. They believe Jesus was sent to earth by god...that Jesus was his first son....first creation. That Jesus was a perfect man, the second Adam. Just a little FYI for you. And yes, I studied with the JW's for a few years.
freebird112863 1 day ago
Your error is found in your incorrect assumption. You call Jesus man as in human and that which is created by God but Jesus was not created but is God the Creator who took off His immortal form and put on mortality and the form of man. So was Jesus totally mortal? Yes. But was Jesus a man (as in, something created) No. God is Spirit, this Spirit is TRUTH displaying LOVE and Jesus is TRUTH and LOVE (God) appearing in mortal flesh as man appears but risen in immortal flesh as God stands visible.
EdOfTheNorth 1 day ago
He can lie, like a human. But he doesn't, like a god.....BLOWN
ShadyGriffin 1 day ago
@cockalorum101 I challenge that you are not an atheist. Zealotry is never flattering, especially to the self.
ChristianJHenderson 1 day ago
This video is basing its entire presentation on one tiny lil (actually large gaping) premise: that is the human nature of all mankind since Genesis 3 is the same human nature that Jesus had. Since DeceptiveEvangelist is using his big boy churchy words like hypostatic union that I assume he is theologically astute enough to know the answer lies in Genesis 2:9 thru 3:15
syntex2902 1 day ago
God can lie, because there are multiple points in the bible where he contradicts his own word
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
^ being just one example
shimushi64 1 day ago
Hell in itself is a ridiculous notion. how are you supposed to feel pain without a body? no pain receptors, or nerves to send the signals to your brain. oh yeah, no brain to interpret the pain. no consciousness can exist without a brain of some sort, and when you die... you well, um... die... your body stops working, and you cease to exist. good luck hurting me in a flaming world i can't see/hear/smell/taste/feel, or think about...
shimushi64 1 day ago
I'm atheist. and a Christian threatening me with hell is exactly like a hippie threatening to punch me in the aura...
shimushi64 1 day ago
"Taken from wikipedia" Yeah that throws a seal of trustworthiness on your video.
sv87hockey 1 day ago
Wow, it could only be a child's mind to ask a question so loaded as that. Could Jesus lie? Of course he could, if He so choose to. If Jesus was not capable of sinning, what would have been the purpose of Him giving His life, you fool. He lived to fulfill the law because man could not. Christ is fully God. Can a general of an army be a father, a son a brother, a husband, of course he can. Just as Jesus can be both the Father and the Son. You are stupid. Can the fastest runner lose a race?
crustydownunder 1 day ago
Time to pull the vid and cancel your acct. Ignorance at utubes best..
h2omanz 1 day ago
Bogus question based on a false premise: Jesus' "humanness" does not refer to his nature, as you present, but rather his physicality. He did not have a sinful nature because that the human (fallen) nature is passed down from generation to generation through the father. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (God), not Joseph (human). Nice try though.
DricBlitz 1 day ago 2
Paradox
Tuckmeister44 1 day ago
Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man. How? Jesus endured all of the sufferings of mankind, in totality, while resricting his own use of his omnipotence on Earth to helping others. Jesus was presented with the opportunity to sin (temptation-Matthew 4:1-11), but in his humanity, resisted sin. In short, the answer to the question in the video is fully man, yes, he was able to lie. BUT, because he was also fully God, Jesus was unable to fail at resisting temptation.Read the Bible not wikipedia
Zepheix 1 day ago 2
lol, so let me get this straight. You want us to answer these two questions in absolutes? This ideaology is sith like in nature. Secondly, God created us in his image, and this is a contradictory statement because once the forbidden fruit was consumed man then became God like ( Self aware). To compare one self to The Most High is entirely good. Segmenting the bible is deceptive and in order to allowing no room for rational thought.
kenjiro2004 1 day ago
Why do ppl care so much what other ppl think or believe in? Maybe worry about what you believe in and research everything you can so your assumption on life is the best one you can have. Trying to debunk someones understanding of a book is getting old.
tamer1236 1 day ago
@tamer1236 When someone believes that the person they are talking to is going to spend an eternity in 'hell' then they try their hardest to correct them in order to save them from an eternity of pain. Christians debate out of love (although sometimes people get under their skin).
sv87hockey 1 day ago
Can you show me where that is in a kjv bible?
tamer1236 1 day ago
Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Because Jesus was an atheist and the religious wingnuts of his day sought to imprison him, throw him over cliffs, stone him, whip him, beat him, mock him and crucify him, which is no different than religious wingnuts do today to atheists and gays alike, especially in Muslim countries
cockalorum101 1 day ago 9
@cockalorum101 "Jesus was an atheist"
Do you have evidence to back up that claim? Or are you just another Liar.
mailingshaun 1 day ago
@cockalorum101 How was Jesus an Atheist?
bluemanyoman 20 hours ago
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LeoTheGreater 18 hours ago
@bluemanyoman
Most people who quote the bible quote everyone except Jesus I always found that rather suspicious.
cockalorum101 18 hours ago
@cockalorum101 Atheism The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs makes perfect sense.
Jbeezyburr 14 hours ago
Jesus may have been a Jew by birth but he was an Atheist by choice; that's why they tried to kill him. He did not try to "fix" religion because religion was as unfixable then_ as it is unfixable today, the entire religious Laws were corrupted because the Status Quo did not understand how to practice the Law. The punitive Mosaic Law of Revenge, eye for an eye, was not fixable; it was replaced by its correct fulfillment by Jesus, Universal Laws: Forgiveness, Compassion and Love.
cockalorum101 1 day ago 8
@cockalorum101 Surely you are an idiot? Do you really think anyone would take your mumblings seriously? You make no logical argument. Jesus taught from the scriptures every chance He got, and He knew them well. To say Jesus was an atheist, when He clearly told everyone who He was, is lunacy. You should seek help, fast.
Why do they let dumb asses on the internet.
crustydownunder 1 day ago
@crustydownunder
I quote from the scriptures just like Jesus and I know them well. I am an atheist, Jesus was an atheist, Jesus and I are one. As previously queried: "Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE!" Jesus clearly was tagged by a society brainwashed by the clergy deceivers, like yourself, with the supernatural, magic and miracles. Jesus debunked the supernatural. You are a regurgitating minion without common sense.
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@crustydownunder
Why do they allow such dumb ass idiots like you on the internet who can't think for themselves but have to regurgitate nonsense? Well that's simple, you are a brainwashed religious whackoist fully deceived by what the clergy(who Jesus hated and who hated Jesus because he taught them the truth about scriptures as I do myself) tells you and all like minded twirps without the common sense to discard ludicrous statements about angels, demons, poof poof magic, and OMG, God Myths.
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@cockalorum101 This is a new one to me. Ok, so Jesus didn't endorse any religion, but what makes you think he was an Atheist?
freebird112863 1 day ago
@freebird112863
Yes I am an atheist.
Well this is not a claim made lightly but thanks for not pre-empting my answer with derision as so many religionists and others do.
There are a number of reasons not the least is the fact that Jesus hated religion, hated the church and hated the clergy, hated the pretense of prayer, and hated the rituals and the show off pomp for the accolades of men.
The clergy of the day had the people bamboozled with the supernatural and everything that happened...
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@freebird112863
......the clergy could not understand or fabricated without reason, they attributed to the supernatural finger of God. Such things as famine survivors were attributed to God and physical healings also they attributed to God but Jesus did not buy into the myths, magic and supernatural because he had too much common sense for them. On several occasions Jesus debunked the supernatural, the God thing as it were and further incurred the wrath of the clergy. They hated him ......
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@freebird112863
....so much because Jesus interpreted scriptures perfectly, For example he offers the clergy two instances where he debunked the god myth supernatural being given credit for some things: Luke 4: 25-30 says about the famine and who Elijah went to, to help and again there were lots of lepers but the prophet Elisha cured no one but Naaman the Syrian whereby all those in the synagogue were filled with wrath and wanted to throw him over the cliff.
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@freebird112863
In addition Jesus always referred to the Conscience, the Self Witness as the Father we all have inside: the memory of brain that teaches us by experience, reason and logic so we may have that Good Gosh, Holy Spirit to guide us through life. Jesus had out-of-the-ordinary common sense and so the masses called him the son of god, a label he neither sought, endorsed or accepted unlike the hoaxster clergy who were and are always......
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@freebird112863
....willing, ready and able to proclaim themselves prophets having unique powers and medium skills with the myths of imagination. Yet people today still accept their blessed miracle water in ketchup packages and send in their money, willingly.
When the Pharisees asked Jesus if he was the son of god his pat answer was always. "Thou sayest it"; in other words, it is you who say it as we do today when people call us names.."That's what you say" (sarcasm)
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@freebird112863
When Pilate kept asking him at trial "Are you the King of the Jews"?. What did Jesus reply, "It is as you say"; in other words: Jesus knew that whatever they wanted to say about him that's what the label would be, so he never conformed the label, just acknowledged that whatever they said that was what it was, they were in the seats of power. After he stated that he remained silent and would answer them nothing because he knew it was useless! Same thing when he went before Herod
cockalorum101 1 day ago
@cockalorum101 How can you say that Jesus is an atheist You must not have a Bible. Jesus never denied God and he came to establish a church that can not be corrupted. That church is in our hearts when we accept his will and give up our own shallow desires. I bet if you ask, someone will give you a Bible. Good luck
shinobi1kenobi75 1 day ago
@shinobi1kenobi75
I know the bible as well as Jesus knew the bible and everything he quoted and explained had meaning that went right over the top of your head as it went over the top of the heads of all the clergy in that time and today is no different. I understand and therefore know the bible better than you know the back of your hand. All I hear from religionists are the hackneyed expressions that are so tiresome and repetitious and frankly a bunch of hogwash. I can easily challenge you.
cockalorum101 23 hours ago
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WORTH A RPRINT FOR SURE:
It is easy as child's play to know that Jesus hated religion and everything religion stands for: the hypocrisy, the pretense, the devouring of widow's property, the lengthy show of prayers, the rituals, the greetings, the highest seats, the_ supernatural caca del toro, the building of tombs, decorating graves. Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Jesus was an atheist.
cockalorum101 1 day ago 9
God can not lie that video was really dumb! You got this all mess up
HolyShenanigans2014 1 day ago
XD nice try but you have to think harder, I agree about "always question your faith" some christians can believe some very stupid stuff, but I would also recommend you to fully understand why Jesus was 100% God and 100% Human before "debunking" it with such a limited analysis, most probable thing here is that your brain can only solve "formal problems" right now, if you open your mind enough you might start thinking like the big boys ;)
BorredChimera 1 day ago
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Wow you think that's a brilliant question? Now since I'm asuming you're Muslim, let me ask you where in the Hebrew bible does God allow a 50 year old man to marry a pre-puberty, underage girl and much less by a 50 year old man? By today's standards that'd make any man instead of a "prophet" a child molester. Furthermore he himself said at first his words were not from God and changed his tune which if you read also in the Hebrew bible that if anyone comes in the name of God...
webm22 1 day ago
That if someone comes in the name of God saying they're a prophet and what the say doesn't come true then they're FALSE prophets and must be stoned. So since he admitted at first he was wrong what does that make him? If you're really sincere about finding the truth you must admit this religion is false and seek God with a clean and sincere heart.
webm22 1 day ago
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webm22 1 day ago
The doctrine of Yahusha (Jesus Christ to some) was based on Wikipedia facts? This is news to me. I guess I am just an unlearned believer who uses the papyrus based texts known as the Bible. I am not sure (because I don't judge or condemn others because Yahusha told me not to in the scriptures) but I don't think many of the "elect" base their beliefs on Wikipedia my learned brother. Sorry but...FAIL.
NotOfThisWorld567 1 day ago
Jesus is not God you dumbass. Jesus is a angel sent by God to teach people about God. Jesus was not fully Human or God.
iRUNgta4 1 day ago
Your video reminds me of the clueless math student who multiplies both sides of an equation by zero & thinks he's solved it.
Here's a big hint for you: Theologians would stop reading at the point where you believed that sin would be the determinant of Jesus' humanity. By your "logic", Adam&Eve were not human until they sinned. Big fail on that one.
I'm a retired R.S. prof who taught at universities in both USA & UK. But Sunday School would be enough to debunk you..
Face-palm says it all.
verysincere 1 day ago 4
I would suggest to you exactly what I've recommended to anti-evolution Christians: "If you are so certain that you have made an incredible discovery, submit it to a peer-reviewed journal, win the accolades of scholars throughout the world, and go down in history for your amazing analytical skills which exceed those of academics who have spent a lifetime on such topics."
Indeed, you & they have far more in common than you think. Check out Kruger-Dunning effect. You're an illustration of it.
verysincere 1 day ago
I'm curious: Do you also think it "illogical" for a beam of light to exhibit the properties of both waves and particles at the same time? (Perhaps I should construct a table for you.)
verysincere 1 day ago 2
Don't try and justify yourself by confusing how he came to earth. Being born a man made him just as frail as we are, with the same temptations as we face yet remained without sin.
Chasealdridge1978 1 day ago 2
The point was that he could and didn't. His perfection on earth wasn't easy but was necessary for us to have a perfect individual to die our death and stand before the Father. He stands perfect and represents us as flawed, imperfect individuals. Only someone perfect can stand before a holy God and make a case to let us enter in to a holy place. If you don't believe, you will still have to stand before God and He will Judge you for your imperfection. Can you stand alone or will you need Jesus?
Chasealdridge1978 1 day ago 2
Why would anyone search for a reason for the grave to be the end? Cease to exist? No point to life? Freak accident of nature? Not normal? Why raise a kid for him only to suffer death and be erased from existence? Why do anything?
DanielGlock26 1 day ago
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , "Why have you made me like this?" (Romans 9:20 NKJV)
DanielGlock26 1 day ago
He did not lie. Just because humans can lie you think that proves he did??? really? humans can murder, humans can steal humans can comit adultery(thats taking yyour friends girl). Just because humans can lie and all that you think that proves christ lied? why?
modernrocks 1 day ago
@MissKittyFantasm You must be confused, I read the and follow the word of God the best I can, I do not go to a place to HEAR the word of God preached where there are priests, I never said unbelievers don't have morals, but where do you get them from??
DanielGlock26 1 day ago
@bohilas also, i don't say that i have the proof you are looking for, and that it comes in a book. so check yourself, read my words closely, and don't push your bias onto me because you don't know anything about me but what i say. i only want you to accept that its ok for people like me, who have had and still pursue real experiences w a higher state of being to do so, even though i can't give you proof for it. religion does not hurt people, people hurt people.
007lamiss 1 day ago
@MissKittyFantasm i'm glad you mention your personal experience, because many ppl commenting aren't taking PERSONAL experience into consideration. we need to move beyond personal experience on both sides of the argument so that we don't limit either side. no one should push anything on others- only have open, engaging, and respectful discussion. it's clear that not all atheists are the nice and considerate ones that you have interacted with.
007lamiss 1 day ago
@bohilas this is what i have a problem w-- u have ur own understanding of what you think a christian or a religious person is, so you say that it is stupid or irrational and causes problems. however, you refuse to take into account that not everyone fits into your box, and that plenty of religious ppl believe that love and god span all religions because true love is god an is all encompassing, and only waits for ppl to seek it. you are offensive, i love my muslim bf and all my brothers & sisters
007lamiss 1 day ago
The logic of this video is flawed. The chart says "Man can lie" not "Man must lie". So, one can be human and not lie. It is only that God cannot be God and lie. So, Jesus was fully human, yet did not lie.
ClairEliz85 2 days ago
If God wants us all to believe, why does he allow Atheists?
MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
I actually think you can easily avoid this question by saying that God could "lie" in the sense of speaking an untruth if He wanted to but "cannot lie" according to the Bible because it literally means "He does not lie".
Or you can say that God is the essence of the universe, a pantheistic idea, or that everything exists in the mind of God; there are dozens if not hundreds of metaphysical and rhetorical ways around this question.
boleroinferno 2 days ago
There no greater or more noble a purpose than this, that the people be governed, by a Ruler that reigns like rain and shines like sun, for both fall on everyone equally, as it should be. THAT, is how kings must rule the people. The King's favour like the gods he worships, must reach Everything, and Everybody, Everywhere on Earth. Amen.
GalileoTheGreater 2 days ago
uhh yeah he was human when he came to earth, and he was the son of god which stilll does make him very powerful. key word WAS. retard...
TechnoManiac24 2 days ago
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It is easy as child's play to know that Jesus hated religion and everything religion stands for: the hypocrisy, the pretense, the devouring of widow's property, the lengthy show of prayers, the rituals, the greetings, the highest seats, the_ supernatural caca del toro, the building of tombs, decorating graves. Tell me what part of Religion, the Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Jesus was an atheist
GalileoTheGreater 2 days ago
the question i have is ..how could cain and able marry others if there were no others around??
johncat3 2 days ago
This is an interesting, albeit slanted and incomplete, video addressing what seems to be a fundamental problem with Christian doctrine. If we define and limit our terms to what the video presents then the answer provided by AA Champ satisfactorily answers this seeming conundrum. However, instead of asking the question “Can Jesus lie” let’s ask what the spirit of that question is “Can/could/would/does Jesus have the CAPACITY (ie nature) to sin (lie, cheat, steal, lust, covet, etc)?
syntex2902 2 days ago
SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION THAT ALL CHRISTIANS REFUSE TO ANSWER:
How does the bible prove anything and how can you prove it is in fact the word of God?
Nickkyyy17 2 days ago
@Nickkyyy17
The only way to read the bible is to delete every reference to the supernatural and magic. The supernatural does not exist and magic as we know(except children and religious theotards) is sleight of hand and illusion. Otherwise the bible is a hand-me-down-accounts of the record of mankind as far back as memory allows and any further back than that is based purely on imagination. If I asked you to come up with a story how the world began, well. what would it be? Da Daa the Bible!
GalileoTheGreater 2 days ago
@GalileoTheGreater Lol not really what I was getting at, but I like your response.
Nickkyyy17 1 day ago
jesus didn't sin, was tempted but never fell to it, bible was written by people who said god can't lie, if god can do anything, he can lie but he choses not to, jesus lived a perfect life even though he easlily could have not. Is this considered answered? (Call the grammar police
ThatCrazyBrownGuy 2 days ago
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Nickkyyy17 2 days ago
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
As for Jesus, He was the WORD and the WORD was God.
PantheraAtrox 2 days ago
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Nickkyyy17 2 days ago
Mayans and many other Natives believe in many GODS...and none were Jesus...then some men who did believe In Jesus came accross the water and tried to convert them..When these native people chose not to..They went to war and killed many Natives with guns, Raped there women and spread nasty dieases through the air that killed half of them...And these people believed in Jesus...Some religon right?????
hooleemack 2 days ago
@hooleemack yup, religious wars have religious peoples on both sides, no atheists there...
MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
i KNOW there's a god. And WHERE heaven is at.I have had? (VISIONS) of god , and have had witnesses who are still living today who saw this. All you islamists and other over - the top religious groups , you may come and kill me if you wish , i will not put up a fight and i don't want anyone to die for me , as do any real followers of the fish. (remember the roman arenas) If you want to hear my explanation , go to my youtube username channel.
kevin347lee 2 days ago
@kevin347lee christianity comes through as one of humanity's most ignorant religoins..... living their life by a book that was written 2000 years ago that has two thousand year old ideals that are shifted from the view of comtemporary christianity. why? Because society has uprooted the ridiculous christian ideals.
SmileyPsycho1 2 days ago
According to God's NEW MESSAGE for humanity, Jesus is an Angel incarnated as human. sent by God, and then came Mohammed, he was the last messenger who brought a complete new understanding to humanity.
All previous messages have been changed and abused by people, this always happens when a pure message is given to an impure world.
NEWMESSAGE(.ORG)
worldwiderelease 2 days ago
@worldwiderelease then why is there not only ONE monotheistic religoun and why do people still worship hindu gods, whose believers all claim the power of prayer for THEIR god or gods?
SmileyPsycho1 2 days ago
@SmileyPsycho1 There is of course one God and one religion in essence. the form it takes is just the outside.Only at different times and circumstances certain messages were needed and delivered to bring about change,the outcome is on humanity, we have to respond and take responsibility to become activated by God's calling.Many things have been added to any holy scriptures Bible. Koran,& Vedic scriptures, I gave them away because the changes are too bad.There is a pure message now.NEWMESSAGE(.org
worldwiderelease 2 days ago
GOD HAS SPOKEN AGAIN.
SEE WHO WILL RECOGNIZE A REAL MESSAGE FROM GOD. IT MIGHT NOT MEET ONE'S EXPECTATIONS.
NEWMESSAGE (.ORG)
worldwiderelease 3 days ago
Put an end to all of the guilt that you hold inside from the choices that you have made. Start life over with the slate wiped clean. Moreover, ask God for eternal forgiveness through applying the death and resurrection of Jesus to your life of sin within the quietness of your bedroom tonight. As an unrepentant sinner myself, I made this decision around 15 years ago. This is the most important decision that you could ever make. - Romans 10:9-10
paularenas26 3 days ago
@SamuelJCir
Can u describe to me how god or what god looks like?
dollazstarr 3 days ago
um, are you serious? Jesus came in the form of a man, he didnt have a father. we inherit our sin from adam. its not humanity that is wrong, its the sin nature in humanity. wow i thought that would be obvious.
we are created in the image of god who must look like a man. duh. im pretty sure jesus was just fine in a human body without sin nature, when jesus died he took all humanitys sin upon himself and went to hell for 3 days, he rose from the dead and preached for a few months then was raptured.
SamuelJCir 3 days ago
@SamuelJCir or, God gave you sin, and now will to punish you all in the fires of hell for eternity unless you worship him and repent... He corrupted you to control you with the promise of removing the blemish he placed on you in the first place. another cult if ever there was...
MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
You start off by a false premise - Wikipedia. Start with the scriptures.
senses2000 3 days ago
You have debunked NOTHING, only shown that you lack wisdom to understand that which is written and found in the Word of God....but I do agree in one point. Many who claim to be Christian do not understand what is TRULY written either, because of false teachings and the corrupt church doctrines of men.
RememberPaulRevere 3 days ago
A Merciful High Priest
KJV bible see Heb 2:14-18 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil. 16) For..He took not on Him the nature of angels, but...the seed of Abraham.17)...it behoved Him to be made like His brethren...18) for in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
RememberPaulRevere 3 days ago
To understand who Jesus Christ was, understand Matt 1:23 Emmanuel-God with us. I Cor 15 the different bodies; John 1:1-14 The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY begotten of the Father,full of grace and truth.
Jesus tells us Flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit. He did not come in the flesh to be worshiped but as Saviour of the World, thru His willing sacrifice for our sins on the cross, that by faith and repentance we may have eternal life.
RememberPaulRevere 3 days ago
If Jesus was God then he could be God in human form but this does not mean that he has humanities character but still has Gods character.
ZeusHelios 3 days ago
AAchamp7 gives a good answer. But here is another. Assuming Christ was not God. Like Adam he was made perfect. But unlike Adam transgressed Jesus did not. Jesus been man could have sinned or lied but chose not to. Jesus proved therefore that we can be human and do the will of God and not sin or lie.. If Jesus was God in the flesh. Then he could not have lied. Therefore he was God in human form so that men ccould behold him. The term man could be humanities charactor or man in his form?
ZeusHelios 3 days ago
@Shei77 yeah i don't support any of those things you just said, including pushing my religion on any one- including you. i'm just trying to make you see that atheism can be forcibly and rudely pushed on others, and can just as easily brain wash people into believing it without reflection. also, i have a more expansive view of all religions that allows me to not dismiss or degrade them as fiction. thanks for pushing your assumptions on me. i'm clearly not the bigot you want me to be. sorry.
007lamiss 3 days ago
@007lamiss I have never had an atheist try to convert me in my life. From personal experience, most atheists react to the attempted indoctrination from religious people with no tolerance for any other belief or non-belief.
MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
@Shei77 indoctrinating children? Most of our laws and moral laws come from the bible, do you believe in anarchy and a world of chaos? If your an atheist, morally there is nothing wrong with raping or murder, what proof do you have of morals? Guess they don't exist, YOU are the ones who need to stop INDOCTRINATING OUR children!
DanielGlock26 3 days ago
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MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
What a load of rubbish. It stated that He was made flesh, but without sin. This isn't no shock question. For someone who doesn't understand the Bible yes, but for a true believe certainly not. It's just plain stupid.
NBSStudioUK 3 days ago
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Perhaps one question can answer another. Since human words cannot describe the greatness of God, how can humans claim to analyze God? If God chose the Holy Trinity as a component of his existence, who are we to judge God's choices or question the rationality of His choices? Can we as humans expect to understand Him? I think not.
unmundounido 3 days ago
"For those who believe no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible". I love and Trust in Him and that suffices for me. Peace be with you all- Salam Alaikum.
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unmundounido 3 days ago
This isn't self contradictory at all I know I can lie I have the ability to think for my actions and do what I please I was granted with that right and I am a fully born Christ Follower, Jesus cannot lie because he was created by the GOD of the Heaven and of earth which means he is the divine son of GOD But brought into the world by Mary a human which makes him GOD in image and Son of woman which is man
findawayaway 3 days ago
Man, that was really sad. If I was the head atheist, I wouldn't claim to know this guy. That was pathetic.
TucoGBandU 3 days ago
Atheists believe what you want. Your not forced to do anything. You are free to do anything. Just how God is free do anything. He chooses not to. Thats what it means when that bible states that God cannot lie.
AAchamp7 3 days ago
Also, is being able to lie a requirement for being human? According to most doctors, I'd say not. I'd say having a physical body and being able to sustain life within that body makes him human. We see his human side when he was hungry and tempted by Satan.
thatjudekid 3 days ago
Bahahahaa, lost all credibility at "taken from Wikipedia"
thatjudekid 3 days ago
He might could have, but He didn't.
wvplus10 3 days ago
As a fellow atheist, I'm sorry to say that this question is just ignorant. There are really only 2 outcomes of this question. The first being that a knowledgable Christian will be able to destroy your question, and a stupid Christian simply won't care. There's pretty much no single question that can destroy anyone's faith in a religion. The best you can hope for is to ask questions that will spark their curiosity and get them questioning their faith. If you can't get that, then it's hopeless.
Galahad747 3 days ago
You do not understand.Jesus was a sinless human.Sinful, fallen humans do lie, but a sinless human cannot. Jesus was born without sin, so that he could take our sins upon Himself so that we would not have to suffer the penalty for those sins. By allowing Him to take our sins, and accepting that substitution, we can be restored to God and spiritual sinlessness (although not fleshly sinlessness) as our body is corrupt. We will get new sinless bodies to match our sinless spirit at the resurrection.
conniemaew 3 days ago
@conniemaew (If this being actually existed) I didn't give him permission to 'take' my sins, under what permission did he do this for me or anyone living now?
MissKittyFantasm 2 days ago
@MissKittyFantasm Wow, sorry you don't appreciate such a great love for you. He didn't take your sins yet.He took the punishment for your sins so you don't have to but you're under no obligation to accept it. You can suffer for your own sins if you choose. Personally knowing that someone loves me so much to have died in my place, taking the awful punishment I deserve, I'm eternally grateful that he did & I joyfully accept his gift, freely given. Sorry you feel that way.
conniemaew 2 days ago
@MissKittyFantasm I assume you dont care... But he made us, because he loves us, we messed up and cant fix it. He became a man lived the life we should have lived honest and sinless, he gave up his first place and his life, so we can be with him when we die. He doesnt need permission if he made you, its all up to you if you want to live or you want to die, Thats what the book says anyway. Just sayin.
modernrocks 1 day ago
There are humans who cannot lie. Lie is not a proof that someone is human.
algi80 3 days ago
Found this just now on a good web page for @SudanCarib "To travel into the world of the Christian mystic, one must discard concepts such as ego, pride and spiritual materialism in favor of adopting a sense of humility and hopeful expectation. It is to begin a great and stirring adventure that moves the soul from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of God."
007lamiss 4 days ago
Most sects of those who follow th God of Abraham do not abhear to scripture totally but observe false doctrine that came from men and not God
Using this kind of info to discredit the bible does not prove or disprove anything True Christains already know how modern Christainity is false and mixed with paganism
Babylon is the whole world around us Confussion is ramped. It will not be long before
all false ideas are revealed for what they are
the-end.com
Psa 14:1 . Only a fool says there is no God
stevebnns 4 days ago 3